Most Acomplished-
Which villain in the Final Fantasy series most accomplished his/her objective(s)?
Try and keep it to the main villains. Going off into barely important villains (like Scarlet or Maester Kinoc) will unnecessarily clutter this up.

Most Intelligent-
They demonstrated keen intellect in their schemes.

Most Powerful-
They showed trmenedous power and destructive force...they're basically the one person youwould say would win if all the FF villains fought.

Best Appearance-
They look mighty fine in their outfit...mighty fine. Whether that outfit is elegant, impressive or whatever, you "dig" it.

Best Motivation/Character-
Their depth and story really impressed upon you their reasoning and their feelings and helped you understand them better.

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Least Accomplished-
They didn't do crap.

Least Intelligent-
Give thema dunce cap.

Weakest-
They wouldn't have a prayer of taking on and beating Little Red Riding Hood.

Worst Appearance-
Your eyes bleed simply from glancing at the screen whenever he/she/it is on.

Worst Motives/Character-
Where did they come from and why the hell are they evil?!! I don't get it! Translation: The story absolutely failed to inform you or correctly explain wy a villain is the way he/she/it is.



PLEASE STATE WHY YOU FEEL EACH ANSWER IS RIGHT AND DO USE FACTS TO BACK IT UP.

I haven't played all FF's so just going with what I know and just to post:

Most intelligent: Yu Yevon/Sin for his summoning skills and control over pyreflies which require a great amount of mind power.

Most Powerful: ..Sephiroth; his powers are alien to the planet and are his own unlike Kefka's use of the Gods; while Kuja's are his own, they have an expiration date; Zemus/Zeromus has only a five(?/it's less than the others for sure, but then I guess the scale of HP is just less in IV than the others) digit HP; Sin and Ultimecia are mana not muscle(although Ultimecia is a close match seeing as Sephiroth uses a form of magic, she is bound to it more than him after being switched in the Time Compression mission.)

Best Appearance: If there is a main villain from XII that is a Judge then let it be them, otherwise---Kuja, although some CGs exaggerate feminine countenance, his Trance/(Pheonix hybrid?) form is better taste IMO over Sephiroth leather.

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Least Accomplished: Ultimecia activated a Lunar Cry but we didn't see much desctruction from it..Kuja at least ravaged souls with the Iifa tree and Brahne's armies.

Least Intelligent: I can't say much on Kefka's exploits or lack thereof throughout the game but he seemed pretty whimsical compared to everyone else. Zemus/Zeromus didn't prepare really, just waited for you to dally through the Crystal Cavern and waste him, but he did manipulate King Baron, Golbez, and Kain, and employ Hojo(Edit: i mean uh Professor Lugae!:laugh:) and the Giant of Babel.

Weakest: Sin for sure. The whole process from Sin's Body/Core through Dark Aeons to Jecht was a carousel ride.

Worst Appearance: Zemus/Zeromus. Nasty wraith/extraterrestial look. All blue and ghastly(Pokemon!). Ultimecia was more sophisticated and religiously adorned.

Worst Motives/Character: Zemus/Zeromus. Kefka at least had a summarized background of his role in the empire and its consequences. Zeromus is said to be the embodiment of Zemus' hatred, but what about? But then there's Weiss/Omega and Nero/Genesis from Dirge of Cerberus..



Don't know much about Vegna-Gun/Shuyin either, so it wouldn't be bad if somebody could inlude it, and anything from Ultimania.

Most Acomplished-
Sephiroth. he spent alot of time reading the books in nibelhiem to know what he needed to do. he managed to steal jenova, obtain the black materia, kill the last centra, find the promised land, and summon the meteor.

Most Intelligent-
Sephiroth again. he did do alot of reading in nibelhiem! i was tempted to say shuyin for actually discovering the amazing secret weapon of bevelle.

Most Powerful-
probably kuja. he could do some pretty impressive things like managed to lay waste to terra and to destroy the crytal of life, and therefore destroy ALL LIFE WITH IT!

Best Appearance-
tempted to put seymour guado here. cool hair and contempory dress. if a little on the fat side.

Best Motivation/Character-
Sephiroth had a good motive. believing that his destiny is to continue the jenova legacy, he plans to become the new 'calamity from the skies'. he wants to make his mother proud.

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Least Accomplished-
shuyin didnt do much. 1000 years after his missus is murdered, he manages to hijack the most destructive weapon on the planet, but thats it! hes never able to use the weapon!

Least Intelligent-
kefka never seemed so bright. just another nut whose high with power. he kills many espers just so that he can achieve unmatchable power. doesnt take a genius to devise that plan.

Weakest-
i agree with Arcanine. sin did go down pretty easily. i thought he was supposed to be this amazing invincible monster/ battle armour, but the gang manage to disable it and get inside it! when inside its just a simple task to find and kill an old summoner.

Worst Appearance-
i'd like to say kefka because ff6 is in 2D and is very pixilated!

Worst Motives/Character-
shuyin. he still walks the planet because of his attachment to the world: his hatred at lenne being killed. because he really loved her. he really really loved her! he really really REALLY loved her!!

abit brief but i think i got the point across.

Most Acomplished-
Kefka did manage to become a god.

Most Intelligent-
Kuja, the manipulative bastard.

Most Powerful-
Now that's a tricky one. For mass destruction prior to obtaining some external source of power, the Emperor of Palamecia. (I'm going on storyline, not gameplay) Overall, Kuja. C'mon, he destroyed a friggin' planet.

Best Appearance-
Trance Kuja

Best Motivation/Character-
Kuja. I can really identify with his character.

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Least Accomplished-
Borgen, FFII. If it has to be a major one, Zemus, FFIV.

Least Intelligent-
Ultimecia. Screwing with time never works. :D

Weakest-
From what I've seen and heard, Sin was suprisingly pathetic.

Worst Appearance-
Bhrane *shudders*

Worst Motives/Character-
Sephiroth. Wimpy emo mamma's boy. Chaos and the Emperor are close seconds, but that's mostly due to when the games came out.

Hey, this is a cool thread--sort of like the "best and worst" thread. Neat idea. Anyway.

Most Acomplished-
Easily, Kefka. Calling Sephiroth "accomplished" in comparison to Kefka is just absurd. Kefka pulled off the near-genocide of the Espers, the elimination of Gestahl and Leo, and then used the Statues to take over the world. Compare that to killing ONE Cetra (who was completely defenseless, btw), stealing a not-guarded Jenova from a corporation that can't even stop an attack from a rag-tag AVALANCHE group, and 'possessing' a screwed-up Cloud (which as far as I know, doesn't really get explained) to give him the Black Materia.

Most Intelligent-
Kuja, by far. His timing and manipulation of Queen Brahne was quite genius.

Most Powerful-
Kuja--or at least "Trance Kuja." How do you beat the actual destruction of a planet? Kefka comes in second here, with the Light of Judgement.

Best Appearance-
I liked Garland, circa FFIX. His armor was quite cool.

Best Motivation/Character-
Geez, I sound like a fanboy when I say Kuja here again, but his personality was the most fleshed-out of the bunch, and his motivation actually makes sense, given his character.

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Least Accomplished-
Ultimecia. Everybody she possesses, you kick the crap out of (save Rinoa), and when she actually achieves Time Compression (which only happens because the party makes it so), she gets the crap kicked out of her.

Least Intelligent-
This is a tie between Sephiroth and Ultimecia. The most intelligent thing Sephiroth does is a bunch of research. Other than that, his plan is to practically destroy the Planet so he can rule it? Hey, yeah, great plan, genius. If you succeed, you rule practically NOTHING. Ultimecia can barely speak passable English, and her plan is hardly any better. Achieve Time Compression so you can't die? And enjoy life in a castle full of high-level monsters? Yeah, bright.

Weakest-
Sephy. He's a terrible swordsman (see below), and spends most of the game hiding behind his mommy.

Worst Appearance-
Tie: X-Death and Sephiroth. On one hand, you have a baddie, whose true form is a freaking tree, and on the other hand, you have a villain who's either a emo-tard or a Drizzt-wannabe, with a stupidly long sword, which only good for a few stabs against mostly (or completely) defenseless folks.

Worst Motives/Character-
Ultimecia. 'Nuff said.

Most Acomplished-
Kefka or Kuja. Both demonstrated an utter disregard for suffering and take my top two spots for villains.

Most Intelligent-
Probably Kefka. He pretty much succeeded with his plan. The only mistake was that he didn't really try to have us killed early enough.

Most Powerful-
Kefka or Kuja again. Kefka rrarranged the planet killed lots of people and did do with a flick of his pinky. Kuja ruined a planet (mabye destroyed it, mabye not) and put on a mighty good show doing so.

Best Appearance-
Either Ex-Death, Kefka, or Kuja. Ex-Death's armor is pretty cool. Kefka and his clown suit are irreplaceable in my mind, no matter how off they seemed. And Kuja's outfit was memorable to say the least. Not that I would really want to try it on or anything.

Best Motivation/Character-
Probably Kuja. Although Kefka was explained, his reasons were a little weak to tell the truth. Kuja's motivations were a little clearer and more reasonable, but then again, do you really need a reason to slaughter droves of innocent bystanders? I can't really decide.

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Least Accomplished-
I'd have to give that one to Chaos. He really didn't do shit to anyone.

Least Intelligent-
Definately Sephiroth. I can't explain it. Typing it just felt right.

Weakest-
Sephiroth. No explanation needed. Correct?

Worst Appearance-
I have to give this to Ultimecia. She had a terrible outfit. Never liked it, never will. It was just ugly.

Worst Motives/Character-
Sephiroth. Mother complex + overly large sword = video game villain.

Most Intelligent
Garland. He almost suceed his plan but he made the mistake to trust kija too much.

Most Powerful
Kuja. He destroyed a planet damn it!

Best Appearance
Kefka. He is crazy and his outfit proves it!

Best Motivation/Character
Queen Brahne. She wanted power, but she was not turned insame (like kefka). I think she is the best to fit here.

Least Accomplished-
I'd have to give that one to Chaos. He really didn't do shit to anyone.


Either you mean Chaos from Sonic Adventure or you're saying Chaos which was hosted by Vincent didn't serve its purpose in paving the way for Omega (the main villain in Dirge of Cerberus)?

I forgot to include most accomplished: Shuyin because his first aim was to stop Zanarkand from warring by commandeering Vegnagun, then second was to possess a body for his second attempt at Vegnagun and destroy the world so that Spira would know his pain and not threaten his way of life again. I don't think the game shows what happens to New Yevon or anything but as far as his first goal, Bevelle was Zanarkands current enemy and became a lesser effort in X's march against Sin/Seymour, although that didn't fix losing a soul mate.
-----------But as far as expressing his pain and putting the world in a vulnerable state he may have accomplished his intent to put into perspective the bad things war can bring if it gets carried away.
-------------And the planet Kuja destroyed was already dead as far as intelligent life. The genomes were just tools that may have had some semblance of a soul judging from the slight attitude adjustment on Mikoto from Zidane and Kuja's actions, but overall were just there to revive a near-death and already accomplished civilization (Oeilvert/Gulug Stone/wall of faces/holographic records/Invincible/engineered life preservation).

I'm saying Chaos from Final Fantasy I. My memory is a little fuzzy, but I don't remember him doing much of anything.

arrr...Happy Turkey day.

My memory is a little fuzzy, but I don't remember him doing much of anything.

No, but the plan was sound. "And I would've gotten away with it, if it weren't for those meddling kids!!"

...and 'possessing' a screwed-up Cloud (which as far as I know, doesn't really get explained) to give him the Black Materia.

I believe Sephiroth's ability to possess is due to his strong connection with "The Calamity from the Sky"/Jenova whose cells were used in experimentation by Hojo in a selected group of SOLDIER, including Cloud.


Least Accomplished-
Ultimecia. Everybody she possesses, you kick the crap out of (save Rinoa), and when she actually achieves Time Compression (which only happens because the party makes it so), she gets the crap kicked out of her.

So Adel was a piece of cake for you eh? What did you gameshark to the end? Or just level to 100 at first availability of the Closest to Heaven/Hell Isles?


...you have a villain who's either a emo-tard or a Drizzt-wannabe, with a stupidly long sword, which only good for a few stabs against mostly (or completely) defenseless folks.

Yeah President Shinra had his share as well but was that dragon that whomped on Cloud in the Cloud/Sephiroth party/battle in the first flashback of Nibelheim just a defensless passerby? And the Bola piked in the swamp by the Chocobo ranch? Actually somebody in Juno or Fort Condor or the entrance to the cave or Kalm or a tenant of the Chocobo Stables (yeah can't remember) said that a man in a black cape with a number tattoo killed the snake..that's a clone, not Sephiroth????

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Also forgot Least Accomplished: Zeromus/Zemus. Might as well have just been trying to get Cecil and Rosa to notice eachother like the rest of the characters. He did destroy a summoner town through King Baron (hey that sounds like Madain Sari getting torched by the invincible..not very original Square..but good connection to the classics). The Leviathan swallowing Cid's sailing ship wasn't Zemus' doing. The Giant of Babel didn't take ten steps from the underground before getting a bad case of Cecil & company-itous. Professor Lugae did ransack Eblan, and King Baron actually sent the Red Wings to every major town for those crystals...but that's not the world. Ultimecia ftw.

I believe Sephiroth's ability to possess is due to his strong connection with "The Calamity from the Sky"/Jenova whose cells were used in experimentation by Hojo in a selected group of SOLDIER, including Cloud.

So...in that case, it was Jenova, and not really Sephy at all.


So Adel was a piece of cake for you eh? What did you gameshark to the end? Or just level to 100 at first availability of the Closest to Heaven/Hell Isles?

Just because you didn't have brains enough to completely break FFVIII's system doesn't mean others don't. :rolleyes:


Yeah President Shinra had his share as well but was that dragon that whomped on Cloud in the Cloud/Sephiroth party/battle in the first flashback of Nibelheim just a defensless passerby? And the Bola piked in the swamp by the Chocobo ranch? Actually somebody in Juno or Fort Condor or the entrance to the cave or Kalm or a tenant of the Chocobo Stables (yeah can't remember) said that a man in a black cape with a number tattoo killed the snake..that's a clone, not Sephiroth????

And you know that Sephy used his sword on the Zolom? And because you had the option to use "Attack," automatically means he cleaved the dragon? With that dislogic, I can just as easily say that he used magic because you have the "Magic" option. Fail.


Ultimecia ftl.

Fix'd.

So...in that case, it was Jenova, and not really Sephy at all.

Actually, because Sephiroth was infused with Jenova cells before he was born, he gained Jenova's abilities, including the ability to control Jenova cells or anybody with Jenova cells in them a.k.a. Cloud.


And you know that Sephy used his sword on the Zolom? And because you had the option to use "Attack," automatically means he cleaved the dragon? With that dislogic, I can just as easily say that he used magic because you have the "Magic" option. Fail.


There's a cut-scene before you enter the cave where the Zolom is impaled on a sword. Also, Sephiroth clearly attacks the dragon using his sword, not magic. Fail.

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Most Acomplished-
None, since they were all defeated in the end;-) But Kefka did destroy the world, and Sin hung around for 1000 years

Most Intelligent-
Garland (IX)

Most Powerful-
Probably Sephiroth (unlike Kefka and Kuja, he killed off a main character)

Best Appearance-
Pass.

Best Motivation/Character-
Kuja - had a really deep character, imo.

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Least Accomplished-
Zemus (IV)

Least Intelligent-
Sephiroth. Shoulda killed Cloud when he had the chance

Weakest-
Ultimecia, since she gets her ass kicked all the time.

Worst Appearance-
Kefka - please don't send in the clowns.

Worst Motives/Character-
Shuyin. I'd be peeved if they killed my girlfriend, but I'd stop short of destroying the world.

Kuja killed the entire party with Ultima at the end and then brought them back to life after they fought Necron. Which gives him 1 Win 1 Draw record against the party whereas Seph is about 0-4.

Just for the record, the notion that the party dies before fighting Necron is debatable at the very least.

Most Acomplished-
Kefka, for aforementioned reasons.

Most Intelligent-
Pretty hard to call. I’ll go with Sephiroth, simply because he was exposed to the knowledge of thousands of generations, thus should theoretically be the most intelligent. Theoretically.

Most Powerful-
Either Kuja, ExDeath or Kefka. Kuja for destroying Terra, ExDeath for fucking everyone over with the power of void and Kefka for ‘destroying’ the world.

Best Appearance-
Seymour Guardo: Seymour Natus = <3. Kefka and Sephiroth’s angel forms were pretty awesome too.

Best Motivation/Character-
I’ve always been a fan of Seymour’s motivations. Nihilism, sadism and revenge are pretty much the best combination ever.

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Least Accomplished-
Garland (FFI). He dies, goes back in time and dies again. Awesome.

Least Intelligent-
Garlend once again, pre-Chaos at least. His plan to achieve immortality…really made no sense.

Weakest-
Shuyin is pretty fuXX0red without a host right up until the end. Same deal with Sephiroth, but at least he was physically quite strong when you fight him/pre-crystallization.

Worst Appearance-
Shuyin. Doppelgangers don’t really do anything for me.

Worst Motives/Character-
Ultimecia. It’s pretty much impossible to put any concrete motivation together for her other than ‘she’s a bitch’.

There's a cut-scene before you enter the cave where the Zolom is impaled on a sword. Also, Sephiroth clearly attacks the dragon using his sword, not magic. Fail.

Except for the fact that the Zolom is shish-kabobbed on a tree. Go see the scene again--if you think that's a sword, then you're dumber than I thought. And you know Sephy attacks the dragon with his ZOMG SORD just how? Nice try, doing the whole mocking "fail" thing, except you totally botched it.


Most Powerful-
Probably Sephiroth (unlike Kefka and Kuja, he killed off a main character)

So a backstab on a praying flower girl makes Sephy somehow more powerful than a character who actually took over the world and became a demi-god or another who totally wiped out another world with a single spell? Yeah...riiiiight. :rolleyes:

edit: I think it's kind of humorous that nobody attacked me for bashing on his appearance, but rather came after me for daring to call Sephy an inferior swordsman, citing a couple of backstabs and non-proof to back their point.

Except for the fact that the Zolom is shish-kabobbed on a tree. Go see the scene again--if you think that's a sword, then you're dumber than I thought. And you know Sephy attacks the dragon with his ZOMG SORD just how? Nice try, doing the whole mocking "fail" thing, except you totally botched it.

1) My mistake. Who stuck the Zolom on that tree, though?
2) What is a SORD? Seriously, learn to spell. If you edited your post, but didn't fix that, you're dumber than I thought.
3) In the mock battle, Sephiroth uses his sword to attack the dragon. You see him approach, the dragon and swing his sword.



So a backstab on a praying flower girl makes Sephy somehow more powerful than a character who actually took over the world and became a demi-god or another who totally wiped out another world with a single spell? Yeah...riiiiight. :rolleyes:

I was being ironic. Thanks to the game script which required Aerith to die, Sephiroth managed to render one main character unplayable, something which Kefka and Kuja cannot do, capice? BTW, you're confusing Most Accomplished with Most Powerful. Kuja's destruction of the decaying planet of Terra is at least equalled by a single spell used by Sephiroth: Meteor.
Meteor > Trance Kuja, and but unfortunately for Meteor, Holy > Meteor. Kefka, similarly, succeeded in becoming a demi-god, but Sephiroth was planning to become a full-god. Not to mention;

his powers are alien to the planet and are his own unlike Kefka's use of the Gods; while Kuja's are his own, they have an expiration date;
If, as The Anti-Existence said, all the FF villains were fighting, assuming they had completed all their plans, Sephiroth would win.


edit: I think it's kind of humorous that nobody attacked me for bashing on his appearance, but rather came after me for daring to call Sephy an inferior swordsman, citing a couple of backstabs and non-proof to back their point.

OK, how about this... Kuja is a transvestite. It's not true, but neither is the claim that Sephiroth is an emo-tard.

[quote]his powers are alien to the planet and are his own unlike Kefka's use of the Gods; while Kuja's are his own, they have an expiration date;[/qoote]

First off, most of his abilities are the powers of the Lifestream mixed with jenova cells. Jenova, for instance, could not cast magic. Sephiroth can and without materia. However, through jenova Cells and her power, he can do things like constantly remake himself as the Jenova Cell's regenerative properties mixed with his will allow him to "revive" himself and uncertain amount of times. more than likely you can kill him but who knows or cares. 2 lifetimes he's had and he still hasn't come close to doing as much as Kefka or Kuja.

He would have control of one planet. Kuja has destroyed a planet with his own power expanded by the souls in the Invincible. So, while his life may expire (not his powers) he can easily destroy the planet before that occurs. I mean, seriously. Jenova struck the planet 2000 years ago and the Planet STILL hasn't fully healed it yet. What's it gonna do to Trance Kuja?



Sephiroth's character and powers are both pathetically weak. His motivations don't add up and are a giant plothole. His power is rather weak as his powers would only apply to the Planet and why that' sall well and good, if you can travel from one planet to another as Kuja did and have the strength to destroy one of them and then the strength to destroy the source of existence and cross dimensions....you are 100000 classes above a guy who used a big rock and failed.

2) What is a SORD? Seriously, learn to spell. If you edited your post, but didn't fix that, you're dumber than I thought.

Ahahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You seriously lack the ability to detect humour, don't you?


OK, how about this... Kuja is a transvestite. It's not true, but neither is the claim that Sephiroth is an emo-tard.

Oh but Kuja IS a transvestite, some may even say that he's an FtM transsexual or maybe sexless, but it doesn't make him any less awesome.

1) My mistake. Who stuck the Zolom on that tree, though?
2) What is a SORD? Seriously, learn to spell. If you edited your post, but didn't fix that, you're dumber than I thought.
3) In the mock battle, Sephiroth uses his sword to attack the dragon. You see him approach, the dragon and swing his sword.

1) I never said Sephy didn't. Doesn't make him some uber-swordsman. Doesn't make him an uber-anything, seeing as the party can defeat a Zolom at level 25 (maybe even soon).

2) Has anyone told you that you completely suck at humor and wit? I mean, when you tried my line on me the first time, it was bad enough. This time, it's just pathetic. Run o'the mill fankid, I suppose.

3) As I recall (and seeing how you couldn't even remember the most graphic scene in the game, my memory > yours), Sephy could also cast magic in that battle. In fact, I believe I had him use Ice 2 last time I played through. So your claim proves absolutely nothing.


I was being ironic. Thanks to the game script which required Aerith to die, Sephiroth managed to render one main character unplayable, something which Kefka and Kuja cannot do, capice?

No, you were being a stupid fankid and you're backtracking after I pointed it out. You completely missed my obvious irony (it was in caps!), so claiming to be ironic a couple paragraphs later is disingenuous at best.


BTW, you're confusing Most Accomplished with Most Powerful. Kuja's destruction of the decaying planet of Terra is at least equalled by a single spell used by Sephiroth: Meteor.
Meteor > Trance Kuja, and but unfortunately for Meteor, Holy > Meteor. Kefka, similarly, succeeded in becoming a demi-god, but Sephiroth was planning to become a full-god. Not to mention;

Wow, you're really good at getting stuff wrong. I'm not even a fankid and I know Holy wound up helping Meteor. It was the Lifestream that stopped Meteor. I fail to see how Meteor > Trance Kuja when TK actually could destroy a planet. Even with Holy's help, Meteor only managed to muck up Midgar for a couple of years.


If, as The Anti-Existence said, all the FF villains were fighting, assuming they had completed all their plans, Sephiroth would win.

The Anti_Existence said nothing about that really large assumption about the villains completing their plans. Good job in putting words in his mouth. :rolleyes: You're going to have a hard time backing up the notion that Sephy would win, seeing as he's 0 for 2 against the likes of Cloud. Kefka killed both Leo and Gestahl in single combat. And Kuja...well, we've been over what he's done several times.


OK, how about this... Kuja is a transvestite. It's not true, but neither is the claim that Sephiroth is an emo-tard.

Oh, riiiight. Because you said so, it's automatically true. Nevermind the all-black outfit, the huge boots, the silver hair...anyway, even if you managed to somehow prove me wrong here, the fact remains that he's a blatnant Drizzt wanna-be, and that's only a shade less crapalicious.

The Anti_Existence said nothing about that really large assumption about the villains completing their plans. Good job in putting words in his mouth

The idea of anything of his in my mouth makes my skin crawl....


Oh, riiiight. Because you said so, it's automatically true. Nevermind the all-black outfit, the huge boots, the silver hair...anyway, even if you managed to somehow prove me wrong here, the fact remains that he's a blatnant Drizzt wanna-be, and that's only a shade less crapalicious.[/quote]

Don't sweat the dumb n00bs, man. We all know who's King.

Don't sweat the dumb n00bs, man. We all know who's King.

That's right, brrrother!! XD

3)As I recall....
In the ps version you can't control sephy, you must have the pc version, try not to confuse. And that battle scene was a battle, which should be a little easier to remember than some still, if you're brain isn't wired autistically.


And about Sephiroth vs Kuja:

Sephiroth has complete control over the powers given to him and are his permanently as it is inside/part of his body. Sephiroth obviously treasures theatrics more than Kuja since he uses the Meteor instead of his own god-given strength. Because if a summon or Weapon has enough energy to lay waste to a large area on the planet (Bahamut ZERO-point of directed attack from space:enemy in a battle)/Ultima Weapon-cosmo canyon area) Sephiroth should have no problem. Kuja just lost it because he didn't have all the time in the world to play with his power or a planet. Sephiroth does have the time, and does play.
Saiyans from Dragon Ball all have energy to waste a planet, looking at how weak Vegeta was in Dragonball, but they struggle to only destroy a current, single enemy in DBZ.
--------------And again the planet he did destroy wasn't of pertinent value; what need does unindustrial Gaia have with such power? And if there is such need they would need to sacrifice their planet to revive the people who knew how to use it, because Garland sure wasn't going to oblige, much less the mindless Genomes.

Worst Appearance: Kefka. I really dont know people rate seph or anyone for that matter lower in appearance than kefka. "Drizzt wannabe>Transvestite Clown

Because while the outfit is comical and evil clowns seem to push that deeply rooted fear button we all have. Sephiroth's outfit is plain boring.

Because while the outfit is comical and evil clowns seem to push that deeply rooted fear button we all have. Sephiroth's outfit is plain boring.

That's a fair enough defense. I really do think sephiroth manages to pull off that look though. No doubt if anyone else tried it they'd look like a fag. That being said, Fuck you, Hot Topic.

In the ps version you can't control sephy, you must have the pc version, try not to confuse. And that battle scene was a battle, which should be a little easier to remember than some still, if you're brain isn't wired autistically.

Wrong. I've never touched the PC version. For all the FFVII-worship you fankids do, one would think you'd have your facts straight.


Sephiroth has complete control over the powers given to him and are his permanently as it is inside/part of his body. Sephiroth obviously treasures theatrics more than Kuja since he uses the Meteor instead of his own god-given strength.

Wrong on pretty much all counts. Sephy needed a Black Materia to summon Meteor, so it's obviously not his power to begin with. I have a hard time seeing how Sephy treasures theatrics (especially more than Kuja), when Kuja saw his entire plot as a three-act play. Not that their theatrics (or lack thereof) has anything to do with their strength. Also, the entire point of Trance is to release one's latent powers, so what you said is far more applicable to Kuja than Sephy.


Because if a summon or Weapon has enough energy to lay waste to a large area on the planet (Bahamut ZERO-point of directed attack from space:enemy in a battle)/Ultima Weapon-cosmo canyon area) Sephiroth should have no problem. Kuja just lost it because he didn't have all the time in the world to play with his power or a planet. Sephiroth does have the time, and does play.

Okay, that made almost no sense whatsoever. I think you're trying to say that if Bahamut ZERO can scar the land, then Sephy (in theory) should have no problem? Well, seeing as everything goes right back to normal immediately after a BZERO summoning, your point holds no water. Same goes with Sephy's stupid SuperNova attack. The planets go right back to normal, as they blow up again each time he casts the spell.


Saiyans from Dragon Ball all have energy to waste a planet, looking at how weak Vegeta was in Dragonball, but they struggle to only destroy a current, single enemy in DBZ.

That would almost be a decent point, except for the minor fact that DBZ has nothing to do with FF. Nice one, Einstein.



--------------And again the planet he did destroy wasn't of pertinent value; what need does unindustrial Gaia have with such power? And if there is such need they would need to sacrifice their planet to revive the people who knew how to use it, because Garland sure wasn't going to oblige, much less the mindless Genomes.

More nonsense--par for the course for you, though. Since when did a planet's supposed "worth" have to do with anything? Also, your facts are (yet again) screwed up, as the Genomes weren't mindless.

They were soulless. Like Hitler. And Mike Tyson.

And Garland said' Terra's final revival and restoration was imminent with the assimilation of Gaia so the planet wasn't in completely dire straits to use a phrase I don't think I spelled right.

Wrong. I've never touched the PC version. For all the FFVII-worship you fankids do, one would think you'd have your facts straight.

Whoa... that's the pot calling the kettle black. All your posts are reminiscent of a FFVI/FFIX fankid who's so pissed off at FFVII for being different to most of the series that he tries to find fault in everything in it.


That would almost be a decent point, except for the minor fact that DBZ has nothing to do with FF. Nice one, Einstein.

I may be wrong, but technically, apart from being made by the same company, a few of the same themes and a similar name, most of the FF series has nothing to do with each other. (Except for FFX and FFX-2). Therefore, it is a decent point.


More nonsense--par for the course for you, though. Since when did a planet's supposed "worth" have to do with anything? Also, your facts are (yet again) screwed up, as the Genomes weren't mindless.

The Genomes might not be mindless, but they put up much less of a fight than the Lifestream and Cloud did. I'm not disputing your points, Kuja is very powerful, I'm just giving my personal opinion. If my arguments have offended you, I'm sorry, I was just trying to participate in the discussion.



Sephiroth's character and powers are both pathetically weak. His motivations don't add up and are a giant plothole. His power is rather weak as his powers would only apply to the Planet and why that's all well and good, if you can travel from one planet to another as Kuja did and have the strength to destroy one of them and then the strength to destroy the source of existence and cross dimensions....you are 100000 classes above a guy who used a big rock and failed.

If that's your attitude, why did you bother making this thread? Why not just type ZOMG KUJA IS DA BOMB!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!! so I can work out what you're trying to say?


Ahahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You seriously lack the ability to detect humour, don't you?
Since when does misspelling words and fucking up the English language count as humour? If being stupid is the best you can do in order to be funny, then maybe comedy isn't the genre for you.

If that's your attitude, why did you bother making this thread? Why not just type ZOMG KUJA IS DA BOMB!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!! so I can work out what you're trying to say?

Well, I didn't write that because, while I have written quite a few essays on why Kuja is great all using quotations and proof from the game to support his amazing character, I still have not grown tired of speaking in an intelligent manner. Kuja is da bomb but he is da bomb for reasons I have shown multiple times.

Whoa... that's the pot calling the kettle black. All your posts are reminiscent of a FFVI/FFIX fankid who's so pissed off at FFVII for being different to most of the series that he tries to find fault in everything in it.

Of course, if you actually knew what made a fankid, you'd understand how stupid that remark is. But that's all beside the point, seeing as you said nothing about Arcanine's inability to get his facts straight. Besides, if you'd actually read some of my posts, you'd see just how wrong your baseless assumption is.


I may be wrong, but technically, apart from being made by the same company, a few of the same themes and a similar name, most of the FF series has nothing to do with each other. (Except for FFX and FFX-2). Therefore, it is a decent point.

Uh. No. Following your dislogic, this entire discussion is moot, as there'd be no way to compare anything between games. But to answer that non-point, yeah, the games in the FF series have quite a bit to do with one another. Characters, magics, summons, heck, even entire species (chocobos) and sentient races (moogles) are common to many FF's.


The Genomes might not be mindless, but they put up much less of a fight than the Lifestream and Cloud did.

Hey, finally! You have a decent point. However, the Genomes weren't even given a chance to fight back, as Kuja went into his Trance, and boom! There goes the neighborhood. Sephy put a gigantic sign in the sky saying he was trying to blow up the Planet. At any rate, Holy helped Meteor rather than hindered it, and it still couldn't do much damage.


I'm not disputing your points...

Except that's what you were doing to begin with.


If being stupid is the best you can do in order to be funny, then maybe comedy isn't the genre for you.

Like I said earlier, if you knew what made a fankid, you would have seen the humor in that.

Chunky PM'ed me about Terra and the status of the planet. He correctly recalled a mention of how the planet was in stasis. I just felt this should be shown to everyone. It's from when you visit Deilvert and go into teh room with the faces.

"After four tremendous sacrifices, eternal prosperity seemed within reach...
Flora and fauna were revived, but...is still in stasis. Final results...are still pending..."

I'm guessing the sacrificies they mention are planets assimilated as they remark that Terra has asorbed other planets in the past. So, yes, the planet wasn't completely healthy but it's also not a lifeless chunk of rock.