Did a quick search and didn't see these posted...It's an incredible fight sequence between Final Fantasy and Dead or Alive characters.. The HD versions have just been released and here they are!

Part 1 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26450.html)

Part 2 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32364.html)

Nothing like taking 4 franchises, and making a fanfic that ruins them.

There isn't anything "mindblowing" about this video.

Bloody hell Swami. I havent seen you reply to a post like that ever before. Something wrong?? :p

Nothing like taking 4 franchises, and making a fanfic that ruins them.

There isn't anything "mindblowing" about this video.


Please man, you take things way too seriously... It's not like this has a real storyline or dialogue that perverts the FF series (like the Kingdom Hearts games etc). This is just a bunch of solid fighting with good choreography. Relax and enjoy.

Don't give me that shit, that video is nothing more than someone taking female characters from 4 different franchises and putting them into an over-the-top fight. I'll admit, part one was not so bad, but when I saw part two that's when I was hit with the disgust. It's too drawn out and apparently there's a part 3 coming soon. So this is going to be basically a 30 minute fight scene. Overkill much? If they would have stopped with part one it would be fine, but the addition of bullshit in part 2 was just nonsense and ruined everything. Last I checked DOA characters didn't use fireballs, nor did Kairi emulate Sora/Roxas, amongst other bullshit.

This fanfic butchered 4 franchises.

Frickin' sw33t!!!!1111!!!!111!!!11!11!11!!1111!oneoneone

You take it too seriously. So what if those DOA characters got some new abilities? Narrow-minded fools like you cannot appreciate a little fun.

It's a fucking fanfic thing. Who cares?

It's a fucking fanfic thing. Who cares?

Fanboys and fangirls do. Then again, who cares about them?

I don't think any of you here can do the job that guy did.

Fanboyism or not, the work that this guy did is quite good.

Why must you be such morons about all of it?



Noskillbassist, you're still true to yourself here by being a hateful ass. Either find yourself a girl, or start smoking weed. Might help you chill out that overheating brain cell of yours.

I have a girl and I can't find weed (which is strange since I'm in California).

Just curious, what is it to you if I'm a general pessimist?

I don't think any of you here can do the job that guy did.

Fanboyism or not, the work that this guy did is quite good.

Why must you be such morons about all of it?

I bet if I took an intro to computer animation class I could learn how to reskin animations that I stole from a bunch of different games too.

Then why don't you try? Pretentions won't get you far here.




Just curious, what is it to you if I'm a general pessimist?

You shoving it down our throats in each of your worthless comments. I'm an optimist, and I'm still waiting for the day you'll start posting constructive or at least respectful comments about things you might not like as much as the person you're replying to.

Yuna reminded me of Dante, wasting bullets like that! And Rinoa of Xena :-P

But it was entertaining, although a bit @%@#ed up!!!

Then why don't you try? Pretentions won't get you far here.

What do you mean by that? I'm not trying to get "far" anywhere, if you mean here as in the forums where I'm pretty happy. If you mean "here" as in the conversation, then you obviously missed my point.
The guy made some mediocre skins and models stole some character models and applied a shit load of stolen animations, added a shitty setting and made one of the most generic, boring fight scenes I've ever seen. Why would I want to emulate it? It's plagarism.

If he had animated the whole thing himself without stealing practically every single animation from something else, then it'd be impressive - still extremely dull and boring, but at least impressive that he did that. As it stands, however, it's just fanboy plagarism to the extreme and he should not be appluaded for that.


Edit: Turns out I was giving him more credit than he deserved.

Using whatever animations from wherever he wants doesn't refute my point about everyone here not being able to do such thing.

And since we're talking about fan projects, all of them are plagiarism if we use your logic. They all take their bases on an existing product.



It's like you'd call the many Street Fighter vs Mortal Kombat animations plagiarism because they use the animation models from both respective games.

You shoving it down our throats in each of your worthless comments. I'm an optimist, and I'm still waiting for the day you'll start posting constructive or at least respectful comments about things you might not like as much as the person you're replying to.

The hell are you talking about? I never once said "if you disagree with me you're wrong." If it seems that way, get over it. Also, I'd have given a more "constructive and respectful" post if the OP hadn't over-hyped this debauchery of a video. Calling it "amazing" and "mindblowing" when the idea is boring and ovedone. I posted earlier that I thought the first one was okay but it was quickly ruined by the second part, which more than doubled in length compared to part one.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, get your head out of your ass, Hynad.

Calling it "amazing" and "mindblowing" when the idea is boring and ovedone.


You say you don't pretend his opinion is wrong... But then you suggest that he is by saying it is boring and overdone, when he thinks it is amazing and mindblowing.

Maybe one day, you'll realise the one with the head in his butt is none other than you, Swami.

So you're going to try and tell me over the top fight scenes are original?

'Kay.

The sequence is quite old, and was "original" back when it was first created.
In any case, I don't think it is mindblowing or amazing either. There isn't much things that make me choose these words to describe them. At the same time, I think the guy did a nice job with what was available to him.

Just a thought... Do you give the same treatment to your "girl" or do you just come here to get revenge for the frustrations that your daily submission to your girl provides you?

Wow Hynad, stooping to a rather lame personal attack. What's next? A generic stab at my childhood?

You're pathetic.

Did I touch a sensible spot?

If you didn't manage to read, I did pointed out it was just a thought.;-)

No, you didn't, sorry to disappoint you. And just because it was a thought doesn't mean you weren't implying anything.

Since you have no real argument in regards to the topic, I'm done here.

EDIT: Wtf? Accidental double post.

:smrt:

STOP TROLLING, HYNAD

LMAO

There isn't anything "mindblowing" about this video.

I'd like to see you do better.

I was just about to type the same thing.

And as Hynad has CLEARLY stated; it was the OP's personal opinion that he thought it was full of both awesomeness and sweetness. I tried to watch them, but my browser keeps freezing when the video is loading up. I don't understand what it is with some of the members here. One person states his opinion about something, then someone who's opinion is the exact opposite goes the whole nine yards to say "You're fucking stupid because you think it's cool and I think it's not!". Can we all stop acting like eight year olds fighting over who gets the front seat?

IDX, try the standard definition versions. They don't look as good, but may load better on your computer.

http://montyoum.gametrailers.com/gamepad/index.php?action=viewblog&id=173883
http://montyoum.gametrailers.com/gamepad/index.php?action=viewblog&id=270168

Using whatever animations from wherever he wants doesn't refute my point about everyone here not being able to do such thing.

And since we're talking about fan projects, all of them are plagiarism if we use your logic. They all take their bases on an existing product.

My point is that he isn't that amazingly skilled. He's pretty okay at putting animations together, sure. I truly believe that anybody, with the same tools, could create something just as good with a little know how and practice. I do not have the know how, tools, nor the practice, and espeically not the will to create such dull videos, so saying I wouldn't make one is beside the point.

Anyone, with the right tools and a bit of know how can make, for instance, a shitty techno remix of a song, but does that mean they should be applauded? Just as there are people who might enjoy it, heaven's knows why, there will be people who see it as generic tripe and treat it that way.

The issue is further worsened when the so called "artist" is stealing his animations and models from things and doesn't give them credit. If he flat out said "I took the animations for this video from Virtua Fighter, Tekken, etc. etc." and listed out everything he stole from, then it would be okay. Instead, he made no such effort, and attempted to pass off other people's hard work as his own. That's plagarism. That's despicable.

I wouldn't have even come into the thread to voice my opinion about the video. If it was made without all the deceit, it'd just be a boring, generic fight scene. However, what we actually have is a asshole stealing other people's work and trying to get credit for it, so I had to bring it up in case some people didn't realize that the vast majority of the content isn't original.




It's like you'd call the many Street Fighter vs Mortal Kombat animations plagiarism because they use the animation models from both respective games.

No idea what you're talking about, but I'd imagine they make it pretty obvious that it's just the basic Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat animations used against each other? They don't make any claims to getting the sprites "they made" just right, and they probably don't claim anything about the animations and sprites being "ORIGINAL CONTENT RESPECT ME" and are instead very honest and true to what they are. I could be wrong, since I truly don't know what you're referncing, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that I am actaully correct.

Wattson: The video is quite old. There is nothing to tell us that the creator of these vids didn't give credit to the respective developers when he first made these vids a couple of years ago, before they got their places on GameTrailers.

You call the guy names (ass-hole, for example) yet you have no idea if he ever gave due credits...

Man this is taking forever to load.

Also:


STOP TROLLING HYNAD


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Edit: Ok I watched it, pretty good video. I was surprised to see Kairi involved and seeing her using the valor form was pretty interesting, I don't know why you're arguing about it and calling it shit TBH, it isn't that bad guys. Yeah it's pretty generic and the part where they slid down the cliff was utterly ridiculous, but I lol'd pretty fucking hard when Tifa gave one of those DOA bitches a German.

Wattson: The video is quite old. There is nothing to tell us that the creator of these vids didn't give credit to the respective developers when he first made these vids a couple of years ago, before they got their places on GameTrailers.

You call the guy names (ass-hole, for example) yet you have no idea if he ever gave due credits...

He didn't make them a couple years ago. Where'd you get that idea? You can follow his blog... the GameTrailers releases are the actual releases of the videos. Dead Fantasy 2 came out last month.

I have no idea if he ever gave due credits, but I've searched pretty hard now to make this argument and can't find them anywhere, when they should be upfront and in the limelight.

1 was great when it first came out cause it was all new and amazing and never before seen. 2 came out and felt a bit too long but i loved the slow down scenes with tifa using stop and slow magic. that was like "yes awesome!"

other than time magic i was like..."whatev". :p and when i saw rinoa doing some huge pillar magic thingy, i was thinking "man, so these chicks are going nuts on eachother right? imagine if seph came in out of nowhere! fucking instant death to all! lolol"

and that's all i could think of after that. hoping one of the ff guys would come in and just kill them all for super ownage. :D

Monty has stated that the guys are too hard to make, so there won't be any.


Also Hynad, Wattson is correct, I watched Dead Fantasy 1 shortly after it came out and this was around november time, it's pretty new.


And they came out on gametrailer before anywhere else.

Was it really in November? I was sure it was way older than that. I guess time didn't pass as fast as I thought.

At the same time, my point about due credit still stand. The fact that it is specified that it is a fan work during the intro of the video should be more than enough.

No need to cut all the different animation sequences and name the game from where it is, if it's from any game at all.

The fact that the last part of it isn't out yet, with a potential ending credit, makes me think some of you are way to hasty to judge.



EDIT: You should check on his deviantart site. He gives a lot of infos about his video creation process.

He shouldn't have to wait until "ending credits" to give credit. In reality each video should have an ending where he spouts the credits. Every other fan based multi character fight does it.

Also Wattson isn't saying the animation sequences require credit, but the character models themselves.

Also Wattson isn't saying the animation sequences require credit, but the character models themselves.




The issue is further worsened when the so called "artist" is stealing his animations and models from things and doesn't give them credit.

Now go take some reading lessons. mkthx

Why are people hating on the video? It's made for entertainment and you're all taking it way too seriously.

I don't know. People are saying that anyone with the proper knowledge, experience, tools, determination, etc... can do something like this.


That's particularly ridiculous. You could say the same thing for everything. Anybody could be a doctor if they had what it takes to be one...

At the same time, my point about due credit still stand. The fact that it is specified that it is a fan work during the intro of the video should be more than enough.

No need to cut all the different animation sequences and name the game
from where it is, if it's from any game at all.

Saying it's a fan video excuses nothing. Claiming he modeled and animated the whole thing with no indication that tons of the fight is just ripped animation applied to ripped models is plagiarism, plain and simple. If he flat out said "This is a fan video made of animations and models taken from video games"... that might be enough.

There's no noeed to cut allt he different animation sequences and name the game it's from, of course not. Do you know how to cite your sources or give credit? A simple list of "Featuring animations taken from Tekken, Virtua Fighter, etc. etc. and models taken from their respective games" takes very little effort and goes a long way towards his credibility.



The fact that the last part of it isn't out yet, with a potential ending credit, makes me think some of you are way to hasty to judge.

So, in a year or two when the final part comes out, that'll excuse the mistake now? I don't think so. It'd recover his image a little, but if he waits that long to acknowledge the people who really deserve credit for his production, that's just a sign of a very flawed character.



EDIT: You should check on his deviantart site. He gives a lot of infos about his video creation process.

I see he's planning on giving out a DVD. I know he's not stupid enough to sell it, but I sure hope he gives credit where it's due on these physical artifacts.




Edit: Also, I take back the "anyone can do it" comment. That was never erally my point, it was more the plagiarism part that made me want to comment. I do think it's not even an eigth as impressive as someone who had taken the time to model and animate the whole thing themselves would deserve, and since he's stealing the work of people who really DO do that without crediting them, it's disgusting.

Tekken, Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur producers use Motion Capture actors to do their animation. It's not like they go through a lot of trouble doing it all by hand.

STOP TROLLING, HYNAD

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@Hynad: If you want a response from me, you're going to have to create an argument better than "the people who did the work don't deserve credit".

Is that all this is?

Maybe I should rephrase your sentence.

"If you want to change my mind, you'll have to create an argument better than "the people who did the work don't deserve credit"...

I don't want to change your mind. I think your stance is just wrong, based on the little infos you seem to base your harsh response on.

And I don't really care what you think about it. You obviously haven't given any evidence of where he took the animation. And you have no idea if he did work hard or not on his FAN films.

I don't think these vids are amazing or mind blowing. But I don't think it is plagiarism either. He didn't redo an already existing video and call it his own. There is no game where you can see these vids the way they are here. Pieces of animations or not, it would be plagiarism if he, say, copied the actual intro video of Soul Calibur 3 (for example) and called it his own. But that's not what he's presenting to us here.

Just go read his DeviantArt blog before posting any comment regarding his work.

STOP TROLLING, HYNAD

And I don't really care what you think about it. You obviously haven't given any evidence of where he took the animation. And you have no idea if he did work hard or not on his FAN films.

I'm no fighting game expert, I really couldn't point out most of the instances. I do know that when I first saw the second video posted somewhere else, it was responded with lots of replies pointing out the animations that were stolen. Shame I didn't save that, but oh well.

I just watched it again to see what I could find... note that my fighting game experience is pretty much limited to Soul Calibur 2, Virtua Fighter 4, and smash bros (if that counts :P), and maybe a few other games. The girl with the purple sword uses Killik/Seung Mina's twirly staff attack from Soul Calibur... Yuna's first throw is straight out of a game (Tekken I believe?). I'm fairly certain every single one of the Axe girl's moves are just Astaroth's from Soul Calibur, including his most iconic one where he impales someone and spins them around and then lets them go flying. Tifa trying to drink the potions is directly the Drunken Master's animations from Virtua Fighter. Most of the kicking from Tifa and the Jeans girl are striaght out of other fighting games, though I can't name exactly who or what from, only that I've seen them before...

I wish I had played some fighting games more recently, since it's been a few years since I've really played any one seriously, hence my fuzzy memory of where exactly things are from (but I know when I've seen an exact animation before).

I also noticed a few things that looked like Smash Bros, but I have no idea how easy it would be to translate things from Smash to this so I didn't really mind it.

Other things to note is the Time animation for Tifa's slow and haste is from a final fantasy (I believe? It's some game I've played), but that's slightly forgivable since I'm not sure how else you're supposed to represent iconic final fantasy spells without its animation. Also, did he only use one voice for every character?




I don't think these vids are amazing or mind blowing. But I don't think it is plagiarism either. He didn't redo an already existing video and call it his own. There is no game where you can see these vids the way they are here. Pieces of animations or not, it would be plagiarism if he, say, copied the actual intro video of Soul Calibur 3 (for example) and called it his own. But that's not what he's presenting to us here.

Plagiarism:
"1. a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work
2. the act of plagiarizing; taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own "

Did they not cover this in any of your English classes from like 5th grade throughout college? Plagiarism is exactly what he did. Plagiarism can just be taking snippets from other people and inserting them here or there without citing/quoting. That's what he did. The fact that I, an extremely novice fighting game player, could notice so many stolen animations, leads me to believe that the video is filled with lots of others too. He's presenting it as original work when it's not.


Just go read his DeviantArt blog before posting any comment regarding his work.

I did. Hence me willing to concede that not everyone can do it since he obviously puts quite a lot of time and money and effort into this and does have some skill.

I'm really sorry, but the idea of plagiarism just don't seem to fit when talking about fan fictions. For it to be a fan fiction, parts of the games involved have to be part of the project.

If I go by your logic about plagiarism, then every fan fiction/project is guilty of it. Yet at the same time, it cannot be otherwise since it IS a fan project...

The guy might have used animations from other games, but his work is still his own in the sense that he did put everything together to form something entirely new. None of the developers from which the codes, models, or animations were taken from did that kind of sequence. So for all it's worth, the guy did came up with something original, using the tools that were made available to him. It's a fan project, and as such, you can't ask of his work to have its own unique soul and be the next big thing.


But you at last aknowledged my first point. The guy does indeed have skills.

I'm really sorry, but the idea of plagiarism just don't seem to fit when talking about fan fictions. For it to be a fan fiction, parts of the games involved have to be part of the project.

If I go by your logic about plagiarism, then every fan fiction/project is guilty of it. Yet at the same time, it cannot be otherwise since it IS a fan project...

Fan fiction is different. They don't say "100% ORIGINAL CHARACTERS, PLOTS, AND SETTINGS DO NOT STEAL" They're extremely upfront about the fact that they're just writing stories based on the games for their own amusement/whatever and the source material is blatantly there.

His project is different. He's being very upfront about the fact that this is based on Final Fantasy, KH, DoA, and Ninja Gaiden characters, but that's IT. You have to do some digging to find the models are just rips, not original models, yet his language expresses that he does the models from scratch. Furthermore, the fact that he's taking from Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, Tekken, and heaven's knows how many other games, is not mentioned anywhere whatsoever. Hence, the deceit. Hence, it being plagiarism.



The guy might have used animations from other games, but his work is still his own in the sense that he did put everything together to form something entirely new. None of the developers from which the codes, models, or animations were taken from did that kind of sequence. So for all it's worth, the guy did came up with something original, using the tools that were made available to him. It's a fan project, and as such, you can't ask of his work to have its own unique soul and be the next big thing.

It is still plagiarism and it is still not nearly as impressive as it pretends to be.



But you at last aknowledged my first point. The guy does indeed have skills.

I acknowledged it earlier. Post #41

We never saw anything even remotely as good as these sequences from the in-game videogames these characters were taken from. The models themselves are not that impressive...You can imagine what he had to work with...a few polygonal figures with predetermined animations...THATS IT. He had to design all of the choreography himself...the way the characters work together pulling off those crazy moves, the magic effects, the lighting, the interactive environments, the camera angles + zooms...all the dramatic choreography during the falling and tornado sequences.. The fact that some of the models are rips is irrelevant...All of the other stuff he did takes MUCH more skill than slapping a skin on top of a motion-captured wire frame.

P.S. Monty created the angel Rinoa model himself from scratch...and she is arguably the most detailed and impressive-looking character in the entire sequence.