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You take yourself way too seriously.
And honestly, you lack too many qualities to even start thinking about taking yourself seriously.


My advice to you would be to smoke some green, but drugs are hardly the best thing you'd give as an advice. So I will say just breathe a bit, your brain needs it bad. That will allow you to see when a person is joking, and when a person is being a complete moron like you are here.

When Sakaguchi dies

it will probably last til Final Fantasy: XX

then they will probably make remakes and sequels, prequels etc. etc.

or until FF stops funding them money


oh god i want them to make a Chrono sequel but NOOO! cos ff brings it most money :(

or until FF fanboys stop funding them money

Sorry, but I just had to clarify that one point.

Yeah, of course if Square-Enix decided to make really bad Final Fantasy games (in the main series, not spin offs), that would also help.

z.zetsumei, you fail to realise that new gamers jump in the series with every new entries.

Yeah, of course if Square-Enix decided to make really bad Final Fantasy games (in the main series, not spin offs), that would also help.

z.zetsumei, you fail to realise that new gamers jump in the series with every new entries.

True, but once they decide to continue to buy later installments based on the expression of a dormant FF fanboy/girl gene by playing a new Final Fantasy game they're considered fanboys/girls in my book and thus become fanboys/girls that supply Square with money.

Oh, and I like how you used the proper form of realise and not the whole funky thing with the "z" that's been integrated into the English language.

Fixed.


You take yourself way too seriously.
And honestly, you lack too many qualities to even start thinking about taking yourself seriously.


My advice to you would be to smoke some green, but drugs are hardly the best thing you'd give as an advice. So I will say just breathe a bit, your brain needs it bad. That will allow you to see when a person is joking, and when a person is being a complete moron like you are here.

I don't take myself seriously at all, Hynad. I get the impression sometimes that you feel like you're an elitist, though.

I've smoked enough "green" in my life, personally, and I can say it doesn't do anything but make you an idiot who laughs at everything or makes you the world's worst philosopher.

hynads pricking about again,
god and you talk of fanboys

mesalgear, nobody miss you here.

Tru Dat

hynads pricking about again,
god and you talk of fanboys

Be Matured, just Ignore him
This is a Post to Final Fantasy no to Hynad

Be Matured, just Ignore him
This is a Post to Final Fantasy no to Hynad



lawl

Be Matured, just Ignore him
This is a Post to Final Fantasy no to Hynad

Good grief, go back to 1st grade and learn how to construct a logical sentence.

They're allowing kindergarteners to access the internet now, and to post on forums no less!?

They're allowing kindergarteners to access the internet now, and to post on forums no less!?

Thankyou!... its so funny.... I'm just Ignoring you...

I think they will stop making FF games when they realize they have stopped making them. And by this they realize that they have pulled so far away from the RPG formula that the game is now more like Devil May Cry or somthing like that then an RPG. No offense to DMC i happen to love the games:)

When do you think this thread will finally end? :)

When do you think this thread will finally end? :)

lol good question cause i made a post a long time ago and still receive this on my email notification, this thread has taken so many turns.

sup

lol good question cause i made a post a long time ago and still receive this on my email notification, this thread has taken so many turns.



Unsubscribe my friend :)

The series will end when the fans have had enough of it. The Series is the foundation of square-enix, so they're going to milk the golden cow until the fans get sick of the milk.

Well, Did any1 miss me? Ive been gone for so long, I 4got what we were talking About!

Funny how people say, FF12 is my last FF...
to me, ill prolly still buy any new FF because its FF and im sure a lot of us have had good times playin FF....
its just FF... lol
how can u not get FF?!


Swarsh :) (first post, hi all)

Hi Swarsh.

Well I think FF will stop as soon as they run out of characters, story lines, locations and.. that is about it.

Well I think FF will stop as soon as they run out of characters, story lines, locations and.. that is about it.

thts like sayin FF will end wen every1 dies... lol...
run out of characters? story lines? locations? im pretty sure they make new characters everytime and story lines everytime maybe not location all the time (re-use some locations) but yeh...
thts what i think.


Swarsh

Umm.....Well.....I think that Final Fantasy will end when....umm...well.....
I dunno

woah grande freak i havent seen u in ages... i think the last time was when i was mooglemage...

That's like asking when the Pokemon games will end. As long as they can milk the series, it will last forever. Unless Square just makes a FF that was so horrible and short, to piss its fan base off.

Im back, And better then ever!!!! ^ ^
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Well, anywho, I dont think FF will milk it out Foreva...right?

Though. Since the whole series started out without direct sequels... It's hard to see the series ending. But, they probably will make it an epic one, bringing back every fucking character just for this one game, and having it play like a total mind fuck.

Though. Since the whole series started out without direct sequels... It's hard to see the series ending. But, they probably will make it an epic one, bringing back every fucking character just for this one game, and having it play like a total mind fuck.

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's retarded "reunion" specials. You take that shit and shove it right back up your ass where you pulled it from.

*no wonder ur an asshole

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's retarded "reunion" specials. You take that shit and shove it right back up your ass where you pulled it from.


Meh, it's the only probable way I can see it ending. Although, I agree it would be retarded, but at the same time nostalgic. Making all the old playable characters NPC and what not. Also, although non relevant I would love to see Gilgamesh as a playable character.

I would love to see Gilgamesh as a playable character. Gilgamesh, I've always thought of him to be a very cocky ba***rd but it would be cool. Perhaps a few easter eggs be involved???

When do you think this thread will finally end? :P

Dont say that! It summons Mods that can Close the Thread!!!

Dont say that! It summons Mods that can Close the Thread!!!

Definetly, i love Final Fantasy, it'd be sad for SquareEnix to announce a "last" final fantasy. They're all so good.

Sigh, as long as buisness takes over and keeps making each FF shittier than the last, without the fans noticing of course, then the cycle shall never end. FF will end when it's become so crappy people finally realize they've been wasting money for the past year. The last good final fantasy was 10. Although, I do hope they take pride in Dissidia, it's the last FF game I'm buying without thorough review like every other game.

Shittier... FF X was is my book shittier than IX, but XII is in my book a step up from X... I don't see this downfall you're talking about.

And you're basically calling it a downfall just for a single game (XII, since XI can hardly be taken in account due to the game being something else entirely).


Come up with a glimpse of a decent argument if you want to go so far as saying everything after X is shit.

Unless of course you're talking about games that aren't from the main series (spin offs, Chronicle, etc...), I disagree completely that the games are becoming shittier.

XII tried to take a new route by adding a lot of exploration, and making things less linear. XIII looks like it's going a similar route by looking at what worked and what didn't from XII. I personally greatly enjoyed XII for the effort put into shaking things up while keeping the core of the series intact (except for a more epic, more engaging story... even if it was great in its own ways, it wasn't as emotionally engaging as IX or VI).

The new free roaming battle system was a nice addition even though it lacked a bit of action from the player, since most of the characters actions were pre-programmed through gambits.
There's definitely room for improvements but I say it was more than due time that Final Fantasy went a more real time route.

well, lets hope FFXIII is a good game then :)

well, lets hope FFXIII is a good game then :)

It looks good, i'm a bit turned off about the fact that people keep saying SquarEnix made the girl character a female Cloud, i'm kinda tired of all the FF7. (If it gets over extended it's not going to be a classic in 5 years.)
But aside from the the battle system looks interesting, and i love the FF Plots, so i'm excited, i wish they'd stop pushing the date back though, this time last year they said it would be released already. :(

Final Fantasy will stop when the president at Squeenix says, "Alrighty, guys, I'm tired of having all this money. Lets kill our cash cow! Whaddya say?!"

then that presedent of SquareEnix would be shot...and they would come up with a game so bad that it would be shut down immediatly

Like Dirge of Cerberus.

Like Dirge of Cerberus.

Id give that a "meh"

Like Dirge of Cerberus.

Dirge wasn't too bad, it was just a bit annoying, i beat it quicker than any other FF and the battle system was so unfinal fantasy-ish. people that genuinly liked Vincent ( like me) had been waiting for some bad ass vincent game to come out and then Dirge appeared, and it made me loose hope in anymore FF7 spinoffs but then Crisis Core came out and i was all better,

I didn't dislike Dirge. I gave it the fair chance I gave most other genres SE seemed to have no business branching out into like Einhander (shoot 'em up), Tobal (fighting), Ehrgeiz, (fighting), Parasite Eve (survival horror), Driving Emotion Type-S (racing), The Bouncer (beat 'em up) and Dirge was probably the weakest effort after Driving Emotion, imo.

A big factor in my somewhat negative opinion is its insistence to connect with FFVII. I'd probably have liked it better as an original.

Shittier... FF X was is my book shittier than IX, but XII is in my book a step up from X... I don't see this downfall you're talking about.

And you're basically calling it a downfall just for a single game (XII, since XI can hardly be taken in account due to the game being something else entirely).


Come up with a glimpse of a decent argument if you want to go so far as saying everything after X is shit.

Unless of course you're talking about games that aren't from the main series (spin offs, Chronicle, etc...), I disagree completely that the games are becoming shittier.

XII tried to take a new route by adding a lot of exploration, and making things less linear. XIII looks like it's going a similar route by looking at what worked and what didn't from XII. I personally greatly enjoyed XII for the effort put into shaking things up while keeping the core of the series intact (except for a more epic, more engaging story... even if it was great in its own ways, it wasn't as emotionally engaging as IX or VI).

The new free roaming battle system was a nice addition even though it lacked a bit of action from the player, since most of the characters actions were pre-programmed through gambits.
There's definitely room for improvements but I say it was more than due time that Final Fantasy went a more real time route.

Haven't really be looking at this thread, but 11 does count, it has a story and final boss. Also, there are OTHER FF'S after 10, not all FF's are numeric.

That's what I thought. You're counting games that aren't from the main series, but spin-offs, and "reunion" games.

I don't give a damn about those. They aren't created by any of the main teams of producers.

As if you'd call Mario Lost in Time or Mario Paint as main titles in the Super Mario platforming series(Super Mario Bros 1-2-3, World, World 2, 64, Sunshine, Galaxy.).

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for example isn't a member of the main Final Fantasy series. It's part of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicle series.


Final Fantasy VII has seen countless spin-offs and "milkage", yet all share one common particularity.
Final Fantasy VII is a sub-title for all of them, not the other way around. It's Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII, Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII, etc... Not the main title of the game, unlike Final Fantasy X 2, the only sequel in the main series of games (along with the episodic Final Fantasy IV The After: Tsuki no Kikan, available for mobile phones in Japan).

That's what I thought. You're counting games that aren't from the main series, but spin-offs, and "reunion" games.

I don't give a damn about those. They aren't created by any of the main teams of producers.

As if you'd call Mario Lost in Time or Mario Paint as main titles in the Super Mario platforming series(Super Mario Bros 1-2-3, World, World 2, 64, Sunshine, Galaxy.).

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for example isn't a member of the main Final Fantasy series. It's part of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicle series.


Final Fantasy VII has seen countless spin-offs and "milkage", yet all share one common particularity.
Final Fantasy VII is a sub-title for all of them, not the other way around. It's Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII, Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII, etc... Not the main title of the game, unlike Final Fantasy X 2, the only sequel in the main series of games (along with the episodic Final Fantasy IV The After: Tsuki no Kikan, available for mobile phones in Japan).


Where does Mystic Quest fit in?

nobody knows

Can it really end? Will SE let it die and move into another name series, look how far unlimited saga and Drakengard got.
But seriously, they kill FF, they kill their only source of income.

....hmmm....maybe they'll just stopped using roman numerals and start going back up the scale in traditional English 1,2,3,4,5 :P

The Dragon Quest series is a much more profitable source of income for them in Japan.

And if DQ VIII is any indication, they're slowly starting to make things better for the series on our shores.


It seems like people tend to forget the second part of the company's name: Enix.

I love the series to death, im a hardcore fanati of FF, own em all and will keep buying em until i die =3

It will never end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It will never end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NEVERRRRRRRRRRR

hi5 solid snake.

NEVVVVVVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

does anyone play 11?

nop (i don�t like MMORPGs)

neither do i but it's FF so I'm gonna give it a try with some friends

i will wait until FF XIV ( it comes with Windows Live)

sweet shit

The Wii will kill Final Fantasy.

Final Fantasy couldn't be more opposite of the casual game.

Final Fantasy will become an oddity and a niche, but certainly not a necessity in the future.

does anyone play 11?

There is a section here on the forums dedicated to Final Fantasy XI Online, with a Player/Server list of people who play FFXI.

Having said that, I do play FFXI and have done so since December 2006. I do enjoy the game, but as with all MMORPG's, you come across a lot of idiots, elitist arrogant scumbags who think the sun shines from their asses.

However, ignoring those shits (The /Blacklist Add feature has seen a lot of use from me), there is a story to the game. Also with four full length expansions, two mini expansions and the third mini expansion on the way, there is a lot to do in the game. Also, as stated in the manual, there are four other continents in the world of Vana'diel, still available for at least four more expansions to be made for.

FFXIV... I admit, I'm not too fond of this at this point in time, due to the following A: The time spent on leveling my character in numerous jobs; and B: (imo the important part) the monthly subscription fee I've paid into FFXI so far. To 'throw all that away' and start again from scratch, irks the hell out of me.

love story?? why FF is love story?
isn't the game title is FinalFantasy?
so, the game was made for the last dream of ppl right?
the story like this, world become dying enough, apocalypse will come, and then ppl want to safe the world from the apocalypse..
=/

love story?? why FF is love story?
isn't the game title is FinalFantasy?
so, the game was made for the last dream of ppl right?
the story like this, world become dying enough, apocalypse will come, and then ppl want to safe the world from the apocalypse..
=/

Gee... you ask some real intelligent questions there. I mean, there are really deep questions we all have to stop and ask about.

.... Not.

I'm guessing you don't even know WHY Final Fantasy was called Final Fantasy do you?

I'm guessing English isn't their first language, either.

Y SO WAY SIS?

I'm guessing English isn't their first language, either.

True.

EDIT: My 1000th post... and I don't have anything more groundbreaking to say? I'm so ashamed... :(

I'm guessing you don't even know WHY Final Fantasy was called Final Fantasy do you?

yes i do not know either :D lol..
i just read it few days ago, so i just say what is in my head :P

Where does Mystic Quest fit in?

Is a Simple Spinoff

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was first released in North America in 1992 and marketed as a "simplified role-playing game...designed for the entry-level player" in an attempt to broaden the genre's appeal. The game's presentation and battle system is broadly similar to that of the main series, but it differed in its inclusion of action-adventure game elements.

After its U.S. debut, Final Fantasy Mystic Quest released in Japan under the title Final Fantasy USA: Mystic Quest.
The European release of the game was titled Mystic Quest Legend to avoid confusion with Final Fantasy Adventure, which released in Europe as Mystic Quest.


hi5 solid snake.

NEVVVVVVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

does anyone play 11?

No me Either dont like the XI, because is MMORPG, but the Music, Oh My God, all the OST's of XI, are Great, awesome


yes i do not know either :D lol..
i just read it few days ago, so i just say what is in my head :P

It is called, FINAL FANTASY, because it was Originally mean to be, the LAST game of Square, because they were in the total RUIN, but with the Popularity, and the Succesfull of the FINAL FANTASY, we now have XIV of it, with many Sequels, Prequels and Spinoff, and Now the Emprise is Square-Enix

See this:

In the mid 1980s, Square entered the Japanese video game industry with simple RPGs, racing games, and platformers for Nintendo's Famicom Disk System. Though a couple games were successful in North America, most were not popular and the company faced bankruptcy. In 1987, Square designer Hironobu Sakaguchi headed development of a game to prevent the company's financial ruin. Sakaguchi chose to create a new fantasy role-playing game for the cartridge-based Famicom, and drew inspiration from popular fantasy games: Enix's Dragon Quest, Nintendo's The Legend of Zelda, and Origin Systems's Ultima series. As Sakaguchi planned to retire after completing the project, he named it Final Fantasy. Despite his explanation, publications have also attributed the name to the company's hopes that the project would solve its financial troubles.

The game indeed reversed Square's lagging fortunes, and it became the company's flagship franchise.
Following the success, Square immediately developed a second installment. Because Sakaguchi assumed Final Fantasy would be a stand-alone title, its story was not designed to be expanded by a sequel. The developers instead chose to carry over only thematic similarities to its predecessor, and some of the gameplay elements, such as the character advancement system, were overhauled. This approach has continued throughout the series; each major Final Fantasy game features a new setting, a new cast of characters, and an upgraded battle system.

Info. Taken from Wikipedia

I think as we all know final fantasy would've ended 20 years ago had it not saved Square from bankruptcy. Had that happen Square would've been just another company faded into video game history and final fantasy would have only existed as just another title in the NES library and this conversation would be irrelevant, but thanks to Mr. Sakaguchi's "Final Trick" to save Square from bankruptcy, final fantasy did pull through for them and it became a top selling video game franchise.... obviously.

As for how long will final fantasy last from here.... who knows? Franchises have a longer lifespan now a days then they used to thanks to marketing through the Internet and things like that, but that doesn't mean they're always good. I've seen a lot of older franchises lose their insight when they try and appeal to new crowds rather then just staying true to who they were about and in return it costs them some of their true "devotees." The reason for that... is because once they make the "big success" it really just becomes all about profit and not product. Then there are some franchises that do a pretty good job at keeping their old fanbase interested while also appealing to new crowds. Overall I'd say video game companies/franchises do a pretty good job of appealing to newer crowds while also keeping the like of their older fans. Movie franchises and music bands are a different story, some do great, some don't.

Overall, I think so long as Square Enix manages to keep a balance and not become too profit driven or have tacky marketing strategies. I think final fantasy will last a long time, they've given us some great games as well as some very good soundtracks over the years and I think they still have some great ones to come.

Nothing lasts forever, and eventually SE will end the FF series. Not a question of 'IF', a question of 'WHEN. Probably not until they've run the series dry completely and alienated themselves from others.

Other companies have flagship titles of their own, which they spawn countless others in their series (Konami with the Suikoden and Metal Gear Series; Koei with Dynasty Warriors and Romance of the Three Kingdoms; Nintendo with the Mario series). Look at Capcom's Breath of Fire series, started out great, but IMO, they fell apart with Breath of Fire V Dragon Quarter and that series was more or less killed.

SE has had a good run with the FF series, spanning two decades and multiple gaming systems. With FFVII, RPG's did come out from the niche market they were in, to mainstream gaming and overall RPG's did very well afterwards. More companies took note and more RPG's came out into the mainstream market.

Still, it's only a matter of time til the FINAL Final Fantasy is made.

As Q said at the end of Star Trek The Next Generation:

"All good things... must come to a end."

Nothing lasts forever, and eventually SE will end the FF series. Not a question of 'IF', a question of 'WHEN. Probably not until they've run the series dry completely and alienated themselves from others.

Other companies have flagship titles of their own, which they spawn countless others in their series (Konami with the Suikoden and Metal Gear Series; Koei with Dynasty Warriors and Romance of the Three Kingdoms; Nintendo with the Mario series). Look at Capcom's Breath of Fire series, started out great, but IMO, they fell apart with Breath of Fire V Dragon Quarter and that series was more or less killed.

SE has had a good run with the FF series, spanning two decades and multiple gaming systems. With FFVII, RPG's did come out from the niche market they were in, to mainstream gaming and overall RPG's did very well afterwards. More companies took note and more RPG's came out into the mainstream market.

Still, it's only a matter of time til the FINAL Final Fantasy is made.

As Q said at the end of Star Trek The Next Generation:

"All good things... must come to a end."

dont forget Konami: Castlevania...

The Saga Sooner or Later it will End, they will going Down, new Tecnology, more years of Development and Production of a Title, with the Resurection of the Saga with XII, it Took 4 years since X (XI, dont Count because is MMORPG) see Now, with XIII, and all the Spinoff of the XIII: Versus, Agito, Haeresis, the Main XIII, hasnt come Out, when we have Now Images of XIV, Unfortunately they are taking too long and gradually going to get started to fall, I hope meanwhile they do the Final remakes of V & VI, into the DS, as the IV, that woul be Great...

The Remake of VII? hmmm they Milked too much the VII, with all that Pre and Sequels, I prefer a VIII-2, but if SE, want to remake It would be Good to see the VII Again

I was about to mention castlevania also since its one of my all time favorite series. I do agree though VII has sort of ran its course and as much as I liked it I would be strongly against a VII remake, I'd even go as far as to say I'd be against a VIII remake. To me it would be like trying to remake blade runner. Its a rare piece of history that was a big inspiration to a lot of things afterwards but sometimes its better just to leave it as its original form to remember its significance, sure younger fans or future fans who might not have been familiar with ps1 might criticize the graphics, but graphics don't always make a better game. VII was a milestone in game history as it gave RPG a well earned name.

Like I said, I think SE will do okay for a little while, the challenge will be time seeing how it takes close to 4 years now per big game release, so its kind of a "no wonder" that they're also doing more online based FF's as well.

I was about to mention castlevania also since its one of my all time favorite series. I do agree though VII has sort of ran its course and as much as I liked it I would be strongly against a VII remake, I'd even go as far as to say I'd be against a VIII remake. To me it would be like trying to remake blade runner. Its a rare piece of history that was a big inspiration to a lot of things afterwards but sometimes its better just to leave it as its original form to remember its significance, sure younger fans or future fans who might not have been familiar with ps1 might criticize the graphics, but graphics don't always make a better game. VII was a milestone in game history as it gave RPG a well earned name.

Like I said, I think SE will do okay for a little while, the challenge will be time seeing how it takes close to 4 years now per big game release, so its kind of a "no wonder" that they're also doing more online based FF's as well.


I like your perspective, the same is happenning to me with the first silent hill, now they release shattered memories saying that it's a reboot or something like that, I would've liked if they've leave it alone, now speaking of reboots castlevania it's not out of the picture, well, I've played almost every castlevania, I don't have anything against this reboot because most of the IGA(Koji Igarashi) castlevanias were disgusting for me. From SOTN and beyond the only ones that I've enjoyed were Lament of Innocence & Harmony of Dissonance.

Back on topic about FF, it will be a pendulum effect, from huge success to decadence,the cycle will continue as long as they make another Spirits Within XD, I have a question, Is there a video game series, long as FF but suddenly disappear? The only that comes to my mind is Ultima.

We might get to scrape by on Shattered Memories, man. What Harry is seeing in some trailers flashes back and forth. Might be him reliving the experience in his mind, moments before the Missionary strikes his final blow.

I was about to mention castlevania also since its one of my all time favorite series. I do agree though VII has sort of ran its course and as much as I liked it I would be strongly against a VII remake, I'd even go as far as to say I'd be against a VIII remake. To me it would be like trying to remake blade runner. Its a rare piece of history that was a big inspiration to a lot of things afterwards but sometimes its better just to leave it as its original form to remember its significance, sure younger fans or future fans who might not have been familiar with ps1 might criticize the graphics, but graphics don't always make a better game. VII was a milestone in game history as it gave RPG a well earned name.

Like I said, I think SE will do okay for a little while, the challenge will be time seeing how it takes close to 4 years now per big game release, so its kind of a "no wonder" that they're also doing more online based FF's as well.

Yes a Remake of VIII, it wouldnt be nice to see, I have my Precious Memories of VIII, and I'm Glad in some Point that they havent Make a Sequel of VIII, but I want to see a Remake, but if SE, dont do it Good is Better that Nothing about VIII comes out...

Graphics thats the Fact that the Majority of the Gamers Prefers and are Seduced with Graphics, that is Why I prefers the Portatil (Specially The GBA, and NDS) because they have so Many, Many Games, that are Funny to Play you enjoy playing, seeing the Graphics, the History, etc.... (some have Good History as Golden Sun, and the 3 Castlevania of GBA and Others only are So Funny to Play, that, that is the Important Fact of Have, that The Player have Fun, Playing the Game, some Companies have Forgotten about that Fact and Only Presents Graphics) and for Now, I im Waiting to Play BLOOD of Bahamut and Hikari 4 no Senshi -Final Fantasy GAIDEN-


I like your perspective, the same is happenning to me with the first silent hill, now they release shattered memories saying that it's a reboot or something like that, I would've liked if they've leave it alone, now speaking of reboots castlevania it's not out of the picture, well, I've played almost every castlevania, I don't have anything against this reboot because most of the IGA(Koji Igarashi) castlevanias were disgusting for me. From SOTN and beyond the only ones that I've enjoyed were Lament of Innocence & Harmony of Dissonance.

Back on topic about FF, it will be a pendulum effect, from huge success to decadence,the cycle will continue as long as they make another Spirits Within XD, I have a question, Is there a video game series, long as FF but suddenly disappear? The only that comes to my mind is Ultima.

with Silent Hill, I have to say that Shattered of Memories have My Interest number one and the more important Point is simple that is just a Remake of the True Silent Hill, not Like Homecomming (Where Team Silent isnt Working Anymore just Akira Yamaoka, and that is Another Point I love the Music of Him, and for that, is that I'm Waiting I just that the team of Homecomming dont Blow the Silent Hill with a Bad Remake)

Castlevania, I have to say that I dont Agree with You the 3 of GBA, Circle of the Mon, Concerto of Midnight Sun, Minuet of Dawn, and the 3 of NDS, Cross of the Blue Moon, Gallery of Labyrinth and Order of Ecclesia, are Just Great more Great that the 2 3D of PS2, I'm Sorry but Even Lament of Innocence falls behind and well we Know Curse of Darkness, poor Trevor...

and the Remake of Rondo was Great because not all of Us, PLayed the Original, and with the Lord of Shadows, well we wil see what Kojima do it with the Franchise, I hope he Dont Blow it so, so Much...

and with the Remake of Castlevania Adventure as Castlevania ReBirth, only for Wii (production by IGA, with Other Team) is Seen Much, Much Better that Lord of Shadows, ReBirth If wath I'm Waiting...

Returning to FF, another Spirits Withing as Movie It would Be Interesting to see, and the Pre and Sequels of FUF, in an Anime series or an Anime Movie, Well we have to see what SE, bring to us, they have so Many things to do before they Dissapear, maybe another FF, eith the Team of XII, the Remake of V & VI and Even at Last Game of VII, when we See the Return of Genesis and Weiss, and Maybe Sephiroth again?

Castlevania, I have to say that I dont Agree with You the 3 of GBA, Circle of the Mon, Concerto of Midnight Sun, Minuet of Dawn, and the 3 of NDS, Cross of the Blue Moon, Gallery of Labyrinth and Order of Ecclesia, are Just Great more Great that the 2 3D of PS2, I'm Sorry but Even Lament of Innocence falls behind and well we Know Curse of Darkness, poor Trevor...

and the Remake of Rondo was Great because not all of Us, PLayed the Original, and with the Lord of Shadows, well we wil see what Kojima do it with the Franchise, I hope he Dont Blow it so, so Much...

and with the Remake of Castlevania Adventure as Castlevania ReBirth, only for Wii (production by IGA, with Other Team) is Seen Much, Much Better that Lord of Shadows, ReBirth If wath I'm Waiting...

Returning to FF, another Spirits Withing as Movie It wolud Be Interesting to see, and the Pre and Sequels of FUF, in an Anime series or an Anime Movie, Well we have to see what SE, bring to us, they have so Many things to do before they Dissapear, maybe another FF, eith the Team of XII, the Remake of V & VI and Even at Last Game of VII, when we See the Return of Genesis and Weiss, and Maybe Sephiroth again?

IGA wasn't involved in Circle of the Moon, TamagochiVania(Curse of Darkness) was the worse they've done with all the castlevania series for me, what I don't like from the IGA 2D castlevanias (excluding Dracula X remake) is that they don't bring nothing, absolutely nothing new, all of them use the same SOTN formula with a modified battle system, Order of Ecclesia is the only that seemed have a little more effort on changing this and what they did with dracula in "Of Sorrow" was bad for me. I like the Idea of Lords of Shadow because the series will finally have a consistent storyline with a good script and it will be the first 3D castlevania that will be really good. On the otherside IGA castlevanias have good artwork and great music.

About Silent Hill, the only ones that I really like were 1 and 2, and 1 is the best survival horror ever in my list, the trailers of Shattered memories bring a whole different image that doesn't fit with my tastes.

And I stop there, this is getting too off topic

About FF, I don't agree about that, an anime would be interesting, but a movie? no... and there won't be another FF with XII team since Matsuno is not part of SE anymore, they'll only make countless Ivalice titles with cheesy storylines ��...

IGA wasn't involved in Circle of the Moon, TamagochiVania(Curse of Darkness) was the worse they've done with all the castlevania series for me, what I don't like from the IGA 2D castlevanias (excluding Dracula X remake) is that they don't bring nothing, absolutely nothing new, all of them use the same SOTN formula with a modified battle system, Order of Ecclesia is the only that seemed have a little more effort on changing this and what they did with dracula in "Of Sorrow" was bad for me. I like the Idea of Lords of Shadow because the series will finally have a consistent storyline with a good script and it will be the first 3D castlevania that will be really good. On the otherside IGA castlevanias have good artwork and great music.

About Silent Hill, the only ones that I really like were 1 and 2, and 1 is the best survival horror ever in my list, the trailers of Shattered memories bring a whole different image that doesn't fit with my tastes.

And I stop there, this is getting too off topic

About FF, I don't agree about that, an anime would be interesting, but a movie? no... and there won't be another FF with XII team since Matsuno is not part of SE anymore, they'll only make countless Ivalice titles with cheesy storylines ��...

hahaha, yeah we are getting off Topic, dont stress you with Curse of Darkness, all of Us, know that, that Game inst worth for to be mentioned, about Lord of Shadows well it will be the first Castlevania with Good 3D Graphics well that was Obviously true, since the First Trailer, but well we will see it...

Yes Silent Hill 1 & 2 are the best of the 4 main, leaving The Room as the Ugly Duck of the Main 4, because the 3 is Good, and yes the Images of Shattered Memories is Another from the Original, but we have to see the Gameplay, the Story (Hope tha Climax Group dont Blow it all up linking it with Homecomming or another Weird Things that they can do it to that Masterpiece)

I just Mentionet, that they make other Movie of FFSW because they do it a little more faster than a Game and it would be a Little rare playing a Game of FFSW XD

Cheesy Storylines, much Spinoff about the Ivale Alliance: The Main Characters of the Ivalice Alliance: XII, The Lion Wars, TACTICS ADVANCE, A2, Revenant Wings, and Then why?: Crystal Guardians W1, W2 & W3 and Now we Have Fortress

But maybe Someday they do another FF, that Matsuno isnt in SE now, that not means that they dont do another FF together someday

You're Missing Vagrant Story from Ivalice, Speaking of Ivalice, the only games that I consider true to the storyline are FFT, Vagrant Story and XII. The other ones.... I have nothing good to say.
I wish that Matsuno joins with Sakimoto & Yoshida to make another game, not necessarily an Ivalice title, could be anything.
About SW, you know, the movie wasn't good, that's why I think it's a better idea an Anime, but that's just more merchandise, let's stick up with the games, even if they're not good.

FF will not die and if it dies, There will be some time in the future that someone will come with an idea and say to the public something like. "After so many years without FF, we have the honor to present Final Fantasy ReBirth" XD

You're Missing Vagrant Story from Ivalice, Speaking of Ivalice, the only games that I consider true to the storyline are FFT, Vagrant Story and XII. The other ones.... I have nothing good to say.
I wish that Matsuno joins with Sakimoto & Yoshida to make another game, not necessarily an Ivalice title, could be anything.
About SW, you know, the movie wasn't good, that's why I think it's a better idea an Anime, but that's just more merchandise, let's stick up with the games, even if they're not good.

FF will not die and if it dies, There will be some time in the future that someone will come with an idea and say to the public something like. "After so many years without FF, we have the honor to present Final Fantasy ReBirth" XD

I didnt forget Vagrant Story, I didnt mentioned it, because I was just Tinking in the Final Fantasy's that are in Ivalice, alll that FF Spinoff's, and then I remembered the new Game Fortress that was why I put it in the List, as I dont Consider Vagrant Story as a Spinoff to FF, just that the Events are in some Ivalice World.

Well the Movie... No Words, but dont throw away the Posibility of Another Movie, they have now the ''Abilities'' to make Better Graphics, Better Effect, and a Better Script... XD

Yes, XD hahaha Final Fantasy ReBirth

Castlevania, I have to say that I dont Agree with You the 3 of GBA, Circle of the Mon, Concerto of Midnight Sun, Minuet of Dawn, and the 3 of NDS, Cross of the Blue Moon, Gallery of Labyrinth and Order of Ecclesia, are Just Great more Great that the 2 3D of PS2, I'm Sorry but Even Lament of Innocence falls behind and well we Know Curse of Darkness, poor Trevor...

and the Remake of Rondo was Great because not all of Us, PLayed the Original, and with the Lord of Shadows, well we wil see what Kojima do it with the Franchise, I hope he Dont Blow it so, so Much...

and with the Remake of Castlevania Adventure as Castlevania ReBirth, only for Wii (production by IGA, with Other Team) is Seen Much, Much Better that Lord of Shadows, ReBirth If wath I'm Waiting...


IGA wasn't involved in Circle of the Moon, TamagochiVania(Curse of Darkness) was the worse they've done with all the castlevania series for me, what I don't like from the IGA 2D castlevanias (excluding Dracula X remake) is that they don't bring nothing, absolutely nothing new, all of them use the same SOTN formula with a modified battle system, Order of Ecclesia is the only that seemed have a little more effort on changing this and what they did with dracula in "Of Sorrow" was bad for me. I like the Idea of Lords of Shadow because the series will finally have a consistent storyline with a good script and it will be the first 3D castlevania that will be really good. On the otherside IGA castlevanias have good artwork and great music.

About Silent Hill, the only ones that I really like were 1 and 2, and 1 is the best survival horror ever in my list, the trailers of Shattered memories bring a whole different image that doesn't fit with my tastes.

And I stop there, this is getting too off topic

About FF, I don't agree about that, an anime would be interesting, but a movie? no... and there won't be another FF with XII team since Matsuno is not part of SE anymore, they'll only make countless Ivalice titles with cheesy storylines ��...

What about Simon's Quest? I know it was before IGA and I know it was the second castlevania release and they were maybe trying something different but if you didn't have a guide of some sort, you were screwed. It was a very cryptic game in my opinion. The constant shift from day to night was kind of frustrating. I didn't figure out for a long time about how you're suppose to wait on this tornado to take simon away.... it wasn't very self explanatory overall, but I will give it credit that it pioneered the Bloody Tears theme which has been a constant reoccurring theme through the series. The nintendo power magazine cover released for simon's quest in 1988 I thought was kind of cool although it was a little bit controversial at the time.

Anyways, sorry I'm getting off subject.

As for FF, I'm really not too worried for it. I think it has a pretty big fan base that it obviously wouldn't be forgotten if it were gone (it's hard to predict when). SE are one of the big pioneers in video game history, so they'll always be remembered for what they achieved and what they have influenced.

What about Simon's Quest? I know it was before IGA and I know it was the second castlevania release and they were maybe trying something different but if you didn't have a guide of some sort, you were screwed. It was a very cryptic game in my opinion. The constant shift from day to night was kind of frustrating. I didn't figure out for a long time about how you're suppose to wait on this tornado to take simon away.... it wasn't very self explanatory overall, but I will give it credit that it pioneered the Bloody Tears theme which has been a constant reoccurring theme through the series. The nintendo power magazine cover released for simon's quest in 1988 I thought was kind of cool although it was a little bit controversial at the time.

Anyways, sorry I'm getting off subject.

As for FF, I'm really not too worried for it. I think it has a pretty big fan base that it obviously wouldn't be forgotten if it were gone (it's hard to predict when). SE are one of the big pioneers in video game history, so they'll always be remembered for what they achieved and what they have influenced.

Don't worry about that, I'll have to do it again xD, the mods are going to throw us tomahawks XD.

Look about Simon's Quest, the game is a pain in the ass, but think it a little, you said it yourself it was the second castlevania title and the password system was another plus in the pain, I tend to forgive this title because the whole NES has an eternal pack of games that you can't walkthrough unless you stuck your ass for hours doing trials and errors. But man that was in the eighties, we are in the 2000 entering to the 2nd decade of the 21st century and in all that time IGA made disasters with the castlevania series, using a formula from a game from the 90's(SOTN) in 5 handheld castlevania, I know that there are minor modifications, but even the modifications aren't that good, in fact some of them are just bad, in most of them you can't do the half of things that you can do in SOTN.

So what's your fauvorite castlevania? Mine would be Super Castlevania IV, I love the music, the gameplay and the design of the levels are unique.

About FF, man I don't have anything else to say about FF related to this topic. So moderators, feel free to throw me tomahawks.

Don't worry about that, I'll have to do it again xD, the mods are going to throw us tomahawks XD.

Look about Simon's Quest, the game is a pain in the ass, but think it a little, you said it yourself it was the second castlevania title and the password system was another plus in the pain, I tend to forgive this title because the whole NES has an eternal pack of games that you can't walkthrough unless you stuck your ass for hours doing trials and errors. But man that was in the eighties, we are in the 2000 entering to the 2nd decade of the 21st century and in all that time IGA made disasters with the castlevania series, using a formula from a game from the 90's(SOTN) in 5 handheld castlevania, I know that there are minor modifications, but even the modifications aren't that good, in fact some of them are just bad, in most of them you can't do the half of things that you can do in SOTN.

So what's your fauvorite castlevania? Mine would be Super Castlevania IV, I love the music, the gameplay and the design of the levels are unique.

About FF, man I don't have anything else to say about FF related to this topic. So moderators, feel free to throw me tomahawks.

XD Tomahawks

To what I've read above, how could you not want a remake? Sure you want to keep your memories but thats fine, just think of it as a different game!

I am in love with both VII & VIII but I'd kill for a remake, mostly because since finishing them I want something else to happen with them haha. Anyways back to the topic titled question, I don't think Final Fantasy will end.. I think Square needs it, and as long as it does I think it will keep being made. Which I'm happy about, although FF10-2 and FF12 have been awful compared to there predecessors.

To what I've read above, how could you not want a remake? Sure you want to keep your memories but thats fine, just think of it as a different game!

I am in love with both VII & VIII but I'd kill for a remake, mostly because since finishing them I want something else to happen with them haha. Anyways back to the topic titled question, I don't think Final Fantasy will end.. I think Square needs it, and as long as it does I think it will keep being made. Which I'm happy about, although FF10-2 and FF12 have been awful compared to there predecessors.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that's fine. I think SE if they want to survive and flourish, should also look into other gaming genre's and not just their flagship title.

True FF did save Square's collective asses out of the fire back in the 1980's, and there has been some memorable games/characters etc. However, as has been proved by various other games, tv shows, etc etc... nothing lasts forever (as I've stated in a earlier post). New people take over, newer products made, some which may be better than the predecessor and others which may be worse. That's natural.

However to say that nothing will end (Or imply that) is rather foolhardy. SE will eventually run out of steam and close it's production line, development teams close etc...

It may not be in a month, year, decade or so... but it will happen eventually.

You mean, like Nintendo, right? :rolleyes:





















Hint: Founded on September 23, 1889. And still stronger than ever, over a century after. ;)

To what I've read above, how could you not want a remake? Sure you want to keep your memories but thats fine, just think of it as a different game!

I am in love with both VII & VIII but I'd kill for a remake, mostly because since finishing them I want something else to happen with them haha. Anyways back to the topic titled question, I don't think Final Fantasy will end.. I think Square needs it, and as long as it does I think it will keep being made. Which I'm happy about, although FF10-2 and FF12 have been awful compared to there predecessors.

I prefer the VIII for a Remake and not VII, its why the way the VII was Milked, and because I dont like the VII So much as VI or IV even XII, but as I say earlier I prefer a Final Game to VII when they Show us the Return of all The Villians, as the Secret Ending of DC: FFVII indicates: The Awakening of Genesis, then Leaving with Weiss, then we Maybe see Sephiroth Again...

And if SE bring us a VII-2 It would be so GREAT (for me, yeah, Its My Opinion) (but the Remake or sequel or whatever they Link to VIII, they have to do it, Good, Clear and Awesome, for that they dont milked so much like VII)

You mean, like Nintendo, right? :rolleyes:


Hint: Founded on September 23, 1889. And still stronger than ever, over a century after. ;)

Quoted from Wikipedia:


As a card company (since 1889)

Nintendo was founded as a Japanese business by Fusajiro Yamauchi in late 1889, originally named "Nintendo Koppai". Based in Kyoto, Japan, the business produced and marketed a playing card game called Hanafuda. The handmade cards soon became popular, and Yamauchi hired assistants to mass produce cards to satisfy demand. Nintendo continues to manufacture playing cards in Japan[11] and organizes its own contract bridge tournament called the "Nintendo Cup".[12]
[edit] New ventures (1956–1975)

In 1956, Hiroshi Yamauchi (the grandson of Fusajiro Yamauchi) visited the U.S. to talk with the United States Playing Card Company, the dominant playing card manufacturer in that country. He found that the world's biggest company in his business was only using a small office. This was a turning point, where Yamauchi realized the limitations of the playing card business. He then gained access to Disney's characters and put them on the playing cards to drive sales.

In 1963, Yamauchi renamed Nintendo Playing Card Company Limited to Nintendo Company, Limited. The company then began to experiment in other areas of business using the newly injected capital. During this period of time between 1963 and 1968, Nintendo set up a taxi company, a "love hotel" chain, a TV network and a food company (trying to sell instant rice, similar to instant noodles). All these ventures eventually failed, and after the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, playing card sales dropped, leaving Nintendo with 60 yen in stocks.

In 1966, Nintendo moved into the Japanese toy industry with the Ultra Hand, an extending arm developed by its maintenance engineer Gunpei Yokoi in his free time. Yokoi was moved from maintenance to the new "Nintendo Games" department as a product developer. Nintendo continued to produce popular toys, including the Ultra Machine, Love Tester and the Kousenjuu series of light gun games. Despite some successful products, Nintendo struggled to meet the fast development and manufacturing turnaround required of the toy market, and fell behind the well-established companies such as Bandai and Tomy.

In 1973, the focus shifted to family entertainment venues with the Laser Clay Shooting System, using the same light gun technology used in Nintendo's Kousenjuu series of toys, and set up in abandoned bowling alleys. Following some success, Nintendo developed several more light gun machines for the emerging arcade scene. While the Laser Clay Shooting System ranges had to be shut down following excessive costs, Nintendo had found a new market.

Electronic era (since 1975)
In 1974, Nintendo secured the rights to distribute the Magnavox Odyssey home video game console in Japan. In 1977, Nintendo began producing its own Color TV Game home video game consoles. Four versions of these consoles were produced, each playing variations on a single game (for example, Color TV Game 6 featured six versions of Light Tennis).

A student product developer named Shigeru Miyamoto was hired by Nintendo at this time. He worked for Yokoi, and one of his first tasks was to design the casing for several of the Color TV Game consoles. Miyamoto went on to create some of Nintendo's most famous video games and become one of the most recognizable faces in the video game industry.

In 1975, Nintendo moved into the video arcade game industry with EVR Race, designed by their first game designer, Genyo Takeda [13], and several more titles followed. Nintendo had some small success with this venture, but the release of Donkey Kong in 1981, designed by Miyamoto, changed Nintendo's fortunes dramatically. The success of the game and many licensing opportunities (such as ports on the Atari 2600, Intellivision and ColecoVision) gave Nintendo a huge boost in profit.

In 1980, Nintendo launched Game & Watch, a handheld video game series developed by Yokoi, to worldwide success. In 1983, Nintendo launched the Family Computer (commonly called by its shortened name "Famicom") home video game console in Japan alongside ports of its most popular arcade titles. In 1985, the console launched in North America as the Nintendo Entertainment System, and was accompanied by Super Mario Bros.. In 1989, Yokoi developed the Game Boy handheld video game console. Nintendo is the longest-surviving video game console manufacturer to date.

The Nintendo Entertainment System was superseded by the Super Famicom, known outside Japan as the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES). This was Nintendo's console of the 16-bit 4th generation, and its main rival was the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis. A fierce console war[14] ensued, where the SNES was victorious. The SNES eventually sold 49.10 million consoles[15], around 20 million more than the Mega Drive. The Nintendo 64, most notable for its 3D graphics capabilities, introduced the analog stick and built-in multiplayer for up to four players, instead of two. It also introduced the Rumble Pak, an enhancement that produced force feedback, which was the first such device in the history of home console gaming, and has become an industry standard.[16]

The Nintendo GameCube followed, and was the first Nintendo console to use optical disc storage instead of cartridges.[17] The most recent home console, the Wii, uses motion sensing controllers [18] and has online functionality (although the GameCube did also have some basic online capabilities), used for services such as Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection, Virtual Console and WiiWare[19].

Handheld console history

After the Game & Watch, the handheld development continued with the Game Boy, the Game Boy Pocket and Game Boy Color, each differing in minor aspects. The Game Boy, the best-selling handheld and second best-selling console of all time, continued for more than a decade until the release of the Game Boy Advance, featuring technical specifications similar to the SNES. The Game Boy Advance SP, a frontlit, flip-screen version, introduced a rechargeable, built-in battery, instead of using AA batteries like its predecessors. The Game Boy Micro was released in 2005, after the Nintendo DS's release, but did not sell as well as its predecessors.

The most recent Nintendo handheld console is the Nintendo DS, using two screens, the bottom of which is a touchscreen, with online functionalities and technical power similar to that of the Nintendo 64. The Nintendo DS Lite, a remake of the DS, improved several features of the original model, including the battery life and screen brightness. It was designed to be sleeker, more beautiful, and more aesthetically pleasing than the original, in order to appeal to a broader audience.[20] On November 1, 2008, Nintendo released, in Japan, the Nintendo DSi, an improved version featuring larger screens, improved sound quality, an AAC music player and two cameras—one on the outside and one facing the user.[21]. It was released in the USA, Europe, and Australia at the start of April, 2009.

It was only in 1974, Nintendo trode down the path of computer gaming with the Magnavox Odyssey (as stated above). Granted Nintendo does have a long career in the electronic gaming industry, what about other gaming companies? I'm sure there are some which have faded into obscurity due to lack of sales/bankruptcy/etc etc. IF Final Fantasy hadn't of saved Square's collective asses in the 1980's, then Square would've faded away as well.

And Now, what do you Think of the Leona Lewis - My Hands song Selected as the American and European Version Main Theme to XIII?

They will Select Britney Spears - Womanizer as the American and European Version Main The of Versus XIII?

XD

or Maybe Lady Gaga - Love Game for Agito XIII?

Only thing, Leona Lewis is much better than those sluts.

Only thing, Leona Lewis is much better than those sluts.

XD hahahaha XD

lol i didn't know all those things about Nintendo. I had no idea they were playing card manufacturers before that. Wow the History of this company. I'm not a really big fan of it though.
Anyway about this forum topic I have my theories.
I think Square will drag this series as much as they possibly can, because it has earned them more money than anything else. However i believe that after XV or maybe XVI the series will have become too long and they will be forced to change the name to sth else. which will have to be as catchy. and they will also have to find a way to replace Final Fantasy to that other name in people's minds.
So, theoretically as long as Square exists, Final Fantasy will exist. At least that's what i think.

It already has ended for me. XII is the last one I will own :)

Awww, really? :( XIII looks awesome! I'm sure getting it :D

As far as the series is concerned.. I don't see it ending anytime soon. But one thing I gotta say is, THEY BETTER KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE ONLINE-ONLY GAMES!!! IXV better be IT for those! So tired of these gaps in the series because they decide to ruin an entire entry by making it "online-only". What's the point? Why not just make it FF ONLINE?

Yeah, I'm still pretty sure I'm not going to.

You started out with 'XII is the last one I'll own' and moved to 'I'm pretty sure I won't get it'




You're going to get it :)

You are an observant one. Still leaning to the no.

Personally for me, I think however well or not-so-well XIII does will decide whether or not I pursue the series any further. XII is amazing, it really retains that sort of . . . magical feel that the series has had in its own way, so I'm anticipating the same with XII; however, due to Square's latest 'Compilation of Final Fantasy VII' projects (which are good in their own way, I just don't think of them are FF games), maybe they've moved too far from their roots and are more about the flashy action battles of Advent Children that they are trying to bring to our fingertips rather than good story. But I really can't talk yet; the game's not even out and it has nothing to do with VII (thank God), so we'll just have to see :D

To what I've read above, how could you not want a remake? Sure you want to keep your memories but thats fine, just think of it as a different game!

I am in love with both VII & VIII but I'd kill for a remake, mostly because since finishing them I want something else to happen with them haha. Anyways back to the topic titled question, I don't think Final Fantasy will end.. I think Square needs it, and as long as it does I think it will keep being made. Which I'm happy about, although FF10-2 and FF12 have been awful compared to there predecessors.


I would like to see the remake, heck even OWN it. It would interesting to see how it has been redone (meaning how it would like now and then for the new players that cannot get the game anymore... Like me for instance. TT_TT) But I would love to have the chance to live it myself. To see how gamers that (hopefully) still own it came to love it. And it might even have a bigger impact with voice overs to see how far Square Enix has come with the whole series as a whole. In other words, it'll be a treat for both old/new gamers and the SE/FF staff and creators.

However I highly doubt FF going to end anytime soon. Just look at what they said about FFXIII, they believe it'll top the sales of FFVII! Which in my opinion would be AMAZING!! Still, this is how I see this: the day they run out of ideas is the day mankind goes mad (like blow themselves up, chaos everywhere kind of 'mad' with the acpolyopsc happening). Other than that, we are amazing humans, especially the creators of FF games. You need a very creative mind and a moving/catching storyline. So, when the day Square Enix (with their FF series) ends would be the day imaginations die, then storytelling (like writers and authors) would be dead too.

There's nothing to it.

Heh heh eh... Sorry, I've just done Hamlet in class and his words are still swirling in my head. So yeah...

As far as remakes go, I'd prefer if they'd remake VI.

Imagine VI with graphics like in FF XIII!

Heck, I would settle for a remake for the PSP with graphics similar to XII.

Just imagine the destruction of the world done in full CGI glory... 8O

I've heard a rumor from some-one my PSN friends list that FF XV was going to the FINAl final fantasy... I highly doubt that though. I don't know why people think that when the creator of final fantasy dies the series will finish. The creator of final fantasy isn't even involved with square enix anymore, If I'm correct (I think I am, I might not be! Will some-one tell me please? ) Also, If the music department ( or any staff, for that matter) leaves they will be able to replace them with some-one just as good, perhaps even better!

Square enix will never run out of stories to tell. Since these stories are imagined by brilliant storytellers, they isn't a limit to the amount of stories they can tell.

The only way Final fantasy will end is if the series stops selling, which is also unlikely for quite a well. In fact, I'm prepared to say I think I will die before the series does ( I'm 16, so that's gonna be quite a while )

Your friend sounds like one of those childish people who makes up rumours for no reason based on nothing.

I've heard a rumor from some-one my PSN friends list that FF XV was going to the FINAl final fantasy... I highly doubt that though. I don't know why people think that when the creator of final fantasy dies the series will finish. The creator of final fantasy isn't even involved with square enix anymore, If I'm correct (I think I am, I might not be! Will some-one tell me please? ) Also, If the music department ( or any staff, for that matter) leaves they will be able to replace them with some-one just as good, perhaps even better!

The creator of FF is Hironobu Sakaguchi, who was fired after the failure of Final Fantasy The Spirits Within. He later quit SE afterwards and started up his new company. Nobuo Uematsu is now a freelancer who still does work for SE, but he's not a full time employee. IMO, there has been a decline in quality of FF games as of late but that's just me.


Square enix will never run out of stories to tell. Since these stories are imagined by brilliant storytellers, they isn't a limit to the amount of stories they can tell.

.... No offense, but you are delusional. Look at Star Ocean The Last Hope and The Last Remnant, mediocre and lacklustre titles. Your above statement shows your fanboyism, that SE does no wrong. The Bouncer says otherwise. According to your claim, there are no other RPG's which are any good, which is incorrect. There are other companies with better storytellers, as more companies are getting involved in the console RPG's. One example, Bioware. I prefer Knights of the Old Republic and Mass Effect over FFX and FFXII, as they have better story/music/characters than the two FF titles I mentioned.


The only way Final fantasy will end is if the series stops selling, which is also unlikely for quite a well. In fact, I'm prepared to say I think I will die before the series does ( I'm 16, so that's gonna be quite a while )

Bold statement. Bold, yet misguided. Nothing last forever and everything does eventually end. As I said above, the lack of quality of recent SE games begs to differ to your statement. This bog addled, deluded fanboy way of thinking is sad. Everything does end eventually. It's a fact of life. The sooner you learn to deal with it and move on, the better.

Square Enix infinite stories to tell? Yeah, that doesn't mean that all they're good.

The creator of FF is Hironobu Sakaguchi, who was fired after the failure of Final Fantasy The Spirits Within. He later quit SE afterwards and started up his new company. Nobuo Uematsu is now a freelancer who still does work for SE, but he's not a full time employee. IMO, there has been a decline in quality of FF games as of late but that's just me.



.... No offense, but you are delusional. Look at Star Ocean The Last Hope and The Last Remnant, mediocre and lacklustre titles. Your above statement shows your fanboyism, that SE does no wrong. The Bouncer says otherwise. According to your claim, there are no other RPG's which are any good, which is incorrect. There are other companies with better storytellers, as more companies are getting involved in the console RPG's. One example, Bioware. I prefer Knights of the Old Republic and Mass Effect over FFX and FFXII, as they have better story/music/characters than the two FF titles I mentioned.

At what point did I say in my post that Se never does any thing wrong? Final Fantasy X-2 Is proof that SE can do things VERY wrong indeed. I also said they had brilliant story writers, not the best ( Although, IMO that is up for debate.) In what way did I say no other RPG's are any good. Sure, I never stated any other RPG's I liked it that post ( BTW, some of the other RPG's I like Pokemon, the elder scrolls and fallout, ) but I never said " All other RPG's suck FF is teh Pwn@ge LOL "

Bold statement. Bold, yet misguided. Nothing last forever and everything does eventually end. As I said above, the lack of quality of recent SE games begs to differ to your statement. This bog addled, deluded fanboy way of thinking is sad. Everything does end eventually. It's a fact of life. The sooner you learn to deal with it and move on, the better.

I didn't say it was never going to end, I merely said it could outlive me. Some believe an entertainment franchise cannot live that long, but, Take Batman, for example. The batman franchise is over 70 years old, meaning it has actually outlived some of it's fans that were around when it first came out. Videogames are a relatively new entertainment product so they haven't yet really been any series to exist for that long but I'm sure they will be ( Can anyone honestly say they imagine the end of Mario? ) and I'm sure Final fantasy has the Potential to go on for decades more. Arguing the quality of SE games has gone down lately does not really prove anything, as this is just an opinion and cannot be considered fact. Some-one else could argue that SE games of late have seriously improved.

I'll admit, I am probably what you could consider an FF fanboy and maybe I am deluded, but I honestly do not think that myself.

Comments in bold

With that XIII the Company is Going down.... the Game more Linear of the History, more linear than a straight line, more linear than the straight line between two points, and with only 20 hrs of game... and the fake promise of the greatest graphics of the History, SE Lied to all of us, The Fans where Used, and is Extrange that Masashi Hamauzu afther the release of the OST of the game left SE...

Check this Out:
http://www.gossipgamers.com/new-and-old-screenshots-comparison-for-final-fantasy-xiii/

What happened with the XIII?

XIII has brilliantly well told story.

For all the people complaining about the linearity, it is exactly the same as FFX.

At what point did I say in my post that Se never does any thing wrong? Final Fantasy X-2 Is proof that SE can do things VERY wrong indeed. I also said they had brilliant story writers, not the best ( Although, IMO that is up for debate.) In what way did I say no other RPG's are any good. Sure, I never stated any other RPG's I liked it that post ( BTW, some of the other RPG's I like Pokemon, the elder scrolls and fallout, ) but I never said " All other RPG's suck FF is teh Pwn@ge LOL "

You may not have said so directly, however it was implied in your post.


I didn't say it was never going to end, I merely said it could outlive me. Some believe an entertainment franchise cannot live that long, but, Take Batman, for example. The batman franchise is over 70 years old, meaning it has actually outlived some of it's fans that were around when it first came out. Videogames are a relatively new entertainment product so they haven't yet really been any series to exist for that long but I'm sure they will be ( Can anyone honestly say they imagine the end of Mario? ) and I'm sure Final fantasy has the Potential to go on for decades more. Arguing the quality of SE games has gone down lately does not really prove anything, as this is just an opinion and cannot be considered fact. Some-one else could argue that SE games of late have seriously improved.

Look for reviews on those games I listed, I'm sure you'll find some which are not 100% glowing for them. There is no such thing as a universally accepted 100% perfect game, as one person's idea of perfection is different from someone else's. You use Batman as an example, and while that is true to a extent, look at how many re-imaginings of Batman have come about, to suck in new viewers. DC comics does that to keep things fresh and to keep the reader base hooked while also bring new readers to them. Same goes for the cartoons, movies and other related media. On one hand you have the re-inventions/rebirth etc of a character, on the other you have the character reinvented so many times, it's nothing like it was originally.

The FF series has changed since the days of the Nintendo Entertainment System, it has grown into SE's title project and their original cashcow, of which they are 'flogging to death' with all the sequels/prequels, spinoffs etc. The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII is proof of that, as is the Ivalice Collection, FFXII and it's spinoffs and so is FFXIII with Versus, Agito and w/e else SE decides to spew out.

The quality of SE games HAS gone downhill since their inception. If you can't see that, then that's probably because you weren't alive at the time of SE's earlier hits, of which I do feel sorry for you. The newer generation of FF fans, have only jumped on board with the PS2 generation of FF games (FFX, X-2 and XII) and they consider them to be the best games ever, and speak in derogatory terms for the earlier FF's in the series, or base every game off of FFVII (Being your typical FFVII fanboy).


I'll admit, I am probably what you could consider an FF fanboy and maybe I am deluded, but I honestly do not think that myself.

Sadly it's not just me, but a lot of other people would probably say the same thing as well, that you ARE a fanboy. I've encountered plenty of 'Nu-wave FF' fans, and they all say that the earlier games would be better with the graphics/systems available now, than back then. What most fanboys fail to understand, those games they refer to were released on the best consoles of that period.

I'm not trying to 'flame' you here (which is probably how it comes across), but also offer a different perspective from what can be perceived by your original post, that you are a SE fanboy, with delusions that SE can do no wrong and are 100% perfect.

When you really think about it, most of the production for major final fantasy titles are mostly directed towards the graphics, which can distract from the more important aspects i.e. story/gameplay. Unfortunately I think with XIII they were devoting most of the time towards graphic development and that's one of the reasons I think it might not be one of the strongest in the series, as it might lack in other areas, although I can't really say yet. I think with this new pattern of spending most of the time developing graphics it will kill the series quicker then it will save it. Graphics aren't everything. It's like a cake, sure the cake looks beautiful and decorative but does it taste good?



Square enix will never run out of stories to tell. Since these stories are imagined by brilliant storytellers, they isn't a limit to the amount of stories they can tell.


While I respect your optimism there, the original minds who did know how to make it work haven't been part of SE for a while, thus a decline in the series recently. Even with the music it's kinda been lackluster. Although there were a few tracks I did like off of XII, it doesn't have that sound like with what Uematsu was able to create. I liked Uematsu a lot, he wasn't afraid to take a chance with different styles and it kinda worked for him. Not to say the series couldn't bounce back with a possible change of staff but even then you're not always guaranteed it will work.

It all depends on point of view, but personally I hold FFXII in one of the highest regards of the whole series. That's with being a fan of FFIV since childhood. The music is perfect and fits the game very nicely, the gameplay is different but very welcome, and the characters aren't as bad as everyone else seems to think. Who says they have to be as "deep" as those of the previous titles? Link has never been a "deep" character either but he's still a gaming icon.

It all depends on point of view, but personally I hold FFXII in one of the highest regards of the whole series. That's with being a fan of FFIV since childhood. The music is perfect and fits the game very nicely, the gameplay is different but very welcome, and the characters aren't as bad as everyone else seems to think. Who says they have to be as "deep" as those of the previous titles? Link has never been a "deep" character either but he's still a gaming icon.

Or maybe they just don't perceive the depthness or appreciate what the objective was in XII...
I tend to defend this title a lot because, for the most pepole it's unavoidable to compare it to the main FF series, mainly because it shares the title.
But I've never felt XII as an FF, with a good reason, it wasn't developed by the regular FF team, it was developed by the Tactics/Old Ivalice team(I say old because the creator is not there anymore).
That's how I always view it.
It's the same, if you like a band's music & there's a change in the members, it's obvious that the compositions won't be the same.

Or maybe they just don't perceive the depthness or appreciate what the objective was in XII...
I tend to defend this title a lot because, for the most pepole it's unavoidable to compare it to the main FF series, mainly because it shares the title.
But I've never felt XII as an FF, with a good reason, it wasn't developed by the regular FF team, it was developed by the Tactics/Old Ivalice team(I say old because the creator is not there anymore).
That's how I always view it.
It's the same, if you like a band's music & there's a change in the members, it's obvious that the compositions won't be the same.

I have to agree with you about FFXII. It seemed to me, that SE borrowed some elements from FFXI or earlier FF's and just banged it all together. As it's part of the Ivalice collection, which wasn't part of the mainstream FF series (First encounter the world of Ivalice in FFT), didn't seem to fit right with the rest.

Definitely FFXII is in a realm of its own–a good one, nontheless. It's not as linear as X was, which is a plus! That was one of my pet peeves about X; it's all just one straight path until you get the airship, and even then it's not much better. There's something just so epic and powerful about FFXII as a whole; I can't quite put my finger on it, but I can honestly rate it as one of my favorite FF games.

Even though I love them all equally.

Definitely FFXII is in a realm of its own–a good one, nontheless. It's not as linear as X was, which is a plus! That was one of my pet peeves about X; it's all just one straight path until you get the airship, and even then it's not much better. There's something just so epic and powerful about FFXII as a whole; I can't quite put my finger on it, but I can honestly rate it as one of my favorite FF games.

Even though I love them all equally.

I agree with XII SE did and amazing Job, is a Masterpiece now is a Epic Game ES has so much to overcome after what they did with XII

see:
On March 16, 2006, Final Fantasy XII became the sixth game to receive a perfect score from the Japanese gaming magazine Famitsu, making it the first Final Fantasy game and the first PlayStation 2 title to do so. It is also the second Yasumi Matsuno title to garner a perfect score, the first being Vagrant Story.

Not that I have anything against the VII but even VII became a perfect Score FF, as XII did.

(Original Source Wkipedia and the Magazines IGN, Famitsu)

The game was praised for its graphics, scenarios, game system, and the freshness it brought to the Final Fantasy series. The game was critically acclaimed by many reviewers outside of Japan even before its release in those territories. It was praised for its seamless transitions between full motion video segments and the in-game engine,[118] and was voted number one for Best Art Style on IGN's weekly Top Ten. Newtype USA named Final Fantasy XII its "Game of the Month" for November 2006, praised the gameplay, graphics, and story, and called it "the best RPG to have been released for any Sony platform".

As You read it, The first FF ever with a perfect Score is XII, thats why the XII is considered as the worst of the saga, I really expected more for the XII for that reason, and the X is best than XIII now...

I respect all your opinions of the XIII, I respect your views for and against XII and in general for all FF, but Must accept the XII is a big step for SE, but with XIII fared badly and will not meet the expectations of fans and critics experts or exceeded their previous work.

(I think, if they would have made Lady GaGa Bad Romance the theme of the game, they had done better, not Leona Lewis lol)

The game was praised for its graphics, scenarios, game system, and the freshness it brought to the Final Fantasy series. The game was critically acclaimed by many reviewers outside of Japan even before its release in those territories. It was praised for its seamless transitions between full motion video segments and the in-game engine,[118] and was voted number one for Best Art Style on IGN's weekly Top Ten. Newtype USA named Final Fantasy XII its "Game of the Month" for November 2006, praised the gameplay, graphics, and story, and called it "the best RPG to have been released for any Sony platform".

As You read it, The first FF ever with a perfect Score is XII, thats why the XII is considered as the worst of the saga, I really expected more for the XII for that reason, and the X is best than XIII now...

While I don't necessarily agree with your enthusiasm about FFXII's greatness, I do disagree with some of what you posted above.

There is no such thing as a universally accepted, 100% perfect game. It doesn't exist. As I've said in other posts here, one person's '100% perfect game' won't be the same as someone else's. Game magazines and gaming websites (due to a bias that the game developer in question does no wrong), 9 times out of 10, will always give glowing reviews and perfect scores (or near perfect scores (9.5/10; 98/100) ), and most often towards games made by bigger and more recognised gaming companies, in comparison to other games.

While that's all very well and good, and yes does influence a lot of people to hand over their hard earned cash for said games... what about all the people who return those games to the stores they bought them from, complaining how bad it is, wish they never bought it etc etc? I've known a few people who've worked in multiple gaming stores, and when FFX came out, they had hundreds of pre-orders.... yet a week or so later, a good percentage of those people returned it to the store they bought it from. Same went for FFX-2 (for obvious reasons imo), Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII and FFXII.

So while gaming sites and magazines may give 'perfect scores' or 'Best game of the month/year awards', it all comes down to the gamer themselves if they think the game is perfect or not.

Yep, Never believe Magazines or expect something from a game because it has high scores.

While I don't necessarily agree with your enthusiasm about FFXII's greatness, I do disagree with some of what you posted above.

There is no such thing as a universally accepted, 100% perfect game. It doesn't exist. As I've said in other posts here, one person's '100% perfect game' won't be the same as someone else's. Game magazines and gaming websites (due to a bias that the game developer in question does no wrong), 9 times out of 10, will always give glowing reviews and perfect scores (or near perfect scores (9.5/10; 98/100) ), and most often towards games made by bigger and more recognised gaming companies, in comparison to other games.

While that's all very well and good, and yes does influence a lot of people to hand over their hard earned cash for said games... what about all the people who return those games to the stores they bought them from, complaining how bad it is, wish they never bought it etc etc? I've known a few people who've worked in multiple gaming stores, and when FFX came out, they had hundreds of pre-orders.... yet a week or so later, a good percentage of those people returned it to the store they bought it from. Same went for FFX-2 (for obvious reasons imo), Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII and FFXII.

So while gaming sites and magazines may give 'perfect scores' or 'Best game of the month/year awards', it all comes down to the gamer themselves if they think the game is perfect or not.

hahaha X-2 and Dirge hahaha XD
yes I only commnet and said what the critics and professionals said about the comparison of XII and XIII as well my Opinion too

In the end All of Us, don't care about what each other is saying each of us have different favorite FF and forever it will be that way, dont go mada bout it, dont fight

Juts have fun!!! and enjoy the Games

:grammar:

*blows life into thread*

A friend of mine was playing Deus Ex and because he knows I'm such a FF-geek he posted this on my FB page recently:

"While playing Deus Ex I stumbled across fake ingame posters for "Final Fantasy XXVII" Thought of ya,
and figured you might like the fact that Square Enix plans to be making Final Fantasy still in the age of cyborgs =P"

Sooo, I guess they're planning on making it for A VERY LONG TIME! ;)

Here's a vid

Deus Ex Human Revolution Easter Egg Final Fantasy XXVII 27 Poster - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE3oHCfQTxk)

Thought all you FF-Fans would like to see it as well, enjoy!

Phoen-IX... stop reviving dead threads. No one wants more Thread Necromancy, so read the date of the last post. If the date is 3 months or older (or in the case of this one, the last post was over two years ago!), then LEAVE IT DEAD. Make another thread instead.

Ugh, thought I'd be getting a: "there's already a thread like this -url- *lock*"-thing thrown at my head.
So that's not the case at this forum? I can just go and post new threads like a mad(wo)man? q; NICE!

(And hey, the name's Phoen-IX. Reviving things is in my nature ROFL.)

To answer:I think final fantasy will die when people get sick of square enix.I am unsure if this will happen soon or not,because people still buy se games.
Obviously,they haven't run out of juice yet,and will continue till it becomes unprofitable to continue.

FFXIII-2 shows promise,so who knows,maybe FFXV will be great.

And although the older generation might grow tired of it, new generations will rise. Under whom willl be people that'll like the new parts, and ignore/dislike the old ones.. sadly.

I think the obvious answer to this question is 'When Square Enix have another huge franchise that they feel will do better than FF, and would therefore rather divert the money to'.

Because to end the series any sooner would be utterly bizarre and self destructive from a business point of view. They generate such huge sums of money from Final Fantasy, and its still one of the only truly global gaming franchises, that there simply isn't any sense in them ending it. Even if interest completely collapsed in the West (which it shows no sign of doing, as both FF13 and 13-2 have been hugely sucessful, moving copies by the shipload), it would still be worth their while so long as their home Eastern markets hold up (and their popularity has never dipped over there).

So like all the other big franchises, it will continue to run and run and run. Franchises that have ever been sucessful never really end. They may skip a few generations from time to time, but they always come back in the end (Prince of Persia, Deus Ex, and even Kid Icarus just flapped his way back into town etc etc). I can't really think of any really huge franchises that have definitively ended. It just makes too much sense to keep bringing them back from a purely business point of view, with reimaginings and reboots etc etc.

Most franchises have a break from time to time, but then again, FF games are (usually) not direct sequels and aren't even in the same worlds, have differen't characters and different systems.

Not quite sure I agree.
The last Grandia game was flop, the last Breathe of Fire game was a flop.No sign of any new versions of those games/series on the horizon.
Its been a while since any new Suikoden game as well.
Some franchises are in trouble and there doesn't seem to be any inspiration out there to revive them imo.

As for FF it's obviously going downhill.I do challenge the notion that FFXIII and XIII-2 were successful. Copies made don't necessarily equate to sales.

I did find a few figures and will post more when I have the time:

The Critical and Commercial failure of Final Fantasy XIII-2 | N4G (http://n4g.com/user/blogpost/keyblademaster/519389)

Yeah; Grandia, Breath of Fire and Suikoden never were as big as FF.

Suikoden was always an Underground Series. Same as BoF.

What suprises me is that there's no announcement for FFXV. And yeah, I agree that I'm not hearing anything about XIII-2.

Kingdom Hearts is Replacing FF in Square-Enix IMO.

That's all that I can say.

Here's a Thread that I made that covers this situation.

Thread 111953

Suikoden 4 was a piece of shit too,that didn't help.
Suikoden 5 was a little better,but people are still pissed about suikoden 4,and its linear levels with stuff crammed in.

I heard bad things about the third intro of the parasite eve:The third birthday.Some complaints like:Its more action than survival horror rpg,and you now control multiple characters at a time.There seems to be a lot of action involved,and shooting.

I'm not convinced,so i'm not buying it.There are bound to be people who hate all games.

Parasite Eve sucks ever since the sequel of the Original.

People had some faith on The 3rd Birthday(Including myself), because it has some more people of the Original team involved. Such us the Music department. And it wasn't going to follow the line of story that PE2 presented but made an alterate story with the same characters involved.

But still they made things even worse when they involved time travelling into the Plot, and completely killing the strength of spirit that the character of Aya had and was turned into another angsty character and that really fucking pissed me off. The gameplay since fairly fun though.

But the sheer disgust to see that franchise go into a complete irredeemable betrayal made me mad and sad, so I couldn't get over it.

Sure PE2 although as disgusting as the storyline was, it had some pretty interesting elements, but those were introduced in the last part of the game and they didn't worked at all.

I disagree.

I thought that the actual element was compelling because of the survival horror.It was a bit on the hard side,but it was creepy at times,and worked really well.

They can just sell Prada and stop making games altogether:

Final Fantasy XIII-2 characters selling Prada - GameSpot.com (http://www.gamespot.com/news/final-fantasy-xiii-2-characters-selling-prada-6369911)

rotfl....

I do agree about Parasite Eve.I think it'll be along time before we see another of those games.

more :

What Will Square Enix Do If FFXIII-2 Is A Sales Failure? - PS3 News (http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/10474.html)

Angry did you play FFXIII-2?

I'm too lazy to go read through 16 pages, but I think it should be mentioned that, along with the complete overhaul of the classic Final Fantasy games, one of the most important things for this issue is that the old school Final Fantasy gamers are adults now and don't have the time, motivation, or interest in playing the new FF games. Before people tell me how they played all the old games and are still playing, just consider that the first FF game came out in 1987, so those who were old enough to play it when it came out are in their thirties. Even the generation younger than them, who got into Final Fantasy through FFVII and VIII are in their twenties. True, the gaming age is pretty high, but I doubt the audience feels the same connection to teenage characters as they once did. I doubt S-E will have trouble selling new installments under the name of one of the biggest gaming franchises, but I know many people my age who are just not interested anymore. Maybe that's a factor of the direction they've been heading, or maybe it's because of our age, but regardless, as long as they keep churning out games that are middle of the road (which by FF standards equates to disappointing to older fans), they're going to be losing to part of their audience. Maybe.

Perhaps that is true olde,for i am no longer interested in teenage characters.

According to some:I shouldn't even be playing videogames by 30.

The day before I strangle myself with a USB connector. :P

I think it would take the death of either the whole genre or the whole medium, or of Squeenix (which to be fair, they've nearly done before)-- although at that point maybe the Gooch would buy up the rights to his creation and release new ones through Mistwalker.
I mean, when does any long running franchise ever really end? It happens in some media like television, where key components like actors leave, but in the absence of anything fixed like that the franchise is never really dead until the company and/or format is, and maybe not even then. Do you think they'll ever stop making Star Trek stuff? Doctor Who? Mario? James Bond? Freakin' Pokemon ( *shudder* ) ?
And for the people hating on the series right now and seeing its potential immortality as a bad thing, I would ask you to consider that as long as it's around it has just as much chance to become what you want it to be again as it does to remain something you dislike, if not more. Different people take creative control over time, trends change, etc. So just assess each entry individually and ignore the branding... doing so might even make you less judgmental of something that you are using the name of as a measuring stick.

I think you bring up some very good points. We have to take a step back and recognize that franchises change dramatically and, so long as there's still an audience for it (or a new potential audience, as in the recent Star Trek movie), there will be business ventures that capitalize on said audiences. Even if Square-Enix goes under, I can imagine a new company buying the rights to FF and taking it in either a new direction or back to the old-school days (perhaps even with the 2D graphics and NES sprites).

What is Final Fantasy? Is it more than a name, a logo, a company, a style, a genre, a plot, a medium? Will there be an audience for Final Fantasy in the distant future? Will there be a period when people stop caring about JRPGs or will it see a revival? Will the company see a drastic increase or decrease in sales? We don't give ourselves enough credit in determining the future of this franchise: the control is in our hands based on the sales figures. If we express interest, they'll keep producing. If we stop buying, they'll stop producing. Right now (as I see it), it seems as though S-E is appealing to a more Japanese style than a more universal appeal, which is dictated by the number of fans, the sales figures, and the amount of positive reviews from Japan. It's possible that S-E will take the franchise to entirely different areas that cater more towards this specific culture or lifestyle. Will it still be Final Fantasy if they tack the name on at the end? That's for all Final Fantasy fans to determine.


I mean, when does any long running franchise ever really end? It happens in some media like television, where key components like actors leave, but in the absence of anything fixed like that the franchise is never really dead until the company and/or format is, and maybe not even then. Do you think they'll ever stop making Star Trek stuff? Doctor Who? Mario? James Bond? Freakin' Pokemon ( *shudder* )?

The problem is that, with the exception of Mario, all that other stuff has much more presence. Star Trek, Doctor Who, James Bond, and Pokemon have movies and/or TV shows as well as video games, which also bring in more fans. While Final Fantasy did make a movie, it was a bust and didn't win any converts. So while your point is well taken, On top of that, there is continuity between them: we're not presented with an entirely new world, entirely new characters, or an entirely new style in each installment of those franchises (James Bond always has gadgets, Star Trek always has space flight, Pokemon always has pokemon battles and catching, etc.). There's consistency. Final Fantasy lacks that consistency because each game is different from every other game. That's probably why they've begun to make sequels (FFX-2, FFXIII-2, FFXII Revenant Wings, Advent Children, Crisis Core, etc.) so that they can better give a lasting impact to the worlds they create. So while your point is well taken, the examples you refer to are markedly different than Final Fantasy, a pretty much strict video game venture that doesn't have a lot of consistency between the installments.

That and the rigidity may have to do with having to decide between full gameplay,and full cgi cutscenes.With the amount of cutscenes they have in their newest entries,it is no wonder why games have become interactive movies.

I personally think that this is a step backwards in some ways.They did fix some problems in FFXIII-2,so i can't really say when the franchise will end.Maybe the next game will be better in my eyes,and i will love it to death,who knows.
They are probably one of the japanese companies who do the best in business.Final fantasy is a big box office hit.

List of best-selling video games - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games)

I don't know how accurate these are.It says that ff7 sold 10 million copies,while there has been a steady decrease ever since ff8,and ff9 is when the sales went down to about 5 million and up.
Says that FF9 sold 5.31 million copies,while FFXI sold 6.6 million copies.And FFXIII is supposedly the lowest of all sales,with only 2.89 million copies.(Ouch)

The problem is that, with the exception of Mario, all that other stuff has much more presence. Star Trek, Doctor Who, James Bond, and Pokemon have movies and/or TV shows as well as video games, which also bring in more fans. While Final Fantasy did make a movie, it was a bust and didn't win any converts. So while your point is well taken, On top of that, there is continuity between them: we're not presented with an entirely new world, entirely new characters, or an entirely new style in each installment of those franchises (James Bond always has gadgets, Star Trek always has space flight, Pokemon always has pokemon battles and catching, etc.). There's consistency. Final Fantasy lacks that consistency because each game is different from every other game. That's probably why they've begun to make sequels (FFX-2, FFXIII-2, FFXII Revenant Wings, Advent Children, Crisis Core, etc.) so that they can better give a lasting impact to the worlds they create. So while your point is well taken, the examples you refer to are markedly different than Final Fantasy, a pretty much strict video game venture that doesn't have a lot of consistency between the installments.

True, a poor choice of examples on my part. One more apt example would be various anthology series. The Twilight Zone and the Outer Limits both have had multiple remakes/relaunches, novel series, comics, and even a movie in Twilight Zone's case, while generally having no connections between episodes. As for the multimedia aspects, it should be noted that, as much as we'd like to forget them, Mario had an animated series and a live-action movie, and Final Fantasy has spawned two anime films/ovas and an anime series in addition to the two cgi movies, not to mention the variety of merchandise released in Japan that never makes it to the west (card games, the countless soundtracks and spin-off cds, collectibles, beverages, etc.).

I suspect that any restraint in multimedia spread for FF (and Mario) is that they started as videogames, which are only recently seeing appreciation in the mainstream as an artform. It's easier for something that starts as a book or film or tv show or even a comic to branch into other areas than it has been for videogames.


I don't know how accurate these are.It says that ff7 sold 10 million copies,while there has been a steady decrease ever since ff8,and ff9 is when the sales went down to about 5 million and up.
Says that FF9 sold 5.31 million copies,while FFXI sold 6.6 million copies.And FFXIII is supposedly the lowest of all sales,with only 2.89 million copies.(Ouch)

There's probably truth in the overall sales decline, though keep in mind that the numbers are affected by the spread of piracy (though I think that probably makes much less of a dent in videogames than it does for the film and music industries) and the nosedive of the economy in the past decade.

I personally have not had much issue with FF13 so far (behind the times, I only recently got it and only just finished chapter 11). I have enjoyed what they did in terms of gameplay, for the most part, though I can certainly see why a lot of people were put off by it. I'm very curious to see the "return to form" that Versus is supposed to embody, which supposedly was also created as a compromise when there was a creative difference in what 13 should be.

FFXIII is easily one of the lowest sales in the final fantasy series,since its become a mainstream.

I am personally surprised ff8 sold so well in comparison to ff9,and i wonder if people didn't buy into ff9 as well because of ff9? or if some of it had to do with it being a return to the roots of the old style rpgs?

It's been my experience that 9 is the least-played on the psx era games, which is a shame- if I had to pick a favorite, that might actually be it.
You're probably right, though, it was probably the homage to the NES/SNES era games, as well as the "cutesy" look some people thought it had.
I also don't know if it received the same marketing in the US that 7 and 8 did. I don't recall ever seeing commercials for it like I did for every other numbered game since 7.

The thing that really made final fantasy for me was Nobuo Uematsu. I love the storylines of the older games that Sakaguchi provided, but the series isn't nearly as good without Nobuo Uematsu.

In my opinion, Final Fantasy X was the last game of the numbered series that isn't a sequel/prequel. X-2 was horrible. XI was an MMO and thus I don't consider it a Final Fantasy game. I thought FFXII was quite mediocre and the only redeeming thing about the game was Gilgamesh. I thought XIII was very mediocre. XIV is also an MMO, so I don't consider it a Final Fantasy game. Final Fantasy XIII-2 was definitely a step in the right direction, and is much better to me than anything after X and is good enough for me to call it a final fantasy game, but it isn't as amazing as 1-10.

I love Uematsu, he was the first vgm composer I got into and remains a favorite, and when he beginning to depart the series I was upset by it, but I nonetheless feel that Sakimoto's Tactics and XII scores and Hamauzu's DoC and XIII scores are quite good, just sometimes in different ways (I think Sakimoto does environmental music as well as Uematsu, easily, but isn't as good with the narrative parts). Ultimately I find that the scores exist very independently of the games (DoC sucks, IMHO)... a bad one will tarnish a good game, but a good one will not save a bad game.

But I'm in a minority in my liking of XII and XIII anyway, so nevermind.

ff13-2 was a great game and hope square can keep it long , also hope for ff10 and ff7 is remade to hd ps3 versions

They won't. The great thing about final fantasy is that they aren't afraid to try new ideas even if they end up wacky like X-2. As long as they pump out new creative ideas, people won't get bored of it, and maybe a new generation of workers will totally change FF, but due to its legacy, the name will remain the same. I hope by the time i retire (im a student so ages away) I can play final fantasy 50 or something. That would be awesome.

Well Final Fantasy is really good, I will be glad check out the new stuff of the FF's. (Like Final Fantasy Versus XIII, or I should say Final Fantasy XV.)

... The stench of fanboyism is strong in this thread...

Hi reaver.

Fanboyism of what games? 7 and X? XIII?

Anyways, i personally found XIII to be absolutely terrible as a game.Its too new also to tell if it will stand up the test of time, but i seriously doubt it would, because the game itself is linear as hell, and took out merchants and towns, two things that are very important.