One of the biggest problems with SACDs is that, unless you have an actual SACD player, it's almost impossible to be able to enjoy the best part(s) of SACD technology, namely superior-to-standard-CD-audio hi-definition sound quality, plus and especially the Surround Sound "layer". There are ways of ripping SACDs so that, with a relatively inexpensive Surround Sound card on a PC and a decent set of Surround Sound speakers to go with it, it's possible to hear these "extras" without a SACD player, but the ripping process has been so complicated and inaccessible (requiring the use of a non-updated Sony Playstation 3, which is not available anywhere in the world via standard retail) that very few people have been able to successfully pull it off.

Most people here are probably aware that I've been posting a great deal of Surround Sound music for almost a year now, but not everybody here knows that for me to acquire the Surround Sound files that I've been uploading, I've been forced to send all my SACDs out of state along with a blank flash drive to a person who runs an SACD extraction service using a non-updated Sony Playstation 3 that he was able to acquire somehow, and he would then send them back to me with SACD .iso files on the flash drive. It cost me a sizable amount of money for that, not to mention the long, arduous process to go through for all that. (I'm not asking for sympathy from anyone, I would have done all this even just for my own collection anyway, regardless of uploading everything here are FF Shrine.)

Well, I am absolutely ecstatic to be able to report that I have just acquired a new Pioneer Blu-Ray player that IS available through standard retail (I got mine from Amazon just a few days ago) which I have just successfully used to extract my own SACD .iso files! Life just got a WHOLE lot easier!!

The procedure for using this player to extract SACD .iso files is also WAY easier than what you have to go through with a Sony Playstation 3. With a PS3, you have to hack the machine's firmware, running the risk of ruining it forever in the process, but with this new Pioneer Blu-Ray player, there's no hacking needed. All you have to do is a very easy home-network connection between the player and your PC, plug a USB stick drive into a USB port on the front of the Blu-Ray player, and you're ready to rip. There's no risk of permanently ruining anything with a risky hack, you don't have to sweat drops of blood hoping and praying that the machine you're buying from some joe-schmo on the internet really does have the right firmware version like he/she claims it does, and you don't have to be a certified, expert-level computer geek in order to be able to successfully carry out the extraction process.

The one downside is that the machine runs a little less than $300...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LIQST6W/

...but an un-updated Sony Playstation 3 will easily run at least that much (since a lot of Playstation 3 owners know that SACD fans are looking for them), plus it'll be 100-times harder to find.

So if anybody here is interested in being able to rip your own SACDs so that you can access the Hi-Definition and Surround Sound layers, let me know and I'll walk you through it.

In the meantime, I need to go extract the Surround Sound layer of Rachmaninov's complete piano concerti......
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42753709/Photobucket/cigar-1.gif

Playback: Foobar SACD plugin + good appropriate sound card

https://sourceforge.net/projects/sacddecoder/

Ripping is not problem at all, on board already exist enough tutorial!!!

The Foobar plugin you are referencing, NumeroUno, is only useful for a SACD-R .iso file. It can't be used for an actual SACD disk, because there are no PC drives available that can read the Hi-Res or Surround layers on an SACD disk. What I am talking about is extracting the .iso file from the actual SACD disk, so that the plugin you are referencing can then be used. That is, in fact, the very procedure that I have been using for nearly a year to produce all the Surround Sound music that I've posted here. But now I have the added ability to extract that .iso file on my own without having to send off all my physical SACD disks to somebody else to do the .iso file extraction. And now that I know how to do it without having to launch a major search for a machine that is not normally available, I'll be happy to share the process if anybody else here wants to be able to do the same thing with their own SACD disks. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42753709/Photobucket/nod.gif

The Foobar plugin you are referencing, NumeroUno, is only useful for a SACD-R .iso file.

Obviously i'm talking about playback. Actually this plugin is created for *.dat; *.dff; *.dsf; *.iso; master1.toc.

About extracting SACD disc, You don't have to be a nuclear physicist to make .iso file or separate DSD (.dsf) files from SACD disc. You can use old PS3 method but recently there exist several softwares available to hack 90% blu-ray players to extract the contents of a sacd. All is published on NET dozen times through tutorials.

Obviously i'm talking about playback.No, you weren't "obvious" about playback, your post also specifically says "ripping". Quit being dishonest about what you said in a feeble attempt to excuse yourself for shooting off your mouth.
Actually this plugin is created for *.dat; *.dff; *.dsf; *.iso; master1.toc.That is completely irrelevant here since I'm talking about SACD disks.
About extracting SACD disc, You don't have to be a nuclear physicist to make .iso file from SACD disc.Thank you, that was the whole point of my opening post. Thank you for being an echo.
You can use old PS3 method but recently there exist several softwares available to hack 90% blu-ray players to extract the contents of a sacd. All is published on NET dozen times through tutorials.Most of those tutorials that I have seen can be hard to understand for most people.

If you have a problem with me offering to share a simpler version of those tutorials with other people here who own SACD disks and who would like to use more than merely their standard CD audio layer, then I invite you to quit wasting your and my time in this thread and go somewhere else.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42753709/Photobucket/mmph.gif

If you have a problem with me offering to share a simpler version of those tutorials with other people here who own SACD disks and who would like to use more than merely their standard CD audio layer, then I invite you to quit wasting your and my time in this thread and go somewhere else.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42753709/Photobucket/mmph.gif

Well I thought this is discussion and just because that I got involved.
Look you open thread and start bullshit like THIS IS HARD JOB. If I understand well You want to look like LEADING EXPERT, right? Sorry but this is 2016 and extracting SACD is childish game, i have on my blog already several guys who work effortlessly. If I'm in a good mood I will publish on shrine simply tutorial (with their assistance).

We don't have any problem so If this bothers you and if you want to continue with a monologue or heartbreaking topics 'Bob is out' or 'Bob is back' I'm not going to waste yours or mine time.

By the way your classic opus here is great. Unfortunately I'm now busy building one private forum & don't have enough time listen to it. But when the opportunity arises i will ask links from you.

SIGNING OFF

Well I thought this is discussion and just because that I got involved.What you were doing is berating, not discussing.
Look you open thread and start bullshit like THIS IS HARD JOB.For most people, SACD ripping IS a hard job.
If I understand well You want to look like LEADING EXPERT, right?No, I'm clearly not as brilliant as you, so there's no way that I could ever look like the "leading expert". All I want to do is offer to share a complicated procedure in terms that most people like me (far more simple-minded than specialists like you) can follow.
Sorry but this is 2016 and extracting SACD is childish game, i have on my blog already several guys who work effortlessly.Goody for you. News flash: FF Shrine is not your blog.
If I'm in a good mood I will publish on shrine simply tutrorial (with their assistance).Be my guest.
We don't have any problem so If this bothers you and if you want to continue with a monologue or heartbreaking topics 'Bob is out' or 'Bob is back' I'm not going to waste yours or mine time. SIGNING OFFGood. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42753709/Photobucket/madyes.gif

Each time NumeroUno/zvonko makes a post, the collective IQ of FFShrine drops by a point or two. That's how powerfully ridiculous all his statements are.

Each time NumeroUno/zvonko makes a post, the collective IQ of FFShrine drops by a point or two. That's how powerfully ridiculous all his statements are.

Ha ha, yes of course, Mr. 'CUEtools is shit software'
That's why you exist only here. This forum is the most democratic place in the world. Simply even an idiot like you can make 1000 stupid post per day (without any common sense) thinking he was addressing to like-minded people (people with only one half of brain).

Kid you're either already had brain surgeries or you are a medical phenomenon.

TAKE CARE

I may have only half a brain, but at least I use mine.

Remind me what I said about CUEtools? That lossless tests can be easily faked?

Remind me what I said about CUEtools? That lossless tests can be easily faked?

If you have doubt about CUETools log then You do the test, but for that you need and other half (brain).
Like you see it is not difficult solve the problem but You are unfortunately handicapped.

This ain't no democracy.

All right, I downloaded CUEtools for the first time in my life and decided to take a lossless file, convert it to MP3 V-0, and convert it back to FLAC, and see if CUEtools considered it "accurately ripped". Please correct me if my process has been erroneous or unscientific. Remember that it is my first time using this thoroughly useless tool.

Lossless file straight from my own CD



Transcoded file



Both tracks, including the transcoded and clearly lossy file, were (5/5) Accurately ripped

Both tracks, including the transcoded and clearly lossy file, were (5/5) Accurately ripped


HA-HA-HA

What an idiot!!!! Sig worth!!!!

Did I do something wrong? I'm relying on your keen expertise here, zvonko.

Did I do something wrong? I'm relying on your keen expertise here, zvonko.

I told you already no matter what you make 1000 post per day here YOU ARE AMATEUR. PERIOD
If you want to make people laugh feel free to continue with blabbing.

So I did it all correctly? Cool.

Yes you do correctly (just as I expected from you) HA-HA-HA

Ok one leasson for you

1) This is accurip file (cuetools log) for one my lossless upload (you can check it) This one

Thread 191176


[CUETools log; Date: 29. 10. 16 05:32:39; Version: 2.1.6]
[CTDB TOCID: 0gNs0j8vESa24D0hrZySkmiRtOE-] found.
Track | CTDB Status
1 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
2 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
3 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
4 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
5 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
6 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
7 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
8 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
9 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
10 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
11 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
12 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
13 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
14 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
15 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
16 | (5/5) Accurately ripped
[AccurateRip ID: 00153684-00fef930-dc08b710] found.
Track [ CRC | V2 ] Status
01 [e3253ba6|1b0ad394] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
02 [6276dbf0|78e3daad] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
03 [170ebfc7|66b51db1] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
04 [28b2f119|651d0384] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
05 [04b736f9|a84fe8f3] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
06 [c61a9afe|9e048406] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
07 [9d13516c|89047e84] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
08 [cbaf39dc|0f6db636] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
09 [4c6c9a62|72ba9819] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
10 [db67634e|6ec409b2] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
11 [bce8126b|614c30fb] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
12 [63cca7cd|d2516485] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
13 [9698eca2|1f8c586a] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
14 [da1f65e8|19810137] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
15 [7ed3e78c|9864b4d2] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped
16 [d6ef7366|1299354d] (0+1/1) Accurately ripped

Track Peak [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL] [ LOG ]
-- 78,2 [73A4FB1B] [62203DBE] CRC32
01 62,0 [7382041D] [A4B376C3]
02 54,5 [F183B8DD] [BF260CE6]
03 62,5 [2BA66E52] [B9685EA5]
04 51,3 [AC7079B6] [25ADA638]
05 62,0 [ADDE9B0B] [CA52F263]
06 78,2 [296631E2] [1C62A3BB]
07 52,8 [185E6982] [ABD2AEDB]
08 71,0 [2FF02F6E] [E4A72404]
09 64,3 [C634BDE8] [9FA3694E]
10 62,1 [4B9875CE] [4AD87447]
11 48,4 [F2C4953B] [26BE09A7]
12 74,7 [FD2F4636] [1642A267]
13 54,3 [B747C967] [FBD41F27]
14 73,8 [6CE3D725] [22ABCA4B]
15 57,1 [78AC2E8D] [CB7B165E]
16 68,5 [540BE06F] [4F30060F]


It's perfect rip

2) Please follow these steps If this is not an undue burden on the rest of your brain cells.
Lossless converted to AAC (VBR Q 127 ~ 320 Kbps) and transcoded back to flac. Now you can check this fake rip
Let's see what we get


[CUETools log; Date: 04. 12. 16 05:31:24; Version: 2.1.6]
[CTDB TOCID: 0gNs0j8vESa24D0hrZySkmiRtOE-] found.
Track | CTDB Status
1 | (0/5) No match
2 | (0/5) No match
3 | (0/5) No match
4 | (0/5) No match
5 | (0/5) No match
6 | (0/5) No match
7 | (0/5) No match
8 | (0/5) No match
9 | (0/5) No match
10 | (0/5) No match
11 | (0/5) No match
12 | (0/5) No match
13 | (0/5) No match
14 | (0/5) No match
15 | (0/5) No match
16 | (0/5) No match
[AccurateRip ID: 00153684-00fef930-dc08b710] found.
Track [ CRC | V2 ] Status
01 [3f0c0731|f4fc0445] (0+0/1) No match
02 [bb38ad94|faa53b45] (0+0/1) No match
03 [7bcef6bd|f3968ba3] (0+0/1) No match
04 [8021ff0e|588fd9d3] (0+0/1) No match
05 [5447b812|5779091c] (0+0/1) No match
06 [56f29d67|7fe94853] (0+0/1) No match
07 [1f308814|f2c927db] (0+0/1) No match
08 [621d0e45|8bcc112f] (0+0/1) No match
09 [939a96ff|ac833918] (0+0/1) No match
10 [e7ad9b87|562da557] (0+0/1) No match
11 [bd8891a9|894f305f] (0+0/1) No match
12 [f9f2022b|ab03621c] (0+0/1) No match
13 [e007b992|ff42e09d] (0+0/1) No match
14 [9574d1f1|f1073a71] (0+0/1) No match
15 [d197a6b8|735ef42f] (0+0/1) No match
16 [cdb36e39|5a3cd715] (0+0/1) No match

Track Peak [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL]
-- 78,2 [72E03B1D] [35D4616A]
01 61,9 [19FF5664] [71FB1F39]
02 54,5 [5F0E68BE] [A1D2100E]
03 62,8 [540E30C3] [5A1D7DD5]
04 51,3 [17C322D7] [99466706]
05 61,4 [D2BC5D98] [F89E29D2]
06 78,2 [492C1562] [88BD75E9]
07 52,9 [E01563B2] [BA42352B]
08 70,4 [E11CC105] [A01789C9]
09 64,7 [CBC5ECE0] [901BB12C]
10 61,9 [8E579A7C] [586638D1]
11 48,8 [30BA5542] [30FAE65C]
12 75,0 [AE060C20] [10909548]
13 53,9 [67AFCDFE] [652F64EC]
14 73,1 [B9C347EE] [765472F1]
15 56,9 [3A5DE6F1] [745EFDB8]
16 68,2 [329C9259] [D0C9DD72]


UFFF CTDB Status 0/5 Acurate Status: 0+0

The same thing like in this case

Thread 211204

Well... Show me your intellect. You have only one attempt to guess: HOW IS THIS (FAKE 'PRIMAL FEAR') RIP MADED?

All right, I downloaded CUEtools for the first time in my life and decided to take a lossless file, convert it to MP3 V-0, and convert it back to FLAC, and see if CUEtools considered it "accurately ripped". Please correct me if my process has been erroneous or unscientific. Remember that it is my first time using this thoroughly useless tool.

AccurateRip results are based on user submissions.

If you transcode lossy to lossless, it's technically still lossy.

Programs like Audiochecker.exe will say that some lossy sourced files are lossless.
Those are the ones that are useless.

Many programs *can* use the AccurateRip database.
EAC does, Foobar2000 can, dBpoweramp can, etc.

AccurateRip shouldn't be used on digital files, but rather just at the ripping process.

To get "accurate" results of the Accuracy test, you would need to burn the lossy file to CD and then rip that.

CUETools is great for splitting single image files.
But Foobar2000 can do the same.

CUETools also maintains updates to allow you to use your NVidia graphics card to process audio into flac.
FLACUDA / FLACcl ("CL" coming from AMD's creation of OpenCL computations).

"Accurate" is meant for CD ripping only and shouldn't be used as any sort of guidance on testing digital files.

---------- Post added at 08:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 PM ----------

All the info for AccurateRip needed can be found on their site:
http://www.accuraterip.com/

EAC requires extensive tweaking of all settings and options.

Any program that can correctly detect the faulty drive offset on your disc drive will definitely take you a long way.

Most programs only need to be configured once.

To get "accurate" results of the Accuracy test, you would need to burn the lossy file to CD and then rip that.


Untrue. After burning lossy copy and re-rip with eac, you will get in 99% cases log with this conclusion: insufficient quality!!!

Well I don't have any blank CDs on me, and I'm not going to buy any to satisfy zvonko. I guess you'll just have to take his word for it that I'm a mental invalid and subnormal.

Well I don't have any blank CDs on me, and I'm not going to buy any to satisfy zvonko.

I know it's hard with your brain capacity but please make an effort, try to think and answer me:

Which is the purpose of online accurate databases if every ignorant (like you) could submit fake rip?

About satisfying, perhaps it would be better for you to find something with two tits instead acting here like sad internet addict.

Which is the purpose of online accurate databases if every ignorant (like you) could submit fake rip?

That's a non-sequitur. I'm not submitting anything. I checked a lossy rip against the supposedly bit-accurate information in the AccurateRip database and it mistakenly reported my lossy track at "accurately ripped". Now maybe I'm supposed to make the whole disc lossy as opposed to one track, but it's not worth the trouble. Besides, I suppose it's fruitless to debate with the man who I honestly think must be Srbija's greatest ripper (not that that's saying much).

The score:
zvonko (born to be wild) - 1
Skelly (born to be mild) - 0

That's a non-sequitur. I'm not submitting anything. I checked a lossy rip against the supposedly bit-accurate information in the AccurateRip database and it mistakenly reported my lossy track at "accurately ripped".

Checked one track HA-HA-HA!!!! Look jerk, you want to stay stupid? It's ok for me.

CIAO

Well, it's been made pretty clear we're all lost Causes,
so there's no need for you to stick around, NumeroZvonko.

Bye bye, don't come back too soon.

There's just no winning with him.