I like the DS better and the reason is it has alot more stuff that you can do with it like Pict=) chat and the touch screen. The PSP is better looking but it sratchs to easly and it doesnt have that very many good games for it. The DS has crap load of good games like The New Super Mario Bros. and Metriod Prime Hunters. If the DS could play movies it would blow away the PSP.

Now that there's a hard drive available for DS, it can play movies. Anyway, there's not much contention these days about which is the better handheld. The DS may have fundamentally inferior technology, but the superior library and lower price put it miles ahead of the PSP, which is basically only good for home brew at this point.

Well, i only use my PSP for homebrew and downloaded t.v but i wouldn`t say it`s "better" than the DS. Both have plus and minus points.

Nintendo DS: Play games, PictOchat, touch screen, Play movies (now I hear).

Sony PSP: Photos (most standard files), Music (MP3, WMA), Movies (MPEG-4, AVC, UMD), Games (Improving a lot, ie: Crisis Core, God of War, Gran Turismo, etc...), Internet (now capable of JavaScript and Flash 6), Video RSS, Audio RSS, LocationFree (if you can afford the LocationFree thing), Eye toy (games and camera coming in september) GPS... that's right, Global Positioning System, (coming in october), PlayStation One emulator (coming soon actualy provided by Sony - not home brew, able to download original playstation one games). Anything else I forgot? ...oh yeah, Sony now has downloadable game demos. would anybody like to add?

Well, i only use my PSP for homebrew and downloaded t.v but i wouldn`t say it`s "better" than the DS. Both have plus and minus points.
You are so fucking right!

so back to my point. PSP is better; value and feature-wise.

All PSP seems to offer is remakes. Not very original. DS has more original content and has the touch screen which is damn fun.

All PSP seems to offer is remakes. Not very original. DS has more original content and has the touch screen which is damn fun.
Well said Chorns.:smrt:

All PSP seems to offer is remakes. Not very original. DS has more original content and has the touch screen which is damn fun.

That is the most ignorant statement I've heard today. If you look at the game lists from nintendo.com (http://www.nintendo.com/gamecategory?cf=&sf=Nintendo+DS&ef=) and us.playstation.com (http://www.us.playstation.com/PSP/GameFinder) you'll find there's only a difference of 70 games. most of games on both side are all remakes and sequels. If I'm going to play Metroid, Mario Cart, Fifa Soccer, Bomberman, Dynasty Warriors, Tomb Raider, Need for Speed, Rayman, etc... sure I can play them on DS. A lot of these on Gamecube, PSP and PS2.

But the DS remakes are better.

1) You may want to read what I added. 2) the graphics on PSP are better and 3) about the only better remake is Final Fantasy III.

Mario Cart on PS2?

A lot of these on Gamecube, PSP and PS2.

I didn't say all of those games.

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lol

PSDS; Playstation DS.

Now that, is the best handheld ever.

PSDS; Playstation DS.

Now that, is the best handheld ever.

You know, I think you're on to something.

But the DS remakes are better.

You can't fight that logic.

Nintendo DS: Play games, PictOchat, touch screen, Play movies (now I hear).

Sony PSP: Photos (most standard files), Music (MP3, WMA), Movies (MPEG-4, AVC, UMD), Games (Improving a lot, ie: Crisis Core, God of War, Gran Turismo, etc...), Internet (now capable of JavaScript and Flash 6), Video RSS, Audio RSS, LocationFree (if you can afford the LocationFree thing), Eye toy (games and camera coming in september) GPS... that's right, Global Positioning System, (coming in october), PlayStation One emulator (coming soon actualy provided by Sony - not home brew, able to download original playstation one games). Anything else I forgot? ...oh yeah, Sony now has downloadable game demos. would anybody like to add?

well the ds is now able to play demos if you go into certin stores and you dont have to get a cart for it you are able to watch and play certin demos. The ds will soon be able to go onto the internet with an accesory that you will be able to put in the ds slot, the ds will also be having a tv antenna ancessory which will make you able to watch tv on the move(oviously) and the ds has better quality games

Nintendo DS: Play games, PictOchat, touch screen, Play movies (now I hear).

Sony PSP: Photos (most standard files), Music (MP3, WMA), Movies (MPEG-4, AVC, UMD), Games (Improving a lot, ie: Crisis Core, God of War, Gran Turismo, etc...), Internet (now capable of JavaScript and Flash 6), Video RSS, Audio RSS, LocationFree (if you can afford the LocationFree thing), Eye toy (games and camera coming in september) GPS... that's right, Global Positioning System, (coming in october), PlayStation One emulator (coming soon actualy provided by Sony - not home brew, able to download original playstation one games). Anything else I forgot? ...oh yeah, Sony now has downloadable game demos. would anybody like to add?
At the minute I own neither of them and am not really interested in buying either for the time being. I'll probably end up buying a DS Lite when the new Pok�mon games are released ^_^ But anyway, that whole list of PSP pros further puts me off buying one. I don't want my consoles to be portable internet browsers, GPS units, photo albums or MP3 players, never mind the rest of that crap. If it can play games it is good enough for me. That's all I expect from my consoles I'd rather not have to pay an inflated price for all the frills. Besides, the DS can do more stuff than that mini list you made.

mossy i have made a list of more things it can do above your post and MarvinStraight most of them are olny able to be done once you have the upgrades and converters

Thet both have good and bad points I'd say.

Sony PSP: Photos (most standard files), Music (MP3, WMA), Movies (MPEG-4, AVC, UMD), Games (Improving a lot, ie: Crisis Core, God of War, Gran Turismo, etc...), Internet (now capable of JavaScript and Flash 6), Video RSS, Audio RSS, LocationFree (if you can afford the LocationFree thing), Eye toy (games and camera coming in september) GPS... that's right, Global Positioning System, (coming in october), PlayStation One emulator (coming soon actualy provided by Sony - not home brew, able to download original playstation one games). Anything else I forgot? ...oh yeah, Sony now has downloadable game demos. would anybody like to add?

Those games you named as examples of the PSP's improving library are not even released. As such, it is impossible to vouch for their quality and the example fails.

DS can do photos, music, and movies now that it has a hard drive.

The Opera browser is soon to be released for DS.

DS is naturally region free.

Who wants GPS? I know I certainly do not want Sony to be able to track my location.

I think that's the last of your bullshit argument that hasn't been redressed.

They need to make an antenna that you stick into the charger spot on the DS that allows you to get WI-FI without having to go to a computer or finding a Mc Donalds that has WI-FI.

They need to make a 50-foot antenna that you stick into the charger spot on the DS that allows you to get WI-FI without having to go to a computer or finding a Mc Donalds that has WI-FI.
that would be awesome http://mangaisland.forumup.be/images/smiles/Trilly-30-71.gif

Or you could just carry around a radio antenna. They ownly weigh about a few thousand pounds.

i don't own either. but i know which one i'm getting when the time comes.

pokemon pearl/diamond, here i come. :D

To be honest, i consider the PSP to be the game gear of this handheld generation.
It's technically superior
bigger
has less battery life,
ports of games from a console (Master system 2 > game gear playstation 2 > PSP)
black.

and is selling ok despite being outsold quite seriously.

Also load time, crikey.

I actually got my hands on a DS the other day; so I happily own both now and do enjoy them very much.

I think the thing with Nintendo is they have found their market (which is slowly growing), and they simply stick with it with a nice formula that has no bells and whistles and just works... plain and simple. Its actually brilliant in its simplicity, and they've been using the same ideals since the Super Nintendo swept away the Genesis.

I think the problem with Nintendo though, is how conservative they are. They have always made great products, but in modern times esspecially they leave themselves open to criticism regarding their technology. Many people out there fall into traps like the "megahertz myth" and "bigger means better"; so when they glare at Nintendo's entry in the market... they think "well hang on, these numbers aren't as high as the others" and it hurts them. They need to do a better job of convincing all those mainstreamers that their products are innovative... and, at least here in Oz they haven't done that to the same scale as Sony has with the PSP.

Anyway, in regards to weighing one against the other, I won't bother. Their are pros and cons to both, and I quite frankly don't need to contrast them... I own both. End of story.

I actually got my hands on a DS the other day; so I happily own both now and do enjoy them very much.

I think the thing with Nintendo is they have found their market (which is slowly growing), and they simply stick with it with a nice formula that has no bells and whistles and just works... plain and simple. Its actually brilliant in its simplicity, and they've been using the same ideals since the Super Nintendo swept away the Genesis.

I think the problem with Nintendo though, is how conservative they are. They have always made great products, but in modern times esspecially they leave themselves open to criticism regarding their technology. Many people out there fall into traps like the "megahertz myth" and "bigger means better"; so when they glare at Nintendo's entry in the market... they think "well hang on, these numbers aren't as high as the others" and it hurts them. They need to do a better job of convincing all those mainstreamers that their products are innovative... and, at least here in Oz they haven't done that to the same scale as Sony has with the PSP.

Anyway, in regards to weighing one against the other, I won't bother. Their are pros and cons to both, and I quite frankly don't need to contrast them... I own both. End of story.

You know, You're right. Not only are you furry and cuddly, but you're insightful and well thought-out. I myself find the PSP way more useful and offers me more of what I want, but the DS is not without it's qualities. Oh, and nice ta meet'cha, Mr. Bunniesworth!

you'll find there's only a difference of 70 games

ONLY 70 games? :rolleyes: You forgot to mention about the price, the PSP is 50% more pricey than what a PS2 goes for nowadays, and the games are almost as pricey as a PS2 game. The games are stored in a non-interchangeable format, it's not compatible with anything other than PSP games. Not to mention that half of the lineup hasn't even been released yet. Oh and I forgot, a quarter of the PSP's will encounter a fatal error when playing Tales of Eternia PSP with no way around it.

I'm not too hot on the DS myself, but the PSP has a whole lot of things wrong with it.

They need to do a better job of convincing all those mainstreamers that their products are innovative... and, at least here in Oz they haven't done that to the same scale as Sony has with the PSP.

Anyway, in regards to weighing one against the other, I won't bother. Their are pros and cons to both, and I quite frankly don't need to contrast them... I own both. End of story.

Yeah... but... which one do you own... MORE?

Ok, but seriously: Regarding sales in Australia (http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/?v=news&p=3594). Looks like the DS is making short work of the PSP there, as well as the rest of the world.

Nintendo in the past sort of stiffly stayed behind everyone else(starting with the N64) but have shifted to very pointedly setting themselves apart. With all of the different kinds of software they're putting out now(from Tingle to Rhythm Tengoku to the freaking cookbook) as well as solid installments in their old standbys on the DS as opposed to porting old titles some more I think they're moving in a solid direction. I wonder how much of this has to do with Yamauchi stepping down.

Sony is new to the handheld gaming world, while nintendo has had many, many years of experience. Don't forget to consider that :D

Sony is new to the handheld gaming world, while nintendo has had many, many years of experience. Don't forget to consider that :D

Still, that doesn`t give them a golden pass for how much of a shitty job they did on the PSP. Sony haven`t done much to make anyone really want to buy a PSP apart from a few games. It`s the fans that have made me keep using my PSP. While Sony brings out a new firmware with RRS feeds, a fan creates a internet radio streamer.

Of course, i only use my PSP for homebrew mainly.

Yeah... but... which one do you own... MORE?

Ok, but seriously: Regarding sales in Australia (http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/?v=news&p=3594). Looks like the DS is making short work of the PSP there, as well as the rest of the world.

Nintendo in the past sort of stiffly stayed behind everyone else(starting with the N64) but have shifted to very pointedly setting themselves apart. With all of the different kinds of software they're putting out now(from Tingle to Rhythm Tengoku to the freaking cookbook) as well as solid installments in their old standbys on the DS as opposed to porting old titles some more I think they're moving in a solid direction. I wonder how much of this has to do with Yamauchi stepping down.

To be quite honest, those figures came as a surprise to me. The last I saw any figures, they were both level-pegging one another and it was actually fairly tight... but that is going back a ways. Good on them I say, they're taking care of business and moving forward.

I asked for a DS for Christmas and I got a PSP.

Wow, thanks mom.

But since I don't own a DS, I cannot say it is good or bad.
I voted for PSP just because I own one, and the games I own are fun.
Simple as that.

You know, for whoever is saying that the PSP is better and lists all the features it does compared to the DS, I think it was mainly MarvinStraight, here's one thing to keep in mind. The DS is still outselling the PSP by a considerable margin. Sure, Sony has says that the PSP has shipped over 20 million worldwide, but we don't know how many of those have actually been sold. DS just recently topped 21 million sold, and it's still quite the hot item in Japan. And I'd be willing to bet that software sales are also a lot higher on the DS than the PSP.

Yeah, you are exactly correct, I am not trying to say you are wrong.

Yet, sure a lot of sales means it is more popular, but it can't gurantee it is superior performance wise.

At this rate psp is definetly better than the Ds, over and over, the psp has better features and to me personally, the touch screen is bullshit. The FIFA 06 game on DS is no different from that of game boy, while the PSP version has way better graphics, i cant even begin to explain.I definetly prefer the psp, dont care wat anybody says or does.

I have both and... I have to go for the DS. The PSP has some nice games but the last PSP game that I bought (and Enjoyed mightily) was tales of Eternia. As the games are what make a console, and the PSP has very few killer aps this leaves the PSP at a disadvantage in my opinion. In my 9 months of PSP ownership I only have 4 games, 2 of which came in the package deal, which speaks volumes. The DS however has a great many fun and innovative games. Mariokart and other older franchises have been given a new lease of life, and games such as trauma center, which may seem gimmicky, usually work well and are enjoyable. I have about 15 DS games, and the DS is the console that I take on trips, simply because I find the DS more enjoyable than the PSP. This is why I choose DS.

']Yeah, you are exactly correct, I am not trying to say you are wrong.

Yet, sure a lot of sales means it is more popular, but it can't gurantee it is superior performance wise.

My thoughts exactly. DS is only winning because of popularity, price and it did come out first, doensn't make it any better. I assure you if both systems were to just be reliesed today at the same price, the PSP would outsell the DS. And the last time I went to GameStop, I believe I saw more used DS's in the glass case then I did PSP's, but then that can very from city to city. As for what Prak said, To me it sounded like, "nintendo is trying to make the DS just as good as PSP". Nintendo knows there system doesn't amount to the PSP, they're just trying to please all the bias fans who are already pleased by there blind ignorance. The title of this forum is "What's better DS or PSP?", not "who has better games and is more popular". I'm not going to argue on that topic because that's a matter of opinion. I love Mario, Metroid, Tetris, etc. which I already play on my NES, SNES and GameCube, but I also love my PSP because I get more use out of it because of ALL the features it provides me NOW, unlike DS where people are still waiting on some of those features and I'm also not going to buy a 3rd party accessory just to have movies, music and pics. The PSP has that already built in and it's not all bulky with attachments. I'm happy with my all-in-one, Sony approved system with my Sony approved 2GB mem stick that I know has a less chance of breaking.

Point is:

System sales - so what if it sold more. That just means all the parents are not going to pay at least $200 on there kid so they can break it and keep them from playing GTA. If I had a kid, even I would rather buy him/her a DS. And that is were most of nintendo's market is.

Games - Irrelevent to the topic which is why I digress my previous point on games, but if the rolls switched and Pok-e-mon was on Nintendo Portable and not Sony DS, the voting poll would be a lot different, not sure how that would effect system sales, though.

Features - Again, Sony still has the upperhand and Prak actualy helped me proov that point.

The following is dedicated to Prak.


Those games you named as examples of the PSP's improving library are not even released. As such, it is impossible to vouch for their quality and the example fails.

Fine, but they have credability. Now if you want to talk about quality games available now: WipeOut Pure, Valkyrie Profile Lenneth, Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, MegaMan Maverick Hunter X, Burnout Legends, Lumines, Metal Gear Acid, Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror, Tekken: Dark Resurrection, Tomb Raider: Legend. All quality games and something for everyone.


DS can do photos, music, and movies now that it has a hard drive.

Again, bulky add-on, 3rd party quality. Sony already has it built in.


The Opera browser is soon to be released for DS.

Exactly, "soon to be released" and it means more money to be spent for that feature. Sony comes built in and if DS was so great then Nintendo wouldn't need that too.


DS is naturally region free.

Yeah, so. So is the PSP, Proof (http://psp.ign.com/articles/561/561098p1.html). Don't be fooled by the region code.


Who wants GPS? I know I certainly do not want Sony to be able to track my location.

A lot of people do and it's a lot cheaper then a Magellan, TomTom or Garmin. And who said anything about Sony tracking your location, You're tracking your own location. What about Nintendo tracking your location with the wifi connection? - Doesn't that sound just as dumb as what you asked?


I think that's the last of your bullshit argument that hasn't been redressed.

Obviously not.

At this rate psp is definetly better than the Ds, over and over, the psp has better features and to me personally, the touch screen is bullshit. The FIFA 06 game on DS is no different from that of game boy, while the PSP version has way better graphics, i cant even begin to explain.I definetly prefer the psp, dont care wat anybody says or does.

Quoted for retardation.


Fine, but they have credability. Now if you want to talk about quality games available now: WipeOut Pure, Valkyrie Profile Lenneth, Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, MegaMan Maverick Hunter X, Burnout Legends, Lumines, Metal Gear Acid, Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror, Tekken: Dark Resurrection, Tomb Raider: Legend. All quality games and something for everyone.

Most of which are either console ports or knockoffs of existing console games.

Forget about buying a handheld for the games, it has to be tha 133tEs7 gizmo with tha le3+ezzT features!111ONEONE :rolleyes:

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look? The PSP is nothing more than a glorified Palm PC, plain and simple. Suck it up, get over it and move on.

Quoted for retardation.


Most of which are either console ports or knockoffs of existing console games.

Forget about buying a handheld for the games, it has to be tha 133tEs7 gizmo with tha le3+ezzT features!111ONEONE :rolleyes:

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look? The PSP is nothing more than a glorified Palm PC, plain and simple. Suck it up, get over it and move on.

Uhh, and the DS games are not? both systems are like that and no I'm not forgeting about buying a handheld for games because I happen to enjoy my games, a lot. but just about every licensed by nintendo game is also console port/remake/sequel or knockoff of existing console games but with less quality graphics then PSP. Like the thread questions, "What's better DS or PSP?" You call the PSP a "glorified Palm PC"? Well maybe it is and unlike the DS, at least it's not trying to be a glorified Palm PC. I'll agree to suck it up and get over it when you do because obviously you can't.

My thoughts exactly. DS is only winning because of popularity, price and it did come out first, doensn't make it any better. I assure you if both systems were to just be reliesed today at the same price, the PSP would outsell the DS.
That's just your word, not some sort of undeniable truth. Besides, how on Earth could the PSP be the same price as the DS considering, y'know, how big a loss Sony already make on each unit sold? And hey, I'll have a go at the whole what if thing: I assure you if both systems were to just be released today at the same price, the DS would outsell the PSP.


And the last time I went to GameStop, I believe I saw more used DS's in the glass case then I did PSP's, but then that can very from city to city.
It's always looked fairly equal to me, and so what? You could equally argue the point that there is more used DSs just because it has sold more than the PSP.


As for what Prak said, To me it sounded like, "nintendo is trying to make the DS just as good as PSP". Nintendo knows there system doesn't amount to the PSP, they're just trying to please all the bias fans who are already pleased by there blind ignorance.
I don't really get what you are saying, but I have a rough idea of what you mean. But again, it doesn't really affect anything. Actually, it probably shows that Nintendo has a more sound business plan by releasing the various features as add-ons rather than having an inflated price for the core console. Suits me fine.


The title of this forum is "What's better DS or PSP?", not "who has better games and is more popular". I'm not going to argue on that topic because that's a matter of opinion.
What? Surely the software has got to be given some consideration. I'm not gonna buy a games console, no matter what ridiculous features it possesses, if all the games are poop.


I also love my PSP because I get more use out of it because of ALL the features it provides me NOW, unlike DS where people are still waiting on some of those features and I'm also not going to buy a 3rd party accessory just to have movies, music and pics. The PSP has that already built in and it's not all bulky with attachments. I'm happy with my all-in-one, Sony approved system with my Sony approved 2GB mem stick that I know has a less chance of breaking.
Not really worth commenting on the features bit since I've already said how all that fat just makes the thing more expensive but, just out of interest, how do you "know" that there is a smaller chance of Sony approved peripherals breaking? Surely a competently made third party peripheral would do the same job, have equally small chance of breaking and be cheaper, no?


Point is:

System sales - so what if it sold more. That just means all the parents are not going to pay at least $200 on there kid so they can break it and keep them from playing GTA. If I had a kid, even I would rather buy him/her a DS. And that is were most of nintendo's market is.
Most of Nintendo's market is the children of overly protective parents? ~LiEs~ Seriously though, prove me wrong, show me a source which says what you just did.


Games - Irrelevent to the topic which is why I digress my previous point on games, but if the rolls switched and Pok-ee-mon was on Nintendo Portable and not Sony DS, the voting poll would be a lot different, not sure how that would effect system sales, though.
Already explained why games are an extremely important part of comparing the consoles and you just write them off as "LOL, WOH CARES ABOUT DA GAMEZ?"


Features - Again, Sony still has theupperhandd andPrakkactualyy helped meproovv that point.
Sony has the upperhand on ridiculous features which don't add to any sort of gaming experience, sure, but hey, Nintendo has the upperhand on price and sales!

The rest of your post was dedicated to Prak, so yeah.

I believe it is a trend to hate on Sony. A lot of people who say the PSP sucks don't even own one.
And they just like to believe what they read.
Well the PSP is good, in fact it is excellent. Is it better than DS?

Beats me.

They are both great systems. Latley Ive been playing my psp way more than my DS. It should be an interesting fall as both systems are releasing good games.

At this rate psp is definetly better than the Ds, over and over, the psp has better features and to me personally, the touch screen is bullshit. The FIFA 06 game on DS is no different from that of game boy, while the PSP version has way better graphics, i cant even begin to explain.I definetly prefer the psp, dont care wat anybody says or does.
At this rate, DS is going to be a lot more successful than the PSP. It keeps pulling away. And yes, I admit the PSP has more features, but just about all the features a PSP does doesn't do them above average. If some of the features on the PSP were great for the job they are supposed to do, that's another story. But they aren't.


DS is only winning because of popularity, price and it did come out first, doensn't make it any better.
DS is winning because it's software is considerbably better, and right now the DS is completely owning Japan, which is the real market that Nintendo should be aiming at. Japanese people are simply in love with the DS and cannot get enough of it.


I assure you if both systems were to just be reliesed today at the same price, the PSP would outsell the DS.
You can't assure that, because the games are what sells handhelds just like the consoles. Sure the PSP is more powerful than the DS, but surely that would mean it should be outselling it by twice as much! Oh wait, I forgot, you can play games on the PSP?


And the last time I went to GameStop, I believe I saw more used DS's in the glass case then I did PSP's, but then that can very from city to city.
I 'assure' you that most of those used DS units are trade in's towards the DS Lite, not because people got tired of them.


As for what Prak said, To me it sounded like, "nintendo is trying to make the DS just as good as PSP". Nintendo knows there system doesn't amount to the PSP, they're just trying to please all the bias fans who are already pleased by there blind ignorance.
Oh man this one made me laugh pretty loudly. Blind ignorance? That doesn't apply directly to Nintendo. In fact, it applies moreso to Microsoft and Sony, than the Big N.


The title of this forum is "What's better DS or PSP?", not "who has better games and is more popular". I'm not going to argue on that topic because that's a matter of opinion.
And the thing that makes a console or handheld is the games you can play for it, not how good the games are on it.


I'm happy with my all-in-one, Sony approved system with my Sony approved 2GB mem stick that I know has a less chance of breaking.
And I'm much more happier with my Nintendo approved handheld, from a company that has excellent customer service and consoles/handhelds rarely malfunction.


System sales - so what if it sold more. That just means all the parents are not going to pay at least $200 on there kid so they can break it and keep them from playing GTA. If I had a kid, even I would rather buy him/her a DS. And that is were most of nintendo's market is.
Wow, what a horrible point. I guarantee if the PSP had more units sold, you'd be saying HEY LOOK ITS BETTER BECAUSE ITS SELLING MORE, or something like that. You are always praising the PSP for having a lot of features, which you would think merits the high price tag. But obviously consumers don't think that the features and the games are worth the price.


Games - Irrelevent to the topic which is why I digress my previous point on games, but if the rolls switched and Pok-e-mon was on Nintendo Portable and not Sony DS, the voting poll would be a lot different, not sure how that would effect system sales, though.
Again, like I said numerous times before, games are the main focal point that drive sales for a console and/or a handheld. Just wait for Pokemon Diamond and Pearl to be released, and the DS craze, especially in Japan, will keep chugging along. Not only do they like it, but I love the series and can't wait to play a true, original Pokemon game again.

PSP owns

PSP owns

And yes, the games are like $40, but the UMD's also hold 1.8GB. DS carts are only 128MB.

if you were living in japan and you wanted a ds you would have a problem as it sells out soo quicky and that shows how popular it is in japan.
you know there is a major problem with the psp because if you drop it it will shatter into hundreds of pieces while the ds does not.

Uhh, and the DS games are not? both systems are like that and no I'm not forgeting about buying a handheld for games because I happen to enjoy my games, a lot. but just about every licensed by nintendo game is also console port/remake/sequel or knockoff of existing console games

Lesee, lemme name the titles that prove your argument fails.

- Brain Age
- Blades of Thunder
- Children of Mana
- Electroplankton
- Mario and Luigi : Partners in Time
- Over the Hedge
- Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
- Real Time Conflict : Shogun Empires
- Spectrobes
- Tao's Adventure
- Tales of the Tempest

Of course, I would name more, but I'm not exactly familliar with the DS games line up. You were saying? What games do you enjoy that can't be found in other consoles?


but with less quality graphics then PSP.

The "quality" of the graphics has nothing to do with the overall quality of games, lard-for-brains. By your same logic, you could also say that the SNES, Genesis, NES and Sega Master System were crap. clearly this is a big hole in your logic.


Like the thread questions, "What's better DS or PSP?" You call the PSP a "glorified Palm PC"? Well maybe it is and unlike the DS, at least it's not trying to be a glorified Palm PC. I'll agree to suck it up and get over it when you do because obviously you can't.

Fail, if the DS is trying to be a palm PC, then why did hardware manufacturers decide to release the addons for the DS even when sales are good? On the other side of the coin, why did Sony decide to add in features, half of which most gamers would hardly ever use, from the get go? I like what Nintendo did with the DS's optional hardware upgrades, that way, gamers can pick the features they want and by doing so, spend their money more wisely.

Not to mention the resilliency of the DS when compared to the PSP, meaning that you hardly ever have to buy replacements when being careless, meaning you'll eventually spend less.


And yes, the games are like $40, but the UMD's also hold 1.8GB. DS carts are only 128MB.

Only 40 USD? HELOO! Earth to Marvin! PSP games go for at least 400 HKD here, since 7.6 HKD translates to 1 USD, you do the math.

Please keep in mind that the extra space is used for jacked up graphics and gigapolygons which would make fuck-all of a difference, considering the size of the PSP screen.

PSP because General media. It has it's own version of DVD's. Nitendo's always great but I love sony. And it does have a fair amount of good games Like GTA:LCS, NBA, and some others I can't remeber. Oh yeah free online play as long as you are near somehere with a internet connection.

Everything prior to this point has already been redressed thoroughly enough that I don't need to bother, so I'll just rip this part a new one.


Fine, but they have credability. Now if you want to talk about quality games available now: WipeOut Pure, Valkyrie Profile Lenneth, Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, MegaMan Maverick Hunter X, Burnout Legends, Lumines, Metal Gear Acid, Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror, Tekken: Dark Resurrection, Tomb Raider: Legend. All quality games and something for everyone.

Although much of this is debatable, I will pass on it, as you seem to be aiming for nothing more than equivalance, rather than PSP superiority.


Again, bulky add-on, 3rd party quality. Sony already has it built in.

If you're blindly calling all third-party hardware inferior, then you're a moron. No more needs to be said about that.

However, in regards to Sony having that functionality built in, you still have to buy a larger memory stick to make effective use of it, and that will run about as much as the DS hard drive. Considering that the DS add-on has the necessary software included, you have no argument.


Exactly, "soon to be released" and it means more money to be spent for that feature. Sony comes built in and if DS was so great then Nintendo wouldn't need that too.

No one is required to buy it. Consider it a customization option. You pay less for the core system and can buy whatever upgrades for it you like, ensuring that you don't wind up paying for a bunch of features you never wanted in the first place.


Yeah, so. So is the PSP, Proof (http://psp.ign.com/articles/561/561098p1.html). Don't be fooled by the region code.

My apologies. I misread your earlier post and mistakenly took LocationFree to mean region free and addressed it as such. After looking over it again, I have realized my error. However, the the DS TV Tuner should offset that feature.


A lot of people do and it's a lot cheaper then a Magellan, TomTom or Garmin. And who said anything about Sony tracking your location, You're tracking your own location. What about Nintendo tracking your location with the wifi connection? - Doesn't that sound just as dumb as what you asked?

Apparently you do not understand something. A GPS system has to be controlled from a central location. Assuming that Sony is involved at all in that process, they would have access to your location at any given time. Nintendo is incapable of tracking anything more than your IP address through its WiFi system.

Everything prior to this point has already been redressed thoroughly enough that I don't need to bother, so I'll just rip this part a new one.

Although much of this is debatable, I will pass on it, as you seem to be aiming for nothing more than equivalance, rather than PSP superiority.

If you're blindly calling all third-party hardware inferior, then you're a moron. No more needs to be said about that.

However, in regards to Sony having that functionality built in, you still have to buy a larger memory stick to make effective use of it, and that will run about as much as the DS hard drive. Considering that the DS add-on has the necessary software included, you have no argument.

No one is required to buy it. Consider it a customization option. You pay less for the core system and can buy whatever upgrades for it you like, ensuring that you don't wind up paying for a bunch of features you never wanted in the first place.

My apologies. I misread your earlier post and mistakenly took LocationFree to mean region free and addressed it as such. After looking over it again, I have realized my error. However, the the DS TV Tuner should offset that feature.

Apparently you do not understand something. A GPS system has to be controlled from a central location. Assuming that Sony is involved at all in that process, they would have access to your location at any given time. Nintendo is incapable of tracking anything more than your IP address through its WiFi system.

I feel in this argument we are tied. No need to apologies about the location free, that's an honest mistake, but I will say the TV tuner is something I wish PSP did have. the location free is one feature I think is shit. the PSP could have a TV tuner if sony wanted to, but they're being stubbern about making one or letting 3rd parties distribute one. But once the DS has one I'm sure things will change. I still enjoy my RSS video/audio for now. And calling a third-party hardware inferior, after working 4 years in retail (Best Buy), you wont believe how much of 3rd party stuff comes back defective. the customer feed-back and people who chat about them online says it all. Paying less for the option of upgrades - the price difference for both core systems is only $70 and think that's worth it since the additional system upgrades are free. another $50 if you want the headphones w/ remote, strap, case, cloth, 32GB mem stick - I think that's a deal. And does it really matter if Sony knows where you're at with GPS? If you're not doing anything illegal, (not that it would matter, what could Sony possably do about it) then what would you have to worry about?

Lesee, lemme name the titles that prove your argument fails.

- Brain Age - I'll give you that one.
- Blades of Thunder - maybe that one.
- Children of Mana - this game has been done over and over, excelent series, though
- Electroplankton - uhh...
- Mario and Luigi : Partners in Time - not worth my time
- Over the Hedge - I'll let my 8 year old nephew back that one up.
- Pokemon Mystery Dungeon - *sighs*
- Real Time Conflict : Shogun Empires - I'll give you that one too.
- Spectrobes - so.
- Tao's Adventure - generic.
- Tales of the Tempest - meh.

Of course, I would name more, but I'm not exactly familliar with the DS games line up. You were saying? What games do you enjoy that can't be found in other consoles?

- WipeOut Pure - Trust me, after playing the first 3 on PSOne, 1 on PS2 and 1 on N64, It's a whole new experience and it's not on any other hand held.
- Mercury
- Lumines
- LocoRoco
- Gangs of London - play the demo and you'll know what I mean.
- Metal Gear Acid

I too am lazy right now to name more


The "quality" of the graphics has nothing to do with the overall quality of games, lard-for-brains. By your same logic, you could also say that the SNES, Genesis, NES and Sega Master System were crap. clearly this is a big hole in your logic.

True, quality of graphics may not matter, but you're working with a system that's half way from PSOne to N64 but without the storage capacty. PSP is pollygon for pollygon better then the PS2 and in the long run it will pay off. as for the SNES, Genesis, NES and Sega Master System - 1) they have nothing to do with this. 2) those are classic systems but revolutionary for there time and 3) Both nintendo systems were always better then sega's because they had better graphics, inovation and games - they owned that trifecta. All sega had was Altered Beast and Sonic, hardly enough to win those wars. When was the last time you seen a good "sega classic collection" on any system?


Fail, if the DS is trying to be a palm PC, then why did hardware manufacturers decide to release the addons for the DS even when sales are good? Nintendo let it happen to ensure there spot in the light and 3rd party saw it as a $$$ oportunity - everyone wins. everyone saw the PSP coming from a mile away. On the other side of the coin, why did Sony decide to add in features, half of which most gamers would hardly ever use, from the get go? To be an "all-in-one" ultimate machine. they never denied that. I like what Nintendo did with the DS's optional hardware upgrades, that way, gamers can pick the features they want and by doing so, spend their money more wisely. You mean on the next 14th generation of a gameboy system? or for all 72 versions of Pokemon?

Not to mention the resilliency of the DS when compared to the PSP, meaning that you hardly ever have to buy replacements when being careless, meaning you'll eventually spend less. If someone is being careless, then that's there problem and they deserve to have there system broken. It's not like the PSP is marketed for kids. When was the last time you seen a PSP commecial targeted to kids?



Only 40 USD? HELOO! Earth to Marvin! PSP games go for at least 400 HKD here, since 7.6 HKD translates to 1 USD, you do the math.Then it sucks to live where you do. We already have greatest hits games going for $20. I have yet to see a new game for more then $40. not sure if 400 HKD is a lot, but you make it sound like it.

Please keep in mind that the extra space is used for jacked up graphics and gigapolygons which would make fuck-all of a difference, considering the size of the PSP screen. yes it does make a difference on a bigger but not too big, sharp, crystal clear-qality wide-screen. I see every polygon just fine without squinting.

just watch this and decide for yourself.

pretend they said psp and ds and it'll make no diffrence lol

http://www.g4tv.com/pile_player.aspx?video_key=12487

just watch this and decide for yourself.

pretend they said psp and ds and it'll make no diffrence lol

http://www.g4tv.com/pile_player.aspx?video_key=12487

I see my wife Olivia Munn is in that video. I watched that part a few times before moving on. Did you notice the cheap girl had pimples on her butt when she spanked herself?

yah. both chicks are ugly imo but its a parody (i think) so i just thought it was hilarious.

Yes, neither are attractive. Olivia Munn makes them look even more unattractive.

btw. you say she's your wife in the sense that your just like her right? cause i do that with chicks like Lindsay Lohan or Scarlet Jo Hanson but not really....right? O_o

cause if your fking serious, your lucky. lol

of corse i'm not serious. But I do admir her every day there's a new Daily Nut pod cast on my PSP. :D

I say "wife" for a lot of women too, jessica alba, angelina jolie, ashe, shakira, that thing that crawls down the stairs in the Grudge.

edit: also my car, my PSP and my magical unicorn.

of corse i'm not serious. But I do admir her every day there's a new Daily Nut pod cast on my PSP. :D

I say "wife" for a lot of women too, jessica alba, angelina jolie, ashe, shakira, that thing that crawls down the stairs in the Grudge.

edit: also my car, my PSP and my magical unicorn.

Olivia Munn is really sexy!!!!!! Ill fight you for her lol. j/k

And calling a third-party hardware inferior, after working 4 years in retail (Best Buy), you wont believe how much of 3rd party stuff comes back defective. the customer feed-back and people who chat about them online says it all.

While it's true that most of the third-party gear sold on the market is inferior because it's a cheaper knock-off of a first-party product, it isn't true in all cases. Right now, we're talking about an item that has no first-party counterpart, so it's not being manufactured at a lower standard to compete with better products. I've looked over a couple DS homebrew sites and I haven't found any significant complaints about the unit, so I think that point falls flat.


Paying less for the option of upgrades - the price difference for both core systems is only $70 and think that's worth it since the additional system upgrades are free. another $50 if you want the headphones w/ remote, strap, case, cloth, 32GB mem stick - I think that's a deal.

32 MB. Not GB. That's hardly a significant storage capacity and really isn't useful for anything other than storing save files for games.

Now, consider that the DS has no need of a case or cloth due to its design, includes a strap, and often includes a game at a discounted rate. Even after purchasing the web browser software, and perhaps even a TV Tuner, the DS is considerably less expensive than the PSP. A 4GB hard drive for either system runs about the same, so that can be discounted.


And does it really matter if Sony knows where you're at with GPS? If you're not doing anything illegal, (not that it would matter, what could Sony possably do about it) then what would you have to worry about?

Do you honestly feel comfortable with a corporation tracking the movements of consumers to do covert marketing research at their expense?

It depends on what you want to do, DS is purely for games, and it does this one area slightly better than the PSP. Not technologically, but simply in terms of what it has to offer. But if you also want to watch movies and shows or do stuff like that, PSP is definitely better as a portable media player.

Do you honestly believe that the "covert marketing research" isn't already going on?

It most likely is. Haha you know something about it I bet

Do you honestly believe that the "covert marketing research" isn't already going on?

I'm not nearly naive enough to think it isn't already happening, but I'm sure as hell not going to knowingly contribute to it.

Name one negative thing that can result from that research being done.

It depends on what you want to do, DS is purely for games, and it does this one area slightly better than the PSP. Not technologically, but simply in terms of what it has to offer. But if you also want to watch movies and shows or do stuff like that, PSP is definitely better as a portable media player.


I think the psp should have been a "gaming system". The umds are failing. No one is buying them and why listen to music on the big ol psp when you can buy, or have an ipod? So I think if you look at both systems and look at what they hoped to accomplish, the DS wins. Im not talking about financial, because I dont know how many units each has sold or etc.....

I think the psp should have been a "gaming system". The umds are failing. You have to realize this is SONY we are talking about no matter what they do they will never fail.
No one is buying them and why listen to music on the big ol psp when you can buy, or have an ipod? Because you would be spending more money the new Video ipods are a buttload of money 6 GBs of memory isn't cheap.
So I think if you look at both systems and look at what they hoped to accomplish, the DS wins. I don't really think so because I know a lot of people who have and plan on buying PSPs they made it a general media player so people don't have a normal gaming system, an iPod, and a portable DVD they just made it one general system. There is one danger though people who are d/l roms and other add-ons on their PSPs beware if you D/l a trojan virus it's worse than on a computer becaue it screws around with the whole on/off function everything. If you get a virus it can get "bricked" wich is a downside.

You have to realize this is SONY we are talking about no matter what they do they will never fail.Because you would be spending more money the new Video ipods are a buttload of money 6 GBs of memory isn't cheap. I don't really think so because I know a lot of people who have and plan on buying PSPs they made it a general media player so people don't have a normal gaming system, an iPod, and a portable DVD they just made it one general system. There is one danger though people who are d/l roms and other add-ons on their PSPs beware if you D/l a trojan virus it's worse than on a computer becaue it screws around with the whole on/off function everything. If you get a virus it can get "bricked" wich is a downside.


Im not talking about sony failing, Im saying that the whole UMD format is failing. How much does a UMD go for? And to top it off, you dont even get any special features.

Ok so you dont get an ipod and you stick to the psp for music, how many songs can you fit on it? How much are the memory cards? I think if you want an all around multimedia device the psp is great. I really havent seen or met anyone who takes full advantage of the psp. I see people listening to there music on the ipods, watching the movies at home and just using the psp as a gaming system.

You have to realize this is SONY we are talking about no matter what they do they will never fail.

Betamax.

Well now it is obsolete I'm sure when it came out it was fairly decent.

It was always decent, even when it died. It's just that Sony relied on their self-perceived ability to dictate what consumers wanted and they found that they were mistaken. They failed to compete with the features offered by VHS and lost too much market share to make up.

Sony's still guilty of the same attitude these days. They're completely determined to shape the market in their favor, and it will eventually bite them on the ass again.

It was always decent, even when it died. It's just that Sony relied on their self-perceived ability to dictate what consumers wanted and they found that they were mistaken. They failed to compete with the features offered by VHS and lost too much market share to make up.

Sony's still guilty of the same attitude these days. They're completely determined to shape the market in their favor, and it will eventually bite them on the ass again.

yup, ps3 might do that to them.

You have to realize this is SONY we are talking about no matter what they do they will never fail.

Mini Disk

Oho. I forgot about that, but it is an example of outright failure if there ever was one!

Oho. I forgot about that, but it is an example of outright failure if there ever was one!

I don't think you emphisized on "outright failure" enough so I took it apon myself.

The only thing Sony did right was the Playstation, the PS2 had great 3rd party support but shitty hardware.

Every company has its downfalls. Sony just so happens to be one of the things that, regardless of downfalls, somehow happens to keep its fanbase holding strong. Which, I might add, includes myself as I am an avid PS fan. On a related note, how te hell is DS beating PSP in the poll? Neither system has come out with a fantastic game as-of-yet so basically they have to be rated based on other things. Personally, I don't think the DS even TOUCHES the PSP in terms of greatness.

What is that in your Ava a man raping a snowman.

You have to realize this is SONY we are talking about no matter what they do they will never fail.
What in the world are you talking about? Sony isn't the world's perfect company with a completely clean resume.

Every company has its downfalls. Sony just so happens to be one of the things that, regardless of downfalls, somehow happens to keep its fanbase holding strong. Which, I might add, includes myself as I am an avid PS fan. On a related note, how te hell is DS beating PSP in the poll? Neither system has come out with a fantastic game as-of-yet so basically they have to be rated based on other things. Personally, I don't think the DS even TOUCHES the PSP in terms of greatness.
Because the DS has several excellent games, and a considerable amount more quality games than the PSP.

What in the world are you talking about? Sony isn't the world's perfect company with a completely clean resume.

No not like that all companies have there ups and downs, but Sony still remains one of the best entertainment companies, which has dominated almost every version of media. TV, gaming, music (cd players, Mp3 players) and DVDs. They can fail a project miserably and still have enogh money to hold them over.

No not like that all companies have there ups and downs, but Sony still remains one of the best entertainment companies, which has dominated almost every version of media. TV, gaming, music (cd players, Mp3 players) and DVDs. They can fail a project miserably and still have enogh money to hold them over.
If they fail with the PS3, it's going to be a really big blow to them however. Sony is betting everything on this console, and if it doesn't work out, that would be really bad news for them. And since the PSP has yet to achieve good success, they don't have much of anything to fall back on in case it does.

You have to realize this is SONY we are talking about no matter what they do they will never fail.

Quoted for extreme retardation.

The DS acheives what it was designed for, to be a games console, and in my opinion it is the better of the two. The PSP was designed to be a multimedia device, which it does well also. However the lack of games, or at least quality titles, means that it fails as a console, in my opinion at least.

Well give it some time PS2 also took some time to produce great titles. Plus most of their titles are spin-offs (sequels to PS2 titles). And PSP has had moderate success but $199.99 is still a lot plus tax. Only people I know who have it are kids that work or kids that have spoiling parents. PS3 will be interesting to see seeing as people are saying 600-1000USD. I don't see why it was made now I need to get a plasma TV too play Hi-Def games wtf!.

Every company has its downfalls. Sony just so happens to be one of the things that, regardless of downfalls, somehow happens to keep its fanbase holding strong. Which, I might add, includes myself as I am an avid PS fan. On a related note, how te hell is DS beating PSP in the poll? Neither system has come out with a fantastic game as-of-yet so basically they have to be rated based on other things. Personally, I don't think the DS even TOUCHES the PSP in terms of greatness.

Quoted for legendary retardation.

Every company has its downfalls. Sony just so happens to be one of the things that, regardless of downfalls, somehow happens to keep its fanbase holding strong. Which, I might add, includes myself as I am an avid PS fan. On a related note, how te hell is DS beating PSP in the poll? Neither system has come out with a fantastic game as-of-yet so basically they have to be rated based on other things. Personally, I don't think the DS even TOUCHES the PSP in terms of greatness.
No kidding!

PSP for sure.........................

Every company has its downfalls. Sony just so happens to be one of the things that, regardless of downfalls, somehow happens to keep its fanbase holding strong. Which, I might add, includes myself as I am an avid PS fan. On a related note, how te hell is DS beating PSP in the poll? Neither system has come out with a fantastic game as-of-yet so basically they have to be rated based on other things. Personally, I don't think the DS even TOUCHES the PSP in terms of greatness.

Just wait for the next zelda to come out on DS. Wait till FF3 hits the DS. Zelda alone brings a system alot of attention. The only big game I see being released for the psp this year is grand theft auto vice city stories.

The PSP's biggest failure for me are the problems with dead pixels. Almost all of the PSPs I've seen have had dead pixels. I've never seen a DS with a dead pixel. Dead pixels always get my attention while playing games.

Example: I use to play Tribes back before Sierra screwed up and made Tribes 2. We had a dead pixel on the comp screen, and I'd always think that was an enemy, so I would always try to shoot at it.

My PSP has dead pixels, and it drives me crazy when I'm trying to play GTA: Liberty City Stories.

Every company has its downfalls. Sony just so happens to be one of the things that, regardless of downfalls, somehow happens to keep its fanbase holding strong. Which, I might add, includes myself as I am an avid PS fan. On a related note, how te hell is DS beating PSP in the poll? Neither system has come out with a fantastic game as-of-yet so basically they have to be rated based on other things. Personally, I don't think the DS even TOUCHES the PSP in terms of greatness.


PSP for sure.........................

Retards quoted for posterity.

Slim, if you think there are no fantastic games for DS, you have A) never played a DS and never read any reviews of its games, B) are an absolute idiot, or C) are lying out your ass to protect your blatant bias. Off the top of my head, I can name at least half a dozen AAA titles for the DS.

Retards quoted for posterity.

Slim, if you think there are no fantastic games for DS, you have A) never played a DS and never read any reviews of its games, B) are an absolute idiot, or C) are lying out your ass to protect your blatant bias. Off the top of my head, I can name at least half a dozen AAA titles for the DS.

If you only look at the way I quoted his post you'd see the sarcasm.

Ah, I missed your first bolding, so the sarcasm was lost. My apologies!

Erroneous quote removed.

DS

The games on it are in a wider-variety that doesn't necessarily have to be for gamers. I like Nintendogs and Brain Age/Big Brain Academy and those are nice to settle down with games. And there's also the wifi, the games that are wifi enabled offer more replay value.

PSP has better graphics but the people who have a DS are happier; I think

i think its hard to say which is better. DS was built for gaming and PSP was built for basically everything (pics, games, music, etc.)

i think its hard to say which is better when they both have so many pros and cons

btw i dont see whats so great about pictochat. you type stuff to people 20 feet away from you when you could easily say it to them. lol i dont get it :-P

Just wait for the next zelda to come out on DS. Wait till FF3 hits the DS. Zelda alone brings a system alot of attention. The only big game I see being released for the psp this year is grand theft auto vice city stories.

Oh I can't wait! Those games should prove to be excellent DS games, and I will surely purchase them. But, PSP also has many upcoming games to look forward to. Just look at Metal Gear Solid? That will attract as much attention to the PSP as Zelda to the DS. In case none of you know what I am talking about, PSP is coming out with a Metal Gear Solid that is actually a Metal Gear Solid. Not another one of those Acid retards-attempts-at-a-game.

EDIT: And to all you people that keep calling certain people retards for their opinion, you are nothing but insulted fanboys. I can honestly say that I am a fan of both Nintendo and Sony, in fact, Microsoft as well. I can not discriminate against one company just because I might be madly in love with another. If they make good games, they are good in my books.

That Zelda game looks awesome you can take notes and put them on the top screen.

Oh I can't wait! Those games should prove to be excellent DS games, and I will surely purchase them. But, PSP also has many upcoming games to look forward to. Just look at Metal Gear Solid? That will attract as much attention to the PSP as Zelda to the DS. In case none of you know what I am talking about, PSP is coming out with a Metal Gear Solid that is actually a Metal Gear Solid. Not another one of those Acid retards-attempts-at-a-game.

EDIT: And to all you people that keep calling certain people retards for their opinion, you are nothing but insulted fanboys. I can honestly say that I am a fan of both Nintendo and Sony, in fact, Microsoft as well. I can not discriminate against one company just because I might be madly in love with another. If they make good games, they are good in my books.


Yes I know all about the metal gear psp game. Its metal gear prtable ops. But that is one game. It will surely sell but im not sure if thats enough.

And in metal gear acids defense, they are not bad games. They are actually really good.

And in metal gear acids defense, they are not bad games. They are actually really good.

I don't totally disagree with you there, however, i do not feel that they match up to the Metal Gear series. I own the first Acid game and I wasn't all that disappointed, it just could have been better I feel. I do really like the tactics factor!

The only thing Sony did right was the Playstation, the PS2 had great 3rd party support but shitty hardware.

You are right, however playstation was originally going to be the snes cd. (well that was their goal in the start)

I think Ps2 was pretty good for its time but now it turns to be really old and the 3rd party comapaies have pushed ps2 to its limits.

Now about PSP and DS. Nintendo is probaby the best company on portable consoles with gameboy. DS brings up an ew way of playing. It can play gameboy advance games (and some of them are pretty good) and have some of the best games on portable consoles (final fantasy 3, resident evil, super mario 64 DS, nintendo dogs etc)

PSP its something different. You can play movies, music, pictures etc. People will soon have the ability to play ps1 games on psp. But for me it has nothing really new. Meybe it even has too much!

If they fail with the PS3, it's going to be a really big blow to them however. Sony is betting everything on this console, and if it doesn't work out, that would be really bad news for them. And since the PSP has yet to achieve good success, they don't have much of anything to fall back on in case it does.

Sony is betting everything in their gaming console division on this console, the rest of Sony, however, will be only marginally affected by it.

Sony is betting everything in their gaming console division on this console, the rest of Sony, however, will be only marginally affected by it.

True enough, but if the PS3 doesn't take off... Blue-Ray might not either; and that could snowball on them. This console cannot flop, for their sake. The potential for some big problems is there...

The potential for big problems is there for both the Wii and the PS3, Xbox 360 is already having the normal issues with a new console (bricking processor overheats were an issue in some of the early models at launch, a few other minor things that are typical of huge launches like that).

As to Blue-Ray, it already has a solid enough base in Japan and the rest of Asia thanks to the Sony loyalty over there to help it survive.

The PS3 may suffer in the rest of the world in the short term due to it's prohibitively high initial price, but it's dominance in Asia is pretty much assured--which probably has a lot to do with Sony's attitude during E3 and the other gaming exhibits (something they've had since the PSX).

Basically, Sony will offer a product to the US, but the current CEOs and the like are old-school businessmen from that region of the world--they really don't give a fuck if Americans or other nationalities buy their product, they know they've got Japan in the bag, so they don't give a shit.

The potential for big problems is there for both the Wii and the PS3, Xbox 360 is already having the normal issues with a new console (bricking processor overheats were an issue in some of the early models at launch, a few other minor things that are typical of huge launches like that).

As to Blue-Ray, it already has a solid enough base in Japan and the rest of Asia thanks to the Sony loyalty over there to help it survive.

The PS3 may suffer in the rest of the world in the short term due to it's prohibitively high initial price, but it's dominance in Asia is pretty much assured--which probably has a lot to do with Sony's attitude during E3 and the other gaming exhibits (something they've had since the PSX).

Basically, Sony will offer a product to the US, but the current CEOs and the like are old-school businessmen from that region of the world--they really don't give a fuck if Americans or other nationalities buy their product, they know they've got Japan in the bag, so they don't give a shit.

Unfortunately, there is way too much truth in all that. I only hope it hasn't made Sony too complacent.

yes
there is truth in

they really don't give a fuck if Americans or other nationalities buy their product
..
sure jim

as for Blue-Ray
it doesnt have a base in Japan or the rest of Asia or any part of the world
same for HD-DVD
i hope they both fail


Xbox 360 is already having the normal issues with a new console (bricking processor overheats were an issue in some of the early models at launch, a few other minor things that are typical of huge launches like that).
what?

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I thikn that the psp is starting to shine now,with titles like tekken,metal gear solid,daxter,gta,crisis core and tony hawks undeground 2 its now worth buying + with all the things you can do on a psp movies music ect. , its gonna mop the floor with the DS and thats not the best thing theres going to be a PS1 Emulator on it soon! thats certainly worth getting a psp for,the only game that i have a bit of interest in of the DS selection is the FFIII remake

...and when the emulator comes out we get to look forward to (pretty much) EVERY Final Fantasy created save the PS2 and 3 ones. Touche.

yes
there is truth in

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sure jim

You have no real idea how condescending and racist the typical asia-born businessman is concerning the US and Europe, do you?


as for Blue-Ray
it doesnt have a base in Japan or the rest of Asia or any part of the world
same for HD-DVD
i hope they both fail

In Japan, Sony = God of all electronic gadgets.


what?

That was a stab at the people talking about all the possible things that could go wrong with the PS3s at launch.

What has this got to do with racism and how would you even know?
Sony will definitly get their demand goin on in Japan but saying they dont care about those other 60% of potential buyers is just retarted.

And electronic gadgets? They only have the PSP as far as i know.
Every mp3 player out there is getting their ass kicked by iPod and all their other gadgets(minidisc, umd) are dying or dead.

Or what gadgets are you referring to?

...and when the emulator comes out we get to look forward to (pretty much) EVERY Final Fantasy created save the PS2 and 3 ones. Touche.
And don't forget that most of the Final Fantasy games, save the PS2 and PS3 ones, are/will be available to play on the Nintendo DS.

Not to mention Tales of the Tempest, while the PSP is getting reshashes of older Tales of...games.

And don't forget that most of the Final Fantasy games, save the PS2 and PS3 ones, are/will be available to play on the Nintendo DS.

Yeah, you know, or not. How about 7, 8, 9, Tactics, Chronicles, Anthology, etc? What most exactly are you talking about?

Yeah, you know, or not. How about 7, 8, 9, Tactics, Chronicles, Anthology, etc? What most exactly are you talking about?
Read what I wrote before you respond, and what you wrote as well. We both said most of the FF games <B>save for ps2 and ps3 ones</B>.

None of the ones he listed are for the PS2, they are all PSX-era games.

Chronicles and Anthology can't be counted in Slim's point though, since superior versions of all those games will soon be on GBA.

7,8,9 will be on GBA or am I misinterpreting.

I don't think it's at all unreasonable to say there's not a chance in hell of that happening.

I think it is seeing as that is a fair amount of data even when shrunk to 16-bit...I believe, and I don't think they plan on making people center on a small screen to enjoy an FF.

JFTR, I have absolutely no idea what kind of point you're trying to make.

Oh sorry forgot the word don't. I'm saying that's too much data for GBA Unless they plan on coming up with multi-cartridge games like PSX disks. Plus I don't think you could get a good feel with the GBA screen, squinting at details.

Chronicles and Anthology can't be counted in Slim's point though, since superior versions of all those games will soon be on GBA.

Only if by "superior" you mean "broken".

EDIT: The issue with the ability to see the details on the GBA screen, ETC.

Okay, I really must see how you intend to back that up. Please elaborate.

I love how my point went well ignored. :P

Okay, I really must see how you intend to back that up. Please elaborate.

No problem.

For comparison sake, let's say this is how it looks on your normal TV screen:



Okay?

This is how it will look on the GBA:



Also, the GBA cannot process the current FMV's that were included in Anthologies.

Also, Pt. 2: I'm already biased against handheld consoles anyway, but I don't see how FF6 can possibly be as enjoyable on the GBA as it is kicked back in a recliner playing it on the big screen TV across the room (the only reason I like Valkyrie Profile on the PSP is because it's next to impossible to get for the PSX today).

Having played the GBA version of FFIV, I can safely say that the graphics are not cause for concern. They look much sharper than you would probably think since they've been polished a bit for the new release. As for the FMVs, they don't seem to add anything to the games at all, so their loss won't be a major detriment.

So long as they preserve some of the levelling glitches and the like the same way they did in the PSX version, all will probably be good.

Still won't be a superior product, though.

Ive played FF dawn of souls and FF4 GBA and it didnt bother me at the least that they were on the handheld. Im actually happy they were put on the handheld because I might not even play them at all on the big screen. Anyway it seems that on most days, im on the go way more then when I am home so the FF gba ports are perfect for someone like me.

DS is better

DS is better
Quote spoken by a true gamer.

OR SOMETHING

Quote spoken by a true gamer.
A 'true' gamer? What makes a person who thinks the DS is better a true gamer? Of course, I do think the DS is the better of the two handhelds, but if he believes that he has to say more than that simple statement.

I'd say the DS is better.

After buying the DS, it was kinda large on the hands. The light was nice, it did the job. Graphics weren't that good, but it brang me hours of fun. Awsome games aswell. It's system is very user-friendly, and just is wonderful.
It is a cheap system, and the games are cheap too. Less money.

Then, on the other hand. After selling it for a DS Lite, it was wonderful. It was easier to hold, more comfortable & it's stick more comfortable. Brighter screen - no more glare for the evil long trips in the car. 18 Hours of battery life, that's quite appealing. Both of these DS's have a very fast loading sceren for most games. The system is expensive, and games can be expensive. (Sometimes.)

Now. For the PSP. After buying it, it was quite a nice system. Exept the games kinda suck. It's graphics are nice, but a massive loading screen. Even though this has more features, it took me atleast 10 minutes to find out how to load up the game, and figure out what other features do.

After trying both of them out, I'd say the DS is a much better choise. It's cheaper, more creative, lasts longer, no glare. It's quite a better system for your money.

Ok I Just Have A Quick Query I Plan To Buy A DS Mainly Cos i Hope They Get Some Fire Emblem Games Because They Had me Palying My GBA More Than My PS2... Anyways Whats A DS Lite? Is It More Features Or (hopefully) Cheaper?

Also As Far As the Debate Goes I Think That Both Of these Consoles Arent That Great... Both Have Ports Of Existing Games On Consoles And Have Weird or Useless Features...

However As Far As Games Library Goes Id Say DS... Unless Polyphony Get Off their Butts An Realease GT4 On Psp Here Real Fast...

Ok I Just Have A Quick Query I Plan To Buy A DS Mainly Cos i Hope They Get Some Fire Emblem Games Because They Had me Palying My GBA More Than My PS2... Anyways Whats A DS Lite? Is It More Features Or (hopefully) Cheaper?

Also As Far As the Debate Goes I Think That Both Of these Consoles Arent That Great... Both Have Ports Of Existing Games On Consoles And Have Weird or Useless Features...

However As Far As Games Library Goes Id Say DS... Unless Polyphony Get Off their Butts An Realease GT4 On Psp Here Real Fast...
The DS Lite is the enhanced version of the DS. It's lighter, noticablly brighter screens, better battery life, a more useful stylus, and it's just a lot sexier. I think both versions are currently $129, but pink and black ds lite colors come out in a few days.

DS is better...but...but the PSP has Locoroco! WAHHHH!!

PSP wins on graphics however the DS overrates PSP on quality. I think that DS has really good games, for example nice RPGs, backward compartibility with the advance titles which some of them are excellent, the super mario games that are real fun etc. On gameplay DS overrates PSP. The dual screens and the use of stylus introduce a new way of gaming and thats probably the best thing on the DS games.

if i had to get one it would be the DS. i kind of want a DS. kind of.

I love my PSP because it's a media handheld. It's a video iPod and a portable PlayStation 2 rolled into one, with tonnes of potential.

That has yet to be fulfilled.

The three games that got the most playtime on my PS2 were Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 2 and Kingdom Hearts. The PSP doesn't have anything up to the quality of these three titles; the Metal Gear AC!D games aren't really up to Metal Gear Solid's cinematic standards. Even the upcoming Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops is hampered by its 'anime-style' cutscenes. What the fuck? I suppose it comes down to saving UMD space, but I'd prefer a two-UMD game that was a proper fucking Metal Gear.

When it comes to RPGs, the PSP has nothing of quality. It doesn't have a FF10, a KH, a KotOR. Probably the best RPG I have on the PSP is Valkyrie Profile, and it's about the same quality as Star Ocean: Til the End of Time on my PS2. Enjoyable, deep, but not fantastic and polished.

The DS, meanwhile, knows exactly what it is. It's a portable Nintendo 64+ combined with innovation. It is the precursor to the Wii in every single way, and it has proven its quality from day one. Super Mario 64 was the perfect launch title for the Nintendo 64, and Super Mario 64 DS was the perfect showcase for the DS' abilities. Since then, Nintendo has proven itself again and again; personal favourites include Metroid Prime: Hunters, Nintendogs, and New Super Mario Bros.

Not to mention, that come November 20, the DS is giving me what i've been desiring; a proper, fully-polished, portable Square-Enix RPG. Final Fantasy III DS has graphics that are better than the PlayStation Final Fantasies, and even makes use of the DS' touchscreen and wi-fi.

I really don't like to choose between them, but if I was forced to give up one, i'd give up my PSP. My DS has far superior games, and my DS Lite is even sexier than Sony's PSP.

However, I still think the PSP has more potential. I really want a company like Square-Enix or Konami (or even BioWare, though they've turned their attentions to the DS) to fully take advantage of the format. A Kingdom Hearts game on the PSP would be incredibly fantastic.

I bought my DS mainly for the upcoming Pearl/Diamond POK&#233;MON games. I bought my DS months ago, but I have yet to use it for the first time.

Oh, yeah, I also bought it for Final Fantasy III.

I'd prefer a two-UMD game that was a proper fucking Metal Gear.

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A Kingdom Hearts game on the PSP would be incredibly fantastic.

True

I got my PSP for only one game: Initial D: Street Stage. But a new Silent Hill game is coming out for it and I might get that because I love the SH games.

I got my PSP for only one game: Initial D: Street Stage. But a new Silent Hill game is coming out for it and I might get that because I love the SH games.

I am a bit disgruntled about that new Earthworm Jim game debuting expressly for the PSP. Too bad. :notgood:

Earthworm Jim you say?? It better be good because I loved the one for the Sega Genisis.

you mean the one for the awesome snes right? lol

cause if that's what you mean, yah it WAS awesome. (on the snes)

i intended to bring this thread back. only to find it already is!

again. DS.

I honestly would buy PSP now but I know with SONY's record there will be some extention, The PSP will most-likely actually take the picures eventually. But the DS has no room for improvement the DS lite is nothing new, just a new color. All they can really do is make it lighter or brighter can they increase software potential to 1/10 of that of a laptop, like the PSP can, I think not.

I onestly would buy PSP now but i know with SONY's record there will e some extention, The PSP will most-likely actualy take the picures eventually. But the DS has no room fo improvement the DS lite is noting new just a new color. All they can really do is make it lighter or brighter can they increase software potential of 1/10 of that of a laptop, like the PSP can I think not.
Quoted for retardation.

I honestly would buy PSP now but I know with SONY's record there will be some extention, The PSP will most-likely actually take the picures eventually. But the DS has no room for improvement the DS lite is nothing new, just a new color. All they can really do is make it lighter or brighter can they increase software potential to 1/10 of that of a laptop, like the PSP can, I think not.


Means nothing especially when the psp is "GAMING" system.

Ds is a better machine hands down.

Means nothing especially when the psp is "GAMING" system.

Ds is a better machine hands down.

One thing is for sure, it's definitely the better value machine out of the two. Much as i've got no issues with playing on the PSP as well as the DS, I certainly wouldn't purchase a PSP at the prices being charged for them in the stores at the moment.

One thing is for sure, it's definitely the better value machine out of the two. Much as i've got no issues with playing on the PSP as well as the DS, I certainly wouldn't purchase a PSP at the prices being charged for them in the stores at the moment.
Actually, the PSP was lowered to $150 down from $200 I think.

Bullshit, it's still $225 from where I am.

Bullshit, it's still $225 from where I am.
I said 'I think'. As it turns out, apparently the PSP is still $200. But I also heard that it was going to lower to $150 shortly.

I'm telling you give to 3 years at the most annd there is going to be a PSP upgrade like a PSp with a built in HDTV or a digital camera/recorder. Why does Sonny always improve their hardware, rather than make new ones? Noot to mention the PSP needs to release original games not spin-offs.

I'm telling you give to 3 years at the most annd there is going to be a PSP upgrade like a PSp with a built in HDTV or a digital camera/recorder. Why does Sonny always improve their hardware, rather than make new ones? Noot to mention the PSP needs to release original games not spin-offs.
It's generally easier to improve hardware by bringout out add-ons and such, instead of creating a brand new handheld.

Yeah ii get that but then you're left with outdated hardware, and not everybody willing to piss of more money after a better version of something they already bought, annd that still doesn't excuse the lack of original PSP titles.

It depends on which DS you have. Normal or lite.

I have a DS lite and my bro has a PSP.

Are'nt handhelf GAME systems supposed to be for games? oooooo! I can watch movies on my PSP!

I like the DS because they have such games like Resident Evil, Mario bros, and Mario Kart. Plus the new Final Fantasy comming the 14th of this month.

It depends on which DS you have. Normal or lite.

I have a DS lite and my bro has a PSP.

Are'nt handhelf GAME systems supposed to be for games? oooooo! I can watch movies on my PSP!

I like the DS because they have such games like Resident Evil, Mario bros, and Mario Kart. Plus the new Final Fantasy comming the 14th of this month.


qft. Thats why DS overrates PSP. It has games with "quality". The Resident Evil for example has a mode called rebirth in which u use several features of the DS. The new Mario Bros was a great idea. 4 Final Fantasy games are coming on ds/game boy advance and a dragon quest and final fantasy iv are already out. Super Mario 64 DS was the perfect game to publish with the console. Dont forget the nintendodogs and the pokemon series. And of course for the old school gamers the Original Mario Bros that came out on game boy advance. Ah and Kightom Hearts and Final Fantasy Tactics :)

When i think of games on PSP very few come in mind that are games with "quality". The GTA games are an exsample, but they get old fast. The new Ghosts&Goblins is a great idea, and the upcoming Silent Hill Origins seems to give something for the psp funs out there, although i doupt you can enjoy a game like silent hill on a handheld console.

It depends on which DS you have. Normal or lite.

I have a DS lite and my bro has a PSP.

Are'nt handhelf GAME systems supposed to be for games? oooooo! I can watch movies on my PSP!

I like the DS because they have such games like Resident Evil, Mario bros, and Mario Kart. Plus the new Final Fantasy comming the 14th of this month.

oooh, I can play every single game that came out on any game console prior to the N64 on my PSP with emulators, that's everything from Colecovision to Neo-Geo and Gameboy Advance (and all consoles in between), without having to buy any special flash-carts or transfer hardware.

Straight up homebrew and roms, folks.


The new Ghosts&Goblins is a great idea, and the upcoming Silent Hill Origins seems to give something for the psp funs out there, although i doupt you can enjoy a game like silent hill on a handheld console.

Earphones/buds.

oooh, I can play every single game that came out on any game console prior to the N64 on my PSP with emulators, that's everything from Colecovision to Neo-Geo and Gameboy Advance (and all consoles in between), without having to buy any special flash-carts or transfer hardware.

Straight up homebrew and roms, folks.


To remind you. Roms are illegal (except if u own the original games) and have errors.

oooh, I can play every single game that came out on any game console prior to the N64 on my PSP with emulators, that's everything from Colecovision to Neo-Geo and Gameboy Advance (and all consoles in between), without having to buy any special flash-carts or transfer hardware.

Straight up homebrew and roms, folks.
oooooh, you still use this as your excuse every time the 'quality' of actual PSP made games is brought up.

Yeah, actually you just prove my point. PSP does not have games with "quality" itself!

Yeah, actually you just prove my point. PSP does not have games, that aren't console ports or spinoffs of good games, with "quality" itself!

Fixed, as it's the only reason I'll ever consider getting one. ;)

i'm trying to convince my little bro that it's a piece of shit. but he's only 12 and don't know jack about games. plus xmas is coming so i might just surprise him with it anyway. but i told him at the store, "here look, these are all the psp games out...which would you get?"

he just stared forever not knowing. even he new the pickings were shit. and he's normally bad at telling which games are good or not. the rom thing is the only thing that could justify the purchase along with the extras like music and pictorz. i just hope the loading times are exxaggerated from some funny flash movies i've seen. lol he won't have the patience for it.

also, are the new "models" harder to play roms on? any limitatiosn? should i get him a used one?


i plan to get him a psp, and my sisters and i a DS. (each...maybe.. O_o) yah. i'm totally splurging this xmas. lol

DS is superior to PSP in pretty much every way a gaming handheld should be. I was really disappointed with the PSP. So much money paid for an experience I can already get on my PS2. The only games I've found worth the time on PSP are Lumines, Syphon Filter, and GTA. Don't have to mention 2 of those 3 games are ports, oh wait, Lumines is on PS2, nevermind.

i'm trying to convince my little bro that it's a piece of shit. but he's only 12 and don't know jack about games. plus xmas is coming so i might just surprise him with it anyway. but i told him at the store, "here look, these are all the psp games out...which would you get?"

he just stared forever not knowing. even he new the pickings were shit. and he's normally bad at telling which games are good or not. the rom thing is the only thing that could justify the purchase along with the extras like music and pictorz. i just hope the loading times are exxaggerated from some funny flash movies i've seen. lol he won't have the patience for it.

also, are the new "models" harder to play roms on? any limitatiosn? should i get him a used one?


i plan to get him a psp, and my sisters and i a DS. (each...maybe.. O_o) yah. i'm totally splurging this xmas. lol

The newer firmwares are more difficult to run homebrew on, but newer games won't run without the newer firmwares.

I'd recommend getting the devHook homebrew app and a used PSP, because devHook emulates the newer firmware versions.


To remind you. Roms are illegal (except if u own the original games) and have errors.

I own all of the games that I downloaded roms for, it's just that the old consoles that would play them either don't work anymore or the carts themselves are dead.

Also: They don't have errors if you get them from the right places.


oooooh, you still use this as your excuse every time the 'quality' of actual PSP made games is brought up.

There has not been a single DS game that I've been interested in other than Phoenix Wright, and the reviews I've seen on it have not justified buying one (my primary interest was based on how funny it sounded "OBJECTION!").

And there hasn't been a single criticism of the "quality" of a PSP game brought up on here that isn't so full of shit that it isn't worth considering (most of them stemming from criticizing games by developers that can't make a good game on any platform).

The fact still stands that the PSP is grossly overpriced for any casual gamer who wants a good handheld to play with on the go. While it's good that it has extra features off the box, the fact most of it that it's rarely, if ever used greatly marks down the cost-efficiency of the machine.

Both handhelds are guilty of ports, and the DS has a large library of games that appeal to the old-school and newbie gamers, while the PSP has a large library of games that appeal to the fans of games appearing on the PS/2, aka capitalize on the sucess of the PS/2. thanks to the 3rd-party support.

My main gripe with the DS is the distinct lack of level-up adventure games that aren't too easy or doesn't have Final Fantasy slapped onto it. On the PSP, I have quite a few awesome games to look forward to, like Tales of Phantasia : FVE/Eternia/Destiny 2, Tales of the World : Radiant Mythology, Valkyrie Profile : Lenneth.

I hereby take back everything negative I said about the PSP, as it's only apparent downside, and it's a crippling one, is it's hefty price tag and low cost-efficiency.

The PS3, however, will be commercially boycotted by me and a few of my friends. Even if they release the next messiahs of video games.

The newer firmwares are more difficult to run homebrew on, but newer games won't run without the newer firmwares.

I'd recommend getting the devHook homebrew app and a used PSP, because devHook emulates the newer firmware versions.






how far back should i go in firmware? which is the best of them all?

if i'm lucky enough to be able to tell and choose (maybe by looking under the psp?) i'd like to get the best one.

Get the PSP with version 1.5 firmware and read this website (http://www.devhook.ca/).

My PSP is boring.

No suprise as to why I do not play it.
I have no good games for it.

I would go pick up Vice City Stories, but I know that is going to be just as shitty as the last one, so I will wait for the major price drop in the next few months.

PSP still rules.


Get the PSP with version 1.5 firmware and read this website (http://www.devhook.ca/).

Another great option, however 1.5 is hard to find. :(

Ixnine, you just tried to pss your opinion as a fact ;)

PSP still rules.
You know, since you're so awesome at persuading people how wonderful the PSP is, maybe you should go around the globe and convince people to actually <B>buy</B> one.

PSP still rules.



Another great option, however 1.5 is hard to find. :(

That website had instructions for downgrading 2.0/2.5 firmwares.

You know, since you're so awesome at persuading people how wonderful the PSP is, maybe you should go around the globe and convince people to actually <B>buy</B> one.

Dispite our bias ways, I've always thought you were awesome too. But with all due respect. :p lol

Im for the DS 90% and the PSP 10%. DS has way better games with great new ways to play. The psp mostly has ports from consoles with the same old way of playing. I like playing the games that psp has to offer but why would you waste at most $50 for a game that you can play on the Ps2. The DS on the other hand has many unique games (like Elite Beat Agents and nintendogs) that can only be found on the DS alone.

I love Nintendo for life

DS is still better

My PSP is boring.

No suprise as to why I do not play it.
I have no good games for it.

I would go pick up Vice City Stories, but I know that is going to be just as shitty as the last one, so I will wait for the major price drop in the next few months.

I can take it off your hands if you want. :P I've been meaning to play some of the Tales games on it. ^^

You cant compare them they are totaly different markets I mean both are handhelds but the PSP is a multimedia center and the DS is just freakin fun. Both are good you just need to think wich one suits you better a multimedia center with a weak library (can be fixed) or a DS......you know the DS so I dont have to say anything.

I own both by the way and i like them both.

You could say the same thing about the new consoles (PS3 and Wii)
But their market stands as a video game console, it doesn't really stretch farther than that.

Joan, if you ever find out where I live and stop by, I will hand it to you. =]

Gina, if you ever find out where I live and stop by, I will hand it to you and then we can have kinky sex afterwards with our DS Lites. =]
fix'd :smrt:

Wait, wait.

Have kinky sex while playing Nintendo DS Lite?








I like that....

You could say the same thing about the new consoles (PS3 and Wii)
But their market stands as a video game console, it doesn't really stretch farther than that.

Joan, if you ever find out where I live and stop by, I will hand it to you. =]

That's a bit far lol, if I give you my mailing address will you snail mail it to me? =]

I think I would make it to Joey's house first for the PSP. I do actualy do have the option of going to AZ for thanksgiving tomorrow. but NO KINKY SEX! However I think I might know a hot girl you can borrow.