In a week or so, the biggest gaming event of the year is occuring - E3. And at that event, the world will finally see together the three consoles that will be living in our living rooms for the next 6 - 7 years.

This battle is shaping up to be interesting - Microsoft is using Sony's strategy from the previous generations by getting the leg-up on the competition. The Xbox 360 will be unveiled on MTV next week before the showing at E3, and will be released around November THIS YEAR. That's right - only 6 months until we have the first Next Gen console. So far the only games announced for it have been sequels and Madden games, but most importantly, Japanese studios are announcing their support for the console. With RPG giants like Hironobu Sakaguchi's new company, and even Square-Enix considering the console, it could be a big one.

As for hardware specs, nothing has been confirmed; sources point to a concave TiVo looking machine with a platinum white finish and no console ports. It will be released in two models - one with a hard-drive (and backwards compatibility) and one without.

The PlayStation 3 is not being released until late 2006, but we are expected to see more information at E3. Although there have not been any definate game or hardware details, games developers have stated that Sony's CELL processing technology is capable of far out-performing the other next-generation consoles.

The Nintendo Revolution is the biggest enigma; rumours abound, from gyroscopic controllers to full 3D games using stereoscopic imaging. However, Nintendo has kept their mouths shut - it's unsure whether or not the Revolution will be even displayed at E3. Nintendo has announced the release will follow "Sony's schedule", which means we're looking at 2006 for the Revolution as well.

So i'm asking now (and i'll ask again after the event), which console are you most excited about? Based on the early information, I believe that Sony's CELL is the most exciting technology, and one that will spread easily into home PCs as well. So, i'm looking forward to the PlayStation 3 the most - however, you can pretty much guarentee i'll be getting an Xbox 360 on launch day. The Revolution i'm not so sure about - Nintendo will have to pull out something pretty impressive to get my hard earned dollars.

The last few times Nintendo has been hyped to release something "new, revolutionary and exciting!" they, to me, have really failed to deliver on all fronts. I will say, however, that Nintendo does have to balls and the innovative minds to actually do something surprising, but lately they've pretty much just been all hype. The main things I'm looking for is:

-internet capability without having to buy add ons
-wireless controllers standard, this is going to almost be a must, if one does'nt have it they will be at a major disadvantage in my eyes
-games, mainly... I really like the xbox only games, but sony has always beaten everyone else by sheer volume of games... just so much to choose from... Nintendo games have never really been my bag


If they make a backwards compatible xbox I might just go with that... In Sony's case out computing all the others really doesn't mean shit... Xbox and things like intel processors just go to show that. Nintendo pretty much has a huge. set fanbase.. nothing for them to worry about.. they make the most money or portables anyway.

The big battle will be between xbox and ps3 i think... unless Nintendo really can finally pull off something truely revolutionary...

Well, since Gamecube was second in sales to PS2, (the last time I checked), I'm not terribly worried about Nintendo getting destroyed with the release of the Next-Generation consoles. The big positive that Microsoft had was an excellent online service, plus the Halo and KOTOR series, and the best graphics didn't hurt either. Sony is just known for making quality products for a long time, and that has shown as PS2 has been at the top of the charts for quite some time now.

I have heard basically nothing about the Revolution. Yeah Nintendo has been lately trying to make their creations more revolutionary, but I don't see any of them being that. Their next-generation console, however, is looking to be the most revolutionary system they have ever made, and it's certainly looking to be a lot different than the leading competitors. I've heard such rumors from wireless controllers, gyroscopic controllers, etc. But I am glad to hear that the Revolution is apparently backwards compatible with GCN games, since I love the games on the 'Cube the most, mainly for their exclusiveness. I think something else Nintendo should do is make the Revolution backwards compatible with N64 games as well. Just think about it:

There are two ports in the back; you can put your N64 game in there, and it won't stick out of the back. Once you are done, just push a button, and the game slided right out (just like the Game Boy Player).

Right beside that port, another port will open up at the push of a button (much like Xbox and PS2. But this port will open up from the top, not come out horizontally. Push the button back, and the port will close, going at an upwards angle. I think that would be pretty great, and then the Revolution games port will be located on the top of the system.

One thing that I definately want to see with Revolution, is to see it online. I've heard that it's going to be Wi-Fi capable right out of the box, but who knows? Nintendo would get a lot more support if they decided to go online, and would greatly boosts their sales.


I haven't read much about the PS3, other than the fact that it is supposed to easily be capable of the greatest graphics ever seen on any game or console. That doesn't give me too big of a thrill ride, because graphics aren't that important. Just take the PS2 for example; worst graphics of the three, but #1 for a long time. Then look at Xbox; best graphics, #3 for a long time. Am I saying that whichever system comes out with the best graphics is doomed, and the one with the worst will reign surpreme? Of course not. But it does make you wonder a little bit. But yeah, I really haven't heard enough about PS3 other than CELL. Now, as to what I would like to see with the system itself:

Four controller ports. I think it's pretty ridiculous that you have to spend $20-$30 more just to have a couple friends play with you. Sony, just put four on there from the start and make everyone happier.

A bigger controller. Yeah the current design is pretty simple and stuff, but I just found it to be way too small, along with the buttons. I think they are too close together. Maybe they should do something with the R1/R2, and L1/L2 buttons. I don't see the point in having four. Just have a R and L button.

Backwards compatibility. Yes I'm a huge fan of it, I admit it. But I believe that the more games you are capable of playing on a system, the higher probability you have to be more successful in the business.

An improved online service. Nothing compares to Xbox Live, but PS2 online wasn't terrible. I can't explain what Sony should do to make it better, but they should do something to make it a more enjoyable and easy service.


With Xbox 360, I've heard a little more about it than PS3. I saw a picture or two of what the new controller and system is supposed to look like. Controller looks exactly like the Xbox one, but the picture of the system wasn't too clear to me. Rumors I've heard is that it's going to be backwards compatible with Xbox games, which is great news (I want to play Halo and KOTOR for years to come). Yeah it might not seem like much to just plug it into the Xbox, but I really don't feel like stockpiling an Xbox and Xbox 360 around my room; same goes for GCN/Revolution, and PS2/PS3. I've also read that Xbox 360 is vastly improving the online service; something along the lines of every game is going to be Xbox Live compatible right out of the case, your player profile will stay on the Xbox 360 (so you don't have to configure your controller settings, color of your character, etc.), when you purchase a new game. It may not seem like a huge adjustment, but anything that saves me time is greatly appreciated.

I'd like to see better games for Xbox 360, well, more good games I should say. There aren't too many that I would consider great for the Xbox, and getting more exclusive titles would go a long way.

A memory card that can actually hold some memory. I mean seriously, the one I've got holds about 500 blocks or so. I tried to save Chaos Theory on it, but I couldn't because that game takes up almost 2,000! I want to be able to take these games and their data over to friend's houses, without having to lug the system over itself.

A smaller system. Xbox is way too big for me, but I dealt with it. It's just like a huge black box sitting on my floor, and I've more than once stubbed my toe on it. Seriously, tone it down a little bit guys.

But yeah, that's all the input I have for now.

lol, Ps3 leads 6-nil.
..... i kinda feel really inadiquate adding to this thread, looking at the huge posts above and i've got nothing left to say....
Lots of good info there, ill be sure to read it all properly when i get afew spare hours.
Oh i know what to say! I choose PS3 because i was very dissapointed with Xbox. Nintendo's cool but im a RPG freak and they r kinda missing out on that stuff and Sony to me just owns the zone.

What?
E3 isn't in a week, you mad australian.

^^ yeah what he said, it starts on may 16-19 I beleive.

What?
E3 isn't in a week, you mad australian.

Whatever. I obviously meant a few weeks.

OBVIOUSLY.

The ninty conference is on the 18th of may! Bring on the revolution wooo hooo! (Well, and the ps3 and x-box2 of course!) I'm saving up for all three (but i'm soooo broke....oh, the pain....)

The ninty conference is on the 18th of may! Bring on the revolution wooo hooo! (Well, and the ps3 and x-box2 of course!) I'm saving up for all three (but i'm soooo broke....oh, the pain....)

Um...that 'ninty conference' you speak of is E3. And it's not just Nintendo, they just happen to have a keynote speech on that day.

And I wouldn't get your hopes up - every time Nintendo has been asked about Revolution's showing at E3, they've sidestepped the question.

What are you talking about?! The keynote speech (lead by Iwata) was a while ago, y'know? -where they mentioned the new look controllers, revolution's backwards compatability and the DS's online plans.

What are you talking about?! The keynote speech (lead by Iwata) was a while ago, y'know? -where they mentioned the new look controllers, revolution's backwards compatability and the DS's online plans.

At the Tokyo Game Show. You are aware that Nintendo executives make a keynote speech at E3 as well, right? Nintendo fanboys really makes Nintendo look stupid.

The Tokyo game show was months ago, i was talking about the GDC keynote speach a little while ago.

The Tokyo game show was months ago, i was talking about the GDC keynote speach a little while ago.

Ok, so I got my game shows mixed up - and I noticed you didn't actually dispute my inital point, that ALL THREE CONSOLES are going to be shown at E3. Well, actually, no-one even knows if the Revolution is going to be there.

On a side note, I dare you to make a thread outlining EXACTLY why Nintendo is so fantastic, and why you think it is better than the other game development companies; and actually argue the point. I think it would be fantastic.

I am looking forward to the playstation 3 and the nintendo revolution.

Mainly the nintendo as i have most of the consoles and have loved them.

But I never really liked the xbox so I am not really fussed about the revolution coming out

Nintendo fanboys really makes Nintendo look stupid.
:(

Im not a nintendo fan boy. Most of the consoles were bought for me I just bought my gc.

Yes I am looking forward to the revelation I will also be buying the ps3 pretty much straight away.

I think its safe to say that i wont comment on anything COS YOU EXPLAINATION WAS TOO LONG * looks at raidenex and smokey *!!!

I think its safe to say that i wont comment on anything COS YOU EXPLAINATION WAS TOO LONG * looks at raidenex and smokey *!!!
Then how about you never post again if your ADD prohibits you from reading anything longer than 2 lines.

Also: Xbox360.


http://www.filerushnews.com/

Wow that looks pretty cool. Better than the current xbox. I thought they may have made it a bit smaller though.

That looks really cool actually. But it still ain't gonna make me buy it. PS3 all the way. Xbox are good but no where near as good as playstation. The new nintendo looks cool as well. They are all great.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4242447.stm
This got me stoked about PS3.

We should start banning fanboys. "xbox are good but nowhere near as good as playstation" - what horsecrap.

PS3 all the way. Xbox are good but no where near as good as playstation.
Why not?

I'll tell y'all what I think after I've tried all three, so don't hold yer breath. The Cell technology does sound more interesting than the 360 and revolution from what I've heard though.

It looks like horrendous shit. Almost as bad as the original Xbox! You guys should see the prototype controller pics, they're hilarious. They look like Mad Catz knockoffs of the original Xbox controllers. I'm almost positive this is just prototype crap.

Also, I hate the video game industry, and wish they would stop releasing new systems, but I'm sure that I will end up wanting these things anyway when they come out. =/

That's ugly, and don't you think that x-box 360 sounds shite? i hope that's just a prototype, because that was going to be my most wanted console.

The XBOX360 in all of it's glory... (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6124293/index.html)

WOW!!!!!!!!! You don't have to listen to J.Allard waffling on and on if you don't want to! But just look at those shots!

(Sorry about the double-post)

What makes this even funnier is your instant liking to the system, merely because of the graphics.

I have to admit, after seeing everything I have today, Sony will have their work cut out for them. Check out xbox360.ign.com - Microsoft seem to have thought of everything that gamers want and need.

I am quite amused, that after so long, I mean the poll has been open for a while, not anyone at ALL is looking foward to the new XboX. As opposed to the PS3, I liked to believe that Microsoft did a good attempt at joining the console market with theirs.

I'm actually looking forward to it the most.

Seeing as there was only one screenshot of the xbox360, we have without a doubt proven that ricky is a fucking moron.

I'm waiting to see what the PS3 looks like.

No matter what, I'll always support Sony and it's Playstations. No matter what.

Even though it's a little pointless bringing this up since I'll know for sure within the next few days, I keep hearing rumors that Nintendo isn't actually going to show us what the Revolution is going to look like. Seems like they are only going to show a video of it or something, and I think that would be a big mistake. They said for a long time that they were going to reveal it at E3, and if they don't show it, it may end up making some of it's fans lose interest and faith in the company.

Even though it's a little pointless bringing this up since I'll know for sure within the next few days, I keep hearing rumors that Nintendo isn't actually going to show us what the Revolution is going to look like. Seems like they are only going to show a video of it or something, and I think that would be a big mistake. They said for a long time that they were going to reveal it at E3, and if they don't show it, it may end up making some of it's fans lose interest and faith in the company.

They've announced the size, though - apparently it's roughly the same size and shape as three DVDs stacked on top of each other. They've also announced inbuilt Wireless networking (like the DS) and wireless controllers.

The only thing that disappoints me about the X360 so far is the cool features you have to pay extra for - like the optional wireless network adapter, and the optional DVD awesome remote.

I won't decid on which system is the best untill I see the list of games for each system. Mainly, I'll wait for which system BoF comes out on. It's not the system itself that draws me, it's the list of titles for the system.

It's not the system itself that draws me, it's the list of titles for the system.

Same here. If I had to limit myself to one system, i'd wait and see who BioWare supported, and just go with them. Luckily, being on a slightly higher income means I can just buy any system that has a game on it I like.

I have to admit though, this is the first generation of consoles which is selling me on features. Back during the days of the PS2 hype, its biggest 'feature' was the ability to play movie DVDs; as someone who didn't have a DVD player at the time, this was a big selling point for me.

When you look at X360s features - especially the ability to stream media from your PC through Media Centre, which is really exciting for me - it's more of an entertainment unit than just a games console. And i'm really, really hoping that Sony is going to come up with something just as impressive, so i'm salivating for two new pieces of machinery that will live in my entertainment room next year. And of course, I'll buy the Revolution - knowing Nintendo, they'll score a couple of exclusives that i'll want. And also knowing Nintendo, the price will be right.

I am thankful for one thing - wireless controllers as standard. At the moment, my entertainment room is pretty neat, except from the clutter of 3 Xbox controller cords, 2 PS2 controller cords, and 1 GameCube controller cord. The actual controllers are all lined up pretty neatly, but it's impossible to get a cord to look good in a room. My GameCube's WaveBird, on the other hand, is sitting quite nicely next to the GameCube itself...i'm looking forward to being able to do that with all of my controllers.

I'll be buying them all because i have more money than sense. Probably all in american versions too, because they'll all invariably be released while I'm over there; WOWIE ZOWIE.

Well might as well go ahead and post pics for you guys before you ask for them.

<A HREF="http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614736p1.html">PS3</A>. Here you can clearly see the final look of the new system and the controller. To be honest, I don't like the look of the new controller at all. The place where you are going to rest your hands just seems way too long and slender. It almost looks like the GCN controller, just that the sides come down longer and the two 'humps' in the middle don't stick down as far. The PS3 itself looks a little more sleek, but still resembles the PS2 design quite a bit. And of course, the inside is far more sexy than the outside.

<A HREF="http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/608/608394p1.html">Xbox 360</A>. Here is quite a bit of info about the system and a pic or two of the system and the controller. Once again, these Next-Gen consoles and their controllers are resembing their predecessors a lot. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm also not going apes and bananas over it. One thing that I love with both systems is the wireless controllers. I got tired of always winding them up when I got finished playing, so I would always leave them on the floor, thus getting tangled and stuff. Something else that I really think is great with the Xbox 360 controller is the fact that you can turn on/off the system itself by pushing the big 'X' button in the middle of the controller. Yeah may not seem like much, but if you are 30 feet away and laying down on the couch playing the system, and are too fat and lazy to get up, just use your controller to turn it off. And what's the deal with making all this new hardware silver?

Nintendo's press conference is tomorrow, but I really don't know if they are going to reveal the Revolution and/or it's controller. Let's only hope.

Ps3 would still the lights of E3! I bet Xbox360 won't stand a chance against it. Why? Well because of the Cell Processors, and the Blu-Ray Disc! And Nintendo? Give it up already, give up the hardware business will ya? Collaborate with Microsoft so you guys could defeat Sony. You don't want end up like Sega.

Ps3 would still the lights of E3! I bet Xbox360 won't stand a chance against it. Why? Well because of the Cell Processors, and the Blu-Ray Disc! And Nintendo? Give it up already, give up the hardware business will ya? Collaborate with Microsoft so you guys could defeat Sony. You don't want end up like Sega.

Ignorant child.

After seeing the PS3, i'm impressed - I agree with Smokey's concerns though. The controllers proportions look uncomfortable, not to mention that the analogue sticks are still centred, as opposed to having one comfortably under the thumb like the Xbox and the X360.

I don't mind the design, but i'm not as impressed with it as I was with the PS2 back in the day - I did get a bit of a chuckle out of the fact they used the same font for the PlayStation 3 logo as they did for the Spider-Man movie titles.

Graphics wise, the PS3 outstrips the X360. 2 TFLOPS vs 1 TFLOPS - there's just no competition with twice the processing power. And the XDR RAM running at 3.2 GHz is insane.

IGN's comparison of the PS3 and the X360 (http://gear.ign.com/articles/614/614837p1.html)

Not to mention that the Final Fantasy VII tech demo is a wet dream come true - it's disappointing we won't see the full game, but the idea of a Final Fantasy XIII with those graphics is exciting.

Still, the Xbox 360 has a good showing of support, and when it comes to games, there is still no noticeable difference in graphics - my guess is that XNA, the 360's primary development software, is a lot easier to use than the PS3 proprietary software. We'll probably see games that look way better on the PS3, but not until the end of the second year, third year at least.

We'll see what Sony says about online support later, but Xbox Live so far looks like it will be the ultimate way to play games online. The PlayStation 3, for all its Blu-Ray support, still feels like a console - the X360 has everything. I was hoping to see the PS3 have some sort of Media Extender to compete with the X360, but it's still early days.

As for the Revolution, no solid details yet - but while you're waiting, check out this video.

Nintendo On - Hoax or not? (http://cube.ign.com/articles/613/613578p1.html)

A number of high profile sites (like ign) have stated this to be a hoax - but if it is a hoax, it was done professionally. To render the sort of environment in that ad would require G5 computers, and you don't find them in the every day home. I'm still holding on to hope that this truly is the Revolution, but it would finally make Nintendo a competitor again. I believe if they just bring out another console, as opposed to the oppurtunites the On presents, Nintendo's days are numbered.

As for the Revolution, no solid details yet - but while you're waiting, check out this video.

Nintendo On - Hoax or not? (http://cube.ign.com/articles/613/613578p1.html)


Holy shit.

Holy shit.

You're telling me - my jaw hit the floor when I saw that video.

I was dissapointed when all the gaming sites said it was a mock-up, but personally I think Nintendo would be stupid NOT to do something like this.

Umm.. both Xbox360 and PS3 have been oficially announced, both thier looks and specs are on the official sites. O.o

PS3: specs (http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/050517_e.html">Pics</a> and <a href="http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html).

Xbox: Specs and lots of other crap. (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm)

Compare them yourself. Personally, even though the PS3 seems to have more processing/graphics power I'm still looking forward to Xbox360 the most. Seems to have a lot more of the features I want and doesn't have a retarded, gay looking controller. I've actually grown to like the Xbox controller design, and the 360's look even better. The PS3's contoller design has been done before, and it sucks... I've used one like it before.

Anywho, regardless of the controllers, the Xbox360 just has a bunch of awesome features, it's nearly as good as having a tricked out computer (Which has many computer dealers pissed when they use Windows in thier boxes now.. since MS has practically made a computer thierselvess.. another monopoly case anyone?). I haven't actually seen a list of PS3's features.. but Xbox has always had a better online network then PS. MS has put everything but the kitchen sink in the damn thing.

The video of the Revolution might just be what Nintendo needs to stand out from the rest. Nintendo will definitly need to do something completely different and hopefully amazing (and have it actually be as great is it'll most likely be advertised). If Nintendo doesn't deliver something truely unique that actually works well, then I doubt they will make it much farther in the console buisness. However I'm sure they will most likely stay afloat due to fanbase and other sources of income (GBA).

I'm sick of all the new systems striving for the best graphics and fastest processors though. It might actually be a good thing if anyone would actually do anything with all that power besides making flashy graphics. Flashy graphics alone doesn't make a game innovative.

Nintendo On - Hoax or not? (http://cube.ign.com/articles/613/613578p1.html)

I'm still holding on to hope that this truly is the Revolution, but it would finally make Nintendo a competitor again. I believe if they just bring out another console, as opposed to the oppurtunites the On presents, Nintendo's days are numbered.
Really?

Now of course the video was impressively put together, but I really don't hope this isn't the next system for Nintendo. I'm not too keen of putting on a Virtual Boy 2 and walking around and moving my arms all over the place just to move the character.

Wow, the PS3 and Xbox360 both look horrendous. I can't believe they went with that controller for the PS3, it's revolting.

I really think that the aesthetics of consoles have steadily been going down the tubes with each passing generation. Although it's odd, the slimline PS2 is one of the sexiest things ever. I don't understand why they can't just do something like that right off the bat.

I hope that whatever Nintendo does isn't so ugly.

Really?

Now of course the video was impressively put together, but I really don't hope this isn't the next system for Nintendo. I'm not too keen of putting on a Virtual Boy 2 and walking around and moving my arms all over the place just to move the character.

Oh come on - could you imagine playing Metroid Prime and being able to actually look around? The Virtual Boy was an ill-concieved idea, and Nintendo didn't have the tecnology to pull it off - at the time.

If this video is real, then it's most likely going to use the gyroscopic technology we hear so much about in the headset - that's it. It will also likely have some kind of wireless controller that is used for commands and actual movement.

The only real difference is that instead of a left analogue stick to look around, you use your head - and the immersion of being right in the action would be fantastic.

I don't like the idea of Nintendo going the way of Sega - I think they have more ingenuity and deserve more than that. But this next console war isn't about graphics - Sony has already got the greater edge in that department. It's about features, and at the moment, the Xbox 360 has the advantage.

Time is a huge factor - the 360 is going to be in homes 6 months before the PS3. The PS2's headstart gave it an advantage that Microsoft never caught up to - they've learnt their lesson this time. In the eyes of the general populous, Microsoft will have gotten in first - the first console with wireless control standard, the first console with high definition, the first console with wireless network capability. Even though the PS3 has all these things, it will be playing catch-up from the word go. And Bill Gates has stated they will release Halo 3 on the same day as the PS3 release - that will be tough competition. There will be many gamers on a limited income who will have to choose one or the other, and Halo 3 will be the inexpensive option.

Basically, Revolution needs to offer something... revolutionary. The Nintendo On concept, true or not, is the sort of idea that is necessary to make them competitive. Given the choice between the PS3 and the Nintendo On, I can imagine a lot of people would choose the On - Virtual Reality has been a dream for generations of gamers, and in the On it is realized far better than the vector graphics of the Virtual Boy.

I want there to be a tight competition - a three way competition. The last generation was PS2 running strong, Xbox sprinting to catch up, and Nintendo jogging along in last place - this generation, the Xbox has caught up, and pulled ahead.

I want to see Nintendo up with the leaders.


I can't believe they went with that controller for the PS3, it's revolting.

I agree completely.

Not to mention if you look at the specs, it's huge - i have no idea how they're going to make it comfortable to hold. But then again, the GameCube controller looked weird, and it was a dream to hold - so until I get it in hand, i'll reserve judgement.

Yeah, that's a good point. Honestly I'm more appauled by the way it looks than anything. And I personally always thought the GameCube controller looked adorable, but I know a lot of people disagreed. I think the GameCube is the only system to have come out since the SNES that was really aesthetically appealing to me; everything else has been ugly as shit, with the exception of the PSone and the PStwo.

And honestly, Nintendo isn't even remotely close to going the way of Sega. Sega was already up to their heads in debt when the Dreamcast hit; it was more or less their last hope. Nintendo may have posted their first ever yearly loss recently, but keep in mind it's still their first one ever. They are sitting on a fucking enormous bank account; last I knew they were one of the top 500 most profitable companies in the world. They could easily go several generations with systems that flop and still be in business. They're not even close to being out of the game, and I don't think there's any chance at all that they won't continue to be a profitable company. I would have absolutely no problem with it if they continued to have the smallest chunk of market share because even with the N64, they turned a profit despite how far ahead the PlayStation was. I'm quite used to my favorite things ending up as the niche market, and there are certain advantages to that anyway.

I was wrong. (http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615008/imgs_1.html)

It was nice to dream, though. Turns out the Revolution is another small Nintendo console with 2 - 3 times the power of the GameCube - a pittance compared to the X360 and PS3.

I'm hoping Nintendo can come up with someting unique that makes this a must have, but I'm hating whoever created that Nintendo On video now for getting my hopes up ;_;

For me personally, and im guessing many people here, it really doesnt matter to me at the end of the day what powers these things, its how many RPG's i can expect to get from a console. So im still staying true to my sony roots. But i still have a forbidden love for nintendo, hoping that they can make a resurgence in the market.

With regards to the virtual reality helmet: I don't think it would be a stretch to say that something like that will probably be released in the next couple years: But it would work like this.

It would just be an accessory, not the system itself. Like Raidenex said, you look around by moving your head and the screen and speakers inside the helmet would make it feel like you are in the environment. However, the thing I don't like about this (and i'm sure other people will not like) is that doing this would make it impossible for anybody else to see what you are doing. I see it as something similar to the x-box live microphone that you plug into the top of your controller. It allows you to use the helmet, but also shows what you see on the tv screen as well.

It really wouldn't be that hard of an accessory to make.

I don't know why you guys are making a big deal about the way the box looks. They look really good to me. The PS3 controller is the only thing that I have a problem with really, but the system looks pretty great.

I love that the controllers are going to be wireless also.

So far, from what I've seen, I like the Xbox360 the best. I trust microsoft more than I do sony at the moment. The system looks more durable. The controller looks more comfortable, and I expect it to go farther than the other systems.

I will probably by the xbox360 this year and then ps3 next year. I'm not so sure about Nintendo, as they have failed to impress me with anything recently. There are a couple of games on the Gamecube that I really love (Super Smash Bros. Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness), but three games in as many years is just not enough. For the first time in any of the past generations I am considering not picking up a nintendo console. We will see.

I was wrong. (http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615008/imgs_1.html)

It was nice to dream, though. Turns out the Revolution is another small Nintendo console with 2 - 3 times the power of the GameCube - a pittance compared to the X360 and PS3.

I'm hoping Nintendo can come up with someting unique that makes this a must have, but I'm hating whoever created that Nintendo On video now for getting my hopes up ;_;

You shouldn't be surprised. Nintendo doesn't really do revolutionary things by and large. They just try to make creative games and every now and then they hit on something so different, it makes a huge impact on all other games.

Like I said in another thread, normally when Nintendo says they are doing something revolutionary, it means they're adding another button.



Milkman: I hate those boxes because they have absolutely no personality whatsoever. They're just big monochrome boxes that look like they are trying way too hard to be sleek. Compare that to the GameCube, which can only be described as "adorable." Obviously stuff like that doesn't make a difference in the long run, but I just miss the days when companies designed consoles to look like video game machines instead of stereo systems.

I have to say I'm rather disappointed in the look of the "Revolution" (I can't actually call it that without putting it in quotes, I feel ridiculous�if they don't change the name to something else I'm going to throw up every time I talk about it), but not surprised in the slightest. They've got to compete in a market that wants sleek, soulless machines. =/

I have to say I'm rather disappointed in the look of the "Revolution" (I can't actually call it that without putting it in quotes, I feel ridiculous�if they don't change the name to something else I'm going to throw up every time I talk about it), but not surprised in the slightest. They've got to compete in a market that wants sleek, soulless machines. =/
I actually like the look of Revolution the most out of all three; at least it doesn't look anything like the prior system, and it's not silver. I find it amazing that it actually is that small, and I'm still wondering how something of this size is going to 'change the way we play games'. The only thing I consider revolutionary about the system is the fact that Nintendo has finally decided to give in to going online, that's about it. I'm sure there will be more details as the week goes on, but I still get the feeling that Nintendo hasn't actually told us why it's called Revolution.

There is actually some really cool stuff about "Revolution" <a href=http://cube.ign.com/articles/615/615089p1.html?reload=true>here</a>. Wireless internet play on Super Smash Bros. as a launch title, and the ability to download NES, SNES, and N64 games onto the system are the things that really intrigued me. I'm actually much more interested than I expected to be. An online SSB would be a dream come true for me.

And yeah, I definitely agree that it's better looking than the other two. I do love the fact that it's that tiny, and personally I think it's worth any sacrifice they might have made to processing power.

EDIT: There is actually some really cool stuff about "Revolution" <a href=http://cube.ign.com/articles/615/615089p1.html?reload=true>here</a>. Wireless internet play on Super Smash Bros. as a launch title, and the ability to download NES, SNES, and N64 games onto the system are the things that really intrigued me. I'm actually much more interested than I expected to be. An online SSB would be a dream come true for me.
While I love the idea of playing Super Smash Bros. online, I think the bigger statement is the latter of yours. Nintendo has said that you can download any and all NES, SNES, and N64 games onto the Revolution, but they have only confirmed it's going to be backwards-compatible with GCN games. I mean, if we can download them, I would imagine that this system is basically going to allow us to play any game ever made for the home console systems. And that is the part that excites me the most, and seems revolutionary to me.

<a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050517/latu045.html?.v=11">"The console also will have downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo� 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System� (SNES) and even the Nintendo Entertainment System� (NES)."</a>

GB Micro (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050517/latu048.html)

http://prn.newscom.com/cgi-bin/pub/s?f=PRN/prnpub&p1=20050517/LATU048&xtag=PRN-prnphotos-46017&redir=preview&tr=1&row=1

yeah, yeah, I read slashdot. but I do feel ashamed for it. and I don't know if anyone else has brought up the thing about old games being available. it does sound like it would be very rad with low enough pricing and a large selection. 99c - 5 dollars a pop and you've got something in between a high end console, a 20 in 1 Gaming Handheld System from a pound shop, and iTunes. Really, I am expecting this to be shit, as Ninty are great at fucking up nice ideas, or just coming up with neat but silly ones. Still. I can hope.

and this probably isn't the right thread for micro, but oh well. I am not checking anywhere else, 56k is being awful. ;-;

I don't think downloading old games is revolutionary in the slightest. People have been doing it on their home PCs for quite some time now. This actually appears to be little more than an extremely savvy business decision, something Nintendo is no stranger to. There are thousands of people regularly pirating their classic games on the interweb, so why not capitalize on the market that obviously exists? If they offer cheap downloads in limitless quantity, with no popup ads, no danger of adware or viruses, and none of the hassle of using search engines or P2P, I bet a lot of people would just cough up a few bucks instead of downloading ROMs. This is absolutely brilliant.

Now, if the online is as good as they say (i.e. you really don't have to pay extra for online play) then they really do have something quite amazing going, yeah, especially if it really does link up with DS as thoroughly as they say it will. Imagine connecting to your "Revolution" (please please please let them change the name) from your DS wherever the hell you are to grab some data for the game you're playing? I'm sure all kinds of nifty stuff can be done like this.

I don't think downloading old games is revolutionary in the slightest.
I didn't say it was revolutionary, I just said that's the aspect of the system (of all the info they have released so far) that seems the most revolutionary to me. Man I'm getting tired of saying that word already. If you actually can download these games, from 20 years ago until now, then I know it's going to attract so many past Nintendo fans that may have lost faith with the company.


There are thousands of people regularly pirating their classic games on the interweb, so why not capitalize on the market that obviously exists? If they offer cheap downloads in limitless quantity, with no popup ads, no danger of adware or viruses, and none of the hassle of using search engines or P2P, I bet a lot of people would just cough up a few bucks instead of downloading ROMs. This is absolutely brilliant.
Yes, I realize this.

I think Nintendo should follow suit as to what Microsoft does with it's downloadable content, and is quite possible what they already have in mind. Release a certain amount of games each day/week/month, and for specific systems. You may pay for some, while others are free. And the content just downloads directly to the Revolution itself, since it seems to have a lot of memory for this kind of thing now.

Until the design of the system actually shows up on Nintendo's site I'm not gonna believe any of these renderings. Also, the reason why they started making them sleek and component like is because thats mostly what people want. They want to be able to put thier game system in thier entertainment centers with thier other stuff and not have it really look too out of place, they want a system that wont be big and gawdy and take up a bunch of space... which is one reason why the Xbox didn't do too great.

At least with the 360 you can change the face plate.

I actually think that having all games available from the off would be far better. Best release titles ever.

Also, the reason why they started making them sleek and component like is because thats mostly what people want. They want to be able to put thier game system in thier entertainment centers with thier other stuff and not have it really look too out of place, they want a system that wont be big and gawdy and take up a bunch of space... which is one reason why the Xbox didn't do too great.


Right, this is more or less what I said. Although I do feel like I should point out that both the PS3 and X360 are needlessly large, and the PS3's shape is such that it isn't even stackable.

And you can believe the pictures from IGN because they basically were photographed from Nintendo's E3 presentation. They say the actual system is going to be even smaller, which I find difficult to grasp. X_X

I personally don't care for small machines. I like big ones. I want to know my console is down there. I want it to take up some space. I want people to see it and say "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT MONSTER!"

Wow, the PS3 and Xbox360 both look horrendous. I can't believe they went with that controller for the PS3, it's revolting.

Gotta agree, the best thing I love about the PS2 is the controller, if there's a game that gets released on all three current consoles, PS2 always wins for me because of the controller. I really hope they give the classic controller with it. Not sure what to think about the designs though.

Right, this is more or less what I said. Although I do feel like I should point out that both the PS3 and X360 are needlessly large, and the PS3's shape is such that it isn't even stackable.

Well I said what I said to contrast you. You seemed to say that you want more life in a system, etc.. I was simply saying that most people don't really care about that. Yes, of course there are the hardcore gamers like us that would like A system to stand out, be individual etc.. but gaming has gona way passed the hardcore and now everyone has a system of some sort.. and most people don't give a flying crap about how the system looks, they just want to be able to hide it away/stack it/make it blend in or even invisible. This is what the masses, the brunt of all electronic buyers, want.. so this is what the system makers make.

They did try a bit too hard with the PS3 though.. it looks like they tried to make it compenent-ish like the old one, but also tried way too hard to make it stand out. It's quite a horrible combination. I actually like the 360's design though.. It's definitly my first choice system.

And yeah you're right I guess I can trust that picture.. it seems to be everywhere: Few little tidbits on the Nintendo system. (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000667043658/)

[edit] Yeah I didn't read through all the page so I didn't exactly see all the crap posted about the Revolution... meh.. regardless.. I'll leave the link.

I actually think that having all games available from the off would be far better. Best release titles ever.

I agree. I love my Super Metroid - not to mention a whole tonne of SNES roms and N64 roms i have. I would gladly pay for each and every one of them again so I could play it on a console with an analogue stick.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to play Mario 64 without an analogue stick?

...oh yeah. Mario 64 DS :(

My thinking is going like this at the moment - the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 both belong in my loungeroom. There is no doubt in my mind that I will get both of these systems - the promise of Perfect Dark Zero, Halo 3, and that gorgeous FF7 tech demo speak volumes.

The Revolution is the only one on my 'maybe' list. And that 'maybe' comes down to price. For the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3, i'll gladly pay up to $500 each for them - and i'll probably have to. For the Revolution, if classic games (that I have to pay for anyway) are the only benefit, I wouldn't want to pay more than $200.

This is E3, so I doubt we'll see the pricing wars just yet - but it's going to be a big step, and I hope Nintendo does the better thing by undercutting Sony and Microsoft. If they're only going to offer 2 - 3 times the power, as opposed to 35 times the power, they need to offer a price that reflects that.

Nintendo will be dead if they do another E3 of this quality.
That's all I have to say.

Nintendo will be dead if they do another E3 of this quality.
That's all I have to say.

E3 isn't over yet ;_;

There's one thing i've been wondering so far - where the hell is Mario 128? They didn't show it at the last E3 because they didn't want people 'stealing their ideas' - if it's a GCN game, this is the last E3 game where it could make any sort of real impact.

Also, I was hoping for more on the new DS games, not just 10 second clips - an update on Metroid Prime: Hunters would be nice.

Well I said what I said to contrast you. You seemed to say that you want more life in a system, etc.. I was simply saying that most people don't really care about that. Yes, of course there are the hardcore gamers like us that would like A system to stand out, be individual etc.. but gaming has gona way passed the hardcore and now everyone has a system of some sort.. and most people don't give a flying crap about how the system looks, they just want to be able to hide it away/stack it/make it blend in or even invisible. This is what the masses, the brunt of all electronic buyers, want.. so this is what the system makers make.

Right... which is what I said, basically. My point was that I wish they made game systems with character, and most people don't, so it's not like I expect it, but that doesn't mean I have to like the new direction.



The Revolution is the only one on my 'maybe' list. And that 'maybe' comes down to price. For the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3, i'll gladly pay up to $500 each for them - and i'll probably have to. For the Revolution, if classic games (that I have to pay for anyway) are the only benefit, I wouldn't want to pay more than $200.


And this is where you and I greatly differ. It seems highly unlikely to me that anything will come out for the PS3 or Xbox 360 that I will actually want to play for quite some time, and when it does I can pretty much guarantee I won't want to play it enough to shell out a bunch of money for it. For the ability to download all those classic games ALONE, I'd pay full price for the new Nintendo system, and that's not counting a version of my favorite game ever that can be played online. So basically if I get any of them it will be Nintendo's.

Also, just out of curiosity, where are you getting the system's specs from? I haven't seen them anywhere.

If it's really such a significant power difference, I think that could either be a really bad thing or a really good one. I kind of think it's a little early for assumptions about that either way, though. Nobody has seen any demos of what the system can do, so who knows?

Wow! PS3 is amazing! Did you all see the ff7 trailer OMG! OMG! OMG!
This is the future of gaming!

Check it all out right here! (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html?q=1)

I couldnt decide, but i just went for the PS3, as ive seen screenshots of some games and it looks awesome!, but im a really big fan of nintendo consoles! i love my GC! cant wait for Zelda! :)

Well, since Gamecube was second in sales to PS2, (the last time I checked), I'm not terribly worried about Nintendo getting destroyed with the release of the Next-Generation consoles. The big positive that Microsoft had was an excellent online service, plus the Halo and KOTOR series, and the best graphics didn't hurt either. Sony is just known for making quality products for a long time, and that has shown as PS2 has been at the top of the charts for quite some time now.

I have heard basically nothing about the Revolution. Yeah Nintendo has been lately trying to make their creations more revolutionary, but I don't see any of them being that. Their next-generation console, however, is looking to be the most revolutionary system they have ever made, and it's certainly looking to be a lot different than the leading competitors. I've heard such rumors from wireless controllers, gyroscopic controllers, etc. But I am glad to hear that the Revolution is apparently backwards compatible with GCN games, since I love the games on the 'Cube the most, mainly for their exclusiveness. I think something else Nintendo should do is make the Revolution backwards compatible with N64 games as well. Just think about it:

There are two ports in the back; you can put your N64 game in there, and it won't stick out of the back. Once you are done, just push a button, and the game slided right out (just like the Game Boy Player).

Right beside that port, another port will open up at the push of a button (much like Xbox and PS2. But this port will open up from the top, not come out horizontally. Push the button back, and the port will close, going at an upwards angle. I think that would be pretty great, and then the Revolution games port will be located on the top of the system.

One thing that I definately want to see with Revolution, is to see it online. I've heard that it's going to be Wi-Fi capable right out of the box, but who knows? Nintendo would get a lot more support if they decided to go online, and would greatly boosts their sales.


I haven't read much about the PS3, other than the fact that it is supposed to easily be capable of the greatest graphics ever seen on any game or console. That doesn't give me too big of a thrill ride, because graphics aren't that important. Just take the PS2 for example; worst graphics of the three, but #1 for a long time. Then look at Xbox; best graphics, #3 for a long time. Am I saying that whichever system comes out with the best graphics is doomed, and the one with the worst will reign surpreme? Of course not. But it does make you wonder a little bit. But yeah, I really haven't heard enough about PS3 other than CELL. Now, as to what I would like to see with the system itself:

Four controller ports. I think it's pretty ridiculous that you have to spend $20-$30 more just to have a couple friends play with you. Sony, just put four on there from the start and make everyone happier.

A bigger controller. Yeah the current design is pretty simple and stuff, but I just found it to be way too small, along with the buttons. I think they are too close together. Maybe they should do something with the R1/R2, and L1/L2 buttons. I don't see the point in having four. Just have a R and L button.

Backwards compatibility. Yes I'm a huge fan of it, I admit it. But I believe that the more games you are capable of playing on a system, the higher probability you have to be more successful in the business.

An improved online service. Nothing compares to Xbox Live, but PS2 online wasn't terrible. I can't explain what Sony should do to make it better, but they should do something to make it a more enjoyable and easy service.


With Xbox 360, I've heard a little more about it than PS3. I saw a picture or two of what the new controller and system is supposed to look like. Controller looks exactly like the Xbox one, but the picture of the system wasn't too clear to me. Rumors I've heard is that it's going to be backwards compatible with Xbox games, which is great news (I want to play Halo and KOTOR for years to come). Yeah it might not seem like much to just plug it into the Xbox, but I really don't feel like stockpiling an Xbox and Xbox 360 around my room; same goes for GCN/Revolution, and PS2/PS3. I've also read that Xbox 360 is vastly improving the online service; something along the lines of every game is going to be Xbox Live compatible right out of the case, your player profile will stay on the Xbox 360 (so you don't have to configure your controller settings, color of your character, etc.), when you purchase a new game. It may not seem like a huge adjustment, but anything that saves me time is greatly appreciated.

I'd like to see better games for Xbox 360, well, more good games I should say. There aren't too many that I would consider great for the Xbox, and getting more exclusive titles would go a long way.

A memory card that can actually hold some memory. I mean seriously, the one I've got holds about 500 blocks or so. I tried to save Chaos Theory on it, but I couldn't because that game takes up almost 2,000! I want to be able to take these games and their data over to friend's houses, without having to lug the system over itself.

A smaller system. Xbox is way too big for me, but I dealt with it. It's just like a huge black box sitting on my floor, and I've more than once stubbed my toe on it. Seriously, tone it down a little bit guys.

But yeah, that's all the input I have for now.


Nintendo will survive. They are still 'owning' the portable game system market (with gameboy's and nintendo DS).

I personaly think the new consoles start to look rather like a pc then a normal console.
See the ps3, it will have about 12ghz because of the 4 cell chips.
Thats like 3 times my cpu (that runs at about 4ghz, yes its overclocked)
You can't realy call that normal anymore.

I might end up installing linux on a ps3 and use it as lan party server.

the ps3 will room: 2 Geforce 6800 ultra cards,ps3's cell will run at 3x3.2ghz that will give the system 2.18 teraflops(x box360 can do 1.15),2.5 hardisc enterence,...u can record tv programs. and of course it have all the capabilities that ps2 have.and u can plug in 7 controllers instead of 2:) i bet its more..but thats all i know for now. oh and the first titles that will be released is:mgs4,tekken6,gt5,devil may cry 4 and killzone2. and some ppl really thinks that ps3 aint gonna be backwards compatable. of COURSE it will be! maybe x box 360 is better..i dont care. i like the ps games more..thats why ill buy ps3. ps3 will rock anyway..so who cares if x box will have better graphics.

the ps3 will room: 2 Geforce 6800 ultra cards,ps3's cell will run at 3x3.2ghz that will give the system 2.18 teraflops(x box360 can do 1.15),2.5 hardisc enterence,...u can record tv programs. and of course it have all the capabilities that ps2 have.and u can plug in 7 controllers instead of 2:) i bet its more..but thats all i know for now. oh and the first titles that will be released is:mgs4,tekken6,gt5,devil may cry 4 and killzone2. and some ppl really thinks that ps3 aint gonna be backwards compatable. of COURSE it will be! maybe x box 360 is better..i dont care. i like the ps games more..thats why ill buy ps3. ps3 will rock anyway..so who cares if x box will have better graphics.

Hey!

Read the thread

You're dumb.

Wow! PS3 is amazing! Did you all see the ff7 trailer OMG! OMG! OMG!
This is the future of gaming!

Check it all out right here! (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html?q=1)
Oh my goodness, you are exactly like Kerry; flip-flopping your opinion every other day.

Yes, there is no denying that the graphics on the PS3 are amazing, especially with Killzone 2. I'm still wondering if that was pre-rendered or actual gameplay I was watching.


and u can plug in 7 controllers instead of 2 i bet its more..but thats all i know for now.
Actually, you can't plug in any controllers to the system, because they are wireless. All three systems are coming out with wireless controllers now, so no more controller ports for this generation of home consoles.


oh and the first titles that will be released is:mgs4,tekken6,gt5,devil may cry 4 and killzone2.
The only game Sony needs to worry about making a release title is Killzone 2.


and some ppl really thinks that ps3 aint gonna be backwards compatable. of COURSE it will be!
Do you not read any of the information that is provided here. PS3 is backwards compatible with Playstation and PS2 games.


maybe x box 360 is better..i dont care.
Or maybe not. Seriously, I watched footage of the Microsoft press conference about Xbox 360 and saw some clips of games being released on the system, and I cannot tell the difference in terms of graphics. Seriously, they all look like Xbox games. Also, Microsoft is doing a terrible job at conveying exactly what they want their message to be. I just have no clue what they are trying to accomplish with the Xbox 360, because I haven't been impressed with it yet.


i like the ps games more..thats why ill buy ps3. ps3 will rock anyway..so who cares if x box will have better graphics.
Oh man.

Xbox 360 is not capable of producing graphics on par with PS3; not even close. It never will be either.

You must have been looking at different things than I have Smokey because there are a lot of things I've seen from Xbox 360 that could never have been done on the Xbox.

Also I haven't noticed a big difference between the graphics on the videos i've seen for ps3 and the graphics for xbox 360. I'm sure there will be a difference because the hardware for the ps3 is so much better, but seriously I don't think it will be that big a deal.

Also, just a note, but according to IGN, the machine that the demos for the xbox 360 are running on is really only running at a third of the final products power due to it being in the alpha stages of production, so we can expect better graphics and a better framerate out of the final version.

I personaly think the new consoles start to look rather like a pc then a normal console.
See the ps3, it will have about 12ghz because of the 4 cell chips.
Thats like 3 times my cpu (that runs at about 4ghz, yes its overclocked)
You can't realy call that normal anymore.
Not quite. You can't just multiply the number of processors by the processing power and expect a machine that will run 12 times as fast. Then the cell processor would decimate all desktop computing and we would be asking ourselves why AMD and Intel didn't rise up and do something about this imminent threat.

Multiple processors are just that--independent enitities and as such need to be coded for accordingly (similar issues arise if you made an analogy between 1 amazing worker and three medicore workers--the three workers can't all work on the exact same job but they are excellent for working independently on three different jobs). All old code needs to be rewritten or recompiled to make use of the parallelism. Of course AMD and Intel and going multi-core but you can see in this Tomshardware article (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050405/pentium_d-18.html), what happens when a dual core cpu runs on unoptimized code (this is just part of the article).

Also comparing console processor numbers to your desktop computer is like comparing apples and oranges since the architecture most consoles run on is RISC(Reduced Instruction Set Computer) based and much different from the CISC (Complex Instruction Set Computer) based desktop cpus. RISC based cpus are also much cheaper to manufacture due to their reduced complexity and usually faster than similar CISC based cpus. This makes comparing the 300 mHz ps2 cpu to the 733 mHz pentium 3 kinda of non-sensical. All of the new console cpus are RISC based PowerPC IBM built beasts, though.

Here are the most recent specs I could find on the next gen consoles. Nintendo isn't realeasing their console's specs at e3 from what I've heard.

Xbox 360
http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/1144/The-Xbox-360-System-Specifications/p1

PS3
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html

the ps3 will room: 2 Geforce 6800 ultra cards,ps3's cell will run at 3x3.2ghz that will give the system 2.18 teraflops(x box360 can do 1.15),2.5 hardisc enterence,...u can record tv programs. and of course it have all the capabilities that ps2 have.and u can plug in 7 controllers instead of 2:) i bet its more..but thats all i know for now. oh and the first titles that will be released is:mgs4,tekken6,gt5,devil may cry 4 and killzone2. and some ppl really thinks that ps3 aint gonna be backwards compatable. of COURSE it will be! maybe x box 360 is better..i dont care. i like the ps games more..thats why ill buy ps3. ps3 will rock anyway..so who cares if x box will have better graphics.
Yeah and sony doesn't care if you install an operating system on it, they even support it :)

Nintendo isn't realeasing their console's specs at e3 from what I've heard.


Yeah.

Which is why I'm still wondering where you're getting your info from, ExS!

The whole notion of which system is going to have superior graphics is irrelevent right now since the release date games are mostly ports of previous generation games or highly developed pc games and thus will have the same medicority across all consoles. There isn't enought time for developers to develop enough assets nor is there knowledge enough to push the consoles to anywhere near their full potential.

Even brute performance-wise, they will all pretty much be on par with one another since IBM builds all the cpus and nVidia and ATI do all the gpus. All the hype that goes into the "Cell" processor is way overrated in the graphics discussion since the cpu really just hands off almost all the work to the gpu which has its own ALUs and its own memory. To the best of my knowledge, only one processor can do this handing off and both ps3 and xbox 360 will be PowerPCs running at 3.2 GHZ (and Nintendo likely to follow). I haven't found much about the ps3 gpu but it would pretty safe to assume that the ps3 will get the best nVidia chip at launch and the xbox 360 will get the best ATI. So really the graphics debate is pretty much nill.

Also, in the previous generation the ps2 ran 150 MHZ gpu while the xbox was nearly double at 250 MHZ. The difference is noticeable but not entirely crushing. The difference in gpu will be much more slight in this generation and the information on the gpu of ps3 I have so far is sketchy since one of the main determining factors of gpu power is the amount pixel/vertex shader pipelines and the shadermodel supported, all of which are unknown to me. The clock speed of the gpu is pretty irrelevent, though, as clock speeds have remained pretty constant in the last year or two for gpus, memory speed might be even more important.

Hey!

Read the thread

You're dumb.

and like i fucking care.... i read the thread...i dont give a fuck. ppl talk about alot of shit that dont have anything to do with the thread. i was just posting some damn info. problem with that?

I guess none of you heard about the fact that everything at Xbox360 related at E3 is running on alpha units that are a 3rd of its real power. The PS3...eh. I'm confident it'll have great graphical power, but I worry about the artistic vision behind it.

I am convinced that the "revolution" did not exist a week before E3. It screams of being a mockup. I am also convinced that Nintendo are going to drop behind everyone next year. Hell, if they do another E3 like this and don't produce something pretty fucking amazing as their next gen console...they're dead. They just are. They have been a dissapointing company for a while now, and I feel guilty for being such a listless fanboy.

I am confident that they've lost the plot with the GB Micro. Reggie looked so proud, and that proves how good a PR he is, truly worthy of being my idol, but honestly, they've fucked up. They bombed. They are an unimpressive company now.

I guess none of you heard about the fact that everything at Xbox360 related at E3 is running on alpha units that are a 3rd of its real power. The PS3...eh. I'm confident it'll have great graphical power, but I worry about the artistic vision behind it.

I am convinced that the "revolution" did not exist a week before E3. It screams of being a mockup. I am also convinced that Nintendo are going to drop behind everyone next year. Hell, if they do another E3 like this and don't produce something pretty fucking amazing as their next gen console...they're dead. They just are. They have been a dissapointing company for a while now, and I feel guilty for being such a listless fanboy.

I am confident that they've lost the plot with the GB Micro. Reggie looked so proud, and that proves how good a PR he is, truly worthy of being my idol, but honestly, they've fucked up. They bombed. They are an unimpressive company now.

What he said.

I guess none of you heard about the fact that everything at Xbox360 related at E3 is running on alpha units that are a 3rd of its real power. The PS3...eh. I'm confident it'll have great graphical power, but I worry about the artistic vision behind it.

I am convinced that the "revolution" did not exist a week before E3. It screams of being a mockup. I am also convinced that Nintendo are going to drop behind everyone next year. Hell, if they do another E3 like this and don't produce something pretty fucking amazing as their next gen console...they're dead. They just are. They have been a dissapointing company for a while now, and I feel guilty for being such a listless fanboy.

I am confident that they've lost the plot with the GB Micro. Reggie looked so proud, and that proves how good a PR he is, truly worthy of being my idol, but honestly, they've fucked up. They bombed. They are an unimpressive company now.
How is this so different from the Gamecube? The Gamecube seemed like a pack follower, to me, with no real hardware innovation. I don't really remember how that went back when it came out...but I don't think Nintendo is doing anything much too different from the last generation.

What he said.
Oh shut the fuck up, seriously. You don't agree with what he said; it's just that you are trying to look cool and fit it by saying that you take the stance of a guy who has an immense amount of knowledge of video games, while you have very little.

Yep, guess u caught me. Would you like an award?

I guess none of you heard about the fact that everything at Xbox360 related at E3 is running on alpha units that are a 3rd of its real power. The PS3...eh. I'm confident it'll have great graphical power, but I worry about the artistic vision behind it.

I am convinced that the "revolution" did not exist a week before E3. It screams of being a mockup. I am also convinced that Nintendo are going to drop behind everyone next year. Hell, if they do another E3 like this and don't produce something pretty fucking amazing as their next gen console...they're dead. They just are. They have been a dissapointing company for a while now, and I feel guilty for being such a listless fanboy.

I am confident that they've lost the plot with the GB Micro. Reggie looked so proud, and that proves how good a PR he is, truly worthy of being my idol, but honestly, they've fucked up. They bombed. They are an unimpressive company now.

Why does it scream of mockup, exactly? Nintendo has always been secretive. If you expected them to actually show any games, you're an absolute nutcase. Seriously.

They're doing nothing differently. They've been making shitloads of money doing exactly the same thing for decades. They've got no reason to stop. I never understand these "Nintendo is so dead, man!" claims. They're insanely rich and have had one unprofitable year in their entire history. Just once I'd like to see somebody try to back that prediction up with some kind of factual evidence.

I think everybody is ready for Nintendo to suddenly "die" because of what happened to Sega, but the circumstances were so utterly different it's not worth comparing them for two seconds.

Microsoft seem to have thought of everything that gamers want and need.

I know the one thing I wanted, nay, needed, was to design corporate t-shirts and have my characters wear them.

I fail to see what a vast majority of Microsoft's presentation had to do with the wants and needs of gamers. It seemed like a sales pitch to that crowd of people who don't really play games, but might like the array of other media features.




But this next console war isn't about graphics - Sony has already got the greater edge in that department. It's about features, and at the moment, the Xbox 360 has the advantage.

Call me crazy, but I thought it was about games. I like my game consoles to play games, not make my toast and download my music. Of course, there is a good chance that i'm out of touch with the demographic these features are aimed at. Thankfully so.



The PS3...eh. I'm confident it'll have great graphical power, but I worry about the artistic vision behind it.

Because when I think of artistic vision, I think of Microsoft.

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In all seriousness, I don't understand the hype for the next generation. Sony put up some fine smoke and mirrors, much like they did with the PS2, and people are eating it up once again.

As far as the 360, Microsoft was sending mixed messages. They want to appeal to a more casual market, yet somehow I don't think your sister or girlfriend will be wanting to play Gears of War.

Nintendo showed little, which wasn't suprising. At least they opted to go a different direction from Nintendo On.

On the whole, I don't think you can really take away anything meaningful from this show. Limited hands-on play. One of the systems wasn't shown at all, while one is at limited power, and there is a good chance one of them had a little help from his prerendered friends. Personally, I think it's too early for a console jump, but I guess i'll have to roll with the punches.

I'll have to wait and check out the price for the PS3. A giant portion of my decision will based on backwards compatibility. If I buy one, it will be so I can play some of the PS2 titles I missed out on.

I highly doubt i'll be picking up a 360. The few titles I was curious about on the X-Box, I played on the PC.

I can say with pretty good confidence that i'll be picking up "Revolution" simply for Nintendo's first party titles.

Well, that's my two cents. Take it for what it's worth, a stick of gum.

Why does it scream of mockup, exactly? Nintendo has always been secretive. If you expected them to actually show any games, you're an absolute nutcase. Seriously.
Because they've shown basically nothing about it, and haven't shown any test units running. This suggests that the revolution only exists in the head of old man Iwata, and they suddenly realised they had a press conference to be at.

And yeah, I'm practically stuck in the crazyhouse for thinking that they'd show games at a huge exposition about games.



They're doing nothing differently. They've been making shitloads of money doing exactly the same thing for decades. They've got no reason to stop. I never understand these "Nintendo is so dead, man!" claims. They're insanely rich and have had one unprofitable year in their entire history. Just once I'd like to see somebody try to back that prediction up with some kind of factual evidence.
Alright then, factual evidence.

Nintendo have cut a great deal of their smaller PR ties in the last few months - a great deal of smaller sites have ended up with a lot less code than usual. What does this scream of? A company that can't afford to publicise their games by throwing them at smaller sites who will big them up. To my knowledge, the Gamecube has not done that well in european territories - we've seen huge reductions in the price of the console, yet not in the games, here - and the DS is starting to show it's lack of support/actual quality. They haven't been producing m/any good first party games for a long time now.

Personally?

I want Nintendo to die. I would love to see Iwata's face when he's shown his stock is dropping. Because the DS does not deserve to do as well as it has, and they are genuinely holding the industry back with their half-assed "revolution" and the GBA Micro, yet more moneysinks for people who can't use emulators.

Microsoft have done more for gaming than Nintendo have in the last two years. Suck on that, fanboys.

Because they've shown basically nothing about it, and haven't shown any test units running. This suggests that the revolution only exists in the head of old man Iwata, and they suddenly realised they had a press conference to be at.
Wow.

Oh no Nintendo showed no games on the Revolution, so that must mean that there is no actual system and Iwata is just spewing things out of his ass! Seriously, sometimes you just say stuff that is utter shit. I'm going to <B>suggest</B> that if Microsoft didn't show anything with their system, or any games with it, that they are just talking about an imaginary system? Or what about Sony?


I want Nintendo to die. I would love to see Iwata's face when he's shown his stock is dropping. Because the DS does not deserve to do as well as it has, and they are genuinely holding the industry back with their half-assed "revolution" and the GBA Micro, yet more moneysinks for people who can't use emulators.
You can't judge how good the DS should be doing or not, and neither can I. I've already said that the DS isn't as great as a lot of people make it out to be, but I'm not going to sit back and declare that the handheld should just rot and plummet off the face of the Earth.

And now you are saying that Nintendo is holding back the industry? It seems to me that both Sony and Microsoft are doing a pretty descent job of moving ahead in the business while Nintendo is lagging behind once again.


Microsoft have done more for gaming than Nintendo have in the last two years. Suck on that, fanboys.
I'm not denying that. But get over the notion that you believe all and everything you say about the video game business is the truth.

Is the PS3 going to be more powerful than a top of the line PC like alienware?

Because they've shown basically nothing about it, and haven't shown any test units running. This suggests that the revolution only exists in the head of old man Iwata, and they suddenly realised they had a press conference to be at.

Once again, this is always the case with them. They are always the last to show off what they're doing. Nothing has changed.


And yeah, I'm practically stuck in the crazyhouse for thinking that they'd show games at a huge exposition about games.

It's not like they didn't show any games at all. They showed off lots of GameCube games. They always do that: Try to keep the spotlight on as their current system as much as possible until they're ready to really unveil their new one. I don't get why people haven't come to expect great secrecy from Nintendo. Every year the same thing happens, everyone gets all hyped up about whatever new Nintendo thing is on the way, and they just give hints about it, and everyone goes on some big tirade about them. I would have been utterly shocked if they'd revealed any more about their new system than they have.

By the way, Nintendo first announced they were actively working on the successor to GameCube years ago. I find it hard to believe that you REALLY think there is no Revolution and they just made something up a week in advance. You can say what you want about Nintendo, but they don't just sit around with their thumbs up their butts.



Alright then, factual evidence.

Nintendo have cut a great deal of their smaller PR ties in the last few months - a great deal of smaller sites have ended up with a lot less code than usual. What does this scream of? A company that can't afford to publicise their games by throwing them at smaller sites who will big them up. To my knowledge, the Gamecube has not done that well in european territories - we've seen huge reductions in the price of the console, yet not in the games, here - and the DS is starting to show it's lack of support/actual quality. They haven't been producing m/any good first party games for a long time now.

You're kind of reaching here, dude. Cutting their ties to "smaller" web sites (how small are we talking here? Bob's Game Review Barn?) is a pretty poor indicator either way imo. Nintendo has yet to visibly stop being profitable, and even if that DOES happen, they will have a ways to go afterwards until they totally run out of money to keep trying to pull themselves back up with.



Personally?

I want Nintendo to die. I would love to see Iwata's face when he's shown his stock is dropping. Because the DS does not deserve to do as well as it has, and they are genuinely holding the industry back with their half-assed "revolution" and the GBA Micro, yet more moneysinks for people who can't use emulators.

Microsoft have done more for gaming than Nintendo have in the last two years. Suck on that, fanboys.

For starters, this is one of the reasons why for so long I never bothered to engage in any video-game related discussions. You're not allowed to specifically support any one company, ESPECIALLY not Nintendo, without being... <I>A FANBOY!</I> Gasp! I guess there could be no logic whatsoever to the argument of a FANBOY.

Seriously, let's put the idiomatic name-calling aside, shall we? Microsoft have done absolutely jack shit for gaming as far as I'm concerned, but then again I hate 95% of everything that's come out for video games in the last five years, so that should be sort of taken for granted. I'm sure MS has done way more to advance the technology of video games than Nintendo has, that's for sure. Maybe you feel differently, but my personal opinion is that Nintendo is one of the very last companies who consistently produces video games that are actually worth playing.

So if you want Nintendo to die, fine. You can wave your flag all you like. If you want to convince people it's actually going to happen, though, you're going to have to come up with something more convincing than "they cut ties with small web sites and I hate them." You certainly don't come off as having an objective opinion.

I guess none of you heard about the fact that everything at Xbox360 related at E3 is running on alpha units that are a 3rd of its real power. The PS3...eh. I'm confident it'll have great graphical power, but I worry about the artistic vision behind it.

I am convinced that the "revolution" did not exist a week before E3. It screams of being a mockup. I am also convinced that Nintendo are going to drop behind everyone next year. Hell, if they do another E3 like this and don't produce something pretty fucking amazing as their next gen console...they're dead. They just are. They have been a dissapointing company for a while now, and I feel guilty for being such a listless fanboy.

I am confident that they've lost the plot with the GB Micro. Reggie looked so proud, and that proves how good a PR he is, truly worthy of being my idol, but honestly, they've fucked up. They bombed. They are an unimpressive company now.

i totally agree. if one of the companys is fucked....it have to be nitendo. no offence.