If you don't like it by now, you're never going to like it. Sorry.

is the new series on in the US yet??

The new series (season) was on and has ended because of the writers' strike.

I never took the strike into account!
So that's why the season felt rushed and rather short.

What sucks is that it's already too late to recover the season of any scripted show 'till next year regardless of whether the strike ends sooner or later. :(

Why do you say that? Please don't make me sad! I'll be so sad if that's true. My life will not be complete without my weekly Heroes fix, I'm already practically dying because it's been months since the writers' strike started! ;-;;

There were grumblings earlier this week that the strike could be ending, but so far there's been nothing else about it. Nobody is certain at this point exactly how soon shows could be back on the air if it were to end right now. But we do know it would be at least several weeks for those shows they choose to salvage.


Oh, and BTW, the term used on this show is "Volume." What we saw at the end of last year was Volume Two. They were planning to follow it up after the winter break with Volume 3: Villains, but obviously, that didn't happen.

right, well "volume" 2, is starting being showed in the UK in april. so a few months yet., i found out today.

I hope volume3 is not all about the villains, I want the story to move forward and not just be all about flashbacks...

Oh, I don't think they would do that. I hope they're not dumb enough to do that. They said they acknowledge their mistakes from Volume 2, so I would think they would know not to do it. No, I think it's going to be about some serious, awesome villain action.

Does anybody know of a good website i can watch volume two. They dont play here in england for months. thanks. :)

If you don't like it by now, you're never going to like it. Sorry.
'k. I couldn't bring myself to like it either. Sorry :(

Does anybody know of a good website i can watch volume two. They dont play here in england for months. thanks. :)

I can only point you to www.rslinks.org which has rapidshare links for the series, and for a dozen other awesome stuff.

Thanks ROKI. I own Volume one. I bought the box-set a while ago. But i need my heroes fix to be new and exiting. Thanks again. :)

I believe they said that season 3 is going to focus on the villains, like season 1 did for the heroes. I saw it somewhere on the internet, but can't remember the site :(.

And I am currently downloading season 2 because 1) I haven't watched all the episodes and 2) too lazy to wait for it to come out on DVD (which is most likely when season 3 airs).

Time to bring this one back, methinks, cause the active Heroes thread is shit.

So, the new season has started and I'm very happy to see that it's exactly what I hoped for and then some. The pacing so far is tight; the plot development is racing ahead at full steam instead of plodding like it did in the previous seasons. I'm still unsure of some of the character arcs, but the central ones are strong enough so far for it to not matter much.

Frankly, all the stuff going on around Nathan has me stumped so far. I can't come up with a single explanation for this phantom Linderman or Ali Larter's new character. I'm looking forward to seeing where that one goes, but I'm reserving judgment because most of the outcomes I can't predict are the worst ones possible.

Claire's arc is pretty dull so far. So she's special somehow. Big whoop. Kring has to try a bit harder than that to make me care.

Parkman is a non-entity at this point and I'm almost wishing he'd just go away. His story needs to bring out a hook fast or he'll become dead weight.

The real star at this point, as far as I'm concerned, is Sylar. His creepiness factor has been ratcheted up and Quinto is doing a fantastic job with his portrayal. I loved his stalking of Claire and seeing a bit more of how his power works. If he actually hooks up with the team of super-crooks on the loose, it could be pretty wild.

And of course, Hiro's arc is looking promising. His little game of tag with the speedster was pure win. The thing that concerns me is the bit about him seeing Ando killing him in the future. I suppose that can come back into play with another visit to the future, but that plot device is becoming a bit overused.

And a random thought: Did it occur to anyone else that in previous seasons of the show, it would have taken three episodes just to see Hiro open the safe?

aw crap prak, now that guy will come in this thread.

yeah, i am so confused with linderman too. i don't think it's really him (dur to me). i think that maybe nathan is compensating for something or for some action he did so he created linderman in his mind. although i can't explain how nathan got healed.

nikki is just going crazy. how the fuck does her power work because now she can freeze? i am really curious to see how this tracy personality works. it seems like it is a combo of both nikki and jessica. also, it was super cool to see her with the band of villains. speaking of, that scene where everyone was dead made my eyes widen. to see claire's head 5 feet away from her body was pretty shocking.

i agree with claire. she's been getting kind of boring. she better get some offensive powers soon, cause i am getting frustrated with her stagnant abilities. it was cool to see her all evil, though.

Parkman was always useless, imo. they never really expanded upon him

sylar is cool, but he's too broken. someone needs to rise up and challenge him (not peter). i am super interested to see how this mya/mohinder thing is going to play out

hiro is getting boring to me. oh, yeah, go through time AGAIN. bug whoop. speedster girl was really interesting though. can't wait to see who she's working for.

FINALLY we got to see what angela's power is. after two damn years of waiting we finally got to see that she has prophetic dreams.

hahaha, yeah, i thought the same thing about the safe thing.

All in all, this was definately what I was looking forward to. It explained the shooting pretty fast. And I almost forgot that Hiro's dad died in the last season.




***SPOILER***(How do you do that fancy spoiler thing?)




So is Sylar a Pettrelli by blood? He does kind of look like the other two.

you do [spoiler ] message[ /spoiler], but without the spaces in the brackets

and no, they are not related. the actors just share a resemblance.

So yeah, the new season got started with a bang last night. I agree with most of what's been said, though I'm not quite as excited by Hiro's plotline yet as Prak (maybe just give me more time), whereas on the other hand, I'm not yet all that disenchanted with Claire's plotline and I think it may get interesting with a bit more time. Matt, in total agreement with everyone-- why is he still around?

Like Prak, I'm quite fascinated by this new character by Ali Larter. Apparently she's some kind of Ice Woman-- but what's her connection with Niki/Jessica-- there's something very weird going on and I'm quite interested to find out what it is. And phantom-Linderman-- woo-ee-oo-- I don't know what his role in the whole thing is, but it can't be good...


Bad news, though-- I read that the ratings are still in the dumper, based on the "fast nationals." Apparently it was down 25% from the last season's premiere and was only third for the night in the coveted 18-49 group.

i just realized maybe it was something the company did to her in last season? cause remember, they did "cure" her split personality or w/e, so maybe they created a new one and gave her a new power?

I'm pretty confident that the Ali Larter character is a new character. The third season picks up right as the second ends. With the information we've been given - the new Ali Larter character has been established with that other governor for quite some time. There's no way she could have been saved from the explosion at the end of the second season - had her minbd wiped - then imbedded in that other governor's staff - while at the same time making everyone in that staff think she was there all along. Also - if that was the first day she was there - what about the reporter who had been doing a story on her? He would of had to have dug up all that information in the span of less than a day.

Now - all these people could have had their memories replaced - that is just a little far fetched - even for this show. Even more so - it would be a cheap gimmick to eat up time like the memory wipe of Peter at the beginning of the second season.

Has anyone else realized that each time they showed Parkman in the desert, an advertisement appeared, of a series called Biggest Loser? :P

Claire is indeed, boring. Its the same thing all over again...

This new Peter character is strange. He can change his shape, but the shape shifter in the series, that girl, was killed by Sylar.

What if Tracy is in fact Jessica, with amnesia? Jessica is Nikki's twin sister, so it could make sense.

And we still have not seen some characters. There is that black girl that can do everything she sees, Mika, Molly, and Parkman's dad.

Also, Hiro's dad talked of someone with purity in blood. That could be Claire, as she is the only "special" among the specials.

Well - Syler has the power - supposedly. All it takes is for Pete to walk by him once (in the 4 years since Syler killed her) and blamo - he got it :) Or - Syler could have never killed her - and it was all a trick on her part.

well, yeah, but if that was the case, then peter would have TONS of powers that he doesn't have now. also, maybe there is another person that has a morphing power?

also, scratch my past theory about nikki. my friends and i were talking and i realized something else that was much more plausible. ok, nikki as nikki was weak, right? she got pushed around and stuff and was meek. then, suddenly, we found out she had jessica who was a strong person both in her personality and in her power. now, we see tracy has the power to freeze, and nikki was stuck in a fire. i think that nikki develops personalities that develop the powers she needs for a situation. she was stuck in a fire so she developed one that could freeze so she could freeze the flames around her and escape. and to relate it to jessica, tracy seems sort of cold, but then again, she's a "business women"-type in politics, so she sort of has to be.

On a note that has not yet been touched on, bringing in Bruce Boxleitner is pretty awesome. Here's hoping he plays a major role.

Who was he? His IMDB doesn't list which character (unless I am missing it). He looks like 'The German' - the guy with Magneto-esque powers.

he's playing the mayor of new york or something. i read it on wiki. i think he was the guy who nikki/tracy is working for

lol, I hate to Spam but I just realized some guy made a thread asking about an insanely popular show... when there was an official discussion thread 12 pages long!

Why are people so relentlessly anal about spam? Sorry - I come from a board background where no one gave a shit if things were "in the right threads" or people "went off topic." Believe it or not - the forums didn't explode.

In any event; to remain on topic - Anyone else think it was funny that Pete was in Francis Capra's body - an actor who was on Veronica Mars with Kristen Bell (El)?

i think her name is spelled elle. and i didn't even notice that (probably cause i never saw veronica mars)

I love heroes, it is a great show that draws you in, and sparks imagination. The story is so wonderful, and has such an amazing premise. However, the show, to me atleast lacks creative character depth. The only character I've ever really appreciated was Hiro, and to a lesser extent Ando. I like Hiro because he's a fanboy, and is pretty much in on the whole joke. Plus, JJBA references and all that are great. But, I've written a clever rant on a different forum, so, all i need is to copy pasta here... but I'll do that later.

Don't sell the other characters so short. We are starting to see a new side of Claire (a change in her that 4 years in the future allows her to shoot Peter). She is becoming less reactionary. Her path down an ideological road is set - a path that will put her against her father.

Now for my exciting copypasta, taking from the Heroes crew on the Newgrounds forum:

Hello, fanatics of the show Heroes, the 3rd season has began and I'd just like to say, it gave me some hope for this series. Thanks to the writers strike, I felt like the 2nd season lacked quite a bit. I mean, it was good, but it didn't do anything to develop the characters, all they did was introduce a couple new heroes, and did fuck all to make any one of them as enjoyable as Hiro. Seriously. The whole reason I started watching Heroes was because of Hiro Nakamura. If the story wasn't as great as it is, and didn't suck me in, I would've stopped long ago. However, seems like Tim Kring is deciding to fucking develop characters. Now, I'll say this, the actors in this show are phenomenal, but other then Hiro, and possibly Ando (who rarely made an appearance up to this point), they don't make me care for them any less. Peter is basically too fucking dry, Nathan does fuck all, Claire though pleasing to look at, is generally unlikable to me as a character because she's emotionally tormented, now that isn't to say that other characters aren't but the fact that it gets to her it's just makes me go "ehhhhhhhhhhh." Suresh... ugh, what a twat. Noah, he seemed cool, but him being obsessive turned me off. Matt Parkman's character who never really grew at all in character development. There were instances, but after that it went back to square-fucking-one. Also, fuck Niki Sanders, the most annoying character on the show, and your can't care for her AT ALL. Oops Jew, you're a part-time mother/ stripper who got into bed with the wrong people (figuratively, and literally).

Now, I have been side tracked with my own personal tangents on this show, let's get down to talking about the season 3 premiere episode. So finally, Tim Kring has started to develop characters or so it seems. Until he falls flat on his face, and lands in a puddle of shit. But he gets up and wipes the specks of dog feces from his shirt. So, did he develop character's a bit more? No. he really only got the ball rolling with Elle to be a better character, and not just a bitch. Everyone except for Hiro and Ando is still the same unlikable bastard. Also, it seems like they're introducing more fucking characters to compensate for shite ones... but since they're new, you can't fucking like them right off the bat. Aside from the characters, the story does get better, and there are lovely twists here and there... well, excluding the cliffhanger ending that was fucking predictable, and you all probably expected it. Nevertheless, all this show can do is get better; maybe not character wise, but it should develop the plot a hellovalot more.

That's all there is to it.

so...uh...i take it you like hiro?

so...uh...i take it you like hiro?

Muchly so. he seems to have the best personality, and the widest character depth. But, to each his own right? Ofcourse, if Rorschach enters the Heroes universe that might change a bit :D

Anyone keeping up to date? Last night's episode didn't let up the break neck pace this season has showed us so far. The only part I am truly upset about:

Nikki is 100% dead. I understand we have the same actor but ... it just seemed like a cheap way to end her story arc and start a new one but keep the actor. I dunno. Anyway - who else laughed at Papa Syler? lol

I like how they're solving all the "what happens to [name]?" questions that left everyone hanging last season. And even though I'm pleased they're focusing more on the 'central characters', I am curious about one other character in particular.

What happened to Caitlin? Peter doesn't seem too troubled.

Also... Sylar! Holy crap! He was so... likeable in the future. I forgot to breathe during the scene where he gets thrown across the room - and when Peter calls out 'Gabriel' just before he blows up. I wonder what will happen now that he has the hunger.

Finally, Adam's entry was totally unexpected (and awesome); I didn't even know what they were trying to get until the very last second. I thought Hiro was digging up his father's grave or something. No idea how he's a vital part in helping Hiro, though - and why would Angela dig him up if she saw him in her nightmare vision-dream? She's weird.

I realized it was Adam they were unearthing, but only because I saw a small spoiler about it. Other than that, I was as surprised as anyone else by the events of this most recent episode, which for some reason I enjoyed quite a bit more than the one before it. I agree, the whole Caitlin thing is weird-- it's like she's been completely forgotten. Claire was deliciously badass in this episode. And Peter, wow-- I hope he really can control Sylar's ability and hope it will prove as useful as Future-Peter thought in helping him to save the world.

hahahahah!!!! my friends and i have been thinking the exact same thing. she was just left in the future, well, the virus future, anyway. and you guys are missing what i think is the most important plot point that revealed last episode. SOME OF THEM HAD THEIR POWERS IMPLANTED!!! this will add a huge dynamic to the show and it will be neat to see who they are and how they were imbued with powers.

i don't think they'd just kill off nikki 100%. i think the guy is gonna make her again. cause she was a clone or something, right? i kind of missed that part/didn't understand.

i lol'd at the sylar thing. imo, he looked and acted really gay.

and yeah, i totally didn't see the adam part coming either

Here's a cute little aside. I was over at Google earlier and I saw that they're doing a thing for their tenth anniversary where you can search their database as it was when they first started out (http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=BrBYMgzXsSMiuI56aggLHxMDoDJHexXa_u7S-CcHZnNkT0IYDEAEYASDBVDgAUNbtrIn-_____wFgyQY&num=1&sig=AGiWqtzCPE78ZN3hYT6mnpFjT4n6xuc7RA&q=http://www.google.com/search2001.html). Since I was thinking of Heroes at the time, I thought it would be fun to run a search for "Sylar" (since the show definitely didn't exist back in 2001.) Back in 2001, a search for "Sylar" got you approximately 600 hits, the top one being a web development company named Sylar Media. Today? Over 2 million hits, the top one being the Heroes character's Wikipedia entry (that web development company is now #4.)

hahahaha, ouch. a fictional character is greater than a company. that's gotta hurt them

Hiro's dad talked about an individual with "purity in blood", that would be the last hope for them if the formula was stolen. I think that would be Adam, thats why they need him.

I always thought that Sylar was not entirely responsible for his actions, and now I'm very pleased with the development of his character.

couldn't it be claire since she's the same?

I was over at Google earlier and I saw that they're doing a thing for their tenth anniversary where you can search their database as it was when they first started out (http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=BrBYMgzXsSMiuI56aggLHxMDoDJHexXa_u7S-CcHZnNkT0IYDEAEYASDBVDgAUNbtrIn-_____wFgyQY&num=1&sig=AGiWqtzCPE78ZN3hYT6mnpFjT4n6xuc7RA&q=http://www.google.com/search2001.html).

This is actually what I've been wanting for a long time. The internet still in its youth and untainted with millions of blogs and lolcats.

couldn't it be claire since she's the same?

Yes, my original guess was Claire (because Sylar mentioned that she was special compared to the others). But what Angela said to Hiro changed my mind. Angela told Hiro that he was their only hope, now that the formula was gone. Hiro was the only one who knew where Adam was buried, and in the next scene they brought him back. I believe that Angela told Hiro to unearth Adam, becase he is the one with pure blood.

As far as we know - he was the first one with powers - so it could go either way. Damn them for being so tricky :)

This is actually what I've been wanting for a long time. The internet still in its youth and untainted with millions of blogs and lolcats.
Oh, I completely feel you on that.

Really? You guys actually didn't see Adam coming? Wow, I saw that coming SOOOOOO FAST! Also, am i the only one thinking "Kill the Haitian you dumb cocks." Also, the whole "Claire can't die" thing is really annoying.

OKAY TIM KRING OR ANYONE ELSE FROM THE HEROES STAFF READING THIS, GIVE ME A JOB AS A WRITER, AND I'LL MAKE YOUR CHARACTERS LESS SHITE!

Other than my cynicism of the characters (even Hiro is acting like a douche a bit). The story is still great. Also, the whole Triplets thing still has me going "METAL GEAR?"

Also, am i the only one thinking "Kill the Haitian you dumb cocks."
Well, maybe, though now that you said it, it makes total sense. He definitely seems like he ought to be a target, especially for those with a villainous nature-- he's the only one (we know of) that actually has the capability to stop peoples' powers cold.

You need limiters in the show. Otherwise - people will become too powerful and overtake the story. You don't need a device like this so much in a movie / book since these stories end relatively quickly - not so much for a television series that is supposed to last for years. The Haitian is perfect since rather than use "the mystery machine" to block people's powers for select scenes - you have an individual with his own motives and prerogative directing how a certain scene can play out. The show won't become "who has control of the mystery machine that blocks people's powers."

As to examples of limits being placed on characters to keep them from becoming to powerful - Pete's amnesia at the start of season 2 / Syler having the "cure." Think of how different the second season would have went if they had control of their powers - they didn't limit it them just for plot intrigue - even though that is a latent function of the choice.

Oh, I can't fault your logic as far as the Haitian's being necessary goes. Still seems to me, though, that anyone with a power like his would have a big, red imaginary target painted on his back.

He could just make em forget that he has the power :)

:) Oh yeah, definitely could. Though only if he has the chance, and only if he knows that they know.

They're just playing by 'comic-book rules' for the Haitian. The only people who would want to kill him are people who KNOW about powers, who would usually HAVE powers, who would usually use those powers as their weapon of CHOICE. But because the Haitian nulls out the powers of others, he's the least vulnerable of the group. Which is why he was sent on important solo missions; and was only ever to be taken out by Mohinder and Ando.

Spam.

In any event - the bump reminded me of the thread.

Has anyone else been watching? Holy shit!

I had some guesses as to who Syler had a kid with in the future but El? The flashback episode border lines retconn but I will let it pass.

what does it retconn?

Nothing. People says that because we didn't know beforehand that there was a connection between the two of them (Sylar and Elle). They call retcon, but the writers have been doing that sort of thing since the beginning. Showing us the present, past and future in alternate manners. It keeps the characters fresh this way and I see no reason to complain about it.

yeah, i don't consider that retconn. i think a retconn is more like, having a character turn evil on their own choice, then in a future installment, reveal that it was really someone else influencing their mind or something. in the example you gve, we knew nothing about their past, so how can retconn something you know nothing about?

EXACTLY! THAT IS WHY WESKER'S BACKGROUND IS NOT RETCONN!

SCORE!!!!!!

- In all seriousness - <3

/me narrows his eyes

touche, guy, touche

I still find it hard to believe Elle just forgave Sylar after he killed her dad, even if the pain is gone.

Which brings me to another point. Sylar claims he doesn't enjoy killing, but I seem to remember him tormenting Elle by turning his gun into gold then trying to cut her head open. And there was really no need to kill Alejandro, was there?

This eclipse thing seems like it could be interesting, but I have the same problem with it that the recapper for the show at Television Without Pity has-- if this eclipse thing supposedly has something to do with their powers-- then what exactly does that have to do with the people whose abilities weren't seen manifesting till, like, the second season, or those whose abilities were created artificially anyway?


BTW, for those who don't know, Heroes let go two of its executive producers -- Jeff Loeb (Leob?) and Jesse Alexander. Apparently they're looking to return more to the character-driven storytelling that defined the first-season. I guess we'll have to see how things go.

God, I wanna kill Tim Kring if Heroes keeps disappointing me. Weed out some of the shitty characters will you?

That'll be the day...

i am glad that matt is being given more development, even if it is a tiny bit. and they wrote out micah which was pretty cool, since he was kinda useless. i just want them to go more into the nikki/tracy thing, because i KNOW they aren't just gonna leave it at "nikki's dead, but wait! there's a girl who looks exactly like her"

I still find it hard to believe Elle just forgave Sylar after he killed her dad, even if the pain is gone.

Which brings me to another point. Sylar claims he doesn't enjoy killing, but I seem to remember him tormenting Elle by turning his gun into gold then trying to cut her head open. And there was really no need to kill Alejandro, was there?

Well, Sylar hated Elle for betraying him. At least that was his reaction when he saw her using her ability.

Also, Sylar seems to need someone to care for, in order to control his hunger. At the beginning it was Elle. After he was betrayed, he started hunting people with abilities. In the first episodes of Heroes, Mohinter finds a tape, in which Saylar is talking to Mohinder's dad, and he tells him "I can't control it. I don't want to.". This shows that he has given up on trying to control his hunger. This conversation takes place after the incident with Elle.
In the current season, Sylar started fighting his hunger when he was accepted by his mother, and later on his father. In the future, Sylar again controls his hunger, and specifies that he does it because of his son.

Sylar has a hunger for knowledge, and because he could not control it, he was driven by it and killed people in order to "understand" them, and the only way that he knew how to do that was by exposing their brain - therefore killing them.