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My name is Frasier Crane.

My name is Frasier Crane.

Oops.

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You are mistaken, my kind sir.

Seriously, I've always wanted to play this game, but for some reason I haven't. I've heard so many glorious things about this game over the years, and I'm still adamant on playing it.

Why can't I find this game in any stores today? It's not that old, is it?

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I never buy anything pre-owned, so I guess I'm gonna have to shell out some extra cash for a new copy on eBay.

It is one of the most boring games ever and (with the exception of the Boss Battle with Lenneth Valkyrie), not worth playing at all.

I wish I could have those hours of my life back, god that story was awful.

I never beat it, but from what I played I agree with Odin.

I never beat it, but from what I played I agree with Odin.

I played about 3 hours of it before realising that I would rather be playing Xenosaga.

I played about 3 hours of it before realising that I would rather be playing Xenosaga.

Well, at least I made it to the first real battle when I played it.

Lol, and somehow Xenosaga is not much similar to SO3 ?_? I'd rather have a drawn out beginning than unreasonably long cut scenes.

TBH, I did not make it very far in this game. AFAIK, I'm nearly to the second disk, and I agree that it moves slowly and can be a bit boring. Compared to SO2, it is a complete disappointment, but I don't think its as bad as some of the earlier posters made it out to be (no offense guys!) The main, playable characters are fun, as are the NPCs you meet along the way. The battle system is fun, just like it was in SO2. I like the graphics, the music especially, and the different worlds/places. And I could read through that dictionary several times over ;(

Then again, I am a tri-ace fan girl, so I am a bit biased.

Yes the beginning of the game is slow (much slower compared to the first Star Oceans) but the game's fun in my opinion. My only real problem with it is the annoying task of trying to get all the battle trophies, as you have to play the game about another three times to get everything. I also didn't like how Fayt's special ability had little to nothing to do with the storyline compared to Maria's and Sophia's (sorry if I ruined anything there) and the fact you spend most of the game running between the three central towns of Elicoor II. Aside from that I think it's a good game.

Unlike some other old time Star Ocean fans I thought the plot twist was interesting although sad. I've only recently been playing the first Star Ocean and got The Second Story off ebay for Christmas (heading to the Mountain Palace to recruit Opera at the moment). Having already watched Star Ocean EX I'm eager to get to the second disc to fill in the holes. Other than that, I'm looking for a translated rom of Blue Sphere. There's supposedly one floating around somewhere out there :-\

tri-Ace has yet to fail me!

This game really isn't worth it in my opinion. A game that can't get itself going and a series that is notorious for doing so is just not worth it when it comes down to it. The 'twist' is almost as brainless as Star Ocean 2's twist, and almost as full as tripe. Now, I'm not 'angry' at this game, or anything, but I think it was a definite disappointment.

The combat was alright. It isn't your average JRPG number-crunching that turns into "Pressing The X Button - The Game of the Movie of the Tedious and Boring Task". However ,it doesn't add enough to the Action-RPG genre to really by considered 'Brilliant'. Devil Summoner Raidou Kuzunoha VS The Soulless Army is a better look at that sort of combat (And an interesting turn for the MegaTen series.). Although Devil Summoner RKVSTSA (Now, THAT'S a mouthful!) is 'simple' in its interface it pulls it off very well and is a deeper system than it looks.

But SO3's story is just too yawn worthy and uninspiring. The art direction, too, is pretty uninspired. I mean, if you're inot 'CHIBI NEKO KAWAII SNIRLAZX" then have at it, but I guess I've been spoiled by good art.

All in all, if anyone can find it for about 10 bucks, go for it. If it's 40-50? Screw it.

this game is good first star ocean game i played one of the best rpgs i bought last year (an i only bought 2) although some of the scenes have way too much talkin in btw does anyone know who done the voice overs in this?

God you guys are relentless. I thought it was one of the best square-enix games next FF7 of corse. Just look at my avatar and username. If you've got get stuck somewhere ultimadream just PM me.

There is another guy called albel_the_wicked on here too, he might be able to help too

Relentless? I just don't like lazy and ugly games.

I'll be the first to admit the voiceovers suck, but at least it has them. and so the story starts out slow.

I really like the battle engine, much better than FFXIIs.

Yeah, the story starts off slow, and it drags you on with it. It's something a movie can get away with, since you don't really have to do much, but a videogame really needs to get you started. And with SO3, it's just tedious.

As for the voices, "At least it has them?". That's like putting the shittiest sauce you've ever tasted all over a steak dinner and when everyone punches your guts on the floor, you tell 'em, "Hey, you ungrateful dago, at least it had sauce!". And then Paulie comes over and kicks you in the stomach while your down.

Having a battle engine better than a Final Fantasy isn't really a huge point, though. Like I said, it's better than your average JRPG, but it just really didn't add anything. I'd give its battle system a 6/10.

Glad I got you to something decent about it...

I've already said it, pay attention. However, it's only good point is pretty much beat on its back by Devil Summoner: Raido Kuzunoha.

say something decent about it

my bad

It is one of the most boring games ever and (with the exception of the Boss Battle with Lenneth Valkyrie), not worth playing at all.

I wish I could have those hours of my life back, god that story was awful.

Lenneth is one of the easiest battles if you know what you're doing. Same with the Ethereal Queen.

Freya was hard. =.=

Yeah, the story starts off slow, and it drags you on with it. It's something a movie can get away with, since you don't really have to do much, but a videogame really needs to get you started. And with SO3, it's just tedious.

As for the voices, "At least it has them?". That's like putting the shittiest sauce you've ever tasted all over a steak dinner and when everyone punches your guts on the floor, you tell 'em, "Hey, you ungrateful dago, at least it had sauce!". And then Paulie comes over and kicks you in the stomach while your down.

Having a battle engine better than a Final Fantasy isn't really a huge point, though. Like I said, it's better than your average JRPG, but it just really didn't add anything. I'd give its battle system a 6/10.

God, I hated Hyda and Vanguard...

Now, for an actual opinion.

Yes, it starts out slow as hell. Yes, it's kinda disappointing compared to 1 and 2.

But hey. It's still a good game, has good characters, I like the battle system (Die turn-base, DIE), a reasonable storyline (I liked the irony of the main character being a die-hard gamer and what happened...), and Elicoor II was fun. (Dragon Brigade soldier are so STUPID.)

I've beat the game completely more than once, including all the bonus dungeons and *shudder* Freya. If nothing else, getting the 10 endings is worth it for playing against them in the Urssa Cave temple. Those cutscenes with Fayt and his end-of-game buddy are funny in there (Luther if you get Fayt's solo ending), especially the Fayt and Albel one.

Star Ocean TTEOT is the first game of the Star Ocean series I have played. I haven't completed it-I have just reached the end of disc1-but I have so far found it a fairly dull affair, the characters just aren't up to scratch, paticularly the main character, Fayt, who with all due respect, must have less personality than a wet sponge. The others too are relatively bland and unoriginal. Cliff and Nel must have been done exactly the same way on about a dozen other RPGs, often better.

Also I know it's been mentioned but the voiceovers really were quite cringeworthy at times. Personally, I always think it's better to do RPGs without voiceovers, but if they must be done, then they should be done right, and SOTTEOT did not achieve this. In many ways the voiceovers make the characters even more drab, and when you've got characters like Fayt in the game, that's the last thing you want. At least you have the option of turning voiceovers off, though the time and money that could potentially have been saved had Square not done them would have been well invested in other areas of the game too.

On the plus side the battle system was quite entertaining, albeit not in the same league as Final Fantasy X-2, and the plot is not too bad to be fair.

I'd give the game about 4, maybe 5 out of 10 overall.

Are you insane, SOTTEoT was good. The battle mechanics were nice the story was good, and it's you're loss the story/characters really take off in disk 2. Also how are the voiceovers cringeworthy, all you have to do is talk, with a minute bit of acting. It was just fine to me.

Are you insane, SOTTEoT was good. The battle mechanics were nice the story was good, and it's you're loss the story/characters really take off in disk 2. Also how are the voiceovers cringeworthy, all you have to do is talk, with a minute bit of acting. It was just fine to me.

I've already said the battles were good and that the plot was decent albeit nothing special. I've also admitted that I haven't completed the game therefore my comments should be taken with a pinch of salt. The voiceovers are awful though. The tone of the characters' voices are frequently either overexaggerated or underexaggerated, while the voices themselves are as unoriginal as the characters. I could have guessed exactly what Cliff would have sounded like without even hearing him talk. Compare them with the ones on FFX/X-2: no comparison. An example of how bad they were can be found right at the game's beginning with that scene where you meet Peppita (?). Frankly, that was one of the most embarrasing scenes I have ever witnessed on a video game, although at least the voiceovers and acting get better as the game progresses. Cringeworthy is definitely the right word to use there.

I'll be more than happy to retract my comments if Disc 2 wows me, but at the moment I'm not that impressed.

You definately need to play disc 2. I really can care less about voice acting seeing as it doesn't discredit the game it just adds to realism, plus in real life it's not like every emotion is shown to perfection, people over exaggurate, and people do underexaggurate, just a thing about being human.

I wasn't talking about the sort of overexaggeration shown in everyday life as such-things such as sarcasm, irony etc. What I am saying is that the tones of voice adopted by the actors go 'over the top' when it isn't needed. This creates bad voiceovers, and to answer your question/observation, in my opinion poor voiceovers detract from the game's atmosphere. Just the same as in a film.

However I will give the game a chance and will get back to you when I eventually finish it.

Are you insane, SOTTEoT was good. The battle mechanics were nice the story was good, and it's you're loss the story/characters really take off in disk 2. Also how are the voiceovers cringeworthy, all you have to do is talk, with a minute bit of acting. It was just fine to me.

I fail to see how possibly the worst plot twist in video game history could make it any good.

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That was nowhere near the worst plot twist, Play Arc the Lad, TOTS the plot twist is what they knew all along. I was like wow thy had to soul search to find out what they already knew? Now the plot twist in SO3, is actually great, wheter they truly "exist". And fighting their creator for the right of controlling their own fate. Seems good to me.

I was okay with the plot twist. It wasn't anything too bad, and some may actually have thought it was pretty neat. I just think is Ashton and his Swords Dance was in the game with him it would've made it better though I gave Fayt the Claude uniform and pretended he was Claude but he didn't have Mirror Slice what the heck was Nel using Mirror Slice for? And that wasn't even he strongest move geez man that is not cool instead I think that Pulse Blast was pretty good just hold on the button DAMAGE UP OH MY and then Nel had Divine Wrath Fayt I forget was it Air Raid or did he have something better ???? I forget I didn't use the other people I think oh maybe I would use that one person Abel was it ??? no I forget but there was something where you could only get 2 of the 3 and I didn't get him one time or did I ??? I forget

The combos where fairly simple and out of all their abilities only 2 were useful (each).

I played the game, but never beat it. The gameplay and story twists totally turned me off, compared to SO2's system, although that story wasn't too much better. The only worthwhile thing for me was listening to Bitter Dance, since I'm a sucker for hard rock-techno songs.

It is one of the most boring games ever and (with the exception of the Boss Battle with Lenneth Valkyrie), not worth playing at all.

I wish I could have those hours of my life back, god that story was awful.

Played for about 10 hours, didnt like the game too much. I ended up selling the game. Its is very boring!!!

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Oooh I remember him fun times fun stuff, he was incredibly hard you should us people with long attacks.

Sorry lag time.

It was an okay game it had a nice plot decent graphics some hot ladies espically if you find the secert 3d fighter game. I also liked how screwy some of the romances could get I screwed up my first play through and got no love but the next one which I will start sometime I will use a guide to set up a get any love I want thing. I like the weapon creation though the complete randomise it had was bad. The battle trophies can be hard to get espically some of the moreadvance ones like beat the last boss in a minute I belive it was.
I liked it but it wasn't the best game I have ever played though. Butif you like the star ocean series its a good sequal though I wish they gave hints about some of the Characters from II to read about or hear.
I aslo agree Fayte's Power wasn't as well used as I would have liked. And how many people have wondered if Maria is Fayte's Sister? I know I did.
And Abel was one of my more favorite characters though once again I screwed up and didn't get him as a memeber. Get Nel and Abel and watch the fight happen. Claire should have been a choice as well it would have been fun to screw with her father's head if she had.

I liked this game ^_^
Liked the concept, the gameplay, the graphics, everything
I did have some problems with the Creator in the end though :/

I alwas put Fayt, Maria and Sophia in my p�rty (hell, that bitch is hard to train :O)

I liked this game ^_^
I alwas put Fayt, Maria and Sophia in my p�rty (hell, that bitch is hard to train :O)

Who sophia? I didn't use her untill I was fighting gabriel celestia, she was level 15 then but when I got to the top of sphere company she was 130-140ish(when I fought lenneth).

hmm yeah, all I meant was that its hard to train her cuz she starts off at lvl 1 v_v

I too enjoyed this game. I'll admit I was ready to stop playing and sell it myself after about 5-7 hours in, but it eventually did pick up and became faar more interesting. I defeated the main story's last boss and got the basic endings, but didn't go through the parts of the tower that you unlock at the very end of the game, or the cave you unlock at that time. But from what I hear it was probably worth it judging from some responses.

Bottom line; there are a lot of awful, unplayable RPG's out there. This is simply not one of them. While I wouldn't put it on a "best games ever" list, I believe this one had a lot going for it, and it IS worth playing IMO. Dare I say I had no problem with the voiceovers either! http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:5jioIGwbCtwr3M:http://economy.bigblog.com.au/js/editor/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-surprised.gif

Still going on this by the way Smarties, just in case you're wondering, but I'm also attempting a brand new assault on FFVI after yesterday's thread in the GFF section. Plus I'm getting FFXII when it comes out next week in the UK, so my full review of the game will have to wait a while longer.

What part you up to?

I too enjoyed this game. I'll admit I was ready to stop playing and sell it myself after about 5-7 hours in, but it eventually did pick up and became faar more interesting. I defeated the main story's last boss and got the basic endings, but didn't go through the parts of the tower that you unlock at the very end of the game, or the cave you unlock at that time. But from what I hear it was probably worth it judging from some responses.

Bottom line; there are a lot of awful, unplayable RPG's out there. This is simply not one of them. While I wouldn't put it on a "best games ever" list, I believe this one had a lot going for it, and it IS worth playing IMO. Dare I say I had no problem with the voiceovers either! http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:5jioIGwbCtwr3M:http://economy.bigblog.com.au/js/editor/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-surprised.gif

Yeah the game is worth playing.....if you're willing to spend all your freetime and about 100 hours trying to complete it. Also, the game get's annoying when you have to do things like invent items such as the Orichalcum and new weapons for your party. It was such a waste of my time.

It's so easy to get awesome weapons/Armor, I mean just hire umm I forgot his name but he has lvl99 Smithing hire him, and get 20 smithing materials the shit you will make will amaze you. I made a lot of money from smithing.

I never said it was hard, I said it was annoying.

How can simplicity be annoying?

It's so easy to get awesome weapons/Armor, I mean just hire umm I forgot his name but he has lvl99 Smithing hire him, and get 20 smithing materials the shit you will make will amaze you. I made a lot of money from smithing.

How did you get boyd!?! he's probably the hardest to get!!! I never got him because I really didn't want to sit and watch the bunny races forever for that stupid bent mystic sword...

Well when you wanted to create new items, you had to make sure you had the right people for the job, you had to find the people needed for whatever item you were creating and you had to meet there needs to hire them. then you had to find tamper around with the values of the item you wanted and you then had to wait till you had a successful invention. You could wind up wasting alot of money just to reate a sword that had 2 more attack points then the one you already had.

But you get a lot of moniez so it was worth it. @ Albel i just visited Gamespot.com, they have a FAQ on everything.

Yea you had alot of money at the end of the game and you could afford to spend it on waiting for inventions to be made. When inventions first come into play, chances are you didn't have enough to waste trying to make something. And then when you get to the point when you have the oppourtunity to make the orichalcum, chances are you still didn't ahve enough money to wait for it to be made, and orichalcum was not cheap, it was like 5000 Fol and you could rarely get it to be made on the first or second try.

That's why you get, Boyd, Gusto and some other smither,to get the highest smithing rate and actually I used to smith my weapons very early in the game.

The item creation process in SO3 is so horribly disappointing compared to SO2's version. Its confusing, not in a way that is impossible to understand, but its difficult to pick up, and its not fun the way SO2's item creation was. It was more tedious than anything.

And recruiting inventors was lame.

And welsh was annoying

I semi enjoyed the Item making but I picked it up early and got REALLY lucky on attempts my third attempt on Alchemy was it? or whatever it was I got orichalcum and got a good sword a little later then I just added it together then did the mod thing that replecats an ability so I had a huge powerful sword that lasted until near the end quite well before I decided to make an even better one when I had more Fol. I lucked so much and when I realized I had I SAVED then did the Moding and saved after each sucessful attempt. so =) but yeah a good stragety for low funds is to save before you make ANYTHING then go to work and if you don't get what you want reset it is time consuming and frustrating but effective for Low fund people.