tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
08-27-2013, 04:35 AM
Let's talk mad science.
And not just Inception.
And, let's also talk free(ware). (not trial/payware)

I've always been intrigued by the idea of lucid dreaming.



I can only achieve minimal lucid dreaming (wherein events alter itself rapidly to keep my health and safety fully optimal: if I'm shot at, I'm instantly wearing a vest or everyone's firing blanks). Or, I guess, you can call it passive?
It's not full awareness to the point where I can control the variables and outcome of any given situation or even change the situation. But, I suppose, it's a small step to full awareness.



I did some experiments awhile back where I played a candid array of music from various scores on very low volume (but just loud enough to hear the smalllest parts and quiet enough that the loudest parts didn't distract you).
I have dials on most devices for volume so I can't really say at volume was effective. A number scale of 1 to 10 is too drastic in actual measurement.
On an arbitrary scale of 1 to 100, I'd say around 10 was effective (compared to the average daytime listening volume of 35).

The result wasn't exactly allowing full control over a dream, but rather setup the environments and frequency of repeated situations and the same environments over and over again.
For awhile, I was able to completely map the area I was surrounded in and make my way from one point to another by taking the same route with the same details.
Parks and rivers were common.
And so were carnivorous wildlife that were always extremely territorial. And it was always the same creatures, too! Crocodiles of immense sizes, multitudes of bear clans and even stray lions.

Was this largely because I had the same music playlist ranging from dramatic overtones to action-packed cues to even neutral stand-in filler?
I did frequent one of the local parks a lot where it was dense with threes and waterways. Creeks, the ocean view, and still ponds that look like a breeding ground for mutant crocodiles and alligators (Lake Placid).

Maybe it was a combination of everything in repetition.

There was also a time where I would write down my dreams in notes and expand on the ideas I liked most about my dreams.
The vivid re-imaging of the dreams were so precisely detailed in memory that it eventually drew up the next dream's environment.
Every shopping mall, apartment and city layout all shared the same characteristics.
If it was a completely new place, I would look out beyond the city limits and see mountains and somehow know that the city I was previously in is beyond the visibility of the mountains.



Known music or even genre music came to mind because one day after I bought the Jurassic Park soundtrack on cassette (for the umpteenth time; CURSE YOU TAPE EATER!), I fell asleep listening to it on repeat.
The stereo player would switch sides automatically and keep looping this until I stopped it.

A long time ago, I fell asleep to Side B and woke up just before "Raptor Attack" finished playing on Side A.

The dream I had was a bad dream.
I had dreamed that I was downstairs in the living room and the Ghost Face Killer from Scream was stalking me.
It was very vivid and frightening.
Even the jumpy orchestrations of strings violently cursing in my ears was very real and perfectly timed.
The low rumbling of Williams bass for Raptors Attack was there, too!

I woke up before the track ended and my cat was just coming into the bedroom. I couldn't see where he entered the room on ground level.
The view from my bed was higher than ground level so I didn't realize the cat was there, pushing the door open slowly to enter.
Jumped on the bed and turned me white, scaring me half to death. :laugh:

Years later, I had bought "Suspect Zero" on DVD.
I watched it, fell asleep and woke up to the TV and DVD player repeating the main menu.

The main menu plays the tape recording (http://youtu.be/ZYWLWccGeGs) (from the movie that helps people establish their "Remote viewing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing)" sessions) on an infinite loop.
Really weird and obscure dreaming that night.
I woke up from a loud thud noise that never happened.

I left the DVD/TV on and went right back to bed.
Hadn't noticed anything because I didn't remember any of the dreams after the initial rush.

Years later, I put on a playlist consisting of nothing but Silent Hill soundtracks and other various creepsome tunes.
So many horror soundtracks, mostly unpopular (Insidious, the Ninth Gate, Lost Souls, The Devil's Rejects etc).

This did produce some very chilling and haunting dreams.
Some of the creepiest I've had. Trapped in a ship that crash landed on a planet filled with demons.
It was a very violent and bloody death for most of the crew that tried to dig their way out of the barren, rocky planet.

I woke up before it could kill me, as I was the last survivor.

Shortly after, I converted a bunch of music through PaulStretch (scroll down for more on PaulStretch) and fell asleep.
The results were interesting.
Consistent environments that I can map out and revisit with precise duplication.
It didn't so much create wild or exciting dreams, but they were definitely adventurous with much to explore.

I woke up and and converted more music.



Some methods are well known and practiced.
The WILD method (Wake Induced Lucid Dreams) is quite common to reiterate or google.

Reportedly to the most successful and most powerful process of inducing thee best lucid dreams.
I've not tried it but willing to subject myself to it.

There's a guide on the wikiHow page (http://www.wikihow.com/Have-a-Wake-Induced-Lucid-Dream-(WILD)) and also on a World of Lucid Dreaming site (http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/wake-induced-lucid-dreams.html) dedicated to lucid dreaming.

Summary (from WOLD site):

Physical & Mental Relaxation
The Hypnagogic State
Creating a Dream Scene
Entering The Lucid Dream


Apparently, this method can cause two things to happen (after reading millions of youtube comments):


Temporary paralysis
Seeing dark figures


Read comments on this youtube video (http://youtu.be/4XxHi1Ons3o) of Lucid Dreams Induction (using binaural beats).
Most prominent comment on sleep paralysis:

People. Actually do research. It's in your head. Yes, if you do the WILD method, you will get sleep paralysis for 2-3 minutes and most likely see dark figures if you feel scared. But you may also be welcomed. You can control them. Make them go away with your mind. Just relax and realize they aren't real. You may hear booms too, just relax, you're brain is preparing a dream. It's all in your head. And if you want to get out of sleep paralysis, wiggle your toes and fingers and try to talk loudly.

I've experienced sleep paralysis and "shadow demons" a few times.
While extremely creepy, it was quickly thwarted off once I realized I was awake.

It seems that waking up from the very deep dreams causes me to mix up the dream world with the real world.

Other experiences people often have while lucid dreaming/deep sleeping:

Loud thuds/bangs (leading to sleep paralysis)

Started to drift off then a big thud happened and it shook my whole body and I woke up and I couldn't move. Scared the shit out of me

Breathing problems

From all the binaural beats videos this one works best for me, though i only reached the vibration stage and felt as if i couldn't control my breathing and i stopped there because it scared me a little. I'm gonna keep trying, thanks for the awesome upload !
(Sleep Apnea has yet to be ruled out)

While there are some scary health concerns, there isn't a large amount of collective data to perceive these experiences as life-threatening due to lucid dreaming.
For instance, the breathing can easily be a symptom of Sleep Apnea from the subject and hasn't realized that the individual actually has sleep apnea.
The paralysis is always temporary and often experienced with bad dreams, night terrors and nightmares, which is often associated to the individual's own level of anxiety and self control of the anxiety.

Controlled environments and well documented (ie, cameras or a second person to observe) environments would definitely add to the feedback data on the health concerns of lucid dreaming induction.
But it would also have to well orchestrated so as not to feel like it's a clinical trial and add to any anxiety.

But, even then, data is data~ :smrt:



Binaural beats and isochronic tones are also popular methods to induce lucid dreaming.

This method may be the most harmful for others than any other method.
Some have claimed that headaches/migraines have returned while listening to binaural beats.

Why this is? Don't know.
There are many factors to take into consideration.
Perhaps the binaural beat recording was done in a tone not compatible with the listener.
Perhaps the volume was too loud (best listened to with very low volume settings).
Perhaps there were extraneous events that interfered.
Perhaps the recording included noise patterns (some recordings will include "white noise" in the background or even "pink noise" in the background).

Binaural beats can be created at any tone.
Deep tones to high pitch tones.

There is an extremely large variable in choosing you binaural beat that works for you.
There are free programs that can generate them for you and also allow you to generate your own patterns.

"Gnaural (http://gnaural.sourceforge.net/)" is one of these splendid, free open source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software) applications. It's Windows, Linux, Mac friendly too. And for Androids!

I very much like the idea of binaural beats.
With slow, sonic music as the foreground audio, it should do wonders to relax your mind and induce appropriate states.

The previously linked youtube video is binaural beats to the sound of water.
Which is also common as many find water dripping/raining/falling/running to be relaxing.
If you have mastered your urinary schedule, of course.

You'll find multitudes of youtube videos with binaural beats to "Buddhist relaxing music" which is really just sonic noise and slow motion transitions of notes.
Very atmospheric in nature with mostly mid-high frequencies.
I imagine you'll find a lot of bass with a subwoofer.



To make your own "relaxing" music variations, you can try another awesome free, opensource application (Windows, Python), PaulStretch (http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/) (aka Paul's Extreme Sound Stretch).
It will take your audio and repeat samples to near infinite time lengths.
The author recommends around 10x the normal playtime. While infinite is an option, it's also ludicrous to save to any file or even playback as the software works differently than any player.
It's not fully intended as a media player so there's issues with buffering "insane" values for your stretched product.

PaulStretch is available for Windows (http://sourceforge.net/projects/hypermammut/files/paulstretch/) as a binary (already compiled, ready to use).
For Linux users (https://github.com/paulnasca/paulstretch_cpp), the source code is available (you have to compile it yourself).
There's also a Python version (https://github.com/paulnasca/paulstretch_python) for those who use Python for many (mathematical; audio, image processing) needs.
Mac users (http://music.cornwarning.com/2010/04/06/paulstretch-new-build-for-the-new-decade/) can find some stuff here by someone other than the developer. He also made a youtube tutorial for Mac users (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLqZ1x6nSU8).

Audacity lovers can also find PaulStretch as an effect in the program.
No extra installation required, already installed with Audacity!

Read the manual for using PaulStretch in Audacity (http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/Paulstretch).

Here's a good example of PaulStretch using Silent Hill.

Silent Hill 3 End of Small Sanctuary (Paul Stretch) (http://youtu.be/jEk0A_sL3x4)

On youtube, you'll find that PaulStretch is popularized by "800%" videos.
800%, 8x, etc.
In PaulStretch, there is no degree of percentages.
You tell it to stretch it by floating numbers (eg. stretch by XX.XX times: 8.0, 8.12, 8.50, 4.01, etc).

Super Mario Bros 2 Theme 600% Paul Stretch (http://youtu.be/XwHrE_ii-tk)


Why are people using % in their names?
Probably because 800% sounds bigger than 8.
Marketing; why not use all the tags and keywords for your youtube video?



WILD - The Guide To End All Guides (http://www.dreamviews.com/wiki/WILD-The-Guide-To-End-All-Guides)
Dream Views forum

^has a section where you can create your own method of inducing lucid dreaming.
I haven't read it all yet but plan to.

Which leads me to believe the number of methods for inducing lucid dreams is insurmountable and astronomically impossible to quantify.



From repeating daily activities, playing well known music, writing down dreams, remembering details when you wake up, setting up sleep schedules (out of the norm), to even establishing rhythmic tones/pulses to synchronize with your brain waves...

What have you experienced in your dream worlds (to any degree of freedom and flexibility)?
How do you think you achieved it best?
What were the negative side effects (shadow demons, sleep paralysis, shortness of breath/sleep apnea, headaches/migraines)?

Tell me your stories and leave your feedback for your journeys.

I would love to establish a project to try new things out and develop more vivid, chaotic dream worlds.




isochronic tones.
here's a youtube video.
http://youtu.be/euAcZUtAU38

i don't know much more about these tones (yet) so I have no input here.
enjoy.



Resources:

Lucid dream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How to Lucid Dream (http://www.wikihow.com/Lucid-Dream)
wikiHow

How to Have a Wake Induced Lucid Dream (WILD) (http://www.wikihow.com/Have-a-Wake-Induced-Lucid-Dream-(WILD))
wikiHow

Wake Induced Lucid Dreams (http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/wake-induced-lucid-dreams.html)
World of Lucid Dreaming

WILD - The Guide To End All Guides (http://www.dreamviews.com/wiki/WILD-The-Guide-To-End-All-Guides)
Dream Views forum

Lucid Dreaming FAQ (http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html)
The Lucidity Institute Answers Frequently Asked Questions About Lucid Dreaming

Binaural beats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Isochronic tones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isochronic_tones)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Software:
Gnaural (http://gnaural.sourceforge.net/) (Windows, Linux, Mac, Android)
on Sourceforge

---------- Post added at 08:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:25 PM ----------

Add:

I forgot to mention, most of the market out there for "Binaural" beats/tones/"brands" is largely just charging you for convenience.
There are plenty of good free software to generate your own material.

It's just a matter of finding one you like to suit your needs.
I've only found 2 so far and like Gnaural the best. The other one needs more isolated attention to fully evaluate.

Gnaural can allow you to play a preset as soon as you install/start it.
There are also other presets that others have made that you can download and play as well.

Personally, I wouldn't invest in buying any of the binaural products.
There are plenty of free downloads with the same achievements out there (youtube, bandcamp, soundcloud, even google search can yield some satisfaction).

Quality doesn't really matter so much. Just the encoder settings.
Some may end up with pops/clicks and need adjustment.

tangotreats
08-27-2013, 08:59 PM
I have had success at lucid dreaming, and with no gimmicks, tapes, or music. I have a history of figuring out that I'm dreaming within the dream (as in, I'll just suddenly say out loud "This is all nonsense, I must be asleep!") but the problem always was that the moment that happened, I woke up. It seems that your brain doesn't like being "found out" - it seems to upset your subconscious when your thinking side works out what your imaginative side is up to. Then, it's all over.

I find that I need to "train" myself for a number of nights in order to make it work; I would think about dreaming and think about lucid dreaming when I went to bed, and try to keep thinking about it right up until I fell asleep. There are a lot of interesting factors about dreams that you can drum into your mind and utilise within the dream to alert yourself to what's going on.

Try picking up a book or a magazine and reading it. In a dream you'll get about three words in and then you'll realise that the words begin to fragment or disappear. The words you're reading will make no sense or have an improvisational tone to them. Words you've already read will change or vanish if you try to read them again.

Try turning on a light; lights often don't work in dreams or they turn on very dimly. Dreams rarely if ever show drastic changes in light level - so if you're inside and it's dark and lights won't work. If you're inside and it's daytime but it's dark indoors, you won't go outside. If you're outside and it's dark, you won't enter a lit room. Switches work opposite the way you're expecting them to. Mechanical devices fail or behave unexpectedly. Your dream is easily "discovered" if you can train yourself to spot the signs... and can practice "realising" you're dreaming without shocking yourself awake.

Etc, etc, etc - you'll probably have other recurring themes that represent stuff that happens in dreams and not in real life. Think about them before you sleep. Think about them other times. Get those thoughts into your head. Eventually you'll fall asleep, something will happen, and you'll make the connection.

You will announce to yourself - in dream that you understand that you're dreaming and therefore have absolute power to manipulate that world.

Teaching yourself to stay calm is important. I have managed to get my "dream" consciousness to link up with my "reality" consciousness on occasion - so as part of the lucid dream and my ability to control the dream, I can also decide not to wake up.

If you can get it to work, it's bloody amazing. I can fly, I can bring people into existence or delete them or modify them at will. I can create light, fire, darkness, heat, cold, sounds, feelings...

The crazy shit your brain can do while it's asleep is truly astounding... I can highly recommend this. It's fun. :D

sorei
08-28-2013, 01:02 AM
i know the feeling I am dreaming within the dream itself.
For me, sadly, the thing with the power does not work despite knowing that i am dreaming....

the living beings in my dreams choose to ignore my clumsy attempts to take over control and laugh themselves to death :D
(if i am lucky)

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
08-28-2013, 04:26 AM
I actually hand't noticed that about lights before!

There was a few times where I was being tracked down by several dozen armed militia and had to hide in some random cabin.
the more I think back to it, the lighting was equal outside as well as inside. It was always filled with poor lighting and shades everywhere.
The inside didn't have any lights on and had to rely on natural lighting from outside.
The outside was always so covered with trees everywhere that it casts so many shadows that it seems to be poorly lit as well as the inside of the cabin.
I was going back and forth from inside to outside, but always in the shade! A tree, under the patio that's on the second level.
I've never gone into direct sunlight.

And I actually remember so many other times now where the light was constant.
I've gone from indoors to outdoors constantly but the lighting mood was always a constant factor.
usually cloudy to match outside or very dark and stormy.

I think I should focus on a switch though.
Other things I try to interact DO end up breaking on me.

But I think if I focus enough, I can use a switch or some other method of light manipulation.



Reading anything is just left up to the mind for me. I actually don't see any discernible words.
Most of the time, it's like a movie where the words are out of focus and just black squiggles.
Any time I have to handle a book or a paper that is deemed (inexplicably) important, is always left to my imagination that it has been read and I am fully aware of its contents so reading (a supposed second time) is not a priority.
I usually just have to deliver it or look at it blankly and automatically assume I am to take action on the intentions of the written article.

Numbers are the same. I'll think of the number without actually seeing it.

But definitely recurring themes and lighting sound like a good way to set it up.
I'll have to keep those in mind next time I want to experiment.



Sorei, LOL I can just imagine all the armed militia I fight constantly (Commando, Red Dawn, Modern Warfare 2, etc) end up in a laughing fit before I wake up laughing out loudly in my sleep. XD

Speaking of "dream within a dream" (to play on words; "dreaming within the dream itself"), I did have a few dreams where I woke up only to have woken up in my dreams only.
Some times it was like a horror movie where the principle character is having a bad dream, gets woken up and then wakes up again!
Other times, when I wake up in my dreams, it's usually some monotoned, scifi setting where the rest of the dream goes at an extremely slow and indie pace.
The lighting for those dreams are always so unique compared to other dreams.
Almost feels like a Ridley Scoot inspired indie film.

There's the odd times where I dream I'm trying to get to sleep but keep getting interrupted.
Only once did I successfully fall asleep in my dream to have a second layer of dreaming: dream within a dream.
That was bizarre on so many levels.
A lot of sepia tones and brown-stained settings. Almost like a post-apocalyptic world where sleep is scarce. :itsamystery:



:shock: I think I'm going to dig through the old junk bin. I think I got an old light switch I can install to nothing so it's null!
I'll establish that it doesn't work because a certain condition is not right, but it is possible for it to work.
Then hopefully, in my dreams, I'll meet that condition and get it to work and trigger a subliminal message that it's actually fake and that I must be dreaming!


EUREKA!

malt2pass
09-17-2013, 01:02 PM
look into magic. real occult magic i mean, not the fireball and those exiting stuff. Grimoar.cz :: Main page (http://english.grimoar.cz/) find books regarding dream magics here.

tehƧP@ƦKly�ANK� -Ⅲ�
09-20-2013, 04:43 AM
magic or magick? ;)

Dormy
09-25-2013, 09:41 AM
I head a phase of terrifyingly real lucid dreams.
They all started with a pleasant scenario, but then things went seriously wrong. I would wake in a cold sweat and shaking. They lasted 'till I gave up my stressful job and learned to relax and take life a bit more easy.
Alls well now and I hardly ever remember my dreams now.

collectorjunk
09-29-2013, 05:23 PM
I've had very few dreams that I remember afterwards. I've read up on lucid dreaming before, but I've not taken any of the steps suggested for controlling said dreams. There was an interesting segment on dreaming on Radiolab...but I can't recall which it was.