FINAL FANTASY IX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!suck ed............

Do try and explain why please.

I just didn't like it. The animations were crappy, the characters annoyed me, and all i liked about it was the 4 char. battle system.

I just didn't like it.

This does not make the game bad.


The animations were crappy,

If you honestly believe that, you're a fucking moron. It was one of the best looking games of the PSX era.


the characters annoyed me,

Oh boo hoo. It's called characterization, personality, and fun. Perhaps you missed it by starting with the stain that was FFVII, but the series actually had that stuff back in the day.

Heh, I was going to respond with something like that, but I held back as:

Age: 13

I'm getting soft =/

I hate all FF's because:

* Not a single one was released for the Atari

* They all came on a cartridge/cd/dvd and none on a slice of toast

* None of the summons looks like George W. Bush

* All of them cost money and none of them were exchangeable for a pint of virgin blood

* There where no transsexual characters.

I hate all FF's because:

* Not a single one was released for the Atari

* They all came on a cartridge/cd/dvd and none on a slice of toast

* None of the summons looks like George W. Bush* All of them cost money and none of them were exchangeable for a pint of virgin blood

* There where no transsexual characters.

fail.

I hate all FF's because:

* Not a single one was released for the Atari

* They all came on a cartridge/cd/dvd and none on a slice of toast

* None of the summons looks like George W. Bush* All of them cost money and none of them were exchangeable for a pint of virgin blood

* There where no transsexual characters.quoted for orbituary truth.

sexpot

I think the worst is FFX-2,the characters were ALL annoying,it was like playing a power puff girl game.There were no Aeons/Summons ( which is understandable because of the story but still.....),i hated the dress sphere system alot and the story just had no interest,most people just went through the game to see the ending,ive never played through a final fantasy before and found it hard to continue because i just didnt like it,which is quite a shame,though apart from the dress sphere the battles were faster and cool and they had the leveling up system back but thats the only good things i can think about of this game...shame. OOOOOH!!!!!! AND MULTIPLE ENDINGS ON A FINAL FANTASY GAME THAT SUCKS! if you ant to see the real ending its practically impossible to get all the 100% with out a walkthrough (unless your damn lucky!,i remember i missed o.2% because i didnt talk to a moogle or somtihng,thats pretty sad. still i have hopes for FF12 to regain my trust in square-enix

I dislike you more with each post you make, n00blet.

Deja vu once again, random moron dislikes FFX-2 for retarded reasons.


Also Prak, where is your ava from, i'm sure I recognise it from somewhere...

well i reckon my reasons are pretty understandable if theres somthing that didnt make sense,ill gladly go into more detail

No, they are superfolous and entirely wrong.

I dislike you more with each post you make, n00blet.

Well, take this into consideration:

The kid has to start somewhere.....

The kid should start with knowing what he/she is talking about before saying it.

true, but by all means, what were your intensions of where he should start?

yes im DYING to know...... :)

Mostly, you need to learn that different does not equal bad, especially when you're talking about a series that changes with each incarnation. Also, your personal like/dislike of a title is not indicative of its actual quality. If you don't know the distinction, it's not worth reading anything you type.

Then might I suggest you don't read it, and those who do wish do view/read should not brothered in any form for their taste of reading...

your personal like/dislike of a title is not indicative of its actual qualitytype.
Thats fair enough.though about change ive never had a problem with changes in the FF series,i like a selection,but some stand out more than others obviously,but with FFX-2 it just had to many negatives (in my eye) to appeal to me. and ive talked about it with many people and ost of them understand or agree

I don't, seeing that most of your reasons are merely opinions and completely lacking in objective reviews. Most of those you talked to just happens to agree or are agreeing just for the sake of avoiding an argument since they know little to nothing about the game. Separating personal opinion from a sense of quality is a skill that should be learned before trying to pass off one's opinion as facts or writing a review, and personally, I think most reviews lack that kind of quality.

So there you have it, the problem with your judgement on FF X-2 is that it's merely opinion and thus hold no water.

Then might I suggest you don't read it, and those who do wish do view/read should not brothered in any form for their taste of reading...

Again, you prove that you're a moron. Fuck off.


Thats fair enough.though about change ive never had a problem with changes in the FF series,i like a selection,but some stand out more than others obviously,but with FFX-2 it just had to many negatives (in my eye) to appeal to me. and ive talked about it with many people and ost of them understand or agree

The point is, however, that even if it was not to your liking, the game was rather excellent in most regards, as I believe has been thoroughly documented earlier in this very thread. In fact, it has been rather well proven in various threads that the worst games in the series were actually some of the most popular: VII, VIII, and X.

Mind you, I liked X a lot and enjoyed VII for most of the time I spent playing it. It's just that I realize that how much I like something (or its mass appeal) is not an accurate indicator of its quality.

The point is, however, that even if it was not to your liking, the game was rather excellent in most regards, as I believe has been thoroughly documented earlier in this very thread. In fact, it has been rather well proven in various threads that the worst games in the series were actually some of the most popular: VII, VIII, and X.

Mind you, I liked X a lot and enjoyed VII for most of the time I spent playing it. It's just that I realize that how much I like something (or its mass appeal) is not an accurate indicator of its quality.

but quality doesnt really mean much if it doesnt appeal to you

Perhaps, but the thread asks which is the worst, not which one appeals to you the least.

true but in making that decision involves peoples oppinions and why they believe its the worst FF,

Prak:
If that's the best you can come with up, you've lost your touch.

true but in making that decision involves peoples oppinions and why they believe its the worst FF,

Opinions are still subject to scrutiny, and are either based in fact or in defiance of it. Facts show that FFX-2 was one of the better entries in the series.

People very often make the mistake of putting too much emphasis on personal opinions. The simple fact is that opinions can be entirely retarded. They can be completely wrong, and they can often be harmful. Take Hitler, for example, and his opinion that Jews are bad and should die. Or for a lighter example, consider how I would be regarded if I believed that the moon was made of red velvet cake and refused to change my belief on the basis that it's just my personal opinion.


Prak:
If that's the best you can come with up, you've lost your touch.

Actually, that was a simple way of brushing you off with little effort so that I could proceed with the discussion that interested me. You didn't warrant any effort.

Facts show that FFX-2 was one of the better entries in the series.


ok you've made a good point about opinions,but just out of interest Where are these's FACTS, id like to see how there facts and not opinions

Topic: The WORST FF ever!!

I believe, stating that the thread is the way it is, that the thread is based on opinions, not facts. However, the use of data is reliable but yet lame as it's not your original opinion.

ok you've made a good point about opinions,but just out of interest Where are these's FACTS, id like to see how there facts and not opinions

Try looking in this thread (Thread 28677). There's a post on the first page that goes a long way.


Topic: The WORST FF ever!!

I believe, stating that the thread is the way it is, that the thread is based on opinions, not facts. However, the use of data is reliable but yet lame as it's not your original opinion.

The topic says "worst." It makes no provision to say that it's asking for opinions. Thus it must be assumed that it is dealing in fact.

What would be the worst final fantasy that you guys have ever played. To me proberlly 1 and 2 lol.

Sounds like he is asking for an opinion, don't you think?

that thread was opinion not actual fact.

and the guy who started this thread said
"What would be the worst final fantasy that you guys have ever played. To me proberlly 1 and 2 lol."

Thats asking for people to make an opinion,out of all they've played FFX-2 is the worst in my opinion
(And just for extra info,ive played most of the main series,i only need 1,2 and 3 which i have played on roms)

FF XI.

I despise MOGs; you never actually own the game. Even if the fee is only $13US a month, you still never have unfettered access. I still play my other FFs, years after I've bought them, and still enjoy them. To do the same with FF XI...first off, that might not be possible if they ever discontinued the service, and second it would end up costing hundreds of dollars :/. Not to mention all of the 'extensions/plugins' you have to purchase to keep the game up-to-date.

FF XI may or may not have excellent graphics/gameplay/etc., but the simple fact that there is no offline version for permanent home use immediately makes it sink to the bottom as far as I would be concerned. That, and my extremely antisocial personality would probably make partying with other human beings a -bitch-.

Now, if this is simply a question of game mechanics or graphics...the second one. FF II -SUCKS-. It just does. They never made a non-XP/AP FF in the main series again for a reason ^_^.

Hm. I had forgotten that the thread was started by a moron, although the caps in the title should have been a constant reminder. However, I like to see sensible discussion in threads.

Tell me this: which would you prefer? A pointless thread where people blindly spam their own favorites or things they dislike without reading anything anyone else says? Or a thread based in fact that can spawn interesting discussion?

Is there any point in posting in a thread that's nothing but a spamfest where everyone posts their own retarded opinions? It's nothing but egotistical bullshit. My way is better.

Facts do not prove a game is "the best" in this case. Opinions hold up just as well as facts. If I said something like "FF X-2 got very boring after a while due to the annoying characters", you would throw that out saying it is not a fact and can't be used. I once had an arguement with you about characters in FF X. I said that Tidus was a terrible character because he was very unlikeable, and you countered by saying that I was wrong and that he was the best because he had a lot of depth.

So, who cares if he has depth, if he's whiny, no one will like him. I doubt the majority of gamers would like a character just because he had depth but an incredibly unlikeable personality. I use this example to back up some of Miss Murder's post. This forum is based on opinion (and i mean well written opinions, not rjkrider opinions) and facts, not either or.

well i think thats sorted now then,continue with the proper topic

Then I guess that your answer to my question about which type of thread you would prefer is clear. Since you choose the way of the retard, I shall expend no further effort on attempting to teach you the ways of proper discussion.

well why dont u start a new thread if you dont like this one? id be interested to see a fact thread

I don't usually start that type of thread because they get very few replies. People around here know that I'm generally well-armed in a debate, so they steer clear unless they're on my side.

Think about it: If you were a general in a war, would you send your troops onto a battlefield the enemy had mined, flanked with tanks, and positioned bombers over? It's pretty similar.

*pokes mine*

I think it's a dud....

Besides, why should I make a new one when I can hijack this useless one and give its existence a bit of meaning?

because ypur meanig doesnt make sense how can you say as a fact what the worst FF game is,if you can explain that go for it

Besides, why should I make a new one when I can hijack this useless one and give its existence a bit of meaning?


Goddamn your cocky.

This thread was made so that people could state their opinion with good reason. Good opinions are worth as much as good facts.

I've never played through a final fantasy before Don't trash a game if you haven't played it thoroughly, I found X-2 to be a pretty good, I was just expecting the same gripping story X had. But the story did a complete 360 from its prequel. No more Aeons, Faeths religion was crumbling, a respected summoner reduced to tricking people at Zanarkand, and another one looking for spheres of a guy that she knows doesn't exist. My biggest upset was that SE opened a closed casket no sequel was needed they completely pulled Vegnagun out of their ass, it just makes you think what else is bevelle hiding a cybernetic monkey that will eradicate humanity uh-oh spoiler for FF X-3. That is exactly what S-E did during FFX they not once mentioned Vegnagun, and you were inside bevelle, temple I think I would see a giant robot while looking for the chamber of the Faeths. And geting 100% isn't that hard just go to every country or city before you go to the hotspots.

From Gamespot.com: (Reviewers/Public, Voter Count, System)
==================================================
Final Fantasy I and II:
7.0/8.3 1,249 PS1
Final Fantasy IV:
8.5/9.1 1,444 PS1
Final Fantasy V and VI:
8.1/8.8 1,603 PS1
Final Fantasy VII:
9.5/9.6 12,613 PS1
Final Fantasy VIII:
9.5/9.2 7,975 PS1
Final Fantasy IX:
8.5/9.1 6,352 PS1
Final Fantasy X:
9.3/9.3 18,012 PS2
Final Fantasy X-2:
8.1/8.4 10,109 PS2
Final Fantasy XI:
8.2/8.4 3,094 PC

I and II seem to have gotten the lowest scores. However, this is only one website, and these were all the PS1/PS2 versions (still, the earlier games are in fact 'direct' ports, so the gameplay is virtually identical to the originals). FF III was not included since it was never released on a PS1/PS2.
Also, it seems there is a rough correlation between how high a score the game received and how many people voted for it, especially if you seperate the games based on platform. It's still just a huge collection of opinions :/.

Goddamn your cocky.

Isnt that what makes it funny?

Also how did FF8 get a rating above 5?

FF X-2 got a 8.1/8.4. Ouch, guess we know which FF isnt the best.

Well, one thing that surprised me was the Reviewer opinion of FF VI. Bombed its ass. Perhaps it had something to do with load times on the PS1 between battles and events (hence why it's important to indicate these aren't all from the original systems).

This forum is based on opinion

You are in no position to state what this forum is based on if you haven't been here for long, the same goes for you MissMurder. You're bringing down the quality of the forum with your shitty posts and fillibuster tactics, which I don't appreciate.

well there not the ones who have been here long at go around taking the piss out of people who have just joined....just because they've just joined does'nt always mean they've just started to play Final Fantasy, just remember that

You are in no position to state what this forum is based on if you haven't been here for long, the same goes for you MissMurder. You're bringing down the quality of the forum with your shitty posts and fillibuster tactics, which I don't appreciate.


And you are? Joining in june 2006. I think not.

You wont win an arguement if you keep talking about opinions you know. Also Prak, feel free to start a thread if you want.

And you are? Joining in june 2006. I think not.

Joan was here well before that. Her account was lost in the recent rollback, so she had to re-register.

Also, it's hilarious watching you guys do the interweb equivalent of chasing your own tails.

Joan was here well before that. Her account was lost in the recent rollback, so she had to re-register

Who cares just let the topic continue

People can still pop in and post their retarded spam if they like. It's not like most of the people who've posted in it actually read what anyone else has to say.

I find it interesting to see what others think of the FF series,your the one who keeps going off topic and ruining things

Since your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking, I'll spell it out in offensively simple terms.

Most people don't read the thread before posting. They just read the title and reply. They don't give a rat's ass what we talk about. Our "discussion" will not stop anyone else from posting because most people who going to post on-topic in threads like this are internet retards who don't care about what anyone else has said. You are not missing out on anything because of me posting in the thread. Retards will continue to post anyway.

well then yes i agree it is retarded if they just blankly but dont there thread with out read previous contributions.but im sure not everyone is like that....hope not anyway

You would be surprised. I've been here quite a while, and in that time, I've seen it happen more times than I can count.

well then yeah i can understand that then,but you want to change this topic into fact instead of opinion thats what i dont get. what do you to get a point,lets say graphics then see what FF game has the best graphics which is FFX-2 and say thats a fact

Do you know what the difference between fact and opinion is?

Opinions are merely personalized distortions or denials of fact. There are facts in every instance if you know how to look for them. Case in point, if you state that a particular game/movie/book/etc. has the greatest story ever, you are most likely incorrect, having not experienced every story ever told, thus it is merely an opinion. If you state that the same game/movie/book/etc. has your favorite story ever, that is a statement of fact.

but well really what people have been doing is the same thing its just a mixer or grammar,i said ffx-2 was the worst,i backed it up with evidence why it was the worst ive played

But much of your "evidence" was complete crap. Take a look.



I think the worst is FFX-2,the characters were ALL annoying,it was like playing a power puff girl game.There were no Aeons/Summons ( which is understandable because of the story but still.....),i hated the dress sphere system alot and the story just had no interest,most people just went through the game to see the ending,ive never played through a final fantasy before and found it hard to continue because i just didnt like it,which is quite a shame,though apart from the dress sphere the battles were faster and cool and they had the leveling up system back but thats the only good things i can think about of this game...shame. OOOOOH!!!!!! AND MULTIPLE ENDINGS ON A FINAL FANTASY GAME THAT SUCKS! if you ant to see the real ending its practically impossible to get all the 100% with out a walkthrough (unless your damn lucky!,i remember i missed o.2% because i didnt talk to a moogle or somtihng,thats pretty sad. still i have hopes for FF12 to regain my trust in square-enix

You say the characters are annoying, which is a statement of opinion. The characters are eccentric. Some people find this humorous and some do not. That is fact. Eccentric characters are not necessarily bad, even if they are not to your liking.

You complained about a lack of summons, which is hardly a defining characteristic of the series. The game balances the loss of a mechanic by adding extra depth to its other mechanics. The game is not worse for it, merely different.

You bitched about the multiple endings (yes, I'm skipping several of your gripes, but I'm trying to make a point, not write an essay.), but you list no reason as to why you think that was bad.

As you should be able to see, these do not hold any water at all in the context of a discussion. It was nothing but a baseless, biased, unsourced rant.

OOOOOH!!!!!! AND MULTIPLE ENDINGS ON A FINAL FANTASY GAME THAT SUCKS! if you ant to see the real ending its practically impossible to get all the 100% with out a walkthrough (unless your damn lucky!,i remember i missed o.2% because i didnt talk to a moogle or somtihng,thats pretty sad.)
hows that not a fair comment to say why the multiple ending idea is bad.
as for what i said a bout the characters yeah that was a little blank.

It isn't a fair complaint because it isn't a fault. The game merely requires you to put in more effort to get the most complete ending. There is a perfectly satisfactory ending that you can get without putting in all the legwork.

but you cant get the proper ending with out a walkthrough (unless your soo lucky) because it has little events like talking to that moogle stopped me getting the ending it does effect the game

But you can always replay the game with New Game Plus, which gives you new opportunities to view scenes you may have missed before or take alternate paths to give even more completion points. Because of that, it's relatively simple to get 100%, even if you have to play through it a couple of times to do so.

Joan was here well before that. Her account was lost in the recent rollback, so she had to re-register.

Also, it's hilarious watching you guys do the interweb equivalent of chasing your own tails.

Righht and since she doesn't know that happened to me she can't say that. Problem solved.

Also, it's hilarious how you have such a high in mighty attitude in a Final Fantasy Forum. Like I said before, why don't you go play with the big boys instead of argueing with people on a kids website.

It's not a kids' website. Most of the regulars are 20+.

i just dont see the point in having the other endings,if there not the actual ending

Ultimadream, please STFU already, because:
1) You are not going to win this argument
2) You're shitting up the thread

And Van Finel, you can STFU aswell, because as Prak says, this isnt a kids website, and oyu're shitting up the forum along with Ultimadream.

i just dont see the point in having the other endings,if there not the actual ending

Apart from the incentive of playing it again it doesn`t make the game seem like it`s set on a fixed track like other FF games. It`s different but more like a traditional RPG.

well i msorry but im not the one whos been fucking up this thread,as for an argument,its not an argument its a debate

i just dont see the point in having the other endings,if there not the actual ending

You never saw the perfect ending, did you? It's just one final scene tacked on at the end (not even an FMV) of Tidus and Yuna discussing what's happened. It's not particularly important; just a small non-essential bonus for reaching 100% that does nothing to change the other ending.

well i msorry but im not the one whos been fucking up this thread,as for an argument,its not an argument its a debate

If you just STFU with your banter and stupid posts like this already and constantly trying to argue with Prak, this thread wouldnt be shitted up so much. :rolleyes:

And you're spoiling it for the rest of us who want to have an intelligent discussion.

If you just STFU with your banter and stupid posts like this already and constantly trying to argue with Prak, this thread wouldnt be shitted up so much. :rolleyes:

And you're spoiling it for the rest of us who want to have an intelligent discussion.

This isn't the right forum if your looking for "intelligent discussions".

And by you bitching to Ultima your adding to the shit your so very against.

Van Finel, we get some perfectly intelligent discussions around here from time to time. Summer just sucks because kids are out of school and spending more time on the internet acting like morons.

once again argue its not arguing,its debating,listen,if people are going to have a go at me i want it to be for a reason,its people who start swearing and having bad attitudes that start things likes these,well then whats the point in the 2nd best ending they should have just added the extra bit and not had any of this percentage change.its just illogical and if i remember right isnt there a bad ending too

Looking forward to school then.

well then whats the point in the 2nd best ending they should have just added the extra bit and not had any of this percentage change.its just illogical and if i remember right isnt there a bad ending too

Please try to separate your points so the people reading them can tell who you're talking to without sifting through it.

Anyway, the point is that they made a game that rewards players for digging deeper into it. It's a major theme throughout the entire game. As you put more effort into the game by completing more sidequests, watching more dialogue scenes, and interacting with other characters, the various plots resolve in more satisfactory ways. It's a perfectly natural extension of that concept.

The bad ending was when you lose in the final boss battles and Vegnagun destroys Spira. It only happens if you lose.

The bad ending was when you lose in the final boss battles and Vegnagun destroys Spira. It only happens if you lose.

News to me. I'll load up my Farplane savefile and delibrately lose to see that.

For the record, I never saw it either. I've never bothered with trying to lose that battle.

well that bad endings fair enough,but as for the true final one,its not really rewarding enough if you complete it 100% just for them few lines

For the record, I never saw it either. I've never bothered with trying to lose that battle.

I knew about it but I only played the game once and I wasnt bothered trying to die on my first play through.

You're flip-flopping on me now, Ultimadream. You claimed before that it was a bad thing for the game to require 100% before it'll show the "real" ending. I showed that the scene afterwards was nothing but an ultimately insignificant bonus and that the big payoff was contained in the lesser ending. Now you're complaining about the scene not being rewarding enough, which is a complete reversal. You're really grasping for anything to justify your dislike of the game.

The sad thing is that you don't have to justify it at all. You're perfectly free to dislike the game for any reasons you want without any fear of being challlenged. It's when you say that those elements make the game bad that you get called on it.

but think about it people go to the effort of getting 100% and they practically get nothing for it,its just disapointing,no?

there is no point in having the 2 endings they might as well just have the perfect one

Anyway, the point is that they made a game that rewards players for digging deeper into it. It's a major theme throughout the entire game. As you put more effort into the game by completing more sidequests, watching more dialogue scenes, and interacting with other characters, the various plots resolve in more satisfactory ways. It's a perfectly natural extension of that concept.

Already addressed, as you can see.

Also, if you have more you want to add, just edit your previous post instead of posting twice in a row. Double posting is bad.

the point is that they made a game that rewards players for digging deeper into it.
but if it the best ending is just an extra conversation which doesnt mean much then its not particually rewarding is it,hence how its disapointing

As you clearly don't know the contents of the conversation, you're not really qualified to judge its worth.

well i got the information thats its not important straight fom you

I said it's not pivotal information. It is still relevant, and does further your understanding of the events of the game. It isn't necessary, but it's a suitable bonus.

well if it has a further understanding it is worth it,though theres still no reason why that couldnt have ben in the original ending,there was no need to seperate them.but theres still no excuse for the actual FF-X2 game they could have ended it on FFX,it just feels like an add on game that doesnt serve justice to the actual FFX game, playing through most of the game i felt that it didnt have much to do with FFX's Story till the end.FFX-2 should have revolved around FFX more

Again, you're doing nothing but ranting. Every single sentence in that is something I could tear down. Frankly, I'm getting bored with going in circles, so I'm not even going to bother. My points have already been well-made, so there's no sense in repeating them endlessly as you attempt to dodge around them.

might aswell cause the next person to say somthing you'll probaly complain

Well, there's quite a lot of work for those of us in the FFShrine quality control department during the summer months, so don't be surprised if I do!

He wouldn't complain if you had geniune, well-thought out reasons. :rolleyes:

He wouldn't complain if you had geniune, well-thought out reasons. :rolleyes:

x 2

So NOW will you STFU Ultimadream?

I wouldnt never had continued if you didnt have such bad attitudes

bottom line is i dislike FFX-2 the characters didnt appeal to me,dress spheres were annoying to changing slowed the pace of the battle down,summon montsers was a fun thing in FF that was not included,the game felt like it was going nowhere right till the end, the game had 5 which effects ending and every scene felt annoying,thats what i think,my oppioning and if your gonna complain go ahead because quite onestly i dont care if you dont like it,thats your problem not mine

Honestly if you wanna see the complete ending just go to youtube.com and stop bitcing an ending cannot render the game shitty. The ending is supposed to make you happy that all your hard work payed off just give up if you're going to bitch about it.

Honestly if you wanna see the complete ending just go to youtube.com and stop bitcing an ending cannot render the game shitty. The ending is supposed to make you happy that all your hard work payed off just give up if you're going to bitch about it.

I think he was saying that he wouldn't care for the endings of X-2 because he didn't care for the story in the first place.

...I apologize if my posts came across as ignorant, but I'm having a very difficult time grasping the 'fact vs. opinion' concept with respect to determining a 'best' game in this thread. The only way for me to reason this out is to use a 'qualitative vs. quantitative' approach instead.

Example:

Sample Opinion: "FFX's graphics are utter crap and there's no storyline, and it has a primitive game mechanics system."

What I would see as being a sample Fact (though in this case the numbers are complete ass-magic): "FFX's framerate is 20 fps as opposed to FFX-2's 24 fps. The script for FFX consumes 5 MB of ROM while FFX-2's requires 12 MB. FFX-2's battle engine is a real-time environment while FFX is 'CTB,' thus FFX-2's engine is more highly evolved and complex. FFX-2 is superior to FFX in terms of framerate, size of script body, and battle engine complexity."

I tried to use the poll to approach what is being considered fact by the thread, but I didn't like it because it's just a huge series of opinions tallied up to look like a score distribution against a model to spit out "8.5" or "9.3", etc...

I'll try and explain it simply, you are clearly an intelligent member and would contribute much to a debate.

You can say you love FF7, which is fine. You cannot say it's the best RPG ever(as many idiots have), as its been proven in countless threads here, that it is a highly flawed game.

Therefore, it is opinion to say you love the game, it's fact to say it's flawed. I am sorry this isn't a great explaination, Prak could probally explain it much better.

It is flawed, but I think that people focus on the story,and the music. I mean the score for FF 7 is considered to be Nobo's finest works. Considering it was one of the most successful games of all times. I mean how do you miss that info? Can't argue with facts.

I love all the ffs i have played but FFX is the worst in my mind.
i didnt like the sphere grid as i prefer gud leveling up and it took ages to get the abititles u wanted. FFX-2 fight system was much better and i enjoyed it much more.
FFIX was quite gud in my opinion but it was too easy but my fav is FF7 and FF6 as they both have gud storylines and kept me coming back for more.

I happen to agree FFX wasn't all that great. However it was the first final fantasy to feature voice overs. Which was a big plus for me. You do have to give Square some credit for stepping out on a limb, and trying something diffrent. Expecially since they used the Level system on 9 other games, but yeah in the end it was a falure. When you look at it can any final fantasy ever match up to seven?

I happen to agree FFX wasn't all that great. However it was the first final fantasy to feature voice overs. Which was a big plus for me. You do have to give Square some credit for stepping out on a limb, and trying something diffrent. Expecially since they used the Level system on 9 other games, but yeah in the end it was a falure. When you look at it can any final fantasy ever match up to seven?


very gud point, i do like tht FFX had voice overs cause i did tire over reading very thing tht they said and of course the graphics are very gud which is a plus.
even though seven isnt very gud graphics it is still the best FF

Honestly your arguing is pointless, you can't say any FF is the best or any FF is the worst, because it is all based on OPINION. Trying to put game on a ranking system will never work, mainly because everyone holds a different game closer to their heart, You cannot say this game was better than that game because that is OPINION, no matter how many facts you throw out it is still biased opinion. Games were ment to be enjoyed not ripped apart by analyzation, oh the script, combat, charachter, or setting was bad. To you it may be trash, but a masterpiece to another, it is our difference in gaming that makes new diverse games or else every game would look alike, let's face it there will never be a perfect game people have different opinions so this thread is pretty much pointless as the worst game cannot be proven, and debating whether they chose the right FF as the worst cannot be debated as it is their OPINION .

It is flawed, but I think that people focus on the story,and the music. I mean the score for FF 7 is considered to be Nobo's finest works. Considering it was one of the most successful games of all times. I mean how do you miss that info? Can't argue with facts.

Nobuo stopped trying after FF6

IX had some of the best tunes in any of the game. Kuja's Theme and Immoral Melody was absolutely perfectly sinister. The organ theme for Garland and Pandemonium was also perfect. Melodies of Life is the best love theme in all the games. And VIII had some fantastic tracks. Liberi Fatali, Eyes On Me, The Legendary Beast... Even if FFVII is regarded as the best by a majority composed of small-brained whelps, its musical score wil never be seen as THE best.

What are you talking about? One-winged angel was excellent

One-Winged Angel is over-rated. It's good, but not great.

I find that One Winged Angel is an atrocity to my ears, but I'll submit that FF8 had good, albeit ill-fitting songs.

I'm not saying that the FF VII music is the best, I'm just saying it's good.

Honestly your arguing is pointless, you can't say any FF is the best or any FF is the worst, because it is all based on OPINION.
You can't have a debate over purely factual information. Suppose you take a slice of cheddar cheese and stage a debate, one person arguing that it is yellowish-orange, the other arguing that it's brown. If the color of the cheese is yellowish-orange, there's nothing to debate because it's purely a factual question.

Trying to put game on a ranking system will never work, mainly because everyone holds a different game closer to their heart,
I'm tempted to make fun of your metaphor, but I think it will suffice to say that a debate DEALS with opinions, each person giving evidence to support his point of view.

You cannot say this game was better than that game because that is OPINION,
Since when are you not allowed to state your opinion as fact? That's what a debate IS.

no matter how many facts you throw out it is still biased opinion.
Of course everyone is biased, but that doesn't mean you can't debate over the quality of a game.

Games were ment to be enjoyed not ripped apart by analyzation, oh the script, combat, charachter, or setting was bad.
Games were meant to make money, JFTR, and if you don't like the idea of criticism of video games, then you can quit posting in this thread.

To you it may be trash, but a masterpiece to another,
Totally irrelevent. Whether or not something is a masterpiece is no matter of opinion. Try comparing Lil' John's song, Get Low, which required the creativity of a six-year-old to write, with Mozart's opera, Don Giovanni, which is extremely difficult to perform and which has been recognized as a masterpiece for hundreds of years. More people probably like Lil' John (a fact that disgusts me,) but there is no way in hell you can argue that he created any masterpieces.

it is our difference in gaming that makes new diverse games or else every game would look alike,
What makes new diverse games is the creativity of the game creators. People may enjoy different games, but that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to debate about them.

let's face it there will never be a perfect game people have different opinions so this thread is pretty much pointless
This thread is not pointless because there is an enjoyable aspect to debating the quality of games.

as the worst game cannot be proven,
Of course not, or any debate would be won by the person lucky enough to be right.

and debating whether they chose the right FF
On a debate team, you are ASSIGNED a point of view, and you have to argue it whether you believe in it or not.

as the worst cannot be debated as it is their OPINION .
If you can't debate opinions, then what the hell do you debate?

1 was the worst for me because it kinda lacked in story i know it was their first one but when they remade they should have but a better story line to it.
Though ff2 sucked because you had to beet yourself up to get health its innovative but crap

1 was the worst for me because it kinda lacked in story i know it was their first one but when they remade they should have but a better story line to it.
Though ff2 sucked because you had to beet yourself up to get health its innovative but crap
Please enlighten this thread by telling us which FF could possibly your favourite.

1 was the worst for me because it kinda lacked in story i know it was their first one but when they remade they should have but a better story line to it.
Though ff2 sucked because you had to beet yourself up to get health its innovative but crap


Please enlighten this thread by telling us which FF could possibly your favourite.

i don't have a single favourite my favourites are 7 & 9

This news shocks me!

This news shocks me!

whys that?

*sigh* I don't know if you've noticed but your screen name is Measter Yazoo. It's quite upsetting that I had to point that out to you.

*sigh* I don't know if you've noticed but your screen name is Measter Yazoo. It's quite upsetting that I had to point that out to you.

You could like ac but not like the original because one of my bros hates the game but loves the movie

You could like ac but not like the original
That's highly unlikely. You see, AC is a bad film, which has been proven to bad across this site repeatedly. The majority, if not all, of the people that like AC are big lovers of the FFVII game, which is why they like the movie; because they see their favourite game characters jumping about the screen and kicking bad-guy ass again with a huge sword.

Fair enough he dosen't love the movie but he really likes it. Fair enough i do agree with you that most people who watched the movie are fans of the game but there are some exceptions.

You can't have a debate over purely factual information. Suppose you take a slice of cheddar cheese and stage a debate, one person arguing that it is yellowish-orange, the other arguing that it's brown. If the color of the cheese is yellowish-orange, there's nothing to debate because it's purely a factual question.

I'm tempted to make fun of your metaphor, but I think it will suffice to say that a debate DEALS with opinions, each person giving evidence to support his point of view.

Since when are you not allowed to state your opinion as fact? That's what a debate IS.

Of course everyone is biased, but that doesn't mean you can't debate over the quality of a game.

Games were meant to make money, JFTR, and if you don't like the idea of criticism of video games, then you can quit posting in this thread.

Totally irrelevent. Whether or not something is a masterpiece is no matter of opinion. Try comparing Lil' John's song, Get Low, which required the creativity of a six-year-old to write, with Mozart's opera, Don Giovanni, which is extremely difficult to perform and which has been recognized as a masterpiece for hundreds of years. More people probably like Lil' John (a fact that disgusts me,) but there is no way in hell you can argue that he created any masterpieces.

What makes new diverse games is the creativity of the game creators. People may enjoy different games, but that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to debate about them.

This thread is not pointless because there is an enjoyable aspect to debating the quality of games.

Of course not, or any debate would be won by the person lucky enough to be right.

On a debate team, you are ASSIGNED a point of view, and you have to argue it whether you believe in it or not.

If you can't debate opinions, then what the hell do you debate?Like I said you cannot debate which game is better in terms of worst or best because it is biased, games will prove better or worse to different people. So you cannot procclaim this game is better than this one because it will not get you anywhere. And of course games are meant to make money but also to be enjoyed each game targets a different audience, each game will have it's ups and downs I know a lot of people who liked FF6 personally thinked it sucked, but that is just to me but I can't say it is the worst just because I hated it. So basically if this thread were to be accurately named it would be called which FF is worst in your opinion.because which is actually worse can never be determined.

So basically, you're saying we should all stop debating each other on matters such as the one at hand, because you think we're wasting our time.
STFU.

NO you can debate freely I don not have your nuts on a vicegrip but you cannot proclaim this game as best and this game at worst because it would be biased and biased info doesn't mean crap. and resorting to profanty so fast doen't aide in getting your point across.
So basically, you're saying we should all stop debating each other on matters such as the one at hand, because you think we're wasting our time Sounds like an intelligent response
STFU.Sounds like rjkrider.

NO you can debate freely I don not have your nuts on a vicegrip but you cannot proclaim this game as best and this game at worst because it would be biased and biased info doesn't mean crap. and resorting to profanty so fast doen't aide in getting your point across. Sounds like an intelligent response
Sounds like rjkrider.
Do not associate a simple request to Shut the Fuck Up, with the antics of a despised, bullshitting member, because that does show a pathetic attempt at an insult. Also, just because you say a game is the best, doesn't make you biased toward that game. Being biased is to be excessively devoted to one thing or favouring one thing over another in an unfair way. I may prefer FFVII to FFVI, but I still believe FFVI to be the better game, you see?

The worse Final Fantasy imo is still Final Fantasy II, on the NES. Even though it's mostly only annoying in the early parts of the game, FFII had an appauling battle and experience system. Too much of a turn-off for me.

FF II was indeed, terrible, but I finished it as well as the extra game which is lame and impossible. (Dawn of Sould I believe)

Yes but you cannot state one game is best becuse you only make a very small fraction of the fans of whatever your preference is. The only way to prove which game is best and which is worse is a poll an even that would be inaccurate because that, something such as a game or any form of media cannot be brought to ranking because everyone will interpret media differently. So what you could really say is my personal best and my personal worst. Best and worst cannot be proven
Bias A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment or A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others. So baically this topic would be bias. And for the rjkrider statement if you search up all of his threads as soon as he types something idiotic and someone confronts him he says STFU... incessantly.

Of course best and worst can't be proven. (I don't understand Prak for this)

Why is something good? By facts. But facts are always stated by opinions, 'cause those facts we tend to give are just definitions, but basically they're still opinions.

Don't you just love the way Lionheart Reborn persists in shitting up the thread with his moronic assertions of things that have already been proven conclusively to be wrong?

And for the rjkrider statement if you search up all of his threads as soon as he types something idiotic and someone confronts him he says STFU... incessantly.
So please explain how RJKrider's 'incessant' and repetitive nature relates to my single STFU statement.


Yes but you cannot state one game is best becuse you only make a very small fraction of the fans of whatever your preference is. The only way to prove which game is best and which is worse is a poll an even that would be inaccurate because that, something such as a game or any form of media cannot be brought to ranking because everyone will interpret media differently. So what you could really say is my personal best and my personal worst. Best and worst cannot be proven So baically this topic would be bias.
Well, now you're changing the subject, I was challenging your definition of bias. Just leave it at this because I'm not getting into the whole 'opinion-fact' argument. It bores me and it's been said a hundred times.


Don't you just love the way Lionheart Reborn persists in shitting up the thread with his moronic assertions of things that have already been proven conclusively to be wrong?
Quoted for truth.

You're totally in the right though SS, it shouldn't bore you. :p

:laugh: That's true.

Well, now you're changing the subject, I was challenging your definition of bias. Just leave it at this because I'm not getting into the whole 'opinion-fact' argument. It bores me and it's been said a hundred times.
I gave you my definition on bias. But Prak even as that statement was rude you are right I will cease in shting up this thread.
Bias A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment or A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others.

Thank you for your definition which, by the way, I do not give two shits about because it does not argue my statement.

Double post, which i will use to say:

Don't you just love the way Lionheart Reborn persists in shitting up the thread with his moronic assertions of things that have already been proven conclusively to be wrong?

Pray tell, what the fuck does bias have to do with simple fact? :rolleyes:

Pray tell, what the fuck does bias have to do with simple fact? :rolleyes:

FFVI is a better game then FFVII-FACT

People prefer FFVII to FFVI-OPINION
Qft.

Pray tell, what the fuck does bias have to do with simple fact? :rolleyes:If the info is biased it cannot be considered fact.
Ok this subject is boring me here is a summary best and worst is impossible to prove, that is why you say IMO, and debating whether the game is best and worse is pointless because it is two different opinions two different reasons. Interpretation differs throughout everyone making this info bias. You can tell which you hated most of all but you can't say this one was worst than the other, because your opinion means very little to undeniable fact. And I said I wasn't discussing this anymore continue posting which was in your opinion best and worst. Any other comments can be PM'ed to me.

If the info is biased it cannot be considered fact.

What part of 'debate' do you not understand? :rolleyes:

The whole point of a debate is to be unbiased and objective. Anyone who is not, does not understand how to debate.



Ok this subject is boring me here is a summary best and worst is impossible to prove,

The Shawshank Redemeption
Predator 2

Which is the better film? :rolleyes:





that is why you say IMO, and debating whether the game is best and worse is pointless because it is two different opinions two different reasons.

For the last time, quality isn't a matter of opinion. It is fact.


Interpretation differs throughout everyone making this info bias. You can tell which you hated most of all but you can't say this one was worst than the other, because your opinion means very little to undeniable fact. And I said I wasn't discussing this anymore continue posting which was in your opinion best and worst. Any other comments can be PM'ed to me.

There you go with this biased crap again. No-one of worth is being biased in this debate. I prefer to play FFX-2 then FFVI. That doesn't mean it's a better game, I simply enjoy it more. Personal enjoyment and quality are two different things.

Yes but not a lot of people have been posting on quality but rather on enjoyment which is why I said that was bias. And games will differ on quality to different people. Like you for example You believe the quality of FFVIII was poor, to me the script was unparalleled to any FF I've played, the characters were far more relatable, the graphics were ahead of it's time the battle system made the game so easy to cruise through, and the plot twist was not bad seeing as it was justified in the game. But see I just debated quality but my quality came from my opinion as did yours.

Yes but not a lot of people have been posting on quality but rather on enjoyment which is why I said that was bias.

Hence why I said 'anyone of note'.




And games will differ on quality to different people.

Wrong, there are universal standards of quality. You once again mistake personal enjoyment for quality.


Like you for example You believe the quality of FFVIII was poor

Indeed I do. I enjoy playing it, although I know its a wretched game.


to me the script was unparalleled to any FF I've played, the characters were far more relatable,

The dialouge was adequate, the characters were as shallow as a rock-pool however. You probally felt they were relatable because they had very little depth.


the graphics were ahead of it's time the battle system made the game so easy to cruise through,

The graphics were good at the time granted. But, the battle system is the downfall of this game. 'Easy to cruise through' is not a good thing in terms of quality. Any battle system that doesn't require you to level or train your characters is fudamentally flawed.


and the plot twist was not bad seeing as it was justified in the game.

The plot-twist was a total cop-out. Bad storytelling prevails, which again causes FFVIII to score badly in the quality stakes.


But see I just debated quality but my quality came from my opinion as did yours.

No, this post has been entirely objective.

Haha, discussing discussions.

One of FF VIII's major problems was introduced by the battle system. The enemy leveling as you did was certainly a change from prior FFs, but it encourages 'blast-through' play, and that's not something which should be encouraged, especially by an RPG. That, and the Junction system discourages magic use (obviously the more spells you use the fewer Junction possibilities you have and the weaker those possibilities become), and the Limit Break system is VERY, VERY broken. I went all the way to Disc 4 using Degenerator, White Wind and Renzokuken. That's it, it's all you need, save for Omega Weapon, maybe the occasional Revive or Holy War. Kinda...boring.

When Selphie created her "I have a confession to make" excuse, my stomach almost bottomed out. In fact, my first impulse was to try and tie that loose end up properly; where is this GF she used for a while, what did it do, and why would it force her to forget its name? Actually, that whole scene about them coming from the same orphanage was too sugary, in an "O, RLY?" sort of way.

I can tell I haven't missed anything since I've been here last. When will folks understand that "its jsut my opinon!1!" isn't going to get them anywhere? Sigh. At any rate, I defy anybody to show me how FFVIII isn't the worst.

You know, the only FF I never finished was 8 and thats because I think the last 2 disks just DRAGGED. I maxed out on everything I could but the story just wasn't cutting it anymore.

I can tell I haven't missed anything since I've been here last. When will folks understand that "its jsut my opinon!1!" isn't going to get them anywhere? Sigh. At any rate, I defy anybody to show me how FFVIII isn't the worst.
Where have you been?

I can tell I haven't missed anything since I've been here last. When will folks understand that "its jsut my opinon!1!" isn't going to get them anywhere? Sigh. At any rate, I defy anybody to show me how FFVIII isn't the worst.
Because it's one thing to say it's bad, saying it's the worst thing ever. Because that would be your opinion and far from truth.

I'm not getting involved in this, but I must agree with CyanCyde here, opinions are different for everyone. I personally (and don't start kicking me for this) hate FFX quite a bit. Don't mean I don't play it, as a matter of fact, I've played it +- 300h., but still, opinions are personal, and everyone who says his opinion is NOT TRUE, is kinda weird.
Again, no offense.

If that was aimed at me, he has stated that FFVIII was the worst FF. The reason this is false is because VIII not only put prior FF's to shame FF built up from it's success.

How exactly did FF8 do that?

Because it's one thing to say it's bad, saying it's the worst thing ever. Because that would be your opinion and far from truth.

Sigh. That's not even worth a response.


The reason this is false is because VIII not only put prior FF's to shame FF built up from it's success.

You fail completely. Not only were the previous, oh, five FF titles superior to FFVIII, but FFIX was a dramatic reversal in style from FFVIII, from fantasy-cyberpunk with a "dark" main character, to fantasy steampunk with an outgoing main character with a personality. I wouldn't call that "building up from its success" unless you're using some definition of "building up" that I've never heard before.

edit:

Where have you been?

Not being arsed to read nine-tenths of the drivel that's become prevalent on FFS.

You fail completely. Not only were the previous, oh, five FF titles superior to FFVIII, but FFIX was a dramatic reversal in style from FFVIII, from fantasy-cyberpunk with a "dark" main character, to fantasy steampunk with an outgoing main character with a personality. I wouldn't call that "building up from its success" unless you're using some definition of "building up" that I've never heard before.


That was the most idiotic thing I've heard, and I've heard a full grown man say what's a hypotenuse. No way were the previous FF better than FFVIII before FF the char. development was pure retardation, uninteresting in everyway. They had as much definition as a kids book. And the story was always soo tired and predictable Oh once upon a time their was a calm land and there was crystals that shone brightest in all the world. And everyone had the same crappy ass ending, you put the cystals back ad everything turns to normal. That is about the dumbest thing ever. AS far as your dark main char. statement, he is far from dark he timid and anti-social for him to be "dark" that would include some sort of anger or agitatio of some some sort. And you missed my point entirely, as you know know FF builds up from previous FFs (story wise) but in turn with graphics. After FFVIII Square started utilizing more FMVs to sort of pull you into the story.

That was the most idiotic thing I've heard, and I've heard a full grown man say what's a hypotenuse. No way were the previous FF better than FFVIII before FF the char. development was pure retardation, uninteresting in everyway. They had as much definition as a kids book.
And the story was always soo tired and predictable Oh once upon a time their was a calm land and there was crystals that shone brightest in all the world. And everyone had the same crappy ass ending, you put the cystals back ad everything turns to normal. That is about the dumbest thing ever. AS far as your dark main char. statement, he is far from dark he timid and anti-social for him to be "dark" that would include some sort of anger or agitatio of some some sort. And you missed my point entirely, as you know know FF builds up from previous FFs (story wise) but in turn with graphics. After FFVIII Square started utilizing more FMVs to sort of pull you into the story.

Hold on a second, what?. Saying the character development was "pure retardation" makes you seem totaly immature and is a cheap way of ducking out of saying why you didn`t like it. I have a feeling you haven`t even played some of the previous FF titles and you don`t go for anything without flashy cut-scenes. But that`s not you`re fault, you`re 14. Maybe when you grow up a little and get a better taste in games you`ll see how charming and engrossing some of the older FF titles are.

Hold on a second, what?. Saying the character development was "pure retardation" makes you seem totaly immature and is a cheap way of ducking out of saying why you didn`t like it. I have a feeling you haven`t even played some of the previous FF titles and you don`t go for anything without flashy cut-scenes. But that`s not you`re fault, you`re 14. Maybe when you grow up a little and get a better taste in games you`ll see how charming and engrossing some of the older FF titles are.Actually not I've played 1-7 during summers I have a lot of free time but for me to go delve into all 7 games I think I'll pass, in one FF you named the characters they had no deault names. Actually I do enjoy games w/o flashy cutscenes I enjoyed 7 and those cutscenes ar from classy looked like cheap pixar. Give me one snes Ff that had good char. development and no FFIII/VI I've played it and there's nothing special except the script is more coarse.

Let`s get something straight. I don`t claim to know or have played much of the older games. However, it just baffles me when someone gives such a cynical attitude regarding the orgins of the series. Granted some of the games may not have aged well but i`d take them for what they are and what time they were developed in.

I would say one is the worst simply because there isn't a complex story line with lots of dialouge like the ones i like, and also you can't summon

Let`s get something straight. I don`t claim to know or have played much of the older games. However, it just baffles me when someone gives such a cynical attitude regarding the orgins of the series. Granted some of the games may not have aged well but i`d take them for what they are and what time they were developed in.
Oh don't get me wrong I enjoyed them a interesting story is an interesting story. But saying FVIII is worst than all of the classics was wrong.

I would say one is the worst simply because there isn't a complex story line with lots of dialouge like the ones i like, and also you can't summon
Summons don't make the game I mean I've played SO which is summon free and I liked it better than almost any FF to date.

I would say one is the worst simply because there isn't a complex story line with lots of dialouge like the ones i like, and also you can't summon

Do you know how long ago it was made?

I notice LR ignored my previous post.

mine would be X-2 because i nearly completed it with out training which made it too easy

Do you know how long ago it was made?

Fair enough but i think they should have put a better story in the remake is what i mean. Sorry i forgot to say that on my first post

Edit: i thought my computer was buggered up so i tapped it twice. Sorry for double posting

I would say one is the worst simply because there isn't a complex story line with lots of dialouge like the ones i like, and also you can't summon

If you played it when it first came out i think you would love it.

If you played it when it first came out i think you would love it.

Yeah i would have but i am not that old not even close so i have grown around storylined games

mine would be X-2 because i nearly completed it with out training which made it too easy
Alot of games don't require you to train as long as you fight every challenge along the way. My def. of training is this guy is to hard to beat so I'll forcibly lvl the only gam I had to do that with was X. That damn sphere grid kept screwing me over.

Yeah i would have but i am not that old not even close so i have grown around storylined games

THIS IS ALMOST ENTIRLY UNREADABLE!!!

THIS IS ALMOST ENTIRLY UNREADABLE!!!

You said that in a completely different thread.
You said it on the Metal gear solid vs Splinter cell. To prove to everyone the spaticated mistake you have done here is the link

BP mocking me in the wrong thread (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?p=618392#post618392)

Alot of games don't require you to train as long as you fight every challenge along the way. My def. of training is this guy is to hard to beat so I'll forcibly lvl the only gam I had to do that with was X. That damn sphere grid kept screwing me over.

but in X-2 i was not getting any random encouters to train up at the final dungeon for the final boss so i just gave up and never played it again and it bugged me for a while

You said that in a completely different thread.
You said it on the Metal gear solid vs Splinter cell. To prove to everyone the spaticated mistake you have done here is the link

BP mocking me in the wrong thread (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?p=618392#post618392)

Maybe because it still applies hmm... well it does, please proof read your posts...and I say this again because it applies also

EDIT: you may find that aside from atrocious spelling, you have a bad memory, I did not post the exact same words, though they may have sufficed

That was the most idiotic thing I've heard, and I've heard a full grown man say what's a hypotenuse.[QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lionheart Reborn]No way were the previous FF better than FFVIII before FF the char. development was pure retardation, uninteresting in everyway. They had as much definition as a kids book.

Wait. Didn't you just say that opinions weren't truth? I just want to clarify--you're giving up your cop-out non-arguement in favor of actually discussing/debating actual merits/demerits? Moving from that premise, your point is teh suck. Tell me how FFVI has poor character development, as opposed to FFVIII. Same for FFVII and FFT. Heck, go for FFIV while we're at it.


And the story was always soo tired and predictable Oh once upon a time their was a calm land and there was crystals that shone brightest in all the world. And everyone had the same crappy ass ending, you put the cystals back ad everything turns to normal. That is about the dumbest thing ever.

Let's see...okay, FFV's story wasn't so hot. Other than that, FFIV is the only one I mentioned that has anything to do with the Crystals. So much for that non-point.


AS far as your dark main char. statement, he is far from dark he timid and anti-social for him to be "dark" that would include some sort of anger or agitatio of some some sort.

Um, yeah. Squall's got the whole dark, anti-hero wannabe thing going, with the whole pushing everybody away thing--that's not timid, anti-socialness. That's the whole "I lost somebody once so I won't have anything to do with anybody else" thing.


And you missed my point entirely, as you know know FF builds up from previous FFs (story wise) but in turn with graphics. After FFVIII Square started utilizing more FMVs to sort of pull you into the story.

Wrong on all counts. FF does NOT build up from previous FF's, story-wise. Improving graphics is a natural evolution of gaming in general--saying that's specifically a FF characteristic is utter garbage. And it was after FFVII that Squeenix started utilizing more FMV's. FFVIII just overused poorly directed ones to try to make up for its lackluster (to put it nicely) story.

I noticed that Lionheart is starting to grow in likeness to Sephclone in that they both can't stand having their precious favourite game being put to scrutiny.

You know what, Lionheart? If you want to convince us that FF8 is "da best shizzle evah!11" you'll have to do the legwork in stating your arguments as concisely and logically sound as possible. Thrashing around like a retarded little fanboy dropped on his head at infancy will do NOTHING to convince anyone to see eye to eye with your opinions.

So...if you're so sound in believing that FF8 is so good, I want an essay on it, detailing every single aspect of the game and what you liked about it, use those points to write about how it puts other previous FF games to shame. I want you to use no less than 5000 words and I want you to organize your points in paragraphs, indent them and use proper written UK-English spelling and grammar. Anything less will automatically be considered bullshit.

I noticed that Lionheart is starting to grow in likeness to Sephclone in that they both can't stand having their precious favourite game being put to scrutiny.

You know what, Lionheart? If you want to convince us that FF8 is "da best shizzle evah!11" you'll have to do the legwork in stating your arguments as concisely and logically sound as possible. Thrashing around like a retarded little fanboy dropped on his head at infancy will do NOTHING to convince anyone to see eye to eye with your opinions.

So...if you're so sound in believing that FF8 is so good, I want an essay on it, detailing every single aspect of the game and what you liked about it, use those points to write about how it puts other previous FF games to shame. I want you to use no less than 5000 words and I want you to organize your points in paragraphs, indent them and use proper written UK-English spelling and grammar. Anything less will automatically be considered bullshit.


I guess you showed him.

"da best shizzle evah!11" Rollin on the fucking floor laughing.
I want an essay on it, detailing every single aspect of the game and what you liked about it, use those points to write about how it puts other previous FF games to shame. I want you to use no less than 5000 words and I want you to organize your points in paragraphs, indent them and use proper written UK-English spelling and grammar. Anything less will automatically be considered bullshit.
Well thanks Mrs.Michelle Will this be on my final Grade?

I noticed that Lionheart is starting to grow in likeness to Sephclone in that they both can't stand having their precious favourite game being put to scrutiny.

I noticed that Lionheart has ignored my previous post, which did a pretty decent job of pointing out his non-arguments and falsehoods, if I do say so myself, considering that I didn't have but a couple minutes to post.

I've played most of the NES (missed III), all of the SNES, the playstation ones, Tactics Advance and Crystal Chronicles. My least favourites out of all of those are:

FFII - Quite honestly it bored me and I just didn't really get on with the leveling up system.

FFVIII - It just didn't appeal to me much, I got bored eventually and stopped playing before the end.

FFII - Quite honestly it bored me and I just didn't really get on with the leveling up system.

FFVIII - It just didn't appeal to me much, I got bored eventually and stopped playing before the end.

Well, I do agree about Final Fantasy II, but both FFII and FFVIII are worth playing to the end, just so you know, you shouldn't give up that quickly. =)
I remember I was so turned off by the athmosphere you had with Final Fantasy VIII, it just didn't appeal to me (hm..was a bit ignorant back then), but anyways, I replayed it, and understood the full potential of the Junction system and all.
And as for Final Fantasy II, it actually has quite a decent storyline, although not very developed, the proces from the beginning towards the end is still quite exciting (gotta love the final dungeon in games like these ^_^).

So, it's worth playing ANYHOW! :smrt:

Wait. Didn't you just say that opinions weren't truth? I just want to clarify--you're giving up your cop-out non-arguement in favor of actually discussing/debating actual merits/demerits? Moving from that premise, your point is teh suck. Tell me how FFVI has poor character development, as opposed to FFVIII. Same for FFVII and FFT. Heck, go for FFIV while we're at it
VI- Couldn't give you the whole thing because I lost interest, But I will be back after I complete it.
VII- Just to la-di-da ok let's form a group to beat shinra none of them actually showed a reason for fighting. Barret was the only one that showed a remote reason, fighting for his little girl. Cloud was... just... can't even put into words he comes of a train and goes into a building and just starts fighting. Now don't get me wrong I never said I didn't enjoy the game but I just don't understand you saying VIII was less developed than all prior FF's
IV- This was just dumb, sorry to be so vulgar, They never said any thing about .... what was his name oh yeah Cecil (real masculine). He comes back from a mission after slaughtering people for a stupid crystal. Still is a cruel black knight. Then he goes to a city (forgot the name), and they say the only way for you to continue your journey, you have to go to this mountain and become a paladin. He didn't say ok he just goes like a dog and returns a paladin. As far as the other chars. they died to fast to even be defined, they didn't even really die (they just came back in the end not all).
Let's see...okay, FFV's story wasn't so hot. Other than that, FFIV is the only one I mentioned that has anything to do with the Crystals. So much for that non-point.
Actually you said all prior FF and the only one's I haven't played are 3&5 1,2, and four were obsessed with crystals and that's how they all started.
Um, yeah. Squall's got the whole dark, anti-hero wannabe thing going, with the whole pushing everybody away thing--that's not timid, anti-socialness. That's the whole "I lost somebody once so I won't have anything to do with anybody else" thing.

That's not dark antisocial yes but I would go as far as "dark". Unless you'd like to call me dark.

Wrong on all counts. FF does NOT build up from previous FF's, story-wise. Improving graphics is a natural evolution of gaming in general--saying that's specifically a FF characteristic is utter garbage. And it was after FFVII that Squeenix started utilizing more FMV's. FFVIII just overused poorly directed ones to try to make up for its lackluster (to put it nicely) story.Granted yes seven started the utilizing of FMVs, but it was VIII that made it so abundant. See you think it was to cover their faults I think it was to pull you into the story, captivate you, and maybe show off their graphics.
P.S. Sorry for late response.

That was the most idiotic thing I've heard, and I've heard a full grown man say what's a hypotenuse.

LOL Sadly "the king of irony" is probably the nicest thing anyone has said to me.

srry double

VI- Couldn't give you the whole thing because I lost interest, But I will be back after I complete it.
I'll just use this to say I'm entering into this and that I'll be waiting for this one.

VII- Just to la-di-da ok let's form a group to beat shinra none of them actually showed a reason for fighting. Barret was the only one that showed a remote reason, fighting for his little girl. Cloud was... just... can't even put into words he comes of a train and goes into a building and just starts fighting. Now don't get me wrong I never said I didn't enjoy the game but I just don't understand you saying VIII was less developed than all prior FF's
Actually, VII could be the exception because the characters were not particularly well developed. And actually, the reasons the characters had for fighting was just about the only development they received, to be honest. I won't go into that, though, because I agree that VII's characters were badly developed.

IV- This was just dumb, sorry to be so vulgar, They never said any thing about .... what was his name oh yeah Cecil (real masculine).
I can see what kind of dilluted picture you have of what it is to be a man.

He comes back from a mission after slaughtering people for a stupid crystal. Still is a cruel black knight. Then he goes to a city (forgot the name), and they say the only way for you to continue your journey, you have to go to this mountain and become a paladin.
Your summary does not quite do justice to the story, I'm afraid. Cecil is not just a cruel black knightl; after he attacks the defenseless Mysidians, he feels completely disgusted with himself and swears never to obey such an order from the king again. Oh, and he saves a little girl's life, saves Rosa's life, and defends Fabul from Baron all before he goes to "a city," which is named Mysidia, by the way, and finds that the only way he can fight Golbez is if he faces his past as a dark knight and embraces the sacred power of a paladin.

He didn't say ok he just goes like a dog and returns a paladin. As far as the other chars. they died to fast to even be defined, they didn't even really die (they just came back in the end not all).
He most certainly does not just go like a dog, rather, he goes to the mountain because it's his only chance to save Rosa and stop Golbez. Also, I would like to point out that Rosa, Kain, and Edward never "died," and although it kind if was ridiculous that so many of the ones that seemed to die came back, the plot still flows very well, and certainly none of the charcters died too fast to be defined.

Actually you said all prior FF and the only one's I haven't played are 3&5 1,2, and four were obsessed with crystals and that's how they all started.
Despite that video games are inanimate, and therefore it is impossible for them to be obsessed, seeing as how obsession is a state of mind, your point is still rather lame. FFI didn't have much of a plot, I will grant, and I haven't played through FFII, but FFIV had far more to its plot than the crystals. They played an integral role in the plot, yes, but to dismiss the plot of the game as inferior, you need much more of a complaint than that.

That's not dark antisocial yes but I would go as far as "dark". Unless you'd like to call me dark.
That's a very trivial thing to argue, to be honest. The whole point of CyanCyde's argument was that Squall was an archetypical zombie with no depth to his character.

Granted yes seven started the utilizing of FMVs, but it was VIII that made it so abundant. See you think it was to cover their faults I think it was to pull you into the story, captivate you, and maybe show off their graphics.
P.S. Sorry for late response.
I disagree with both of you. They used FMVs simply because they could. I don't think they detract from the game, but you can't really consider a game good just because of its FMVs.


LOL Sadly "the king of irony" is probably the nicest thing anyone has said to me.
I'm going to ask you nicely to make better arguments, or I will become not so nice.

VI- Couldn't give you the whole thing because I lost interest, But I will be back after I complete it.
VII- Just to la-di-da ok let's form a group to beat shinra none of them actually showed a reason for fighting. Barret was the only one that showed a remote reason, fighting for his little girl. Cloud was... just... can't even put into words he comes of a train and goes into a building and just starts fighting. Now don't get me wrong I never said I didn't enjoy the game but I just don't understand you saying VIII was less developed than all prior FF's
IV- This was just dumb, sorry to be so vulgar, They never said any thing about .... what was his name oh yeah Cecil (real masculine). He comes back from a mission after slaughtering people for a stupid crystal. Still is a cruel black knight. Then he goes to a city (forgot the name), and they say the only way for you to continue your journey, you have to go to this mountain and become a paladin. He didn't say ok he just goes like a dog and returns a paladin. As far as the other chars. they died to fast to even be defined, they didn't even really die (they just came back in the end not all).

How can you say FFVIII put its predecessors to shame when you haven't actually played through them? Anyway, I fail to see how these games are worse in the character development department, when FFVIII's main character goes from a jerk-off to a jerk-off with a girlfriend. Other than the love story part, nine-tenths of the character development in VIII comes from that God-awful plot twist.


Actually you said all prior FF and the only one's I haven't played are 3&5 1,2, and four were obsessed with crystals and that's how they all started.

Actually, I said the previous five FF's. Don't twist my words. At any rate, your "compaints" about these games are probably the most superficial nonsense I've heard in quite some time. I get the feeling that you're a flashophile (loves flashy stuff).


You fail completely. Not only were the previous, oh, five FF titles superior to FFVIII,


Granted yes seven started the utilizing of FMVs, but it was VIII that made it so abundant. See you think it was to cover their faults I think it was to pull you into the story, captivate you, and maybe show off their graphics.

Squeenix seems to have learned quite a few lessons from FFVIII; not abusing FMV's was one of them. Both FFIX and FFX (heck, X-2, too!) had fewer FMV's than VIII. The ones they did have were also better-directed for the most part. At any rate, the sheer number of FMV's in VIII created pacing issues in the story, which had enough issues on its own.


That's not dark antisocial yes but I would go as far as "dark". Unless you'd like to call me dark.

Even though FF1 beat me to the punch, I could call you a lot of things for trying to argue this stupid point with me.

Your summary does not quite do justice to the story, I'm afraid. Cecil is not just a cruel black knightl; after he attacks the defenseless Mysidians, he feels completely disgusted with himself and swears never to obey such an order from the king again. Oh, and he saves a little girl's life, saves Rosa's life, and defends Fabul from Baron all before he goes to "a city," which is named Mysidia, by the way, and finds that the only way he can fight Golbez is if he faces his past as a dark knight and embraces the sacred power of a paladin.
Yes but he never took it upon himself to become a Paladin, The Leader of some Villiage said the only way to continue is to go to the mountain and get rid of your dark soul(the gist of what he said), and he just goes blindly not one second of thought you call that embracing, I call that mindly following. No matter how bad he felt he never said I want to become a Paladin, he just did it to progress the story.
FFIV had far more to its plot than the crystals. They played an integral role in the plot, yes, but to dismiss the plot of the game as inferior, you need much more of a complaint than that.
NO I am not saying that the plot was inferior out of te whole crystaline stories I like this on the most. Yes this was the only one that I played which I liked but the primary arguement was the character defenition saying VIII's has less definition that them.
That's a very trivial thing to argue, to be honest. The whole point of CyanCyde's argument was that Squall was an archetypical zombie with no depth to his character.
See I didn't really take it like that I took him as a scarred soul who refused to assosciate with others, Like cyancyde said " He was hurt once so he built a wall to not be hurt again. I find that characteristic to be most realistic of the FF's the world isn't filled with people that say "OK this landed in my lap. So it will be my divine quest", and go around with a huge smile on his face. The characteristics of Squall seemed more realistic to me becuse no one is that ignorant to pain and suffering and will just brush it off happily.
I disagree with both of you. They used FMVs simply because they could. I don't think they detract from the game, but you can't really consider a game good just because of its FMVs.
Yes I agree with you there they may have just used it because they could, and I know FMVs don't make a good story let alone game.
How can you say FFVIII put its predecessors to shame when you haven't actually played through them? Anyway, I fail to see how these games are worse in the character development department, when FFVIII's main character goes from a jerk-off to a jerk-off with a girlfriend. Other than the love story part, nine-tenths of the character development in VIII comes from that God-awful plot twist.
Ok my correction the predecessors that I have played. I disagree with you ther I believe he goes from a person that's been scarred and hardened because of it to a indivdual who is learning to love and to trust people again, by the end of the 2nd disk right before the Galbladia Garden battle when he is told to speak you see a new voice of a confident strong person rather than is normal "..." stature.
Actually, I said the previous five FF's. Don't twist my words. At any rate, your "compaints" about these games are probably the most superficial nonsense I've heard in quite some time. I get the feeling that you're a flashophile (loves flashy stuff).
Not really I liked 7 6 (I've been rather busy with another game so i haven't finished it) and 4. My arguement was not that these games were less defined characteristically.
Squeenix seems to have learned quite a few lessons from FFVIII; not abusing FMV's was one of them. Both FFIX and FFX (heck, X-2, too!) had fewer FMV's than VIII. The ones they did have were also better-directed for the most part. At any rate, the sheer number of FMV's in VIII created pacing issues in the story, which had enough issues on its own.
As FF1 said I believe they just did it because they could, and I never counted the FMVs so I couldn't argue.

Even though FF1 beat me to the punch, I could call you a lot of things for trying to argue this stupid point with me. Not actually an aruement as much as a side bar None ofthat sounds arguement based. Because youcallled him anti-social not me

Yes but he never took it upon himself to become a Paladin, The Leader of some Villiage said the only way to continue is to go to the mountain and get rid of your dark soul(the gist of what he said), and he just goes blindly not one second of thought you call that embracing, I call that mindly following. No matter how bad he felt he never said I want to become a Paladin, he just did it to progress the story.

Yes, Cecil did take it upon himself to become a paladin--he had already decided to fight the evilness going on, and the elder said that you can't fight evil with evil. There was the whole redemption thing going on, as well, as Cecil wanted to make it up to that village, as he had plundered them for their crystal in the very beginning of the game.


I find that characteristic to be most realistic of the FF's the world isn't filled with people that say "OK this landed in my lap. So it will be my divine quest", and go around with a huge smile on his face. The characteristics of Squall seemed more realistic to me becuse no one is that ignorant to pain and suffering and will just brush it off happily.

Shenanagans. What FF(s) would you be referring to? For as far as I know, that juicy tidbit of nonsense doesn't apply to any of the FF's.


I disagree with you ther I believe he goes from a person that's been scarred and hardened because of it to a indivdual who is learning to love and to trust people again, by the end of the 2nd disk right before the Galbladia Garden battle when he is told to speak you see a new voice of a confident strong person rather than is normal "..." stature.

Um, no. He spoke before the Galbadia battle because he was pretty much made to. And as soon as he finishes, he goes right back to the same old jerk-off Squall. Need you be reminded of how he needs to be talked into saving Rinoa? And then when they finally do the whole lovey-dovey thing in the Ragnarok, he pushes her away. Yep, brand-new Squall!

Shenanagans. What FF(s) would you be referring to? For as far as I know, that juicy tidbit of nonsense doesn't apply to any of the FF's.
I never said that was any particular FF just that is not what he did
Um, no. He spoke before the Galbadia battle because he was pretty much made to. And as soon as he finishes, he goes right back to the same old jerk-off Squall. Need you be reminded of how he needs to be talked into saving Rinoa? And then when they finally do the whole lovey-dovey thing in the Ragnarok, he pushes her away. Yep, brand-new Squall!Yes, he was forced to talk but his words were serious non-the-less. I fail to see how he was still the same jerk-off seeing as after that Rinoa went into a comatose state, and you coud see he was now more emotional he always went to visit, he walked all the way to esthar just to get a cure for her, that seems pretty emotional to me. And the Ragnarok scene he did push her off at first but that was followed by like a three minute hug and a kiss.

I never said that was any particular FF just that is not what he did

Double shenanagans, then, for the baseless nonsense.


Yes, he was forced to talk but his words were serious non-the-less. I fail to see how he was still the same jerk-off seeing as after that Rinoa went into a comatose state, and you coud see he was now more emotional he always went to visit, he walked all the way to esthar just to get a cure for her, that seems pretty emotional to me. And the Ragnarok scene he did push her off at first but that was followed by like a three minute hug and a kiss.

It only happens when Rinoa goes vegetable on him, and then what little happens all happens at once. And you talk about realism. The extent of Squall's development is his development of a hard-on for Rinoa. The rest of the cast had even less development. You fail.

LR still beating a dead horse I see. Dear me....

When i first played as Squall i thought tht he was quite emotionless but thoughout the game u realise when he does change (mainly by the influence of rinoa). and going after her in space is pretty decent and shows tht he does care about her afer all.

Yes, and thats so original. :rolleyes:

Yes, and thats so original. :rolleyes:

sorry just expressing my opinion :-\

Nothing at all wrong with that, but opinions get challenged in here by most people.

yeah probs

Not being arsed to read nine-tenths of the drivel that's become prevalent on FFS.
Hehe, fair enough.


LR still beating a dead horse I see
Unfortunately, yes.
Don't you just love the way Lionheart Reborn persists in shitting up the thread with his moronic assertions of things that have already been proven conclusively to be wrong?

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You mispelled twelve in there, moron. :laugh:

Anyway. Your taunt is like a fart in the breeze, stinks and quick to pass. Now be a good little tyke, toddle off and do your wanking somewhere other than here. You're a failure and will always be. You may die now.

oh im terribly fucking sorry should i get you some dried penis to make it up to you?

I'm afraid of robbing you of your only one. Thanks for the offer, though.

oh contrare my good friend my penis regrows and gets larger every time so please give me an excuse to bleed over the carpet and i will be grateful!

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don't shit up threads. you've both been banned for 10 days.