My dear friends,

I want to give you a little present in return for all the great things you shared:

"Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith - Finale"
Film version including the long awaited and unreleased "Padme's Funeral".

This is my personal edit of the original film length version with extrem high quality sound (based on a 24bit lossless source) with absolutly no SFX.

1 Track - 11:00min. (Mp3 320kb)

May the force be with you (http://freakshare.com/files/dlshyf4h/fiver.rar.html)
Password: shrine

It is just for you guys, so please don't share the link.

Enjoy
Robga

Fantastic share, thank you.

Thank you very much!

Awesome. Thank you! :D

Thanks!! Do you have a complete set?

Oh my, I was just thinking of this track about a week ago

Thank you so much for this !!

Where this track came from ?? A Blu-Ray rip ? Real sessions ? ... Anyway, great track !! :)

There's 'sessions' floating about that are just fan edits. So I'm approaching this with skepticism that it's probably from that.

EDIT: Padme's Funeral is from a set I made but never publicly posted. Yes, this is a fan edit.

Still looking for the real sessions for the Star Wars movies. Can anyone help or point me in the right direction?

There's 'sessions' floating about that are just fan edits. So I'm approaching this with skepticism that it's probably from that.

EDIT: Padme's Funeral is from a set I made but never publicly posted. Yes, this is a fan edit.

I am sorry, but this is not from your or any other set. In fact I ripped the lossless dtshd master audio track in 24bit and cleaned and edited every bit of sfx myself. I saw that everyone is looking for Padme's Funeral, so I wanted to contribute something to our community. I spend a lot of time on it and I think it is as perfect as it can be. Listening to the crystal clear 24 bit flac version right now ;)

Thnk you, this is fantastic! Could you rip and clean the opera talking scene too?

thanks :D

Thanks robga - much appreciated !

My dear friends,

I want to give you a little present in return for all the great things you shared:

"Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith - Finale"
Film version including the long awaited and unreleased "Padme's Funeral" without any SFX.

1 Track - 11:00min. (Mp3 320kb)

May the force be with you (http://freakshare.com/files/dlshyf4h/fiver.rar.html)
Password: shrine

It is just for you guys, so please don't share the link.

Enjoy
Robga


I am sorry, but this is not from your or any other set. In fact I ripped the lossless dtshd master audio track in 24bit and cleaned and edited every bit of sfx myself. I saw that everyone is looking for Padme's Funeral, so I wanted to contribute something to our community. I spend a lot of time on it and I think it is as perfect as it can be. Listening to the crystal clear 24 bit flac version right now ;)
Most excellent, thanks!


Thnk you, this is fantastic! Could you rip and clean the opera talking scene too?

But the opera scene, sans any trace of dialogue and SFX has been available for some time.

But the opera scene, sans any trace of dialogue and SFX has been available for some time.

Unfortunately no. A massive part of music is still missing even in the complete versions of the score.

Thank you! Such an amazing track, and Sith is my favorite of all the six scores....so thanks again, maybe you'll share your complete set as well someday...

.. I will confess that I teared up listening to this. Thank you so much!

Still looking for the real sessions for the Star Wars movies. Can anyone help or point me in the right direction?

Besides from looking for them, I am really interested in knowing IF the sessions are out there in some collector's hands, and if there is hope that they will see the light of day sometime. I know there were plans of releasing the PT Complete Scores a few years back, but they decided not to release them.

Besides from looking for them, I am really interested in knowing IF the sessions are out there in some collector's hands, and if there is hope that they will see the light of day sometime. I know there were plans of releasing the PT Complete Scores a few years back, but they decided not to release them.

Were there ever any plans? I've never actually found evidence to support this.


I am sorry, but this is not from your or any other set. In fact I ripped the lossless dtshd master audio track in 24bit and cleaned and edited every bit of sfx myself. I saw that everyone is looking for Padme's Funeral, so I wanted to contribute something to our community. I spend a lot of time on it and I think it is as perfect as it can be. Listening to the crystal clear 24 bit flac version right now ;)

If this is the case, then please make this clear from the initial post. A lot of people seem to have believed these come from the recording sessions, and the edits here sound uncannily like edits I myself have made and others too, which is what lead me to believe you had taken the material from existing fan edits.

Were there ever any plans? I've never actually found evidence to support this.



This is all I could find:

http://www.starwars-union.de/nachrichten/8037/2007_Soundtrack-Box_und_neue_DVD-Box_-_Nachrichten/

To summarize it in english: "T'Bone", well known for his site in the past few years, broke the rumor in 2007 about a release of the new DVD box sets for SW and Indy, and about the release of the Complete OST of all six films.
Besides that news, I read a year or two later that Sony already made press releases for the PT OSTs, but decided to leave them in the drawer for unknown reasons.

If this is the case, then please make this clear from the initial post. A lot of people seem to have believed these come from the recording sessions, and the edits here sound uncannily like edits I myself have made and others too, which is what lead me to believe you had taken the material from existing fan edits.

I will edit the initial post. I don't know your version, because you did not share it, but I know every version out there. I have almost 10 different "complete" or "extended" sets and not one features an enjoyable version of padme's funeral. They have SFX or are short edits with horrible sound. My edit is the original film length version with extrem high quality sound and absolutly no SFX. I really would like to hear your version.

Thanks.

That was extremely enjoyable. Thanks robga.

Besides from looking for them, I am really interested in knowing IF the sessions are out there in some collector's hands, and if there is hope that they will see the light of day sometime. I know there were plans of releasing the PT Complete Scores a few years back, but they decided not to release them.

No, nothing. IF they are, it is super private and will NEVER show here.

The OT special editions are complete. All music heard in the film is in them. Just not always film edits, which is a process that happens after the composer does his thing. The SE sets also contain many unedited full tracks as originally recorded and then edited for the film. The Phantom Menace SE likewise contains all music from the film, although not in a way most fans like. The only films lacking are Clones and Sith. Period. Many re-edit the things in various ways, rename them and call them complete. There is never new music, just re-edited tracks. One could call them expanded in that the suites are broken up. The only hope for more music would be true sessions, but the only new music would be alt takes. Since everything used in the movie is present, although often combined cues.

I am sorry, but this is not from your or any other set. In fact I ripped the lossless dtshd master audio track in 24bit and cleaned and edited every bit of sfx myself. I saw that everyone is looking for Padme's Funeral, so I wanted to contribute something to our community. I spend a lot of time on it and I think it is as perfect as it can be. Listening to the crystal clear 24 bit flac version right now ;)

Thank you for all your work, but i expected exactly your FLAC-Version instead of the MP3-Version!
Can you maybe upload that too, please? Thank you very much!

Thank you

Thanks for your effort!

Thank you for the share robga.

Thank you very much!

No, nothing. IF they are, it is super private and will NEVER show here.

Thanks Amanda :) Sad to hear that, but I got that feeling about this situation anyway :/

From what I understand, after the "pitchfork and torch" reaction of the "townspeople" over The Phantom Menace UE, they ultimately decided to scrap any plans for giving AOTC and ROTS the same treatment. The later mention of doing so to coincide with the BluRay release of the films, was sadly just that, a mention.

Thank you!

The same villagers are up in arms about the special editions and blu-ray changes, yet Lucas just keep releasing them. :b

The OT special editions are complete. All music heard in the film is in them. Just not always film edits.

Nope.

some music from ESB is missing, and there is some music from ROTJ missing.

No, it is not. What is "missing" are film edits of cues, which is not the same thing at all. I have listened to other edits. There is nothing there i cannot hear on the ASE.

The same villagers are up in arms about the special editions and blu-ray changes, yet Lucas just keep releasing them. :b

True, but Lucas doesn't really throw his weight around when it comes to the score releases. We need John Williams (irritated over constant editing and rearranging of his PT scores) and Sony (butthurt over fans reaction to TPM UE) to do that.

Who knows, now that Disney is in charge, maybe the score rights will go to their Hollywood label, and maybe THEY will be able to pull off complete PT score releases?

I doubt any already released music will be affected. I am curious about the new album, but Disney is not known for releasing well rounded scores.

I doubt any already released music will be affected. I am curious about the new album, but Disney is not known for releasing well rounded scores.

True, but they've been known to go all out when taking on new ventures. For example, almost 25 years ago now, when Hollywood Records bought the music rights of rock band Queen, they not only released their current album, but also exhaustively and meticulously remastered and re-released their entire catalogue... 15 albums, each with bonus tracks consisting of previously unreleased material (studio and live cuts), b-sides and remixes. Now, of course that's Queen, but hey this is Star Wars! If they deem it profitable to do, one can hope they may do it!

Consider that The Avengers is a new acquisition - a popular one - and the OST is all there is....

Consider that The Avengers is a new acquisition - a popular one - and the OST is all there is....

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That is noit an official release though. We are discussing the possibility o more Special Edition releases, not various bootlegs.

oh i see well i wouldnt consider the avengers complete score a bootleg i mean i know its not official but its certainly not a boot

Thanks!

anything that is not released as an official label album falls under the umbrella of bootleg. If it is not official, it is a boot. Now, what type is different. Leaked sessions, composer promos....all bootlegs by definition.

Consider that The Avengers is a new acquisition - a popular one - and the OST is all there is....

First of all, wasn't The Avengers an Intrada release?

Second of all, there's a HUGE difference between, releasing a CURRENT film score (no label would have released a complete score right off the bat, to a new film!) and obtaining the rights to older, highly popular, STAR WARS scores.

Apples and Oranges.

It won't happen. Ever. Mark my words. If you are hoping for that, you will be sorely disappointed. Avengers is a Disney film released on Intrada. Still not a well presented album. What makes you think Star Wars will fare any better. Disney does not release full albums, nor have they allowed full albums on any of the recent franchizes. What we forget is the average person could care less about the soundtracks, let alone "complete" albums. Ask them about Star Wars music, and they know the main title and Imperial theme. Tops. And that is all the **want** to hear.

I think if John Williams isn't promised good releases, he'd probably just retire the scores. I could see him doing that. Maybe it would teach Disney a lesson.

Williams is part of the problem. The original 2 cd release was his baby. He chose the tracks and order, for a "good listening experience". Composers don't tend to care for "complete" score, feeling that it is not necessary.

My dear friends,

I want to give you a little present in return for all the great things you shared:

"Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith - Finale"
Film version including the long awaited and unreleased "Padme's Funeral".

This is my personal edit of the original film length version with extrem high quality sound (based on a 24bit lossless source) with absolutly no SFX.

1 Track - 11:00min. (Mp3 320kb)

May the force be with you (http://freakshare.com/files/dlshyf4h/fiver.rar.html)
Password: shrine

It is just for you guys, so please don't share the link.

Enjoy
Robga

Thank you, Robga, sounds fantastic. Very nicely done.


I am sorry, but this is not from your or any other set. In fact I ripped the lossless dtshd master audio track in 24bit and cleaned and edited every bit of sfx myself. I saw that everyone is looking for Padme's Funeral, so I wanted to contribute something to our community. I spend a lot of time on it and I think it is as perfect as it can be. Listening to the crystal clear 24 bit flac version right now ;)

Share please? I'd love to hear this and whatever else you've cleaned up and edited from RotS in lossless. Listening to your Finale track is sorely tempting me to dust off my old RotS film version edit...

I will edit the initial post. I don't know your version, because you did not share it, but I know every version out there. I have almost 10 different "complete" or "extended" sets and not one features an enjoyable version of padme's funeral. They have SFX or are short edits with horrible sound. My edit is the original film length version with extrem high quality sound and absolutly no SFX. I really would like to hear your version.

Padme's Funeral without SFX has been around for years. The version I am talking about is from 2008. I'm not sure which set it is from... like you, I have all the fan edits out there. I compiled my own set using the best from each. Thanks for sharing, though.

No, it is not. What is "missing" are film edits of cues, which is not the same thing at all. I have listened to other edits. There is nothing there i cannot hear on the ASE.

There's an alternate finale that was never released with a slightly softer ending for TESB (instead of being the loud orchestra hit at the end that mixes into end credits, it's instead a softer fade). There's also the shorter end credits suite which got botched in the anthology (Yoda's theme is more expanded in the film - this is an insert put in to extend the theme and its ending mixes into the Imperial March). Though technically it was released, just mis-edited (part of the original is on the bonus disc of the anthology, the rest is on the main TESB disc).

ROTJ Doesn't include all of the source music, nor does it contain the Jabba The Hutt concert suite (Partially heard on the Anthology). There are also some incorrect takes used, and the intro to End Credits on the SE is wrong: it's taken from TESB then mixed into ROTJ's end credits. Nor does it contain any version of "Ewok Celebration" which can so far be heard only on the Anthology and OST releases.

This means neither are actually 'complete'.

ANH is the only one I'd say is actually complete. As for TPM, the Ultimate Edition's not exactly an isolated score, some edits were made to certain pieces (IE The Flag Parade, Sebulba's Dirty Hand/Pep Talk). I have no idea what they were doing with TPM, to be honest. And I've only ever heard rumours they were ever going to do the same with AotC and RotS.

I do agree, however, that it is highly unlikely that any more complete releases will be made, but I'm not going to say it's impossible. It's certainly alot more likely to happen than the recording sessions turning up anyways. I know there are fakes floating around based off fan edits.

But like I said, I discount missing alternates and source music and film edits from my definition of "complete". Going down that road, until we have a full sessions with every insert/alt, AND all film edits with source music then it would never be complete. That I think we agree will never happen. So I guess it is just what 3 second bit here and there you feel you need. :/

But like I said, I discount missing alternates and source music and film edits from my definition of "complete". Going down that road, until we have a full sessions with every insert/alt, AND all film edits with source music then it would never be complete. That I think we agree will never happen. So I guess it is just what 3 second bit here and there you feel you need. :/

Not sure why people think the complete scores won't be released.... I think it's a matter of when, not if. We probably won't get anything good from Sony, which holds distribution rights for another 5 years or so. Also, Disney may not release the complete scores, but if Intrada can get their hands on them, we'll get some great releases. Intrada has given us some excellent complete scores from Disney movies that Disney otherwise wouldn't have released.

I agree. IF LLL or Intrada get involved. Or varese. Their Nemesis and Abyss albums are nice. But remember, for the original trilogy we have very nearly all of it. So what else would they provide? But for Clones and Sith...who knows. I just do not get the feeling it will happen, or that we'll necessarily like the results. :b

For the OT, it's not necessarily a matter of content, but quality. We still have mixes from 1997 and technology has come a long way since then. It's been reported that better quality masters for ROTJ have been discovered and ESB just needs an overhaul in the mixing department (although the sound quality is good). All the OT scores could benefit from an overhaul and finally give us a comprehensive, high quality release and be done with it. As for the PT scores, they all need to be officially expanded in an unaltered form... as in not a TPM Ultimate Edition. If Intrada (or whoever gains distribution rights) isn't restricted in regards to the releasing the Star Wars scores in an expanded form, then I'm sure we wouldn't be disappointed. :-)

Ummmm...well, but sometimes mastering of stuff these days is about volume and noise, and Intrada et al are not immune to that phenomenon.

Ummmm...well, but sometimes mastering of stuff these days is about volume and noise, and Intrada et al are not immune to that phenomenon.

Yes, but they are faithful to way it is supposed to sound. The people behind those labels love and respect the music they release. I haven't heard a expanded release from one of those labels that didn't sound better than it's predecessor. ESB and ROTJ are in a desperate need of remastering. And as good as Star Wars sounds, I'm sure noticeable improvements can be made. The PT just needs a proper expanded release. Incidentally, the 2" 16-track first-generation master for Star Wars was sold on eBay a few months ago, but a label reported that those same masters were digitally preserved by Lucasfilm well before they were put up for sale, which may or may not provide as a better source for a new release.

Maybe. Perhaps. Might be....I dunno. There is really no way to know, and I personally see no hope. But, we'll see eventually, I guess. The spiffy 3D maglement trashing of..errr...I mean **release** will be soon. Maybe then?

Possibly or on the 40th anniversary of Star Wars, but I wouldn't expect anything worthwhile from Sony. If they release anything, it will probably be a re-issue with new artwork.

It won't happen. Ever. Mark my words. If you are hoping for that, you will be sorely disappointed.
"Only Sith deal in absolutes." ;)

Yea, so they say. I didn't see no Obi-Wan deciding to compromise wit no one....:D

Empire and Jedi are complete. No idea why people would think otherwise.

It's a matter of definition. Parts of score as heard i the film are not heard that way on the albums. Some want film version some want the album version. No release (official release....) contains both. They did the SE sets and fans moaned. So they went film version (sort of) with Phantom Menace and fans revolted. The only acceptable album seems to be a 6 disc box set for each that contains film version, album version, concert suites, alternate versions and a guy playing Williams' first draft on a kazoo...:D

NO KAZOO VERSION? REVOLT! ;)

I just checked my ESB releases and I have the version of the ending gg is talking about, or at least the way he's describing it. *shrug*.

I dunno either. But whatever. Whatever may be missing is a matter of mere seconds....

Yes, but they are faithful to way it is supposed to sound. The people behind those labels love and respect the music they release. I haven't heard a expanded release from one of those labels that didn't sound better than it's predecessor. ESB and ROTJ are in a desperate need of remastering. And as good as Star Wars sounds, I'm sure noticeable improvements can be made. The PT just needs a proper expanded release. Incidentally, the 2" 16-track first-generation master for Star Wars was sold on eBay a few months ago, but a label reported that those same masters were digitally preserved by Lucasfilm well before they were put up for sale, which may or may not provide as a better source for a new release.
I agree with that (faithful remastering etc) except in one case in particular... The LaLaLand release of the complete Batman (1989) score sounds pretty bad when compared to the original release. The one they even remastered and placed on disc 2... It sounds better than the complete version on disc 1! Disc 1 is full of tape hiss and it's almost all mid-range and treble. The lower end is suspiciously missing in the mix of most of the cues. Some of the higher registered cymbal crescendos are ear piercing! How the hell did they manage that, let alone let it escape like that? Especially considering the original OST from 20+ years earlier sounds so good?

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Yea, so they say. I didn't see no Obi-Wan deciding to compromise wit no one....:D

Yeah. I always thought that was a weird line... He's saying that "only Sith deal in absolutes" as if it's... absolute. Curious, that.

I have now watched the blu-ray trilogies, Clone Wars, and all 5 seasons of The Clone wars in a week. It is clear to me, that aside from Vader's story, it is the corruption and ultimate fall of the Jedi. That council was arrogant and corrupt. Half of what was easily prevented, and certainly the last act could have gone far differently......

Empire and Jedi are complete. No idea why people would think otherwise.

People don't think otherwise, they know otherwise. They aren't complete and ggctuk2005 provided what was missing in another thread. Even if they were complete, they still need to be remastered.

Here are some links that talk about what is wrong with the SE releases and what is still unreleased.

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (soundtrack) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_V:_The_Empire_Strikes_Back_%28so undtrack%29)

Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (soundtrack) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi_%28soundt rack%29)

People don't think otherwise, they know otherwise. They aren't complete and ggctuk2005 provided what was missing in another thread. Even if they were complete, they still need to be remastered.

Remastered and complete are two different things, and according to his description, I have what he says doesn't exist. But, I've been collecting for a lot longer than most people here, so....

Remastered and complete are two different things, and according to his description, I have what he says doesn't exist. But, I've been collecting for a lot longer than most people here, so....

I'm talking about what is what been made officially available... not material from DVD/Blu-rips, bootlegs, etc. And based on what has been officially released for ESB and ROTJ, they aren't complete. The wikipedia links go further into what is still unreleased from the films.

Still no links or better description which makes me wonder what the hell you're talking about.

The links in this post (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/star-wars-3-finale-film-version-incl-171407/3.html#post2643774).

Nice that you edited the post after.

"This is No Cave". The wiki article says it doesn't exist. I'm listening to it right now. OMG A WIKI ENTRY IS WRONG.
Same goes for the ending of Empire. It exists. I have it. Wiki is wrong.

I don' t know who wrote that wiki entry, but the entry itself is written like a 4th grader, and also has "citation needed". Come on....

Nice that you edited the post after.

"This is No Cave". The wiki article says it doesn't exist. I'm listening to it right now. OMG A WIKI ENTRY IS WRONG.
Same goes for the ending of Empire. It exists. I have it. Wiki is wrong.

The wiki didn't say it was unreleased... it says, "the Anthology release restored all of the music featured on the double LP of Empire, with the exception of "This is No Cave"." Doesn't say it doesn't exist...

Wait. Wait, wait. Ok. The Anthology is in no way complete nor the definitive source. Are we saying the SE is lacking any actual music, or that it is lacking cues as heard in the film, or as heard on the LP? Because the LP was constructed to be basically concert suites of mashed together cues composed that way by Williams to make a more listenable album. To that end, score was re-recorded even...The SE contains the score as was intended, but not necessarily as heard or previously presented. This is not the same thing at all. Can you members talk about it more, based on what YOU hear. I dismiss most wikki stuff along these lines, because, well....it's wikkie....

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HOWEVER, from wikki:


. The musical content featured the complete film score for the first time. It had all of the previously released tracks (restoring the Mynock Cave music which was left off the 1993 release), included extended versions of five of those tracks with previously unreleased material, and six brand new tracks of never before released music for a total of one hundred twenty-four minutes. All the tracks were digitally remastered for superior clarity of sound

that seems fairly clear. As to missing cues it says this:


The Special Edition release does not feature the film version of "Finale/End Title". The film version of "Luke's Nocturnal Visitor," which features an alternate ending, has never been released.

As I was saying before, this cannot be considered incomplete per se. Film edits are decisions made as the editing of the film progresses and even then were often not recorded that way. What is presented on the album are the complete cues as intended by Williams, but later edited to fit the film's pace for one reason or another. So essentially, NO music is truly missing from Empire.

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Here is the Jedi material:


Currently, several source cues and other material is unavailable. Many of these master tapes could not be located in time for the score's Special Edition release and are presumed lost.

These tracks include:

Jabba the Hutt's Concert Suite - All but the final portion of this original recording, incorrectly edited onto the end of the cue "Han Solo Returns" on the Anthology, remains unreleased. (This same portion is heard on the Return of the Jedi DVD menu as well).
Film Version of Lapti Nek (Original Source) - Several versions of this source cue written by John Williams' son Joseph are available. Currently available are the album version on the Anthology and an extended album version and an instrumental track released on an LP single. However, the film version has yet to be released.
English Version of Lapti Nek (Sung by Joseph Williams) - This cue can be heard partially in From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga, but remains unreleased.
Max Rebo Band Song (Sail Barge Dance) --Source Cue - This piece, performed by the resident musicians in Jabba's court (The Max Rebo Band) has never been released. It is heard after Chewbacca is taken away and also on Jabba's sail barge (hence its title). This cue can also be heard almost totally complete in From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga, but remains unreleased.
Unknown Source Cue - this cue is not used in the film but is credited to Joseph Williams. Nothing more is known.
Alternate Film Takes - Several cues such as "Superstructure Chase" are presented on the SE using incorrect and often flubbed takes.
Battle For Endor Insert - This insert can be heard in the film when Chewbacca and the Ewoks use the AT-ST to blow up another AT-ST and is similar to a section from the "The Forest Battle Concert Suite" but has never been released.
Ewok Celebration (Film Version) - Two versions of this cue have been released, however, neither preserves the actual original recording used in the film.

Cues Not On the Special Edition

Although released as the complete score, there are several cues not on the Special Edition that have been released on previous releases.

Lapti Nek (Album) - This is released on the Anthology Set and is replaced on the SE with Jedi Rocks.
Leia's News (Alternate) - This is released on the Anthology set. The film version however is heard on the SE.
Ewok Celebration (Ewok Source) - This is released on the Anthology set but is replaced on the SE with the new Celebration music written for the SE.
Ewok Celebration (Choir Source) - This is released on the Anthology set and is an alternate vocal mix (using only the choir, not the Ewok voices).

Now, I will grant this is a bit more interesting. The lost source material...probably cannot be rectified. Dunno. I admit the ambiance could be nice. Not essential, but nice. Now the [problem all SW fans must come to terms with. At this moment I do not believe the original Jabba Lapi Nek songs, nor the ewok celebration music will ever be re-released. As per Lucas' own decree, NO version of the films previous to the SE releases matter. Didn't happen. The material replaced in the SE is now considered the ONLY version valid. He will not release the unaltered films on blu-ray, so I figure the same holds true to the music. But I cede the point on Jedi. If you are presenting it for archival sake, then the source cues and original songs ought be present. Surely taking these from the LP can help? (though for this discussion on official albums that is besides the point.

Although, I will point out the Battle of Endor insert is an editing decision, and the cue was not written that way. As such it being lacking is not really a matter of being missing as such. It is the same film/album presentation issue.

Also, if I recall correctly (it's been 15+ years since I slavishly studied these scores) the film version of ESB's Finale that everyone's clamoring over and thusfar "unreleased" is merely a bit of already used music tracked onto the beginning of the released/ film version... I believe it's from one of the Yoda/Dagobah scenes. Hell, I made that edit years ago, as all the material has been released... Just not released edited/tracked together like that as, babydoll continually and accurately points out, it wasn't originally intended that way.

And if it were to be released that way, fans would protest (a la TPM UE).

Also, if I recall correctly (it's been 15+ years since I slavishly studied these scores) the film version of ESB's Finale that everyone's clamoring over and thusfar "unreleased" is merely a bit of already used music tracked onto the beginning of the released/ film version

The opening was tracked from "Yoda and the Force," but that's not the unreleased part. The finale heard in film is different than the version on the SE album. Try to match them and you won't be able to because it's a different take. It may be nitpicky and trivial, but it's still something that hasn't been released. I would think a release would be classified as complete if it contained at least all the music heard in the actual film. Also, I believe there was a small insert during the carbonite scene that hasn't been released... or it could have been tracked from elsewhere. I would have to listen to it again.

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The lost source material...probably cannot be rectified. Dunno. I admit the ambiance could be nice. Not essential, but nice. Now the [problem all SW fans must come to terms with. At this moment I do not believe the original Jabba Lapi Nek songs, nor the ewok celebration music will ever be re-released. As per Lucas' own decree, NO version of the films previous to the SE releases matter. Didn't happen. The material replaced in the SE is now considered the ONLY version valid. He will not release the unaltered films on blu-ray, so I figure the same holds true to the music. But I cede the point on Jedi. If you are presenting it for archival sake, then the source cues and original songs ought be present. Surely taking these from the LP can help? (though for this discussion on official albums that is besides the point.

Although, I will point out the Battle of Endor insert is an editing decision, and the cue was not written that way. As such it being lacking is not really a matter of being missing as such. It is the same film/album presentation issue.

I'm not so sure if those missing cues are actually missing. The soundboards at starwars.com feature an unreleased Jabba's barge cue, but it could have come from film stems. It's hard to say since nothing has announced what is lost and what isn't. Supposedly, high quality masters for ROTJ were discovered many years ago, which very well could contain the missing material.

I'm not sure if Lucas has control over how the scores are released, but that doesn't mean labels wouldn't respect his wishes if he didn't want pre-SE music to be included on a future release. It's hard to say and only time will tell. If the OUT is eventually released, then it's likely the pre-SE music would be released as well.

I could dig them doing a 3 disc set per film, like LLL's Trek the motion Picture. Get the score upfront, and then present alternates, demos and source cues. Could get pricey for the set that way though...I kinda don't believe the "lost tapes" thing. The blu-ray special features include a nice continuous fly through of the archives. Those people saved every prop, every eyeball, every sketch. With the score being so important and groundbreaking I find it hard to believe they "lost" it. Perhaps it was damaged etc but I just can't see it as misplaced...O.o

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Althoug I will say the cuts and inserts for the SE of Empire, like Vader's shuttle at the end, are very poorly done. Very choppy, and ruins the flow of the score there. (and recycling Jedi's footage in the hanger is a total cop. Write the new scene, animate the new scene, Christ. It did not NEED to be there anyway. But I digress).

According to some sources, the music was last given to those who created one of the ROTJ documentaries.. I don't remember which one, but it's the one that talks about Lapti Nek and has some Max Rebo music. Supposedly, they got lost/destroyed after the documentary was completed. But, a short section from one of the unreleased Max Rebo songs can be heard on the star wars soundboard at starwars.com. It's in mono, but the quality is pretty good. That piece had to come from somewhere, though...

The supposedly missing tapes were used for the documentary "From Star Wars to Jedi - The Making of a Saga".

As for missing music from TESB, I know the original version (pre-SE) had a different ending to the cue when Yoda says "You will be..." than the version that is on the SE.

Maybe. Perhaps. Might be....I dunno. There is really no way to know, and I personally see no hope. But, we'll see eventually, I guess. The spiffy 3D maglement trashing of..errr...I mean **release** will be soon. Maybe then?

It's John Williams. It's Star Wars. The most iconic name in film scoring and the most iconic franchise in US entertainment history. It'll happen. Guaranteed. The only question is when. They'll definitely save it for some anniversary. And I'm talking about all the films, but ep 2 & 3 will be first up. Maybe on the 15th or 20th anniversary of each. And eventually the newer labels will get their crack at them.

Remember: we waited for almost twenty years just to get the expanded box set for the original trilogy. We just have to be patient.

Btw, I'm just talking about getting some sort of expanded/complete release of episodes 2 & 3 and then relayed of the stuff offered before. You guys/gals get off into all kinds of crazy detail levels here. I have to say, though, i personally prefer the composer's intended score over film edits (for reasons mentioned: choppy, sloppy, and down right ugly sometimes). A full presentation of the composer's intended score will always be complete to me.

Fortunately I found out that the statement that the Lapti Nek version was lost is false. Here in Germany, they released audio books (audio plays with the original german voice dubbers from the original OT characters) last year. They are the audio versions of the Dark Trilogy books. During one track Han Solo and Chewie are sitting in a kind of cantina. And in the background, this track is played quiet but in an excellent clear quality and in full length. I contacted the makers of the audio play, and they told me that they got exclusive audio and music material from Lucasfilm and their archives.

So spread the word: the complete Lapti Nek version is NOT LOST. It definitely exists.


According to some sources, the music was last given to those who created one of the ROTJ documentaries.. I don't remember which one, but it's the one that talks about Lapti Nek and has some Max Rebo music. Supposedly, they got lost/destroyed after the documentary was completed. But, a short section from one of the unreleased Max Rebo songs can be heard on the star wars soundboard at starwars.com. It's in mono, but the quality is pretty good. That piece had to come from somewhere, though...

Or, did when that audio was made anyway.

So spread the word: the complete Lapti Nek version is NOT LOST. It definitely exists.

Thanks for the information. Was it the vocal or instrumental version? And are you sure it was version used in the film?

Thanks for the information. Was it the vocal or instrumental version? And are you sure it was version used in the film?

It is the instrumental second version of Lapti Nek which is played in ROTJ when Jabba's sail barge is on its way to the Sarlacc pit. And yes, I am sure ;)

I don't think that piece of music heard on the barge (and also heard in Jabba's palace after the bargain for Chewbacca) is the instrumental version of Lapti Nek. Either way, it's a piece of source music I've always loved and have often wondered what it sounds like in its entirety.

Personally, while the film version of Lapti Nek appeals to the completist in me, I much prefer the replacement tune, Jedi Rocks. Lapti Nek sounds incredibly dated now, like something from a bad 1980s aerobics video.

There really may not BE any full version. Since the scene was edited like that, it could just be a snippet here or there, and instrumental bridge from an alt track...anything. The thing itself may not exist as a stand alone piece.

This is awesome sauce! Thanks so much!

There really may not BE any full version. Since the scene was edited like that, it could just be a snippet here or there, and instrumental bridge from an alt track...anything. The thing itself may not exist as a stand alone piece.

I can't see that happening, to be honest. I work in the music industry and when a piece of music is written, even if only a small part ends up being used, it is customary to record the piece in full - verse, chorus, middle eight etc. You'll recall that both cantina pieces in A New Hope were only heard in partial form in the film and yet, when released officially, there was more to them than was ever heard in the sequence in which they featured. Same with all the source music from Star Wars - Lapti Nek, Dexter's Diner, Ewok Celebration (both versions). So the evidence alone contradicts what you think, that and the fact that, as I said, it simply doesn't work that way.

Except all the others were released "for archival's sake", and these pieces have never even been talked about.

No, the cantina source music was released on the original score for A New Hope when it was still called Star Wars back in 1977.

And when you say these pieces have never been talked about, by whom? I've seen these pieces talked about plenty of times all over the place, not just this thread on this forum.

All this argument is ridiculous, neither ESB or ROTJ are completely complete, ESB is the closest to being complete.

ESB:

Yoda's Entrance (End Fix) we know this is not a edit, it's an actual insert/revised ending written by Williams
The Imperial Probe Insert (Granted we don't know if this is recorded or not)
Trouble In Prison Optional Ending (Same as above)

There also quite a few tracks that are film versions and alternates edited together in the same track.

ROTJ:

As with ESB there are quite a few tracks that are hybrid edits of Film Versions and Alternate versions, not to mention the sound quality is horrible compared to the original CD

Sail Barge Source
Ewok Battle Insert
Lapti Nek (Film Version, not edit)
Jabba The Hutt Concert Suite

End Credits Intro (The real ROTJ recording, instead of the ESB recording)

All this argument is ridiculous, neither ESB or ROTJ are completely complete, ESB is the closest to being complete.

ESB:

Yoda's Entrance (End Fix) we know this is not a edit, it's an actual insert/revised ending written by Williams
The Imperial Probe Insert (Granted we don't know if this is recorded or not)
Trouble In Prison Optional Ending (Same as above)

There also quite a few tracks that are film versions and alternates edited together in the same track.

ROTJ:

As with ESB there are quite a few tracks that are hybrid edits of Film Versions and Alternate versions, not to mention the sound quality is horrible compared to the original CD

Sail Barge Source
Ewok Battle Insert
Lapti Nek (Film Version, not edit)
Jabba The Hutt Concert Suite

End Credits Intro (The real ROTJ recording, instead of the ESB recording)

We already hashed that out over a page back. I feel Empire is as near as dammit and am fine with it. BUT I do agree Jedi is lacking without the archiving of the source music and original pre SE songs and ending.

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No, the cantina source music was released on the original score for A New Hope when it was still called Star Wars back in 1977.

And when you say these pieces have never been talked about, by whom? I've seen these pieces talked about plenty of times all over the place, not just this thread on this forum.

I mean in liner notes and documentary material talking about the making of and saving of the various music used on the various releases. Of course fans are talking about it but that was not what I was intending. I mean there is not a lot I saw that said it was ever done let alone missing. Though I have not really been tapped into that since before I owned a pc.

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Faleel, at this point I am not arguing complete or not. I am discussing the existence or not of the stuff that IS missing. I have found it an enjoyable and enlightening discussion, so how is that wrong?

And I was just pointing out that those things I listed DO exist (even if a few may exist only in sheet music form).

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I mean in liner notes and documentary material talking about the making of and saving of the various music used on the various releases.

There really has not been much of that anyways, the Liner notes didn't have a "tech talk form the producer's" section.

in other words "good PR".

I mispoke again. By whether they exist I do not mean did they exist. I am not questioning that they should be there but whether the material is lost or can still be found and restored. I am not fighting you. You guys pointed me to the relevant info and I conceded your point ant agree it is material that needs to be included. What...am I doing wrong?

BTW I was not targeting you, it just seems that there are some other people who are not reading us entirely correctly, sorry if I seemed to be attacking.

No worries. I am always happy to learn this stuff. It's interesting.

I am...questioning...whether the material is lost or can still be found and restored.

Well, the Yoda's Entrance "fix" is in the film, so if the master tapes for that insert/revision could not be found, they could always use the film stems for it, the same for any other cue that is in the film but cannot be found.

And for anyone that cannot spot the difference in the Yoda's Entrance ending, the film version has a descending harp "glide" followed by a woodwind (clarinet) line, where the SE/album has a harp line.

Well, the Yoda's Entrance "fix" is in the film, so if the master tapes for that insert/revision could not be found, they could always use the film stems for it, the same for any other cue that is in the film but cannot be found.

And for anyone that cannot spot the difference in the Yoda's Entrance ending, the film version has a descending harp "glide" followed by a woodwind (clarinet) line, where the SE/album has a harp line.

Sounds more like they repeated the woodwind twice in the film version. Nothing "missing" here.

Sorry for the off-topic... Amanda! I've been trying to PM you but it says you're switched off your messages... I have no other contact for you... :(

Thank you

Dear Robga, you are making many of us very happy!

Awesome work for an awesome piece of music.

It would be cool if you could use your skills to release more tracks from this score!

Thanks a lot!

Sounds more like they repeated the woodwind twice in the film version. Nothing "missing" here.

Cue lists (taken from the sheet music) say otherwise:

5M3 Yoda�s Entrance
5M3 End Fix

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) ? Complete Cue List | JOHN WILLIAMS Fan Network - JWFAN (http://www.jwfan.com/?p=4092)

I nitpick, but even that's too much of a nitpick for me.

It's a part of the session. It is not a nitpick if Williams intended for the correction before the final recording was done.Then, we do not have the actual sessions for these films. THAT is something that will not ever see an actual release. I have never head anyone whisper of legit session leaks floating around. But if it were written for the sessions and recorded, it is not unreasonalble that you present that as the official track and the other as an alt.

It's a nitpick to me because:

1) It was changed for the film.
2) It can be reproduced (repeating one measure in Audacity if you really, REALLY want it).
3) It's a single measure.

We're not talking an entire session of music that's missing. I'll live without this. I guess some people get really upset over a missing single measure.

It's not that. It was changed for the film, yes. But it was changed at the sessions level, and changed via a new recording bu Williams. It is not an editorial change made later during post production. Therefore it ought have been the piece chosen for the album.

I have far more important things to get upset over with respect to Star Wars than a measure of music. Three entire films have been desecrated.

:D I thought this was just an objective look at the score sort of discussion for the moment. I would not stress the films yet, the BD release changes were silly but are nothing to what I forsee for the upcoming 3D releases. I have a bad feeling about this....

Thank you

:D I thought this was just an objective look at the score sort of discussion for the moment. I would not stress the films yet, the BD release changes were silly but are nothing to what I forsee for the upcoming 3D releases. I have a bad feeling about this....

Precisely. We were on the subject of the scores themselves and not the films they represent.

Re-up?

Yes, please re-up :)

OOh reup?

Seriously, does anybody have this? The "complete" versions with still active links are full of sound f/x. Thanks.

Can somebody reup the track? I wan't to hear it...

Can someone re-up please. Like everyone else - I wanna hear this too ...

I'm all for the re-up

Reup (https://mega.nz/#!kpQRGRwL!mPIQ7V1LxiYDHDBCAeg5vw-p1Qdj0AwHUE29z3mzx5k). All credit to the OP.

Thanks, robga, and thanks to tosheii for the reup.