What do you think of this? Do you think zimmer will ruin the franchise?

MAN OF STEEL And THE DARK KNIGHT's Hans Zimmer Scoring THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=83588)

More importantly, who really cares?

It's hard to ruin a franchise that seems to really have enjoyed screwing itself over to begin with...I prefer the first trilogy, the new ones are pretty meh.

More importantly

I was speaking of music not the movies ( the debate about Spiderman has already been stressed )

In which case, I'm pretty sure that only adding more crappy dressing onto a pile of crap will only mean more crap in the end...

But seriously though...I'm not really sure the musical score will be a huge downside for the film overall.

As a huge fan of these movies and of Zimmer, I am really excited for this. I hope Zimmer does some evolution on the themes James Horner created and adds that Zimmer touch to them. My excitement for this movie (which was already through the roof) has just gone up even more.

I didnt really care for James Horner's score for The Amazing Spider-Man. It wasnt bad, but it didnt really stand out either. So im excited to see what Hans Zimmer does with the sequel!

Zimmer has a specific music, and I think it is a bad choice for TASM2. Maybe I will be suprised. Elfman and Young did excelent job in original trilogy.

Zimmer has a specific music, and I think it is a bad choice for TASM2. Maybe I will be suprised. Elfman and Young did excelent job in original trilogy.

I dont think Zimmer has a specific style at all. Its just people remember him for a specific style. He can do a lot of different styles of music.

No i want JAMES HORNER back. I do not think that zimmer will compose a sequel was not originally started by him(see his DISCO).

I just feel so sorry for Horner. I mean with ASP he managed to do sth quite original and this year not only his score for romeo and juliet is rejected but he may also see his themes for ASP erased by Zimmer's slaughterhouse

I just feel so sorry for Horner. I mean with ASP he managed to do sth quite original and this year not only his score for romeo and juliet is rejected but he may also see his themes for ASP erased by Zimmer's slaughterhouse

why feel sorry for him? he's carved a pretty nice career for himself and probably earned millions in the process. having scores rejected is common for composers, especially when they're past their prime, which is definitely the case with horner. not saying it doesn't suck -- it's an ugly side of the business, but one he must surely know about.

i'm sure zimmer will turn in a typically zimmeresque score, and all the zimmer fanboys will love it, all the zimmer haters will trash it, and the majority of filmgoers won't give a flying rat's ass.

Not happy at all. While i didn't like the James Horner score, i would like to see him return to score the sequel for continuity. Zimmer's Man of Steel is a huge letdown to me and now TASM 2? I've got a bad feeling it might go down that route as well.

That's terrible news I love Horner's score for the first movie! Now we know that TASM 2 will sound like The Dark Knight rises & Inception!

So, will Horner replace Zimmer then, on the new Dan Brown movie? Ain't it cool?

No Ron Howard will choose Zimmer because Zimmer can handle 10 projects a year with his 2000 music assistants

Hans Zimmer to Score ?The Amazing Spider-Man 2? | Film Music Reporter (http://filmmusicreporter.com/2013/07/19/hans-zimmer-to-score-the-amazing-spider-man-2/)

That's terrible news I love Horner's score for the first movie! Now we know that TASM 2 will sound like The Dark Knight rises & Inception!

It might not sound like The Dark Knight Rises or Inception. Zimmer has a pretty wide range of music styles.

why feel sorry for him? he's carved a pretty nice career for himself and probably earned millions in the process. having scores rejected is common for composers, especially when they're past their prime, which is definitely the case with horner. not saying it doesn't suck -- it's an ugly side of the business, but one he must surely know about.

i'm sure zimmer will turn in a typically zimmeresque score, and all the zimmer fanboys will love it, all the zimmer haters will trash it, and the majority of filmgoers won't give a flying rat's ass.

Man,what means that picture?;)

What do you think of this? Do you think zimmer will ruin the franchise?

MAN OF STEEL And THE DARK KNIGHT's Hans Zimmer Scoring THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=83588)

I don't think there's much to ruin about The Amazing Spider-man franchise because it's already ruined in the first place. Box office wise it didn't even beat the records of previous Raimi Spider-man. Since Zimmer is coming aboard the score will soon be darker and grittier. A dark version of SpiderBat! :D

Box office wise it didn't even beat the records of previous Raimi Spider-man.

So? The most succesful Spider-Man film was the third one, and everybody hate it. TASM did a better job to tell the story, much more accurate to the comics, and without the cheesyness from the Raimi trilogy. But it looks like Sony doesn't want to learn from their mistakes. About Zimmer, it's necessary? There's lots of composers out there who can do a grittier score, without making it to sound like pure noise. Horner's score was a breath of fresh air.

And zimmer will dump the sequel, i believe.

depends of course if he does the same MAN OF STEEL treatment its gonna be.....
We have to remember that Batman trilogy inception and MOS had the same producers or directors or whatever so if the director wants a specific sound zimmer is one of the best to provide it.
But i would have been curious about a duo including zimmer and horner. That could give something very epic

Hans confirmed that he is scoring it according to Hybrid Soldier on HZ.com

I just feel so sorry for Horner. I mean with ASP he managed to do sth quite original and this year not only his score for romeo and juliet is rejected but he may also see his themes for ASP erased by Zimmer's slaughterhouse

Though I'd NEVER EVER feel sorry for Horner (who, according to all accounts in Tinseltown, is a vindictive and arrogant prick) Zimmer is certainly a step down, as he would be step down from ANY real composer. Criticize Horner for his frequent self-plagiarism all you like, at least he's got the craft and the talent. Zimmer is a keyboarder who lets all the real work be done by his slaves, and the result will STILL always be a stupid mock-serious score that's full of predictable patterns and primitive themes to satisfy both the music-loathing producers and the ignorant noobs on the other end.

So? The most succesful Spider-Man film was the third one, and everybody hate it. TASM did a better job to tell the story, much more accurate to the comics, and without the cheesyness from the Raimi trilogy...

And just like I said from the box office stand point what's more to explain? TASM did a better job to tell the story, much accurate to the comics? --- Really? You should clarify this because if your talking about the original origin of the story well your wrong. Just when did the Raimi Spider-man became cheesy all of a sudden? I'll answer it when all this Nolan so called gritty-humane but not faithful rendition to the origins of the comicbook movie started --- He's the guy who believes that "the source material is irrelevant"--- talk about bastardizing the origins of a comicbook. Before there was a much applauded box office comic book movie adaptation in the marvel franchise Spiderman was the first, not even Ironman.

On the other hand, With the Zimmer arguments i'm in with you. For the first point definitely not agreeing with you.

New sequels, may be a new trilogy by zimmer. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Spider-Man_2#Sequels)

New sequels, may be a new trilogy by zimmer. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Spider-Man_2#Sequels)

All the more reason I'm staying away from that franchise.

I've got equal amounts of respect and dislike for the guy, but this just feels like zimmer superhero saturation. I wasn't overly enamoured with Horner's score for the first one, but at least spidey had a damn theme tune. What's so wrong with that these days?

Thanks to the sharers of the complete score for Horner's Amazing Spider-man, I came to appreciate his writing and the music. It works grea out of context of the film. In-film however - a different story altogether, it didn't have a "PUNCH, POW" sort of kick that Elfman brought to the picture for the previous trilogy, though what Horner makes up for unsatifying bravado, he sure makes up for in subtlety.

My feelings on Zimmer scoring the net film aren't too overwhelming. Given the downplayed scores of Man of Steel and Lone Ranger, I expect a capable main theme and secondary theme, but more blundering inanity from Zimmer and all of his team.

Where's James Newton Howard, John Powell, Christopher Young, Michael Giacchino and the others? Why does Zimmer get these jobs?

I'm a little skeptical. As much as I love Zimmer's music, I prefer James Horner to return for continuity. I think Horner's themes from TASM 1 were great! I fear Zimmer will create new stuff and ruin it :/

Films have been mostly crap for a long time now, but I think you were right on with the being told to write crap part. Directors are temp-tracking their movies with Zimmer or Zimmer-like scores (I'm 95.3% certain that The Amazing Spider-man was temped with Zimmer's The Da Vinci Code and Debney's The Passion) so instead of getting Williams/classical/Golden Age imitations, we get Zimmer imitations, and producers and directors are going "this is the norm, this is what sells, write more like this."

I just saw the leaked trailer from Comic Con, and at one point, it sounds like part of James Horner theme was playing, but in Zimmers Style. I could be wrong though since the audio quality was crap, but it sure sounded like it.

the new TASM2 Comic-Con 8 minute trailer was pretty awesome, can see a Zimmer score fitting into the look of it.

Yeah. The Horner theme is there only tweaked a little bit. So there's hope that Zimmer's using the main theme.

I've watched the first one a few times, and I recall the score being pretty, but I don't have it in my collection so I guess I didn't find it all that memorable. What's so wrong with Zimmer scoring the second one? What's with the dislike for Zimmer? I thought he was capable of doing a variation of music styles.


Though I'd NEVER EVER feel sorry for Horner (who, according to all accounts in Tinseltown, is a vindictive and arrogant prick) Zimmer is certainly a step down, as he would be step down from ANY real composer. Criticize Horner for his frequent self-plagiarism all you like, at least he's got the craft and the talent. Zimmer is a keyboarder who lets all the real work be done by his slaves, and the result will STILL always be a stupid mock-serious score that's full of predictable patterns and primitive themes to satisfy both the music-loathing producers and the ignorant noobs on the other end.

That was a bit overboard, wasn't it? Sometimes predictable is good. I don't really think Zimmer's scores are as predictable as you make it out to be, I mean there's themes and motifs and stuff but that's expected. What exactly is so predictable about his music?

I was excited and shocked at the same time when I heard this news. I for one liked James Horner's score, but it was a little boring at times. Can't wait to see what Hans Zimmer can bring to the franchise. Judging by the leaked Comic Con trailer he will stay a little true to the original score while pushing the limits a bit.

Where's James Newton Howard, John Powell, Christopher Young, Michael Giacchino and the others? Why does Zimmer get these jobs?

Zimmer gets these jobs because the studio producers, who control all the money, see his name attached to mega-hit after mega-hit these days - and by mega-hit I mean box office returns. It's all about the money. Sure, Horner has his name attached to the two highest grossing films of all time, but they come spaced apart. In between those scores he does lots of lower key, lower grossing films. Zimmer, meanwhile, regardless of what anybody thinks of him or his work, has been attached to a pretty incredible string of box office successes in recent years. The bean counters see this and, reasonably (according to their completely creative-less brains), equate Zimmer with box office success. As far as the score goes anyways. So they're all lined up to try and get their foot in the door and get on his list of projects to do. And Zimmer, meanwhile, cranks out so many scores that he'll most likely keep his batting average high enough to stay at the top of the in-demand list for quite awhile.

For what it's worth, I'm not a Zimmer hater. I don't think he's god's gift to movie scoring like some people do (I'll vote John Williams on that one every single time), but I DO tend to enjoy a lot of his scores. I love Horner's work just as much. I'm not in the industry and don't have to hear stories about the composers and whether or not they're pricks or hacks or whatever, I just listen to their music and leave the rest of it for other people. The movie industry is a dirty, high pressure business. Anybody who can exist in that environment and still manage to be creative deserves some serious respect.

I personally think that Horner and Zimmer BOTH take on more criticism than a lot of other composers, and while some of it is surely justified, I also believe that, a lot of the time, people forget how incredibly difficult it would be to be creative and unique under the kinds of time crunches that scoring a film often requires. These two guys in particular take on a lot, and often accept ridiculous challenges, so it stands to reason that they're more prone to reusing material they've previously written - it saves them a lot of time when under the gun. I think both of them, when they actually have lulls in their schedules and are able to spend more time focused on one score, can turn out some truly amazing work. I think they should both be remembered for the stand out scores and not the filler that comes in between them.

I can't wait for this movie.
Maybe I'll like this new reboot franchise.

Hmm... I'm pretty indifferent to this. I don't care much for any of the movies, and the only Spiderman score I've really enjoyed was 3 (the Flynt Marko theme is gorgeous).

As for "The Amazing Spider-Man," it pretty much sounded like "Horner Does Zimmer:" much less intricate/interesting orchestration than you'd expect from a Horner score, irritating drum kit percussion, and over-produced synth brass doubling. Paraphrasing what someone said in another thread, when you temp track with crap, you end up with crap. Granted, Amazing Spider-Man is still better than anything Zimmer's done for a while, but I found it pretty much serviceable at best.

Thanks to the sharers of the complete score for Horner's Amazing Spider-man, I came to appreciate his writing and the music. It works grea out of context of the film. In-film however - a different story altogether, it didn't have a "PUNCH, POW" sort of kick that Elfman brought to the picture for the previous trilogy, though what Horner makes up for unsatifying bravado, he sure makes up for in subtlety.

My feelings on Zimmer scoring the net film aren't too overwhelming. Given the downplayed scores of Man of Steel and Lone Ranger, I expect a capable main theme and secondary theme, but more blundering inanity from Zimmer and all of his team.

Where's James Newton Howard, John Powell, Christopher Young, Michael Giacchino and the others? Why does Zimmer get these jobs?

This would take too damn long to explain but there�s a great a documentary about the state of modern film making that explains why Zimmer gets these jobs and it ain�t for his talent....that�s all I�m saying....It�s on the BBC Player

I can't decide what I think of this. While Horner's score for TASM wasn't great, I kind of enjoyed it. If Zimmer uses Horner's score and simply "enhances" it, I think it could be great. Sorta what he did for "The Rock". He came in, took Gregson-Williams and Glennie-Smith's themes, and gave them that extra "oomph" that made it into (imo) a really fun/amazing score. If Zimmer writes entirely new themes then I don't think it will be nearly as good. Just my 2 cents worth.

Apparently Zimmer won't score Batman vs Superman...

He may has a change of heart, idk
Will Hans Zimmer Score the ?Superman Vs. Batman? Movie? | nerdbastards.com (http://nerdbastards.com/2013/10/17/will-hans-zimmer-score-the-superman-vs-batman-movie/)

fascinating

I think Zimmer and his like tend to get the work they do based on their performance. Most of the time, they have to adhere to the producer/director's restraints and wishes. Big bombastic action thmes, hero themes, are not wanted by modern filmmakers it seems.Zimmer et al probably just do what they're asked, without a lot of "creative differences" stuff. Maybe. I think that may be why Horner's score was so much more....low key. Perhaps he was asked to keep it that way?

Also Zimmer' s a smooth talker. Look at his interviews. The way he talks about his approach towards his scores and his ideas. He makes his ideas sound revolutionary. They are great ideas but the end result is somewhat underwhelming. It's not difficult to imagine how he'd convince the directors when they are discussing the score. Although he states that Nolan keeps pushing him for finding a defining sound for his movies.

About 'creative differences', there's an interview about The Dark Knight where Zimmer wrote a heroic theme for Batman and everybody from Nolan to the producers became estatic, and asked him to incorporate it in the film. But he discarded the theme saying that the character didn't deserve it. A truly refreshing approach would be to find a new soundscape for the film, like he did with Inception.

I found Horner's score a mixed bag. It showed flashes of brilliance, but on the whole, it was average for me. But Zimmer going low key would be different for him after the bombastic MoS.

Also Zimmer' s a smooth talker. Look at his interviews. The way he talks about his approach towards his scores and his ideas. He makes his ideas sound revolutionary. They are great ideas but the end result is somewhat underwhelming. It's not difficult to imagine how he'd convince the directors when they are discussing the score. Although he states that Nolan keeps pushing him for finding a defining sound for his movies.

Speaking of which: Hans Zimmer talks "Interstellar" (http://www.nolanfans.com/2013/10/15/hans-zimmer-talks-about-christopher-nolans-interstellar-and-more/)

Don't really see how he would ruin it? He has a great talent for composing appropriate soundtracks, and I would love to watch the movie if he was responsible for the music.
Obviously I am speaking as a fan of him, but while knowing people have different opinions and tastes, I haven't noticed anyone ~hating on him~ and his work like they do with certain other artists and composers.

But at this moment, Zimmer is under the gun to deliver music not for a movie, but for a movie trailer — namely for next summer's The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

full interview here:
Inside The Mind (And Studio) Of Hollywood's Music Maestro (http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/hans-zimmer-film-composer-inside-his-studio?s=mobile)

Funny how his "fresh approach" (which he says about every movie he does) is the same as it's always been. Cheap synthy noise. I totally lost interest in this film now.

Zimmer forming a "supergroup" for Amazing Spiderman 2 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=39249)

hmmm, why not just hire some good orchestrators like Conrad Pope. I still don't see how having fifteen other people help Zimmer will change anything. Man of Steel had a thousand drums, now we have TASM2 where we have more people probably playing double the guitars and double the drums.

He's on a mission to turn the analogue waveform as we know it into a perfectly formed sausage.

I don't care if he teams up with Pharrell or some flintstone banging his lodestone, as long as he makes some good music instead of marketing his 'new' ideas. Looks like he pined for his Buggles days and Marc Webb, being from a music video background approved of this band or supergroup idea.

hmmm, why not just hire some good orchestrators like Conrad Pope. I still don't see how having fifteen other people help Zimmer will change anything. Man of Steel had a thousand drums, now we have TASM2 where we have more people probably playing double the guitars and double the drums.

Not even the best orchestrator in the world could turn Zimmer's dung into gold. It's sub-standard pop-rock music, in whatever garb he chooses to let his slaves dress it!

I've listened to Horner's score (always in its complete form) more than any film score I've heard in the past year and a half or so since it came out. I love it that much. The title theme (criminally UNUSED in the opening of the film) is one of those pieces of music that brings a smile to my face even on the saddest, most miserable days. To think that theme won't be a part of the sequel is what bothers me most - I had hoped that Zimmer would still make use of it since he doesn't shy away from using an existing theme if he can (such as in "The Simpsons Movie" where he used both Elfman's theme and a rather nice theme for Homer Simpson to compliment it).

Having the complete score is something to really treasure now that we won't be getting another from Horner for this series.

If i'm not wrong the director wanted zimmer for TASM but he ended up with Horner. I think he doesnt really like the score so Im pretty sure he told zimmer to get rid of Horner's theme.

Actually, Webb did want Horner as they had been friends for some time (read that somewhere) and Horner was very reluctant to score the film because he's always avoided superhero movies (with the sole exception being in a sense, "The Rocketeer") and it was because he was able to approach it his way AND do the modern electronic thing most of these films feature in their music which was probably why he took it on.

I don't know if Horner didn't want to score the sequel or if Webb wanted Zimmer for it, I only know I will miss his theme knowing it won't carry on.

This is too bad, no we will have to wait Avatar 2 to get a new horner