In my opinion Id is the best fps publisher ever, but I've been noticing that the past few games have had really crappy multiplayer Especially Doom 3. And seeing how Doom started and revoultionized multiplayer shooters with 8 player LAN games I don't think that should except able. And they completely changed the gerne. From action fragfest to horror. Witch I mean all the Doom games are kinda satanic and what not but Doom 3 seemed extra satanic. And wat really pisses me off is the marine dudes arent wearing their trademark helmets. Witch brings me to another topic HALO's master-chief is the biggest rip-off I've ever seen compare him to picture of a Doom marine and you'll see wat i'm talking about. But back to the Id games. Now since I've finished with Doom, I going to bring up Quake 4. I have high hopes for this game cuz Quake's my favorite fps and ... yeah. Besides Quake's been able to do several theme's well like the First Quake that pretty much some gothic like action game. Then Quake 2 did Sci-Fi pretty well. Both great games. And Quakes also a great multiplayer game. So I think Quake 4 will probably be one of the better fps. Now onto the RtCW and ET RtCW was one of the first real 3d games and spawned many expansions. I think that RtCW & ET have the best best mutliplayer action. It's a little more tactical you have to think and you use strategy. One of the reasons this game is so great is becuase it ties classes into the game. Wanna call artillery strike the use field ops. Like saving asses then Medic is for you. Or do u just wanna lay it down with the panzer.
What are your opinions on Id software?

No they lose, Epic is the big winner. Not because of better graphics or better sound and high tech thinger ma bobs. But because of pure game play excelence. I'm talking about Unreal Tournament, they were responsible for it. And by far, this is the best FPS game I have ever played. Fast paced action, online gaming fun, a great level design. And even now, more then five year after it's released, it's still one of the more popular online FPS games being played.

I've been playing for those five years, actually longer because I used to play the demo before that. I've witnessed the rise and fall (and damn what a fall it was) of Unreal Tournament 2k3, they tampered with the one aspect that made the original UT such a great succes, the pure speed of the game, fast paced action was removed. The game was slow to the point of being sluggish. UT2k4 made up for it by introducing Onslaught, in my oppinion the only reason why it's a succes.

ID is not, by a long strech, the best creator of FPS games.

No Id is way better than watever publisher you talk of. Id revolutionized the fps. Seriously Unreal Sucks there is no skill its just get the redeemer pull the trigger and tada you gety 30 killz. It isn't an fps it's medecine for those you cant play and fps.

First of all, not every map has a redeemer, secondly I can survive any redeemer because it's easy to shoot the rocket. Last and most importantly, the most played style of UT is instagib. And in my oppinion Epic truly revolutionized the FPS genre.

I don't disagree with the fact that Id brought the FPS genre to prominence in computer gaming, but I think their hold on the genre was brought to a grinding halt when a little upstart company who previously did multiplayer mods for Quake took the Quake II engine and created the first FPS with substance.

I am, of course, talking about Valve and Half-Life. Half-Life introduced smart enemy A.I., interesting new environments, and of course, a story element. There is no popular single-player FPS now that does not have an indepth, intriguing story - and Half-Life started it all.

Id attempted to wow back the market with Doom 3 - and they have certainly come a long way.The Doom 3 engine is certainly pretty, even if you do need a supercomputer to run it at full potential, and while it doesn't have an indepth story per se, the horror elements and the environments give it a depth of detail.

However, Valve haven't been sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Half-Life 2, although constantly delayed (and delayed), was instantly forgiven the moment it was released. Undoubtedly the best first-person shooter experience, and one of the best games of all time, Half-Life 2 contained the A.I., the horror (Ravenholm was scarier than the entirely of Doom 3), and a brilliant story. It also managed to keep from being repetitive - every section introduced a new gameplay element.

And, like you said, Id's multiplayer has been lacking of late. Counter-Strike is still the most popular internet game (once again, without Half-Life there would be no CS), and games like Unreal Tournament, Battlefield 1942 and Halo 2 provide a refined multiplayer experience better than Id's effort (Quake III).

Although Id will undoubtedly remain popular - there is, after all, still a market for mindless shooters - their days as the dominant developer in the genre are over.

Yes Half Life is the best FPS out there right now. But I still see no fun in Unreal, I'd rather sit around playing ET, or even Quake III Arena. I mean games that actually let you play. I mean when your a newb on UT you get wasted that's it (Although it's fun for us experineced gamers). And in UT you spend more time dead than alive, even with the insanely fats respawn times. The idea is great, but the gameplay could use a little tweaking. But still thats just my opinion if prefer games that make you work for the kill like HALO PC. When you really gotta be good to domiante. I find that after playing UT i become dependant on the weapons not real skill.

No Id is way better than watever publisher you talk of. Id revolutionized the fps. Seriously Unreal Sucks there is no skill its just get the redeemer pull the trigger and tada you gety 30 killz. It isn't an fps it's medecine for those you cant play and fps.
As opposed to get the BFG and kill 5?
Meh.
Doom 3 is an easier, simpler FPS than both UT2k4 and HL2. Same goes for Q3A and Q2. They're incredibly simple, incredibly easier, and most of all, incredibly predictable. Oh look, another imp.

What is it with the recent influx of tripe?

But THe BFG doesnt take out half the map, and it's a classic weapon. And people these days have no respect for classics. Anf I got one word almost every game out there is a rip-off of another and same goes with TV. That's the way any type of media is. So with-out those original classics many games wouldn't be the same. But I do see were you are coming from and did I not say the multiplayer of Dooom 3 sucked. I would like to see more realistic shooters, not this new crap like Kill-Zone and what-not. I think the fps market needs a revamp and I think that Valve will probably do that. Lol smart enemy AI. I remeber playing Doom and watching the dead marines shoot each other. And just to let you know 5 kills to 30 kills is 1/6th so yeah. And don't pull any of that X-box shit either it's tru X-Box had some good graphics but look at what square has done in the past to. There is no proof that X-Box has better graphics. If you bring back frame rate. How much memory each card has. and power than compare those than I'll believe you if you day X-Box has the better graphics. Untill then I dont want no crap about graphics.

But THe BFG doesnt take out half the map, and it's a classic weapon. And people these days have no respect for classics. Anf I got one word almost every game out there is a rip-off of another and same goes with TV. That's the way any type of media is. So with-out those original classics many games wouldn't be the same. But I do see were you are coming from and did I not say the multiplayer of Dooom 3 sucked. I would like to see more realistic shooters, not this new crap like Kill-Zone and what-not. I think the fps market needs a revamp and I think that Valve will probably do that. Lol smart enemy AI. I remeber playing Doom and watching the dead marines shoot each other. And just to let you know 5 kills to 30 kills is 1/6th so yeah. And don't pull any of that X-box shit either it's tru X-Box had some good graphics but look at what square has done in the past to. There is no proof that X-Box has better graphics. If you bring back frame rate. How much memory each card has. and power than compare those than I'll believe you if you day X-Box has the better graphics. Untill then I dont want no crap about graphics.
Dude, Killzone pwns the shit out of Doom!! I have no clue what the fuck you are talking about!

Dude, Killzone pwns the shit out of Doom!! I have no clue what the fuck you are talking about!

I hope you're talking about Doom 1. Even then, it's close =/

LOL. Killzone sucks. And Doom 1's a classic game. Best fps of the 1990's. Er ... one of the best.

I like Killzone!

Come on it had a promising look but what about the awesome multiplayer we were promised all the greatest it was supposed to be the fps of the year. But we never got it. It was just lies for attention. Seriously go Half-Life 2, GREAT. FREAKING. GAME>


What is it with the recent influx of tripe?

Hey no need fer maken fen o us Scottish. Come on Willies a good guy.

And UT is not a more complex fps, it's one of the most simplest it has to be for people like you, were are the objectives, were is the strategy were is the tradition. Yes Doom 3 sucks ... bad ... really bad ... really really bad. But still there are many more fpses out there that are better than UT. ET for example, is one of the most action packed, thrilling, and enjoyable games out there. And just to let you know Id built the fps industry. But still myths die out ... and I don't see any promise with UT. And as Raidenex said Valve will probably take fps gaming to a new era. But not UT. Cuz UT isn't sophisticated, cuz it's built around simplistic gameplay.

But I'm done arguing cuz I really only wanted to see peoples ideas on Id fps. Any ways every bodies got a fan and an enemy. Besides I done pissing you off cuz personally were in a dead end. So yeah, besides I'm high on froot-loopz.

Fine.
Where is the strategy in Doom 1 or 2. Where is the strategy in Quake 1, 2, 3.
That's right, where is the intense strategy you're talking about.

People build lots of things, that doesn't mean that the original builder is better by rights than the newer people.


There is no proof that X-Box has better graphics. If you bring back frame rate. How much memory each card has. and power than compare those than I'll believe you if you day X-Box has the better graphics. Untill then I dont want no crap about graphics.
Get all three systems, line them up, three tv's. Go through pretty much every single multi format game. There's a marked difference between the PS2 and the XBox, though small, on most, and on some it is miles ahead (THUG2 on 480p/1080p). How much memory card has? All three systems have unofficial cards with huge amounts of space. The Xbox has an HD, which is a superb addition. The Gc probably has the biggest official memory cards, but also requires seperate formatting for import games.

"Power" is such a ridiculous phrase in this case. If you mean the voltage, the PS2 and Xbox run off the same power cable, and the GC has it's own sort.

Framerates? Higher on the Xbox. Quite simply compare Burnout 3, mercenaries, true crime, THUG2 (especially, even in HDTV modes), medal of honour rising sun (I think that's the cross format one), and Defjam. Some of them have bigger differences than others, but trust me, the resolutions are slightly higher on the xbox, not to mention generally higher framerates.

My ideas on ID FPSes are that they've got some excellent level design, but they need to actually get some decent writers before their games get anywhere. They have some excellent designers, but just lack...well, the creativity to stick it together into something genuinely amazing.

I meant the memory the graphics card has, like as in the cache or graphics memory. Sorry i phrased it wrong, but since you have obviously compared the facts then I can't say that any other system other than the computer has better graphics. And power as in bigger graphics cards need more power so if your hitting yuour power supply really hard it's most likely your grpahics cards. There are grpahics cards that have more prosessing power than a pentium 4. And yes it is true that Id needs some better writers. But I play rpgs for stories, and FPSes for action. And HDTV does support PS2 it even says on www.x-boxmagazine.com but unfortunately I'll have to sya you are right the x-box does have better specs than a ps2. Well I don't like tell people i'm wrong but lol ...

PS: Even though graphicaly x-box blows ps2 out of the water graphicaly. The ps2 uses a 128 bit cpu custom built by sony. X-box uses a 32bit cpu by intel.

The ps2 uses a 128 bit cpu custom built by sony. X-box uses a 32bit cpu by intel.Eh? the xbox is still a 128 bit console, I'm sure.

i got this from an engineer i'm not saying he's right but I don't think he's wrong. Er ... your probably right a 32 bit console is a bit hokey.

If all you wanted to do is talk about Id fps games why would you post a question about something other than Id fps games? And if you are going to post a poll with 3 options, don't get upset when peoplle respond with something other than what you happen to like.

But I'm done arguing cuz I really only wanted to see peoples ideas on Id fps.

Read a little closer dude. lol

LOL. Killzone sucks. And Doom 1's a classic game. Best fps of the 1990's. Er ... one of the best.


Have you played Killzone? To be honest, that game fucking rocks... sure it has a few minor flaws, not nearly as many as most people claim. In any case, Killzone has a totally solid story with really good visuals and good gameplay. The only downfalls were the linearity of the game and a few enemy's that take too many bullets.

PS: Even though graphicaly x-box blows ps2 out of the water graphicaly. The ps2 uses a 128 bit cpu custom built by sony. X-box uses a 32bit cpu by intel.
You actually believed that a 32 bit system could pump out something like Halo 2?? I guess you are more retarded than I first saw.

ID started fps. if it wasnt for wolfenstein 3d nothing would be as good as it would have been

id Started, others improved.