Of course we know he's going to alter this, same way he alters everything.

I have a problem with authority, particularly with people who have to stick their nose in everyone's fucking business. It's not in the job description, so just let it go.

All I was trying to do was provide useful information to anyone who wanted that fucking album, and I was silenced for it. Typical power-trip bullshit. Since when was profanity disallowed on these forums?

Who gave this guy the keys to the castle? Is anyone else as annoyed at how much Sparktank has taken the law upon himself and altered/removed/combined/closed threads on Shrine without much regard for anyone else but himself? Get a life, dude...

Just venting here. I'm sure this post won't last for much longer.

The tension here these days is astonishing.

Jessie and Sarah don't give a shit about what I have to say, it's up to the people to say something if they want change done around here.

Don't even try to silence me on a "general discussion" forum. I'm tired of adhering to everyone's rules. Just let me have my piece.

EDIT: I do believe he's only at charge of the FILM MUSIC division.

Film download and Film Request sections only.

It'll die out eventually. Probably tonight or tomorrow lol

I want your cock suit.

SAVAGE

can we make a little bitch thread for everyone? isn't this kind of harassment? you took this to a whole other level cluckyou.

No one got my Pocahontas reference.

Yes we did. I did, anyway. Immediately.

No one got my Pocahontas reference.

Yes we did. I did, anyway. Immediately.

Not I, I had to google it.
I haven't watched it since the VHS days.

I made him a mod here because i knew he'd clean up the film score section and do what was needed to be done with it for a long time. It is in all honesty the largest part of this forum now and it needed cleaning up and maintaining.

I changed the thread title by the way because i really don't feel insulting one of our staff members is the best way to bring about change of any kind, and just because you think we don't care about what you have to say doesn't give you the right to insult anyone here.

I actually do care about peoples opinions here but you really went about it the wrong way.

I actually do care about peoples opinions here but you really went about it the wrong way.

Well then, abuse of power. I feel like we're all under surveillance, and I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Maybe because we never really had an active moderator for the film score section of FFShrine?

So predictable.

I've had my beef with both Jessie and Sarah in the past, which is why I felt going to them would be useless. Whatever, I'm done here. I've said what I had to say.

This whole thread is pointless.
Sparktank has done the job given him by jessie
Close threads no longer active/ or hosting items not aloud on the forums.
Plus stopping harrasment of other member exsactly what is uselesss thread is.

This is just shitposting again because you cant do what you want anymore and it is just a shame.

I know this comment will offend 99% or 100% of you but a mod in downloads was needed and now it is running as it should be.

There i am done.

Have a good day.

sooo... what happened here? i was busy rendering an arguable very hot scene.

it was indeed long overdue, and as far as I can see Sparky does a VERY good job indeed.

If you want to define moderation as surveillance, it is up to you, of course, but everywhere where people come together they need to agree to a set of rules. AND people helping to keep those.
Someone actively moderating the way he does will do the place good.
Some might just have to adapt because they are not familiar with the structure.
Making USE of "power" is not automatically an ab-use.

Spark is a good choice, but that of course is only my opinion.

Absolutely well said, Mr Gold and sorei.

This thread is a load of crap, just because someone is whining about a mod who is doing their job. As far as I can tell, Sparky hasn't been overly-strict. I think we're all just used to doing whatever we like and it'll take a while to get used to it. Maybe. Personally, I don't think this is as big an issue as some here are making out. As long as Sparky isn't being unreasonable, and as long as he gives warnings before closing threads, etc, I don't see a problem.

Grow up, people.

Sparktank is doing his job, all right, but he's doing it a little too forcefully in my opinion.

If he wants to close up threads in which the OP hasn't been active for a long time, that's fine with me.

But censoring profanity? Really? Where'd you get that idea, Sparky? What in cluckyou's original post was necessary to omit?

Overall you've done a good job as mod so far, but that business in the Rogue Cut thread was a step too far.

Overall you've done a good job as mod so far, but that business in the Rogue Cut thread was a step too far.

I'm unaware of what happened there. Can you fill me in?

Which 1 the request 1 or download 1?

All this trouble started in tapoktro's Rogue Cut thread. Don't bother looking for it, all the relevant posts have since been deleted.

What happened was a bunch of stupid posts were being made about whether it was all right to share it.

cluckyou said, "How about you avoid all this fucking bullshit and just go to tapoktro's site"? Which was actually sound advice.

Shortly after:

"MOD EDIT: No profanity"

To which cluckyou called Sparky "a fucking Nazi" and subsequently received an infraction for that.

I agree with cluckyou. Banning profanity here is asinine.

Yes. But some members are young and as was said when signing up watch your speaking for that reason.

I am not tsking sides just stateing what was in place upon signing the "I Agree"

Yes. But some members are young and as was said when signing up watch your speaking for that reason.

If you're old enough to sign up for a site that is now primarily a music piracy site, I think you're old enough to handle some f-bombs.

What happened was a bunch of stupid posts were being made about whether it was all right to share it.



correct me if I am wrong, but:
so a bunch of stupid posts are worth staying, and deleting or editing those qualify to judge Spark is overdoing his job?

If you're old enough to sign up for a site that is now primarily a music piracy site, I think you're old enough to handle some f-bombs.

Okay i am not getting into this skelly i respect you to much to fall out over this my friend.

correct me if I am wrong, but:
so a bunch of stupid posts are worth staying, and deleting or editing those qualify to judge Spark is overdoing his job?

No, no, I don't care about the posts.

What bothers me is that Sparktank went in and changed someone's post because of profanity.

I'm don't like it when posts are changed like that.

maybe he named it that friendly in order to avoid a more aggressive word. Like for example, to add some descriptive terms in general: destructive, aggressive, hostile or flaming, he might have chosen a more neutral word, ever thought about that?

cluckyou's initial post in no way seemed like flaming to me at all.

But whatever, what's done is done, I'm not getting caught up in this.

Thanks for the explanation, Skelly. I had no idea.

The tension here is certainly quite something these days.

Without getting into an argument over it again, I don't have a problem with rules against profanity. I know there are younger folk here for whom it is inappropriate. But even that aside, it's just nicer to use better language for all of us.

However, that being said, I don't think it's great for mods to edit members' posts like that, and people should be free to express themselves to a certain degree. I guess it's a fine line. Tbh, I think the best thing for the mods to do is to warn members when they use very explicit language and give them the chance to edit their own posts.

I've never seen a mod here moderate language before, so it's a new experience for us all...

I don't think it's just me who's noticed the increasing arguments and squabbles going on here these days. Guess it's just a bad patch. It'll be quieter soon, I hope.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/sas04slqtv92uewg9bth.gif

I don't think it's just me who's noticed the increasing arguments and squabbles going on here these days. Guess it's just a bad patch. It'll be quieter soon, I hope.

Its not just you. I know my poor attitude didnt help. But i am trying to stay calm and friendly to everyone on here :(

I'm unaware of what happened there. Can you fill me in?

Not that it matters anymore, but here are the details of the infraction I received.


Dear cluckyou,

You have received an infraction at Final Fantasy Shrine Forums.

Reason: Inappropriate Language
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Constant profanity, even after warned and edited post, defying moderator wishes.
Also insulting members (me).
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/x-men-days-future-past-%96-rogue-191623/#post3004812

You guys could just head to the site that Tapoktro is usually associated with and avoid all this fucking bullshit.

MOD EDIT:
Please no profanity in a thread not labeled "NSFW".

And yes, there are other sites with less rules. But let's not turn it into a new discussion.
GIYF: Google is your friend.

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Are you fucking kidding me? When did you become such a fucking Nazi, sparky?

Jesus fucking Christ, just ban me already.

All the best,
Final Fantasy Shrine Forums

As was previously mentioned, it seems dumb to enforce use of "profanity" in posts where it had never mattered before, especially on a damn music piracy website on the free internet. Someone also pointed out that my sig at the time also featured profanity, but apparently that doesn't count.

I really hate people who side with the management without thinking on their own, but oh well. I personally don't agree with the way he's handling business. It's meddlesome and obnoxious and mostly unnecessary. But if you prefer to be treated like a child and do what you're told, don't let me stop you.

agreeing with rules that make sense to me is not identical with being childish.

i prefer a different kind of language indeed, so it does make sense to me.
you do not agree with it: that is just as ok as agreeing is, agreeing or not agreeing does not even make him good or bad as a mod.
At some point I might do something or express myself a way that will make him intervene, I am willing to accept that, because I accept him as a mod.

I personally don't appreciate or see the need for profanity. In 99.9% of instances, it can be replaced with appropriate language and still make the same point. I personally find filthy language/blasphemy offensive. If it's a forum rule here, or someone in authority here doesn't allow it, we, as regular members, ought to respect them and their wishes and learn the meaning of the word 'synonym'. It's really not that big of a deal.

Cluckyou - You're the one who's having to be treated like a child because of your behaviour, not us. If you abide by the basic, reasonable rules here, you don't have to be treated like a child anymore. Simple as that.

I actually laughed when I read what Sparky wrote on your infraction notice. He has the right and authority to write what he wrote, and I don't think it's in the least bit unreasonable.

But I guess my opinion is one of a kind here.

So where is the Ruleset for this site that states clucky can't use profanity except in NSFW Threads ?
Moderators have to act within the stated Rules of their site, and use reasonable judgement.

Absolutely laughable to censor something like this.

I'm surprised that Sparktank even considered taking on the mod role here... I know i wouldn't. Far too many trolls and hide-behind-the-keyboard bullies here.

But i for one am glad that he started cleaning up among the threads because i'm tired of wading through tons of threads and posts looking for something specific and the only "useful" info being dead links. I also think it's great that people contribute with mirrors or alternative formats, but i also wish they could contact a mod or the OP to get that info edited into the first post as well :)

So where is the Ruleset for this site that states clucky can't use profanity except in NSFW Threads ?
Moderators have to act within the stated Rules of their site, and use reasonable judgement.

Absolutely laughable to censor something like this.

see FAQ:

What if I see something offensive?

You will find 'Report' links in many places throughout the board. These links allow you to alert the board staff to anything which you find to be offensive, objectionable or illegal.

it is always difficult to decide what is offensive and what is not.
treating each other with respect is helpful ;)
something that is a joke to you can be disturbing, annoying or offensive for others.

... and an almost excessive use of smilies help as well ;) I have been misunderstood lots of times just because i assume people know when i'm joking

This whole back and forth is getting really boring, but I do want to address a couple last things.

sorei, you have the right to "accept" Sparktank as your mod. That is your choice; I don't give a shit. Obviously the rest of us have no choice in the matter.

Sully, it doesn't surprise me one bit that you're siding with the management on this. Not a bit.

It's lame how quickly people fall in line and hide behind established rules, whether they're being made up on the fly or not. Like lambs to the slaughter. There's nothing new going on here. Sorry that I don't fit into your preconceived notions of how a functioning member of society should behave. I've seen a lot of bullshit on these forums that I've said nothing about. This time, I chose to speak up and make my point heard.

My use of profanity in the thread in question felt justified given the ridiculous amount of politics involved in whether or not someone could PM someone else and ask for a link. It was indicative of how frustrated I was becoming of the whole scene in general. Just skip the middle man and go straight to the source. I don't agree with anyone's decision to intervene and take my freedom of expression away from me.

You know what else I don't agree with? Hypocrisy. And you don't have to look back too far to see Sparky's own track record. Just because he's been labeled a "mod" now doesn't forgive all his past transgressions in one fell swoop. He's not a completely separate entity all of a sudden. And his decision to end his PM with "All the best, Final Fantasy Shrine Forums" is just rubbing salt in the wound. I very much doubt that his personal actions represent the entire community as a whole. But like I said, that's just me.

:facepalm:

How's it called? Some sort of syndrome we all get when we get power.

When I re-opened the thread, I did warn people. I was very clear on that.

Look This Whole Argument Is Just Pointless.

Sparky Is A Mod. Done Full Stop. Nothing Can Be Done If You Hate It Then That Is Your Opinion. Nothing You Can Do. So Just Deal With It. Its Happned.

Now Get On With Your Buissness.... :facepalm:

I Need A Drink.......

Why Should I

I'm Not Pissed Off At All, I Am Stateing Facts. If I Where Angry You Would Know. So No.

I have to agree with Mr Gold again here. Really, he's right. This thread is now (and kinda always was) pointless. Sparky is a mod, and nothing you can say here will change that. I think you've made yourselves quite clear enough that you hate his style of moderation. I think he's now fully aware of it. Sarah is also aware of it. So that's all there is to do. It's not as if ranting over it will achieve anything more than it already has done - nothing.

Ponyo

What does annoy me is the way you talk to me.
And the stuff you post to me, sometimes can be offensive and insulting. :( but i am saying no more on the matter.

Mr. Gold, please get out of this thread

That's kinda rude, Ponyo. I'd advise you to be careful how you say things. I don't think you mean to offend people, but if you're not careful that's what's gonna start happening. You come across sometimes as a little condescending.

Of course. You're right.

sarcasm detector bleeping in the background

Oh. Really? Like what you posted in sulley' thread...


Mr. Gold I think you really have some sickness or a really bad temper.

That was really painful after our talk. And you act like its funny? I see.

Let's find a nice big rug to sweep all this crap under. :)

Okay, so I tell him to get out because these kind of threads only stress him out, and I'm the bad guy.

Alright :)

I somehow don't think you're saying these things out of personal concern for Mr Gold's health. Telling someone to "get out" when they have just as much right to be here as you do is out of order.

Oh no. Don't stop that low.

Think what you want. I ain't partaking in useless drama for stupid reasons.

I already explained myself in that thread. And apologized. I wasn't refering to what you mean. If you're gonna be all your damned life remembering it to me to feel yourself better. Alright.

It is not an excuse. It is an example if how you talk to me. I never talk to you like that. But anyways i see no need to carry on anymore.

Oh no. Don't stop that low.

Think what you want. I ain't partaking in useless drama for stupid reasons.

I already explained myself in that thread. And apologized. I wasn't refering to what you mean. If you're gonna be all your damned life remembering it to me to feel yourself better. Alright.

You may well not have been referring to that, but that's not the point. If you'd said that to me I'd have been just as offended as Mr Gold. It was just rude and unkind anyway.

mmmm crap.

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I didn't know you were me and know exactly how I meant it! Damn. I'm sorry, you must be right.

100% mean it out of "personal concert for Mr. Gold's health". That isn't sarcasm. But of course, you wanna say it etherwise, mister blue monster must be right. I guess my word isn't trustworthy.

If you really cared about him, I'd have thought you'd word your comments much more kindly. Telling Mr Gold to "please get out of this thread" isn't kind. It's rude. But maybe you didn't mean it to be. If so, perhaps take a little more time in future to think about how your comments are going to be read by others?

All the time? Forgetting the times I've been nice to you, I see? It always happen to people. They feel the need to completely throw mistakes in a face every day, every second of the day, but suddenly forget the good deeds that person has done. It is an excuse. I talk nicely to you and you know it. Just because I've told you twice to get out of these kind of threads for your own good, doesn't mean I talk to you bad all the time.
I never said all the time.

Anyway, I really don't have time for any more of this nonsense. This argument is threatening to disrupt friendships and cause much more trouble. And I really don't want that. So, as of now, I am going to unsubscribe from this thread. I've got a lot of work to do.

Night all.

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for fucks sake someone close this thread already!

banaaaanaaaaaaa

So wait, let me get this: If I say Fuck/Shit/god damn/motherfucker or any of the assorted flowery language I regularly use in the first world I get a warning ? well, god damn it, that fucking motherfucker of a forum is going to god damn shit...

That's been ever since Spark is admin.

Spark is the reason of the downfall of the forum guise

ok no just joking xD

good thing he's not the anime score mod. or me and a few other would be in trouble.

on these words, yaaaaaar. back to tidying some shit up.

That's been ever since Spark is admin.

*mod
:smrt:

Jessie and Sarah (and others?) are Admins.
I'm not sure of the whole hierarchy myself.

I'm not gunning for the Iron Throne, either. :laugh:
I have no dragons :sad:

Damn; I'm so used to being the subject of this kind of threads, it almost feels weird being here like… Just, damn. I don't have much to add to the topic, aside from bits of, what do you call it? "Food for thought"?

- I've read someone not being comfortable with the feeling of being under surveillance. Sorry to break it to you, but a member of the Staff is supposed to keep a pair of watchful eyes over you and, yes, that may include also watching and fixing your language for you, if he/she deems it necessary. Oh, right, this seems a good time to remind you that back when you signed up and created your Shrine account, you've also agreed to a point of the Terms of Service stating something along the lines of: "you're okay knowing that a member of the Staff may edit/remove your message at his/her own discretion". Though I don't know most of my co-workers in the Staff that well, the group doesn't strike me as being comprised of folks which would abuse their powers, though if you want my personal opinion both as an individual and a moderator, I find that the Shrine could use badly more of an "Iron fist", as far as appliance of the rules is concerned, there's a reason the situation is as bad as it is.

- Anyone who has known me back when I wasn't even a moderator knows all too well I'm not one to mince words, so let's not beat around the bush: this useless crap is one big clusterfuck and both "sides" are to blame partially, I think. cluckyou, or whoever you are, frankly speaking, this pitiful example of thread/silliness could have been avoided on your part, have you tried contacting Sparktank privately to share your piece of mind on the "issue"? I can only speak for myself, so you may not find much comfort from my words, but it's not unlikely for members of the Staff group to butt heads between each other, don't assume that each one of us kisses the management's ass or, again, that the management always has our backs when our actions are concerned. We're humans, we may screw up, we may reconsider our actions and fix our mistakes at the best of our possibilities.

Sparktank, first and foremost welcome to the group, sorry that it happens under these circumstances, but you've got your trial of fire, already, you show promise and it's a compliment if it comes from me. Now, while I'm sure you mean well with your actions, you should have been here long enough to know what are the more pressing issues of the forum. Unless there have been changes I wasn't notified of, take into account what you've "witnessed", I mean, what you've seen get "moderated".

Are we actively discouraging use of profanity now? Fuck, double-fuck, as far as I'm concerned. I know it comes off as a horrible pun, but I swear on my daughter's head it is not: when did things change, if indeed they, huh, did? I don't recall seeing profanity censored, as long as it isn't a mean to insult some other users, we've mostly left it alone.

You do realize I was joking?

:eye:

why the flying fuck is this fucking thread still fucking open? jesus fisting christ with a flaming rhino-penis, enough of this shit.
now people that i have never fucking seen outside the fucking music forum are posting shitty posts here! WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT IS GOING ON HERE?


FUCK!

why the flying fuck is this fucking thread still fucking open?

Because Sparky still wants to spy on us, and on this thread some more.
I would recommend leaving if you're so agitated, ROKUSHO.

as long as it isn't a mean to insult some other users, we've mostly left it alone.

I'll keep that in mind.

2. ROKUSHO is just a troll. Please just ignore him and his stupidness, don't take him serious.




no im not. and stop using a word you clearly have no knowledge of what it means (on the internet).

also slurpuff, i was being sarcastic. (but i AM serious on why this thread is still open

Profanity is fine when used in moderation, but if it's starting to get overused in a heated debate then things tend to turn sour, everyone gets hostile and all shit breaks loose.

So just keep things friendly when using it, please.

Thanks.