Does anyone know of any really good PSX emulators? I have PSXeven but it don't work so anyone else know of any others? And what about one called something like Adrlie or somethin.

There's ePSXe but you have to get a few bios and stuff to suit your system.

God I hate those! And if anyone knows of any please only post ones that are free and easily obtainable. Thnx.

Ok, I'm going to close this, because I personally feel that emulators are wrong, and shouldn't be used, and I'm pretty sure we're not supposed to be talking about where to find emulators and such on these forums.

If any mods disagree with me, open it back up I suppose.

Well, I'm personally not against emulators being transfered around. Most of them are free (ePSXe included) but many require the PSX bios, which is not really "free" (and I use that term loosely).

Besides, as quoted from Zophar's Domain.


Right now it is the best freeware Playstation emulator available.

If you don't want to go through it, your loss. We use this for FF screenshots for PSX games and we feel that is the best for playability, not to mention that I'm able to use my memory card saves by simply converting it from my dex drive to my PC.

So like I said, either get the Bios and the right plug ins or deal for something less and not be a "spoon-fed baby."

And I'm reopening this because like I said, emulators are mostly freeware and he's not asking for those that are not.

I myself use a Sony PlayStation. It's not free, but the performance is excellent. It's like the real thing.

(p.s. we should still close emu threads, they suck. Unless they are in reference to things like fan translations of JPN-only games or mods or nifty stuff like that, for which emulators have legitimate use.)

Originally posted by TK
for which emulators have legitimate use

Thing is, that debate is still going on. It's not yet entirely clear what is a "legitimate" use of an emulator. Although I can understand your take on it.

Well, he's not going anywhere far. :O

Originally posted by Evad D'Aragon


Thing is, that debate is still going on. It's not yet entirely clear what is a "legitimate" use of an emulator. Although I can understand your take on it.

Yeah, you say that every time someone brings it up, as if the fact that "that debate is still going on" has any bearing on what's morally OR lawfully okay. o_O

Originally posted by TK


Yeah, you say that every time someone brings it up, as if the fact that "that debate is still going on" has any bearing on what's morally OR lawfully okay. o_O

there's added functionality to emulators. see, we even use them on the site: we can capture things directly from the game, anything from the music to screenshots.

if you own the original game, which you need to do to use a playstation emulator (quiet, mogknight), you most likely have the playstation itself (why the hell else would you have bought the game?)

if you own the game and the console, I fail to see how using an emulator somehow is equal to complete moral corruption, but ok!

edit: you mentioned what's "lawfully okay" and, like Evad D'Aragon mentioned (implied?), that's far from clear right now. the only person that could be in real legal trouble here could be me (for allowing this discussion to go on), and I not only have no problem with it in this context, but I'm confident enough that what's going on isn't illegal that I'm letting it happen.

<3

Originally posted by TK


Yeah, you say that every time someone brings it up, as if the fact that "that debate is still going on" has any bearing on what's morally OR lawfully okay. o_O

As if that was my intention, anyway. And you have no proof I supposedly "say it every time". And even if I did, I fail to see how is that supposed to have any impact on you, or MogKnight for that matter.That was quite uncalled for.

Originally posted by Sarah


there's added functionality to emulators. see, we even use them on the site: we can capture things directly from the game, anything from the music to screenshots.

if you own the original game, which you need to do to use a playstation emulator (quiet, mogknight), you most likely have the playstation itself (why the hell else would you have bought the game?)

if you own the game and the console, I fail to see how using an emulator somehow is equal to complete moral corruption, but ok!

edit: you mentioned what's "lawfully okay" and, like Evad D'Aragon mentioned (implied?), that's far from clear right now. the only person that could be in real legal trouble here could be me (for allowing this discussion to go on), and I not only have no problem with it in this context, but I'm confident enough that what's going on isn't illegal that I'm letting it happen.

<3

Uh, I think you misunderstood. All I'm saying is that "it's being debated" doesn't mean shit. It is either illegal or legal, and it is either right or wrong; maybe it is still being debated in either category, but it's a stupid thing to say. So what? If you want to argue one SIDE of it, fine. Virtually everything is subject to debate.

And when did I ever say emulators are always evil? I mentioned a couple things that they had legitimate use for. I certainly didn't say they were the only ones that exist. I guess you're arguing that this thread is legit, but I seriously doubt the dude who made it is looking for something to use with the games he already owns--he's probably after what 99% of all people after emus are after, getting video games without paying for them.




Evad: You sound like such a floozie when you say shit like "that was quite uncalled for." That's why nobody takes you seriously.

If you did not intend to imply that the fact that it's "being debated" has some kind of bearing on whether or not it's legal/right, why the hell did you bring it up? That IS what you meant.

Have you ever actually engaged in a real-life conversation with another human being? We tend to do things such as exagerating. "You say that every time" is one such phrase. It is used in many circumstances! Such as:

If someone beats you at Soul Calibur 2 by getting ring outs quite frequently, you might go, "Man, you do that EVERY TIME!"

If someone frequently bumps their head on a low spot on the ceiling, they might shout, "Shit, I do that EVERY TIME I walk under this ceiling!!"

etc. etc. etc. And actually, if in fact you HAD said that every single time the subject was brought up (which is possible) then I COULD prove it if I really gave a shit. It would not be hard to search for all the emu threads in General Gaming.

Mentioning my name....

That was uncalled for.

Originally posted by TK


Evad: You sound like such a floozie when you say shit like "that was quite uncalled for." That's why nobody takes you seriously.


*raises middle finger*

And will you take that seriously ? Just because YOU don't take me seriously does not mean that EVERYBODY does. You seem to be talking for everyone "every time". Get real. You're not the Shrine's mouth.


Originally posted by TK

If you did not intend to imply that the fact that it's "being debated" has some kind of bearing on whether or not it's legal/right, why the hell did you bring it up? That IS what you meant.


You are in no position to assume whatever it is I meant. Just who the hell do you think you are ? God ? Too bad I'm atheist, because otherwise then maybe I'd believe some of the shit you say.



Originally posted by TK

Have you ever actually engaged in a real-life conversation with another human being? We tend to do things such as exagerating. "You say that every time" is one such phrase. It is used in many circumstances! Such as:

If someone beats you at Soul Calibur 2 by getting ring outs quite frequently, you might go, "Man, you do that EVERY TIME!"

If someone frequently bumps their head on a low spot on the ceiling, they might shout, "Shit, I do that EVERY TIME I walk under this ceiling!!"


Nor do you have any right to imply anything about my life. I don't go saying stupid stuff about you half the time, TK. Nor did I ever imply anything about your life like your stupid sarcasm above did for me, whether or not you're serious about it. All I'm asking is that you do the same. But it seems to be so hard when you're such a "cool guy who bitches others but don't know anything about them" like you.



Originally posted by TK

etc. etc. etc. And actually, if in fact you HAD said that every single time the subject was brought up (which is possible) then I COULD prove it if I really gave a shit. It would not be hard to search for all the emu threads in General Gaming.

Of course it wouldn't be. You're wasting so much time bitching others, you must have enough free time to do it.


Morale of the story ?

(sarcasm)You sound like such a jerk when you don't have anything else better than shitting on people. That's why "nobody" cared when you "left" in the first place.(/sarcasm)

You just asked for it.

You filped him off...

That was uncalled for.

Uh, I think you misunderstood. All I'm saying is that "it's being debated" doesn't mean shit. It is either illegal or legal, and it is either right or wrong; maybe it is still being debated in either category, but it's a stupid thing to say. So what? If you want to argue one SIDE of it, fine. Virtually everything is subject to debate.

everything is either illegal or legal? you honestly think that? in order for something unclear to have any sort of clear-cut line, there have to be court-cases. that's what future rulings are based on.

it hasn't been established that sharing music is illegal. anyone that thinks it has is really jumping the gun. this is what's going on: the RIAA is scaring people into settling. very, very few people have challenged the rulings thus far. people have, but they haven't reached a trial yet. they're going to provide some sort of legal ground for all of this. none of it's ever made it to trial yet.

emulators actually have more legal backing than the distributing of licensed MP3s do.

TK and Evad: calm down and have some lemonade. =)

Calm down, for christ sake. You're getting awfully worked up.


Originally posted by Evad D'Aragon

*raises middle finger*

That is much better than telling me something I said was uncalled for.


And will you take that seriously ? Just because YOU don't take me seriously does not mean that EVERYBODY does. You seem to be talking for everyone "every time". Get real. You're not the Shrine's mouth.

Well, hey, check out MogKnight's last couple posts in this thread.

Then review that thread where you were saying all those bizarre things about dubbing/subbing and rezo beat you at arguing. I'm just speaking from what my experience has been. Sorry.


You are in no position to assume whatever it is I meant. Just who the hell do you think you are ? God ? Too bad I'm atheist, because otherwise then maybe I'd believe some of the shit you say.

Yes I am. Everyone is. We all make assumptions about what each other mean.

Anyway, please explain what you intended to imply with that comment, then. I'd love to know.





Nor do you have any right to imply anything about my life.

I have a right to imply anything I want about your life or anyone else's.


I don't go saying stupid stuff about you half the time, TK.

No, but you do go around saying stupid stuff half the time. (I'm sorry, that WAS sort of uncalled for, but whenever someone sets up something like that I can't help but take it. So, don't get all emotional over it.)


Nor did I ever imply anything about your life like your stupid sarcasm above did for me, whether or not you're serious about it. All I'm asking is that you do the same. But it seems to be so hard when you're such a "cool guy who bitches others but don't know anything about them" like you.

Well for one thing, I do know some things about you, such as your opinions on certain subjects from the posts I've seen you make, and some things you like, and how you write, and anything else I can get from your posts. Even if I didn't, I don't see why I'd need to know anything about you in order to bitch you out. I could just do it.

However, I have not bitched you out, all I did was criticize you and you got awfully upset about it. If you did ever imply anything about my life, I wouldn't care.



Of course it wouldn't be. You're wasting so much time bitching others, you must have enough free time to do it.

How much time do you think I spent on that post up there, anyway?



Morale of the story ?

Stories don't have morale; that's only attributed to living things.


(sarcasm)You sound like such a jerk when you don't have anything else better than shitting on people. That's why "nobody" cared when you "left" in the first place.(/sarcasm)

Actually, lots of people said they were sorry I went and lots of people said they were glad when I came back, so, hey. I don't see what that has to do with the argument anyway, though. I could bring up some stupid posts you've made in the past too.


You just asked for it.

And I sure got it! Boy oh boy DAMN.

I feel like Lemonade.

Originally posted by Sarah


everything is either illegal or legal? you honestly think that? in order for something unclear to have any sort of clear-cut line, there have to be court-cases. that's what future rulings are based on.

Yes, everything is either illegal or legal. Court cases are there to determine which one it is, not to decide.

[quote]it hasn't been established that sharing music is illegal. anyone that thinks it has is really jumping the gun. this is what's going on: the RIAA is scaring people into settling. very, very few people have challenged the rulings thus far. people have, but they haven't reached a trial yet. they're going to provide some sort of legal ground for all of this. none of it's ever made it to trial yet.

It hasn't been established by whom?

Music is copyrighted. It is expressly stated that it cannot be reproduced or distributed without permission. Anyone trying to claim there is legal ground for all the MP3 trading on the internet is TOTALLY reaching. It's basic copyright law.



emulators actually have more legal backing than the distributing of licensed MP3s do.

I don't really know that much about the legal specifics when it comes to emus, but I never said that it was absolutely illegal, I just said that whether or not it's "being debated" has no bearing on that matter.



TK and Evad: calm down and have some lemonade. =)

Dude. Tell HIM that, not me. He's the one who's taking offense.

YOU'RE GOING TO DRINK YOUR DAMN LEMONADE AND YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE IT, OKAY.


I don't really know that much about the legal specifics when it comes to emus, but I never said that it was absolutely illegal.


It is either illegal or legal.

=)

another interesting little legal tidbit: they've never once tried to go after those downloading music files, it's always after those uploading them. before that it was the hosting services that were enabling the sharing.

what does that mean for emulators? the sites that host emulators would go down first. they're not even getting cease and desist orders.

or, you could take the analogy even further, and realize that emulators are to games as winamp is to MP3s. they want to after the games that are being distributed, not the files that allow the given games to be played.

Uh... yeah. I said they were either illegal or legal, but I didn't say they were absolutely either one. : )

(i.e., what I meant when I said "I didn't say they were absolutely illegal" was just that--I didn't say they are. They may or may not be. I would certainly guess they are. I just don't know the details of the copyrights.)



another interesting little legal tidbit: they've never once tried to go after those downloading music files, it's always after those uploading them. before that it was the hosting services that were enabling the sharing.

what does that mean for emulators? the sites that host emulators would go down first. they're not even getting cease and desist orders.

or, you could take the analogy even further, and realize that emulators are to games as winamp is to MP3s. they want to after the games that are being distributed, not the files that allow the given games to be played.

That's true. Yup.

my point was that a lot of vague things aren't "illegal or legal" before there's some sort of court case to provide legal ground for future cases to stand on.

Some interesting points there. But could I just distract someone for a minute and ask them to explain what emulators are? I have a vague notion but don't really know.

Thankies

Emulators are programmes which run on computers and 'emulate' console games. You can get emulators on consoles from NES' to PS2s.

And, to play games on them you have to own that game on console first. (eg if you wanted to get a PSX emulater and play FFVII on it, you'd have to own FFVII on PS1 in the first place.)

Originally posted by Sarah
my point was that a lot of vague things aren't "illegal or legal" before there's some sort of court case to provide legal ground for future cases to stand on.

There is a law about copyrights. If the copyrights on the product in question forbid it, then it's illegal. There's no gray area. Even in court cases that go on for ages, they aren't trying to decide if something is legal or not, they are determining it. According to what's written in the law, it's legal or not. We just have arguments about what's written in the law because we're human.

In cases where the law is adjusted because of a court case, it's not because the law said nothing about the issue, it's because what it did say was deemed unacceptable.

Please everybody I didn't mean or want for this to turn into an arguement over if emulators are good or not. My Playstation was broke in half and I need something to play my games on which is why I was asking and no I am not just looking for free games. I have dial-up and each one of those games would take up way too much time to download. So please, no more arguing about if they are good or if they are bad.

Ah, I guess it doesn't matter that much, but you should specify stuff like that.

Anyway, who cares if it's an argument about emus?

Originally posted by ieatmako
Emulators are programmes which run on computers and 'emulate' console games. You can get emulators on consoles from NES' to PS2s.

And, to play games on them you have to own that game on console first. (eg if you wanted to get a PSX emulater and play FFVII on it, you'd have to own FFVII on PS1 in the first place.)

What if you don't have the original. then what? How does it know if you have the game or not?

What are Bios?

It doesn't actually know if you haven't got the game or not, but if you don't it's technically illegal to download the ROMS. This doesn't deter people, though, as lots of people dowload the game ROMS anyway and play them.

And I don't really know what Bios are, but I gather they are needed to use certain emulators.

ROMs? What are they and where can you get them?

I've been trying to download some PSX and SNES emulators, but the compressed folders are corrupted or something. And it says there are no files to extract. What's going on?

Just do a Google Search for PS1 ROMS or SNES ROMS and marvel at your options. ROMS are the game files.

I've got no idea what's up with the emus your trying to download, so all I can say is try another one.
EDIT: www.emulator-zone.com Try it.

Originally posted by TK


There is a law about copyrights. If the copyrights on the product in question forbid it, then it's illegal. There's no gray area. Even in court cases that go on for ages, they aren't trying to decide if something is legal or not, they are determining it. According to what's written in the law, it's legal or not. We just have arguments about what's written in the law because we're human.

In cases where the law is adjusted because of a court case, it's not because the law said nothing about the issue, it's because what it did say was deemed unacceptable.

I think we're saying more or less the same thing in a different way. yes, there are laws about intellectual property that definitely protect video games- and a great number of people may be breaking those laws- but that doesn't neccesarily determine that everything associated with those crimes is automatically illegal. there's virtually no legal ground for emulators yet; they haven't found yet, according to the current law, which side they fall on.

there were originally lawsuits when "home cassette duplicators" came out, both for audio cassettes and VCR-stuffs. they can be used to violate copyright laws, but it actually took a few court cases to provide enough legal backing for a lot of major producers to start making them.


Originally posted by Landlord of Sector 7
Please everybody I didn't mean or want for this to turn into an arguement over if emulators are good or not. My Playstation was broke in half and I need something to play my games on which is why I was asking and no I am not just looking for free games. I have dial-up and each one of those games would take up way too much time to download. So please, no more arguing about if they are good or if they are bad.

yes, well, you see, the thread was closed for a while. we were trying to justify that it should remain open. ;D

http://www.zophar.net/ would be where you want to go.

Originally posted by TK
Calm down, for christ sake. You're getting awfully worked up.


Wrong, I'm only rightfully answering to what you said, which you have done yourself in the past. You can't really blame me for that, can you ?


Originally posted by TK

That is much better than telling me something I said was uncalled for.


Well, I simply thought speaking the way you have talked to me in the past would make you like it. It's logical, else you wouldn't have used that way of speaking yourself, have you ?


Originally posted by TK

Well, hey, check out MogKnight's last couple posts in this thread.


Not only this specific thread, he has been getting on my back ever since that argument I had with Rezo. Which is , indeed, quite uncalled for, since I don't understand why he'd need to do that. As far as I remember, harassment wasn't part of the Shrine's rules and even Super Mods have to abide by them.


Originally posted by TK

Then review that thread where you were saying all those bizarre things about dubbing/subbing and rezo beat you at arguing. I'm just speaking from what my experience has been. Sorry.


What exactly is "bizarre" to your definition, TK ? Just because you believe something is bizarre doesn't mean everyone believes so. Don't forget that Rezo didn't convince me at all and that I've said you can't "win" or "lose" an argument. And by saying this you've proven to me, like in MogKnight's case, that you weren't even paying attention to what I said. Because we were NOT arguing about subbing/dubbing. If you had READ what I said you'd already know what it was we were arguing about but obviously you didn't. If you weren't paying any real attention you can't validy judge one's argument, by the way.



Originally posted by TK

Yes I am. Everyone is. We all make assumptions about what each other mean.

Anyway, please explain what you intended to imply with that comment, then. I'd love to know.


Yes, everyone makes assumptions. But not all of them are good. I didn't mean to have any meaning on the legal points of emulation. All I wanted was to state the obvious, which I did. I always said I don't post unless I have something to say, I never said it has to be contributing to solving a problem.






Originally posted by TK

I have a right to imply anything I want about your life or anyone else's.


You may believe so but I would disagree. If I can't sing well then I wouldn't judge if someone sings well, see ? I only judge people on things I can do myself. That explain why I don't jugde voice acting on a language I don't understand.I know you probably think otherwise, but the fact remains I fail to see why it would allow you to bitch me about it. As I said, I've disagreed with many people but never failed to respect them. I think I'm not asking too much by asking the same out of other people, which would include you by the way. Whether you disagree or not would make no difference in the end but if you keep saying I'm stupid because of that then you obvioulsy are in no position to be calling yourself any better.


Originally posted by TK

No, but you do go around saying stupid stuff half the time. (I'm sorry, that WAS sort of uncalled for, but whenever someone sets up something like that I can't help but take it. So, don't get all emotional over it.)


That's what you would believe according to that quote, whether or not you were being sarcarstic or not, not everyone here necessiraly means to agree and even if they were, like I'd care.



Originally posted by TK

However, I have not bitched you out, all I did was criticize you and you got awfully upset about it. If you did ever imply anything about my life, I wouldn't care.


That sure didn't look like it.




Originally posted by TK

How much time do you think I spent on that post up there, anyway?

Well, more than what anyone who keeps saying "I don't care" would have. And I know that includes me. I do care about this place. And I do care about defending my opinions, be it from one of my real life friends (because unlike what you seemed to imply, I do have friends in real life) or from people I get to argue with, like you.


Originally posted by TK

Stories don't have morale; that's only attributed to living things.


Wrong, that's what stories usually stand for. You can get a moral from every story you get or event you live, be it meaningful to you...or not.


Originally posted by TK

Actually, lots of people said they were sorry I went and lots of people said they were glad when I came back, so, hey. I don't see what that has to do with the argument anyway, though. I could bring up some stupid posts you've made in the past too.


That had nothing with the argument, but as much as your
"nobody takes you seriously" part had. That's called sarcasm. You ought to know, you use it all the time.


Originally posted by TK

And I sure got it! Boy oh boy DAMN.

Well, whether or not this was sarcasm, yeah, I have to agree. You obviously can't tell whether or not I'm personally offended unless you can see what expression I have on my face when I have been typing a reply. We haven't met each other personnally, so I keep believing none of us can truly understand what each other means. We can only make assumptions, which aren't always good BTW. What's being typed and what's being meant sometimes require more than what what is being read. It's a "package deal " that includes seing the other's eyes. Well, maybe that's because I'm more the visual type but oh well...And whether you or anyone else disagrees I really could care less. What I do care about is telling what I believe. That's pretty much it. You are neither my friend nor my ennemy, so I don't have to take what you say for granted.

@Sarah :

Lemonade sounds good, but only if it's sweetened enough. See, I don't like it when it tastes too acid. Otherwise, lemonade is always good. Altough if it's to settle any difference I have with TK, or anyone else for that matter, it won't do. I drink lemonade to satisfy thirst, not to make points.

There are a few decent PSX Emulators around. ePSX is so far the only updated one. It is also one of the few free PSX emulators that still has its site running. However, it relys heavily on people writing plugins for it. Some plugins are excellent, however, some plain suck. (duh) Also, ePSX has plenty of compatibility problems with newer games, more noticeably Chrono Trigger, Xenogears and Final Fantasy IX.

If you don't want those, you can try getting a commericalised one. Bleem and CVGS fall into this place. However, under pressure from Sony, they have stopped updating the emulator. You need patches in order to play newer games, such as (again), Final Fantasy IX.

Right now, developers for ePSX or other PS1 emulator creators have more or less stopped updating the emulators. Most have, instead, begun projects on the next-gen consoles, such as PS2 and Xbox. Work on these two have begun, but most can barely play decent games, such as FFX. Many games could only load up to the starting screen, before dying off. Developers blame the lack of DVD speed as one issue.

On the Xbox, the only game which can be played is Halo, which is totally dumb, as there is a PC version in stalls now.

So, the best freeware PS emulator out there now is ePSX. If you are looking for friendly versions of CVGS..then good luck..kinda hard to find them now.

Also, I have to add that emulators are free, because while they use the BIOs chip, they do not give it out at all (Reason why Bleem and CVGS was stopped was because they provided it along with the emulator). By not posting the IMG files of the games, it will also not infringe any copyright laws of the Game makers.

:D personally i find emulators very useful for me because i can't afford a playstation or something like that. so please if anyone can find a emulator other then bleem! that doesn't require a bios file it would be very helpful. thank you and if this thread has been closed sorry for birnging it up again i have just been downloading tons of playstation emulators and the only one that works doesn'y have sound or memory storage (that would be Bleem!).

Nintendo have patented emulators in a crafty attempt to ban thier use, apparently.

Crafty.

Emulation is great for dead consoles, though. Since the games are mostly impossible to find, and the money wouldn't go to the company that made it anyways, even if you did buy it, since it will almost certainly be second-hand.

It's only really bad in the case of the GBA.