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Going straight to the point, this is what this thread is about: an analysis of Joe Kraemer's score for "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation" so that we can put together all the music we have to date.

After the release of the official score, during the awards season were released 4 promotional scores on the Paramount site. The first had 56 cues, the second 31, the third 53 and the last one 31 again.
The easiest part is that the longer and shorter releases are very similar one each other, but for a long time I got confused every time I wanted to listen to it, so I've been doing for some time the huge work of comparing each cue of the various sources between them and to the movie itself and I already made sustantial steps forward, though the end is still far from being close.

I'd love some help in this thing, because it's an immense amount of work that require enormous attention, care, precision and A LOT of time.
If some you already did something similar to this, you're more than welcome to share your results.

If you're interested in this, here are a couple of things I learned about the various releases:
- the longer releases are basically the same thing, are very comprehensive but they're not complete. I still think most of them come straight from the sessions, since they're unmastered and unedited; though some notes were added after the sessions.

- the shorter releases have been mastered in some way (the volume is slightly higher) and edited: some cues are edited together and others are the film edits. There are alternates and some cues missing from the longer releases.

- the official release contains some sections missing even to all of the FYCs.

If there's some interest for this thing, I'll obviously post everything I came up with.

EDIT: the first two inserts of classical music ("Overture to Le Nozza Di Figaro" and "Symphony No. 3 Eroica - 1st Movement"), though being source cues (and not re-recordings by Kraemer as I initially thought) are featured into the 56-tracks version FYC.

Been planning this for a while now. I grabbed the 56-track version and the 31-track version. All I care about is the film version of each cue, which happens to be on both releases. Also, I think this post (Thread 197350) might help you as it did me.

When I have time (pending, waiting to hear about something), I'm gonna go through it and try to compile all the film versions. It just sucks that all we have is 192k MP3 :/

Been planning this for a while now. I grabbed the 56-track version and the 31-track version. All I care about is the film version of each cue, which happens to be on both releases. Also, I think this post (Thread 197350) might help you as it did me.

When I have time (pending, waiting to hear about something), I'm gonna go through it and try to compile all the film versions. It just sucks that all we have is 192k MP3 :/

Yep, and it's a shame no physical copy was released!

Well, I'm glad you're interested, DAK! :D

In my analysis I wanted to keep an eye open for both film versions and alternates. FunnyML's post is truly helpful, I didn't notice the "King Of Norway" insert / alternate / whatever-it-is until I read that! But I always fear I'll miss some of them.

As for now I managed to arrive at the cue "She Tried to Kill Me", right after the Opera sequence.

The film version cues are:
"Logos" (FYC 1-2-3-4).
"The A400" (FYC 2-4).
"Mission Impossible Theme" (FYC1).
"London" (FYC 1-2-3-4).
"The Record Store" (aka "Shadow Wilson / We Are the Syndicate") (FYC 2-4) with some minor edits in the end.
"The Senate" (FYC 1-3) faded around 0:35.
"The Mysterious Woman" (FYC 2-4).
"The Dungeon - Rabbit�s Foot" (FYC 1-3), [3:04 - end].
- "Brawl (Film Version)" is completely missing.
"Escape to Danger" (aka "Dungeon Fight / Logos") (FYC 2-4).
- "Havana (Film Version)" is missing.
"Overture to Le Nozza Di Figaro" (FYC 1), [0.20 - 0.37].
"King of Norway" (FYC 2-4).
"Symphony No. 3 Eroica - 1st Movement" (FYC 1),[0.17 ~ 0.44] but there's an inner overlap.
- "Vienna (Film Version)" is slightly different than the promo versions.
~ the 10-minutes Opera sequence with source cues ~
Then there are 3 cues, all of them are into the "A Flight at the Opera" (FYC 2) cue, but I couldn't tell if those sections are separated in the film version.

I worked on all of the 4 FYCs because I could miss an alternate or a slightly different cue.

I also took the OST, along with the two La-La Land bonus cues, and broke it down to the promos cues.

The A400 = Logos / A400 Part 1 (FYC 1-3) / (Unknown Sections) / Mission Impossible Theme (FYC 1) / London
Solomon Lane = SUITE ?
Good Evening, Mr. Hunt = We Are the Syndicate Part 2 (FYC 2-4)
Escape to Danger = The Senate (FYC 2-4) / (Brawl Alternate?) / Escape to Danger (aka Dungeon Fight / Logos) (FYC 2-4) [0:00 - 0:46] / (Unknown section)
Havana to Vienna = 1� Havana cue (FYC 1-3) / Vienna
A Flight At The Opera = A Flight at the Opera (aka Rooftop Escape / She Tried to Kill Me) (FYC 2-4) [0:00 - 2:20]
~ the following comparisons were made very quickly, using only the FYC 1 ~
The Syndicate = The Syndicate / Morocco
The Plan = slightly edited version of Benji Gets to Wear a Mask
It's Impossible = UNUSED CUE ?
The Torus = Mission: Infiltrate / (Unused underwater sequence music) / (Music for Hunt's resque)
Morocco Pursuit = Atlas Motorcycle Chase
Grave Consequences = Morocco Cantina Band / (Unknown section) / Graveyard Chat / King�s Cross Station
A Matter Of Going = Aqaba / Kidnapping Benji
The Blenheim Sequence = Reroute Us to London / little edits of Get Him Ready Please
Audience With The Prime Minister = little edits of That Syndicate / (Unknown sections) / Activating the Syndicate
This Is The End, Mr. Hunt = little edits of I Am the Disc / Shootout at the Table
A Foggy Night In London = London Foot Chase
Meet The IMF = Mr. Lane Meet the IMF
Finale And Curtain Call = You Know How to Find Me / Mr. Secretary / Curtain Call / little edits of Brawl / (Unknown sections)

Very nice, this is looking good. Keep it up.

As for now, my goal is to check the differences (if there are some) between the two longer releases (FYC 1-3) and the two shorter releases (FYC 2-4).
This way, I can sum up the promos in only two sets, halving the amount of cues to work with and having an overall knowledge of the entire score.
Then, I'd work again on the comparison between the longer release, the shorter and the movie score, and maybe I'll need to revise my analysis of the first 40 minutes of the movie.


Very nice, this is looking good. Keep it up.

Thanks DAK :) But, you know, this will be the real beast to tame. I'm currently into at the college and I'll need to study and keep up this project. I'll go ahead very slowly.

If you're worried about missing differences, just import two similar tracks into Audacity and check out what the differences are.

Also, some cues we may be able to extract from the Blu-ray.

If you're worried about missing differences, just import two similar tracks into Audacity and check out what the differences are.

That's how I led my analysis... but I still managed to miss some alternates. In order to avoid other overlookings I need more time and more attention than before.
Thanks for your suggestion anyway, Skelly!


Also, some cues we may be able to extract from the Blu-ray.

I don't have the means for that... The only cues I'd extract from the Blu-ray are the End Credits and maybe the source cues, especially those of the Opera sequence.

I don't have the means for that... The only cues I'd extract from the Blu-ray are the End Credits and maybe the source cues, especially those of the Opera sequence.

Neither do I. I mean I have the Blu-ray, but I have no way of ripping it. So what does one do in this instance? Download a Blu-ray MKV (NOT MP4!) torrent of the film. Import it into Audacity, and then export the audio as FLAC and v�ola! 6 channels of audio from the film. That's how I make my film mixes now. It was an integral part of making TDK.

Oh and it will be impossible to get all the opera source cues clean, unfortunately. I watched the music featurette on the Blu-ray, and Joe Kraemer himself said that it was mixed in such a way to sound as if the music was heard from the back of a stage, the rafters, the audience, all around. They purposely did that. So there's music in ALL channels, which means there will be SFX and dialogue in some of them.

And no, no slates visible in this featurette (which is what I was hoping for ) :(

Well.......I can upload the Blu-ray Audio. It's just that it'll possibly take weeks. I just know where to get it.

Download a Blu-ray MKV (NOT MP4!) torrent of the film.

Why?

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Also, torrents aren't safe anymore.

Well.......I can upload the Blu-ray Audio. It's just that it'll possibly take weeks. I just know where to get it.

That's ridiculous, I can do it over the weekend. I could do it sooner if I wasn't busy with work.


Why?

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Also, torrents aren't safe anymore.


Aren't you unable to extract the audio in FLAC from an MP4 file?

Torrents have never been safe. It's just that lately Google has been blocking Pirate Bay. Kickass Torrents has a mirror site, though.

Kickass Torrents has a mirror site, though.

They do ?

Would love to grab a Couple more Comics before all the Seeders are gone...

That's ridiculous, I can do it over the weekend. I could do it sooner if I wasn't busy with work.

Is the audio actually lossless though? Considering what you said about the mix, it might be pointless, but it would be nice to have anyway. I already have the ones for 2 & 3.

Oh and it will be impossible to get all the opera source cues clean, unfortunately. I watched the music featurette on the Blu-ray, and Joe Kraemer himself said that it was mixed in such a way to sound as if the music was heard from the back of a stage, the rafters, the audience, all around. They purposely did that. So there's music in ALL channels, which means there will be SFX and dialogue in some of them.

And no, no slates visible in this featurette (which is what I was hoping for ) :(

The slates would be incredibly helpful for the analysis. I was even thinking to fake them.

As far as you know, the Opera source cues are re-recordings made for the film or they're from pre-existing recordings?
Watching the movie it looks like it was actually played while filming...

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Download a Blu-ray MKV (NOT MP4!) torrent of the film. Import it into Audacity, and then export the audio as FLAC and v�ola! 6 channels of audio from the film. That's how I make my film mixes now. It was an integral part of making TDK.

Really? I didn't even try to import a video in Audacity. I thought it wasn't possible at all!

Aren't you unable to extract the audio in FLAC from an MP4 file?

MKV and MP4 are just containers. You can include whatever audio you want in MP4. If a lossless audio codec is used in an MP4, you can extract that in lossless.
For whatever reason, pirates seem to prefer MKV for full lossless video and audio, and MP4 for mini-encodes and AAC.


Really? I didn't even try to import a video in Audacity. I thought it wasn't possible at all!

Just drag-and-drop a video into the program.

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I was even thinking to fake them.

That's not how slates work...

I was even thinking to fake them.

That's not how slates work...
Of course, I know that. But when you have 4 different titles for a same cue, various alternates and edits all coming from different promos, slates can be extremely helpful to clear the track order, eventual sections of a same cue and so on.
Well, I was ironic :D I wouldn't do it for real.

The slates would be incredibly helpful for the analysis. I was even thinking to fake them.

As far as you know, the Opera source cues are re-recordings made for the film or they're from pre-existing recordings?
Watching the movie it looks like it was actually played while filming...

It was an actual Vienna opera performance recorded specifically for the film, shot inside the Vienna opera house.


For whatever reason, pirates seem to prefer MKV for full lossless video and audio, and MP4 for mini-encodes and AAC.

Maybe that's why I thought it had to be in MKV...

It will be impossible to get all the opera source cues clean, unfortunately. I watched the music featurette on the Blu-ray, and Joe Kraemer himself said that it was mixed in such a way to sound as if the music was heard from the back of a stage, the rafters, the audience, all around. They purposely did that. So there's music in ALL channels, which means there will be SFX and dialogue in some of them.

I just rewatched the entire sequence... there are dialogues (mainly Hunt and Benji), and many SFX but they're not very loud and most of the time it's only the music. We could extract the music of the entire sequence or maybe use another recording to replace the SFX and dialogue.

Do we know if The A400 off the OST is the film version? I know you could combine all the split cues from the FYC(s) to make it, but I'm not sure if it's the film version.


I just rewatched the entire sequence... there are dialogues (mainly Hunt and Benji), and many SFX but they're not very loud and most of the time it's only the music. We could extract the music of the entire sequence or maybe use another recording to replace the SFX and dialogue.

Alright, I guess it's worth a shot. Couldn't hurt. I'll try and download a torrent today and get the audio in FLAC.

Do we know if The A400 off the OST is the film version? I know you could combine all the split cues from the FYC(s) to make it, but I'm not sure if it's the film version.

The OST version is not the Film Version, the opening is different. The Film Version is in the 31-version FYC.


Alright, I guess it's worth a shot. Couldn't hurt. I'll try and download a torrent today and get the audio in FLAC.
Thanks :)

BTW, I also made a comparison between the OST and FYC of Bridge of Spies, and surprisingly the FYC has more edits than I expected and doesn't provide much bonus material.

Downloading now. AC3, 48kHz, 5.1.


The OST version is not the Film Version, the opening is different. The Film Version is in the 31-version FYC.

Ok so is it Studio Logos + The A400? Tracks 1 & 2? I'm gonna make a folder and put all the film versions in there and work from that.

Ok so is it Studio Logos + The A400? Tracks 1 & 2? I'm gonna make a folder and put all the film versions in there and work from that.

From the 31-tracks version FYC, yes.

Anyway, I already posted my film version cues list (or notes for the film edit or if they're missing):

FYC 1-3 = longer releases (56/53 tracks versions)
FYC 2-4 = shorter releases (31 tracks versions)


The film version cues (from beginning to the Opera sequence) are:
"Logos" (FYC 1-2-3-4).
"The A400" (FYC 2-4).
"Mission Impossible Theme" (FYC1).
"London" (FYC 1-2-3-4).
"The Record Store" (aka "Shadow Wilson / We Are the Syndicate") (FYC 2-4) with some minor edits in the end.
"The Senate" (FYC 1-3) faded around 0:35.
"The Mysterious Woman" (FYC 2-4).
"The Dungeon - Rabbit’s Foot" (FYC 1-3), [3:04 - end].
- "Brawl (Film Version)" is completely missing.
"Escape to Danger" (aka "Dungeon Fight / Logos") (FYC 2-4), (if my memory doesn't betray me).
- "Havana (Film Version)" is missing.
"Overture to Le Nozza Di Figaro" (FYC 1), [0.20 - 0.37].
- "King of Norway": we have two versions of the cue, but I cannot identify the film version.
"Symphony No. 3 Eroica - 1st Movement" (FYC 1),[0.17 ~ 0.44] but there's an inner edit.
- "Vienna (Film Version)" is slightly different than the promo versions.


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Then, I should go ahead with my analysis, but I hardly ever find time to keep up this project.

Cool, thanks. It's done downloading. Gonna transfer it to my external drive (Mac HD getting full), then extract the audio in FLAC from there.

Downloaded. Looking at all the channels now in Audacity. It appears all the dialogue is in channel 3. There's slight echoeing in the front and rear channels, though this isn't as bad as I thought. I'm thoroughly pleased :)

I wonder about the TrueHD 7.1/Atmos 9.1 audio..

Yeah I couldn't find any torrents that had the Dolby TrueHD 7.1 track.

Yeah I couldn't find any torrents that had the Dolby TrueHD 7.1 track.

I found it. Unfortunately, seeders are a bit difficult to deal with in the place I found. I'll upload it when it's done.

I found it. Unfortunately, seeders are a bit difficult to deal with in the place I found. I'll upload it when it's done.

Just send me the link, we don't have time to wait on you lol

I wonder about the TrueHD 7.1/Atmos 9.1 audio..

Atmos audio is fake.
It's matrixed. Like Dolby Surround EX.

I finally managed to end the track-to-track comparison between the two longer sets and between the shorter too, separately.

The longer releases (FYC 1,3) have all the same music, except for three cues that appear only in the FYC 1 ("Mission Impossible Theme"; "Overture to Le Nozza Di Figaro"; "Symphony No. 3 Eroica - 1st Movement"). There are some added silences, minimal differences in the wave form and in volume level, though. This leads me to believe these two promos come from the same lossless set, downconverted twice. Maybe one of the two got some sort of mastering, but I can't be sure.

As for the shorter releases (FYC 2,4) they do not only share the same music, but it's the same identical files: when you compare the cues, you get complete silence. The only exceptions are "Apartment / Morocco" (FYC 2) and "Morocco" (FYC 4). The first cue has a 1-minute section that was cut away in the second, while the remaining part has an uncertain but consistent difference of some kind, that I couldn't identify. They sound exactly the same, but the wave forms are all over the place, as if they're different cues. I even tried to compare it to the longer promo's version but I couldn't find a match.

Also, I discovered that the two classical music excerpt in the FYC 1 ("Overture to Le Nozza Di Figaro"; "Symphony No. 3 Eroica - 1st Movement") ARE actually source cues, while initially I thought they were re-recordings made by Joe Kraemer (because they were included in the promo score). I overlooked the source cues list in the credits, and those two cues were there, along with the Opera cues.

Now I can condense the four promos in two sets, one featuring the longer version and the other one for the shorter version. This way, I will be able to compare all of the four promos throught two sets only.

Awesome. Now after you get two sets together, can you compile a list of ALL the film versions? I'd like to have just that.

Edit: is it just that small list on the first page? There's gotta be more than that.

Awesome. Now after you get two sets together, can you compile a list of ALL the film versions? I'd like to have just that.

Edit: is it just that small list on the first page? There's gotta be more than that.

Yes, I'll compare the two sets with the movie. I actually was already doing that using all of the 4 promos, but that was incredibly hard to continue, so I stopped just after the Opera sequence. The list on the first page is the list of the film version cues I was able to identify before I stopped.

Now I'd start that again from scratch, with 2 sets only is far more easier now.

But I won't be able to continue until the weekend comes or maybe even next week, because I'm incredibly tired, I have a huge amount of things to do for an exam I have this Friday.

Good things take time :)

DAK, I'd love you to help me out a little bit. I totally can't get the difference (besides the 1-minute section cut away in the second cue) between "Apartment / Morocco" and "Morocco" from the two 31-tracks version promos.
Do you think they're the same cue? Or one of them is an Alternate of the other?

I'll have to download both. I only have the La-La Land and the 56-track FYC.

After a long time, I managed to get a big step further with this score.
I finally managed to compare each and every cue of all the 4 promos, taking notes of identical cues, alternates, inserts, edits and possible alternate takes of a single cue.

I'm probably going to post it in the download section, along with all the different promos.

Here's the tracklist of the "all in one" FYC Promo:

01 - Logos
02 - The A400 (Opening I & A400)
03 - The A400 (Opening II)
04 - The A400 (Opening III & A400)
05 - Mission Impossible Theme
06 - London
07 - Shadow Wilson (Clean Ending)
08 - We Are the Syndicate (Version I)
09 - We Are the Syndicate (Version II)
10 - Shadow Wilson / We Are the Syndicate (Version I & II) EDIT
11 - The Senate (Full Version)
12 - The Senate (Short Edit)
13 - The Dungeon / Rabbit's Foot (Full Version)
14 - The Dungeon / Rabbit's Foot (Short Edit)
15 - Brawl
16 - Dungeon Fight
17 - Logos
18 - Dungeon Fight / UNKNOWN CUE / Logos (Alt.)
19 - Havana
20 - Havana (maybe Alt. Insert)
21 - Overture to Le Nozza Di Figaro (Excerpt)
22 - King of Norway
23 - King of Norway (Alt.)
24 - Symphony No. 3 Eroica - 1st Movement (Excerpt)
25 - Vienna
26 - Rooftop Escape
27 - She Tried to Kill Me
28 - Rooftop Escape / UNKNOWN CUE / She Tried to Kill Me (Alt.)
29 - Barge on the Danube (Full Version)
30 - Barge on the Danube (Short Edit)
31 - The Syndicate
32 - Lipstick
33 - Lipstick (Alt.)
34 - Shoot My Uterus
35 - Morocco
35 - Morocco (possibly Alt. Take)
36 - Shoot My Uterus (Alt.) / Morocco
37 - It�s Impossible (Full Version)
38 - Benji Gets to Wear a Mask
39 - It�s Impossible (Short Edit) / Insert / Benji Gets to Wear a Mask
40 - She�s Bad News
41 - Mission: Infiltrate (Clean Ending)
42 - Mission: Infiltrate (Insert Ending)
43 - Ilsa Rescues Ethan
44 - Benji Changing Clothes (maybe Unused)
45 - Shocking / Are You Okay to Drive?
46 - Shocking / Are You Okay to Drive? (Alt. - Short Edit)
47 - Killer
47 - Killer (possibly Alt. Take)
48 - Atlas Motorcycle Chase
49 - Morocco Cantina Band
50 - I Am so Proud of Us
51 - Cemetery Meeting
52 - Graveyard Chat
53 - King�s Cross Station
54 - Graveyard Chat / King�s Cross Station EDIT
55 - Aqaba
56 - Kidnapping Benji (Original Version)
57 - Kidnapping Benji (Insert Version)
58 - Reroute Us to London
59 - Get Him Ready Please
60 - Reroute Us to London / Get Him Ready Please EDIT
61 - That Syndicate
62 - Living Manifestation of Destiny
63 - That Syndicate / Living Manifestation of Destiny (Alt.)
64 - Activating the Syndicate
65 - No Sudden Moves Benji
66 - I Am the Disk
67 - UNKNOWN CUE / Activating the Syndicate / No Sudden Moves Benji (Alt.) / I Am the Disk
68 - Shootout at the Table
69 - London Foot Chase
70 - Knife Fight
71 - Lane Finds Ethan
72 - Shootout at the Table / London Foot Chase (Alt.) / Knife Fight (Alt.) / Lane Finds Ethan
73 - Mr. Lane Meet the IMF
74 - You Know How to Find Me
75 - Mr. Secretary
76 - Curtain Call
77 - Mr. Secretary / Curtain Call EDIT

More details when time comes.

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Also, I want to post here the (possibly) full list of slates of the score, they're probably going to be helpful for further development of the analysis of this score:

Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation - Joe Kraemer (2015)

1m01 Logos*
1m02 The A400*�
1m03 Cargo Bay*
1m04
1m05 Senate
1m06 The Record Store
1m07
1m08 Dungeon*�
1m09 Brawl
1m10 Escape
2m11a Satcom
2m11b CIA
2m12 Havana*
2m13s Mozart
2m14 King of Norway�
2m15s Beethoven
2m16 Vienna*�
3m17TJ Nessun Dorma
3m18 Rooftop*
3m19 Car�
3m20 Shoe Leather
3m21 Syndicate
3m22 Lipstick�
3m23 Shoot My Uterus�
3m24 Mission Morocco*�
3m25 They Are Going to Kill Him
4m26 The Impossible Mission*
4m27 The Plan
4m28 She's Bad News�
4m30
4m31 Mission: Infiltration�
4m31a The Taurus
4m31b Benji Changes Clothes
4m32 Shocking*�
5m34 Look Out for That Car
5m35 Motorcycle
5m35X Motorcycle Chase*
5m37 Moroccan Cantina*
5m38 Makes Killing Hunt Easier
5m39 Take the Prime Minister�
5m40 Graveyard
5m41 King's Cross Station*
5m42 Aqaba*�
5m43 Kidnapping Benji*
6m44a Re-Route Us to London*
6m44b
6m45 Get Him Already*
6m46a Living Manifestation of Destiny�
6m46b
6m47
6m48a I Am the Disk�
6m48b I Am the Disk�
6m49 Shoot Out At the Tower
7m50 London Foot Chase
7m51 Knife Fight
7m52 Lane Finds Ethan
7m53 Mr. Lane, Meet the IMF*
7m54 You Know Where to Find Me*�
7m55 Mr. Secretary

*contains the "Mission: Impossible" theme written by Lalo Schriffin

�contains "The Plot" from the Mission: Impossible TV Series written by Lalo Schriffin

�contains "Nessun dorma" written by Giacomo Puccini