What would you say is the BEST rpg game u have ever seen or played? Diablo LOD used to be good but its getting a bit boring now for me.

Well, to me, it's going to be the first one I ever played.

Legend of Legaia.
It's characters were amazing, even though you could only play as three. It's story was simple yet great. It's music was moving and memorable. I can remember playing it. I loved it so much. Not in that way.

Second would be FF7. For great characters, awsome, deep, and perplexing storyline, and great music. In some ways it's better than LOG. But you can't beat the first RPG you've played. You can't beat the one that got you hooked on RPGs.

The best RPG of all time has to be D&D. It practically started it all, but that doesn't mean it's my favorite.

Final Fantasy VI.

Suikoden 2.

Final Fantasy VI.

Jamie, if you're going to bring up D&D, then you have to bring of LOTR, since it's pretty much responsible for the entire rpg universe.

Bard's Tale?

I'm kidding *ducks hurled tomatoes*.

Anyway, Legend of Legaia, Legend of Dragoon and Star Ocean 2 are among my favorites as far as battle systems go.

Storyline: FF7, Legend of Legaia, and Kingdom Hearts (even if it was hack-n-slash).

Overall favorite, I'd have to say Legend of Legaia. Mainly because it's better than almost every FF I've played in terms of the fun factor in it (Blasphemy!).

I've played way too many to pick just one fav...

so I'll list only my top three...

The old Dragonlance, AD&D pc games. I loved these, they were awesome!

Breath of Fire II. My first RPG on a console. I loved the whole story to it, the characters, the music everything was great, IMO.
Too bad Dragon Quarter came out....

finally, Mystaria : Realms of Lore on the Sega Saturn. It's a strategy RPG, and I played it once about 10 years ago. I missed out on buying it then, and it took 10 years for me to get a copy of it for my own. Cost me $100 AUS, but worth it.

Suikoden 1. It was my first RPG I ever played. Breath of Fire 4 was one of my favorites, too.

then you have to bring of LOTR

Speaking of which, they should make a LOTR RPG for PS2. One made up of all three books. I'd play it.

Originally posted by Lightning Mage


Speaking of which, they should make a LOTR RPG for PS2. One made up of all three books. I'd play it.

Wow. I think LOTR is too epic for one game.

Unless you mean like a game for each one.

At any rate, I kinda like the LOTR hack and slash games, when I'm in that sort of mood.

Hmm....

Either Vagrant Story or one of the Xeno games...

I'm going to give it to Vagrant Story simply because it was a game with far more ambitious gameplay than any other RPG I've played.

However, chances are Final Fantasy XI and the upcoming Project Ego look to be even better.

FFVI right now, but that could be pushed aside for Fable. (Just for Gandalf; Fable is the final name of the Project Ego game. Was set to come out in June, but has been pushed to August.)

My favs as far as storyline go, probablly FF10, and 7, then Shadow Hearts.

Originally posted by Odin
Bard's Tale?


Have you heard about the new Bard's Tale?

That one definitely has potential for greatness.

Yeah, I heard about it.

Well I don't know about best, but I'm really into Chrono Trigger at the mo.

final fantasy 7 and legend of the dragoon

chrono trigger, FFVI, FFVII, FFIV, and FFX. in no particular order. but out of these five, i give the slighest of edges to FFVI

why you ask?

because of terra

My favorite RPG ever is Legend of Dragoon because of its transformation and story. oh yeha also its cool :cool: techniques like "VOLCANO"!! :rolleyes:

Best RPG? There is only one that beats the rest, can be a bit boring if you dont know what u are doing, av u got it yet?

MORROWIND and xpacks + Plugin and MODS. The PC version, thats the best RPG ever, the rest are just story based games, this one is like you are really there! You should try it with a decent computer, AMAZING! You probably dont dont beleive me, but you should dled all the major mods and plugins for it then u will see.

As for my first RPG, that would have to be FF7, it kinda sucked at the time, I was more of a action fan in them days, I tried it a little later and it was quite good.

Originally posted by Lightning Mage


Speaking of which, they should make a LOTR RPG for PS2. One made up of all three books. I'd play it.

Who knows ? Maybe that's what EA is planning with the forthcoming "Lord of the Rings Trilogy" game that will be released in November. Although if it's yet another hack'n'slash, I won't complain because so far they've done a good job.

My favorite RPG of all time ? Final Fantasy VI. I loved everything, from the story to the characters, the music, the gameplay and so on.

Final Fantasy, Legaia, Seiken Densetsu might be best as well as the Tales of Phantasia, Destiny and Eternia.

FFVIII

Easily FFVI.

Maybe the FFVII n00bs don't visit this board often, but I'm happily surprised that we haven't had more "FFVII IS Teh BEST game EVar! U r stuupid 4 not thinkin dat"

Runners up, though:
-FFXI... 'cause its damn addicting
-FFV.... Yay for job system, and its storyline isn't that bad.
-SO2... 'cause of the battle system and Ashton!

Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VII.

I played Final Fantasy VI, but really didn't enjoy it too much.

Second Page ownage, boyeee!

Originally posted by Lightning Mage


Speaking of which, they should make a LOTR RPG for PS2. One made up of all three books. I'd play it.
EA have the righjts to the LOTR games.
Believe me on this one, there will never be a good LOTR RPG, because EA only want to make money, and face it, you LOTR-fanatics would pay for a box with "LOTR!!1!" on it and walk home smiling.

best rpg has to be ff7,sounds like a common answer,but its true

The Best RPG...hmm..honestly theres alotta good RPGs out there..but in my opinion .....final fantasy 7......good game..characters..plot......eveythin about it is good........my opinion....prolly get that alot jus stating tha facts .....lol.....

two words for you fuckers!

Chrono Trigger!!!;)

Originally posted by ThE_HaTe_U_GaVe
The Best RPG...hmm..honestly theres alotta good RPGs out there..but in my opinion .....final fantasy 7......good game..characters..plot......eveythin about it is good........my opinion....prolly get that alot jus stating tha facts .....lol.....

No, I believe that was stating your opinion in horrendous grammar. I can post quite a long post explaining my opinion of Final Fantasy VII. But I choose not to, mainly because it'd cause people you think great anguish, and it would bore and offend some people.
So, no, you were not "stating tha facts."

IT was A Opinion Stupid....we all have different opinions... ..urs is different then mines...so..oh well...

PlasmaTorture you should give your opinion, I'll read it :-D not that me reading it'll really make much of a difference in this world but I would still read it. But hmmm best RPG ever........hard question, I think I'll have to go with Pokemon ::hides behind his computer chair:: Just kidding just kidding, its an interesting game just not even close to being the best (or the most liked except by the poke-freaks of America or where ever they happen to be from), but the best would have to be Seiken Densetsu III, I never really owned the game...dont even think it came out in america (could be wrong, probably am wrong) but I played Translated Version of this SNES Bad Boy and it kicked some serious ass. Not much else to say on that...I still think Plasma should give us his opinion though.

Originally posted by ThE_HaTe_U_GaVe
IT was A Opinion Stupid....we all have different opinions... ..urs is different then mines...so..oh well...

Ouch, now you're calling me stupid?
You're the one who said your opinion was a fact in the first place, not me. Perhaps you have a bad memory. I knew a guy who had bad memory, once. He forgot that Lord of the Rings was just a story. He's still searching for Middle Earth today =(

@Reno
You asked for it :)


~*~*~*HEAVY SPOILER ALERT*~*~*~

Final Fantasy VII
The Great Meal With a Lousy Aftertaste

(Note: This is only about the bad parts of VII. The good doesn't need to be covered, you probably already know what is good about this game :x. And.... Disclaimer: This is all opinion :P)

FFVII started out innocent enough. It was quite enjoyable, actually. Only a few things really bugged me the first time through.

-Materia. What the hell? This stuff.. makes less sense.. then most other Final Fantasies. 1, 2, 4, 5, 11, and others had you buy spells. Makes sense. You read a scroll with information on how to cast a spell, so you can cast it. In 8, you took the essense of the magic out of the ground and you absorbed it into yourself. Makes sense still. 9... uh... well..... and X made sense, as the Sphere Grid wasn't involved in the storyline at all, just an innovative system for leveling up. And 6 had you learning spells by working with an Esper until it taught you it. All makes sense, to some extent.
However, 7 (and 9)'s ability system is too far-fetched for me. They never explain why these funny stones let you cast magic, or why this blue one lets you cast this other green stone's magic on multiple enemies, and the more you use the blue stone the more you can cast that green one it is linked to more times to hit everybody. Oh, and of COURSE that yellow one lets you use a new command, and the red one lets you summon something powerful!
But wait, these special stones only activate by being put in holes that your weapon or armlet has! Because, you know, obviously the best way to design a sword is too put holes in it (now, some had only three slots, which would make sense for the handles, but the rest with the 8 or so slots would definitley need to be on the blade itself).
So I was left thorougly confused throughout the game as to why these stones were so important. And why a mastered All materia sold for 1 million gil?

-Chocobos and KotR. Um... the breeding system... it was just... too difficult. You had to breed a "Good" with a "Great" chocobo or something, but you have very little way of telling what is what, so it is nearly impossible to get a gold chocobo without spending all of your time on it. And what do you get rewarded with? Materia that makes the game retardedly easy. (Yay, I can do 9999 damage over and over and over and over and over again without trying!!!!! me good at RPGz! FFVII is thu best evur!!!) Not to mention the fact that Knights of the Round didn't even make sense, Final Fantasy wise. Other summons are just random beasts 'n' stuff, but this summons the Knights of the Round Table? What the hell does that have to do with VII's storyline? Actually, I may have just figured it out while typing this, but I'll get to that later

-Yuffie, and the subsequent Nightmare in Wutai. Seriously. I've never been more pissed off in my life. I don't care if materia don't make sense in this case, but some character just stole it all and is extremely annoying? Now my characters can't do shit, and I have to run around for a long time. Man, I really like this Yuffie character so much! I'll definitley use her in battle! Just no. Did Square honestly expect me to use Yuffie after she made me want to strangle her?

Those were my main problems with it the first time through. I didn't mind Aeris dieing... she was an okay character, but... well... I'm trying to keep this organized :x

_Storyline_
After a second time through for all the subquests 'n' stuff, and thinking about the storyline (and its been years since then, and some of this stuff I'm just figuring out now)... and I realized how much it parallels the bible. You might as well call it Bible Xtreme, because that's about all the storyline is...
You start off as an innocent person, Cloud (Paul). Cloud (Paul) meets Aeris (Jesus) and at first is indifferent to her, but then later grows to lover her. And then Sephiroth (Satan, Sin, etc.) kills Aeris (Jesus). Then Cloud (Paul) goes on a long journey to stop Sephiroth (save the world from sin by spreading Jesus' message), though he's sometimes drawn to help Sephiroth ...like the black materia incidents (being tempted by sin). Just as it looks like Cloud (Paul) is going to be defeated by Sephiroth (world being taken over by sin), Aeris' (Returning of the messiah to save the world) Holy materia saves everyone and stops the meteor (imminent armageddon) from killing everyone. And then they add twists about the past, which doesn't all coincide with the Bible, but the main storyline does.
When the game's relationship with the Bible dawned on me, it utterly ruined my opinion of it. I mean, seriously. There's no storyline copied as much as the Bible is, and the main embracers of the Bible are people I despise. But I shouldn't get into religion too much. My basic veiwpoint is Catholic Church = one of the worst atrocities man kind has ever come up = strong believers in the Bible = the Bible is like the worst story ever. Someone once said that the Bible links made FFVII's storyline all the more masterful. I was extremely tempted to flame them, but I restrained myself and passed by the thread, wondering how anyone can be so ignorant....

-Characters. You might as well have the Heartless. Hmm... can I see myself in any of this characters? Yuffie.. hell no. Cait Sith... uh... a robot controlled by someone else who's honorable? Maybe a tiny bit.... no. Vincent was too shrouded in mystery, and I didn't really care. Barret wsa blah, TIfa was uber-blah, and I don't like Aeris in general. Red XIII I couldn't connect with at all. Which leaves Cloud, to maybe hold up the storyline. But he was so damn confusing, and showed so little emotion, caring for him or connecting to him was like trying to rock-climb a glass wall. It is quite depressing how little soul I felt coming from these characters, compared to the way I could see a little bit of myself in every FFVI character...


To summarize:
-Materia was stupid
-Chocobo breeding was too difficult, and the reward was the uber-items of the game that make it almost as hard as Pong. (and I think getting a Gold Chocobo and exploring the islands may be a reference to finding the holy grail... which would make sense as to why KotR are a summon. But that's skectchy at best)
-Yuffie was a pain in the ass
-The storyline was too much like the bible, and the non-bible relating parts were very confusing.
-The characters were un-connectable, for the most part.

Guys, can you lay off of the flaming please? I appreciate everyone's opinions in here, and calling people "stupid" isn't something that I want to see. Thank you.

As for the best RPG of all time? Tricky, but I'll go Morrowind for the sheer fact that I lost three months of my life playing it. The scope and the range and the ability to roam a huge world without the burden of a quest hanging over you makes the game the most unique RPG I've played, if nothing else. If you've got a PC with a relatively decent spec, pick this up with the two expansion packs. It's pretty dirt cheap now, being two years old.

Originally posted by PlasmaTorture

_Storyline_
After a second time through for all the subquests 'n' stuff, and thinking about the storyline (and its been years since then, and some of this stuff I'm just figuring out now)... and I realized how much it parallels the bible. You might as well call it Bible Xtreme, because that's about all the storyline is...
You start off as an innocent person, Cloud (Paul). Cloud (Paul) meets Aeris (Jesus) and at first is indifferent to her, but then later grows to lover her. And then Sephiroth (Satan, Sin, etc.) kills Aeris (Jesus). Then Cloud (Paul) goes on a long journey to stop Sephiroth (save the world from sin by spreading Jesus' message), though he's sometimes drawn to help Sephiroth ...like the black materia incidents (being tempted by sin). Just as it looks like Cloud (Paul) is going to be defeated by Sephiroth (world being taken over by sin), Aeris' (Returning of the messiah to save the world) Holy materia saves everyone and stops the meteor (imminent armageddon) from killing everyone. And then they add twists about the past, which doesn't all coincide with the Bible, but the main storyline does.
When the game's relationship with the Bible dawned on me, it utterly ruined my opinion of it. I mean, seriously. There's no storyline copied as much as the Bible is, and the main embracers of the Bible are people I despise. But I shouldn't get into religion too much. My basic veiwpoint is Catholic Church = one of the worst atrocities man kind has ever come up = strong believers in the Bible = the Bible is like the worst story ever. Someone once said that the Bible links made FFVII's storyline all the more masterful. I was extremely tempted to flame them, but I restrained myself and passed by the thread, wondering how anyone can be so ignorant....

-Characters. You might as well have the Heartless. Hmm... can I see myself in any of this characters? Yuffie.. hell no. Cait Sith... uh... a robot controlled by someone else who's honorable? Maybe a tiny bit.... no. Vincent was too shrouded in mystery, and I didn't really care. Barret wsa blah, TIfa was uber-blah, and I don't like Aeris in general. Red XIII I couldn't connect with at all. Which leaves Cloud, to maybe hold up the storyline. But he was so damn confusing, and showed so little emotion, caring for him or connecting to him was like trying to rock-climb a glass wall. It is quite depressing how little soul I felt coming from these characters, compared to the way I could see a little bit of myself in every FFVI character...


Well I can honestly say that I have never ever linked a game to the bible before (unless it was a kind of easy link that required no thinking which might be what you think FFVII is). But I think next time I play through the game I'll keep that in mind just to see how it plays.

You forgot about Cid, you named everylast character except Cid, and you can kind of make a connection with him (even if its a small one) because he speaks just like every teenager I know (might be different in your case). Still an interesting opinion none the less.


Originally posted by Bahamut ZEROAs for the best RPG of all time? Tricky, but I'll go Morrowind for the sheer fact that I lost three months of my life playing it. The scope and the range and the ability to roam a huge world without the burden of a quest hanging over you makes the game the most unique RPG I've played, if nothing else. If you've got a PC with a relatively decent spec, pick this up with the two expansion packs. It's pretty dirt cheap now, being two years old.

You could also get Morrowind and its expanasions (BloodMoon and Tribunal) for the XBox if you happen to have one, it runs really smooth (my computer version of Morrowind was so slow I hated the game).

Originally posted by FFE Reno

You forgot about Cid, you named everylast character except Cid, and you can kind of make a connection with him (even if its a small one) because he speaks just like every teenager I know (might be different in your case). Still an interesting opinion none the less.

heh, while that's sometimes the case for me :P, it isn't generally. Sorry about leaving Cid out. He was also one of my favoirtes to use in the game :x. Just shows how long it has been since I've played it >.>

FFVI. FF6 has been my favorite for many years and nothing has ever replaced it.

Plasma..your thinking way too hard on this. the only thing i can give you is yuffie, the rest of it was all extremely simple to comprehend...just go play it a couple more times through and you'll get it. Go FFVII!!!

Originally posted by Lord Vincent
Plasma..your thinking way too hard on this. the only thing i can give you is yuffie, the rest of it was all extremely simple to comprehend...just go play it a couple more times through and you'll get it. Go FFVII!!!

A) If I was going to play though another Final Fantasy, it would be continuing FFV, not playing FFVII again. I dunno if you noticed, but that game has very little to no replay value at all. And I've already between in twice, which is enough for me.

B) Uhh..... thinking too hard? So I should just accept that I "like" games whose storyline are based on the Bible? But I don't. According to you, not liking that aspect is thinking too hard? I think not.

C) Perhaps you're the oen who's at fault for not thinking about it. I chose to expand my horizons, and play more than just FFVII before deciding what was my favorite RPG. I also backed up my opinion. Evidence of either is lacking in your post.

To Everyone:
If you'd like to try to change my opinion on FFVII for whatever reason, at least give me something to debate over instead of "play it again and you'll understand it," especially considering I understand why I don't love it well enough.
People also seem to have a misconception of my veiwpoint of FFVII. It is a good game, I just criticized every aspect of it I could find, because it has been elevated to a pedestal where it shouldn't be.

I have played FFVll about 7 or more times through...i guess it really depends on the person playing it..you obviously are annolytical and like to observe absolutely every aspect of the game. i on the other hand simply choose to accept things for what they are.

I'm still debating with myself over this one. PlaneScape: Torment is just a masterpiece. It has the best story line I've ever seen, immemse character depth and plots. An awesome everchanging play world *mild spoilers* and it's one of the few games where you have to die to advance in the game. That's probably what I liked most.

There's Morrowind. Freedom is the keyword. Go do what you want, how you want, whenever you want. Ofcourse the sotry is good, love the music. Thousands of NPCs to talk with. There is no 'right' way to play this game.

Chrono Trigger. But I don't think I should tell why I find this game so great. Everyone else arguemented that for me.

Bahamut Lagoon. (No it has nothing to do with Bahamut known from all the FF games. It does look like a SNES version of FFTactics. Beacuse of the way battles are fought. But that's where similarities end. You control alot of characters, namely 16. Split up in 4 groups of 4. Every character has it's on charistics, strenghts, weaknesses uses magic or special attacks. Also, how far a group can move during battle depends on the character in it. Armor and weaponry also play a vital part during battles. This is forcing you to stratigize, covering the weaknesses of characters with others. Or making an all out assault team. More important. Every team has a Dragon, that like you, gains experience and grows. Outside of battle you can feed the Dragons special items or grass (special dragon feed with different statistics). Depending on the elements of the item you feed it, the dragon will devellop. You have a fire dragon, but naturally it's weak to ice, you can overcome it by feeding him accordingly. Your Dragon will grow different skills and abilities depending on how you raise them.

I absolutely love last named game by me.

quote: Originally posted by PlasmaTorture:

A) If I was going to play though another Final Fantasy, it would be continuing FFV, not playing FFVII again. I dunno if you noticed, but that game has very little to no replay value at all. And I've already between in twice, which is enough for me.

B) Uhh..... thinking too hard? So I should just accept that I "like" games whose storyline are based on the Bible? But I don't. According to you, not liking that aspect is thinking too hard? I think not.

Plasma... have I noticed that it has no replay value at all? I'm thinking the opposite here... I think it has astonishing replay value.

I also doubt that SquareSoft went out and based the story on the Bible. There is an incredible amount of stories (in books and video games) that can relate to the Bible. Countless stories have the good versus evil theme to them. You have to be pretty narrow-minded and ignorant not to think so. The hero (Jesus) goes out and saves the day from the wicked villain (Satan or evil itself).

I have to ask you... what did you think of "The Matrix"?

wow plasma...you just got served. i have to agree completely with omnipotent sephiroth.

OOOOOOOOHHH Plasma you better serve him back, then It's On!

Anyway best RPG of all time? My vote goes to Might and Magic 7. I know the game has flaws, and I know the graphics are down right horrible. However I've played that game for a longer period of time and more consistantly than any other game ever. Might and Magic 7 took up an entire summer of my life playing it at least 6 days a week. A game has to be damn good for me to play like that.

Durendal, you won't be dissapointed ;D


Originally posted by Lord Vincent
wow plasma...you just got served. i have to agree completely with omnipotent sephiroth.
That's probably the most ignorant thing I've read today. Thanks for the laugh, though.


@Sephiroth
Matrix 1 = Good, original, and the Bible paralells were hard to pick out. A great action movie

Matrix 2 = I left this movie wondering how the hell they could kill such a wonderful first movie. A useless, idiotic Dance 'n' Sex scene, horrendous script.... god... I don't want to remember this existed

Matrix 3 = Ugh... at least a small bit better than 2... until it yells out a big "Extra extra! Read all about it! Neo is Jesus! The whole storyline is the Bible of the new age!" -_-

On Repaly Value of FFVII:
What repaly value? Only things I can honestly think you would do differently is use different characters, get a different "girl" chosen by the Don, and get a different date. Hmm... only problem is, it doesn't matter at all what characters you choose because anyone can use KotR equally well. Anyone can do anything equally well, because normal (no materia changing the command) attacks and limit breaks were a side-note to victory. And the storyline doesn't change at all.
The only open-endedness is... leveling? Why not level in a Final Fantasy you haven't beaten yet? And the Golden Saucer? Just use your file that's already there.


The hero (Jesus) goes out and saves the day from the wicked villain (Satan or evil itself).
Uh-huh. Because obviously, if you believe in it, Jesus was out there with a sword in hand, swinging away at Satan?
A game needs more than a good guy and a bad guy to be based on the Bible. Generally, once you bring in a sacrifice for the good of mankind into the storyline, it still can be original. But FFVII and the Matrix have many more clear elements than that. I figured I explained it well in my post. Evidently, I did not.

Dude...plasma...i would like to write something somewhat intelligent to you but i really dont feel like it. you are a complete and utter fool. you have no idea what you are rambling about. except for that idea you have about what you are talking about. way to be just like one of them.

Oh snap Plasma! You just got served! You got Stalloned! *points at all your posts* hahahahahahaha. Dude... why did you have to go and be like Jeremy? PWNED

big fan of ff5, 6 and 7!

best rpg ever: Toot

Greetings everyone. Hopefully this will be my first and only post ever, because I'm not in 7th grade. This post will probably be really long and the first crapload will be less important to my overall points. This whole post will be directed to PlasmaTorture and I'll have to explain some things to make sense.

First, I will most likely use the word "fool" several hundred times in this post. It can have meanings of different levels. For example, I will call my friends fools because they say foolish things. I may also call you foolish because you are a straight up fool that doesn't know what you're talking about.

Lord Vincent and Omnipotent_Sephiroth have always been my 2 best friends. That is why their posts seem slightly similar. Apparently the past few days they decided to be fools and go on these forums and start arguing about FFVII, which I just found out about. A good way to think of us is as Ed, Edd, and Eddy, which I know all of you fools watch! Lord Vincent is Ed, except he cares less about people and thinks even less. Omnipotent_Sephiroth is Eddy, except less retarded but more strange, and also a beast, much like a Trained Orgg (Magic: The Gathering card). And I am of course, Edd, the intelligent one that keeps the slackers together, except I'm more lazy.
Everything in their posts are a reflection of this and also filled with a bunch of foolish inside jokes between us that none of you would know anything about. That's why they are fools.
Lord Vincent's first post tells you that you are thinking way too hard. It is because he doesn't like to think about things, he usually only understands things past the violence/sex when I explain it to him. This is fine, since everyone likes to look at things differently. However, it isn't a very compelling arguement to anything, since you have your own foolish complicated opinion. By saying you think way too hard he was trying to express all the things he saw wrong with what you said, which I will explain later, but then he remembered that he is lazy so he just wrote that. He thinks the storyline is easy to comprehend, and he does get it. Whatever you want to think of past the words in the game is up to you. But I don't think if you played the game several more times you would get it, like he tries to say. You seem to be extremely fixed on your one position. Then at the end of his post, he doesn't know why he is still typing so he randomly says "Go FFVII!!!"
In Lord Vincent's second post he uses the number 7 because he had just typed FFVII, so the number 7 was in his mind. But seriously, he's probably played through it at least 4 times. The rest of his post I don't even know why it's there. He isn't even trying to insult you or anything. He is just repeating that you observe everything in depth and he just accepts things how the game tells him.
In Omnipotent_Sephiroth's first post I will agree that I believe FFVII has great replay value. I have to say that every person I have known personally who has played FFVII has said it is one of the best RPGs they know, or at least wasn't a waste of time for them. It has been too long since I beat FFVII and I forgot a lot of the storyline, so I actually intend to beat it again sometime soon. I suppose some people just wouldn't want to replay the game, but I wouldn't bet on too many. It is strange to me that it seems like you have played several or many RPGs, but wouldn't consider FFVII high quality and worth replaying. My friend is most likely also correct in saying that Squaresoft didn't base the story on the Bible. It just doesn't seem like something they would do, it's slightly illogical for everything to be as you say, and Japanese people probably don't care about religion as much as us... they are like anime and video games bwahahaha. Basically all RPGs will have some kind of good and evil like he says, and most can be related to the Bible in some foolish way if you try hard enough. Many stories in the Bible can be related to many things in life, that's why they are there, but that doesn't mean FFVII's storyline was created based on it. Then I have to say I don't know why he would say Jesus saves the day from Satan... obviously he is foolish.
In Lord Vincent's third post, he says you got served because he is a fool and that's what he does. Then he says he agrees completely with our other friend because that's what they do and you aren't suppose to know they are best friends.
Then this fool Durendal adds his hilarious bit which is unnecessary but fits nicely to bring up the level of owning.
In Lord Vincent's fourth post he said he would write something intelligent, but he has a problem with formulating his anger of fools into words, and is also lazy. So when he said that, he was counting on me to write this post to own you. He then continues to call you a complete and utter fool because he has nothing else to say, and it is the truth. He says you don't know what you are rambling about, but then he realizes you do know what you are rambling about, it's just wrong. So he has 2 sentences their to say something, then correct himself. Then he says "way to be just like one of them." Saying this actually had significant meaning, he just doesnt explain things though. When he says "them" he is talking about 2 of our other friends, but more specifically one of them. We will refer to him as variable J. Now I will explain to you what he was trying to say with his very foolish and unexplainatory statement by using and example from something that happened in the past:
A while back we used to play the trading card game Yu-Gi-Oh. I really hope you know about it, because it will help you understand this better. Variable J possesses a card named "Harpie's Feather Duster," which destroys all your oppenent's magic and trap cards on the field. I possess a card called "Fake Trap," which prevents your trap card(s) from being destroyed by an oppenent's card effect (I don't have the exact wording because I'm too lazy to get the card out). Variable J claimed that I am not allowed to activate my "Fake Trap" card in response to his "Harpie's Feather Duster" card to prevent my trap card(s) from being destroyed. However, you can clearly see that I am right. I tried telling him that my card definitely protects my traps from his card, but he kept responding 100% seriously that it doesn't work like that and I am definitely wrong. So I ended the arguement in disbelief that he really thought he was right. Then I E-Mailed Upperdeck Entertainment, the company that makes the cards/hosts the tournaments and asked them the question. I was right, but that's only half the point. What Lord Vincent was trying to say by the quote "way to be just like one of them" is that you are being exactly like variable J. You make a valid point, but only look deeply into one side and one angle. That is why a lot of what you say is wrong. You just respond "no you are wrong because i decided" with no or foolish evidence/opinions to support your feeble hypothesese. That is what Lord Vincent was trying to say in this post. Just so you don't think he is some fool that is saying random things, although he is most of the time.
Then in Omnipotent_Sephiroth's second post, he is just saying nothing and trying to make you feel foolish by saying more random things and backing up Lord Vincent's other posts. He also says "why did you have to go and be like Jeremy?" for the same reason as Lord Vincent in the previous post (he says Jeremy, referring to variable J). He says "You got Stalloned" for reasons which will become clear at the conclusion of this document.

That wraps up why my foolish friends were talking in the first place. Now... onto the owning of PlasmaTorture.

::Cracks neck::

I'm gonna start with your second post I think (the one posted on 4-30). If I was offended by being called stupid, I would feel really foolish, because there's a lot more things that you should actually be offended by. Those lines about Lord of the Rings, reading them was a waste of my time. "The Great Meal With a Lousy Aftertaste" = foolish analogy. It should be more like The Awesome Meal With a Crazy Aftertaste.
It has been probably over 2 years now since I beat FFVII, so I don't remember every detail. But I am very sure the materia does make sense. There was something about mako energy crystalizing and getting magical properties of ownage... but it definitely made sense if you paid attention. The materia is different colors to make it damn less confusing for players, I may be wrong, but I don't recall characters in the game making reference to the actual color of materia, besides the black materia. It is a video game, an RPG, this is how things work. No RPG makes anywhere near complete sense in realistic terms, and I would say FFVII is one of the most sense-making I know. All you gotta do is think and read hard enough, it will make sense. Maybe it is also from watching savage amounts of anime, that so much of doesn't make any sense, and FFVII compared to them makes great sense.
Here's something that doesn't make sense for you. I see you play FFXI. I also play (27 MNK/14 RDM). It is a high quality game, but what about this? Two-hour skills, I know you know them. MNK - Hundred Fists, and RDM - Chainspell. Anytime, once every 2 hours, your character can savagely cast spells crazy fast or attack psychotic amounts faster for 30 seconds? It sounds a little skeptical. You are just like... right now I'm gonna attack 5x as fast as normal based on nothing but I feel like it. Also, the MNK skills lvl 5 - Boost (raises attack for next hit), lvl 15 - Dodge (raises evasion for 2 min every 5 min), lvl 25 - Focus (raises accuracy for 2 min every 5 min). The monk attacks monsters until he reaches these levels, at which point he realizes he can increase his stats for 2 min every 5 min? He's just like... I power myself up now using my will. Furthermore, the RDM lvl 10 skill Resist Petrify. That makes so much sense right there. The red mage kills monsters until reaching level 10, at which point he decides he has an increased resistance to petrification based on nothing. You could have never been petrified getting to level 10 and nothing you have done is relevant at all to petrification, yet he decides he will resist petrification. This is how RPGs work, and it owns. The materia system in FFVII is one of the best systems I've seen in an RPG because of the crazy amounts of different combinations that can be performed to do psychotic things. If everything makes sense, the system wouldn't work and I probably wouldn't replay the game.
As for putting the materia in your weapons and armlets. Have you ever heard of sockets? They are used in Diablo 2, and a similar system is used in FFX. Also, in many fantasy books, stones and gems are forged into weapons and armor to give magical properties. It is called magic, and it owns.
Who cares if a mastered All sells for 1 million gil, it doesn't matter. Gil is mad easy to get without selling a foolish mastered All, and if you are smart you will easily be able to get everything you need with crazy amounts of extra gil. It is all unnecessary and doesn't matter.

If you have a problem with breeding qualities of Chocobos maybe you don't understand biology. If 2 high quality animals breed, they will most likely produce offspring with high quality attributes as well. Farmers do this with domestic animals such as cattle and pigs that are the biggest and most healthiest to get offspring that are the same. So... breeding the highest quality Chocobos will create the highest quality Chocobos, or even a higher quality, eventually resulting in the crazy Gold Chocobo of ownage. I am also pretty sure that it tells you the quality of the Chocobo if you push buttons that do things, so I don't know what your problem is with "you have very little way of telling what is what," apparently you must be a fool. It was a little annoying to get a Gold Chocobo, but I didn't spend all my time on it. I don't know why you would say it is nearly impossible unless you are a fool. I am an unlucky bastard and I remember I had to restart 27 times to get a Gold Chocobo, but Lord Vincent only had to do it twice, but there are many things in other games that are much more foolish and annoying. And of course, the reward is quite worth it anyway. I beat Sephiroth before I even got a Gold Chocobo or Knights of the Round, the game isn't hard at all. If you actually need Knights of the Round to beat Sephiroth, you just shouldn't exist and should feel extremely foolish and retarded. So the game is easy enough as it is, and getting Knights of the Round to actually beat Sephiroth is a complete waste of time and you should feel foolish for doing it. Anyone who thinks it is necessary to beat the game is retarded and should realize they probably aren't good at RPGs. I think Knights of the Round is only there to beat the Emerald/Ruby Weapons. This actually takes some skill even with Knights of the Round. I will say I almost completely relied on Knights of the Round to defeat the Emerald Weapon, but that's what they expect you to do. If Knights of the Round wasn't in the game, I'm sure these Weapons would be much weaker, at least HP wise. Also they have the Ruby Weapon counters Knights of the Round with Ultima, so it isn't too wise to use it against him. So basically the entire point of Knights of the Round in the game is to beat the Emerald Weapon and you should feel foolish for crying about it being there. I just can't comprehend someone needing it to actually beat the storyline game. If you have enough skill to get Knights of the Round, you should have enough skill to beat the game without needing it. I would never use Knights of the Round against something that isn't the Emerald Weapon because it is a waste of time from the cinematic and I can kill things much faster without using it. If you use Knights of the Round against something that isn't the Emerald Weapon, I have logically concluded that you are a fool.
Furthermore, it is kind of funny that the Knights of the Round Table are in this game, since you are right that it doesn't make sense. But it is suppose to be a secret summon of ultra chaos, and those never make sense. Knowing this, Knights of the Round should just be accepted and not questioned because bringing something like that up is just foolish.

If you have seriously never been more pissed off in your life then when Yuffie stole your materia... then I don't even know what to say. Do you even exist? Do you go to school? Do people talk to you? I don't get it, you must have some kind of lack of living to never have been more pissed off. There are so many more things in life to be pissed off about. You shouldn't waste anger on something so foolish. I mean, you didn't even lose in a video game to another person. You are just mad at an NPC in a game? First, I can just say that this is a side quest. A side quest. That means by definition you are in no way obligated to complete it to beat the game. It is an optional event, and most of the time it is better for options to be there than not. You just gotta look at things in a different way. When Yuffie stole my materia I was like wow this awesome ninja chick just stole all my materia from these crazy skillful guys, she must be mad skillful. So now I use her, because she is that cool. Everyone likes different characters, and having characters with ranging personalities makes the game more enjoyable for a larger number of people. Fool.

Aeris was clearly the coolest character, and you should have minded that she died. You should have watched her dying over and over again until you started to cry. Then you would feel the pain, and maybe you would even get pissed off at Sephiroth, more than Yuffie.

When I heard you start comparing FFVII to the Bible, I actually wanted to grab you and just smack you. Then smack you again for being an uber fool. And just to let you know, you are the first person I have ever called an uber fool, that is really bad. That means you are like more of a fool than the Supreme Kai of fools. Now I have to say that I don't believe in God, a Supreme Being, or religion. However, I own a Bible and made a confirmation from a Protestant church. Contrary to this, I have never suspected FFVII or any other video game to be completely based off the Bible, because that idea is so foolish. Besides the whole idea that you think Squaresoft based the storyline of FFVII on the Bible, which is wrong and uber foolish, the first thing I notice is that you say Sephiroth (Satan) kills Aeris (Jesus). From what I remember, which could be wrong, I don't think Satan came up from Hell and slaughtered Jesus, similar to what Sephiroth did to Aeris. Yeah it definitely wasn't Satan that killed Jesus. And Aeris wasn't really dying for sins or anything, kind of maybe, but the getting killed thing just happened. Sephiroth was like "You're dead because I decided" and that's the way it was. Comparing Aeris dying to Jesus dying is plain wrong on about 3 levels, plus it makes you an uber fool. Also, Cloud isn't trying to spread some kind of message and save the world from sin. I think he just wants to stop Sephiroth from going psycho evil and destroying the world and such. I don't think the game really mentions anything about Cloud caring about sins. If you really want to think about it that much, maybe you can say hes tempted by the Black Materia like Paul, but that's seriously almost definitely a coincidence. The same kind of thing happens in a lot of games, like Diablo, when you kill Diablo and jam his soulstone into your head so you become the new Diablo. Not to mention in almost every MMORPG you can play as an "evil" race. This next part is a little fuzzy though. I don't remember exactly what happened in the game with Aeris and the meteor. And I am also probably wrong about this, but I don't know if Jesus returning stopped an Armageddon. I didn't think that's what happened, and if I'm right it proves you wrong again. But if I'm wrong it is still too circumstantial and you are still an uber fool. You would probably say if in any game a person died and came back to save the world it would be because they took that from the Bible right? Saying things like that is what defines an uber fool. Then you say "When the game's relationship with the Bible dawned on me, it utterly ruined my opinion of it." This is all in your mind. It isn't true and I will never believe it. FFVII will always be fun and an awesome game for me because I don't make things up like this to make myself hate the game. You can't just decide the storyline is from the Bible. Even if you really believe that, you can still ignore it. Now you are wrong, making yourself hate the game because of foolish theories you made up in your mind, and you are an uber fool. I honestly think Squaresoft didn't purposely make all those retardedly inaccurate references to the Bible for that reason, they were trying to make a good game, and they succeeded. Whoever said "the Bible links made FFVII's storyline all the more masterful" is also a fool. Since this person is wrong in the first place and that FFVII shouldn't be looked at as being compared with the Bible. Look at it as a damn video game with a crazy storyline and stop trying to compare everything in your foolish life to the Bible.

Yuffie = Owns. You hate her because she stole your materia and made you cry because you had to take time to do other things in the game and couldn't handle being without your materia. Foolish.
Cait Sith = Foolish, but it's a robot, not meant to be human. Maybe some people out their appreciate Caith Sith.
Vincent = Awesome guy. Being shrouded in mystery is what make him what he is and a cool guy, obviously. You can't criticize the game like a fool because you didnt like the characters. Again, I don't know anyone who played the game and doesn't have a character they think owns.
Barret = High quality honorable man with a semi-tragic past and goals for the present/future. "blah" offers no reason or explaination to anything. Barret owns you, fool.
Tifa = Foolish because she disgraces the hand to hand style and Aeries is way cooler, however that is just my opinion.
Aeries = Ultra cool. There is actually nothing you can say to prove she is a bad or foolish or low quality character, and I have the equations to prove it. This is not a joke.
Red XIII = A beast. He actually completes a lot of the storyline. He is like some kind of faithful companion, but has his own important past as well. He also brings out some emotions from the other characters, quite vital indeed.
Cloud = Stereotypical RPG main character. Spikey hair guy with a sword trying to find his past. If you weren't a fool you wouldn't be so confused by him. It is kind of hard for him to show emotion when he is trying to figure out who he is and what his past is. If your intelligence was slightly more superior, you might be able to connect with him. But it doesn't seem like you have experienced much of life since the thing that pissed you off the most in life with Yuffie stealing your materia. These are the facts.
I tried to define the characters more with facts than foolish opinions, which can't be used to criticize the game at all. Different people like the characters in different games more or less. I guess for a foolish person like you, you didn't like them. But I would guess the majority of people who play this game would like some of the characters at least, if they couldn't connect well with one. So you shouldn't even have included this section in your foolish article about the bad things about FFVII, which makes you an uber fool.

To Summarize:
-Materia owns if you aren't a fool and understand it and use it to its potential.
-Chocobo breeding isn't very difficult compared to tasks from other games, and you are a fool if you cry about it, since it is optional and all. The Knights of the Round you get from this is elite, but a waste of time using it against anything except the Emerald Weapon, so crying about it is foolish and doesn't matter. Comparing this to pong is a foolish analogy because pong is only as difficult as your oppenent, which can obviously be a wide range, while Chocobo breeding is always the same with a slight variation of luck. Getting a Gold Chocobo and exploring islands has nothing to do with foolish holy grails. It is extremely common in many video games to do some kind of crazy task to get something, then find something that is secretly hidden where you get a crazy item. I mean, I could be wrong, that doesn't sound like a lot of video games at all does it? Remember those Donkey Kong games with the crazy amounts of hidden secret barrels in every level... those games owned.
-Yuffie still owns and you are still just crying because you don't understand her and maybe don't like challenges either since it doesn't seem like you realize how easy a game FFVII is.
-The storyline still has nothing to do with the Bible and the non-Bible related parts were confusing because you were trying to relate them with the Bible parts, but the Bible parts really aren't suppose to be related to the Bible and you aren't suppose to be thinking about the Bible at all when playing it. If you just play and pay attention to the story line without making things up in your mind and comparing it to things that it shouldn't be compared to you might actually understand it, then you wouldn't be an uber fool.
-You are the only person I have heard of that thinks none of the characters are connectable... but then again I don't spend all my time in forums polling people about it.

You should be ashamed for leaving Cid out, but I won't call you a fool. I mean... who doesn't like Cid? Maybe you should beat the game one more time and you could realize that it doesn't relate to the Bible, but maybe you won't.

And the next post now.
A. Fine if you want to play different games now, but saying FFVII has no replay value is foolish and I think I explained why. You tried making your inferior opinion look like a fact, when it clearly isn't.

B. It doesn't matter if you like games based on the Bible, because I can't name one. You are trying to make it a fact again that FFVII is based on the Bible, but there is nothing to prove that at all. You are thinking, but thinking in the wrong way. You are thinking things that are wrong and it is only making the game lesss enjoyable for yourself because of your proposterous insinuations at Squaresoft. That is the real problem, think more wide and stop thinking more deep. Don't you get it! You think deep and narrow. Lord Vincent thinks wide and shallow. I think wide and deep, understand it fool. You probably won't give the game another chance, but if you really wanted to, I bet you could see this point.

C. See B. You also have no evidence, it is all completely foolish opinions and theories conjured up in your inferior feeble brain. You are going the wrong way. You thought too deep and now you don't know what your thinking anymore. You can't do that, it doesn't work, it isn't meant to happen. You think every word in this game was specifically meant to relate in 20 different ways to the Bible, but that isn't how it is. It has a crazy, good, somewhat complex storyline. The game relates to itself, itself, good vs evil, and maybe a little bit of what some stories in the Bible are trying to teach, just like many many other things out in the world. But it is in no way trying to imitate the entire concept of the Bible. Dang blasted uber fool.

I think I gave you good reasons for debate. You don't have to play the game again, but it is most likely the best way you will understand it. It isn't even a matter of simply playing through the game. You have to do what you did with your ideas about the Bible, and inverse them. Look at it the other way, any other way. Just don't say you think it is a bad game because it relates to the Bible, lies. You could give up now and forget about it, but maybe you don't want to, otherwise you probably wouldn't have posted all that you did in this forum. I'm sure you like other games better, probably a lot because you like the characters better and they don't steal your materia, but plenty of people think this is one of the best RPGs and it has some of the highest quality characters and it does deserve the dominating pedestal fans have awarded it. Games don't just get to be that popular and talked about. It is all the people who played the game that put it on that pedestal. Apparently so many other people understand, so if you want, just take that little time to think a little why everyone else thinks this way, but you don't. A lot of times the majority is right. But if you really want to keep foolish ideas about relating to the Bible that don't make sense, then do it and leave FFVII alone and keep it to yourself. Your choice fool.

And the final post up to this point:
You say "That's probably the most ignorant thing I've read today. Thanks for the laugh, though." in response to "wow plasma...you just got served. i have to agree completely with omnipotent sephiroth." This actually isn't ignorant at all. Saying you got served is just foolish and has almost no meaning at all. And agreeing with another opinion isn't ignorant, since there was nothing ignorant about the original opinion here. You yourself have said many ignorant things in your posts, if you hadn't noticed. And I'm not just saying that dude, you are seriously more ignorant than you think.

Matrix 1 = Owns. Crazy storyline of pure ownage. Bible parallels were hard to pick out because they didn't specifically put references to the Bible in. It just happens, since the Bible can relate to so many things on so many different levels. He didn't ask you about the Matrix to hear you say things about the Bible, you probably assumed he was thinking that and you wanted to give that response because that's what you do, come up with crazy things in your mind, but whatever.

Matrix 2 = Owns. Less storyline, but action owns. Dance and sex scene completely pointless.

Matrix 3 = Doesn't really matter. Way more foolish except for some parts. I don't think everyone saw Neo as Jesus in this and it is crazy ignorant to say that this movie was completely made and suppose to be taken in as the "Bible of the new age."

You really just missed the point, those aren't the things you should be doing different. Maybe you shouldn't do anything different, except not look at it as the Bible! You should always use your favorite characters, and if you really don't like them, maybe you shouldn't play the game at all. And you still make it seem like using Knights of the Round isn't a waste of time. Making everyone almost equal is just a different approach, and it makes it easier to use your favorite characters. It doesn't really matter at all in this game. Getting level 99 in this game is really easy, but people play it because the game just owns that much, especially when you don't think everything is related to the Bible, like a fool.

Now you are saying the game did a bad job representing the Bible? It was never suppose to represent the Bible, maybe that's why!


If you ever want to argue, send me an instant message, HybridMatrix1337. I might not answer though since I might not feel like talking about this further. And I will Probably be playing Warcraft 3 or Asheron's Call.

I really need to know if you don't mind, why is your avatar that picture?

Also, I just wanted to know, how old are you?

And, if anyone actually read this whole thing, I really want to know.

Now...

PLASMATORTURE, YOU JUST GOT OWNED SO BAD, YOU JUST GOT STALLONED.

Wow, hmm, where to start?
For one, I could esily report you for flaming me. I, however, won't, as it seems pointless. You yourself say you won't be coming back, so =\.

However, let me say, before I adress everything, you are acting highly immature about this... Obviously you and your supreme ultimate mental powers are better than me? Yet you can't type three sentences without the word "fool," which is the trademark of people who think they're smart, but really just piss everyone off.

Also, you say "You're a fool 'cause your opinion is wrong! Why is your opinion wrong? Because I said my opinion is right!"

Who's really the fool?




Originally posted by AerisPwnzzors
Greetings everyone. Hopefully this will be my first and only post ever, because I'm not in 7th grade.

Because only seventh graders use the forums?



First, I will most likely use the word "fool" several hundred times in this post. It can have meanings of different levels. For example, I will call my friends fools because they say foolish things. I may also call you foolish because you are a straight up fool that doesn't know what you're talking about.
Flame number one. Don't walk into a school cafeteria during lunchtime with a gun.


Lord Vincent and Omnipotent_Sephiroth have always been my 2 best friends...

Err... I found this section slightly ammusing. I feel bad that you have such friends, though.
Except for:


and Japanese people probably don't care about religion as much as us... they are like anime and video games bwahahaha

Which is highly ignorant of you. Japanese culture is nothing like that.... at all. Yes, Anime (I'm assuming you wouldn't even know how to pronounce that correctly) and video games come from Japan.... but the people are very "religious".... well, at least, they follow their traditions, which is based on religion.


A while back we used to play the trading card game Yu-Gi-Oh. I really hope you know about it .... Then I E-Mailed Upperdeck Entertainment, the company that makes the cards/hosts the tournaments and asked them the question. I was right, but that's only half the point.

Well congrats; I used to be a player. However, Upperdeck has proven themselves continually to be wrong about rulings, at least when I played. But that has nothing to do with this >.>



That wraps up why my foolish friends were talking in the first place. Now... onto the owning of PlasmaTorture.
You're arrogant and are obsessed with the word fool. How I pity you...


Those lines about Lord of the Rings, reading them was a waste of my time.

Sorry o great one! I am not worthy of your time! -.-


"The Great Meal With a Lousy Aftertaste" = foolish analogy. It should be more like The Awesome Meal With a Crazy Aftertaste.

Wow... you're.... very hyppocritical. Insanely. That basically reads "Your opinion is wrong. It should've been MY opinion." Really, you're the "fool."



There was something about mako energy crystalizing and getting magical properties of ownage... but it definitely made sense if you ... so much of doesn't make any sense, and FFVII compared to them makes great sense.

Again, you assume too much. All I said was that materia makes very little sense. Every other ability system from Final Fantasy, except 9, makes much more. Perhaps you've only played FFVII? That'd explain why you don't expect the series to be just a little bit more logic-based than "Magic stone makes me powerful!"



Here's something that doesn't make sense for you ... If everything makes sense, the system wouldn't work and I probably wouldn't replay the game.

Right. It doesn't make sense for me? Thanks for telling me what I think.
Nor did I ever say FFXI is perfect. Nor did I ever say any game is perfect. You really should've payed attention. I was merely pointing out the overlying flaws in FFVII, and then why I have been dissapointed in the game, to a point where I strongly dislike it.


As for putting the materia in your weapons and armlets. Have you ever heard of sockets? They are used in Diablo 2, and a similar system is used in FFX.
Yes, I've heard of sockets -_-. Did I every say Diablo 2 was a perfect game? However, you clearly cannot socket "armlets" in D2, so I don't know why you bring that up. And still, that makes more sense. Gems/Skulls in the game didn't, but Runes and Jewels (d2X) did. Both were magically enchanted. Materia? Materia makes about as much sense.... I'll get that in a second.



Also, in many fantasy books, stones and gems are forged into weapons and armor to give magical properties. It is called magic, and it owns.
Yet FFVII never says Materia has anything to do with magic. I don't remember Magic being mentioned much at all in that game, outside of battle.



Who cares if a mastered All sells for 1 million gil, it doesn't matter. Gil is mad easy to get without selling a foolish mastered All, and if you are smart you will easily be able to get everything you need with crazy amounts of extra gil. It is all unnecessary and doesn't matter.
Hmm, that came out as a flame. So to be considered smart, you have to sit around and level for a long time? Right... yet the "smartest" Final Fantasy players can complete any of the games at the lowest possible level, with the lowest amount of gil, and least amount of time.



If you have a problem with breeding qualities of Chocobos maybe you don't understand biology. If 2 high quality animals breed, they will most likely produce offspring with high quality attributes as well. Farmers do this with domestic animals such as cattle and pigs that are the biggest and most healthiest to get offspring that are the same. So... breeding the highest quality Chocobos will create the highest quality Chocobos, or even a higher quality, eventually resulting in the crazy Gold Chocobo of ownage. I am also pretty sure that it tells you the quality of the Chocobo if you push buttons that do things, so I don't know what your problem is with "you have very little way of telling what is what," apparently you must be a fool.

Flame again... you really need to learn rules before posting. First of all, I complete understand how breeding works. I'm not an idiot. However, I believe you had to breed a "A class Great" and a "C class Good" chocobo, but you have no way of knowing what's Good and what's Great before getting to the stable, and even that is very very unclear. I tried following guides, and they don't really help when you can't tell what you're doing. Perhaps I missed something, but it felt like I was shooting for a moving target--- blindfolded.



It was a little annoying to get a Gold Chocobo, but I didn't spend all my time on it. I don't know why you would say it is nearly impossible unless you are a fool.

Flame again.


If you actually need Knights of the Round to beat Sephiroth, you just shouldn't exist and should feel extremely foolish and retarded.

Exactly


I think Knights of the Round is only there to beat the Emerald/Ruby Weapons. This actually takes some skill even with Knights of the Round. I will say I almost completely relied on Knights of the Round to defeat the Emerald Weapon, but that's what they expect you to do. If Knights of the Round wasn't in the game, I'm sure these Weapons would be much weaker, at least HP wise. Also they have the Ruby Weapon counters Knights of the Round with Ultima, so it isn't too wise to use it against him. So basically the entire point of Knights of the Round in the game is to beat the Emerald Weapon and you should feel foolish for crying about it being there.

But if you're good at the the game, Ruby and Emerald should be just as plausible without KotR as Sephiroth. It still doesn't matter if people are "foolish," because frankly, the vast majority of FFVII super-fans used KotR to beat Sephiroth, and brag about how good they are. 90% of the ones I've met have, anyways.


I just can't comprehend someone needing it to actually beat the storyline game. If you have enough skill to get Knights of the Round, you should have enough skill to beat the game without needing it.

But according to you, it's really easy to get KotR and only a fool can't? Stop contradicting yourself.



I would never use Knights of the Round against something that isn't the Emerald Weapon because it is a waste of time from the cinematic and I can kill things much faster without using it. If you use Knights of the Round against something that isn't the Emerald Weapon, I have logically concluded that you are a fool.

Another flame. Did I ever once say that I used KotR at all my first time through the game? Not that I recall. So you conclude that I'm a fool based on your assumptions that are pulled out of nowhere. So far, you've done absolutley nothing to prove your point except flame me and say that you're right.



Knowing this, Knights of the Round should just be accepted and not questioned because bringing something like that up is just foolish.

Uh-huh. You should be just like Lord Vincent, and take everything for what it is.



If you have seriously never been more pissed off in your life then when Yuffie stole your materia... then I don't even know what to say. Do you even exist? Do you go to school? Do people talk to you? I don't get it, you must have some kind of lack of living to never have been more pissed off. There are so many more things in life to be pissed off about. You shouldn't waste anger on something so foolish. I mean, you didn't even lose in a video game to another person. You are just mad at an NPC in a game? First, I can just say that this is a side quest. A side quest. That means by definition you are in no way obligated to complete it to beat the game. It is an optional event, and most of the time it is better for options to be there than not. You just gotta look at things in a different way. When Yuffie stole my materia I was like wow this awesome ninja chick just stole all my materia from these crazy skillful guys, she must be mad skillful. So now I use her, because she is that cool. Everyone likes different characters, and having characters with ranging personalities makes the game more enjoyable for a larger number of people. Fool.
Many flames there.
Have you ever heard of ~gasp~ exaggeration? Oh, it must be a complete new concept to you. And I certainly don't remember it being a sidequest... If it was, why would I bother skipping it? That's just ignorant. "This part annoys me so I won't ever ever do it again, despite the rewards for doing it." And so, you call me a fool because you think Yuffie is good, I think Yuffie is bad, and you say there's a large number of different characters to appeal to everyone? Wow, you just contradicted yourself again. Because you like this character, everyone else must too? And by the way, FFVII didn't have that wide variety of characters to choose from. Not compared to 1 (your entire party affects the way you play the game. Much more custimization than different skin-palletes to equip materia onto), 3j, 5, 6, X-2, XI, and T and T:A.




Aeris was clearly the coolest character, and you should have minded that she died. You should have watched her dying over and over again until you started to cry. Then you would feel the pain, and maybe you would even get pissed off at Sephiroth, more than Yuffie.
Why was she the coolest character?



When I heard you start comparing FFVII to the Bible, I actually wanted to grab you and just smack you. Then smack you again for being an uber fool. And just to let you know, you are the first person I have ever called an uber fool, that is really bad. That means you are like more of a fool than the Supreme Kai of fools.

I'm getting tired of you flaming me. Glad to know that you think comparing it to the Bible is stupid. First time I heard it compared to the Bible, I was like "No way." Then like a minute later I was like "Damn, he's right!"


Now I have to say that I don't believe in God, a Supreme Being, or religion.

Congrats.


However, I own a Bible and made a confirmation from a Protestant church. Contrary to this, I have never suspected FFVII or any other video game to be completely based off the Bible, because that idea is so foolish.

Flame against me, and many others who like to think about their games.


Besides the whole idea that you think Squaresoft based the storyline of FFVII on the Bible, which is wrong and uber foolish, the first thing I notice is that you say Sephiroth (Satan) kills Aeris (Jesus). From what I remember, which could be wrong, I don't think Satan came up from Hell and slaughtered Jesus, similar to what Sephiroth did to Aeris. Yeah it definitely wasn't Satan that killed Jesus.

Never said Sephiroth represented just Satan. I clearly added "Sins, etc" after that. That connection is clear. Aeris died because of Sephiroth. Jesus died because of Sins.



And Aeris wasn't really dying for sins or anything, kind of maybe, but the getting killed thing just happened. Sephiroth was like "You're dead because I decided" and that's the way it was. Comparing Aeris dying to Jesus dying is plain wrong on about 3 levels, plus it makes you an uber fool.

~yawn~ Flamed again....
See above


Also, Cloud isn't trying to spread some kind of message and save the world from sin. I think he just wants to stop Sephiroth from going psycho evil and destroying the world and such.

Have you ever heard of ... ~gasps~... a metaphor? You are right that Cloud is stopping Sephiroth from going psycho evil and destryoing the world. Paul went around spreading Jesus' message to prevent Satan and Sins 'n' stuff from destroying the world. You obviously missed that in my original post.



I don't think the game really mentions anything about Cloud caring about sins. If you really want to think about it that much, maybe you can say hes tempted by the Black Materia like Paul, but that's seriously almost definitely a coincidence.

Heh, I find it quite amusing, that you and your friends try to argue with me, and that "not thinking" is the better way to deal with things. And that's just another "coincidence" on top of the pile.


The same kind of thing happens in a lot of games, like Diablo, when you kill Diablo and jam his soulstone into your head so you become the new Diablo. Not to mention in almost every MMORPG you can play as an "evil" race.

So being evil automatically makes you related to the bible? I think not.


This next part is a little fuzzy though. I don't remember exactly what happened in the game with Aeris and the meteor. And I am also probably wrong about this, but I don't know if Jesus returning stopped an Armageddon. I didn't think that's what happened, and if I'm right it proves you wrong again. But if I'm wrong it is still too circumstantial and you are still an uber fool.

Chritian belief is that Jesus will come back and save us from Armageddon. In FFVII, the ending with Aeris' Holy Materia stopping the meteor from destroying the world is that same event. And you managed to flame me even more. I probably should stop pointing out each time you do, though...



You would probably say if in any game a person died and came back to save the world it would be because they took that from the Bible right? Saying things like that is what defines an uber fool.

Did I say that any game is like that? No. I'll quote myself....

"A game needs more than a good guy and a bad guy to be based on the Bible. Generally, once you bring in a sacrifice for the good of mankind into the storyline, it still can be original. But FFVII and the Matrix have many more clear elements than that. I figured I explained it well in my post. Evidently, I did not."


Then you say "When the game's relationship with the Bible dawned on me, it utterly ruined my opinion of it." This is all in your mind. It isn't true and I will never believe it. FFVII will always be fun and an awesome game for me because I don't make things up like this to make myself hate the game. You can't just decide the storyline is from the Bible. Even if you really believe that, you can still ignore it. Now you are wrong, making yourself hate the game because of foolish theories you made up in your mind, and you are an uber fool.

This is the most humorous part of your post. So you're saying I'm a fool for having my own opinion, and then for presenting my opinion with evidence (something you are lacking; you also call my evidence nothing?), and that my opinion will never change your opinion? Frankly, I don't care what you think. FFE Reno asked me to post my opinion. I did. I did not try to persuade you. And saying that "Even if you really believe that, you can still ignore it," is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin.



I honestly think Squaresoft didn't purposely make all those retardedly inaccurate references to the Bible for that reason,
Flame.... and I doubt it.


they were trying to make a good game, and they succeeded. Whoever said "the Bible links made FFVII's storyline all the more masterful" is also a fool.

I agree. Though the person who said that is on this forum, and I believe he's a moderator, so please try to cool the flames down.


Since this person is wrong in the first place and that FFVII shouldn't be looked at as being compared with the Bible. Look at it as a damn video game with a crazy storyline and stop trying to compare everything in your foolish life to the Bible.

The first sentence makes no grammatical sense. I believe you were trying to say "Since this person is wrong in the first place, FFVII shouldn't even be looked at as being compared with the Bible,"? Still, the person's opinion cannot be wrong, as it is an opinion. And this person is correct about the Bible links.
And now you flame me, and say I compare everything in my life to the Bible. Obviously, right now, I'm also writing an essay on how my debates over FFVII relate to the Bible in some way.



Yuffie = Owns. You hate her because she stole your materia and made you cry because you had to take time to do other things in the game and couldn't handle being without your materia. Foolish.
Flame. Nor did I cry. Nor was that my opinion. Think of it this way.... if you were a captain of some sports team for gym class, and the kid who had recently stolen your money and clothing (you ended up getting it back after a lot of useless work) was also in the class, would you choose him/her in your first three picks?
I know I wouldn't.


Cait Sith = Foolish, but it's a robot, not meant to be human. Maybe some people out their appreciate Caith Sith.
Perhaps you meant to say "Maybe some people out there appreciate Cait Sith"?
Okay. I personally used Cait Sith, because I wasn't that old when I first played through and thought he was awesome.


Vincent = Awesome guy. Being shrouded in mystery is what make him what he is and a cool guy, obviously. You can't criticize the game like a fool because you didnt like the characters. Again, I don't know anyone who played the game and doesn't have a character they think owns.
Haha, wow. Where to start?
1) You tell me not to critizice a game because I don't like the characters. Yet, you crtizice me because you don't like my opinions? Hyppocrite...
2) Neither do I. I think Cait Sith owns, but not in a storyline sense. None of them own in a storyline sense.



Barret = High quality honorable man with a semi-tragic past and goals for the present/future. "blah" offers no reason or explaination to anything. Barret owns you, fool.

He does? In what sort of owning? Am I his secret sex slave? Just a normal, labor slave? Perhaps he has bought out my family?
However you put it, I really don't like Barret, now that I know he's enough of an asshole to own people.



Tifa = Foolish because she disgraces the hand to hand style and Aeries is way cooler, however that is just my opinion.

Right. Aren't you obsessed with Tifa's boobs like all the other FFVII fans? (and honestly, I don't remember them being exceptionally large =\)


Aeries = Ultra cool. There is actually nothing you can say to prove she is a bad or foolish or low quality character, and I have the equations to prove it. This is not a joke.

Okay, Mr? Ms? Smartass. Prove it.


Red XIII = A beast. He actually completes a lot of the storyline. He is like some kind of faithful companion, but has his own important past as well. He also brings out some emotions from the other characters, quite vital indeed.

Still doesn't mean I connected with him at all.


Cloud = Stereotypical RPG main character. Spikey hair guy with a sword trying to find his past. If you weren't a fool you wouldn't be so confused by him. It is kind of hard for him to show emotion when he is trying to figure out who he is and what his past is. If your intelligence was slightly more superior, you might be able to connect with him.

Seriously. I dare you to try to argue with someone without insulting them every step you make. I will send you money through Paypal if you can prove it (Scout's Honor). You basically said "You're right, he is hard to connect with.... BUT YOU'RE A FOOL AND YOU'RE REALLY REALLY STUPID!!!"


But it doesn't seem like you have experienced much of life since the thing that pissed you off the most in life with Yuffie stealing your materia. These are the facts.

Flame, sort of. Oh, and, they are not facts! They are opinions. Please do not get the two confused.


I tried to define the characters more with facts than foolish opinions,

You failed that. Miserabley.


which can't be used to criticize the game at all. Different people like the characters in different games more or less. I guess for a foolish person like you, you didn't like them. But I would guess the majority of people who play this game would like some of the characters at least, if they couldn't connect well with one. So you shouldn't even have included this section in your foolish article about the bad things about FFVII, which makes you an uber fool.

Uh, have you ever heard of an Editorial? That was what I wrote.
Editorial is about.... Opinion. Everything I used as evidence for why I don't like FFVII...... was my opinion. And, have you ever heard of a critic? They use their opinion to criticize the game. You cannot criticize without an opinion.
Please, please, PLEASE learn what an opinion is and what a fact is. Even if you aren't a 7th grader, you still haven't learned something that was taught in 7th grade English.



-Materia owns if you aren't a fool and understand it and use it to its potential.

Wow... I never said Materia wasn't good. I never said I couldn't use it to it's full potential. I just said it made little sense.


-Chocobo breeding isn't very difficult compared to tasks from other games, and you are a fool if you cry about it, since it is optional and all. The Knights of the Round you get from this is elite, but a waste of time using it against anything except the Emerald Weapon, so crying about it is foolish and doesn't matter.

DON'T YOU SEE THE TEARS??? WHY DO YOU MOCK MY TEARS???
(I've already covered what's wrong with that statement. I don't need to write it again.)


Comparing this to pong is a foolish analogy because pong is only as difficult as your oppenent, which can obviously be a wide range, while Chocobo breeding is always the same with a slight variation of luck.

Er... I compared the game post-KotR to Pong, because, it's true. Perhaps Pong is too hard of a game for you to have that example make sense? How about a game we both know:
After getting KotR, FFVII is like playing as an Amazon in any version of Diablo 2, except for LoD: 1.1 and on. (extremely easy)


Getting a Gold Chocobo and exploring islands has nothing to do with foolish holy grails.

Which is why I said I wasn't certain about it. Jeesh, sorry for exploring ideas. I should be more like you and ignore the validity of other opinions.



-Yuffie still owns and you are still just crying because you don't understand her and maybe don't like challenges either since it doesn't seem like you realize how easy a game FFVII is.

WHY DO YOU KEEP MOCKING MY TEARS???

(again, already covered. You're just pulling stuff out of nothing to flame me. Perhaps to boost your ego, which is so low by having friends who you don't think are anywhere close to your intelligence level?)



-The storyline still has nothing to do with the Bible and the non-Bible related parts were confusing because you were trying to relate them with the Bible parts, but the Bible parts really aren't suppose to be related to the Bible and you aren't suppose to be thinking about the Bible at all when playing it. If you just play and pay attention to the story line without making things up in your mind and comparing it to things that it shouldn't be compared to you might actually understand it, then you wouldn't be an uber fool.

~sigh~. You've managed to flame me more times in one post than Loki did in his entire "Post here and I'll flame you" thread. I applaud you on your work, though. This above statement has also already been covered.



-You are the only person I have heard of that thinks none of the characters are connectable... but then again I don't spend all my time in forums polling people about it.

Do you see a poll? Do you see me spend all my time here? No. And welcome out of your opression-shell.... people have more than one opinion! *gasp*


You should be ashamed for leaving Cid out, but I won't call you a fool. I mean... who doesn't like Cid? Maybe you should beat the game one more time and you could realize that it doesn't relate to the Bible, but maybe you won't.

Wow... You're a very..very....very....very.... sad person.



And the next post now.
A. Fine if you want to play different games now, but saying FFVII has no replay value is foolish and I think I explained why. You tried making your inferior opinion look like a fact, when it clearly isn't.
ROFLMAO. Okay, you never once mentioned any replay value earlier... if you did, I must've missed it. Perhaps it was buried in all the flames, or something. Even if you did, I'm sure it wasn't supported by any facts or opinions at all, as you've yet to do that much. And also, you just called my opinion inferior, which is an opinion, but you're presenting it as a fact. Again, LEARN WHAT'S AN OPINION AND WHAT'S A FACT.


B. It doesn't matter if you like games based on the Bible, because I can't name one. You are trying to make it a fact again that FFVII is based on the Bible, but there is nothing to prove that at all. You are thinking, but thinking in the wrong way. You are thinking things that are wrong and it is only making the game lesss enjoyable for yourself because of your proposterous insinuations at Squaresoft. That is the real problem, think more wide and stop thinking more deep. Don't you get it! You think deep and narrow. Lord Vincent thinks wide and shallow. I think wide and deep, understand it fool. You probably won't give the game another chance, but if you really wanted to, I bet you could see this point.

The point isn't worth seeing, if it's going to be delivered by someone like you. Apparently I think wrong? And I hate Squaresoft? Since when?
Or maybe Barret is telling you what I think, as he still owns me?
Oh god I'm so confused.

Also, you don't think at all about this game, besides how supereme awesomely spectacular it is!!!11@@!@!2@@!!!@44254eleven!!!!


C. See B. You also have no evidence, it is all completely foolish opinions and theories conjured up in your inferior feeble brain. You are going the wrong way. You thought too deep and now you don't know what your thinking anymore. You can't do that, it doesn't work, it isn't meant to happen. You think every word in this game was specifically meant to relate in 20 different ways to the Bible, but that isn't how it is. It has a crazy, good, somewhat complex storyline. The game relates to itself, itself, good vs evil, and maybe a little bit of what some stories in the Bible are trying to teach, just like many many other things out in the world. But it is in no way trying to imitate the entire concept of the Bible. Dang blasted uber fool.

~sigh~ same thing. You're assuming things about me that aren't true, and you're being an ass about it, and you don't know how opinions and facts work.



[qutoe]It is all the people who played the game that put it on that pedestal.[/quote]

I played it. I didn't.


Apparently so many other people understand, so if you want, just take that little time to think a little why everyone else thinks this way, but ..... it and leave FFVII alone and keep it to yourself. Your choice fool.

And the majority of Germans post-WWI thought Nazis would save them, and us Jews were the reason for all their problems. The majority of the US supported Bush's War in Iraq. Do I need more expamples to prove to you that the majority generally isn't right?



And the final post up to this point:
You say "That's probably the most ignorant thing I've read today. Thanks for the laugh, though." in response to "wow plasma...you just got served. i have to agree completely with omnipotent sephiroth." This actually isn't ignorant at all. Saying you got served is just foolish and has almost no meaning at all. And agreeing with another opinion isn't ignorant, since there was nothing ignorant about the original opinion here. You yourself have said many ignorant things in your posts, if you hadn't noticed. And I'm not just saying that dude, you are seriously more ignorant than you think.

Uh-huh. Look who's talking -_-


Matrix 1 = Owns. Crazy storyline of pure ownage. Bible parallels were hard to pick out because they didn't specifically put references to the Bible in. It just happens, since the Bible can relate to so many things on so many different levels. He didn't ask you about the Matrix to hear you say things about the Bible, you probably assumed he was thinking that and you wanted to give that response because that's what you do, come up with crazy things in your mind, but whatever.

Matrix 2 = Owns. Less storyline, but action owns. Dance and sex scene completely pointless.

Matrix 3 = Doesn't really matter. Way more foolish except for some parts. I don't think everyone saw Neo as Jesus in this and it is crazy ignorant to say that this movie was completely made and suppose to be taken in as the "Bible of the new age."

Hmm, I'm going to have to say it, flat out. You are the most arrogant, idiotic fool I have ever seen in my life. Go post a thread about the Matrix in the General Discussion forums here. 90% of the people will complain about how crappy Matricies 2 and 3 where, because they sucked horribly. I don't see how you could not find the references glaring at you at the end of 3. Even your "stupid" friend picked that up (hence him asking me what I thought of the Matrix)



You really just missed the point, those aren't the things you should be doing different. Getting level 99 in this game is really easy, but people play it because the game just owns that much, especially when you don't think everything is related to the Bible, like a fool.

Been there, read that.


Now you are saying the game did a bad job representing the Bible? It was never suppose to represent the Bible, maybe that's why!

My god... try reading it again.. you might understand.



If you ever want to argue, send me an instant message, HybridMatrix1337. I might not answer though since I might not feel like talking about this further. And I will Probably be playing Warcraft 3 or Asheron's Call.

Heh, you will.


I really need to know if you don't mind, why is your avatar that picture?

Entitled: Self-Portrait in MS Paint, November 2003.


Also, I just wanted to know, how old are you?

14. I'm sure, of course, if you ever put your age, it won't be the real thing 'cause you have to be all smarter than me.


And, if anyone actually read this whole thing, I really want to know.
I clearly did.


PLASMATORTURE, YOU JUST GOT OWNED SO BAD, YOU JUST GOT STALLONED.
You promised me that you were going to explain what "stalloned" meant. Oh well... If by "owned" you meant "flamed", and by "so bad" you meant "with as little skill as a monkey could've flamed," then yes, I agree.


Here's my summary:
1)
-Opinion: Something that is not fact; based on personal belief; evidence supporting the opinion is personal belief.
-Fact: Something that is true, based on concrete evidence.
You really need to learn the difference.

2)
You also really need to stop with this flaming. Unless you have some mental disorder where you can't think without putting "FOOL FOOL FOOLISH FOOLY FOOL FOOL" in every few sentences (and in that case, I feel sorry for you), than you need to cut it out. I don't care if you are older than me, you need to be more mature than that.

3)
Don't assume things that aren't said

4)
Your opinion is not fact, nor is your opinion right, nor is my opinion right, nor is my opinion wrong.


I believe, Mr? Ms? Aeris, it is you who was just "owned"
If anyone is a fool, it's you.

Uhhhh, yeah~

Guys, we're discussing what we think is the best RPG of all time, rather than having a conversation as to why Final Fantasy 7 is related to the bible and such.

1.) Don't flame each other. This is bad form.

2.) Don't stray miles off topic.

3.) It's Aeris not Aeries. ~__~

If you want to continue this discussion, please open a thread in the Final Fantasy 7 forum and continue it there. Hell, it might even get more debate going in there. :)

Sorry Bahamut ZERO, I'm throwing in the towel here and I just want to let others know.

*Immeasurable Sigh*

I give up, there were too many inaccurate things said and I'm too lazy to correct them. It's not worth it because this debate will never end.

Wow....That was some crazy long crap. Omni...i hate when you go all sorry on people..you sound like a puss. Plasma...while you are only fourteen, you have clearly put much thought into your answers. my buddy who savagely owned you is 2 years older, as am i and the puss. you seem really set in your ways..so i will leave you now to believe whatever crap lies in your foolish mind. some of the things about me that AerisPwnzzors had described are not entirely true but he is quite accurate. I am lazy and this is partly because i have no feelings toward nor do i really care about anything..Flaci non facio. Ahhh good times....burei mono.

Please go back on topic, I don't want to have to ask again.

You are going the wrong way. You thought too deep and now you don't know what your thinking anymore
That's all you really need to quote.

Oh I'm so sorry Vincent that I was actually doing what the Mod told me to do, and I didn't want to be an ass going about it, you asshole.

Well done, 2 warnings ignored.