It was rigged. Over 50,000 people were illegally denied of theeir right to vote in the Florida election. Long explanation, but they were.

Anyway, yeah, that's true about the Subvs. Dub thing...except that in anime the lines are usually changed to accompany the lip movements. In FFVII, there were only text bubbles, so there was no need to deviate form the original text. While there was still a multitude to translate, there was no need to utilize time to change the text to make sure the characters didn't speak out of sync. Also, that was a pretty important scene, so I doubt it was taken lightly. I have a friend who can translate a page of Japanese manga to english in about 10 seconds flat. People like that get into translating. So.. it's not likely that something was mistranslated when you consider the conditions. Not impossible, but still unlikely.

That rumor about the Florida election being rigged is only partially true. Most of what's said is total bunk. The fact is (and I can support this) that the outcome was honest, no matter how dirty the proceedings were.

Well, if you look at it in one way...it was rigged. Master Nabeshin did made a very good point. Every state seriously need a new voting system...but that's just my thought.
Well,Master Nabeshin,
It's true. But videogames that come from Japan are like anime and can be mistranslated or translated to something easier. It's like that big debate on Aeris's name. It may just be text in bubbles but manga are like that too and I notice that some manga are translated wrong or close to the meaning. Eh, I guess its just based on the company's decision.

go aeris (ramdom)

Originally posted by Shinra Turk
I like Aeris much better. She seems to me as being the only charachter who is truley GOOD. You know?
I don't like Tifa that much....she needs to wear a bra.
I do, however, think she's AWESOME in the upcoming ADVENT CHILDREN movie. So lets just say I hate'er in the game and love'er in the movie.

But still, Aeris all the way

Well, Tifa I think wears a bra and her shirt isn't a sports bra, it's a tank top. I think she wears a sports bra under it and beleive it or not, they do have good sports bras for women with larger breasts, and mine works really well. I always loved Tifa's outfit in the game because I think it's hip and cool! That would be an outfit I would wear everyday!

About what "I want to meet you" in Japan, Aerith isn't a slut, but I'm not surprised on what it would it would mean because in Japan I know sex is okay on T.V. and they would want to make most of the characters in there sacred fiction sexually inclined. Doesn't mean they are sluts, but just want to love.

I just want to give a shout out to people, Tifa and Aerith are not sluts. They are lovers of only one man and that's Cloud. So that means they are not sluts. I just support Tifa and Cloud the best.

I just wish that people could look at tifa and aerith and not automatically think "slut!" Maybe Tifa's outfit is revealing, but look at her personality! She's not the kind of person that goes around showing off on purpose. I suppose it's just comfortable to fight in, and personally i think her outfit is really cool! Aerith is not a slut either. She's a nice person who just wants someone to love and someone to love her back. Same with Tifa. Maybe I'm talking too much like they're real people, but while im playing, thats how i picture them.

is there anyone else who likes Tifa AND Aerith??

I completely agree with lunatic high.
Also, why does my picture never show up under my screen name?

go to the assints thread . i think u need some think good to fight in , that u feel comfatble in , i would noe

Originally posted by Lunatic HighVII
I just wish that people could look at tifa and aerith and not automatically think "slut!" Maybe Tifa's outfit is revealing, but look at her personality! She's not the kind of person that goes around showing off on purpose. I suppose it's just comfortable to fight in, and personally i think her outfit is really cool! Aerith is not a slut either. She's a nice person who just wants someone to love and someone to love her back. Same with Tifa. Maybe I'm talking too much like they're real people, but while im playing, thats how i picture them.

is there anyone else who likes Tifa AND Aerith??

There's your answer right there! Tifa could not do all of her moves in a button down dress. It would be kinda hard doncha think? Of course my good friend Lunatic High VII knows I love Tifa and Aerith!

Aerith and Tifa wanted someone to love and Tifa needs to do all her moves. Now I know in AC her outfit is less revealing, but she wears shorts and not a dress to do all her moves. I think its too heavy on the back veiw, but her outfit is still cool! Besides folks, there are alot of other anime characters that wear alot less than Tifa! Doesn't automacally make them sluts right? Right. That's just the beautiful way of character design!

About what "I want to meet you" in Japan, Aerith isn't a slut, but I'm not surprised on what it would it would mean because in Japan I know sex is okay on T.V. and they would want to make most of the characters in there sacred fiction sexually inclined. Doesn't mean they are sluts, but just want to love.

LOL. Then if that's the case, I need to watch more japanese shows...gotta love em'.^.^

I love both Aerith and Tifa. Aerith is my favorite, but I find no reason why I shouldn't like Tifa as well. They're both beautiful people. Everyone has some stratches and dents, so why hold it against them?

I think that it is time for this thread to hit the road.

Originally posted by Smokey
I think that it is time for this thread to hit the road.

yeah, but Tifa will always win...

Originally posted by Master Nabeshin
Everyone has some stratches and dents, so why hold it against them?

Oh Yeah! Scratches and dents are just minor appearance so it's nothing. I have one mole on my back neck and a scar on my left wrist. You can't help it so no one should have anything against it. Tifa and Aerith are very beautiful characters. They're pretty.

Yeah. I was also talking about a tough history, dark secrets, and such.

Originally posted by Master Nabeshin
Yeah. I was also talking about a tough history, dark secrets, and such.

what dark secrets does aeris have? none! having a tough history doesn't make her unnattractive. now rethink and you will realise that Aeris and Tifa are attractive game characters, okay?

Aeris doesn't have any dark secrets but Tifa would. Why else would Cloud went to his downfall after all those secrets and lies from Tifa?

Why do you blame Tifa? I'm not telling you to stop your hate for her...she is a game character, after all, so it doesn't matter. But in the game it is obvious that she didn't intentionnaly LIE to Cloud. She was afraid to tell him the truth, because she loves him. Aeris fans say that Tifa lied to him during childhood, but then they can't even see the point of what she did.

I am an Aerith fan, I admit it, but I love Tifa too. I don't blame her for anything, I just prefer Aerith a tiny bit more than Tifa. Who couldn't love'em both? Neither of them deserve to be hated. I'm an Aerith fan but I don't think Tifa lied to him on purpose, she did love him and that's why she lied, but I still stand by what I said that Aerith and Cloud were the couple. Now that Aerith is gone that might change, but in FF VII, that's what was happening. So I'm hoping that I've proven you wrong that all Aerith fans think Tifa is a liar, because I don't.

Come to think of, you're right.She's not a liar. Iwas playin FFVII over, and I came back to that part were she lied. But I knew that she did it out of love. And as for Arieth, I laughed when Sephiroth finished her off(sorry all Arieth fans).But if she would've lived, I'd sayt Cloud would've went with her.

Hmm...Tifa_Martial_Artist,
So your telling me that's it not Tifa's fault? Hard to believe but yes, it was her fault anyway. She claims to be Cloud's friend and if she loved him, then she wouldn't had lied to him. Relationships count on trust too and if you can't even trust your spouse, then its gameover. Cloud ask her on numerous occasions on where she was, what happen that day, if she knew Zack.....and what did she do, ignore the subject or totally denied it. Even Cloud started to doubt her and was getting the feeling that she was hiding something. If she had told him a speck of truth, like Cloud had asked, maybe he wouldn't had went to his downfall.
And about Cloud's childhood, of course it was all lies. Tifa and Cloud weren't even friends at all, Cloud's childhood was a total mess, and one day at the well makes up his childhood ? That is total crap. Tifa even admitted to Cloud in memory lane that she didn't even knew him well. As I recall, little Cloud made a statement about Tifa and her stupid friends always laughing at every single thing...which would mean that she wasn't peer pressure into making fun and hurting Cloud's feelings. She was also part of it too until guilt kicked in.
The things she did to Cloud was not even out of love. It was only a way for her to keep an eye on Cloud and have him be close to her but of course, Cloud chose his own path...seeing that he's no longer have any strings attached to her.

ShinobiYuffie- You are totally right. Everything you say is true... it IS tifa's fault, but I don't believe Tifa intended to hurt him like that. she had feelings for him, that's why she lied. It's true that if she told him the truth, he wouldnt have his downfall. if you cant trust someone, theyre not really your friend. Tifa thought she was doing the right thing, but it turned out she didn't. Then later when cloud explains the truth in the highwind, it looks as if HES the one that lied.

Shinobiyuffie,
Those weren't really Tifa's friends who made fun of Cloud. Tifa had some communication problems and you can't blame her for it. It's normal to keep a crush on someone a secret especially at her age. I would've too if I wasn't ready. You shouldn't hate Tifa. If you really pay attention to the game, Tifa never made fun of Cloud, Tifa had her head down the whole time while the boys made fun of her. She never said she was sorry because she mentions that she didn't know Cloud was hurt. I wouldn't know either if I had my head down. Ya gotta cut her some slack. She did good.

Yeah, listen!

She was never mean to him at all, it was clear to me when I played. Is it possible to just forget your planet sized crush on someone? Hmm?

Originally posted by TifaGirl
Shinobiyuffie,
Those weren't really Tifa's friends who made fun of Cloud. Tifa had some communication problems and you can't blame her for it. It's normal to keep a crush on someone a secret especially at her age. I would've too if I wasn't ready. You shouldn't hate Tifa. If you really pay attention to the game, Tifa never made fun of Cloud, Tifa had her head down the whole time while the boys made fun of her. She never said she was sorry because she mentions that she didn't know Cloud was hurt. I wouldn't know either if I had my head down. Ya gotta cut her some slack. She did good.

yep, tifa just hung out with them, I don't think she really was close with them. they always made fun of cloud, but tifa never joined in, and she probbaly would have even stuck up for him if she wasnt so depressed by her mom's death. she wasnt close with cloud either, but she would never make fun of him. theres nothing wrong with aeris either... theyre both beautiful people... tell me, tifa_martial_artist... just out of curiosity, are you an anti-aerith, or do you just prefer tifa?

Originally posted by Smokey
I couldn't help it, but after reading one of Tifagirl's post, I had to start this thread. Sorry ^_^

So...

Tifa and Aeris, they both have their positives and negatives about them. We all debate which one is better suited for Cloud and all that, but that's not what this thread is about...

Which one would you rather spend a day at a festival with, a night at the movies with, sitting on the beach looking up at the stars?

LOL this forum turned into a Tifa vs. Aeris thread.We all ready have one of those! But I don't care if it didn't turn this thread would of went nowhere.

Nanaki_Wolf, this IS tifa vs aeris thread... hahahaha that's ok though.

Originally posted by Lunatic HighVII
Nanaki_Wolf, this IS tifa vs aeris thread... hahahaha that's ok though.

LOL!! I'm so stupid! *completely embarrassed*

It's okay don't worry 'bout it. i do that all the time...


but anyway, i like both aeris and tifa... so aeris vs tifa means nothing to me. i guess i prefer aerith but i love tifa too!

Sorry TifaGirl,
That's more like guilt after knowing what you do to a poor boy like Cloud who only wanted to make friends. Its the truth and little Cloud in memory lane even admitted himself that Tifa and her stupid friends were stupid always laughing at every single thing. She wasn't peer pressure...she was part of it too. That's proof from Cloud that he was hurt by her and her dumb friends. If she was peer pressure, I think Cloud woulda say something different...but no, she wasn't and that was guilt.

Originally posted by shinobiyuffie
Sorry TifaGirl,
That's more like guilt after knowing what you do to a poor boy like Cloud who only wanted to make friends. Its the truth and little Cloud in memory lane even admitted himself that Tifa and her stupid friends were stupid always laughing at every single thing. She wasn't peer pressure...she was part of it too. That's proof from Cloud that he was hurt by her and her dumb friends. If she was peer pressure, I think Cloud woulda say something different...but no, she wasn't and that was guilt.

Sigh! For the last time Tifa never laughed she had her head down while the boys laughed!

Tifagirl, would you DIE for Tifa? ;)

I think I can answer that for her... Yes, she would :D

but on the other hand, if Tifa died, so would TifaGirl because if you havn't noticed yet, Tifagirl IS Tifa. ;)

Originally posted by Lunatic HighVII
I think I can answer that for her... Yes, she would :D

but on the other hand, if Tifa died, so would TifaGirl because if you havn't noticed yet, Tifagirl IS Tifa. ;)
Yeah, and she also likes to be called Tifa in real life. Well, at least, that is what I call her when I talk to her.

Anyways, this discussion, I mean thread, is so done.

yeah, no offence Smokey, but she has got a better name and avatar than you, so if anyone asked you "would you die for that smoke alarm?" what would you say?

Originally posted by Sephiroth's Brother
yeah, no offence Smokey, but she has got a better name and avatar than you, so if anyone asked you "would you die for that smoke alarm?" what would you say?
Most usernames with some form of Final Fantasy character name are bad. There are a lot more with "Tifa" in the username than "Smoke", or something like that.

Uh no, I wouldn't die for that smoke alarm. It just goes with my username.

Well, TifaGirl,
If that was true, then I think that Cloud woulda say something different but he didn't. That one liner that he literally say does point out that Tifa was as much in it as the guy friends too. He was the biggest victim of that hurt and it really scarred him. My biggest sympathy is for Cloud, seeing what he went through to get where he is.

You're right. I agree with both of you in different ways... It's true, it's hard for Tifa fans to accept, but it's true that if Tifa would have just told Cloud the truth from teh beginning, he wouldn't be messed up. BUT, if she did tell him the truth, he would be confused still. Either way, Tifa should have told him the truth. She DID do it out of love and friendship, but it turned on her. Cloud made himself believe in his memories, which decieved him even more. All because Tifa couldn't allow herself to break the news to him, he had his downfall. Now he has breakdowns and confusion, and voices that haunt him at night.

Aerith on the other hand, had nothing to hidefrom Cloud because she didn't know him as well. I think Cloud needs Aerith to open him up, and that's why i prefer Aerith. She doesn't hide anything, she's out going, and she's honest. I have nothing against Tifa. My opinion is that Aerith and Cloud are better suited for each other. Even Yuffie could do that! Still, Cloud and Aerith all the way.

Originally posted by Smokey

Yeah, and she also likes to be called Tifa in real life. Well, at least, that is what I call her when I talk to her.

Anyways, this discussion, I mean thread, is so done.

Oh no no no no no. I go by Dot in real life, not Tifa. I just don't mind if people use Tifa on these forums.

Sorry, that'll be the last time I go off topic here.

Originally posted by Sephiroth's Brother
yeah, no offence Smokey, but she has got a better name and avatar than you, so if anyone asked you "would you die for that smoke alarm?" what would you say?

Sorry but that smoke alarm is superior.

But MY stick man with a balloon is cool also. ^_^.


BACK ON TOPIC

Tifa wins.

haha thats really funny!

anyway, as long as people don't stop posting this discussion isn't over. ;)
I vote Aeris and Tifa. They're both so nice and so sweet.

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Lunatic HighVII, the point of the thread IS TIFA VS. AERIS.

You can't chose them both.

Originally posted by SephirothBizzaro
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Lunatic HighVII, the point of the thread IS TIFA VS. AERIS.

You can't chose them both.

Hey, we're just trying to end the pointless war, because we know they're friends, so I choose them both too.

Originally posted by SephirothBizzaro
Lunatic HighVII, the point of the thread IS TIFA VS. AERIS.

You can't chose them both.
Actually, the <I>original</I> point of this thread was to determine which of these two girls was better suited for Cloud. Then, people hijacked the thread and turned it into who would win in a fight between the two.

i say aeris please.

I can't decide bacause I like them both very much, but if I had to choose, I guess I would choose Tifa because Aeris is Cloud's girl ^_^

Aeris....
She's just too sweet.

Actually, the <I>original</I> point of this thread was to determine which of these two girls was better suited for Cloud. Then, people hijacked the thread and turned it into who would win in a fight between the two.



This is like the third thread and it seems to be exactly the same why dont peaple just discuss this on the aeris cloud thread and stop repeating them selves about twenty times

i have no clue who those 2 people are

FFVII.
I apologize to HK because of my earlier post.
She's just too sweet....

I would say that aeris suits cloud best.

tifa all the way,

Aeris!

normally I would lean toward tifa, but she seems to be a little more violent than Aeris, so I'd have to say that Aeris is the best for Cloud.

Aeris is definately for Cloud, but when it comes to fanfictions, I read about both Aeris/Cloud and Tifa/Cloud. Heck, once I even read a Aeris/Tifa. ^_^;

Man, I really wish that I was able to close this thread right now, because there is no use for you guys to revive it after being over two months old.

um, well if was cloud, and aeris was reasurected, i would want to go with aeris.

If I was cloud and aeris was ressurected, I would stab her again.

wow.......thats a postitive attitude :) *nods head.....walks away*