The Anti-Existence
11-14-2006, 07:00 PM
Discuss and present your viewpoint on who you believe was the worst main antagonist of any FF. Note: Sin is NOT a villain. Was made clear by the Fayth that Yu Yevon had no malicious inclinations whatsoever. So, use Seymour as the main antagonist.
Now my choice is Shuyin of Final Fantasy X-2. It is not because I detested the game- it�s possibly the main reason I detested the game. I enjoy a marvelous villain who can really impress upon me how innovative in character and diabolical in intent and, sadly, Shuyin fails to deliver in every fashion.
Motives-
Shuyin: Lenne. We disappeared together, but when I awoke, I was alone. I looked
for you for so long. While I wandered, I realized something: Spira hasn't really
changed at all. Everyone's still fighting over nothing. Still dying like they
used to. A thousand years have passed, and they can't leave the hatred behind.
I'm through waiting. I'll fix it. This world continues to fail us, and what's
worse, I failed to protect you. (clenches his fist) Vegnagun will make that all
go away. And we'll fade together again, together. Help me do it, Lenne.
Ah. So, a nihilistic-liberation philosophy. Not only is this uninteresting and stale, but it�s particularly bland in the FFX series given that Seymour�s main purpose once he died was to grant Spira freedom from the �Spiral of Death� by killing everything.
Seymour: I will destroy Spira! I will save it.
But, while Seymour apparently gained his ideas of the salvation of mankind resting in annihilation, Shuyin�s main reasons are simply the fact Lenne died. The love of his life was oh so brutally gunned down and so his quest to free the world is more a twist sort of revenge. Now this is even more unoriginal than nihilism-freedom. How many villains have lost someone they loved and as a result turned than noble? And how many of it did it in such an enormously cooler way?
Because, quite frankly, Shuyin didn�t go evil in any semblance of a cool way. His ingenious plan is....a giant doomsday weapon!! Wow! See, it�s Vegnagun and it�s been lying underground for many, many years. Shuyin, after inexplicably deciding after a 1000 years that NOW was the time to start destroying everything, decided that a giant doomsday weapon shouldn�t just sit around collecting dust. It should be out causing a doomsday. So what does he do/? He possesses Baralai, head of New Yevon and that�s about it. He doesn�t appear to actually do much after this except fight the party.
That is until you get to the Farplane where he is. He�s using Baralai to start to fire up Vegnagun for a good old-fashioned night on the town. I swear he said �Come on, Vegnagun! Let�s pain the town red with the blood of the innocent! BWAHAHAHAHA!� ...no, he did not sadly. It�s a real shame. Would have been his only cool line in the game. But, back to being serious. The guy starts to fire up weapon and of course it�s up to the group of heroes to stop this evil thing.
So, that�s what we do. Aided by voices from people who have died (this is the Farplane) we come to realize that Auron is not voiced by the same guy now or the guy�s voice-acting ability has deteriorated horribly. Even through that kind of obstacle the three heroines battle on and reduce the massive doomsday weapon to scrap that you can find at your local junkyard. Now, in a heart-rending scene of emotion, Shuyin, apparently unconcerned that his entire plan for punishing/saving/blowing the fuck out of the world was just ruined, he walks over to Yuna who he thinks is Lenne. Now, in a horribly predictable scene that even I, a guy who forces his mind to not think far ahead in a plot because it ruins so many good moments, can tell he�s gonna figure out it�s not her. One of the reasons is that he talks about fading together with her, which she can�t do because she�s not dead.
So, sure enough Braniac does figure it out and she begs him to stop. When that fails, she shoots him and he loses. So, now the real spirit of Lenne comes (conveniently after the possible eradication of humanity and Shuyin�s defeat) to collect her wayward and emo lover and take him away.
Powers- Shuyin, as mentioned earlier, has certain similarities in goal-setting with Seymour Guado. But, unlike Seymour, he does not really do anything demonstrative of power. He possesses Barali and then fights the party using all of Tidus� moves but with cooler names like Terror of Zanarkand. While Seymour killed dozens of Ronso, took a spear to the chest and made himself into various forms (most notably Seymour Flux on Mount Gagazet) Shuyin pretty much just controls Vegnagun and shows no other real range of powers or abilities.
Accomplishments-
Even more a kick in the pants for our poor undead antagonist. Apart from possessing Barali and awakening Vegnagun, he did�t do jack squat. The aeons who awoke were not his own real doing. The war in Spira was not his real doing. He pretty much failed his only real objective and didn�t actually do much else to ben be worth of note.
Definitely the worst FF villain in my opinion.
Now my choice is Shuyin of Final Fantasy X-2. It is not because I detested the game- it�s possibly the main reason I detested the game. I enjoy a marvelous villain who can really impress upon me how innovative in character and diabolical in intent and, sadly, Shuyin fails to deliver in every fashion.
Motives-
Shuyin: Lenne. We disappeared together, but when I awoke, I was alone. I looked
for you for so long. While I wandered, I realized something: Spira hasn't really
changed at all. Everyone's still fighting over nothing. Still dying like they
used to. A thousand years have passed, and they can't leave the hatred behind.
I'm through waiting. I'll fix it. This world continues to fail us, and what's
worse, I failed to protect you. (clenches his fist) Vegnagun will make that all
go away. And we'll fade together again, together. Help me do it, Lenne.
Ah. So, a nihilistic-liberation philosophy. Not only is this uninteresting and stale, but it�s particularly bland in the FFX series given that Seymour�s main purpose once he died was to grant Spira freedom from the �Spiral of Death� by killing everything.
Seymour: I will destroy Spira! I will save it.
But, while Seymour apparently gained his ideas of the salvation of mankind resting in annihilation, Shuyin�s main reasons are simply the fact Lenne died. The love of his life was oh so brutally gunned down and so his quest to free the world is more a twist sort of revenge. Now this is even more unoriginal than nihilism-freedom. How many villains have lost someone they loved and as a result turned than noble? And how many of it did it in such an enormously cooler way?
Because, quite frankly, Shuyin didn�t go evil in any semblance of a cool way. His ingenious plan is....a giant doomsday weapon!! Wow! See, it�s Vegnagun and it�s been lying underground for many, many years. Shuyin, after inexplicably deciding after a 1000 years that NOW was the time to start destroying everything, decided that a giant doomsday weapon shouldn�t just sit around collecting dust. It should be out causing a doomsday. So what does he do/? He possesses Baralai, head of New Yevon and that�s about it. He doesn�t appear to actually do much after this except fight the party.
That is until you get to the Farplane where he is. He�s using Baralai to start to fire up Vegnagun for a good old-fashioned night on the town. I swear he said �Come on, Vegnagun! Let�s pain the town red with the blood of the innocent! BWAHAHAHAHA!� ...no, he did not sadly. It�s a real shame. Would have been his only cool line in the game. But, back to being serious. The guy starts to fire up weapon and of course it�s up to the group of heroes to stop this evil thing.
So, that�s what we do. Aided by voices from people who have died (this is the Farplane) we come to realize that Auron is not voiced by the same guy now or the guy�s voice-acting ability has deteriorated horribly. Even through that kind of obstacle the three heroines battle on and reduce the massive doomsday weapon to scrap that you can find at your local junkyard. Now, in a heart-rending scene of emotion, Shuyin, apparently unconcerned that his entire plan for punishing/saving/blowing the fuck out of the world was just ruined, he walks over to Yuna who he thinks is Lenne. Now, in a horribly predictable scene that even I, a guy who forces his mind to not think far ahead in a plot because it ruins so many good moments, can tell he�s gonna figure out it�s not her. One of the reasons is that he talks about fading together with her, which she can�t do because she�s not dead.
So, sure enough Braniac does figure it out and she begs him to stop. When that fails, she shoots him and he loses. So, now the real spirit of Lenne comes (conveniently after the possible eradication of humanity and Shuyin�s defeat) to collect her wayward and emo lover and take him away.
Powers- Shuyin, as mentioned earlier, has certain similarities in goal-setting with Seymour Guado. But, unlike Seymour, he does not really do anything demonstrative of power. He possesses Barali and then fights the party using all of Tidus� moves but with cooler names like Terror of Zanarkand. While Seymour killed dozens of Ronso, took a spear to the chest and made himself into various forms (most notably Seymour Flux on Mount Gagazet) Shuyin pretty much just controls Vegnagun and shows no other real range of powers or abilities.
Accomplishments-
Even more a kick in the pants for our poor undead antagonist. Apart from possessing Barali and awakening Vegnagun, he did�t do jack squat. The aeons who awoke were not his own real doing. The war in Spira was not his real doing. He pretty much failed his only real objective and didn�t actually do much else to ben be worth of note.
Definitely the worst FF villain in my opinion.