Who do you think is the better band between Megadeth and Metallica. Personally i think Megadeth not just cause of my addiction to them but also because Dav Mustaine (Lead Vocalist/Rythm Guitar) Wrote most of the Master of Puppets albmum when infact he was a member of metallica, before they got their record deal. Without Dave they wouldve been nothing.

peanuts

they're both pretty bad tbh

Ummmmmm mexican?

I think if you're going to pick Megadeth, I think you have to give proper credit to Marty Friedman, because Dave Mustaine not only is a sub-par vocalist (albeit, it works for Megadeth), but, James Hetfield is a far better rhythm guitar player. As far as the better band, as far as better songs, I'd say Metallica, however, if you want to go with complexities, I'd say Rust In Peace by Megadeth has just about everything Metallica's ever done by the balls (other than Master of Puppets, or AJFA)

Also, Dave Mustaine had nothing to do with the Master of Puppets album, as a matter of fact, he was already established 2 records in with Megadeth (Killing Is my Business... And Business is Good, Peace Sells... But Whos Buying?). Also, Megadeth was established in 1984, while MOP was released at the end of 1985. Please check your damn facts before spouting off crap about Dave Mustaine's prowess...

You want proof??? ok heres an extract form them page on dave mustaine on wikipedia there is no lies.

"Dave Scott Mustaine (born September 13, 1961) in La Mesa, California, in the United States, is a heavy metal guitarist, songwriter, and singer. He grew up in various Southern California suburbs. As the central figure of Megadeth and a former Metallica co-songwriter, he is one of a handful of people considered to have pioneered thrash metal and speed metal."

See metallica co writer. Most of the Master album was written before the band even hit off big cause slayer had em by the balls. Read this also from wikipedia "During his short time in Metallica, Dave Mustaine toured with the band, co-wrote several songs which were later featured on the albums Kill 'Em All and Ride The Lightning (as well as, according to Mustaine, "Leper Messiah" on Master of Puppets). He also recorded several songs with the band including the No Life 'Till Leather demo tape. A few of the songs he had wrote with Hetfield and Ulrich later went on to be re-recorded by Megadeth. The Metallica versions of these songs excluded his solos, which were replaced with solos by Kirk Hammett. The most well-known of these is the song "The Four Horsemen" from Kill 'em All which Mustaine wrote and later released with original lyrics on his debut album as "Mechanix"."

dont beleive me? heres the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Mustaine

Next time please get your facts right.

Krelian, Mustaine's music was used by Metallica for years after he left the band. I think it appeared on three different albums. All against his wishes, I might add.

You do realize that's from Wikipedia, right? LOL...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Puppets

You'll notice beside the song Leper Messiah, that the credits go to Lars Ulrich and James Hetfield... Interestingly enough on WIKIPEDIA. lol... Wow, and also, no mention of Dave Mustaine anywhere in this article... How about you umm, check your sources again buddy... Two Wikipedia articles contradicting each other, hmm... what to do??? Try a different source. :)

Next time, please go to a place where the facts actually are right... lol.

Prak: Yes, he was involved with Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning. The allegation of having anything to do with Master of Puppets is merely hearsay, which I assume would be the third album you're speaking of. According to the CD booklets put out by Elektra, The only two songs he has actual credit on from Ride the Lightning was "Ride the Lightning", and "The Call of Ktulu", and he was a bit more heavily involved with Kill 'Em All, having credit with four songs, most namely The Four Horsemen, and Jump in the Fire. Either way, it's Mustaine's word against there, and since there is major bad blood, I would have to say it's merely an allegation. But as far as I can tell, and what I've read, Mustaine had nothing to do with MOP. Even the Wikipedia article Psychotron showed, says that his part in Leper Messiah is merely claimed by Mustaine, but nobody else, which is why it is included in parentheses...

Metallica isn't as cool as they used to be, and I will still never forgive them for when they told Avril Lavigne she did a good job on her rendition of Fuel.

tekno: Metallica's first four cds were great. After that, they wrote fairly mainstream, and kind of boring music... But yeah, they have definitely lost their cool factor. That I must agree on...

it wont metion about it on your link because its one side of the story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Mustaine trust me. read it.

I beg to differ with you on one point, Krel. If there's no major bad blood there and it's Mustaine's word against Elektra's, then you have to ask who has more to gain from lying. That would clearly be Elektra.

And besides, the albums list Mustaine on more than just those songs you mentioned. On Kill 'Em All alone, he's listed on The Four Horsemen, Metal Militia, and Phantom Lord.

I just edited that part of it Prak, actually... He has a hand in six songs total (albeit, only three of them are good, lol)

Psychotron: I read it already. If Metallica or Elektra has a release or something stating that Mustaine had a hand in writing Leper Messiah (worst song on the cd as according to most Metallica fans I've spoken with, so I don't know why he'd even want credit, or why Metallica would give a damn about denying it from him), then I'll stand down...

True true but what can i say he was a successful guy.

True true but what can i say he was a successful guy.

Um, ok, and...?

Megadeath all the way, the drummer uses better tecnical rythem, He can solo like a god, and the guitarist is a god, he can move his fingers over the guitar frets like a typewriter on steroids. The lead singer is also a godly guitarist....... But then again Pantera kicked all thier asses. Shame someone shot 'em.

never heard of Megadeth, but metallica rules so ill vote for them :P

People who say "I've never heard of one, so the other is better" really suck.

they're both pretty bad tbh

People who say "I've never heard of one, so the other is better" really suck.

Im with Prak on this one, but i cant wait to see what megadeths new album is like, its got to be good though, otherwise road-runner wouldnt have offered them a contract.

how the hell could somebody have never heard of Megadeth?

Megadeth all the way, although Metallica are awesome, i prefer Daves vocals, and their earlier albums just tops metallica albums.

how the hell could somebody have never heard of Megadeth?

How couldnt they? theyve been going since 1986 and have had more than 11 albums and 10 number 1's. so really if you havnt heard of em i reccomend em.

how the hell could somebody have never heard of Megadeth?
If you don't pay attention to shitty metal bands it is surprisingly easy.

point taken, Hogan... lol... :)

If you don't pay attention to shitty metal bands it is surprisingly easy.

Only cause you listen to crap, get some real music man.

Metallica gave Mustaine credit for all the stuff he came up with that they used, and in the end it's only a small handfull of songs. Don't let all of his bitching over the years fool you into thinking he had some kind of larger impact.

I like both bands, but 90s Metallica is better than 90s Megadeth imo, Hetfield is a better, or at least cooler sounding singer, and while Megadeth solos have Metallica solos beat in technicality none of them are as memorable, which counts more to me, so I give Metallica the edge. Megadeth has the edge in technical skill, but Metallica excels everywhere else.

Tough but im saying Megadeth, Metallica sold out with St. Anger

How did they sell out with St. Anger? What the hell else sounded like that that was popular in the mainstream? Nothing. If anything, they took their biggest commercial risk since 1988 with that album. I don't like the album a whole lot, but it definitely wasn't "selling out" to release it.

I disagree with you on that, Ktulu, although I can't really prove anything. I figure they did sell out since it marked a radical change in order to (according to my perceptions) appeal to a new generation that prefers a rougher and angrier style. Of course, it backfired pretty badly.

Ktulu: they transformed their music into numetal, which makes it like "selling out"... NuMetal was on the rise with bands like System of a Down, Slipknot, and Mudvayne...

Ugh, the nu-metal argument. St. Anger is not nu-metal. Downtuned guitars does not equal nu-metal. The style they used on that album is a combination of a little bit of thrash (not "true" thrash sure but the influence is obvious) and heavy doses of "stoner metal" bands such as Kyuss. It has nothing to do with Mudvayne or Slipknot and what have you. Nothing on that album sounds like those bands. It was not calculated to follow any trend, therefore it wasn't selling out to anything. It's funny, the band takes a less heavy approach in the 90s...they're sell outs. They get heavier again...they're sell outs. People just love to talk shit about them, no matter what.

Also, it didn't really backfire badly, as the album still sold well, and the following tour was a success. No matter how many people bitch about them their fan base is still enormous.

For the record, I've argued people down about them "selling out" in the 90's and I will continue to defend their music from that period forever.

Only cause you listen to crap, get some real music man.

Now now, let's not insult the taste of others. Wait until they've posted what they like.

FTR, I think they both are pretty mediocre, but Metallica did have a golden age when Cliff Burton played for them. So I have to say metallica.

NuMetal as in, there was nothing melodic about that album... I coudl listen to Godsmack, or Seether, or a garage band and get the same effect that I got from St. Anger. I'm not saying the definitely sold out, but I could see how people might think so, because to me (and most people know I've always loved Metallica), it was a desperate attempt to inter-mingle with the other 'metal' around.


For the record, I've argued people down about them "selling out" in the 90's and I will continue to defend their music from that period forever.

Ditto.

its just a shame dave effelson left, cause megadeth aint the same without him.

NuMetal as in, there was nothing melodic about that album...

I don't think that qualifies it as 'nu metal either', but whatever. As I said, I do not like the album very much at all, but it definitely wasn't made based off of the popularity of anything else.

Megadeth can kick Metallica's ass any given day.

I relaly don't think many music albums out there could kick the ass of Master of Puppets, so I have to strongly disagree with that statement, and Metallica really has not released a shitty album (until St. Anger, of course)... Megadeth, on the other hand, has been a bit inconsistent in decent releases. I honestly haven't liked much of their material since Countdown to Extinction...

I think Countdown to Extinction beat Master, so did peace sells, rust in peace, so good so far so what, the system has failed, the world needs a hero oh... cause the black album was better than master.

I think Countdown to Extinction beat Master, so did peace sells, rust in peace, so good so far so what, the system has failed, the world needs a hero oh... cause the black album was better than master.

Funniest statement of the year, LOL... Rust in Peace is probably the only one that is at least somewhat comparable... And that's only b/c of Friedman's guitar work in Hangar 18 and 5 Magics.

Actually ive heard two good remixes recently well covers, theyre:

Metallica Vs Megadeth: Master of Destruction
Metallica Vs Megadeth: Peace selling sandman.
Metallica + Megadeth: Hunger

Very good stuff, ill see if i can put them on for download.

"Hunger" has nothing to do with Metallica or Megadeth. It's long been finding it's way through the net improperly labeled as a Metallica song, along with a host of others such as "Valley of Misery" and "A Time for Hate." If it isn't on one of their albums, it isn't real. "Hunger" is actually by the band Eternal Decision.

Only cause you listen to crap, get some real music man.
I'm pretty sure most people who actually enjoy listening to music and not just listening to certain bands would disagree with you as I am quite sure I have a rather broader and deeper understanding of music than you.

megadeth get the vote cos stupider name

they both suck though

Megadeth, as they've always made decent music. St. Anger was shitty imo. The only thing Megadeth did that was really shitty was covering "Anarchy in the U.K.".

I'm pretty sure most people who actually enjoy listening to music and not just listening to certain bands would disagree with you as I am quite sure I have a rather broader and deeper understanding of music than you.

Damn, your superiority complex just ceases to amaze me sometimes.

But anyway, you have to take into consideration that the pretty much wrote each other's shit through the 80's. I like Megadeth better, but I take nothing away from Metallica, and the fact that after all these years, they still have that "fuck you" attitude.

And the arguement that Roadrunner signed Megadeth, honesty, that was a stupid move on Dave's part. Roadrunner is the epitome of what's wrong with most metal today. Seriously, Roadrunner just doesn't have a fucking clue anymore. But honestly, they're both great bands, who were the forefront of the thrash scene. But I'm just gonna end it with Sepultura is better than both of them. :D

Damn, your superiority complex just ceases to amaze me sometimes.


afaik hogan is pointing out that listening to one genre of music religiously shows less understanding of music as a whole than listening to music across all genres, which is, in fact, pretty indisputable and not owing to a superiority complex at all.

Ok, point taken. But who's to say that this guy doesn't listen to other types of music? If he doesn't, well then he is in fact a moron.

Metallica is WAY better. Except St.Anger. That sucked!

Metallica's first four cds were great. After that, they wrote fairly mainstream, and kind of boring music... But yeah, they have definitely lost their cool factor, although i still like most of their songs better than Megadeth. =/

Metallica. I generally prefer listening to there music, Megadeths music is so boring and I think there trying to be what Metallica are.

I remember a a_nirvana_fan from EoFF. Is that you?

Now i do think you can compare Megadeth's music to Metallica, but not in the ways that one of the two are the wannabe-band.

Damn, your superiority complex just ceases to amaze me sometimes. When are these other times that "my superiority complex" amazed you?

also: I think you ment that my superiorty complex "never ceases to amaze you" else you're saying that sometimes it does stop to amaze you and I don't think that is what you meant.

:smrt:


also 2: <3 tc

Yep Metallica is best ;).. they way better than megadeth.. megadeth have some good songs but more or less all the stuff from metallica rox :)

Megadeath suck bad. Metallica rule!

I think Metallica are better

http://38.99.150.159/dl/2aa73eb966bbd543e47aa8b0cff1b946/44e1248a/i3smym/Metallica%20-%20The%20other%20new%20song%20(%20ripped%20by%20Ma ster0ff%20).mp3

Bootleg of one of Metallica's new songs. They played it live in Japan a few days ago.

Very interesting direction. It's better than St. Anger at least.

Metallica all the way, While Megadeth are a good band only few of their songs have gotten my liking, Dave cannot sing well if his life depended on it and Robert Trujillo > Jason Newsted. >=). I prefer Metallica because they've got a boxload of longs I like. I even liked Load alot and a couple of songs off reload and st anger. Hetfield is just a better singer too, even if he sounds different from his high pitch screaming voice from the early days but the way he's been singing for the last 10 years or so has been amazing, you got to watch S&M, that alone owns Megadeth. The whole Megadeth idea was to surpass Metallica and kick crap in their face just because Dave got kicked out for being an uncontrollable drunk 24/7 and that Lars Ulrich is a bitch.

Better audio/video of Metallica's "other new song"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLsOiTc06ow

Better audio/video of Metallica's "other new song"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLsOiTc06ow
I love you. (not literally)

I have to say they've both made some sick shit. But I think Rust In Peace is a better album than anything single album Metallica's made, although I think Metallica has more songs that I like.

Rust in Peace is better than most metal albums period imo.

they're both pretty bad tbh

voting metallica, cos st anger is better than anything megadeth has done, obviously

voting metallica, cos st anger is better than anything megadeth has done, obviously

>:O

i wasnt kidding or anything. obviously.

obviously.

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Rust in Peace is better than most metal albums period imo.

Kill 'em all, Ride The Lightning, MASTER OF PUPPETS (obv.) ...And Justice For All, The Black album and Load/Reload are better than that. I prefer KIMBABIG and TSHF to RIP for Megadeth.

Ok

Kill 'em all, Ride The Lightning, MASTER OF PUPPETS (obv.) ...And Justice For All, The Black album and Load/Reload are better than that. I prefer KIMBABIG and TSHF to RIP for Megadeth.

SHAME!! RIP kills TSHF, Black Album, and Load/Reload. From Holy Wars to Polaris, it's an unstoppable metal onslaught.

That new Metallica song blows. It reminds me of every auto garage anthem or NASCAR song that you hear on Dale Earnhart Jr. commercials.

I think it's way better than any song on St. Anger. As if that's hard, but still.

It might not even be on the next album. The first new song they played earlier this year was way different, so I'm not sure which one is their actual next direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_kHFvt5zhk

Good performance of Orion from this year.

It might not even be on the next album. The first new song they played earlier this year was way different, so I'm not sure which one is their actual next direction.

See, with megadeth, you can tell that the new album is gonna be (at least try to be) heavy. Dave wants to make another metal album.

I don't really see metallica doing anything more metal than Re-Load. To me, it seems that they're gonna stick with a heavier kind of hard rock.

voting metallica, cos st anger is better than anything megadeth has done, obviously

i despise the air you breathe now

I don't really see metallica doing anything more metal than Re-Load. To me, it seems that they're gonna stick with a heavier kind of hard rock.

The first new song they played this year is definitely heavier than anything on the Load albums.

Either way, I doubt any of you will like it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwsbUUEOT9g

Skip ahead to 2:00, the first two minutes are fucked up because they had to switch the bass out.

Metalica is soo much better, I love thier music and when they preformed in the 2000 something video award i was like crying.

Metalica is soo much better, I love thier music and when they preformed in the 2000 something video award i was like crying.

I got a crackable neck and cracking neck habbit from headbanging to Metallica. I only like a few songs by Megadeth. Dave is fucking great and all but Megadeth really doesn't measure up to Metallica's glory to me. When fans argue over who's better like schoolkids that's when I see that there are idiots in both sides of the fans. St anger had 1 or 2 kickass songs like Reload. Load was a badass, god-worthy album but it just wasn't Metallica. If they can mix and match songs on the album from hard rock-ish to hardcore Master of Puppets metal then there's enough for more people. But getting that balance alright is difficult.

Kirk is over-looked as a guitarist because of all the attention and ratings he gets. He's a cliche soloist but his rif styles are very unique, original and kickass. He's did some brilliant solos too. One, Fade To Black, Damage Inc, Master of Puppets, Blackened. But Dave is just heavier but he's the same in a way, never tends to try other styles of music very often, it's almost always heavy.

If you want my word in fanboy speak then gladly I will speak! hohohohohohooooo.

METALLICA FKING OWNZ FKING MEGADETH, Lolz, Kirk 4evar, Dave sux ROFLcopter.

:D couldn't resist. Sorry.... *hides*

never heard of Megadeth, but metallica rules so ill vote for them :P

What rock have you been living under??....LOLz I voted for Metallica though I don't really like one over the other more...

[Kirk]'s a cliche soloist but his rif styles are very unique, original and kickass.

Hetfield writes almost all of the riffs, man. just because Kirk plays guitar doesn't mean he writes Metallica's riffs. He mainly plays the songs and makes the solos.


[Kirk]'s did some brilliant solos too. One, Fade To Black, Damage Inc, Master of Puppets, Blackened. But Dave is just heavier but he's the same in a way, never tends to try other styles of music very often, it's almost always heavy.

Metallica and Megadeth both DID try other styles of music. the Load albums for Metallica, Risk and Hidden Treasures for Megadeth.

And have you heard any of the solos from Killing..., Peace Sells, or Rust? They're much more technical than Kirk's catchy, predictable styles. And Dave's not "just heavier", his playing is faster and his riffs (ie in Poison was the Cure, Polaris).

I have no doubt in my mind that the vast majority will approve Metallica over Megadeth. But few guitarists can come close to the complexity in Megadeth's early years. Now half the metal bands cover Fade to Black or Seek & Destroy or Master of Puppets. Why? Because those songs easy and they're catchy. Expand your horizons, guys. I'd like to see any guitarist try Hangar 18. There's 12, (that's right, it's not a typo, twelve) solos in that song.

Hetfield writes almost all of the riffs, man. just because Kirk plays guitar doesn't mean he writes Metallica's riffs. He mainly plays the songs and makes the solos.

It's common for people to exagerrate this as you just have. While Hetfield *has* written way more due to the former control freak nature he had, Kirk still has a lot of song credits. All of those credits are for riffs. Kirk has credits in 40 songs, which is 40 out of 75 featured on the albums after Kill Em All, which can't be counted really as he joined just in time to come up with some new solos for the already written songs. Song credit is NOT given for writing solos, as solos are just laid over the riffs, which are the actual basis for the song. A lot of people underestimate just how much input Kirk has had into the band, the most of anyone after James and Lars. His name is on a lot of really good songs too, imo.

He composes good solos, but he's been a bit sloppy live the last few years, though he and Lars have showed a lot of improvement this year at the European gigs they did. They were playing the whole Master of Puppets album and nailing the majority of everything, so that's good to see.

He lost interest in technical solos a long time ago, hence the focus on simple pentatonic blues based shit on the Load albums (he got more interested in understatement, using just a few notes rather than throwing in every scale to every solo) and the stagnation of his skills as a tehcnical guitarist, though it seems currently he's re-gaining his interest in solos at least on the level of what he was doing around the Black Album period. The next album will be the return of slightly more technical music from Metallica than St. Anger was, supposedly, and I'm interested to hear it.



Now half the metal bands cover Fade to Black or Seek & Destroy or Master of Puppets. Why? Because those songs easy and they're catchy. .

Uh, I'd say it's because lots of bands like those songs and are inspired by them, not just because they're easy compared to some other metal bands' songs.

Also, you mention a lot how much more technical Megadeth is and all, and yes that's true, and I love them for it, but that's not all there is to song writing! How hard a riff is to play isn't a good measure for how good it is at all. Also, I feel Metallica are way better at actual catchy music, which could be argued as far more important than complexity. To me, I'll take Metallica's more "melodic" music over Megadeth's any day, and their harder/more technical material are both enjoyable for different reasons.

holy shit metal fans have no sarcasm detector. megadeth is pretty ok.

holy shit metal fans have no sarcasm detector. megadeth is pretty ok.

I knew you were being sarcastic

Remember when Avril Lavinge did a cover of Metallica's "Fuel," and people loved it?

Remember when Avril Lavinge did a cover of Metallica's "Fuel," and people loved it?

The only time the song sounded half good was in the S&M concert in 1999. It sucks enough for a hot looking, crap singing, punk wannabe girl like Avril.

I knew you were being sarcastic

i was referring more to razorbunny

I dislike Metallica their first 2 and a half ablums were good... then all of their songs sound sound exactly the same.

I prefer Megadeth.

Neither heavy metal sux.

Metallica, no doubts. Sorry to the Megadeth fans.

I dont really like either of the bands anymore.
I believe megadeth is better though.

They both make me consider shortening my life span.

Megadeth.

sorry but whats better, the best sex you ever had, or the memory of it? of course metallica are better, megadeath are good but there are plenty of bands out there better then them and metallica are indesputably the best heavy metal band of the eighties, nineties and the present.

if anyones been to see them live they'll know, and im not saying that live performances are their only strength, but my god, ive never had tingles like that from anything else.

ive never had tingles like that from anything else.I think your tingley maker is broken.

I think your tingley maker is broken.

yeah, could you not tell my missus i said that.
although on that point, the first date i ever took her on was to see matallica at earles court, before hand she was a clubby techno type, but that gig converted her, she's even after going to see marylin manson!

the first date i ever took her on was to see matallica at earles court, before hand she was a clubby techno type, but that gig converted her, she's even after going to see marylin manson!

And that is an improvement? o_o

from clubby shite to metal gods? well, yes

*INSULTING COMMENT SO AS TO FIT IN BETTER*

Why is your name Jason Voorhees, but you have an anime avatar?

Shit, I like them both, I'm going to go with Metallica though.

i was referring more to razorbunny

i knew it...but the statement alone had to be commented upon ^^

I saw this thread and I knew that it had to be the spot of my first post :P.

OK, I really like both Metallica and Megadeth, but I prefer Megadeth over Metallica. Metallica only made 4 albums I like: Master of Pupets, Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning, and The Black Album. After that time period Metallica became a bunch of sell outs. Also after these 4 albums there songs weren't too heavy metal anymore. I love all Megadeth albums except Risk. I also like to agree with what someone said earlier, that Metallica songs are generally less complex then that made by Megadeth. This applies to rifts and actual lyrics. I love the fact that in Megadeth lyrics there is some actual meaning behind it that strike at political views such as the songs Holy Wars, Peace Sells... But Whos Buying, and Blackmail the Universe. The solos are also a lot better.

Sorry for the Rant :P. I just love Metal too much.