So, I've already seen FFVII:Advent Children and I must say that it brought a smile to my face and a tear to my eye as I watched the whole movie earlier this morning. I have a copy of the Japanese version with English subtitles. The movie had me on the edge of my seat the whole time, I was glued to the screen wondering what will happen next, wondering if I will see the sexy man or not. I am very pleased with the story line, it covered a lot of mysteries from the game and gave me a little more information such as what happened to Shinra, what happened to Cloud and the others, what happened to Midgar, etc. Also a lot of surprises were shown that shocked me which helped keep my interest even more. I highly recommend getting this a.s.a.p if you can't wait for the U.S release like me (: this will hold me off until then, I'm still going to purchase the English version.

The animation of Advent Children was just amazing. There are no other words to describe them. The characters moved so fast and fluid and realistically while at the same time with a 'Fantasy' feel to it all. The movie really captured the world of FFVII. Each of the characters from the game were revealed slowly as the movie progressed and the fight scenes are just jaw dropping. The scene where they fight Bahamut is my favorite other than.. well I'm not going to say. The music of Advent Children is personally some of the best ever composed by Nobuo Uematsu. The music was always keeping up with the action and suspense and had a really dramatic effect.

If I had to rate the movie as a whole I would give it a 5 out of 5. I had no problems with this movie at all. I loved everything about it.

I'm downloading it right now. DAMN I can't wait!

I'm downloading it right now. DAMN I can't wait!

Now that`s what i can a fan. :rolleyes:


I`m looking forward to actualy buying it the minute it`s released in Europe though.

I would have bought it if I had patience and money.

Or how about respect for Square-Enix. When it comes out it`ll only cost the usual price of a normal dvd anyway.

Well, no money is no money.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still purchasing the English DvD when it comes out! :P This movie is awesome. I just finished watching it again.

There's already a review thread for it, but I'll repeat my thoughts on it again.

Short version: Very pretty. No substance. Badly directed. Spirits Within was a much better film.

For more detail on my views, go check the other thread.

:3 FFVII:AC > Spirits

hah. I challenge you to make a case for AC being a better movie than TSW.

I never really saw a problem with The Spirits Within actually. It was watchable, which a lot of people don't give it credit for.

FF7AC was okay. It had its moments that would be enjoyable and possibly make you smile, but the fights were repetitive, and had lost any originality they originally had towards the end of the movie. Sephiroth was killed by Omnislash(is that what it was called?) again. And Aeris is a slut.

The cloud tossing scene was pretty fucked in my opinion. People jumping up in the air then throwing cloud a couple hundred metres = pretty shit.

Its a movie that i'd have to wait a few months to be able to watch again.

since you people hate it i will hate it yeah it's bad DON'T BUY IT OR DL IT GUYS

I'm buying it solely on the basis of the eye-candy factor. Aside from that, my expectations were never very high, considering Square's habits on sequels and the quality of the storyline (FFX-2 anyone?).

I have only one question: Did they do a sequence of a Knights of the Round summoning anywhere in the movie?

Probably not, because if there had been that would've been one of the first things I would've read about it from the fanbase...

Anyway, in the meantime I'm going to be steering clear of the FFVII sub-forum so as to avoid the rampant pants-creaming and ejaculations of the rabid FFVII fans here...

Also, why is it that a vast majority of the non FF sub-forum shriners downloaded it quickly, as if almost to say...."Ha, i saw it before anyone else". ??

Like i said before many, many times. I`ll wait for the official DVD for my first viewing experience.

I'm downloading it right now. DAMN I can't wait!
Where can you download it?

I havn't decided whether to download it or buy it...

I don't have the patience to wait for it to come out on DVD but I also don't have the patience to wait for my super slow computer to download it.

Where can you download it?

Pretty much everywhere. Try the Pirate's Bay. Dunno if I'm getting the real thing though, but landing like 700mb of pr0n wouldn't hurt anyone either :-P

download?

I hated it as soon as it was announced, because I hate pointless cash-in sequels, especially when they ruin a perfect ending, which this one did. FF7's ending was left open to interpretation for a reason.

That said, it sucked regardless. I will admit that I can understand the surge of fanboy love because even I felt it at certain points; specifically, watching Tifa kick the shit out of that dork with the wrist-mounted doohicky, and the incredibly cute version of Yuffie they came up with. I didn't like how any of the other characters were portrayed, though, and I hated all the fights besides Tifa's, with their goofy "DBZ meets The Matrix" style. Fuck this, and all the other new FF7 stuff too.

jeezus guys i had to regiester to tell u guys that this was one of the best movie's i've seen its frikking awesme man..dont know whatcha all are smokin

jeezus guys i had to regiester to tell u guys that this was one of the best movie's i've seen its frikking awesme man..dont know whatcha all are smokin
What's on your list of movies you've seen? Advent Children and Howard the Duck?

A lot of people have been disappointed by AC, but I myself went into the movie with ZERO expectations. I was blown away.

Advent Children takes the place as the best movie I've seen so far this year. Everything about this movie was just brilliant for me. Finally the story of FFVII received some sort of closure, although with that brought about a tonne of new questions that were left unanswered at the movie's closing. The storyline was alright, there wasn't too much going on at once so it was a lot less complex when compared to the game (Obviously) but it was good enough to not make me question it at all. The new villans - Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo - were quite fitting. I actually took a bit of a liking towards Kadaj; he was awesome. The old characters all made a return and had a few minutes in the spotlight (Except Cait Sith, who did what he does best: comic relief), but Cloud really stole the show in the end. I was glad to see Reno get some action, as he's always been a favourite of mine.

The fight scenes were brilliantly done, and as soon as the first "big" fight scene started - with Tifa and Loz in the Church... my mouth literally hit the floor. I couldn't believe what I was seeing; it was orgasmic to say the least. The music during the scene made it even better. But that was to be topped by the victory tune playing on Loz's cell phone at the end of the battle! Everything was just how I imagined it and even more. The music was fantastic too; I can't wait for the soundtrack.

What's on your list of movies you've seen? Advent Children and Howard the Duck?

Howard the Duck was too good to be compared to Advent Children. :(


Advent Children takes the place as the best movie I've seen so far this year.

You must not see a lot of movies. There have been a lot of much better ones.


Finally the story of FFVII received some sort of closure,

No it didn't. Advent Children was nothing more than a glorified side story designed for the sole purpose of pitting Cloud against Sephiroth in CG.


although with that brought about a tonne of new questions that were left unanswered at the movie's closing.

The only new question I came away from it with was, "Who came up with that retarded concept and why are they still allowed to breathe the same air as me?"


The storyline was alright,

If being nothing but a convenient deus ex machina to bring about the aforementioned Cloud-Sephiroth duel is alright, maybe it was. Maybe.


The new villans - Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo - were quite fitting.

Fitting? Fitting for what? Really, what were they fitting for?

uh. that totally doesn't fit the definition of a deus ex machina ;-;;

and I liked it :-*

yuffie/marlene lemons plx.

Actually, the story being a sequence of unforeshadowed and unexplained events does make it a deus ex machina. I'm willing to debate this!

a deus ex machina is a character/element of the story added to resolve conflict, not create it !

It seems you're correct! I was using the term a bit backwards!

However, a bit of twisting and I can make it work by saying that the resolution they were aiming for was that Cloud/Sephiroth fight and the entire plot to that point was actually a deus ex machina that made it happen. ;)

but then you'd be WRONG.

PROVE IT

I'd bother arguing your points, Prak. But you're far too cynical. Maybe you should lighten up a bit, this thread was asking for my opinion - I gave it. Can't handle that? I don't care.

That's a shame. No one will argue with me anymore. :(

And anyway, I'M PERFECTLY ENTITLED TO GIVE MY OPINION ABOUT YOUR OPINION. So there.

That's a shame. No one will argue with me anymore. :(

And anyway, I'M PERFECTLY ENTITLED TO GIVE MY OPINION ABOUT YOUR OPINION. So there.

Go to hell prak, I`m back, I`ll be here only for a moment but go to hell.

is it available on psp or dvd ... i just wanna know how i can get it .. and i dont want too download it

Go to hell prak, I`m back, I`ll be here only for a moment but go to hell.

I missed you too, sweetums. :-*

I missed you too, sweetums. :-*

that is good to hear, today I`m god, so I`ll be very busy

I loved the movie, mainly because I loved the game. All the fight scenes blew me away and the visuals were beyond belief. I loved the use of Omnislash...

seen it
hate it

It wasn't the best movie i saw but i thought it was ok.

Great movie. Loved it. This is also one of the best movies I've seen all year. But I couldn't help to think about the last fight with Cloud and Sephiroth and how it reminded me of the last fight between Neo and Smith in Matrix Revolutions.

Great movie. Loved it. This is also one of the best movies I've seen all year. But I couldn't help to think about the last fight with Cloud and Sephiroth and how it reminded me of the last fight between Neo and Smith in Matrix Revolutions.

The whole movie is Matrix inspired. Take another look and compare.

The whole movie is Matrix inspired. Take another look and compare.

LIES!

LIES!

Why don't you actually watch it? The motorbike chases, the Sephiroth fight, even the scenes where Cloud fought the SHM, it's all Matrix! *Sigh* Nomura has lost it :-(

Why don't you actually watch it? The motorbike chases, the Sephiroth fight, even the scenes where Cloud fought the SHM, it's all Matrix! *Sigh* Nomura has lost it :-(

1. The motorbike chases was already done in FF7 (1997) before the Matrix (1999) was even around.

2. I already pointed out the Sephiroth fight which I agree with.

3. If this was the game, there would be a fight between Cloud and the SHM anyway. I'm not suprised that one had haste, one had a gunblade and one had a sword. There's nothing about that which suggests the Matrix. Now if your talking about the slow motion (that has nothing to do with bullet time) what other way would you discribe a character that moves that fast from his point of view?

1. The motorbike chases was already done in FF7 (1997) before the Matrix (1999) was even around.

Yes, you're right about that, but, you're thinking about it incorrectly. The motorbike chase was done in FFVII, but the idea was obviously borrowed from The Matrix: Reloaded.




3. If this was the game, there would be a fight between Cloud and the SHM anyway. I'm not suprised that one had haste, one had a gunblade and one had a sword. There's nothing about that which suggests the Matrix. Now if your talking about the slow motion (that has nothing to do with bullet time) what other way would you discribe a character that moves that fast from his point of view?

This point owns all your points: Flying. Everybody can fly (even if they aren't meant to) and in the battles with the SHM, everybody could fly (Matrix anyone?)

Trance Kuja is right.. one of the many things that pissed me off is the Matrixlike editing.. they treated fights like wirework ffs.. in cgi :\
and the camerawork borrowed allot from the Matrix

God! Lighten Up everyone!

As most of you will know - I'm a FF junkie and am not afraid to criticise.

Well, I had AC imported from Japan and I can honestly say - I liked it.

Sure, It aint gonna win any Oscars but it was an enjoyable 1 1/2 hours. It had action, comedy and a wee tearjerking bit so - For Goodness Sake Everyone - lighten up!

Sure, It aint gonna win any Oscars

Uh..."Best animated feature" anyone?

I still haven't seen it. I keep trying to get a friend of mine to DL it, but he's not a FF fan and was a Nintendo freak untill the X Box came on the scene (boo). Maybe i'll haf to wait a few months but regardless of all the hate posts I still think the movie will meat my expectations. Question: How the hell did they bring Sephiroth back?

atom: watch it and find out. ;)

I thought it was good fun. The plot wasn't there, really, and there was far too much fighting but it was enjoyable and, even when there were clich�s aplenty, it never actually managed to descend into "wtf this movie sucks" territory because of it. Some of the sections were a bit strenuous, really, and you can't help but think that Sephiroth and most of the rest of the FFVII gang turned up a bit suddenly or with no real purpose, but aside from that, enjoyable.

Yes, you're right about that, but, you're thinking about it incorrectly. The motorbike chase was done in FFVII, but the idea was obviously borrowed from The Matrix: Reloaded.

How was it borrowed from Matrix: Reloaded? When that movie came out that summer, we had Matrix Reloaded, Bad Boys II and Terminator 3 with freeway chases. FF7 already did that back in 1997. There's nothing original about it. It's more predictable they even added a motorbike chase because of the original game and Cloud already known to ride a Hardy Daytona.



This point owns all your points: Flying. Everybody can fly (even if they aren't meant to) and in the battles with the SHM, everybody could fly (Matrix anyone?)

Uhh... I can't remember the last time I watched a Japanese anime or martial arts flick where there was no flying. In Matrix, Neo was the ONLY one with the ability to fly and in no way did he use it to the advantage of fighting, only transportation untill the last fight with Smith where it is revealed that Smith can fly as well. Also, how else would you explane the fights in the game? You can't possably expect them to attack only the feet of a giant monster or dragon, do you?

How was it borrowed from Matrix: Reloaded? When that movie came out that summer, we had Matrix Reloaded, Bad Boys II and Terminator 3 with freeway chases. FF7 already did that back in 1997. There's nothing original about it. It's more predictable they even added a motorbike chase because of the original game and Cloud already known to ride a Hardy Daytona.

And out of all those movies, The Matrix: Reloaded was by far the biggest, and considering that most of the movie is Matrix inspired, I wouldn't be surprised if they were inspired to use it. Even if it wasn't, then that just proves the lack of creative ideas from Nomura.




Uhh... I can't remember the last time I watched a Japanese anime or martial arts flick where there was no flying. In Matrix, Neo was the ONLY one with the ability to fly and in no way did he use it to the advantage of fighting, only transportation untill the last fight with Smith where it is revealed that Smith can fly as well

Sure he did, check just about every fight scene had a bit of flying in it (Fight with Smith in the park, anyone?)


Also, how else would you explane the fights in the game?

Besides from Sephiroth, nobody could fly (I think Sephiroth was teleporting anyway). The crazy idea of making every fly in the sequal is just absurd (I'm sure it would have been more enjoyable if they weren't able to do such a thing)



You can't possably expect them to attack only the feet of a giant monster or dragon, do you?

There are other ways of reaching the head than flying. If they've done it on old fairy tales written ages ago, I'm sure they can do it now

ofuckoff

ofuckoff

I wouldn't be talking, spammer

I'm spamming? You're talking absolute crap out of your arse. God fucking forbid that there be similarities with any other movie, because then fucking of course its just copying off that idea! DUH! Obviously that car in that one movie, you know the one was SO copying off that other movie because that movie did it first. Who gives a flying fuck? They may do what they do just to help the storyline go along :O OMFG. Cloud didn't fly, it was just some magical scene where people threw up in the air, =/. Now cunt, do you think the flying in the matrix was original? From your logic, you're saying that the matrix did it first, which obviously isn't true. Get any form of super hero movie and you'll see flying, ;). SO, ofuckoff.

old fairy tales. nuff said.

I'm spamming? You're talking absolute crap out of your arse.


Why don't you check all your other posts. I think you'll be pleasently surprised how much you spam.

Anyway, I never said Nomura or any other FFVII AC creator copied any ideas from other movies (stories, legends, myths, etc). I said they were inspired. There is a huge difference.


Cloud didn't fly, it was just some magical scene where people threw up in the air, =/

That's great. Now explain any of the other parts in the movie where he was flying, anal fucker

^^I agree with you on that. There was plenty of flying.

Why don't you check all your other posts. I think you'll be pleasently surprised how much you spam.

Anyway, I never said Nomura or any other FFVII AC creator copied any ideas from other movies (stories, legends, myths, etc). I said they were inspired. There is a huge difference.



That's great. Now explain any of the other parts in the movie where he was flying, anal fucker
change copied to inspired then. You're having a big enough whinge about it it wouldn't make much difference anyway.
He wasn't flying, it was like jumping then hanging in the air. He didn't physically shoot through the air, as if he were flying.cMost of the times he was floating in the air it was while attacking something else. Like the attack he did just pushed him into the air again.

Good point. No flying.

change copied to inspired then. You're having a big enough whinge about it it wouldn't make much difference anyway.
He wasn't flying, it was like jumping then hanging in the air. He didn't physically shoot through the air, as if he were flying.cMost of the times he was floating in the air it was while attacking something else. Like the attack he did just pushed him into the air again.

You clearly haven't seen the film, have you

I didn't think Advent Children was all that bad. I thought there were alot of changes, and since Tetsuya Nomura was basically the head of the movie, it had alot more action. I, personally, think they should've extended the movie. There are lots of questions still unanswered, but then again, alot were answered from the film. I wasn't really into the 'flying' thing. It was a little cheesy and it over did it. As I said before, it wasn;t bad at all. This is just my oppinion, no need to agree.

You clearly haven't seen the film, have you
I have, and it was quite awful.

I have, and it was quite awful.

All is forgiven then =)

can't let the haters win. I've been waiting for this flick for damn near a decade. If the movie is trashy like they say it is, square headquarters would be meroded by angrily crazed fans demanding respite. I don't think that'll hapen..

Question: How the hell did they bring Sephiroth back


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advent_Children#Plot_summary

Actually for haters, I'mm going to pity them because they've just beaten Kira Yamato's Angst level. I mean that it was not expected for the movie to break grounds, but surprisingly, It was a good one. Way better than anyone. Anyone who has put any other FF movie over it seemingly just hates it. But to sometimes look at some spoilers really spoil doesn't it. But on other things, the whole thing was just derived from a trailer, a short... so you couldn't have expected too highly of it. As for the Matrix "rip-offs" I call the Matrix's Director even more of a rip-off himself, as some anime were doing his effects a long time ago. Heck, If Goku could testify against him...lol, sometimes you americans/europeans think too higly of yourselves.... And another thing, The Spirits within, is a better movie...BUT, they shouldn't drag the name FINAL FANTASY unto it. FFVII AC, Is a better sequel than any Japanese anime sequel this year, while SEED Destiny has been sinking, and Full Metal Panic:TSR being too short, FFVII has been groundbreaking here, in south east asia.

Thanx for the link Odin.



Actually for haters, I'mm going to pity them because they've just beaten Kira Yamato's Angst level. I mean that it was not expected for the movie to break grounds, but surprisingly, It was a good one. Way better than anyone. Anyone who has put any other FF movie over it seemingly just hates it. But to sometimes look at some spoilers really spoil doesn't it. But on other things, the whole thing was just derived from a trailer, a short... so you couldn't have expected too highly of it. As for the Matrix "rip-offs" I call the Matrix's Director even more of a rip-off himself, as some anime were doing his effects a long time ago. Heck, If Goku could testify against him...lol, sometimes you americans/europeans think too higly of yourselves.... And another thing, The Spirits within, is a better movie...BUT, they shouldn't drag the name FINAL FANTASY unto it. FFVII AC, Is a better sequel than any Japanese anime sequel this year, while SEED Destiny has been sinking, and Full Metal Panic:TSR being too short, FFVII has been groundbreaking here, in south east asia.


10 years ago I did expect the movie to be ground breaking and it actualy was at the time. The CG shots were just sickening. Clouds yellow mop head actualy had some dimension. What fans can't understand sometimes is that this is a fantasy world and the laws there can't be compared to reality based flicks or the real world in general. Remember magic? Hokus frickin pokus!

I have yet to see it, but i'll be shelling out the 30 bucks in November.

it should feel real
the charakters didnt have ANY laws and jumped all over the place at 200 miles/hour
and the matrix used allota influences and improved upon them in a great and stylish way instead of the copy/paste job we get with FFAC


The Spirits within, is a better movie...BUT, they shouldn't drag the name FINAL FANTASY unto it.
aint that the truth
playing with a name like that is already creating expectations you cant deliver

So, you're saying that Spirits Within is better than Advent Children???

At least a couple of us have said that. Others have implied it.

I don't think many reasonable people will argue that Advent Children had more substance than Advent Children.

I liked both of them, but enjoyed Advent Children considerably more !

I don't think many reasonable people will argue that Advent Children had more substance than Advent Children.

Preserved in case of edit!

Probably the best CGI movie I've watched so far.

I don't think many reasonable people will argue that Advent Children had more substance than Advent Children.

I liked both of them, but enjoyed Advent Children considerably more !
woops.

also i haven't seen spirits within so i can't really comment but i don't see how ac caould be worse than it from what i've heard from friends etc.

woops.

also i haven't seen spirits within so i can't really comment but i don't see how ac caould be worse than it from what i've heard from friends etc.

most people didn't like TSW because it blatantly was not final fantasy. if you can get over that, it really is a decent movie. and a movie with a great deal more substance than advent children.

that being said, I like advent children more because it's just fun ^^

i think it looks amazing

yup sure does

i cant wait for it to come out

It looks class expecially yazoo and reno

I liked it alot, I thought the ending to VII sucked arse, so i was pumped about this coming out, I hoped it would wrap the story up. The CG is great, the fights were great, I thought the music was well placed the story was OK. Ive heard so many people bash VII on this site so why the hell do you give the movie the time of day. It was made for the so called "fanboys". You can download it on Limewire, if you dont have it on you computer here!

http://www.download.com/LimeWire/3000-2166_4-10421905.html?tag=pop

I liked it alot, I thought the ending to VII sucked arse, so i was pumped about this coming out, I hoped it would wrap the story up. The CG is great, the fights were great, I thought the music was well placed the story was OK. Ive heard so many people bash VII on this site so why the hell do you give the movie the time of day. It was made for the so called "fanboys". You can download it on Limewire, if you dont have it on you computer here!

http://www.download.com/LimeWire/3000-2166_4-10421905.html?tag=pop

I liked it.

Ive been asked by a couple people what to search for on Limewire. When they search they get the movie Taxi. Search for FFV (two cap i's) Advent children. So FF VII Advent Children... The file is called

[HKG][FINAL_FANTASY_VII_ADVENT_CHILDREN][XVID][BIG5]

Its a DVD Rip AVI file, and "my friend" tells me its really good quailty. But its in Japanese so heres a link to the translation page, just read along with the movie yeah.

http://www.adventchildren.net/ff7ac/movie/reports/venice_2005_spoiler.php

I just saw it!!!!!! advent children!!!!!!!! it made me gasp!!!!!! =-O

I just saw it!!!!!! advent children!!!!!!!! it made me gasp!!!!!! =-O
in a good way or bad way?

If you ask me, in a good way.

it should feel real
the charakters didnt have ANY laws and jumped all over the place at 200 miles/hour
and the matrix used allota influences and improved upon them in a great and stylish way instead of the copy/paste job we get with FFAC


aint that the truth
playing with a name like that is already creating expectations you cant deliver


Go to http://www.dictionary.com and search for the word "fantasy" :)

Exactly. It's all fantasy. If you created it like real life, it wouldn't be as good. I like the physics in movie, even though they are impossible. The ending is even more confusing. Can anyone explaing to me what happens at the end of the credits?

What do you mean? The picture they show? It's just something Tifa wants on her desk. In regards to anyone who flames the movie because of a little physics needs to calm down. Cloud never flew, but he did have some crazy jumps goin on. The whole motorcyle scene being "inspired" by the Matrix is speculation and can't be proved. That's all I have... for now...

What do you mean? The picture they show? It's just something Tifa wants on her desk. In regards to anyone who flames the movie because of a little physics needs to calm down. Cloud never flew, but he did have some crazy jumps goin on. The whole motorcyle scene being "inspired" by the Matrix is speculation and can't be proved. That's all I have... for now...
it can be proven. go up to the producers, ask "was the bike scene inspired in any way by the matrix". np.

What do you mean? The picture they show? It's just something Tifa wants on her desk. In regards to anyone who flames the movie because of a little physics needs to calm down. Cloud never flew, but he did have some crazy jumps goin on. The whole motorcyle scene being "inspired" by the Matrix is speculation and can't be proved. That's all I have... for now...

No. Aeris! I won't elaborate further (u should know about it).

come on u guys u dont like the flying wat would u like to happen they all stay on the floor takin turns? think about it!

nd they never explained how red 13 got his children or wateva from

I watched the Japanese subbed version a couple days ago. The movie is amazing. I was gonna try and wait to see if the US DVD would get a rock solid release date anytime soon, but I just couldn't wait. The action scenes were done flawlessly and I think they continued the story from the game very well. The movie's score is damn good too. I just hope the voices used in the stateside release are just as good.

Highly unlikely as American voice actors have less emotion then Japanese voice actors. Just compare any Anime that was dubbed with the original voicework. Totally different... Probably because American adults don't give a damn.

You're an idiot.

There is no difference at all between english-speaking and japanese-speaking voice actors. There are terrible performances to be found either way, as well as truly excellent ones.

I`m looking forward in seeing and hearing it in English. Which had me thinking. Is it possible they will re-animate the mouths to english words?

You're an idiot.

There is no difference at all between english-speaking and japanese-speaking voice actors. There are terrible performances to be found either way, as well as truly excellent ones.

Opinions make me an idiot? You're an asshole, Prak

Opinions can certainly mark you as a moron, although you did not state that as an opinion. You stated it as though it were fact. And even if were stated as an opinion, it would be either a terribly retarded one or a ridiculously uninformed one.

By the way, I take it as very high praise when an idiot calls me an asshole. ;)

nd they never explained how red 13 got his children or wateva from

It's kinda hard for them to explain what he did for 498 years o_0

nd they never explained how red 13 got his children or wateva from


They did in FFVII, sort of. Bugahagen tells him to seek out his own kind, and that it`s possible they still exsist.

I really liked the film. So what it wasn't realistic, its called Final FANTASY for a reason. I reckon they got the fights spot on. The did with the film what they couldn't do with the game on the PSX. If they all stood in a line taking turns it would have been rather dull.

I`m looking forward in seeing and hearing it in English. Which had me thinking. Is it possible they will re-animate the mouths to english words?
probably not, i'd think.

possible, but it would take a hell of a lot of work!

anyway, why is aeris seen at the near end of the credits!?

oooo sorry i didnt listen to bugenhagen much i jus ignored him cuz he talked a load of crap

it was a mint film but its in japaneese and i cant stand subbs

the graphics are very good and the storyline carrys on from the game

i didnt get who the 3 people were with the silver hair but they seem to have a connection with jenova and there like seperoth and cloud

clould has a really cool bike all his swords come out on his bike ready for battle

seperoth does not have a big part in this game hes not really in it much same with barret and red .

all the charaters are all there and the church from 7 is cool


be posti more l8ters

really just use the subs, the story (what there is of it) will make mch more sense then and you won't have to worry about spoilers in this forum. =)

probably not, i'd think.

But lets hope so. I`ve yet to see it but i can imagine them not changing the mouth animations. It would look like Monkey or something.

I hated it as soon as it was announced, because I hate pointless cash-in sequels, especially when they ruin a perfect ending, which this one did. FF7's ending was left open to interpretation for a reason.

That said, it sucked regardless. I will admit that I can understand the surge of fanboy love because even I felt it at certain points; specifically, watching Tifa kick the shit out of that dork with the wrist-mounted doohicky, and the incredibly cute version of Yuffie they came up with. I didn't like how any of the other characters were portrayed, though, and I hated all the fights besides Tifa's, with their goofy "DBZ meets The Matrix" style. Fuck this, and all the other new FF7 stuff too.

I loved it but I wouldn't hate it cause I love the game with all my heart but as a person who lives for film-making after second viewing I could see some flaws none that really have me concerned but nothing that gives hatred towards it. It entertained me, it made me laugh and I felt it was good.

This point owns all your points: Flying. Everybody can fly (even if they aren't meant to) and in the battles with the SHM, everybody could fly (Matrix anyone?)

The concept of having people flying is common in chinese and japanese cultures. It is used extensive in mythology and some asian movies. Watch crouching tiger hidden dragon, you'll see what I mean.
Oh, and 2 back up my comments, I AM 1/2 CHINESE AND 1/2 JAPANESE and have lived in both countries for a bit.

it was a mint film but its in japaneese and i cant stand subbs

the graphics are very good and the storyline carrys on from the game

i didnt get who the 3 people were with the silver hair but they seem to have a connection with jenova and there like seperoth and cloud

clould has a really cool bike all his swords come out on his bike ready for battle

seperoth does not have a big part in this game hes not really in it much same with barret and red .

all the charaters are all there and the church from 7 is cool


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Watch the movie reading the subtitles, then watch it again looking at the rest of the movie, you'll get used to scanning the subs then switching back to watch the action unfolding....hmmmm

otherwise an okay summary for a quiky...I really want to attack this post but don't have the time.

seen it
hate it

I really really very very much hope that you are joking....








please tell me you are joking..... ~please!!!!








PLEASE!!!

I really really very very much hope that you are joking....
please tell me you are joking..... ~please!!!!
PLEASE!!!
lots of people don't like advent children!

On the flying topic, they look more like jumping than flying, using small touches to keep in the air. Like when Cloud and Kadaj's gang fight in the tunnel. Hmmm

The concept of having people flying is common in chinese and japanese cultures. It is used extensive in mythology and some asian movies. Watch crouching tiger hidden dragon, you'll see what I mean.
Oh, and 2 back up my comments, I AM 1/2 CHINESE AND 1/2 JAPANESE and have lived in both countries for a bit.

However, since FFVII: AC is a continuation from a game where little to no flying occurs, I find it strangely annoying that they decided to include such an idea. If people think that the characters just jump, then they should watch the final battle. There, a lot of flying magically happens.

It's better to have plenty of stuff coming off from this rather then with FFVIII - good god, I'd go hang myself if shit sequels came out of that games arse D:

It was overrated, but I liked it, because I liked the villains/bishiesness factor/Rude and Reno moments. Couldnt care much for the ending, 8/10 overall.

I seen it and i thought it was super coollol sorry for the bad ennglish well, my Favourite characters were reno and rude

Did any of you notice that anyone who hasn't finished the game, and waited for the credits to roll, then watch the "500 years later" FMV, with Red XIII and the little cubs running. Don't you think they would think that the events in Advent Children happened 498 years ago?

Perhaps and i did see the last FMV midgar looked amzing..so Advent children is 2 years after final fantasy and 498 years before the final FMV if that makes sense.

so yeah, i downloaded the japanese with subtitles version the other day (with every intenetion to purchase the english release (call this a preview)). i'm immensly impressed visually, it's undeniably amazing. as for the plot, it's quite horrendus, tbh. i'm willing to put it down to bad translation for now (hence the intention to buy the english release).

as for the flying debate... weren't they just very skillfully jumping? if they could indeed fly, there'd be no use for the airship. nor the motorbikes or any other means of transport. don't forget, we've got these guys up to lv.99 last time we saw them.

also, the identity of the silver haired guys, my guess is that they are the last remaining sephiroth clones (prolly why they call cloud 'brother' and jenova 'mother').

one thing that does puzzle me though, is that rufus is confined to a wheel chair (and suffering, quite badly, from a teminal illness), but suddenly jumps up and throws himself out of an office block window (the jenova's neck in the box scene).

also, the 'using the planet as a ship' plan by sephiroth is really screwy, and there's no way an expirienced, adult FF writer came up with that one. so, until i see a properly translated version, i will disregard the plot (it's drivel at the moment), and say 'well done graphics department'.

Did any of you notice that anyone who hasn't finished the game, and waited for the credits to roll, then watch the "500 years later" FMV, with Red XIII and the little cubs running. Don't you think they would think that the events in Advent Children happened 498 years ago?

well, if that Red XIII as a reference point is the present then the events of AC were 498 years ago, were they not? and events of FFVII happened two years prior to this, i.e, 500 years ago. which is explained in the film (opening speech by Marlene).

The movie was class like the part when they fight Bathumut Sin, The fight on the bikes and when *major spoiler* when he fights Sephiroth i didn't like the way Barret and the rest didn't get to fight as much as Cloud Tifa Reno and Rude and red XII didn't talk much

well, if that Red XIII as a reference point is the present then the events of AC were 498 years ago, were they not? and events of FFVII happened two years prior to this, i.e, 500 years ago. which is explained in the film (opening speech by Marlene).


Aye? can you explain it to me again? I can't understand it. I'm a stupid reader, I can't understand you. I'm lost.

i'm a stupid writer. we're sunk mate.

i'm a stupid writer. we're sunk mate.

LOL We're sunk mate

what i should have said was "yeah, it is 498 years before the red13 sequence, liek, wots your point?".

what i should have said was "yeah, it is 498 years before the red13 sequence, liek, wots your point?".

wots mah point?
Its that, if you had a friend that has never ever heard or seen about any Final Fantasy, and you let them watch FFVII:AC. then don't you think they'd think:
"Oh, this must have happened 498 years ago"
you know what I mean?

yes. and it did, using the red xiii scene as a present reference point.

yes. and it did, using the red xiii scene as a present reference point.

Oh, now i get what you mean...

ive seen it....its a really nice attemp to put the game up to life...great gracphics and vivid scenarios!!!

summary got to admit its only a glimpse side story of the world of FFVII..but anyways...how could FFVII be ever put into a whole movie? I loved it.

It was excellent!It was way better than I expected it!I almost cried at the end!j/k

to me wut i think of ffAC is all about forgiveness,friendship and well about children....if some of u think it's 'cause of cloud's love for aerith...i have nothin to say......it's obvious cloud was only askin for forgiveness from aerith for failin to stop sephiroth from killin her....it was kinda cool to see aerith and zach

to me wut i think of ffAC is all about forgiveness,friendship and well about children....if some of u think it's 'cause of cloud's love for aerith...i have nothin to say......it's obvious cloud was only askin for forgiveness from aerith for failin to stop sephiroth from killin her....it was kinda cool to see aerith and zach....

I'll just copy what I wrote in the other thread and put it here: Actually I watched it but I wasn't impressed- what it was really lacking in was a good storyline. Sure, the graphics were great, sure, the battle scenes were cool, but the story was like 4 on 10. It's like the reverse of the game- the game had shitty graphics but an awesome story, and the film had amazing graphics but a fairly lackluster story. I was expecting more of the loose ends from the game to be tied up- there were so many things in the game that were hard to understand that should have been cleared up.

Saw it yesterday, it was shit.

Saw it yesterday, it was shit.
Care to give reasons or are you just going to invite the flames?

man..FF7:AC is great!! the graphics were cool and all! the fighiting scenes were gd...esp...where tifa and loz was fighting in the church/temple also the fight at the end!! it was pure class!!
i would give it 10/10!!

Advent Children was effing AWESOME! I was very impressed with this movie, but there were a few things that i didn't like, like clouds hair :P and that ti was too FREKAPOI short! It got me back to playing ff7,8,9, and 10 all over again from the beginning,my how much i forgot, ahh gotta love nostalgia

Ah, what to say about Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. As a hardcore FF fan (FFVII being my first), I felt a special connection to the movie, probably because I got every little reference and joke. The CGI is amazing, the fight coreography is extrememly well done (as it should be -- over half the movie consisted of fight scenes), and the story, though a bit rushed, is believeable and doesn't feel arbitrary.

As a VG music fanatic, I thought Uematsu did an exceptional job on the soundtrack. The hard rock music suits the movie's Matrix-y feel, but the calmer pieces provide just the right amount of contrast. Oh, and the use of the songs from the Final Fantasy VII Piano Collections was a great idea.
Worst musical moment: Calling (the old Japanese pop song after the credits). A movie should end when the credits do.
Best musical moment: THe victory fanfare on Loz's cell phone. Priceless.

It's not a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination. The biggest problem I noticed is that Square couldn't figure out what to do with Tifa. In game, she would have been able to punch Bahamut, but when the fight is on realistic proportions...
Also, the movie has little value for people who haven't played FFVII. If I ever hear the phrase "who's this 'mother' they keep talking about" again, I'm going to snap.

Overall, though, if you liked FFVII and can't get enough, I give FFVIIAC my highest marks

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Ecootoo

Did you know that if you put 1046444 into base 16 it comes out to be FF7AC?

Final Fantasy VII Was A Superb Film And Final Fantasy VII Was A Super Good Game

Hmmm....the graphics and effects were pretty good, except it didn't seem like they used sub-surface scattering techniques on the skin, there wasn't any visual signs of battle and injuries on the characters, or any blood spray when Cloud was shot by Yazoo near the end. Also, it didn't seem like they used many physics for the particle effects or water. The rain running down glass looks very awkward and unrealistic. I take classes in CGI and Animation so I am somewhat sensitive to these details. I did like how Cloud's muscles flexed. The fight scenes were for the most part awesome, except for the aforementioned lack of visual damage. The story was there, but it needed some backbone. Where the hell did Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz come from? How did they get so obessed with Jenova? Why didn't Aerith just make it rain before and cure the Geostigma, preventing Sephiroth from ever being resurrected in the first place? Are Yazoo and Loz also versions of Sephiroth's "Body of thoughts"? Is Denzel the time-space continuum error child of Tifa and Cloud? Why is Cloud being sucha a bitch? I thought he had straightened himself out at the end of the game. It had potential, but it just leaves waaay too much open. Maybe if Cloud had himself striaghtened out, the story would have been a lot smoother. No, if they had introduced where the hell the trio had come from in the introduction instead of only briefly replaying important scenes from the game (Like three of the Spehiroth Clones from the game, or maybe even remnants of Sephiroth ejected from the lifestream, who when reunited with Jenova would together reform Sephiroth), the movie would have run more smoothly. For all the time they had to work on the friggin' thing, you would think that they'd have ironed out the story a bit more.
The music is pretty good, though. My favorites are "The Promised Land" (the opening choral music), and the Remix of "One-Winged Angel". "Water" is also an interesting piece. Not many original songs, thought. Mostly re-orchestrated versions of classic songs.
All in all, even though it has a lot of issues, I think its worth watching through at least once for any Final Fantasy fan. Hey, it's much better than "The Spirits Within".

Whoops, sorry. Double posted. Move along, nothing to see here.

The fight scenes were really well done except when Cloud was involved. The figth scene with him and that one guy, the effeminate one, was to short and there was not really anything to the movie. I had high hopes for it but realize it was ok. Im gonna give it a grade of B-.

Actually, I thought the best fight sequences were whenever Cloud was dual-wielding. The fluidity of his movements really lent itself to the action.

Hey, it's much better than "The Spirits Within".

Fanboy lies!

liar, liar, pants on fire,

WTF. I read someone comparing FF7AC to Matrix. Old martial arts movie from Japan > Matrix, and they were BEFORE Matrix! Give it up! Nomura said the fight scenes were inspired by manga and anime! Japan made that stuff up anyway, retards.

The movie? Fucking loved it.

Hi. I'm a Japan-worshipping fuckhead!

To the ones that say OMG cloud is flying in the movie!!!!, well he did fly as well in the game, remember.

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff7/ff7_fmvshots-d3-approaching-sephiroth.php

He wern't flying.
He was going down some wormhole thing to meet Sephiroth.
Also he wasn't actually conscious when he went through the wormhole and fought Sephiroth

Yes cloud was acually a clone he went to the depth of his mind to kill the last remaining sephiroth. He wasnt flying.

i thought it was ok but some of it was poor film making.

Hey Final Fantasy VII is my favorite game of all time and i just bought the movie yesterday and to tell the truth i was a little disappointed. The things I disliked were the realism was horrible spinning bike flying people it was something out of Dragonball Z but hey thats anime. Also I would have liked to see the other characters in more action seens instead of just watching Cloud do all the fighting. Overall I thought it was pretty good since it wasnt really made by any real writters.

I had a few problems, but nothing major. Like the fact that Red XIII, the coolest character in the entire game only got ONE FRICKING LINE!!!!!

And Marlene and Denzel just annoyed me.

But overall, i was impressed. I like the way that Square don't take themselves, or the final fantasy franchise, too seriously. You know, with the victory theme as a ringtone?

And the reworkings of the Jenova and Sephiroth themes had me in a euphoric state!

The story was good, and they did keep true to the original natures of the characters in the game, which was hugely important, even though it was released, like, nine years ago. The game was close to a lot of people's hearts and it provided a huge turning point for Square and the entire final fantasy franchise when it was released.

I was happy with the film overall.

(yes, i am one of those 'fanboys'. despite the fact i'm female. :-P )

I thought it was pretty cool. Takes a while to figure out what the plot is, and it's a pretty good first attempt at making a movie for the director.

The truth about Aerith and Harry Potter (http://dumbledor.ytmnd.com/)

This movie rox massively indeed it does, and so did The spirits within :D

Hey Final Fantasy VII is my favorite game of all time and i just bought the movie yesterday and to tell the truth i was a little disappointed. The things I disliked were the realism was horrible spinning bike flying people it was something out of Dragonball Z but hey thats anime. Also I would have liked to see the other characters in more action seens instead of just watching Cloud do all the fighting. Overall I thought it was pretty good since it wasnt really made by any real writters.

hey NKWP, what are your thoughts about this fanboy?




btw: what the fuck is a writter?

AC was an awesome film........but it had too fast scenes.....-_-

But tHe graphics were awesome......

it's ok to say the film was "amazing" and i'm not saying you can't say that however...with "spirit's within" it had a real good story line to it were as "advent children" seemed to run off in place's.Also the other problem is you pretty much had to have played the game before seeing the movie to understand which i guess is fair enough but if i had to choose one i would go with "spirit's within".

Well I think that Spirits within was an awful movie.....
I have played the ff VII...and I think that AC still rocks...^.^

AC Was amazing. My fave scene ws the Cloud VS Sephiroth scene!

wow

dudes, come on, dont diss AC. it was perfect. animation, storyline. ace. and obviously vince was the main dude in that one XD hey has anyone seen the last order?!!?

Oh look. Another worthless fanboy moron.

I bet if you were Catholic you'd be offering up prayers to St. Jude when you post in one of these threads, Prak.

You know, cos St. Jude is the Catholic patron saint of lost causes.

What cause? I'm simply fishing for more funny hate mail.

That's it, because the hate mail isn't funny.

It's just sad.

You don't see the humor in watching other people make total asses of themselves and reinforcing your knowledge that you are superior to moat of humanity in every regard? Go figure.

That's it, because the hate mail isn't funny.

It's just sad.

So is your "Limp bizkit" What's your point?

dudes, come on, dont diss AC. it was perfect. animation, storyline. ace. and obviously vince was the main dude in that one XD hey has anyone seen the last order?!!?

From the results of processing your post, you're gay.

From the results of processing your post, you're gay.

Now somehow you rather remind me of someone else with that sentence :p

atom: watch it and find out. ;)


I did and liked it (little late with op). Things are never what you expect but they brought some nice closure to much of the story and pulled off a lot without relying on magic. It was more beefy with sword & gun play. Some people out there are dissapointed but I think they did the game some justice by keeping true to form. I found that the best way to enjoy it was with English subtitles, as the Japanese voice actors were excelent. I even watched the credits role as Cloud jetted through the country side for his delivery services sake. I think that was actualy a real actor on that bike.

I didn't understand how Cloud could get blasted through the chest by an FF widow maker and still be found baptizing kids in the end, but hey.



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Last Order was great. I saw it at a convention.
I liked Advent Children. I agree the other characters could have said and done more, rather than having Cloud hog the spotlight... again!
More gore would have gone a long way too.
Spirits Within was a great movie. Alot better than AC in terms of film making and such. But similar how it had the lifestream.

I was so excited the first time I got it....

The first time through, it was a rollercoaster ride
The second time, it was breathtakingly beautiful
The third time, um...I was showing it to my parents, and I was kind of nervous about whether they would like it or not.... They were amazed, though =]
The fourth time, I just watched again right before my math midterm...to see how I'd do >> I did well, too! =)
The fifth time, I was listening to the music
The sixth time and on, feel like a ride through nostalgia...

Mmhm, I've watched it a lot. ....>>
...=]

I loved the music and the graphics...But the story didn't impress me and I really hoped that it would fill some "openings" that FF7 had......It did not...That disappointed me a lot...But the scene between Cloud and Sephiroth was awesome... :)

I do think that the behavior of the characters are plain crap in FVII: Advent Children. For example, Yuffie shows off when popping up for the first time. Stupid realy.

So I will say that "The Spirits Within" was more intriguing and the behavior of the characters were sufficiently sensible and reasonably realistic for the least.

Aside from the amazing graphics and action scenes, Final Fantasy: Advent Children had a lot of disappointing factors. One of them being the fact that the spotlight was all on Cloud for the majority of the movie. I mean, what's the point of all the characters showing up? Just to make cheap cameos? They barely fought against the Bahamut (or whatever it was), and then just like that, Cloud takes front seat again? I wanted to see another fight between Tifa and one of those three guys (forgot their names) and Vincent have a memorable fight scene. The Turks had more fight scenes and screen time than any of the Final Fantasy 7 protagonists. The other reason why the movie was disappointing was due to the fact that there was barely any story. It was just about this "illness" and there was barely any exploration done besides just fighting around and somewhere inside of Midgar(?). There should've been more. Anyway, the graphics and action scenes were what kept me entertained, but it was after the movie was finished that I started rethinking about the bad parts.

I absolutelty loved the movie. I thought it was well made, great graphics, amazing fight scenes, great music... well it was great, I would give it 9/10!

The sequences were heavily action-oriented, over-glorified and completely unrealistic. The translation was horrible. The story was short, pointless and didn't qualify as a fair sequel.

To be honest, the entire thing gave me the impression that Square-Enix wanted to rely on producing eye-candy alone, with no meaningful plot or purpose.

I absolutelty loved the movie. I thought it was well made, great graphics, amazing fight scenes, great music... well it was great, I would give it 9/10!

Oh dear....

Oh dear....
What you mean oh dear -.- i know lots of people that enjoyed and liked the film! Just because you don't like it you don't have to be shoked if other people like it

I'm pretty sure he wasn't commenting on the fact that you enjoyed it. He was commenting on the fact that you don't know the difference between a well-made movie and a crappily-made one that you liked anyway.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't commenting on the fact that you enjoyed it. He was commenting on the fact that you don't know the difference between a well-made movie and a crappily-made one that you liked anyway.
actually I do... I happend to like the movie and just because i don't agree with 90 % of the ppl on these forums i get... sly comments. I didnt say it was the best movie in the world, i said that it was great and i ENJOYED it! If you enjoy a movie then it is good.

Bullshit. Personal enjoyment of a movie does not directly reflect its quality. If you honestly believe that it does, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I would probably enjoy the movie if the storyline was made more serious and less retarded.

Bullshit. Personal enjoyment of a movie does not directly reflect its quality. If you honestly believe that it does, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Watch the swearing mr sassy pants! I don't care what you say! I like the movie and I will continue to like it no matter what crap you through at me!

If you can't deal with the swearing, this is not a good forum to frequent.

Also, I never said you shouldn't like it. I'm just pointing out that you clearly have no idea what makes a good movie. Personally, I love a lot of really terrible movies, but I'd never even consider saying that they're good just because I like them.

If you can't deal with the swearing, this is not a good forum to frequent.

Also, I never said you shouldn't like it. I'm just pointing out that you clearly have no idea what makes a good movie. Personally, I love a lot of really terrible movies, but I'd never even consider saying that they're good just because I like them.

Fine whatever, i don't care about the swearing, i swear too (even thought i'm trying not too. Whenever you're new in a forum you gotta remain polite for the first month or two). Anyway I suppose you're right, a movie isn't good just because you like it but what i ment by all of my messages is that I think its a good movie because i enjoyed it. That doesn't nescesarily make it good. I think its good thats all :) now can we stop this pointless debate :P

But of course. I just call everyone on that error when they make it.

I LOVED IT!!!! :)

Do not revive dead threads that's 2 months old.

first time i saw advent children i hadn�t played FF7 and it made no sense, although i was impressed by the animation, and the music struck me too - those two things still impress me, especially the music, which i love and which i think is played well in the right places.

when i started playing the game i enjoyed it a lot and got into it - so i rewatched AC a short while ago, and the dialogue is quite poor i must say, childish, vague and poorly scripted at times, plus i don�t really like loz kadaj and yazoo as characters (yazoo is cool but as he's just a part of sephiroth he doesn�t really count as a seperate character)

i thought the storyline wasn�t that good because it was very baffling and there were plot holes like aeris' healing water (could have used it whenever and averted half the events of the film, although I have a theory about that that involves her connection to cloud and her friends, perhaps the fact that she acts through them and not on her own, seeing as she is dead an all) rufus' and tseng's survival (how, they died in FF7, unless tseng somehow crawled away from the temple of the ancients before it was destroyed, rufus is less easy to explain) sephiroth's continued existence in the form of three 'bodies of thought' (what are they? i think sephiroth is a great villain, complex and powerful but he really should have learnt from his first fight with cloud. I do have a shinentai theory about the kadaj gang though) etc

it was awesome to see the entire party together again, but most of them were quite out of character, exceptionally gay and overly close (yuffie was too nice and caring, and showed off too much, unlike her thieving, hidden agenda mischievous persona in the game, cid wasn�t arrogant enough and overly caring too, vincent wasn�t detached enough, although he did retain his useful knack for knowing everything, cloud was TOO broody and moody considering the fact that he�s supposed to have beaten his demons in the game � ok he�s cut up about aeris but he�s too serious in general; and i don�t understand the need for the continued existence of cait sith - why cant reeve just hook up with them? or is cait actually more then just a robot? only then would he be more then a cheap gimmick that didn�t need to exist beyond the game IMHO, beyond his capacity as a mouthpiece for reeve to the gang, which would negate the need for awful humour and presence in battle which was unnecessary in the game as well, damn it)

points that have been raised by others here on ffshrine that are valid critiques of the film are the fight scenes and breaks of logic. bikes that spin around but keep going forward even though the wheels are spinning (and the bike itself is) in the opposite direction to the way the bike carries on travelling, bikes spinning around in circles after being hit but not tumbling over and stopping, cloud fighting yazoo and loz in the tunnel (kadaj could have turned around while they were in the tunnel, or just stopped and absorbed the remains of jenova and become sephiroth there instead) the bahamut fight (terrible dialogue from everyone and incomprehensible boosting in midair for the sole reason of affirming some intense bond that�s supposed to have built up between these characters that if they�de all stayed in character would not be the case anyway) not a scratch appearing on the character's bodies during fights even though they all dish out some harsh punishment to each other (level of animation achieved at the time ive heard, that�s the next step), cloud getting shot in the face but only suffering broken shades, and cloud getting to the forbidden city and back again (as well as kadaj's gang and all the geostigma children) in quick time (perhaps this is simply because they chose to omit characters taking a boat and travelling across entire continents to keep the story flowing and action packed?)

two more points - aeris� role in the film and her healing water trick to cure the geostigma (why didn�t she use it earlier to avert half the events of the film as well as the return of sephiroth) and finally the whereabouts and conditions of sephiroth's body. was that his body or at least his spirit in the form of three 'bodies of thought�, composed of lifestream, jenova and sephiroth's will?? It appears so from the evidence of the film. so what of sephiroth's actual body? and why did he need jenova cells to become sephiroth again? I do have theories to explain these last two points about sephiroth and aeris, but perhaps if the film had not chosen to be vague and drag things completely nonsensically and out of the blue out of the water then we wouldnt have these problems and it would be a better and more satisfying experience, and i say this as a fanboy

I do also think that as well as trying to logically determine the roles of sephiroth and aeris in the film, their presence in the film is also as much to do with the fact that they are many FF7 fans� favourite characters (they are certainly 2 of my favourite characters for many reasons) and they were an integral part of the storyline because of their status amongst the fans. As well as this of course, they are integral parts of cloud�s life and therefore easy to incorporate into a story that baffled and caused debate and needed thought to work out leaving ambiguity and unanswered questions in any case more so then the game that spawned all of this. An indication that like the game this film�s conception to release was rushed? Or at least the storyline was rushed? seems that way

I�ve also become aware of the existence of an Advent Children Complete blue ray thing that�s coming out which will have reworked scenes, new scenes and also include a rehash of the score plus maybe a few new tunes. It will also include Last Order and include a number of other features � including teasers for other FF7 compilation titles. this sounds good considering the confusing plot, as perhaps they will clarify and rectify things somewhat. But I am also quite disappointed at the hilariously blatant milking of FF7 fans underway here. I got my copy of AC given to me on a copied disc, and im glad � square enix is not being very clever about this exploitation of FF7, a game with a large fanbase due to as I see it a great storyline, which is why they expand on it. they dont need to follow trends and methodically and blatantly milk loyal fans that will go and buy their new additions and accept them either way because even as a fan it pisses me off and alienates me - especially the exclusivity of some games to mobile phone as well. irritating

Anyway out of 10
- score - 9 - i thought the score was excellent, the music largely brilliant.
- animation - 8 - pretty high end stuff, realistic and smart eye candy - without finest points of realism in people
- dialogue - 3 - terrible and obscure dialogue, cringe-inducing humour and i dont think the translation was very good but i dont know for sure - i mean the subtitles and the english voice overs were different in places
- storyline - 5 - interesting but confusing and a little forced in places, makes outlandish and drawn out theory necessary and stretches the ability to apply logic
- action - 6 - cool in places - cloud v sephiroth was a satisfying fight (if annoying in the way that Seph lost a third time, in almost identical means to the first time) but ridiculous on the bikes and with bahamut (oh and if you swing someone into church benches like loz did with tifa, you'll have broken bones, garaunteed. that was stupid too)

conclusion - an FF7 fanboy's film with cool bits and good elements but with fatal flaws and let downs that one hopes will be addressed by the new version coming out next year. which in turn is the clearest indication yet of Square's callous approach to milking a story, which ironically enough started out with a mercenary being hired to take down a reactor to battle against a company that callously exploited people. funny that. mean score = 6 out of 10 minus 2 for square being cunts - 4/10

Advent Children is a good movie. The best cgi movie what I ever seen.

Watch some more then.

Advent Children is a good movie. The best cgi movie what I ever seen.

More proof that only idiots think it's good.

Willfinalfantasy7fan,
Good lord, thats a lot of text to go through (sorry to say i don't have the time to go through it all at the moment)
I agree with the overall summary of your post!

FFVII AC Looked great, had nice music, but dragged terribly in the story department. I wish square hadn't let this atrocity be spawned from perturbed minds...
I do not want people to take old things and change them around. You can't rewrite history to make it fit your wants.

It didn't even have nice music. The music was overbearing and often defined the pacing of the scenes, which is a huge no-no.

Willfinalfantasy7fan,
Good lord, thats a lot of text to go through (sorry to say i don't have the time to go through it all at the moment)
I agree with the overall summary of your post!

FFVII AC Looked great, had nice music, but dragged terribly in the story department. I wish square hadn't let this atrocity be spawned from perturbed minds...
I do not want people to take old things and change them around. You can't rewrite history to make it fit your wants.

the film (and indeed the compilation) is able to exist because of the amount of unanswered questions from the game. due to its popularity, they capitalised on the open-ended nature of the plot, and the largely unexplained plot points. i would have enjoyed the film a lot more if, for example, something had been clearly established as to what was going on in midgar, the rest of the planet, what happened to certain characters, why holy didnt appear to work, who kadaj and his brothers were exactly and how they came to be etc.

i didnt like the vagueness of the ending (although it was nice to see zack's ghost with aeris), or kadaj calling aeris mother before he disappeared into the lifestream (an unnescessarily confusing moment that i dont get) or yuffie's apparent ties with the group, cait sith's 'humour' and pointless comments, an unexplained re-entrance by the entire party (that was cool to see having played with these characters through 60+ hours in the game but nevertheless all too convenient and unexplained), the lack of consistency in the effects of weaponry and the abilities of characters (yazoo's gun, cloud being boosted in midair etc), sephiroth's arrogant idiocy at the end of the battle in stabbing cloud in the chest, and much much more (its all in my review anyway, including my opinion that square's just using the same vague, unexplained story telling technique to keep fans buying more compilation material to further the series).

another thing mentioned in an article i read was tifa and cloud's apparent friendliness with reno, rude and rufus. good point - they were mortal enemies in the game, the shinra trying to execute them MORE THEN ONCE for example; sure reno and rude are cool but they are also professional assassins. the article suggested that this is a reflection of the companies descent into corporate whoredom, this being a revealing component of the entire FF7 compilation; i dont know if it wasnt like 95 % of all other western companies in any industry in being like that back when they made the game anyway (every industry in which i have an interest, music, film, football, games, all bar none are now run by companies which are painfully obvious in intent and typically corporate) but the game itself certainly suggested a swipe at such an attitude whereas there is no sign of this in the film, reflected by the way reno and rude are suddenly friends with the party.

and prak, i agree that the music fitted the scenes in the film almost perfectly, but i felt it complemented what was going on and added atmosphere. anyway, there were some particularly metal and electronic songs that sounded shit but i enjoyed the familiar songs from the game - opening theme to red's future scene, haunting choir music during the FF7 recap at the beginning (my favourite scene in the film) tifa and loz fight music (and loz's ringtone fanfare) the 'oh shit somethings wrong' world map music that plays when kadaj and rufus are on the scaffolding discussing sephiroth's impending return, jenova tune when kadaj and cloud fight, one winged angel, tifa's theme piano version, aeris' theme in piano.

I think you missed my point. I was saying that the music failed on two important levels. First, it was often a dominating factor, drawing at least as much attention to itself as the scene it was placed in, rather than performing the ideal role of background music, which is to subtly enhance the effect of the visual imagery and character performances. Second, it's very clear that certain scenes were designed specifically to be paced to a piece of music that had already been written, which wrecks the flow of those scenes and makes the entire scenario feel forced. The Sephiroth battle in particular is atrociously paced because of that, but several others suffer from the same thing.

I think you missed my point. I was saying that the music failed on two important levels. First, it was often a dominating factor, drawing at least as much attention to itself as the scene it was placed in, rather than performing the ideal role of background music, which is to subtly enhance the effect of the visual imagery and character performances. Second, it's very clear that certain scenes were designed specifically to be paced to a piece of music that had already been written, which wrecks the flow of those scenes and makes the entire scenario feel forced. The Sephiroth battle in particular is atrociously paced because of that, but several others suffer from the same thing.

well, the sephiroth battle and even the dialogue before, during and after it seems to have been tailored to fit the music exactly so i see your point; perhaps i was enjoying it too much to see it as a detrimental thing.

1 point i must make in response to that though is that a lot of the music was placed in the film especially - no, purely for nostalgia's sake. and since one of the best things about the game for me was the music, it came across as a good thing.

More proof that only idiots think it's good.

I m not an idiot.
If you dont like the movie, make better!

if indeed the fight scenes were indeed wrapped around the music being played, then i can't find a fault in that. The have a rhythm and action intertwine is often very cool.
If everytime a sword hits a target and a drum beats at the same moment, that synchronization is very entertaining.

I obtained the music (um, legally.... yeah) from that movie, and after listening to the revamped One Winged Angel and the original (as well as the orcastrated version) i must say, i enjoyed the old one better. it didn't have as many weird noises and random switches.




reno and rude are suddenly friends with the party.



that bothered me... everyone was friends all of a sudden...
I also can't understand why (i can't remember his name, the guy in the wheel chair, was president of Shinra) he was alive. He died from the Weapon attack, clearly.
It is almost never a good idea to bring back dead people. it ruins things and makes you believe everything is immortal in the story, which screws with known reality values.

ac was great. especially the cloud v sephiroth. but it kinda sad its short? marlene = annoying. the english ver. of the movie suckd. i mean wth is dilly dally shilly shally. i like jap ver better.

I m not an idiot.
If you dont like the movie, make better!

Fuck off. You are an idiot. Here are the reasons why:

1. Ever heard of an apostrophe?
2. I'm Prak, fuckwit.
3. You don't have to make movies to appreciate quality. By your logic, you're not qualified to say it's good any more than I am to say it's bad. In other words, you're a hypocrite in addition to a retard.

I think you missed my point. I was saying that the music failed on two important levels. First, it was often a dominating factor, drawing at least as much attention to itself as the scene it was placed in, rather than performing the ideal role of background music, which is to subtly enhance the effect of the visual imagery and character performances. Second, it's very clear that certain scenes were designed specifically to be paced to a piece of music that had already been written, which wrecks the flow of those scenes and makes the entire scenario feel forced. The Sephiroth battle in particular is atrociously paced because of that, but several others suffer from the same thing.

Agreed, which is why I like Sakimoto's works in FFXII. Instead of distracting the player, it helps enhance the scene.

Though, even though many of the songs in Advent Children, you've gotta admit, there's quite a few that sound pretty decent. They should of used the piano collections pieces in the actual game (even if they were arranger after the game was released).

Prak, I know what apostrophes are! That means I'm not an idiot, right?

Also even though you don't have to make movies to appreciate quality, I believe that if you had the experience, you can really appreciate other's works more. For example ever since I tried to make my own flash movie (which was going really good, but I got tired of using the mouse as it was really slow progress), I came to appreciate other people's works more as I can see what kind of effects they have used to create different scenes and atmospheres, and how creative they can be.

marlene = annoying

Thank goodness that I'm not the only one to think that.

Advent Children --- reasonably pleasing animation to look at, very so-so overall plot, too many generally boring battle sequences, music --- mostly so-so, except for the closing credits vocal piece, which I plan to watch the closing credits again sometime just to listen to that song, unless I can find it to download or buy somewhere. There. My opinion on Advent Children.

Advent Children.
Well, basically, it was made to coast off the fat trimmings of FF7.
Visuals
Great visuals from Squenix. These guys really do know how to make good on CG technology. Smoke, metal, grass, etc. really does look like what it is supposed to and hair is done moderately well. Human skin isn't really presented very well, but that's negligible since it seems to be a stylistic choice. However, art design was pretty bland. I got pretty sick of seeing Gackloud, and that's usually a Nomura flaw right there. Tifa did look like less of a cheap whore, which might be an improvement. Design of new characters was pretty weak, drawing on basic archetypes, with weapons and weapon design being "HEYGUYSIMSOEXTREEEEEEEEEME". Usually looking more like a clusterfuck to gear it to the 'omg swerds' crowd, I guess. However, as it stands, it depends too much on cheap knockoffs and unimaginitive weapon design.
6/10
4/4 for CG. 2/6 for Art Design.

Aesthetics are more important than just raw graphics. If something looks like crap, putting polish on it won't stop it from looking like shiny crap.
Audio
Sounds were well done, and well executed. Quality of recording was good, and their application felt appropriate. Nothing particularly annoying sounding from the sound department. Music was par for the course, but it felt like listening to a Saturday Morning Cartoon more than a movie, at that point they should've just thrown in some Great Mazinger. Sephiroth's little jingle didn't help matters much, since generally it's rather pretentious to begin with.

Voices on both tracks felt pretty lame, though.
The English voices suffered from bad localization, and just a feeling of boredom all throughout. Oh, and "DILLY DALLY SHILLY SHALLY!!!" or whatever that was? Ugh. What were they thinking? Barret probably felt the most appropriate out of the English track. Should've brought in Mr. T, but I'm not docking points for that. Japanese track felt very forced, though. Too many Shatnerisms and over-acting on their parts made it feel like a kids cartoon instead of a movie. I mean, anyone can go "UUUUWOOOO!!" or make those "gckh" sounds. It was just poorly executed in general.
6/10.
3/3 Sound Effects, 2/3 Music, 1/4 Voices.
Relied too much on fanboy nostalgia and rose-tinted glasses in music and voices, with too many unforgivably bored or Shatner-like voiceovers from the English and Japanese tracks (respectively).
Plot And Cohesiveness
Ugh. Wow. Scratch the last time I used 'clusterfuck' to describe the weapons, because it describes this mess MUCH more accurately. It tried to resolve some plot holes and what-ifs after the game, but really fell short. It just seemed like a bad attempt to give people more Griffit-err....Sephiroth. Yeah. FF7 wasn't exactly my childhood, so I guess I don't feel all the nostalgia punching my balls when I watched him twirl around for 20 minutes or so and then dying again. Speaking of which, battle sequences were just too drawn out and boring. Look at Tommorow's Joe to see how to direct a good fight. It doesn't take that long to make an impressive fight that feels epic.

Dialogue was more of a secondary plot-device than anything meaningful ("hay guys uh im bad" ok hes bad now "and istole ur stuff" ok he stole my stuffs "and i brought people back from the dead and stuff nevermind the specifics or where i got stuff" ok w/e). You also don't need obnoxious speeches. And cameos only added to the "What the hell is this movie doing?" factor that FF:AC had going for it. If you're going to put the characters back in the movie, have them do something and really be characters. Sticking people and names into stories where they don't belong is just sloppy writing. This was obviously "Gackt : The Near-Future Movie Action Sword of the Fist of the Cloud". Besides fanboy appeal, it just really slops this into the junkpile in the writing department. I mean, from this movie, these people should feel as pathetic and useless as they seem to act. They're about as effective as the token henchmen badguys from something like Power Rangers, only they look like people you recognize. What also weakened the story is the pivotal character, Cloud. He pretty much emos out for most of the movie about his dead girl. Maybe it was to let him identify with his audience (Cheapshot). And then SEPHIROTH and they fight and he dies. His death could've been emotional but it was just a shrug. Like when you watch thousands of people die in burning colonies in Gundam Wing or something. It's done so poorly you hardly bat an eyelash. Oh, well, at least he can look forward to seeing Aeris/Aerith/Adella in the ghost water. Err, Lifestream. But seriously, it's just a gigantic hand pumping the throbbing cocks of its fanbase. But the thing is, you realize it can't even really give a good handjob when you're older than 12. (Obligatory lolckocks)
2/10
1/5 Storyline, 0/2 Dramatic Elements (Nothing really felt moving. It was like a rollercoaster. A slow one with some lumps in the seats.),1/3 Cohesiveness and Completeness.

FINAL TOTAL:
4/10

BTW:


Fuck off...

3. You don't have to make movies to appreciate quality. By your logic, you're not qualified to say it's good any more than I am to say it's bad. In other words, you're a hypocrite in addition to a retard.
Quoted for supreme truth.

There were only 2 scenes I really liked in AC.

#1 Tifa vs Loz
She kicked his butt in straight hand to hand combat. If not for his souped-up brass knuckles taser gun thing, she would have won round 2 as well.

#2 Reno(and Rude)
They were great as comic relief. LOVED when Reno (accidentally) knocked Rude down with his baton. And Rude stands up with his hand over his nose, and his other hand balled into a fist to hit him until they see Bahamut and then when they go to run away, Reno almost knocks him down again, but this time Rude is ready for it. And I didn't notice until I saw the Reno fanvid on YouTube to the song Town Called Hypocrisy, that when Kadaj lands on the ground with the Jenova box, Reno knocks Rude down again by...a butt bump?, and Rude glares at him. I wonder if Rude asked for a partner change after this movie...I'd be more of a Reno fangirl now if he'd lose the ponytail. What was with his new climbing ability though? And why does he sit like that in the helicopter so the joystick is so close to his crotch? I've seen subtler imagery in Playboy...not really, I don't look at Playboy mags...Reno half answers one of my complaints in the Final Fantasy series, that the guys are either too androgynous or too macho. I say half answers cause like I said, he needs to lose the ponytail, and looking at screencaps on him in it, in one he's got what looks like some manboob cleavage.

An honorable mention for what I liked about it goes to Aerith at the ending for wanting to know why everyone is calling her Mother, and saying Cloud is too big to adopt.

As for what bothered me about AC(besides the aforementioned Reno issues), it also goes for CC and DoC...it's always about 'Mother' or 'Brother' for the bad guys...F*** THE "OTHERS"!!! And I really wasn't too fond of Cloud Strife in AC(but then I never really cared for him in the game either), or reliving the whole Sephiroth thing.

Overall, the good parts for me are enough for me to shell out $10 to buy the DVD after finding the movie on YouTube. Eager for that because the movie on YouTube, it does what sometimes happens on YouTube, the sound ends up being a little 'off'. Wanna hear it with the proper sound.