Hi... I'm new here. I just want to ask you guys out there...
Is it only me who got dissapointed by the espers battle system???
I am playing FF XII right now (I'm in 'Phon Coast' now) and I really think that SE shouldn't change the legendary summons in FF series. Just look at those espers... IFRIT is much... much... much... BETTER than BELIAS. SHIVA is the best (MATEUS??? Don't even ask me...) and so on.
What do you think???

I'm sorry if my english is bad. I'm an Indonesian and my english is not good at all.

Honestly, I feel it was a nice change. It would have been nice to see the originals, but overall I'm happy. It'll be cool to see what the new ones can do. If anything, they should have kept Ifrit, Shiva, Bahamut, Odin and maybe Leviathan and the rest all new summons like what they have now.

Hi... I'm new here. I just want to ask you guys out there...
Is it only me who got dissapointed by the espers battle system???
I am playing FF XII right now (I'm in 'Phon Coast' now) and I really think that SE shouldn't change the legendary summons in FF series. Just look at those espers... IFRIT is much... much... much... BETTER than BELIAS. SHIVA is the best (MATEUS??? Don't even ask me...) and so on.
What do you think???

I'm sorry if my english is bad. I'm an Indonesian and my english is not good at all.

you're indonesian?cool, i'm malaysian

actually i love the espers battle system very much

whether Ifrit better than Belias or Shiva better than Mateus, i'm not thinking about that actually

but i love changes

Heh.. my wife is Indonesian. From Surabaya. I spent a week there and had a chance to buy the japanese version of it.

Apa kabar?

khabar baik

I agree. They should keep Ifrit, Shiva, Odin, Bahamut (he was from the 1st final fantasy game) and meybe Leviathan or Ramuh.

I like the new espers, but i want bahumut. I NEVER liked shiva, But i loved tactics advance's Mateus and i still like this one

I like the idea of changing the battle system but I cant agree with the change of the summons, I agree that at least Shiva Ifrit and Bahamut will never the changed, Bahamut own!!!!

Well.. I'm not sure what the second sentance was supposed to say, but..

Shiva, Ifrit and Bahamut aren't in XII. But you are right they did own. I do wish that they would go back to .. summon is just a magic spell. THAT'S IT. I miss those days. Come in.. kill everything in sight and then leave.

the problem is, they are in fact in FFXII but in the form of air ships and towers and shit. Not Summons. :notgood:

I hadn't seen Bahamut as an airship yet.. Shiva and Ifrit yean, but not Bahamut. Then again I don't have the game yet either. :P

I found out about bahamut in one of the fmv I watched.

as.. a DRAGON or as an airship?

I see that most of ff fans love the changes in Summons. Well, I'm not actually dissapointed with them. I love them as the story goes on. Thanks guys. I hope those legendary Summons will be back in the next FF.)

For Gilthanos: Kabar Baik n_n (Did you buy the original one? and where are u now? If you want to buy the game you should go back to Indonesia. Do you want to ask me why n_n?. It's cheap. You can get it for only Rp 5000)

For Ekinserge: Did you use 'khabar' instead of 'kabar'? In Indonesia we use kabar.

Hey... did you guys have friendster accounts???
Please let me know so I can add you...

And about Bahamut... I haven't played it till that part but I read that Bahamut is a Fortress in FFXII.

Well I don't think you CAN get an original copy of a game in Surabaya... HAHA. I'm not indonesian, my wife is. Right now I'm in San Jose, California. I bougt the game for 80 cents and played it on my brother-in-law's PS2. I kinda felt bad when I'd go to a store in Surabaya and look at say.. a leather jacket and be like..... 500000 RUPIA!!! OMFG!!! That's CHEAP!!! Right next to someone who.. thought it was the most expensive item in the store... >,<!

Bahamut is a fortress eh? Makes sense. My wife is teaching me a little bit of indonesian.. but for now, aku mau makan. bai

Yep... You're right n_n. It's rare to find original products in Indonesia,hehehe...

If you put 80 cents into Rupiah... It will be Rp 8000.

Makan yang banyak ya... hahaha...

Hey, I got a question in my mind... Which one is the coolest Esper in FF XII?
Since I only got 4 Espers just yet... I can't give my opinion just yet... But up 'till now, my favorite one is Mateus. Hehehe...
I started to love her /him.

Ex-Death and Chaos look badass.

Aku makan kucing ku... BBQ Kitty Chop (surabayan)>> guyon kok

is it Zalhera?

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in malaysia we use khabar baik

i bought ffxii for only RM3

For Gilthanos : Oh my GOD... I thought you really BBQ your cat x_x... hehehe...
I never saw Chaos... And for Ex-Death... I think it was supposed to be EXODUS... Pardon me If I was wrong... But I fought It the other night... Did the esper (Ex-death) represent the 'LIBRA'? If it is... than the name is EXODUS. Kamu sudah punya anak?


For Ekinserge : It's cheaper here then. hehehe... If I transfered it into rupiah... Then RM 3 would be Rp 7500 here... Zalhera? Hmm... I thought I've fought it already... But I haven't played mine since the last sunday for some reasons, so I couldn't check mine. Can you tell me moare about Zalhera?

In XII, Ragnarok is a 2 handed sword. Atomos, Pandaemonium, Valefor, Carbuncle, Shiva, Leviathan, Alexander, Ifrit and Remora are all airships.

Oh... I see... I heard that Ragnarok become one of the most powerful weapons in FFXII. Is it right? I've heard about them... But I've only seen Shiva, Leviathan, Alexander and Atomos. Any news on Odin?

For Gilthanos : Oh my GOD... I thought you really BBQ your cat x_x... hehehe...
I never saw Chaos... And for Ex-Death... I think it was supposed to be EXODUS... Pardon me If I was wrong... But I fought It the other night... Did the esper (Ex-death) represent the 'LIBRA'? If it is... than the name is EXODUS. Kamu sudah punya anak?


For Ekinserge : It's cheaper here then. hehehe... If I transfered it into rupiah... Then RM 3 would be Rp 7500 here... Zalhera? Hmm... I thought I've fought it already... But I haven't played mine since the last sunday for some reasons, so I couldn't check mine. Can you tell me moare about Zalhera?

Kami punya dua anak.... kucing ku. :P

Yes it is Exodus. BUUT.. It's Ex-Death from previous games.
Zalhera.. I'll post the page directly out of the Brady Games Strategy Guide, page 53 (Limited Edition).

Good ol' creapy looking espers. lol.

Yeah.. ya know.. i've got the impression that not a single one of them are scions of good and justice. Seems that all of them are Scions of Darkness and inherently evil.

And I LOVE that!

but but but... why in the world would we use EVIL to combat a political idea?

Because it's political. And the only way you're going to beat an evil political empire is through the lesser of 2 evils.

fix'd.

Iono man.. having folks like Cuchilainn running around unchecked... scary

Fixed my last post. There was a typo.

still... Dictator.. or bunch of evil demons walking the earth powerful eough to summon hurling fire enclosed METEORS... huff puff huff puff

I'd choose Saddam.

Wow... Thanks... I always think that ZALHERA would be a man. I was totally wrong. Anyway, about 'Cuchilainn', I really thought that this is the worst Esper in FF XII... Seeing it for the first time (When I fought it) has made me starring at my TV for almost 20 seconds. What was SE thinking when they made this Esper? I can only say: "Yaikss..."

Well. .. Zalhera IS a guy. If you read that page I posted, he was basically Hades. Guiding souls to him. He fell in love with a Shamaness, who still resides "IN" his right arm.

Cuchilainn reminds me of something from hellraiser. If you knwo his story, you'll understand why he looks the way he does. That and they used bosses from previous FF's. Cuchilainn was Draclau (name sound familiar) from Final Fantasy Tactics.

Yea, I definitely feel the same. But once I read the background stories further, it states that they look like that because the gods change them.

I have absolutely no qualms with new espers, It's a nice change. But these ones.....are kind of ugly, and that does upset me.

Iono.. I love the dark history of em. I don't understand some of the designs like ... Mateus.. I thought that was a female, but then I read on and found that it's a GUY imprisoning the female.. wtf?

Then theres Zalera.. .that one doesn't make sense.. Zodiark doesn't make sense either. Even Shumihaza is kinda weird. Belias.. I can't make heads or tails of him.. where is his face?

haha, yea. I agree with all that. It says for both Mateus and Zalera that they had a female hostage. One of them used them as a human sheild or something. So I'm guessing the gods binded them to the girl that they ummmm, stole? haha

They actually represent the Zodiac...heh..
Bahamut as a fortress? cool but it would b better if they did the Bahamut Airship for Balthier and the fortress can be called Alexander Fortress... think about it the damn summon does look like a fortress lol
anyways Ultima wich represents Virgo Is AWESOME! belive me and i would soooooooooooo!! love if Bahamut Zero and knights of the round table can wome back man .... if that happens i would soooooooo crap myself lol

Oppss... Forgive me... I didn't read it... About the coolest Esper (Since I got 4 more espers in my list) Zalera (Not Zalhera guys) wins my vote. Did he fell in love? I guess I missed that part again. but I think he's not. At least from what I've read. Anyway, how many Espers have you fought??? I've fought Belias, Mateus, Adrame... (Can't remember the name), Shemhazai, Cuchilainn, Zalera, Exodus and Zeromus.

Here's another weird Esper... SHEMHAZAI... Nothing special about this Esper and that's what makes me feel that this Esper is useless. Was it altima or ultima? I've heard that she is cool. Well, can't say that now since I haven't fought her yet.

Don't you think that SE should tell us more about this 'Scion' thing?
The story is great... So basically all the zodiacs were rebelling against the Gods (Wait until you see the Gods. Occuria??? They looked just like 'VENAT' and it's weird) and they failed, right? Damn! This Scion thing is killing me. I hope SE will tell us more about this.