There's a FFIX thread much like this, that I've posted to a few times. I have made no secret of my opinion that FFVI and IX are the best two in the series. The question's been posed about FFIX already, so I pose it about VI. What makes it so darn good? I'll post my opinions after a few folks have weighed in.

Dont think it's that awesome....

Then your opinion is invalidated. If you do not appreciate FFVI as the pinnacle of the series, you should stick to posting about brainless games like FFVII.

Don't be like that don, it's true that 6 is very good and i believe it's partly that the story is better than all the others preceeding it and partly the fact that square spent more time pushing the snes' limits that make it play better.

remember 4 was started on the nes (1991) and 5 was only a year (1992) later, square spent more time on 6 (1994)

FF7 is not as bad as you say it is, you sound like a fool.

I liked FFVI although i think i would have liked it more if i played it around it`s original realease. Although the topic still is very vague. If this topic was in the FFVII forum it would be closed ASAP.

Edgar ruled though :p

FF7 is not as bad as you say it is, you sound like a fool.

Your credibility is shattered as well. You have obviously not bothered to find out how many expansive posts I have made in support of my opinion that FFVII was a poor game. In other words, you sound like a fool for saying I do.

remember 4 was started on the nes (1991) and 5 was only a year (1992) later, square spent more time on 6 (1994)


And FFVII in 1997. Therefore it should be better than six judging by what you are saying. But it is not.FFVI is better that FFVII.

Character variety, for one thing. Everybody can have at least one character that they love in the game (and probably more), and that character will draw them into the game and make it feel more personal.

Also, in my opinion, they put the more exciting elements of the game at the front of it, during the World of Balance. That way, if people only get halfway through the game before quitting, they still played the best parts.

Edit: I thought I read IV for a second there.:laugh:

But you don't get Bum Rush until the WoR! LoL. I think the characters are really what sets FFVI apart. The story is very character-driven, and the characters are really good. I also think the script is exceptional. I love the humor, and the 'serious' parts aren't corny or lame, and the story actually makes sense. All the characters (with Umaro maybe being exception, so far as I know) have a story and develop, at least in some degree, though the game does focus on a few in particular. The ATB System was all but perfected in VI, and the "special" abilities are the most creative I've seen in quite a long while (you actually needed a little dexterity to pull some of Sabin's Blitzes off), and the equipment/magic system was simple and totally effective. The great story was capped with a great ending (You don't see Umaro running in Narshe with two little Umaro's in tow...), and you won't find better scenes than the "Mr. Thou" scene on the Veldt, and the Opera House sequence with Celes.

FFVI was great because it has a great storyline, a better battle system, and brilliant Gameplay. The only thing you can fault is the graphics, but that doesnt make a game bad.

The game itself is just great. I like the storyline and battle system as well. You can find a character that best suits to act as your main character.

Your credibility is shattered as well. You have obviously not bothered to find out how many expansive posts I have made in support of my opinion that FFVII was a poor game. In other words, you sound like a fool for saying I do.

OK, no name-calling. Don, you called FFVII brainless, not poor, and it may even be that it is brainless, but I think you're being a little mean to people who like FFVII. I'm not saying you're wrong about FFVII, but try not to sound quite so haughty.

Anyway, what really made FFVI a good game for me was that I actually got excited whenever I learned a new Blitz, or I got a new Esper. I wasn't just involved in the story; I was involved in the gameplay.

OK, no name-calling. Don, you called FFVII brainless, not poor,

Perhaps not in this thread.


and it may even be that it is brainless, but I think you're being a little mean to people who like FFVII.

Not really. A lot of the people I'm mean to happen to be fans of FFVII, but that's just because of the fanbase the game tends to attract. I'm actually very fond of a few people who like the game though.


I'm not saying you're wrong about FFVII, but try not to sound quite so haughty.

The guy said I sounded like a fool for putting down FFVII. What kind of response would you expect?

I wouldn't say FFVII was poor, over-rated and over-hyped certainly and that stupid fucking ending didn't help but poor, nah not quite.FFVI was one of the best though, just simply for Kefka, a homicidial maniac, what more could you want?

I wouldn't say FFVII was poor, over-rated and over-hyped certainly and that stupid fucking ending didn't help but poor, nah not quite.FFVI was one of the best though, just simply for Kefka, a homicidial maniac, what more could you want?

If you'd ask FFVII fans, probably fancy-schmancy FMV's and big swords (overcompensation, anyone?) :-p

EDIT: I WOULD call FFVII poor, as well as over-rated, over-hyped, as well as rather brainless.

In my opinion FFVI is the best Final fantasy in the series. It's plot line was one of the first to break away from the boring dredge we were submitted to with FFI,II, and IV . I also found the characters to be much more three dimensional compared to other video game characters. The new battle system and game play made the game even more addicting. Also, Edgar rocks. =)

Reasons why FF6 is awesome:

No Cloud
No Sephiroth
No Squall
NO SELPHIE
No hideous Tidus laugh
No hideous Yuna laugh
The BEST cast in the series
Playable moogle
Playable moogle
DID YOU FREAKING HEAR ME!??
A PLAYABLE GODDAMNED MOOGLE!!!!!!!!!!
Playable berserker sasquatch/yeti/bigfoot
Blitzes
Blue Magic
Opera House
Storyline integrated avatars (But in a good way, not like FF10)
KEFKA
KEFKA'S LAUGH
KEFKA'S LAUGH
The BEST music in the series
Best collection of espers in the series
KEFKA'S LAUGH
Best graphics in the series, because high-quality 16-bit images are better than extremely low-quality 3D images (FF7, I'm looking at YOU) any day of the week.
Ultima spell
Daryl's tomb
KEFKA'S LAUGH
More dramatic than the rest of the series (i.e. The opera part, the attempted suicide part, Celes and Terra's abuse by the Empire, EVERY OTHER GODDAMNED CHARACTER'S DARK PAST, etc.)
DID I MENTION KEFKA'S LAUGH????

Yeah, the characters were definitely more three dimensional in VI, but FFV was getting pretty close, I actually cared for alot of the characters in IV through VI.

Reasons why FF6 is awesome:

No Cloud
No Sephiroth
No Squall
NO SELPHIE
No hideous Tidus laugh
No hideous Yuna laugh
The BEST cast in the series
Playable moogle
Playable moogle
DID YOU FREAKING HEAR ME!??
A PLAYABLE GODDAMNED MOOGLE!!!!!!!!!!
Playable berserker sasquatch/yeti/bigfoot
Blitzes
Blue Magic
Opera House
Storyline integrated avatars (But in a good way, not like FF10)
KEFKA
KEFKA'S LAUGH
KEFKA'S LAUGH
The BEST music in the series
Best collection of espers in the series
KEFKA'S LAUGH
Best graphics in the series, because high-quality 16-bit images are better than extremely low-quality 3D images (FF7, I'm looking at YOU) any day of the week.
Ultima spell
Daryl's tomb
KEFKA'S LAUGH
More dramatic than the rest of the series (i.e. The opera part, the attempted suicide part, Celes and Terra's abuse by the Empire, EVERY OTHER GODDAMNED CHARACTER'S DARK PAST, etc.)
DID I MENTION KEFKA'S LAUGH????


I think you forgot to mention Kefka's laugh.

Ok
KEFKA'S LAUGH (http://kefkatorture.ytmnd.com/)

Really? Ok:
KEFKA'S LAUGH (http://members.fortunecity.com/sabin_blitz/music.html)

...And the playable Moogle.

You have obviously not bothered to find out how many expansive posts I have made in support of my opinion that FFVII was a poor game. In other words, you sound like a fool for saying I do.

Ok I apologise for calling you a fool.
You expect me to have read all your posts first? It's not likely is it?
I'm not wrong for simply disagreeing with you. Saying peoples opinions are wrong is misunderstanding the concept of an opinion.


And FFVII in 1997. Therefore it should be better than six judging by what you are saying. But it is not.FFVI is better that FFVII.

FF7 was developed on a new console (psx) which square had less experience with. They only released one game before FF7. FF6 came about after working on the snes for around 4 years and quite a few games.

Saying peoples opinions are wrong is misunderstanding the concept of an opinion.

Not all all. Case in point: If you were of the opinion that cheese wheels would make good shoes, would that not be absolutely wrong?

Good point.
Although if you thought that cheese wheels made good shoes, you would probably be mad enough to still think that after trying it out.

:laugh:

There's no need to be rude.

Rude? I thought what you said was funny...

However, if that was not meant to be even slightly funny, I could always laugh at you instead. =/

i thought the little blue dude was flicking me off lol

Not all all. Case in point: If you were of the opinion that cheese wheels would make good shoes, would that not be absolutely wrong?

To me, the only reason why that would be absolutely wrong is because I would eat them before I ever put them on.

EDIT: Don, stop being so good at debating. It's not fair.

Personally i loved the story line, the choice of characters, for it's time the graphics were very impressive to. But 1 thing takes the cake, zozo, nothing will ever top that town lol, the music, setup, hidden things, ppl in it, loved it lol.

well FF6 is the only nes or snes FF game ive got around to finishing.

I agree, Skyark. Zozo rocks. Zozo and South Figaro (when you're playing Locke, after the party seperates) are my faves.

I connected with the story.

I personally(sp?) didn't like FF7 that much(see my sig), but I enjoyed some of the music. But I absolutly LOVED 6!!! While I was'nt verry good with some of the characters(Strago, Gau, Umaru, and Cyan) some of the characters I found where exelently done(Sabin, Edgar, Mog, and Loke). Kefka was beyond evil, and is my favorite villan, as well, one might misjudge Shadow as someone who's just there because he's cool (well he is, but that isn't the point) he has a long, detailed backstory. In short: Everything was good about it, exept in the SNES version, when the translator(Ted Woolsy) screwed up every 2nd line(Examples: "Son of a submariner!" "On the hum, lets go!" and just about anything said by Ultros) They didn't make the game bad, they DID make it harder to understand at some points.

I personally(sp?) didn't like FF7 that much(see my sig), but I enjoyed some of the music. But I absolutly LOVED 6!!! While I was'nt verry good with some of the characters(Strago, Gau, Umaru, and Cyan) some of the characters I found where exelently done(Sabin, Edgar, Mog, and Loke). Kefka was beyond evil, and is my favorite villan, as well, one might misjudge Shadow as someone who's just there because he's cool (well he is, but that isn't the point) he has a long, detailed backstory. In short: Everything was good about it, exept in the SNES version, when the translator(Ted Woolsy) screwed up every 2nd line(Examples: "Son of a submariner!" "On the hum, lets go!" and just about anything said by Ultros) They didn't make the game bad, they DID make it harder to understand at some points.

"Son of a submariner" is why kefka is great. If those were mistakes, they were the best mistakes ever made by human hands. :D

I agree. I will say "son of a submariner" to my dying day. It's the quirkiness that make the game so funny (at the funny parts). For example, Son of a Submariner, Mr. Thou (my favorite), Sabin's meal on the Phantom Train, Dressing Gau up, Stealing the merchant's clothes...all those scenes/moments were just too funny for me.

I like FF6, but not as much as I like FF9...

or FF10...

or FF#...

or FF8...

hmmm...

Talk of FF7 has been banned from this thread, you son of a submariner. XD

You editing fag! >:

Actualy, "Son of a submariner" may have just been censorship. Back then Nintendo censored everything. But my favorite line was "Run! Run! Or you'll be well done!" Nothing can compare to that, it was sheer perfection.

If he had just said "Son of a Bitch" he wouldn't have been known as the greatest FF villan of all time. Censorship rules. ^_^

At least Throne put FF9 first..otherwise, a beatdown would ensue. At any rate, one should be handed down, for putting 8 and 10 ahead of 6. A travesty.

I like Sephiroth a lot, but I do have to say that in a power battle, Kefka would wallop him. Kefka is by far the best FF main villain. The collection of heroes in FFVI can't be beat. Neither can the music (Nobuo Uematsu rocks).

Kefka had the great one-liners; he didn't really need to "monologue" like other villains, even if he did. My favorite is, "You sound like chapters from a self-help booklet!" Unfortunately, he lacks Sephiroth's "machoism". That was probably his undoing in the fangirl area. It doesn't matter, though; I still think he would beat Sephiroth's behind.

I think his laugh rocks too.

Kefka obviously didn't want fangirls, being a blatant fag. But that didn't stop me from making a Kefka shrine in my room. :D

As for one-liners, I agree. But the best one-liner in videogame history was from FF1: "LIGHT WARRIORS? You pathetic fools! No one touches my princess! I, Garland, will knock you all down!" :laugh:

Will knock you all down? LOL

I really don't know if Kefka had a sexual preference either way. I think he was just in love with himself.

Ooh, that's a good theory.
I still like to think of him as a metrosexual though sexpot

A power-hungry lunatic would be a better description.

METROSEXUAL >:[
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LOL! Okay, let's drop that subject.

Am I the only person that thinks they ripped Sephiroth's entrance in the final battle (when he descends with wings) from Kefka's entrance in the final battle (when he also descends with wings)?

Almost everything about Sephiroth was ripped off from Kefka. Aside from the girly looks and mother complex, that is.

I gave up on FFVI when i accidentily hopped off my chocobo at the near beginning of the game.
I wasn't enjoying the start much anyway.

I liked the fact that you could switch characters. In all of the other games, you got characters, and were stuck with them. If you got anyone new, they replaced someone else. Also, the story was a lot mopre interesting than past ones. It had TONs of plot twist, and Kefka was uber-cool. The new FF's just don't compare to FF6.

Yeah, it's easier to gain experience and learn spells. Everyone can have a spell without having to equip materia or GFs or such.

Almost everything about Sephiroth was ripped off from Kefka. Aside from the girly looks and mother complex, that is.

I honestly don't see that. I think the characters are very different.

And all FF antagonist look girly...

'Cept X-Death, 'cause he rocks

The characters themselves are different, but there are unmistakeable simliarities.

1) Both want to become gods.
2) Both end up being the real villain after killing the evil dictator.
3) They both laugh maniacally, even though you can't hear Sephiroth laugh (more's the pity).
4) They descend in winged forms for the final battle. (already been discussed)
And the list goes on. I'm sure Prak could provide more details.

One thing that distinguishes Kefka from Sephiroth as a better villain is that Sephiroth "monologues" like your typical villain, while Kefka's intentions are plain and easy to see and he reveals his character in one-liners. His actions speak louder than Sephiroth's words.

I personaly never saw Kefka or played FF: 6, but I don't think it will ever top what I think of 7 and 8. Perhaps I fall in line with the legions of FF: 7 fans, it was a good story and perhaps one of the greatest games ever made. The thing about Sephiroth was that I always wanted him to be a playable character and there were 5 billion fan fics out there each with their own versions of how to accomplish it. That false info kept fans trying to do so for years. Even though I don't know Kefka, I do know chicks dug Sephiroths sword..

it is all cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! from 1 and beyond!!!!!! (i can predict the future!!!!) thee hee

Almost everything about Sephiroth was ripped off from Kefka. Aside from the girly looks and mother complex, that is.
Almost everything about Kefka was ripped off from previous villains. See how baseless your claim is... And sorry to break it to you but Kefka looks more like a faggot than any other FF villain.


One thing that distinguishes Kefka from Sephiroth as a better villain is that Sephiroth "monologues" like your typical villain, while Kefka's intentions are plain and easy to see and he reveals his character in one-liners. His actions speak louder than Sephiroth's words.
Which is why Kefka is a shallow paper-thin villain with hardly any depth at all (like all the FF villains before him). Anyone can make a villain with more depth than Kefka.

With that said, I thought FFVI was a great game but not as good as FFVII or FFVIII, because FFVI's plot was too straightforward and single-layered but its story was still told very well and its characters had a good deal of depth to them, despite the main villain having the depth of a flat piece of paper.

Being the fanboy that I am I regard all FF games as godly and perfect. However, VI does seem to be more perfect than the rest of them.

And sorry to break it to you but Kefka looks more like a faggot than any other FF villain.


Actually, I think Kuja would win hands down in that category...

But then that's why he rocks...

Oh damn! I almost forgot about Kuja... I take back what I said about Kefka being the biggest faggot... Kuja easily wipes the floor with him in the faggot category. ;p

What I like in FFVI is the beginning of the World of Ruin. The way Kefka almost completely destroys the world, seperating the party, making the world a big pile of shit. And that's cool.

lawl. People complain about Sephiroth being a shit villain? WOAH - go play X-2. ^____^ Tell me if that moron Shuyin was better then Sephiroth ;o

FFVI is addictive, it has a great variety of characters, maybe too many, it also teaches you how to fight properly instead of relying on summons and stuff - hehehe, I had fun teaching everyone the Cure magic, came in handy for me ;D

Kekfa, eh...I can love him or hate him - he's annoying, but he isn't a crap villain, he's committed some terrible crimes, Sephiroth has, but on a smaller scale - maybe people think that's why he isn't such a crap villain?

He may look cliche, but in the end, all villains want the same thing - to take over the world, or destroy it etc.

I liked very much the fact that in FF& in battle every character had their own skills and characteristiques, instead of being all almost identical as they were in FF7 or FF8.
Then another good point was that you could almost always choose all your team and were not obliged to always have one protagonist in it, although having a protagonist like Cloud Strife is great, as well.

I don't think Sephiroth is a terrible villain (even though I'm one of those who staunchly believes that he was not the REAL villain of FFVII; that honor goes to Jenova). He's cool, but I still think that Kefka is the BETTER villain. Sephiroth has a certain strange grace to him, but Kefka is perverted (not sexually, but sadistically). The "Dancing Mad" sequence says it all; it gave me nightmares when I was little. Sephiroth revelled in his own glory and dream of power, but Kefka revelled in the continuing sufferings of others, in their pain and anguish. You feel a little sorry for Sephiroth, but there is no sympathy for Kefka. The man is a thing to be annihilated and that is all that can be said for it.

In a power battle, Kefka would whoop Sephiroth up and down the block. Sad to say it, but it's true. However, in defense of the guy, Sephiroth would whoop any other Final Fantasy villain. But Kefka is THE best FF villain.