Final Fantasy X or Final Fantasy X-2?

Final Fantasy X > Final Fantasy X-2. End of story.

Final Fantasy X > Final Fantasy X-2. End of story.
Actually, FFX-2 is the end of the story.

Right now, FFX is my favorite one of the bunch, although it alternates with FFIV all the time. I've still yet to finish FFX-2, so I'll have a better understanding of which one I think is better afterwards.

I agree.

Actually, FFX-2 is the end of the story.

That's one reason why I dislike that game. -_-

Whats wrong with the end?

FFX...

Don't make a thread asking for the opinions of others without posting your own. :(

Also, FFX-2 is a much better game. FFX had a horrifically broken battle system.

storyline X-2 is corny as they come, but i must admit...the whole dress sphere thing was actually kinda fun and more enjoyable to me than the battle system and sphere grid of FFX

I actually never really thought which one I liked better. It's my favorite "group" of the Final Fantasy's but I'll have to go with X-2.

I loved both of them but when it comes down to it, the Battle system in X-2 raped X's. Besides, I loved X-2's FMVs. Intro, ftw!

I prefer X-2. If you want a game that is fun to play, has a massively enjoyable and rewarding combat system, a battle system(dressphere) that really works well and elimanates the need for hordes of playable characters.

A simplistic, but well paced, cohesive story, and in general a very upbeat tone are also features of the game. FFX was a bit too dark for my liking. Also, like Prak has said, FFX had a horribly broken combat system.

FFX-2 is the better game.


storyline X-2 is corny as they come, but i must admit...the whole dress sphere thing was actually kinda fun and more enjoyable to me than the battle system and sphere grid of FFX

Remember, corny/cheesy whatever, isn't always a bad thing.

I would have to say ffx I loved its battle system the only reason I didnt like ffx-2 better than ffx was you couldnt summon anything to me thats one of fav. parts in ff games

FFX was terribly boring. I'm not much in favor of knowing exactly when my opponent is going to attack, although it did come in handy in the Monster Arena.

FFX-2

Btw I voted for both because you allowed it =\

FF X>Chuck Norris Fans>George W Bush> FF X-2

FF X-2 has a good battle system, but lacks in almost every other aspect that FF X had.

nuff said

FF X>Chuck Norris Fans>George W Bush> FF X-2

FF X-2 has a good battle system, but lacks in almost every other aspect that FF X had.

nuff said

Fail.

Hmm... I like both, and although I love the fast battle system of FFX2 and the cool FMV's of Rikku, Yuna and the dyke, I had to go with FFX. My choice derived from my current progress in the game, as well as the similarities I hold in relation to Tidus... and the personality traits I have in common with Auron. Oh, and Prak, Nice Avatar.

Thanks for the writing!

Fail.

Let me rephrase. FF X>George W Bush> FF X-2>Chuck Norris Fans>Transformer Fans

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Fail.

Just to clarify, the thread asks which is "better," not which game you like more. Whether that was her intention or not, it is impossible to say, so it must be taken as it is. Retarded "I didn't like this even though it's not really a problem" gripes don't hold any weight.

Van Finel, how about posting some actual reasons for your dislike of the game. I would love to tear them into little strips and feed them to my groupies.

In terms of gameplay, X-2 is superior to X. When it comes to the storyline though, X-2 fails because it's a forced continuation of a complete story. Brand new charactes were created, with no real explanation as to their likeness to Tidus and Yuna. The whole story was spun around these newly created characters, and everything we knew about the world of FFX -- Sin, Tidus, and Yuna -- was effectively sidelined and became filler material to make way for newly created characters.

The basic rundown becomes:
Shuyin, Lenne, Vegnagun, (rest of the new cast) -> [some filler story] -> Shuyin, Lenne, Vegnagun, some random hero from the filler story, (rest of the new cast).

Sin didn't have to exist; Yuna didn't have to exist; Tidus didn't have to exist. Essentially, all they needed was a reason for Vegnagun to be created, and a reason for some random protagonist to go about looking for spheres. Some other story could've explained that; FFX was made unimportant. If you don't even get the good ending, Tidus effectively means nothing in X-2. The whistling at the end of chatper 3 is one of the more hidden aspects of the game, and game completion doesn't require it. You revisit certain locations, only to find that they've been extended to house a sphere, thereby decreasing the original value of that location's purpose.

I see X-2 as just a quick money maker (which it is after the dreadful TSW). How else would explain Shuyin and Lenne looking like Tidus and Yuna? To arouse suspicion amongst the public to increase hype for the game. Sure you could devise some theory, but it's never explained in the game, and I'm sure Square was banking on the fact that fans would debate on theories, effectively passing the buck. Yes Shuyin had to look like Tidus in order to give Yuna the push to start her quest, but that doesn't explain why Shuyin just happens to look like Tidus. It's just too convenient.

That's one of the things I dislike about unplanned sequels: they tend to focus too much on newly created material, which can easily destroy the original story it was based on.

Good answer.

Van Finel, how about posting some actual reasons for your dislike of the game. I would love to tear them into little strips and feed them to my groupies.


Ha cute. Your really not worth writing a paragraph for so i'll just say this. Go around and look up reviews on both games. Notice that most everyone who reviewed it thought FFX was better then FF X-2.

I have looked at reviews. I have used them to disprove silly claims by people who said it was not well-received. I await a serious reply if you expect to be taken seriously.

Thats alright. As I said before, I didn't finish the game because I lost interest in it. Although that is not saying much for X-2 since I am usually easily amused by games, I do not know enough about the game to have a debate over it.

Couldn't you tell I was using humor and not being serious?

"FF X>Chuck Norris Fans>George W Bush> FF X-2"

Poor Viper couldn't

Anyway. Here's a list of reviews from respected reviewers who do this thing for a living.

Highlighted reviews are reviews that won.

Final Fantasy X Reviews

Gamespy 4 out of 5 80.0%
GameSpot 9.3 out of 10 93.0% IGN 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
Games Domain 4 out of 5 80.0%
Game Informer 9.75 out of 10 97.5%
GamePro 5 out of 5 100.0%
PSM Magazine 10 out of 10 100.0%
Electronic Gaming Monthly 9.33 out of 10 93.3%
Official Playstation Magazine 5 out of 5 100.0%
GMR Magazine 9 out of 10 90.0%

FF X-2 reviews

IGN 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
GameSpot 8.1 out of 10 81.0%
Gamespy 3 out of 5 60.0%
Games Domain 3 out of 5 60.0%
Game Informer 8.75 out of 10 87.5%
GamePro 4.5 out of 5 90.0%
Official Playstation Magazine 5 out of 5 100.0%
PSM Magazine 9 out of 10 90.0%
Electronic Gaming Monthly 9.17 out of 10 91.7%
GMR Magazine 9 out of 10 90.0%

It looks like X won the vote for all of the reviewers except for a few which were only ties.

I could tell, but Bush and Norris bashes just aren't funny.

Thats alright. As I said before, I didn't finish the game because I lost interest in it. Although that is not saying much for X-2 since I am usually easily amused by games, I do not know enough about the game to have a debate over it.

Couldn't you tell I was using humor and not being serious?

"FF X>Chuck Norris Fans>George W Bush> FF X-2"

Poor Viper couldn't

Yes, I could I just despise Chuck Norris, and i'm of the opinion that anyone who refers to him should be fed their own spleen.

I could tell, but Bush and Norris bashes just aren't funny.


Chuck Norris worshipping isn't that funny either


Yes, I could I just despise Chuck Norris, and i'm of the opinion that anyone who refers to him should be fed their own spleen.

My mistake. I thoguth you were a Chuck Norris fan. *lowers his knife*

FFX
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Chuck Norris worship is definitely one of the most annoying things to come from the interweb. However, constant bashing of it only reminds me that the worship exists in the first place, which I would much rather forget altogether.

You make a good point.

@Van Finel: Did the 'Fail' not give you a clue?
@Ekinserge: Form your own opinions, don't echo the opinions of others, like a sheep.

hehe...

my own opinion is FFX better than FFX-2...

i don't want to type more, i'm not a genius...

Wow. FFx. I didn't like FFx2. Dont know why. Couldn't get into it.

You make a good point.

@Van Finel: Did the 'Fail' not give you a clue?
@Ekinserge: Form your own opinions, don't echo the opinions of others, like a sheep.

I thought you highlighted it because you were one of those people who flips out when someone insults Chuck Norris. Nvm though

Lol @ the fact that almost everyone that you are taking reviews from is male, and for them to generally accept a feminine game such as FFX-2 wouldn't be considered "cool" to their fans.

o noes fun ff game, cant say i like it or ppl will say im ghey

I really don't care if they protagonist is male or female as long as they can make them well. Hell, Beyond Good and Evil is one of my top games. FF just doesn't make good female protagonists

And you think Terra and Celes weren't good protagonists? :rolleyes:

I've only played VII,VIII,X,FFT,some of FF X-2

Final Fantasy X is the Best
4ever...

FFX-2 Battle system, FFX everything else, Maybe sphere changes then FFX would be perfect,

FF X-2 has a superior battle mechanics system; it's more challenging (and more rewarding) than spamming the CTB window using Agility Spheres, Auto-Haste, and Quick Hit. I swear, 50 hours into FFX my characters would receive so many actions that the enemy tiles wouldn't show up -anywhere- in the window. One Delay Buster and the enemy was perma-fucked unless I was fighting the Original Creations at the Battle Arena.

However, FFX-2 is mini-game hyper-dependant, and way too open-ended. Also, the story is quite lacking, simply because...you might actually skip most of it. I know I did, I despise 'required mini-game participation,' and while FFX suffers this too, it in no way has anywhere near the madness FFX-2 presents (is this game an RPG, or a puzzler, or a shoot-em-up, or...what am I playing, exactly?). I think I had, certainly lower than 50% complete the first time through...I think it was in the 30% range? Really low, and I at first thought it was horrid.

the way we know FFX is better than X-2 is because Enix knew that FFX was so good, THERE SHOULD BE A SEQUEL!!!!

After FFX's release, Enix knew there was a market for another game in the world of Spira. So as long as there's no FFX-3, we'll be sure that
X > X-2

X > X2

ffx could have been longer, but it was a good game.

So as long as there's no FFX-3,
What the heck would they put in it lol, everything is over, tho they did find something for X-2 so i guess...

Go FFX

FFX is better

I think Suikoden II is obviously so good that even when it's a discussion about Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2, I would have to go with Suikoden II.

Seriously, I'm speaking the truth.

Go Pesmerga, find Yuber and his Eight-Fold Rune. OH MY A TRUE RUNE OF DOOM!

yeah, yeah

i know that, garamond

garamond=suikoden

I'd have to go with Final Fantasy X because I just thought it was a superior game. I find the minigames and sidequests funner, although there were MANY more in FFX-2, and I think it had a superior story line. The story line for X-2 wasn't bad, but I don't think it's as good as FFX. The battle system for X-2 was superior, however. It was a lot funner, and it elimianted the need for many party members because of the dresspheren concept.

No doubt about it, FFX is definetly better, why you say??
LOOK ABOVE

I don't like the way that X-2 has missions and my brother nearly completed it without having to train which makes it too easy to complete. Also the sphere grid allowed to to customise your character more and auron is in X-2 and he is the best character in X in my opinion also blitzball was even worse in X-2 the way they made it into the style of a manager game

tink x ya

FFX is the best FF game so far.

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Ive played both FFX and FFX-II and i like like the FFX-II better cuz Yuna is way hotter. W00T! :)

I played both but X was more original cliche'ish So X in terms of Story X-2 in terms of gameplay.

I like X better, but I'll be the first to say that I didnt think X-2's story was so bad. I loved the way how they made all the different factions, and how they despised each other. Plus the whole mystery of it all. I dunno.

In terms of gameplay, FFX is better. I kinda like the story in X-2 though.

Don't make a thread asking for the opinions of others without posting your own. :(

Also, FFX-2 is a much better game. FFX had a horrifically broken battle system.

You fleeting kidding?
FFX-2 had the broken battle system. When I can beat the game without taking any time to level up there is definately something broken.

That's been possible in every FF game since FFVII. It doesn't mean the system was necessarily broken.

X-2 was too easy.
Plus the whole vegnagun storyline was terrible.
Loved the music though.

Again, they've all been absurdly easy since FFVII.

The Vegnagun storyline was coherent and complete, so it can't rate lower than mediocre on any reasonable scale. To say it was terrible is a biased exaggeration.

I found 7 8 9 and 10 hard at parts. They actually had bosses that killed me once or twice. That never happened in 10-2.

And what was that forgetable, 'coherent' storyline?
An unsent guy who Tidus is the dream of spent 1000 years building a giant robot to destroy the world cause he was pissed Lenne got killed or whatever?
I found it terrible and slapped together.
10's story had more to it.

Hard at parts just means the difficulty is inconsistent, which in turn means poor planning. Even if it was absurdly easy, X-2's difficulty remained more or less constant, especially with it letting you know how dangerous each area was likely to be. What you regard as a fault can easily be reversed into a strength. In other words, your view on the matter is one-sided, so it holds no weight.

You seemed to miss the entire point of FFX-2, didn't you? It wasn't meant to replicate FFX by any means. It was supposed to be an entirely different type of game, focusing more on gameplay and exploration, as opposed to 10 being focused on a linear story path. If you played it expecting it to be more of the same, the error was yours.

All I did was say why I liked X more.
But Im glad I could help you get your much needed fix of being a smartass to people.

Actually, what you did was directly challenge me by specifically responding to my previous post. Don't try to play the victim.

Then let us continue.

I like it when a boss is harder than a normal enemy. FFX-2 didnt have that.

X-2 rewards you for digging beneath the surface of the game. To find its real difficulty and get the most out of the game's story, you have to explore the world and finish the side quests. It's basically the entire concept of the game. If you didn't play it with that mindset, you missed out on its attraction. I'd wager that you never went up against Trema, Angra Mainyu, or the Experiment.

I finished the game 100%. Although strangely I never did that crimson sphere section at mushroom rock.

Well, that's a nice chunk of the story you missed. I'd recommend finishing that part.

Anyway, if you thought the bosses I mentioned previously were as easy as normal enemies, something is definitely wrong with that scenario.

You seemed to miss the entire point of FFX-2, didn't you? It wasn't meant to replicate FFX by any means. It was supposed to be an entirely different type of game, focusing more on gameplay and exploration, as opposed to 10 being focused on a linear story path. If you played it expecting it to be more of the same, the error was yours.

Qft. Also, i've voiced my opinion of FFX-2 numerous times, I ain't doing it again. =/

pirates > Final Fantasy X > Final Fantasy X-2. End of story.

FFX is waaaay better than FFX-2 I hate the dress sphere system it pisses me off and you can only be 3 stupid bitches!!! DIE YUNA YOU TARD!!!

WAY TO SAY NOTHING OF VALUE AFTER PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN DEBATING THE ISSUE.

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

it's my opinion

That's no excuse. Opinions are nothing but distortions or denials of fact.

K THX BYE

X-2 by a longshot. X's battle system left too much to be wanted, whereas X-2 left the "traditional" type of Final Fantasy battle and innovated. The dress sphere sytem was complex but fun to say the least. It was worth replaying to unlock the other abilities I had missed or just skipped over. Also, the characters were more agreeable than a lot of characters in X.

Opinions are nothing but distortions or denials of fact.

An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It's an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. It's not a distorion of fact, because opinions can't be proven false or verified. I can understand where you're coming from when you say denial of fact, though.

Anyway...FFX-2 was great with replay value. I could play that game over and over. But FFX, though a little boring when replaying (since you know Spira already) it was amazing with the first play.

FFX <3

Olde, what you just gave is basically the dictionary definition of an opinion. However, upon reasonable analysis, it doesn't hold up. Think about it reasonably for a moment.

There is a fact in any situation. Using the current case as an example, you could say this is a statement of fact:

"I do not like FFX-2."

It is clearly an indisputable fact as long as it is not a lie. In either case, it is not an opinion because it is not subject to any measure of question. The following is an opinion:

"FFX-2 is a bad game."

That is a clearly biased statement based on a person's personal dislike of the game. Now it can certainly be proven whether things are good, bad, or mediocre, but only an idiot would ever seriously claim that FFX-2 was a bad game, so this statement is revealed to be a denial of fact.

There's a fact in any given situation. If you present your views in the form of fact, it cannot reasonably be questioned. However, if you present it as an opinion as demonstrated above, it is always either a distortion of fact or an outright denial of facts.

That isn't to say that an opinion can't occasionally be fact as well, but in those cases, it's usually unchallengable or at least defendable.

Now it can certainly be proven whether things are good, bad, or mediocre, but only an idiot would ever seriously claim that FFX-2 was a bad game, so this statement is revealed to be a denial of fact.

There's a fact in any given situation. If you present your views in the form of fact, it cannot reasonably be questioned. However, if you present it as an opinion as demonstrated above, it is always either a distortion of fact or an outright denial of facts.


Oh, I see your point

Olde, what you just gave is basically the dictionary definition of an opinion. However, upon reasonable analysis, it doesn't hold up. Think about it reasonably for a moment.

There is a fact in any situation. Using the current case as an example, you could say this is a statement of fact:

"I do not like FFX-2."

It is clearly an indisputable fact as long as it is not a lie. In either case, it is not an opinion because it is not subject to any measure of question. The following is an opinion:

"FFX-2 is a bad game."

That is a clearly biased statement based on a person's personal dislike of the game. Now it can certainly be proven whether things are good, bad, or mediocre, but only an idiot would ever seriously claim that FFX-2 was a bad game, so this statement is revealed to be a denial of fact.

There's a fact in any given situation. If you present your views in the form of fact, it cannot reasonably be questioned. However, if you present it as an opinion as demonstrated above, it is always either a distortion of fact or an outright denial of facts.

That isn't to say that an opinion can't occasionally be fact as well, but in those cases, it's usually unchallengable or at least defendable.


lol bananaphone

Olde, what you just gave is basically the dictionary definition of an opinion. However, upon reasonable analysis, it doesn't hold up. Think about it reasonably for a moment.

There is a fact in any situation. Using the current case as an example, you could say this is a statement of fact:

"I do not like FFX-2."

It is clearly an indisputable fact as long as it is not a lie. In either case, it is not an opinion because it is not subject to any measure of question. The following is an opinion:

"FFX-2 is a bad game."

That is a clearly biased statement based on a person's personal dislike of the game. Now it can certainly be proven whether things are good, bad, or mediocre, but only an idiot would ever seriously claim that FFX-2 was a bad game, so this statement is revealed to be a denial of fact.

There's a fact in any given situation. If you present your views in the form of fact, it cannot reasonably be questioned. However, if you present it as an opinion as demonstrated above, it is always either a distortion of fact or an outright denial of facts.

That isn't to say that an opinion can't occasionally be fact as well, but in those cases, it's usually unchallengable or at least defendable.

I only agree with you half way, X-2 was the best game, if you only like games for the gameplay. The whole game was SE pathetic attempt to keep a closed book open, they contributed nothing to the new story, or remotly close to the original story, the main story was about Vegnagun, but never was something that even resembled of Vegnagun's existence. As thoroughly as you search Bevelle temple in X you never see anything that even resembles where Vegnagun was hidden, and the layout for Bevelle temple the whole thing changed in X-2. Plus how Yuna can go looking for Tidus when she heard straight from the faeths mouth, Tidus is th dream of the faeths, and the faeths are gone now, so how is it she thinks to look for him and *spoilers* that 100% ending thing made no sense, was Tidus alive or was he doing the whole Auron unsent spirit thing? The game is one big migraine, but it's something to do for a good 60 hrs.

I only agree with you half way, X-2 was the best game, if you only like games for the gameplay.

That wasn't exactly the point of the post you quoted, but I'll humor you anyway.


The whole game was SE pathetic attempt to keep a closed book open, they contributed nothing to the new story, or remotly close to the original story

This is more or less false if you put it in the proper context. First of all, the game was conceived around a central theme. That theme was change. In order for that theme to be effectively explored, it required revisiting the world of a previous game. FFX was chosen as the source material for a couple of reasons. One was obviously that it would be less expensive to produce, considering that much of the production material from FFX could be recycled. The other was that it was the world that experienced the most significant changes over the course of the game it appeared in, so it was a natural choice from both angles.

The story was never intended to be a continuation of the previous game, so adding too much to the previous story would have been contrary to the game's concept. It was an entirely new story set in the same world, exploring the ways a world can change, often taking cues from real-world events as inspiration.




the main story was about Vegnagun, but never was something that even resembled of Vegnagun's existence. As thoroughly as you search Bevelle temple in X you never see anything that even resembles where Vegnagun was hidden, and the layout for Bevelle temple the whole thing changed in X-2.

FFX established that the Bevelle temple was rather enormous. It was obvious that the game did not allow you to explore the entire thing because you were visiting the place with a single objective in mind and had to make a rapid exit. Therefore, the continuity is solid.


Plus how Yuna can go looking for Tidus when she heard straight from the faeths mouth, Tidus is th dream of the faeths, and the faeths are gone now, so how is it she thinks to look for him and *spoilers* that 100% ending thing made no sense, was Tidus alive or was he doing the whole Auron unsent spirit thing?

The game established that as well, although it is certainly easier to understand it if you saw the Eternal Calm clip. Sadly, that wasn't included with the game.

In short, Rikku came across a sphere that showed someone who looked exactly like Tidus. When Yuna saw it, she went to look for him. It's not at all unreasonable or far-fetched, considering the type of game we're talking about.

As for the 100% ending, it was made to drive home a couple of points. One was that it really doesn't matter how Tidus exists. The characters themselves don't understand it, so there's really no reason to give players all the details.

I can certainly understand if you didn't like the game and I don't begrudge anyone that. However, the comparisons that are generally made between FFX and FFX-2 are unfair and do not properly reflect the intentions and themes of each game. That's the heart of the point I've been trying to make.

Olde, what you just gave is basically the dictionary definition of an opinion. However, upon reasonable analysis, it doesn't hold up. Think about it reasonably for a moment.

There is a fact in any situation. Using the current case as an example, you could say this is a statement of fact:

"I do not like FFX-2."

It is clearly an indisputable fact as long as it is not a lie. In either case, it is not an opinion because it is not subject to any measure of question. The following is an opinion:

"FFX-2 is a bad game."

That is a clearly biased statement based on a person's personal dislike of the game. Now it can certainly be proven whether things are good, bad, or mediocre, but only an idiot would ever seriously claim that FFX-2 was a bad game, so this statement is revealed to be a denial of fact.

There's a fact in any given situation. If you present your views in the form of fact, it cannot reasonably be questioned. However, if you present it as an opinion as demonstrated above, it is always either a distortion of fact or an outright denial of facts.

That isn't to say that an opinion can't occasionally be fact as well, but in those cases, it's usually unchallengable or at least defendable.

Not one mention of red velvet cake!

Wot si going on?

I told you yesterday...

That line is only for use in cases where people use the retarded "opinions can't be wrong" defense.

Yeah, I know.

I felt the need to mention it anyway!

X pwns X-2. ten two simply didn't have enough structure, and was a bit too 'girl power' for me.

I told you yesterday...

That line is only for use in cases where people use the retarded "opinions can't be wrong" defense.

Tell me how someone's opinion can be wrong. Its retarded to think otherwise.

Simple, people had the opinion the world was flat.

Were they right? :rolleyes:

Tell me how someone's opinion can be wrong. Its retarded to think otherwise.

If I was of the opinion that the moon is made of red velvet cake, I would certainly be wrong. There's fact behind everything and opinions often distort or defy those facts.

Happy now, Bryan?

Also, Grim, for someone who (wrongly) criticized my grammar, you certainly do make a lot of mistakes yourself. "Its" is a possessive term. The proper term would be the contraction, "it's."

Simple, people had the opinion the world was flat.

Were they right? :rolleyes:

That wasnt an opinion, that was a scientific hypothesis. *rolls eyes*

Joe blow says "I think the world is flat". THAT is his opinion, it cant be wrong, its what he believes! Later, when science prooved that world was round, he can still say "Well, I still think its flat." HIS OPINION. Try again...

Prak, if you thought the moon was made of velvet cake, thats YOUR OPINION. YOU are not wrong in your opinion. FACT proves the moon isnt made that way, but you can still think that if you choose.

Try again...both of you. Oh, and Im taking shortcuts with my grammar prak. You know, thats something smart people do.

Happy now, Bryan?

Delighted!


That wasnt an opinion, that was a scientific hypothesis. *rolls eyes*

Joe blow says "I think the world is flat". THAT is his opinion, it cant be wrong, its what he believes! Later, when science prooved that world was round, he can still say "Well, I still think its flat." HIS OPINION. Try again...

What the fuck are you trying to say here?

haha Grim's totally gone off the deep end!

Delighted!



What the fuck are you trying to say here?


lmao...if you cant understand it, there is no hope for you.

I'll put it simply.

THERE IS NO WAY A PERSONS OPINION CAN BE WRONG. IT IS WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO THINK.

If someone believed the sky was really red, THEY ARE NOT WRONG. ITS WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

Ha, no Prak. Opinions cant be wrong. We learned this shit in grade school, you musta been too busy with D&D.

In other words, Grim, you're saying that people are not wrong just because they're morons and believe something that is blatantly wrong? :laugh:

In other words, Grim, you're saying that people are not wrong just because they're morons and believe something that is blatantly wrong? :laugh:

Who are you to say its wrong? If someone believed in Allah instead of Jesus, are they wrong? If someone thought a huge 80 foot serpent lived in the ocean, are they wrong? NO. YOU are no one to judge how people think, and what they choose to believe. THEIR OPINION. NOT YOURS.

If someone believed the sky was really red, THEY ARE NOT WRONG. ITS WHAT THEY BELIEVE.


Are you done ranting and shitting up the thread now?

Who are you to say its wrong? If someone believed in Allah instead of Jesus, are they wrong? If someone thought a huge 80 foot serpent lived in the ocean, are they wrong? NO. YOU are no one to judge how people think, and what they choose to believe. THEIR OPINION. NOT YOURS.

I believe you are a fucking retard and are inferior to me in all regards. By your own logic, YOU CANNOT DISAGREE WITH ME OR COMPLAIN.

Who are you to say its wrong? If someone believed in Allah instead of Jesus, are they wrong? If someone thought a huge 80 foot serpent lived in the ocean, are they wrong? NO. YOU are no one to judge how people think, and what they choose to believe. THEIR OPINION. NOT YOURS.

Do you not realise in the slightest how irrational that point of view is? It's completely obvious as to why they could be wrong.

Lets put it another way. If someone as a child, from observing an adult taking out money out of a cash machine formed the opinion that whenever you ran out of money that there was a never ending supply of cash in those machines ready to take out at any given time, no matter what the situation.

This might be an opinion formed for understandable reasons, but nevertheless it is completely inaccurate and therefore wrong. Why? Because it's complete fact that money doesn't magically appear anywhere for anyone. They either have to be given it, earn it or discover it in some way first would you not agree? To say or think otherwise is a denial of fact, therefore is a completely wrong opinion.

Prak, we've been over this. Your not superior to anyone. Your some fatass loser, stuck on a computer screen all day with no life.

If someone believes that there is never ending money, THATS THEIR OPINION. True, fact is its wrong, but FACT AND OPINION are two very different things. You CANNOT tell someone else what to believe, or how to think. What THEY believe is right to them.

And no, Im not done "shitting" up the threads.

If someone believes that there is never ending money, THATS THEIR OPINION. True, fact is its wrong, but FACT AND OPINION are two very different things.

Exactly. Therefore if an opinion is not based upon fact then it is wrong therefore your statement "There is no way a persons opinion can be wrong" is inaccurate.


You CANNOT tell someone else what to believe, or how to think. What THEY believe is right to them.

True enough in some cases, but that doesn't alter the fact that peoples opinions can still be wrong regardless.

Giga, you can't talk sense to a troll who's just on here to argue and annoy people. Nice try, but reason and common sense won't work here.

GRIM, YOU CAN'T SAY I'M NOT SUPERIOR TO YOU BECAUSE THAT'S MY OPINION AND YOU SAID YOURSELF THAT IT CAN'T BE WRONG. :laugh:

Giga, you can't talk sense to a troll who's just on here to argue and annoy people. Nice try, but reason and common sense won't work here.

Hmm good point, but i just can never believe it when someone comes out and says stuff like that. Still I guess I should be used to it on here by now :laugh:




GRIM, YOU CAN'T SAY I'M NOT SUPERIOR TO YOU BECAUSE THAT'S MY OPINION AND YOU SAID YOURSELF THAT IT CAN'T BE WRONG. :laugh:

Bah, now I should have thought of that one, good answer lol

Oh, and Im taking shortcuts with my grammar prak. You know, thats something smart people do.

That is utter crap. Fail.

Correction...


Oh, and Im taking shortcuts with my grammar prak. You know, thats something that lazy people like myself do.

Fix'd :smrt:

That is utter crap. Fail.

Correction...

Damn, do all of you on here hold PHD's or sumthin? Im takin shortcuts. And unless you put an apostraphe next to EVERY SINGLE WORD that needs one, you cant ridicule someone for it.

I put apostrophes next to the neccessary words and I haven't even graduted from high school.

A: "In my opinion, 2 + 2 = 5."
B: "That's not an opinion."
A: "2 + 2 = 4? That sucks."
B: "That's an opinion. FACT: In your opinion, 2 plus 2 equalling 4 sucks."

Damn, do all of you on here hold PHD's or sumthin? Im takin shortcuts. And unless you put an apostraphe next to EVERY SINGLE WORD that needs one, you cant ridicule someone for it.

You've placed one apostrophe in your first question. Why bother putting that in as you've said you are going to make shortcuts?

I can ridicule that to a small extent in my opinion.

FFX-2 was a horrible continuation with barely even a plot to go on. The only thing that seemed enjoyable enough was the class changing system thanks to the variety of choices and abilities you can learn. All in all though, FFX was better in almost every way.

I put apostrophes next to the neccessary words and I haven't even graduted from high school.

Bullshit, until I look at everysingle one of your IM's, and read everything you typed, I dont buy that shit for one second. I bet I can find posts on this board where you didnt put an apostraphe on words.

BTW, if someone's OPINION is 2+2=4, thats what they believe, its not wrong. FACT says its wrong, but what they beielive isnt. Thank you.

God people, dont even know the difference between fact and opinion...

We do realise the difference between those pretending to be intellectuals and those that are. LOL @ apostraphe too HAHA

A: "In my opinion, 2 + 2 = 5."
B: "That's not an opinion."
A: "2 + 2 = 4? That sucks."
B: "That's an opinion. FACT: In your opinion, 2 plus 2 equalling 4 sucks."

That's a rather vague example of an opinion, that and the whole, "It is my opinion the moon is made of velvet cake" arguement. That wouldn't be an opinion, more of a hypothesis, but not really because that is just refusing to be tolerant to facts. An opinion would be FF8 is the best FF (that I've played), and LoD beats all FFs (that I've played), an opinion is a believe that cannot be proven false at all, or can be deterred by reasoning. Why you try to prove a point to someone who solely refuses to listen to others, but rather reevaluates himself/herself is beyond me.

Bullshit, until I look at everysingle one of your IM's, and read everything you typed, I dont buy that shit for one second. I bet I can find posts on this board where you didnt put an apostraphe on words.

When I post on Forums for others to see I speak in proper english. If I'm talking a friend on IM and I say, "im gonna get a piece of pizza" it's different. I'm not pissing people off, or acting like a complete jackass for the hell of it. On these Forums you'll find that I, and most of the other respectable posters, tend to put apostrophes and other marks where they belong. And yes, you can certainly find a place where I neglected to put an apostrophe or the like somewhere, but it would have been either by mistake or when I was a n00b and getting aquainted with these Forums. I'm not perfect, but before you go defending your posting habits, think about whether they're worth defending.

God people, I don't even know the difference between fact and opinion...

Errors corrected.

BTW, if someone's OPINION is 2+2=4, thats what they believe, its not wrong. FACT says its wrong, but what they beielive isnt. Thank you.
Ridiculous. What they believe isn't wrong, despite fact proving their belief to be wrong?

The fact of 2 plus 2 equalling 4 eliminates any belief in a different result. One who believes in a different result is simply stubborn or ignorant and their belief would be incorrect.

Opinions cannot be wrong. I'm talking about real opinions here where they cannot be questioned because of their very (subjective) nature. Beliefs remain undecidable until proof surfaces to validate those beliefs. If beliefs are proven or disproven, the result becomes fact and any belief to the contrary is eliminated (or is simply incorrect). Fact and belief may be different things, but that doesn't allow belief to oppose fact when the facts exist.

If someone claims "FFX is the best game," it's not actually an opinion because the word "best" implies objective measurability. If "best" must be used, it would be more appropriate for that person to say "FFX is the best game for me," as that would limit the context to just that person's like and dislike. Words that evaluate the quality of a game are thrown around loosely though, so objective terms are used in a subjective context leading to potential conflict when it comes to the more pedantically inclined.

How about we quit this pathetic blather about Grim's opinions are downright wrong, and just settle on the fact that X-2 is the winner here.

I really didn't like either of them.

To be quite honest.

So Suikoden II wins.

Ridiculous. What they believe isn't wrong, despite fact proving their belief to be wrong?

The fact of 2 plus 2 equalling 4 eliminates any belief in a different result. One who believes in a different result is simply stubborn or ignorant and their belief would be incorrect.

Opinions cannot be wrong. I'm talking about real opinions here where they cannot be questioned because of their very (subjective) nature. Beliefs remain undecidable until proof surfaces to validate those beliefs. If beliefs are proven or disproven, the result becomes fact and any belief to the contrary is eliminated (or is simply incorrect). Fact and belief may be different things, but that doesn't allow belief to oppose fact when the facts exist.

If someone claims "FFX is the best game," it's not actually an opinion because the word "best" implies objective measurability. If "best" must be used, it would be more appropriate for that person to say "FFX is the best game for me," as that would limit the context to just that person's like and dislike. Words that evaluate the quality of a game are thrown around loosely though, so objective terms are used in a subjective context leading to potential conflict when it comes to the more pedantically inclined.


Good god, I dont think even Prak could understand that.

Moving all your mumbo jumbo aside for a moment, the point still stands. Opinions cannot be wrong. FACT can prove something wrong, but a person's opinion is just that. An opinion. What they think. Its not wrong to them. Point blank period.

I understood it perfectly well, actually. Nice job deciding it doesn't count because it went over your head though!

I understood it perfectly well, actually. Nice job deciding it doesn't count because it went over your head though!

No, maybe he needs to put the thesaurus down for a minute. And maybe you need to too. Nobody talks like that, he did that intentionally.

Actually, I dont doubt that you know what he said. All you do is stare at a screen for hours a day.

**goes back to first page to see what this thread is supposed to be about**

**goes back to first page to see what this thread is supposed to be about**

Well, if everyone else would just shut the fuck up, we could get on with it.

FFX is waaaay better than FFX-2 I hate the dress sphere system it pisses me off and you can only be 3 stupid bitches!!! DIE YUNA YOU TARD!!!

Everytime you say something bad about Yuna an angel loses its wings.
T_T

No, maybe he needs to put the thesaurus down for a minute. And maybe you need to too. Nobody talks like that, he did that intentionally.

Actually, I dont doubt that you know what he said. All you do is stare at a screen for hours a day.
Oh you're just a little toy aren't you? I suggest you read some written material filled with pseudo-jargon before you pass judgement on plain English.

Yuna is retarded! x 100,000,000.

Yuna is retarded! x 100,000,000.

The terrorists win.

Yuna is retarded! x 100,000,000.


The terrorists win.

She did fall for Tidus. That's at least a negative million on the SMARTZ SKALE.

TiDuS Wasz kewls he could playz underwater rugby, and had da kick aszsz water sword.

TiDuS Wasz kewls he could playz underwater rugby, and had da kick aszsz water sword.

butt clods ZOMG SORD was waaaay koola an bigga butt SEFIRTOH wuz da bestest evar!!1!1!oneoneeleventyone!1!

Oh you're just a little toy aren't you? I suggest you read some written material filled with pseudo-jargon before you pass judgement on plain English.

A toy? No.

I sugggest you step away from the screen for awhile and actually go socialize with people.

Before you try to sound smart.

Book smarts will only get you so far.

FFX anyday FFX-2 annoyied me.

FFX anyday FFX-2 annoyed me.
Funny you say that, X's sphere grid pissed me off, and X-2's story pissed me off.

eleventyone I swear I almost threw up my breakfast laughing that hard.

I lol at LR and CyanCyade.

A toy? No.

I sugggest you step away from the screen for awhile and actually go socialize with people.

Before you try to sound smart.

Book smarts will only get you so far.

So...still not being able to come up with facts to back up your opinion?

Final Fantasy X by far. I do not see any reason why X-2 could even be considered better then X, other then the combat system.

So...still not being able to come up with facts to back up your opinion?

I have. I got into two arguments on this thread that I know of.

1. The one kid saying that he puts an apostraphe after everything he rights. He was outright wrong, and admitted to it.

2.The fact versus opinion debate. It is FACT that opinions cannot be wrong, nor can they be confused with facts.

Praks Red Velvet Cake moon springs to mind! U LOSE LOLZ

I know "apostrophe", but what the fuck is an "apostraphe"? lmao.

A toy? No.
A toy that denies its own existence. Well I can't argue with that.


I sugggest you step away from the screen for awhile and actually go socialize with people.
I better hire security; I have a peeping tom on my case.


Book smarts will only get you so far.
Haha, and it's all too clear that you haven't even crossed the start line!

2.The fact versus opinion debate. It is FACT that opinions cannot be wrong, nor can they be confused with facts.

It is also fact that although opinions may be true in the creator's mind, its counterpart as a statement can be false. The statement is true in your mind; but to us, the ones who provide details, reasons, and facts to support our point of view, it's just childish and unsupported jibberish.

A toy that denies its own existence. Well I can't argue with that.


I better hire security; I have a peeping tom on my case.


Haha, and it's all too clear that you haven't even crossed the start line!

A toy that denies its own existence? Ummm...no. I know my purpose in life, and I dont know where the hell you dragged that up from.

A peeping tom? I suggested you step away from the screen to go socialize with people to see how REAL people interact with each other. That has nothing to do with stalking. I dont know where you got that from.

It also seems you havent crossed the line for common sence.

I garuntee if it came down to survival, I would be alive, and your ass would be dead.


And to the other guy, you dont have to always put a fact behind every opinion you make. You only do that in a debate. We're not debating.

Black Paladin, I already won Prak's little "moon" comparison. Go back and read what I typed, I hate repeating myself.

You lose again, ass.


Oh, and look Heck-Hebel laughs his ass off cuz someone got ONE letter wrong in a word. OH EMM GEE!!!! HAR HAR HAR!

I swear I almost threw up my breakfast laughing that hard.

I would almost like to see that...XD


Final Fantasy X by far. I do not see any reason why X-2 could even be considered better then X, other then the combat system.

FFX's gameplay is fatally broken by the Celestial weapons. Everything about the combat system, from levelling to Dresspheres to actual combat, is so much better in FFX-2, that pretty much everything else about the game would have to be laughably inferior in order to give FFX a chance.

I know most folks don't seem to be too hyped about playing as three girls in a more lighthearted story, but lighthearted doesn't equal bad. I still fail to see what is wrong with playing as a trio of girls. As for Spira, Sin is gone. For good. It would be natural for things to be, well, happier. I know Prak's brought this up, but look at America after WWII. If you just don't like having a guy on your team, that's not a flaw in the game; that's a personal prejudice. If you don't like lighthearted games with lots of humor, that's not a flaw in FFX-2; that's another personal prejudice.

FFX-2 wasn't needed as a sequal, most likely just intended as a 'money maker.' The systems were okay in a way, but some things that were new were pretty much stupid. Example? How about running to an edge and pressing square? Where as in FFX, all you have to do is run up to a chest and open it, rather than jumping... Ooo, so exciting, I just added a jumping action to get on with the freakin' story. The abilities that came from the different classes were fun, but most of them seemed, oh I don't know, degradingly made to show off some skin. Basically a 'dress barbie up' thing, and it's annoying to think of it in that way. FFX did NOT need a sequal, besides... I liked the fact that Tidus permanantly disappeared from existence. One less crybaby erased from FF game history. But this is a personal opinion, so ignore what I just said.

I would almost like to see that...XD



FFX's gameplay is fatally broken by the Celestial weapons. Everything about the combat system, from levelling to Dresspheres to actual combat, is so much better in FFX-2, that pretty much everything else about the game would have to be laughably inferior in order to give FFX a chance.

I know most folks don't seem to be too hyped about playing as three girls in a more lighthearted story, but lighthearted doesn't equal bad. I still fail to see what is wrong with playing as a trio of girls. As for Spira, Sin is gone. For good. It would be natural for things to be, well, happier. I know Prak's brought this up, but look at America after WWII. If you just don't like having a guy on your team, that's not a flaw in the game; that's a personal prejudice. If you don't like lighthearted games with lots of humor, that's not a flaw in FFX-2; that's another personal prejudice.
Now I'm no perfect gme analyzer but there were certain things that X-2 had that completely looked away from the FF history.
1) Only 3 chars. I know, I know, "You can only fight with 3 people, so more than that is unecessary", not really I'm enclined to games with multiple characters that add a little more to the story, as more people join. I have to be honest staring at the same dumb broads for 80+ hours gets a little agitating, not to mention they say the same thing all the time after you win, I honestly had to play the game in mute just to hear Rikku shut the fuck up.
2) The story had no reason to exist X wrapped up really nicely, got a little teary tbh. The S-E comes in necro rapes a good story and mutates it into a throbbing, purposeless, bitch-fest. Ok the light heartedness not something I expected from it but it was still good, it was fun revisiting those cities and remembering FFX, but when I learned of Vegnagun I was like "Now how far up did S-E have to dig up their ass to find that doosie?". I remeber being in Bevelle temple, I remember going into the cloister of trials, but I don't rember the ffx-2's layout, or huge mechanical beasts that can kill Sin.
3) The fighting of your summons completely threw me off, so basically S-E swapped dresspheres, for companions to aid you in battle which has been in almost every FF. Those were just my peeves.

Oh, and look Heck-Hebel laughs his ass off cuz someone got ONE letter wrong in a word. OH EMM GEE!!!! HAR HAR HAR!

Anytime, Grimeboy. You have commited the same mistake before, so hence get it right.

Also, I would love to add, that the word "Cuz" is for mobile phone texts, you might as well type "because", you little bollocks.

A toy that denies its own existence? Ummm...no. I know my purpose in life, and I dont know where the hell you dragged that up from.
*whoosh!* I dragged that out of my chest of toys which also contains the latest model of Buzz Lightyear.


A peeping tom? I suggested you step away from the screen to go socialize with people to see how REAL people interact with each other. That has nothing to do with stalking. I dont know where you got that from.
*whoosh!* I got that from my secret security cameras.


It also seems you havent crossed the line for common sence.
Ouch. That really hurt.


I garuntee if it came down to survival, I would be alive, and your ass would be dead.
Ug..oh...I...ca..ach....ahhhhhh! *dies*

So a toy it is! You're fun and funny.


And to the other guy, you dont have to always put a fact behind every opinion you make. You only do that in a debate. We're not debating.
If you were having a real debate, your opinions better stay out of it.

Now I'm no perfect gme analyzer but there were certain things that X-2 had that completely looked away from the FF history.

And that's wrong why? If you want a throwback game, play FFIX.


1) Only 3 chars. I know, I know, "You can only fight with 3 people, so more than that is unecessary", not really I'm enclined to games with multiple characters that add a little more to the story, as more people join. I have to be honest staring at the same dumb broads for 80+ hours gets a little agitating, not to mention they say the same thing all the time after you win, I honestly had to play the game in mute just to hear Rikku shut the fuck up.

I personally prefer four character parties, but there wasn't anything wrong with just three in X-2. There were enough abilities and dresspheres that your characters *had* to be different in order to succeed--I found that to be quite good. As for the story, I fail to see how tossing in other characters (who would just be wasted, really) would improve the story. The Gullwings weren't bad characters; your gripe sounds like some weird teenaged sexism.


2) The story had no reason to exist X wrapped up really nicely, got a little teary tbh. The S-E comes in necro rapes a good story and mutates it into a throbbing, purposeless, bitch-fest. Ok the light heartedness not something I expected from it but it was still good, it was fun revisiting those cities and remembering FFX, but when I learned of Vegnagun I was like "Now how far up did S-E have to dig up their ass to find that doosie?". I remeber being in Bevelle temple, I remember going into the cloister of trials, but I don't rember the ffx-2's layout, or huge mechanical beasts that can kill Sin.

You completely fail. X didn't go into how Spira coped with all the events of X--Sin's destruction, all the crap with Yevon, and quite a bit of destruction weren't even touched by X. Of course, there's more ignorant sexism, followed by some egotistical crap. How do you know you saw everything in Bevelle, which is supposed to be bloody huge? What, because you didn't see it, it must not exist? Crap.


3) The fighting of your summons completely threw me off, so basically S-E swapped dresspheres, for companions to aid you in battle which has been in almost every FF. Those were just my peeves.

Every FF since VI would be the correct statement. Which is only about half the series. Way to convienently ignore FFI-V. As for your peeves, like I've already said, your gripes are personal prejudices, not real problems with the game. You've apparently got it in your head that because it says "Final Fantasy" in the title, it has to have certain things to make you happy. When FFX-2 was different in some ways, you apparently couldn't handle that and proceed to make "throbbing, purposeless bitch-fest" rants about it.

The events after Sin have nothing to with the main story of X-2; they're conveniently presented as filler material for an unrelated story. Shuyin and Lenne really have nothing to do with Sin, Tidus, Yuna, or how Spira was coping with change, but they're artificially added to Spira changing Spira's history and landscape (adding new locations and extending old ones just to fit the new story). It's a separate story using an existing world, which is where my dislike comes into play. If you take away Yuna and Rikku, and replace them with other characters, there wouldn't really be much of a difference besides the lack of occasional references to X.

Heck Hebel...its a letter. A FUCKING LETTER. Stop trying to sound smart by finding fault in ONE FUCKING LETTER. Dont make me go through all your posts and point out every word you mispelled.

Jewels, this isnt a debate. So my opinions can go wherever the fuck I want them to. You have no say so in what I post.

Why do you persist on drawing attention to yourself, I try to shift the thread back on course and you continue swinging like a mad-man. If you want to disscuss opinion and fact, make a thread about it there's like 3 pages of this random crap.

Don't spoil our fun, LR. We love seeing retards go nuts over silly things like this.

Don't spoil our fun, LR. We love seeing retards go nuts over silly things like this.


Keep feeding the fire, your gunna keep getting burned.

Who's getting burned? You're the one everyone regards as a worthless cunt.

el oh el

yummy drama

The events after Sin have nothing to with the main story of X-2; they're conveniently presented as filler material for an unrelated story. Shuyin and Lenne really have nothing to do with Sin, Tidus, Yuna, or how Spira was coping with change, but they're artificially added to Spira changing Spira's history and landscape (adding new locations and extending old ones just to fit the new story). It's a separate story using an existing world, which is where my dislike comes into play. If you take away Yuna and Rikku, and replace them with other characters, there wouldn't really be much of a difference besides the lack of occasional references to X.

Look, more confusion of personal prejudice and quality. Heaven forbid Squeenix returns to a popular setting to tell a story.

Heck Hebel...its a letter. A FUCKING LETTER. Stop trying to sound smart by finding fault in ONE FUCKING LETTER. Dont make me go through all your posts and point out every word you mispelled.

Jewels, this isnt a debate. So my opinions can go wherever the fuck I want them to. You have no say so in what I post.

Oh, the sweet irony of reactive anger coming from his grimeness dwelling from the muddy trenches of the unknown. If you want to check all my posts for any typos, then be my guest. Good luck, my dear old fellow. :rolleyes:

Oh, look. He missed a hyphen in my name, talking of a writer who is too lazy with grammar.


Heck-Hebel...it's a letter. A FUCKING LETTER. Stop trying to sound smart by finding a fault in ONE FUCKING LETTER. Don't make me go through all your posts and point out every word you've mispelled.

Jewels, this isn't a debate. So my opinions can go wherever the fuck I want them to go. You have no say so what I post.

Your english results:

Missing punctuation: 5
Spelling mistakes: 0
Missing letters: 1
Missing spaces: 1

You fail. Use grammar, you lazy cunt.

Ladida! LOVE, PEACE, EVERYONE!!!

Jewels, this isnt a debate. So my opinions can go wherever the fuck I want them to. You have no say so in what I post.
Ouchies. Here I was thinking I was your dictator, but then what fun would that be?


Look, more confusion of personal prejudice and quality. Heaven forbid Squeenix returns to a popular setting to tell a story.
Excuse me? I said I disliked it; that's my problem with the game; there is no confusion of my alleged prejudice and the story's quality.

Keep feeding the fire, your gunna keep getting burned.

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You guys really want me to stop? The just SHUT THE FUCK UP. Dont post nothing else after this...and I wont respond. Thats all you have to do. Dig deep down, and just shut...the fuck...up.

BTW Prak, I could give a shit less what people think of me on the fucking internet. Unlike you, I have a life outside of the computer, where people's opinions actually matter.

And I guess you all think your some kind of hot shots for pointing out every single little grammar mistake I make. Its the internet, not english class. Get used to it. I dont have to capatalize, or punctuate, or spell correctly if I dont want to. As long as I get my message across thats all that matters.

Now, if you dont want me to post in this thread ANYMORE,

DONT
POST
ANYTHING.

Excuse me? I said I disliked it; that's my problem with the game; there is no confusion of my alleged prejudice and the story's quality.

Except for the small matter that the title of this thread is "Which is better?"

You guys really want me to stop?
No, but that's besides the point. You're choosing to respond, so it's up to you.


Except for the small matter that the title of this thread is "Which is better?"
So? Since when were opinions forbidden? I'm not required to measure the two games against each other in order to give an opinion about a certain aspect of one of them. I pointed out this aspect, and voiced my disapproval. Unless I actually mentioned anything about the objective quality of the story, you have no grounds to say I confused it with my opinion (which isn't influenced by prejudice). Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions without supporting evidence.

BTW Prak, I could give a shit less what people think of me on the fucking internet. Unlike you, I have a life outside of the computer, where people's opinions actually matter.

Shenanigans you have a life, because by your same logic, you wouldn't bother with us at all in the first place. Where did you get such an incredibly retarded argument?

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And I guess you all think your some kind of hot shots for pointing out every single little grammar mistake I make. Its the internet, not english class. Get used to it. I dont have to capatalize, or punctuate, or spell correctly if I dont want to. As long as I get my message across thats all that matters.

Then you better get used to using caveman grunts, since those can get the message across as well. Just where DID you get off thinking that it's perfectly okay to type like an autistic retard? :rolleyes:

Back on track with the topic. I'd say that FFX-2 seems to have a more fun gameplay system than FFX to me.

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Jezus Christ, this guys Photobucket is full a crap. This was actually the funniest thing in it.

Shenanigans you have a life, because by your same logic, you wouldn't bother with us at all in the first place. Where did you get such an incredibly retarded argument?

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Then you better get used to using caveman grunts, since those can get the message across as well. Just where DID you get off thinking that it's perfectly okay to type like an autistic retard? :rolleyes:

Back on track with the topic. I'd say that FFX-2 seems to have a more fun gameplay system than FFX to me.


Its your. Its not that hard to understand. Its the internet, if you havent seen it thrown around on IM's or other message boards, then you havent spent alot of time here.

I have a little free time every now and then. It doesnt take me but 5 minutes to respond to all you guy's bullshit. Where as Prak and Jewels have to scurry to find their thesarus (I dont give a shit if I spelled it wrong).

This can go on as long as you all want it too.

JFTR, I'm all for dragging this out as long as possible because your idiocy is fucking hilarious and definitely makes the work hours seem a bit shorter.

I pointed out this aspect, and voiced my disapproval. Unless I actually mentioned anything about the objective quality of the story, you have no grounds to say I confused it with my opinion (which isn't influenced by prejudice).

Then that was nothing more than off-topic spam. WTG!

Its your. Its not that hard to understand. Its the internet, if you havent seen it thrown around on IM's or other message boards, then you havent spent alot of time here.

IMs and chats are excuseable since it's a real time medium of communication. However, you have all the time in the world to type your posts properly in a forum's message board, since it's not exactly a real-time medium of holding a conversation. Which means that there's no excuse NOT to fix up your typos nor does it pardon you skimping on content worth reading.

How hard can it be to fix up your posts into something with some semblance of presentability? It would take, like what...1 minute of your time? It's not that hard.

this isnt a debate. So my opinions can go wherever the fuck I want them to.

Did you not read any of the thread before making your first post in here? Thats exactly what this discussion is.


You guys really want me to stop? The just SHUT THE FUCK UP. Dont post nothing else after this...and I wont respond. Thats all you have to do. Dig deep down, and just shut...the fuck...up.

BTW Prak, I could give a shit less what people think of me on the fucking internet. Unlike you, I have a life outside of the computer, where people's opinions actually matter.

And I guess you all think your some kind of hot shots for pointing out every single little grammar mistake I make. Its the internet, not english class. Get used to it. I dont have to capatalize, or punctuate, or spell correctly if I dont want to. As long as I get my message across thats all that matters.

Now, if you dont want me to post in this thread ANYMORE,

DONT
POST
ANYTHING.

You know you really didn't do yourself any favours by asking how an opinion can be wrong and saying that it's retarded to think otherwise, when the point of this thread is for people to debate which of the two games are the better based upon their factual knowledge on the subject. Due to your misinterpretation of the thread your comment didn't add anything informative to the discussion, which is frankly why people have been responding to you as they have been. In this type of thread, it's necessary for people to point out inaccurate statements made by others at times in order to move the discussion forward. Refusing to admit incorrect statements and holding narrow minded views means that a person is incapable of holding a reasonable discussion which is the impression that your posts have been giving.

If this really is the type of thing you feel you can't handle then my advice to you would be to find another Final Fantasy website forum to post on that suits you better. If you are convinced that we are a sad lot with no lives then fine, none of us actually care in the slightest. If you feel that way by all means stop posting, nobody's making you :rolleyes:

Anyway back on topic.

Annoyingly i still haven't had the chance to finish FFX-2 just yet. However I certainly think that from what i've played so far that it appears to be at least as well put together as FFX in it's own right. As for which is the better game though, too early for me to get an accurate idea of that just yet.

I have a little free time every now and then. It doesnt take me but 5 minutes to respond to all you guy's bullshit. Where as Prak and Jewels have to scurry to find their thesarus (I dont give a shit if I spelled it wrong).

This can go on as long as you all want it too.
Yes I spend hours playing with my toys. I'm glad I can have more play time with you.


Then that was nothing more than off-topic spam. WTG!
Strictly speaking it didn't follow logically from the topic title, but as you know, other issues come up as a topic grows. Regardless, you haven't nitpicked every other off-topic post -- related opinions or otherwise -- in this thread, so by focusing on mine, you're simply showing a dislike of my opinion. It happens, but you don't need to be sore about it.

lol ok really off topic anyway I choose FFX anyday ffx-2 was cool but a still like FFX more

FFX of course. Much better story.I also liked more the battle system because when it comes to battles on FFX-2 u can win just by pressing the X button. Disappointing

Tidus dies in FFX-2 so FFX is better

No he doesnt.

Tidus dies in FFX-2 so FFX is better

You stupid fucking retard. Your credibility died right there, on that spot. GTFO.

Tidus dies in FFX-2 so FFX is better

He actually lives if you have the perfect endding.

i would have to gowith FFX it was way better then FFX-2

A simple statement isn't going to cut it, that arguement has been smashed to pieces on the previous 6 pages.

Final Fantasy X is way better then Final Fantasy X-2. It just the best game ever! I love it the best out of all of them Tidus is my favorite and i love Yuna too!

from the storyline i still like ff x better than ff x-2, but from the battle system i think i like ff x-2......but i like both of it...........

Try not to necropost. thanks