Rap Music, why is it hated?

i’ve always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos, so they obviously knew what it would mean. the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn’t need to be allowed in public in the first place. if i made a rap song aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don’t understand it? well, i don’t get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media’s callin it.

so please tell me, why don’t you like rap? if you like, post your theories anyway.

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People hate rap because it sounds retarded. It always talks about sex, money and all that stupid stuff. 🙁

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People hate rap because it sounds retarded. It always talks about sex, money and all that stupid stuff. 🙁

There’s a lot of other music that talks baout those topics which is equally retarded.

Honestly, I can’t fucking stand when people are so insanely biased and hate a particular genre. its fine to not have a taste for a certain genre. I didn’t like country for a long time, and used to try my hardest NOT to hear it. I go to a redneck school, make new friends, I hear a few songs, and hey, guess what? Not all the songs are all that terrible. Same goes with every other genre of music.

And I doubt rap is anymore "hated on" than any other type of music. If you head down to a predominately black neighborhood (LOLZ RACIAL STEREOTYPES) and ask which music they dont like, it’ll probably be something like pop or punk or something like that.

At any rate. I don’t like all rap. I have a good number of rap songs I can’t stand. It doesnt mean I hate the genre as a whole. Granted, if I only listened to a few songs, I could probably deduce what rinoa has, and assume that every song is about sex and money. Because you know, no other genre of music does that!

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i’ve always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos, so they obviously knew what it would mean. the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn’t need to be allowed in public in the first place. if i made a rap song aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don’t understand it? well, i don’t get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media’s callin it.

I don’t think that most people who hate rap hate it for those reasons, and the people who do apply those reasons apply it to pretty much all of modern pop culture. People have been saying the same thing about rock music, movies, books, comics, and video games as long as all those things have existed.

I think the people who are like "I hate rap it is all shit" are usually just people who heard a few rap songs that they didn’t like, and decided everything in the genre is exactly that way, and also happen to be the sort of person who thinks anything they don’t find appealing is automatically no-talent horse shit. That’s the case with people who blindly hate just about any genre.

I hate rap music because they (rap "artists") abandoned the guitar.

And because most rap songs consist of shouting or talking as opposed to actually singing.

But, given that, I can’t stand most Rock music, either.

Even so, I can stand to listen to rap a lot sooner than I can listen to any of that shit country music.

I think people hate Rap just because it seems to be the popular thing to do. And a lot of the Mainstream Rap that’s on MTV is nothing more than a few words yelled over and over again. Nevermind the fact that the corperations have basically turned it into a cash cow that stupid suburban kids can immitate.

When you see TV commercials advertising "Bling" and a suburban house mom is saying "I love to Bling YO!!!," the genre has been sucked dry and people are sick of it. Some of the rap out there is good, but you have to really look hard, but I think the genre has been overdone, and people are sick of it.

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I don’t much like rap because, one, I can’t understand a fucking thing, two, their lyrics are not to which I can relate/ like and three, I just can’t stand how some rappers act. Like some act all hardcore and shit. Same with most other genres of music but I like those other genres so it evens out..

I hate rap music because they (rap "artists") abandoned the guitar.

And because most rap songs consist of shouting or talking as opposed to actually singing.

But, given that, I can’t stand most Rock music, either.

Even so, I can stand to listen to rap a lot sooner than I can listen to any of that shit country music.

My thoughts exactly, for the most part. Except I like a lot of actual country, as opposed to the shitty pop that masquerades as country.

i hate rap cos i just dont like it. i dunno why, it just doesnt sound good to me. you cant rock out to it, you cant sing it, it isnt relaxing, it doesnt get me pumped. the only thing i do with rap is dance to it at da club.

I don’t like alot of American popular rap(except the Wu Tang Clan), cause it does all sound the same(to me), but I do like some rap that isn’t very popular, but it’s good stuff and it just fits my kinda taste in music. Doctor Octagon is one of my favorite rappers

i dont hate rap,as in the beats and sounds,i just hate the rap "artists" and their stupid lyrics.

most of them try to act hardcore,yet they always act as hardcore as the skinny pale white kid in the back of the room.
they ALWAYS rap about cars(that they dont even own),money,"bling",hoes,or themselves.its always the same lyrics for evry rapper out there,only with a different beat.some rappers however,actually have songs that have meaning to it.for example eminems "mosh",not once in that song did he start to rap about cars,hoes,bling or anything about that.

another thing that bothers me,is the fact that,absolutely any1 culd become a rapper(even a stick-skinny pale white kid from wisconsin) and all the music shows and companys will bow down to their knees and suck their d#@k becuz they came up from a hard life.all the new rappers always come with a sad story about growing up in the ghetto and having their parents die when they were like 10!I have a more tragic story then that and i live in the ghetoo,yet i dont promote that in anyway.

also,yea…

2001 saw the death of the golden age of rap. when Dre quit, it was all downhill.

i 2nd that,due to the fact at 2001,we started to see queer rappers come out,and then those queer rappers wuld bring in more queer rappers,then the spiral-of-gay-rappers started

[Dr. Dre]
Yo man there’s a lot of brothers out there
flakin and perpetratin but scared to kick reality
[Ice Cube]
Man, you been doin all this dope producin
You ain’t had a chance to show ’em what time it is
[Dr. Dre]
So what you want me to do?
{Express yourself!}
[Dr. Dre]
I’m expressin with my full capabilities
And now I’m livin in correctional facilities
Cause some don’t agree with how I do this
I get straight and meditate like a Buddhist
I’m droppin flava, my behaviour is hereditary
But my technique is very necessary
Blame it on Ice Cube; because he said it gets funky
when you got a subject and a predicate
Add it on a dope beat; and it’ll make you think
Some suckers just tickle me pink – to my stomach
Cause they don’t flow like this one
You know what? I won’t hesitate to diss one
or two before I’m through, so don’t try to sing this
Some drop science; while I’m droppin english
Even if Yella, makes it a-capella
I still express, yo, I don’t smoke weed or sess
Cause it’s known to give a brother brain damage
And brain damage on the mic don’t manage – NUTHIN
but makin a sucka and you equal
Don’t be another sequel.. {Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
[Dr. Dre]
Now, gettin back to the PG
That’s program, and it’s easy
Dre is back, new jacks are made hollow
Expressin ain’t their subject because they like to follow
the words, the style, the trend; the records I spin
Again and again and again – yo, you’re on the other end
Whatch a brother blend dope rhymes, with no help
There’s no fessin or guessin while I’m expressin myself
It’s crazy to see people be
what society wants them to be, but not me
RUTHLESS, is the way to go, they know
Others say rhymes which fail to be original
or they kill where the hip-hop starts
Forget about the ghetto, and rap for the pop charts
Some musicians cuss at home
But scared to use profanity when upon the microphone
Yeah, they want reality, but you will hear none
They’d rather exaggerate a little fiction
Some say no to drugs, and take a stand
But after the show, they go lookin for the "Dopeman"
Or they ban my group from the radio
Hear N.W.A. and say, "Hell no!"
But you know it ain’t all about wealth
As long as you make a note to.. {Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
[Dr. Dre]
{Express yourself!} .. from the heart
cause if you wanna start to move up the chart
then expression is a big part of it
You ain’t efficient when you flow, you ain’t swift
Movin like a tortoise, full of rigor mortis
There’s a little bit more to show
I got rhymes in my mind, embedded like an embryo
or a lesson – all of ’em expression
And if you start fessin, I got a Smith and Wessun for ya
I might ignore your record because it has no bottom
I get loose in the summer winter spring and autumn
It’s Dre on the mic, gettin physical
Doin’ the job, N.W.A is the lynch mob!
Yes I’ma climb, but you know you need this
And the knowledge is growin just like a fetus
or a tumor, but here is the rumor
Dre is in the neighborhood and he’s up to no good
When I start expressin myself, Yella, slam it
Cause if I stay funky like this I’m doin damage
Or I’ma be too hyped, and need a straight jacket
I got knowledge, and other suckers lack it
So, when you see Dre, a DJ on the mic
Ask what it’s like – it’s like we’re gettin hyped tonight
Cause if I strike, it ain’t for your good health
But I won’t strike if you just.. {Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Express yourself!}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Express yourself!}
{Go on and do it..}
{Go on and do it..} {*music fades*}

The thing about rap music for me is that it’s repetitive. There’s typically one beat with maybe a few programmed fills looping over and over. The music over this tends to be very simplistic. The lyrics then are often unintelligent.

That’s just not good music to me.

I don’t like rap it’s lyrics are down to this:

Girls
Cars
Sex
Money
How good they are
And insulting each other
it’s repetitive
And the music has always the same beat
I don’t like music without guitar riffs, or drums

I dont mind rap when it is crossed with rock. I just get a bit bored with it on its own. Bands like Rage Against The Machine and .sPout. were/are awesome. I must be honest…I quite enjoy Linkin Park too from time to time too.

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A repetitive beat is made for dancing, and most of the time, repetitive or not, they are very catchy. And most rappers write their own lyrics, unlike a lot of non-rap mainstream groups today. I happen to think even if they are rapping about giving it to a girl doggy style and spending g’s, that they are still pretty talented to be able to write the music, and rap it. and there is some intelligent rap out there. but most of it isn’t on the radio, fwiw.

i completely agree with cassie. i cant stand rap, but i am not about to sit here and say that they have no talent and they suck just because i cant get into it. rappers have way more talent than people like britney spears imho. they actually do something creative, whereas britney just tries to act sexy and sings and wiggles a tiny bit.

In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Butane in my veins and I???m out to cut the junkie
With the plastic eyeballs, spray-paint the vegetables
Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose
Kill the headlights and put it in neutral
Stock car flamin??? with a loser and the cruise control
Baby???s in reno with the vitamin d
Got a couple of couches, sleep on the love-seat
Someone came in sayin??? I???m insane to complain
About a shotgun wedding and a stain on my shirt
Don???t believe everything that you breathe
You get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve
So shave your face with some mace in the dark
Savin??? all your food stamps and burnin??? down the trailer park

Yo. cut it.

Soy un perdedor
I???m a loser baby, so why don???t you kill me?

Soy un perdedor
I???m a loser baby, so why don???t you kill me?

Forces of evil on a bozo nightmare
Ban all the music with a phony gas chamber
???cuz one???s got a weasel and the other???s got a flag
One???s on the pole, shove the other in a bag
With the rerun shows and the cocaine nose-job
The daytime crap of the folksinger slob
He hung himself with a guitar string
A slab of turkey-neck and it???s hangin??? from a pigeon wing
You can???t write if you can???t relate
Trade the cash for the beef for the body for the hate
And my time is a piece of wax fallin??? on a termite
That???s chokin??? on the splinters

Soy un perdedor
I???m a loser baby, so why don???t you kill me?
(get crazy with the cheese whiz)
Soy un perdedor
I???m a loser baby, so why don???t you kill me?
(drive-by body-pierce)
(yo bring it on down)
Soooooooyy….

(I???m a driver, I???m a winner; things are gonna change I can feel it)

Soy un perdedor
I???m a loser baby, so why don???t you kill me?
(I can???t believe you)
Soy un perdedor
I???m a loser baby, so why don???t you kill me?
Soy un perdedor
I???m a loser baby, so why don???t you kill me?
(schprechen sie deutches, baby)
Soy un perdedor
I???m a loser baby, so why don???t you kill me?
(know what I???m sayin???? )

People like Britney Spears and other "can music" artists are successful not just because they look good and dance with no clothes on, but also because they have good song writers. Yes, some of the songs might have shit for lyrics, but I’m not afraid to admit that a lot of pop songs have very catchy music. That’s why they are popular and played on the radio. The artist’s voice could be completely computer generated, but as long as there was a good beat to go with it, it could be a great song, and the "artist" would be the one to get the recognition.

I don’t like rap
it’s repetitive

I don’t like music without guitar riffs

uh… how ironic.

because, honestly, 90% of guitar-related genres are either:
1) something anyone who just picked up a guitar could play almost perfectly (I’m looking at you, "Smoke on the Water" and "Ironman")
or
2) repetitive and sound exactly the same as any other guitar-related music of similar genre

I have to say I dislike most rap. I’m sure there’s good stuff out there, but frankly I don’t have the will to look. Same with every genre (though some I do have the will to check out).

also, country is often fairly decent.

Express yourself is awesome but it sums up all other rap for bieng crap
reasons why rap is crap
1.same drum beat in every single rap song ever made(except express yourself) and its the same with dance
2.none of it is done by a person apart from the singing its done by synthesizer(except express yourself)
3.its all about the exact same thing no variety at all the beat repeats and repeats and repeats and repeats and repeats and repeats until your driven insane (except express yourself)
and that is why express yourself is the only good rap song ever

And mr wrongpants you couldnt be more wrong if your name was mr verywrongpants

how is there nobody behind the music? have you ever tried to work a switchboard or a turntable? it’s not as easy as it looks.at least hip-hop has actually dances. what’s the dance with rock? a bunch of idiots in a pit runnin around bumpin into eachother. Express Yourself was a very good song, but not the only good song. you want a song attacking crap rappers? go listen to Atmosphere- One Of A Kind. the beat repeats itself, well, that’s the style. in rock music, you listen to the music. in rap, you listen to the lyrics.

oh god not another thread!
anyhoo…i think that most people hate rap because it just gets repititive, they mostly all talk about the same thing " pimps hoes & gangstas" and how thay need to carry guns all the time, it just gets boring and very annoying

i dont like gangsta rap i like the old rap from tha 80’s that was about more than just sex, drugs, and dreive bys.

and always remember kids u cant spell CRAP with out RAP

also: rap music. oxymoron. LOLZ.

people make fun of rap and bash on it because simply put that rap music is horrible and shouldnt even be considered a form of music and that is why i stand by the fact my favorite rappers are the dead ones because they dont release any more "songs"…. well with one exception (DAMN YOU TUPAC DAMN YOU !!!!!*SHAKES HIS FIST AT TUPAC WITH MUCH HATRED*) *shakes head ashamed* sorry about that one should have shot him in the head not just filled his car full of bullets

uh… how ironic.

because, honestly, 90% of guitar-related genres are either:
1) something anyone who just picked up a guitar could play almost perfectly (I’m looking at you, "Smoke on the Water" and "Ironman")
or
2) repetitive and sound exactly the same as any other guitar-related music of similar genre

I have to say I dislike most rap. I’m sure there’s good stuff out there, but frankly I don’t have the will to look. Same with every genre (though some I do have the will to check out).

also, country is often fairly decent.

You lost all credibility when you said country music is decent.

Hell, all of the "good country songs" people call off these days are remakes of old rock songs.

You lost all credibility when you said country music is decent.

Hell, all of the "good country songs" people call off these days are remakes of old rock songs.

ohnoes, Odin (and mr.spamhead) think my opinion is wrong, whatever shall I do with my life.

For the record, not every country song is the crap most often referenced to. That is crap. If you look you can find good stuff, (ie the soundtrack to "O Brother, where Art Thou?") or in other languages (there is japanese music that might as well be country, for instance, but we english-speakers just classify it as J-pop/j-rock because I dunno).

Thinking an entire genre is crap just because of the current way said genre is most often percieved shows ignorance.

I personally like quite a bit of rap, but find myself generally disliking the hip-hop style that everyone seems to be rolling with. There are some artists who make it sound alright, but it seems like there are just soo many of them coming out with names that involve lil’ or g or something along the lines, and they all sound a bit the same + have some lyrics that don’t sound to be all that impressive. Rap rap, as in how it started, and yes, Eminem (lollin), appeals to me a lot more just because it isn’t all the same "hip-hop" ish beats, and it’s not all about the dope rides or ladies, there are songs that actually talk about some real stuff. Some examples would be "Fuck the Police" if anyone knows the story behind it, and as I’m sure everyone knows Eminem sure likes to make songs about his opinions about political affairs along with his own life.

Erm yeah, no paragraphs.

btw, ludacris 😎

Old School Rap = Good
New Age Rap = Bad

you sorta just said what i said except in two lines

:'(

Some country music is quite good!

Odin is not. =/

Thinking an entire genre is crap just because of the current way said genre is most often percieved shows ignorance.

x2

Old School Rap = Good
New Age Rap = Bad

yeah.
Rap these days is a bunch o shouting from people that think their hard.

rap is class even though i prefer black eyed peas .. their class who agrees

I don’t like rap it’s lyrics are down to this:

Girls
Cars
Sex
Money
How good they are
And insulting each other
it’s repetitive
And the music has always the same beat
I don’t like music without guitar riffs, or drums

Thats why RAP OWNS!! I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER! 😀

Yeah Eminem! 😀

yes "rap" is dead. It’s only survival is in playing the gangster/pimp thing till it’s last gasp, it will go the way of disco. Now "Hip-Hop" what I consider true emceeing and DJ’ing, is actualy an old African drumb sound and dance brought to the now. There are very obscure artists out there today who treat the music like an art and truly work to build on what Hip-Hop has done, they just aren’t very well known and are black listed from major media coverage and oppressed by "popular" opinion which is mainly influenced by the major media companies.

This art has been raped and bastardized by money grubbing corporations and the large body of ignorant masses who stay tuned into the likes of 50cent, lil’, "Crunk" music,3-6 mafia and sutch. People are stupid when it comes to what isn’t known(of course) and there’s a whole underbelly of Hip Hop that isn’t known and is far greater and advanced than what many of you would come to believe. If you are interested in some sources just ask. (DJ)

the green "money" was a nice touch.

…I know

Why is rap hated, you ask? I’ll tell you why: It’s too loud (mostly the people’s fault who turn it up), too obnoxious, not really MUSIC, like ROCK ‘N ROLL, baby!!!, and it’s only talking to a drumbeat.

so i guess a bunch of guys screaming into a microphone is waaaaaaaaaaaayyy better, right?

too loud? i guess your right. because electirc guitars and drums are quiet, right?

Yeah they scream but the screams it’s the reason that people go to concerts to loosen up, and be wild, and get drunk, you talk about rock is all bumpin each other…That’s enjoying the show, what do you do in rap concerts, Tilt your head and put your hands in the air? Rap… a rap concert is an hour a guy claiming he is the best that he took a shot and he is still alive, Rock is about Screammming! Havin Fun! Hear great music with different rythms, Pits, Enjoy life, Having fun at concerts … Rock Blows away Rap!

you’ve obviously never been to a rap concert. you wanna talk about some wild folks, get in the middle of a crowd of people caught in the beat. last party/concert i went to, we had 8 fights, 5 of em happened right on the dance floor. rap concerts have their own form of mosh pit, only this one isn’t about runnin around tryin to knock people down. how is that "enjoying life"? i mean, if i’m bleeding with a concussion after being trampled in a mosh pit, i’m not enjoying life.

Hear great music with different rythms

lol
(and that has nothing to do with your misspelling of the word rhythm)

(DAMN YOU TUPAC DAMN YOU !!!!!*SHAKES HIS FIST AT TUPAC WITH MUCH HATRED*) *shakes head ashamed* sorry about that one should have shot him in the head not just filled his car full of bullets

You should be bitch slapped for saying that, Tupac was a poet. He may have had a few contradictions, he rapped about money and women too, but he’s only human.

And Tomorrow By 2Pac Shakur.
Today is filled with anger, fueled with hidden hate.
Scared of being outkast, afraid of common fate.
Today is build on tragedies which no one want’s to face.
Nightmares to humanity and morally disgraced.
Tonight is filled with Rage, violence in the air.
Children bred with ruthlessness cause no one at home cares.
Tonight I lay my head down but the pressure never stops,
knowing that my sanity content when I’m dropped.
But tomorrow I see change, a chance to build a new,
build on spirit intent of heart and ideas based on truth.
Tomorrow I wake with second wind and strong because of pride.
I know I fought with all my heart to keep the dream alive.

Rap music today has changed, the goal is no longer the message but record sales. Back in the day MC Hammer was declared a sellout for doing commercials, today every rapper is doing commercials along with energy drinks ect. People have forgotten the times when rap music was still fighting to be heard and now that it can no one cares to send a message anymore.

Nas put it best with "One Mic"

Yo, all I need is one mic, one beat, one stage
One nigga front, my face on the front page
Only if I had one gun, one girl and one crib
One God to show me how to do things his son did
Pure, like a cup of virgin blood; mixed with
151, one sip’ll make a nigga flip
Writin names on my hollow tips, plottin shit
Mad violence who I’m gon’ body, this hood politics
Ackowledge it, leave bodies chopped in garbages
Seeds watch us, grow up and try to follow us
Police watch us {*siren*} roll up and try knockin us
One knee I ducked, could it be my time is up
But my luck, I got up, the cop shot again
Bus stop glass bursts, a fiend drops his Heineken
Richochetin between the spots that I’m hidin in
Blackin out as I shoot back, fuck gettin hit! [more sirens]
This is my hood I’ma rep, to the death of it
’til everybody come home, little niggaz is grown
Hoodrats, don’t abortion your womb, we need more warriors soon
Sip from the star sun and the moon
In this life of police chases street sweepers and coppers
Stick-up kids with no conscience, leavin victims with doctors
IF YOU REALLY THINK YOU READY TO DIE, WITH NINES OUT
THIS IS WHAT NAS IS BOUT, NIGGA THE TIME IS NOW!

[whispering again]
Yo, all I need is one mic..
All I need is one mic.. that’s all I need
All I need is one mic.. all I need niggaz
All I need is one mic.. yeah

[gradually getting louder]
All I need is one blunt, one page, and one pen
One prayer – tell God forgive for one sin
Matter fact maybe more than one, look back
at all the hatred against me, fuck alla them
Jesus died at age 33, there’s thirty-three shots
from twin glocks there’s sixteen apiece, that’s thirty-two
Which means, one of my guns was holdin 17
Twenty-seven hit your crew, six went into you
Everybody gotta die sometime; hope your funeral
never gets shot up, bullets tear through the innocent
Nothin is fair, niggaz roll up, shootin from wheelchairs
My heart is racin, tastin revenge in the air
I let the shit slide for too many years, too many times
Now I’m strapped with a couple of macs, too many nines
If y’all niggaz really wit me get busy load up the semis
Do more than just hold it explode the clip until you empty
There’s nothin in our way – they bust, we bust, they rust, we rust
Led flyin, feel it? I feel it in my gut
THAT WE TAKE THESE BITCHES TO WAR, LIE ‘EM DOWN
CAUSE WE STRONGER NOW MY NIGGA THE TIME IS NOW!!

[whispering again]
All I need is one mic.. that’s all I need, that’s all I need
All I need is one mic.. there’s nuttin else in the world
All I need is one mic.. that’s all a nigga need to do his thing y’know
All I need is one mic..

[starting loud this time, getting quieter]
ALL I NEED IS ONE LIFE, ONE TRY, ONE BREATH I’M ONE MAN
WHAT I STAND FOR SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND
Or wanna see me on top, too egotistical
Talkin all that slick shit, the same way these bitches do
Wonder what my secrets is, niggaz’ll move on you
only if they know, what your weakness is I have none
Too late to grab guns I’m blastin cause I’m a cool nigga
Thought I wouldn’t have that ass done? Fooled you niggaz
What you call a infinite brawl, eternal souls clashin
War gets deep, some beef is everlastin
Complete with thick scars, brothers knifin each other
up in prison yards, drama, where does it start?
You know the block was ill as a youngster
Every night it was like a, cop would get killed body found in the dumpster
For real a hustler, purchased my Range, niggaz throwin dirt on my name
Jealous cause fiends got they work and complain
Bitches left me cause they thought I was finished
Shoulda knew she wasn’t true she came to me when her man caught a sentence
Diamonds are blindin, I never make the same mistakes
Movin with a change of pace, lighter load, see now the king is straight
Swellin my melon cause none of these niggaz real
Heard he was, tellin police, how can a kingpin squeal?
This is crazy, I’m on the right track I’m finally found
You need some soul searchin, the time is now

All I need is one mic.. yeah, yeah yeah yeah
All I need is one mic.. that’s all I ever needed in this world, fuck cash
All I need is one mic.. fuck the cars, the jewelry
All I need is one mic.. to spread my voice to the whole world

Rap has changed, but if you look hard enough you can still find realness through all the imagery.

Thats why RAP OWNS!! I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER! 😀

Yeah Eminem! 😀

hey you should write a song with that in it:
I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER!
I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER!
I LIKE RAP YEA MOTHER FUCKER!
Yeah Eminem! (repeat)

what do you do in rap concerts, Tilt your head and put your hands in the air? Rap… a rap concert is an hour a guy claiming he is the best that he took a shot and he is still alive, Rock is about Screammming! Havin Fun! Hear great music with different rythms, Pits, Enjoy life, Having fun at concerts … Rock Blows away Rap!

no, what you don’t understand is that rock is a form of hip hop and vice versa. Hendrix was the prototype hard rock artist with the big hair and fanatical fans. Even elvis ripped his style off of a Black southern club, listening from the outside. Rock/Hip Hop Both stem from the same culture and people(americans mainly shaped the sound), look back in history don’t listen to me. It’s the race of people doing the music that allows it to be labeled in the 1st place, this shouldn’t be; and as i’ve said b4 a lot of you don’t know TRUE hip hop. You let MTV shape your view on this form of music. Rap(Rapping) is the act of an emcee on a mic, there is mad Hip Hop that doesn’t even involve lyrics. As i’ve said earlier Hip Hop is actualy framed and descended from African drumb/dance and both are GREAT, but Hip Hop is surely most profound in that it is shaped and fueled by an opressed and misunderstood people.

I hate rap, because I think it sounds crap.

Rap is not Hip Hop Dark Maige. Most people not of the states and even people in the states over look this fact. The money loving corporations are having a field day force fucking Hip Hop down the neck making it a cash cow for themselves. Black males here who do the art are usualy so poor that they’ll sell the art tought to them by others for mere profit, this is destroying the art. There is also white America that is uneducated about Hip Hop and buy "Rap" albums because they think it’s the current manifestation of the art form and know nothing of the underground movement which was once mainstream and highly artfull. I am a DJ and the battle continues.

why is this in the music section? rap doesnt deserved to be called music…it berely pulls off shit

There is also white America that is uneducated about Hip Hop…

You managed to cram quite a bit of racism and elitism into very few words. Well done.

Prak!! it’s to commune what you mean in the best way possible. Though i’m a flawed man I try and am not a racist and I say so myself regaurdless of my skewed observations and tainted opinions. I DO know hip hop though, do you? But for the label game which is centuries old I would point out a group of people I KNOW are out there and speak what i’ve observed on it all.

You managed to cram quite a bit of racism and elitism into very few words. Well done.

And actualy, now that I look at that statement I see where I was wrong. The majority of Americans don’t even know hip hop. It’s more popular over seas than it is here. Americans are stuck on stupid rap. The falsity in that statement you pointed out Prak(thanx) I’ll correct in that actualy there are an alarming number of "white" hip hop fans out there and most hip hop albums can be bought in "white" neighberhoods!!! I know this because i’ve traveled the cerquit and have gotten most my vinyl collection by leaving "the hood" and traveling to the "white hood" to get my shit. Many minorities out there don’t even have enough fuckn money to buy music let alone true hip hop which is not in "our" local music stores because the majority have been brainwashed by radio to listen to and think "rap" is true Hip Hop or music in general. I call the shit "fornication Frequencies"! the label game continues….

i’ve always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

Because it makes kids smoke crack and kill white people.

Rock does the same thing in reverse Dirge! I think all music today reflects how mentaly mangled and crazed the people are today including myself. The thing is we should fight it. My opinion will NEVER be fact in a world like this and there will always be those who dislike me and you, but from what I can figure… fuck it.

Rock makes people angry and also tells them to do heorin.

Now this is for all you bastards who dont like rap,rap is good because
1)it tells it like it is i mean all those other bastards are fake and some rappers are fake to.
2)and to the person who said DIE TUPAC DIE i would make you eat those words if i knew where you live.
3)for those peole who think rap should not be called music what about all those wannabes like the backstreet boys,nsync and JJUSTIN FUCKEN TIMBERLAKE should that crap or any other crap like it be called music
4)andmy final point any one who dosent like rap should go to hell becase it is awesome so go fuck your rich white mother (bastards)oh wait you probably havent reached puberty yet(BASTARDS)

so who here is black?

Does it matter? For the record we’re all one people with different attributes and you can even hear it in the music. It’s our societies that are the experiment gone wrong.

Now this is for all you bastards who dont like rap,rap is good because
1)it tells it like it is i mean all those other bastards are fake and some rappers are fake to.
2)and to the person who said DIE TUPAC DIE i would make you eat those words if i knew where you live.
3)for those peole who think rap should not be called music what about all those wannabes like the backstreet boys,nsync and JJUSTIN FUCKEN TIMBERLAKE should that crap or any other crap like it be called music
4)andmy final point any one who dosent like rap should go to hell becase it is awesome so go fuck your rich white mother (bastards)oh wait you probably havent reached puberty yet(BASTARDS)

This serves as further evidence that rap either kills brain cells or only appeals to those who naturally lack them.

so who here is black?

Or, who here is a white wigger?

why does race make such a difference. you wanna know the truth? there would be no rap or hip-hop without white people. Russel Simmons created hip-hop, but the first artists were white. so go shove that up ur ass all these "only black people should rap" or "white rappers are an embarassment" fuckers.

but seriously, i don’t have a problem with gangsta rap, i do have a problem with rappers who only care about makin money and gettin women. i never cared. the only reason i rap is because i like doing it. if i only ever had one fan, i’d be fine. as long as my music is being heard, i’m content.

why does race make such a difference. you wanna know the truth? there would be no rap or hip-hop without white people. Russel Simmons created hip-hop, but the first artists were white. so go shove that up ur ass all these "only black people should rap" or "white rappers are an embarassment" fuckers.

but seriously, i don’t have a problem with gangsta rap, i do have a problem with rappers who only care about makin money and gettin women. i never cared. the only reason i rap is because i like doing it. if i only ever had one fan, i’d be fine. as long as my music is being heard, i’m content.

I just think rap is nothing more than talking fast with a shitty beat in the background.

why does race make such a difference. you wanna know the truth? there would be no rap or hip-hop without white people. Russel Simmons created hip-hop, but the first artists were white. so go shove that up ur ass all these "only black people should rap" or "white rappers are an embarassment" fuckers.

but seriously, i don’t have a problem with gangsta rap, i do have a problem with rappers who only care about makin money and gettin women. i never cared. the only reason i rap is because i like doing it. if i only ever had one fan, i’d be fine. as long as my music is being heard, i’m content.

Naw man, you numb skull. Russel Simmons didn’t create Hip Hop and the first artists were not white. Someone mis educated your ass to the point of Duuuuhh….. and I will not take the precious time out of my day to correct that false statement. Hip Hop is African drumb and still lives on today, some people just make me want to have my own nuclear stock pile!! J/K but I will slap fire out a zombie brained fuck head once quikly.

okay, Russel Simmons brought it to the mainstream. and some, if not most, of the first artists were white.

okay, Russel Simmons brought it to the mainstream. and some, if not most, of the first artists were white.

:?…eh..no

people hape rap because it is a load of shite!

Any ignorant comments like that one, which don’t back up your opinion, are considered useless and no one really cares. At least most of the people who like rap haven’t been OH GOD I HARTE YOU UGYS UR TERIBLE U SUX @ MUSIC. But rather, most of us have explained why we like it in a decent way with actual legit arguments backing it up. thx.

I just see no musical brilliance or talent in Rap music at all. I always get the feeling that there making up these terrible lyrics as they go along.:/

And, tommorow, if a hole opened in the ground and swallowed up every rapper on the planet, i`d be a quite happy guy.

I just see no musical brilliance or talent in Rap music at all. I always get the feeling that there making up these terrible lyrics as they go along.:/

And, tommorow, if a hole opened in the ground and swallowed up every rapper on the planet, i`d be a quite happy guy.

I agree with you, I think rap is just a monitonous drone over and over again.

I was watching this one video on mtv of this guy with a big head standing on a building and he was just shouting "IM A BAD MAN" over and over again.
Its just crap, these people get payed a hell of a lot of money for something that doesnt require you to have any talent at all =\

I agree with you, I think rap is just a monitonous drone over and over again.

I was watching this one video on mtv of this guy with a big head standing on a building and he was just shouting "IM A BAD MAN" over and over again.
Its just crap, these people get payed a hell of a lot of money for something that doesnt require you to have any talent at all =\

True, and while there getting wads of cash, REAL musicians are strugling to make it into the industry.

I don’t see how you guys don’t think rappers are real musicians. Granted, no actual instruments are used, but if you actually listen to decent rap, a lot of the lyrics are absolute genius. And they WRITE THEIR OWN MUSIC. And most of the time they CAN make it up as the go along, and that takes a lot of talent right there. Maybe if they start singing about breaking up with their girlfriends and how terrible/emo life is you might enjoy it more.

I don’t see how you guys don’t think rappers are real musicians. Granted, no actual instruments are used, but if you actually listen to decent rap, a lot of the lyrics are absolute genius. And they WRITE THEIR OWN MUSIC. And most of the time they CAN make it up as the go along, and that takes a lot of talent right there. Maybe if they start singing about breaking up with their girlfriends and how terrible/emo life is you might enjoy it more.

lol, well i can only stomach a small portion of music nowadays. I like 70s,80s and early 90s rock. But i never have and never will consider rap real music. I can see why people like it (maybe) but i can`t imagine sittin back, putting on earphones and listening to that pap. Give me Queen anyday.

So what kind of rap have you listened to? Honestly, I understand that there is a lot of shit rap out there, and I hate it probably just as much as you do. However, I’m not going to go and assume that everything out there is shit. The 70s 80s and 90s all have shit music, but I’m not going to wish that every artist from those eras would disappear from the earth and just because they TEND have lyrics about a particular subject, think they are all equally shit and not try to be open minded about that type of music.

So what kind of rap have you listened to? Honestly, I understand that there is a lot of shit rap out there, and I hate it probably just as much as you do. However, I’m not going to go and assume that everything out there is shit. The 70s 80s and 90s all have shit music, but I’m not going to wish that every artist from those eras would disappear from the earth and just because they TEND have lyrics about a particular subject, think they are all equally shit and not try to be open minded about that type of music.

I`ve listened to a bit so i can`t make a ultimate assumption, but to me it all sounds alike. It`s the usual guy moaning into a mic about how he pulled himslf up from shit and is noe "the king o bling" or somethin like that. It has no substance, it`s just bland.

I’ll give you a reason why rap is hated, and here he is…..

Rap music at its best….

LOL, John Cena, his songs are the crappiest i have ever heard!!!! Is that Mc Hammer??? John Cena is a guy that makes shitty music and everyone just love him, is a strange phenomon that started with a little bitch called Madonna, how i miss Kurt Cobain….

Yeah, I like how people keep saying that "l0l all the rap is the same", when it has been said many times that there is high quality rap out there that isn’t like the stuff on the radio. 🙁

Here’s the Bottom line:

I can see why rap music is popular, but it doesn’t make it good. All of rap these days are men talking about how many women they have slept with and how much money they have. Its not music! In fact, rap music these days only have one instrument playing and thats the Synthisizer.
Rock, these days, isn’t much better. In fact, its not even rock, its trashy pop / trashy punk rock. The point is people like Greenday, Avril Lavigne, Simple Plan and MANY MANY MORE make the music industry bad.
No music is moving foreward these days……..

…Except one type of music. That is VGM, or more commonly known as Game Music. I could talk passionatly about VGM for hours and still not be finished. And i’m not talking about Final Fantasy music (FF music is one of the worst sources of VGM), im talking about composer’s like Masashi Hamauzu (who worked on FFX with Junya Nakano and Nobuo Uematsu, SaGa Frontier II and UNLIMITED: SaGa), Daisuke Ishiwatari (who worked on the Guilty Gear series), Sound Team JDK (who worked on the Ys series), Taito sound team Zuntata, Konami Kukeiha Club, Super Sweep Inc. (wich consists of VGM vetaran Shinji Hosoe, who worked on Xenosaga Episode II, Takayuki Aihara, who worked on Drag-On Dragoon Music, Nobuyoshi Sano, who also worked on Drag-On Dragoon music), Yasunori Mitsuda (who worked on the Chrono Series and the Xeno series), Yoko Shimomura (who worked on Kingdom Hearts, Legend of Mana, Parasite Eve and Live a Live), Yoshitaka Hirota (who worked on the Shadow Hearts series and also did the sound effect programming for Chrono Trigger), Hitoshi Sakimoto (who has worked on Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Legaia Duel Saga, Vagrant Story, Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter, Stella Deus and just finished working on Final Fantasy XII and is replacing Nobuo Uematsu for future FF games. GO SAKIMOTO!!), Masaharu Iwata (who worked on Baroque, Treasure Hunter G, Final Fantasy Tactics and is Hitsohi Sakimoto’s buddy and co-worker at their company Basiscape), Hiroki Kikuta (who worked on the Seiken Densetsu series, not including Legend of Mana), Koichi Sugiyama (who worked on the Dragon Quest Series and Hanjuku Hero Divertimo), Koji Kondo (who is the composer for the Mario series, Zelda series, Super Mario RPG and also has Sir Paul Mcartney as a fan!) and Motoi Sakuraba (who worked on the Star Ocean Series, Valkyrie Profile, Baten Kaitos, Tales of series with Shinji Tamura and also did Shining The Holy Ark, Force of Light and Shining Force III)

I urge you all to listen to VGM outside of the Final Fantasy Series (except Final Fantasy VI by Nobuo Uematsu, that score is absoloutly supurb. It beats any John Williams score ever made!).

I don’t see how you guys don’t think rappers are real musicians. Granted, no actual instruments are used, but if you actually listen to decent rap, a lot of the lyrics are absolute genius. And they WRITE THEIR OWN MUSIC. And most of the time they CAN make it up as the go along, and that takes a lot of talent right there. Maybe if they start singing about breaking up with their girlfriends and how terrible/emo life is you might enjoy it more.

Isn’t music supposed to sound good? Rap doesnt sound good its just a load of shouting. Are you saying that every musician apart from rappers dont write their own music? Also my mate can make it up as he goes along and he’s just an ordinary bloke, its not hard.

Isn’t music supposed to sound good? Rap doesnt sound good its just a load of shouting. Are you saying that every musician apart from rappers dont write their own music? Also my mate can make it up as he goes along and he’s just an ordinary bloke, its not hard.

What music do you listen to?

Isn’t music supposed to sound good? Rap doesnt sound good its just a load of shouting. Are you saying that every musician apart from rappers dont write their own music? Also my mate can make it up as he goes along and he’s just an ordinary bloke, its not hard.

Doesn’t mean its any good.

Seriously, you guys keep throwing the same shit out "THEY YELL STUFF" "THEY RAP ABOUT WOMEN AND MONEY" "I CANT UNDERSTAND THEM", but besides that, which most of which is only found on the radio, you have nothing else to back up your statements.

I guess I don’t mind if people don’t particularly like rap music, but I don’t understand the unnecessary hate towards it. I’m not a big fan of "emo" music, but if someone were to send me a song that was emo and it sounded good, I wouldn’t NOT listen to it because it was emo.

And no, I wasn’t saying that all non-rappers don’t write their own music, but since everyone here seems to like to generalize on mainstream music, then most mainstream artists don’t write their own lyrics, and if they do, they aren’t very good. Even if rap music is about fucking bitches or spending g’s, there are songs that can make it FUN to listen to, and its rapped about in a way that does show some real talent.

I’m done with this thread because it just goes in circles ^o^

Every argument in FFS goes in circles, better to get out while you can.
What we needed was a poll.

i dont mind rap mixed with rock either. what i hate is when people dress up in clothes that drag halfway across the room, or when they wear 20 ibs of fake gold or stainless steel crap, with their hats sideways and them thinking they r so badass. (they look retarded 2 me). i also hate metal and that screaming sh!t.

i dont mind rap mixed with rock either. what i hate is when people dress up in clothes that drag halfway across the room, or when they wear 20 ibs of fake gold or stainless steel crap, with their hats sideways and them thinking they r so badass. (they look retarded 2 me). i also hate metal and that screaming sh!t.

Bit of advice mate, get rid o that huge sig.

Every argument in FFS goes in circles, better to get out while you can.
What we needed was a poll.

a poll wouldn’t count for anything. Just because there are a number of people in here saying RPA USX O MAN I HATE IT doesn’t mean its a more valid opinion than anything I, or anyone else who has agreed with me, has said in this thread.

To the few people who don’t like rap that actually put forth a decent reason why, thanks. The rest of you can fuck off.

~~peace out nigs~~

a poll wouldn’t count for anything. Just because there are a number of people in here saying RPA USX O MAN I HATE IT doesn’t mean its a more valid opinion than anything I, or anyone else who has agreed with me, has said in this thread.

To the few people who don’t like rap that actually put forth a decent reason why, thanks. The rest of you can fuck off.

~~peace out nigs~~

Cassie, when you grow up your taste in music will (hopefully) change. When that happens then come back and talk to me. I`m having trouble taking you serious.

haha WOT. Because I listen to rap music suddenly means I’m not grown up? Honestly, you’re the one who needs to grow up and realize that just because you aren’t fond of something doesn’t mean that its bad in itself. Comments like that just mean that you’re the one with the growing up to do.

haha WOT. Because I listen to rap music suddenly means I’m not grown up? Honestly, you’re the one who needs to grow up and realize that just because you aren’t fond of something doesn’t mean that its bad in itself. Comments like that just mean that you’re the one with the growing up to do.

*applause*

~takes a bow~

~takes a bow~

Lets not go nuts

I met a man from Ireland that was retarded once. I guess that means everyone from Ireland is retarded. :rolleyes:

Lets not go nuts

im not going nuts

im just

gEtTiNg CrUnK uP iN dA cLuB

gEtTiNg CrUnK uP iN dA cLuB

:/ Nuff said bi-atch

nigga please

nigga please

Bigga bigga…BOOM!

hey cracker

get the fuck out

hey cracker

get the fuck out

Yo too fresh bi-atch

hey, fresh was a good thing back in the 50s

hey, fresh was a good thing back in the 50s

Rofl,
So what does it mean now? y`now rap-wise

It means rap should die an exruciatingly painful death by surgical removal from Hip Hop. I’m 98.3% sure the great majority of you haven’t heard Hip Hop. This form of rapping and musicianship(yes music, there are instruments in Hip Hop depending on the group, i.e. The Roots) has excelled over any other form of music out there simply because it combines all forms of music creatively and is only limited in possibilities by those who practice the art. I can’t explain enough to you people or convince you of what you are ignorant of but I can say you are missing out on great music under the label of Hip Hop or Rap because of your half shaped opinions and cultural/racial/social views and lack of searching. I will post some links to some great tracks you’ve never heard in your life soon, successfully making some of you aware that Hip Hop is out there and usualy kept secret by the powers that be or those who like it’s exclusiveness. I am one of the latter and won’t go out of my way to convince some cat in Ireland or Rural Alabama to change his views and look where he would ignore, finding gold.

im pretty sure there has only been what three or four people who have posted good things about rap an those who have said anything bad about rap should die

I hope not. It wouldn’t help any, conflict in man descends from devision of man and the destruction of self and family. Who’s to blame? Certainly not Hip Hop. Do the knowledge…

People hate rap because its rubbish. Simple really.

And then there was Hip Hop.
http://www.stonesthrow.com/madlib/
I’ll make a thread on it. Indeed…

Hip hop….rap….all sounds the same too me.
In a very bad, ears bleeding way that is.

And then there was Hip Hop.
http://www.stonesthrow.com/madlib/
I’ll make a thread on it. Indeed…

Yes, black man music in general is crap……… (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm)

People hate rap because its rubbish. Simple really.

Actually, people hate ROCK, because IT is crap.

It made my cock bleed once true story.

Actually, people hate ROCK, because IT is crap.

It made my cock bleed once true story.

Rofl, please elaborate 🙂

I met a man from Ireland that was retarded once. I guess that means everyone from Ireland is retarded. :rolleyes:

hey.

i resent that. ;-;

Yes, black man music in general is crap……… (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm)

Hip Hop is the most successful musical art form these days because it combines technology with instruments and poetry with rhythm. Think about it, the potential for this art form is limitless. Sometimes I myself use unbeleavable resources to accomplish a track i.e. sampling the many strings of the harp and scratching the sound artfuly on some turn tables!! I add in a snare or drumb kick from Bethovin then splice in a rare baseline from an obscure reggae group from the 70’s! Not to mention I play the guitar,piano,drumbs and am just getting into the flute. I’m also masterful with the turn tables. The techniques are endless and they are bitten and stolen by other music genres out there and Hip Hop gets no frickin respect. It was hated out the gate and now that it’s a grown up it’s not respected as an elder and pioneer of 21st century music. Sure there’s garbage out there, but you can say the same thing referring to food and people!

Hip Hop is the most successful musical art form these days because it combines technology with instruments and poetry with rhythm. Think about it, the potential for this art form is limitless. Sometimes I myself use unbeleavable resources to accomplish a track i.e. sampling the many strings of the harp and scratching the sound artfuly on some turn tables!! I add in a snare or drumb kick from Bethovin then splice in a rare baseline from an obscure reggae group from the 70’s! Not to mention I play the guitar,piano,drumbs and am just getting into the flute. I’m also masterful with the turn tables. The techniques are endless and they are bitten and stolen by other music genres out there and Hip Hop gets no frickin respect. It was hated out the gate and now that it’s a grown up it’s not respected as an elder and pioneer of 21st century music. Sure there’s garbage out there, but you can say the same thing referring to food and people!

you play the drums but yet you can’t spell it. that’s frightening.

anyway, lately iu’ve heard alot of people saying that rap is too easy. not true. it’s easy to rap, but doing it well takes practice and considerable skill.

In my opinion, rap music sucks but I have the same opinion for country, hip hop, pop, death/black metal, modern rock, jazz, and modern metal. The only music I really listen to is 70s/80s rock and metal along with a small bit of oldies.

rap will NEVER die i wont let it

I don’t like rap in general. Having said that i can ocasionally hear a rap song that i like. Rap was better ten/fifteen years ago. there was a lot more good songs and the whole fued thing is probably the most intresting chapter in musical history over the last fifty years. The tabloid press portray modern rappers and their songs as some kind of fuel for violence which really is a load of shit. basically i don’t like modern day rap because i find it repetitive and all the songs and artists very similar but the same applys to basically every genre at the minute. in the rock genre too artists have become less inventive and individual. it seems to be more the fault of the record labels, refusing to take chances on a more unique and inventive style of music for fear of poor sales, and instead only producing the stuff they are confident will sell. this probably explains the falling music sales (in the uk at least). Then again this is all my own opinion and someone will probably disagree with me completely, which is fine as this whole thing is about musical taste and opinion.

Rap AKA (rap sucks because its not real singing and its lyrics are nothing but pure b|_|llsh!t

You didn’t even spell "Schlong" right, Lord Abortion.

Owned, anways back to topic. Rap in most people’s ears is not considered music, its more like talking to a tune, thats why most of the elderly people dont like it. They are used to their 70’s and 80’s disco, or even further back.

someone said only sex and violence in rap? Absolutely not 😉 most raps are about hate but there are some about racism, love and war, and why they excist .

Btw the post above me, is just spam, please specify on why spam is "b|_|llsh!t"

btw l33t is very old and considered l4m3 😉

not all rap sounds the same people i can easily tell the diff between most rap/hip hop artists because most of them are rapping about something different.

Rap "music" is also hated because theres not enough real instruments.

Owned, anways back to topic. Rap in most people’s ears is not considered music, its more like talking to a tune, thats why most of the elderly people dont like it. They are used to their 70’s and 80’s disco, or even further back.

someone said only sex and violence in rap? Absolutely not most raps are about hate but there are some about racism, love and war, and why they excist .

Btw the post above me, is just spam, please specify on why spam is "b|_|llsh!t"

btw l33t is very old and considered l4m3

You are unintelligent and a crowd follower.

You are a crowd follower because you said "Owned, anways back to topic. Rap in most people’s ears is not considered music, its more like talking to a tune, thats why most of the elderly people dont like it. They are used to their 70’s and 80’s disco, or even further back." Give unpopular old music a try You cant realy say what you said because youve obviousley never listend to pre 90’s. you also dont like leet because its old.

You arent very intelligent because you said "only sex and violence in rap? Absolutely not most raps are about hate but there are some about racism, love and war, and why they excist ." most of thoose things are related to either sex or violence.

You also said my post was spam when the thread is in fact called "rap, why is it hated" I answerd the question did i not?

The leet was also a way of avoiding my words being blocked I asumed everyone hade the brain power to figure that out.

Hard to believe Bigfoot and this fellow come from the same continent, isn’t it?

Hard to believe Bigfoot and this fellow come from the same continent, isn’t it?
…?

Rap "music" is also hated because theres not enough real instruments.

Define a "real" instrument.

You are unintelligent and a crowd follower.

haha.

Give unpopular old music a try You cant realy say what you said because youve obviousley never listend to pre 90’s. you also dont like leet because its old.

You obviously haven’t listened to enough rap to have an informed opinion. Your are invalid. Boo.

You arent very intelligent because you said "only sex and violence in rap? Absolutely not most raps are about hate but there are some about racism, love and war, and why they excist ." most of thoose things are related to either sex or violence.

Racism love and war are linearly related to sex and violence? I see.

Regardless, the majority of rap and hip hop doesn’t deal with "sex and violence". Hip hop has a histroy of being very political. Most hip hop artists do not write songs that are in any way similar to the three rap songs you heard on the radio and thus formed a completely biased, ill-informed ignorant opinion on the entire genre.

You also said my post was spam when the thread is in fact called "rap, why is it hated" I answerd the question did i not?

No, you merely illustrated your complete lack of knowledge on the subject. 😉

The leet was also a way of avoiding my words being blocked I asumed everyone hade the brain power to figure that out.

Fuck. Shit. Piss. Cunt.

I am only replying to the comments that do make sense and deserve to be.

Define a "real" instrument. a device used to make music that does not realy on electricity (besides electric guitar) basically turn tables and synphasizors are not instruments.

You obviously haven’t listened to enough rap to have an informed opinion. Your are invalid. Boo. What are you basing that on?

Regardless, the majority of rap and hip hop doesn’t deal with "sex and violence". Hip hop has a histroy of being very political. Most hip hop artists do not write songs that are in any way similar to the three rap songs you heard on the radio and thus formed a completely biased, ill-informed ignorant opinion on the entire genre.

I have listend to 4 albums full of rap garbage all 80 songs were about how bad there life is or how many people theyve killed

The only good hip hop is from the 80’s

a device used to make music that does not realy on electricity (besides electric guitar) basically turn tables and synphasizors are not instruments.

So by saying a Synthesizer isn’t a real instrument, your saying a keyboard isn’t a real instrument?

Say what?
Any musical instrument that relies on electricity isn’t a real instrument?
Hahahha, you’re crazy.

I have listend to 4 albums full of rap garbage all 80 songs were about how bad there life is or how many people theyve killedFour whole albums! FOUR! That’s definitely not enough, sorry. As proven by the fact that you think that electric instruments (BAR OF COURSE GUITARS BECAUSE GUITARS ARE THE KING OF INSTRUMENTS AND ANYONE WHO PLAYS ANYTHING ELSE IS A FAGGOT SISSY FAG) aren’t really instruments at all.

Basically, by your logic, any song that relies upon electricity to be, well, the full song, is actually not music. Or it’s only quasi-music.

Also, your lame point about "hey guys hip hop is just about how bad their lives are" is just as well applied to a lot of rock these days. Linkin Park? Hellooooooo.

So, what sort of music do you like, twinkle-toes? I bet you dollars to donuts that I can apply your hasty points to it.

So by saying a Synthesizer isn’t a real instrument, your saying a keyboard isn’t a real instrument? yes

Also, your lame point about "hey guys hip hop is just about how bad their lives are" is just as well applied to a lot of rock these days. Linkin Park? Hellooooooo.
I dont like new rock, it sounds like grinding metal.

I like classic rock Rolling stines, Queen etc… dis it, see if I give a damn.

Queen is wicked to. I dug their songs for Highlander among others. Anyway, Hip Hop is powerful music with an even more powerful message. Many haven’t heard it. They are too busy listening to the corporation wars headed by contracted rappers who speak what their told 2 over radio frequencies.

As Duo and mrmonkeyman has said, you have not listened to enough rap albums. Listening to 4 albums and 80 songs from about 1 million (songs) is showing how "big" your variety is…

Yes you did answer the question. Took you a few more posts to explain yourself.

I’am unintelligent? What facts are YOU basing this on? Then a crowd follower, if you can explain that to me on WHY I’am a crowd follower, I’am happily handing over the arguement.

Kubirio: Hard to believe Bigfoot and this fellow come from the same continent, isn’t it? <—–Are you talking about me? If you are what do I have to do with bigfoot? Please define.

Duo: Racism love and war are linearly related to sex and violence? I see. <—- My mistake.

-esp-: hade <—-You were very angry while typing your reply, typos like that occur when you slam the keys on your keyboard, try to control yourself, no need to get mad.

Never mind it all PuX. We can’t satisfy even an opinion with an opinion. There will always be those who don’t respect yours and the best way to combat it is to say nothing at all (if you can’t proove them wrong). We merely bump heads and bruise brains and egos. All I know is Hip Hop is the voice of todays black youth. Rap in my opinion is the voice of todays black youth being held hostage by money grubbing men who care nothing for what children the world over hear in their ears. There’s money to be made in war on the streets, radio or the battle field.

I am only replying to the comments that do make sense and deserve to be.

You’re quite luck I replied to anything you said. Quite. It may be for your benefit, perhaps I can educate you a little.

a device used to make music that does not realy on electricity (besides electric guitar) basically turn tables and synphasizors are not instruments.

Alright, that’d your definition. Please qualify this. Why, exactly, does being electricity-powered stop an instrument from being an instrument (ASIDE FROM GUITARS I LIKE THOSE)? 500 words, on my desk by Friday.

What are you basing that on?

You claim most rap is about "sex and violence". You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

I have listend to 4 albums full of rap garbage all 80 songs were about how bad there life is or how many people theyve killed

The only good hip hop is from the 80’s

Wow, 4 albums. Pardon me for disagreeing with you, clearly you’re an expert.

all 80 songs were about how bad there life is

are you sure that wasn’t a rock album? I mean some rock songs are like that so surely they ALL are right L:OLLL?

You know, maybe you’re right. Infinite Livez’s ‘Bush Meat’ was all about sex and violence, it didn’t have anything to do with his one eyed puppet Billy Convex and it wasn’t a Concept album AT ALL. Public Enemy weren’t about politics! Oh no! ‘Fear of a Black Planet’ was all about TITS. I don’t know what The Streets are talking about, but I have good money on it being only sex and violence at this point. Grandmaster Flash was pro-drugs. Not anti! Of course, white lines was appreciation of cocaine!

Thanks for telling me, fuck, I feel such a fool, thinking these albums were about things completely unrelated to sex and violence, when, in fact – they were. God bless you, you sweet little moron.

Kubirio: Hard to believe Bigfoot and this fellow come from the same continent, isn’t it? <—–Are you talking about me? If you are what do I have to do with bigfoot? Please define.

I was reffering to -eSp-. They are both Aussies, apparantly.

The only good hip hop is from the 80’s

That’s a pretty bold statement. Sometimes you have to search a little harder, but it’s out there. …Endtroducing is exhibit A in my case that you are wrong. What’s more, the album was made without the aid of "real instruments." Samples, samples, and more samples. It’s one of the few examples that sampling can be so much more than ripping off a baseline.

Ok, Kubirio, thanks for clearing up discussion ends for me here. AtomNarmer: Your right, best thing to do is leave it 🙂

I can’t believe I come from the same continent as -eSp-.

An Electric Guitar is an instrument. A keyboard is an instrument. A synthisizer is an instrument. Dude, there all instruments, you still have to play them, thus, making them automaticly an instrument. There are ALOT of electricity based instruments around and by saying there not instruments your saying that about 50% of instruments are not real. Maybe you should research a bit more before you argue with us, -eSp-

because it’s not singing, it’s just talking really weird.

Enough with the noob bashing already. You’ve all re-stated your points numerous times. We’ve all got our views on the matter and there’s no need to get bitchy. For instance, I much prefer jazz and think rap and heavy metal are generally poor. When asked why, I simply give the answer that none of you have thought of, I think. Because I like jazz and don’t like rap/heavy metal/punk rock.

There’s a big difference between "I dislike genre of music!" and "All music from genre of music is inherently crap cos I said so!", and anybody dumb enough to hold the latter opinion deserves to be flamed. Lots.

SQUIGGLY YOUR SIG IS RIGHT :(:(:(:(
Anywho, I am not the biggest fan of rap, however it is all down to personal taste.

it is all down to perosnal taste.
My point exactly.

I don’t like rap, because I personaly don’t like that style of music. I listen to classic rock, such as Iron Maiden, Led Zeppelin, AC DC, and so on and so forth.

P.S I most likly spelled the bands names wrong.

Sorry one more point….Why cant talking be considered as music?

Vocals are a part of the music, the voice is an instrument. Yup.

A voice doesn’t have to be used for singing in order for it to be musical. Also:

because it’s not singing, it’s just talking really weird.

Not always. In fact melodies aren’t uncommon in rapping at all.

u gotta understand that almost all of the rappers come from poor places and all they know is how to buy the right white tee or how to take the safety out of their guns you know they grew up selling drugs and rap is their big break. Only probelm is that all they have is their hoodish mind to help them write.

not completly true they dont always rap about being all thugged out and shit they may rap about other shit Tupac for example did come from the streets but he was also a poet and not all of those poems were about being a hard core gangsta from poverty

so like, if a keyboard (which is pretty much an amplified piano) isn’t an instrument, why is a guitar.

A keyboard isn’t anything like an amplified piano really because it’s not a stringed instrument.

Actually, here is the difference between a keyboard and an electric guitar: The keyboard operates purely on electric energy being converted into acoustic energy. The electric guitar creates acoustic energy which is turned into electric energy by the guitar’s pickups, and it is then turned back into acoustic energy by the amplifier. So basically a keyboard just eliminates one of the steps, making it a more "pure" instrument than an electric guitar.

In other words, if you want to try to claim that keyboards aren’t "real" instruments, you’re not allowed to let electric guitars be, either.

yes

I dont like new rock, it sounds like grinding metal.

I like classic rock Rolling stines, Queen etc… dis it, see if I give a damn.

ur too WHITE to give a damn.

now listen to your shit music again cuz all you can do is talk 😎

i listen to rap all the time, im listening to it right now, some people like it some dont oh well

Rap Music – One of the world’s biggest oxymorons, followed closely by Microsoft Works and Government Organisation

A keyboard isn’t anything like an amplified piano really because it’s not a stringed instrument.

Actually, here is the difference between a keyboard and an electric guitar: The keyboard operates purely on electric energy being converted into acoustic energy. The electric guitar creates acoustic energy which is turned into electric energy by the guitar’s pickups, and it is then turned back into acoustic energy by the amplifier. So basically a keyboard just eliminates one of the steps, making it a more "pure" instrument than an electric guitar.

In other words, if you want to try to claim that keyboards aren’t "real" instruments, you’re not allowed to let electric guitars be, either.That’s a far more intricate and well thought out explanation of what I said.

Hence me quoting it and agreeing with it!

because it’s not singing, it’s just talking really weird.

heh, and what would that make hardcore rock music? they make screaming into music why can’t poetry done to a beat be considered music?

I hate rap music because they (rap "artists") abandoned the guitar.

rap abandoned every instrument except the bass and the all power computer =-O

Because is LOW and shitty..

MONKEY LOW CLASS MUSIC.. That easy…
The videos sucks too.. Those BLACK guettos…. black people showing guns…. their horrible sick houses and hoods. and SO ON.

I enjoy a moderate amount of rap.

Some rap music is fine, but the majority of the cRap nowadays are cliched and a talentless hack of a popular stereotype. We need to hear more rap songs about stuff other than that gangsta shit.

I find that it’s bullshit that so many cunt-crusts has raped the genre dry of every single penny. Eminem I can tolerate because he doesn’t take himself seriously, but 50 cent and Tupac really needs to be thrown into a busy intersection and crushed between 2 pick up trucks.

And anyone who says country music is shit just because it’s country music is a fucking moron. There are good AND bad country music out there.

i’m expecting T.K any minute now :p

i dislike rap, well manily because it sucks but, there not even singing. there not changing tone at all, its just talking to a beat. and what makes that worsre is that the beat isnt even created by a really indtroment, the manily use techno beat keyboards with a drum machine to give that oomf. and theres usually a bass in there to but the keyboard can handke that to.so basically i dont even know how it can be classifed as music if it doesnt have musical elements. (?)

It could all disappear and I wouldn’t miss it…

Nothing like music elitism.

The thing about rap music for me is that it’s repetitive. There’s typically one beat with maybe a few programmed fills looping over and over. The music over this tends to be very simplistic. The lyrics then are often unintelligent.

That’s just not good music to me.

I don’t like rap it’s lyrics are down to this:

Girls
Cars
Sex
Money
How good they are
And insulting each other
it’s repetitive
And the music has always the same beat
I don’t like music without guitar riffs, or drums

I agree partly with these, though I’ll listen to (and do have) some rap music. I steer cleer of the ~ Girls, Cars, Sex, Money, How good they are, insulting each other and talking about how they’re gonna bust yo ass lyric’d stuff though. Having been studying in and writing music for 2 and a half years now, also the really repetive background tracked rap just bores the hell out of me.

Why do I get this feeling of mild racism within these pages? Oh well….Hopefully it will slide off.

Now, a lot of you all are saying how rap is repetitive and oh it sucks and stuff like that because they only talk about sex, drugs and violence. Well, rap has grown so much that it has something called ‘sub-genres’. All that type of rap is known to be Hardcore Rap/Gangsta Rap.

That’s the one everyone supposedly hates. And that’s why it’s so repetitive. Because it’s in the same genre…Duuuurrrrh.

There are other types of rap you know. People who don’t really curse and don’t talk about the things you all are bringing up. They talk about positive things about life. They are rather poets interpreting their feelings through a beat.

People like Common, Talieb Kwali, Jurassic 5. They’re not your typical crotch-grabbing, gun toting rappers.

Besides, even Gangsta Rappers, at some point, soften up their lyrics for particular songs.

I’m usually open to almost every type of music. And I grew up on Rap/Hip-Hop and R&B. So, to see people make comments on Rap and I know that many of you haven’t even listened probably 5 songs from 5 different artists. I wouldn’t jump the gun as to saying "I Hate It because it’s crap."

Hell, I had that same feeling towards Rock. Just a bunch of guys screaming with a guitar and drums whoopee. I wouldn’t blink twice at it. Now almost a fourth of my playlist has songs from Metallica, AC/DC, Korn, Slipknot, Stabbing Westward and Static X.

Most of you just need to think outside the box and actually listen to some other type of music and give it a chance. You might like it.

Most of you just need to think outside the box and actually listen to some other type of music and give it a chance. You might like it.

I agree. You never know what kind of gold you’ll find when you’re randomly searching for something new.

There is more to music than what you hear on the radio or on your favorite tv show.

One thing that really irks me, though, is whenever someone brings up certain type of music in a topic, there’s bound to be some racial siding. Black kids will go with rap and whites with rock and that random German kid will go with Nina Hagen(I love her).

Music should’t have to be associated with a race. Music is a universal language.

Gosh, if that didn’t make me sound like a hippie, I don’t know what did.

…Korn, Slipknot…

…ahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

They are rather poets interpreting their feelings through a beat.

Beatniks?

…ahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

x2

Rap this century is crap. lets face it, its all too materialistic and rappers sold out. in the 90’s it had meaning, and it was a time when rap was relevant to a particular community. young teens these days dont know about the old days, all they hear is 50 cent and wankers like that. They like punk/ emo stuff cause it has "meaning" to them, in the lyrics.

theres my 2 cents.

Rap is pretty much like any other genre, most of the mainstream and popular things aren’t very good and then there tends to be a whole lot of extremely talented artists in the local and underground/indie type scenes. I am actually a rather large fan of hip hop but a lot of the artists I listen to are from Minneapolis or are connected to the Rhymesayers label. There is a lot of shitty rock and pop too. Like just know when people are laughing about bands like Slipknot. Most people who know a thing or two would laugh just as much about Ja-rule or Nelly. Also the people who are saying that rap isn’t music are pretty darn silly, just because it is not what you think of as traditional music doesn’t mean it isn’t. It has beats and uses newer technology for instrumentation and the lyrics are delivered in a non-traditional style. Just because something is hasn’t been around all that long doesn’t make it wrong.

edit:

They like punk/ emo stuff cause it has "meaning" to them, in the lyrics.
Sure it has meaning to suburban white kids.

more edit: The people saying all rap is about bling and hoes are also being silly because that again falls under it’s not all like the stuff on the radio heading. Most popular modern rock is pretty single minded as well.

WHO BADMOUTHED SLIPKNOT!!??

they are truly gods among all musicians.

*bows*

I have more godliness in my toenails.

Rap as a majority sucks ass, there’s only little good rap left, now all you got is this crappy R&B, pop, gangster rap stuff taking over the genre, it’s good in some parts but the rare good parts are normally underground groups and rappers.

I’m a metalhead, I like Metallica, Iron Maiden, W.A.S.P. and Dio mainly and I’ve heard lots of other music before, punk rock, pop rock, pop punk, rap, techno, dance, "rave". I’ve heard it before all over the place but I don’t like most of it, there’s one or 2 groups I like in other genres but nothing special. There seems to be a belief that you have to be black, from the streets and illiterate to rap, the first being the most common. I liked a good few of Eminem’s songs and he wasn’t all about gangsters and crap like that. Rap music is hated because the majority of it sucks ass, the actual good stuff is outweighed, forced into submission. Poof. Off with the fairies. Snuffed it. Kicked the bucket. It’s bleeding demised!

Eminem I can tolerate because he doesn’t take himself seriously, but 50 cent and Tupac really needs to be thrown into a busy intersection and crushed between 2 pick up trucks.

How can you say such a thing about tupac? He did what he loved, he didnt sell out and rap about money and nightclubs all the time like 50cent does.

Same reason I think Slipknot should go slip the knot on themselves. They have always been shit, and will always be shit.

I like Metallica

I hope to god you’re talking about back when Cliff Burton was still alive.

And what’s wrong with the albums after that? Artistically speaking, they were much stronger after Burton died, even if their style did change dramatically.

I liked them with and after Cliff, I like them now. I’m a fan of the Load album. Even metal has it’s ups and downs like rap but it’s not as big a deal because you don’t get retards yelping on with their gangster turds. It burns, I tell you truth, it burns!

I don’t think people like rap because it’s a bad influence. My younger brother and my older sister listen to it, but I don’t. It’s stupid and people have bad taste if they like it.

A guy with an advent children avatar is saying others have bad taste? Hardly a credible claim!

A guy with an advent children avatar is saying others have bad taste? Hardly a credible claim!

What are you talking about? Are you saying final fantasy sucks?

Lacking in reading comprehension skills as well as taste, I see.

Lacking in reading comprehension skills as well as taste, I see.

If I couldn’t read I couldn’t write this sentence. So I say you’re lacking.

Again, you prove the lack of comprehension skills.

whoa, this is going to get hot.

Again, you prove the lack of comprehension skills.

Prak, I don’t think I like you. You’re an asshole. I know you’re going to give a negative response after this, so I’m going to say fuck you in advance.

you don’t get retards yelping on with their gangster turds. It burns, I tell you truth, it burns!
Yes, instead you get sweaty men yelling about death and destruction. total upgrade!

Orochi, Prak is saying that you can’t comprehend what he is saying, not that you can’t read it. He implied Advent Children sucked, something I totally agree with, but instead of taking that from what he said you took that he meant the whole FF franchise. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

I don’t really know why I posted this.

Prak, I don’t think I like you. You’re an asshole. I know you’re going to give a negative response after this, so I’m going to say fuck you in advance.

hahaha, this never gets old.

Also, Rap Music is hated because its fucking shite.

Orochi, Prak is saying that you can’t comprehend what he is saying, not that you can’t read it. He implied Advent Children sucked, something I totally agree with, but instead of taking that from what he said you took that he meant the whole FF franchise. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

I don’t really know why I posted this.

He said READING comprehension skills you stupid little lock.

He said reading COMPREHENSION skills you stupid little lock.

Hogan, you sure don’t talk much. You just quote what other people say. And about Prak, I checked what he said originally. I was right.

He said reading COMPREHENSION skills you stupid little lock.

Yes, instead you get sweaty men yelling about death and destruction. total upgrade!

that’s just black and death metal, sometimes it goes into other places. The only sweaty man in metal I know of has to be Axl Rose and he sucks.

I told you this would get good, poor Orochi is getting owned.
You’re going to get yourself into deep crap and laughed at for making attacks on other members, by what I’ve seen no one gives a crap about it and there’s no one to stop people from laughing and making fun of you. I’d join in if it were up to me but I don’t feel like it. Don’t bother trying me on for size for this post.

Oh my. I never imagined Orochi would be so entertaining. Oh wait. He might not understand that. I should put it terms he can comprehend.

Orochi u r funy bcuz ur 2 stupid 2 get wut im saying.

And what’s wrong with the albums after that? Artistically speaking, they were much stronger after Burton died, even if their style did change dramatically.

It’s mostly the attitude of Lars and James after Cliff died, definitely not cool, the whole napster deal. They went from supporting bootlegging, to being uppity about P2P. I’d have to disagree though with your statement, I feel that the musical composition in albums produced during the Cliff Burton era are the strongest in the band’s history. Sure there are a couple of okay albums released after he died, I don’t think they’re as good. Also, St Anger made me go "Fuck this shit!" to Metallica.

Maybe in the future they’ll improve, but for now, they are pretty much a shadow of their former selves.

I agree their attitude turned pretty shitty, especially Lars’. However, that really doesn’t have any bearing on their music.

You’d be pretty hard-pressed to prove that their earlier work was artistically superior. At that point, every album was simply more of the same. It wasn’t until Ride the Lightning that they actually started to take risks and try to further develop their sound. If you preferred their style while it was still raw, that’s perfectly fine. However, it did become far more refined over the years, their instrumentals developed a great deal more variance, and their lyrics actually became marginally meaningful.

As for St. Anger, nobody takes that one seriously anyway. Everyone knows it was an utter failure. And why did it fail? Because they threw away all the refinement that had gone into their music in previous years.

You may be on to something there.

that’s just black and death metal, sometimes it goes into other places. The only sweaty man in metal I know of has to be Axl Rose and he sucks. Man! Can you imagine people making assumptions about a genre from just a couple of bands?

mind boggling!

Man! Can you imagine people making assumptions about a genre from just a couple of bands?

mind boggling!

I think that’s the situation most of the time when people make a strange opinion/stereotype on a genre of music. If we label them out of this thread, how many posts would be left?

ok, i think rap sucks because it talks about unrealistic emotion, the beat is shallow, repedative and not musicall challenging or involving. the lyrics are just as boring and no talent is needed as they dont sing, all they can do is talk fast and if you have ever heard a little sister talk on the phone it OWNES rappers speed and pace. truth is it is lame and irritating. personally i dont like it because musiclly it sucks and spiritually does nothing for anyone

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Its hated because of all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that the niggers are getting.

nobody likes a rich nigger.

thats why im the most hated person in my school. 🙂

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You can’t spell "crap" without "rap."

I don’t think people like rap because it’s a bad influence. My younger brother and my older sister listen to it, but I don’t. It’s stupid and people have bad taste if they like it.

Rap is not hip-hop, as hip-hop is a son of jazz. The true hip-hop sound is independant from the commercial culture and even the emcee. It realy at first had little to do with lyrics and few have truely understood this. They see what is on t.v. or anywhere else in the media and think "this is rap" when infact they are correct! There is a rapper on a hip-hop beat. A rapper is not an emcee or a poet as much as he is a rhymer and when that rapper has no material to draw on but materialism while he is rapping then his music becomes a shallow bi-product of true hip-hop music. He did it for the cash as an undereducated, underapreciated black youth who doesn’t have the money or the time to master instruments and is handicapped by cheap keyboards that make monotonous, hollow drumb loops.

That is NOT hip-hop. If you haven’t heard hip-hop then shame on you. You haven’t heard everything..

WHO BADMOUTHED SLIPKNOT!!??

they are truly gods among all musicians.

*bows*

in the words of eric cartman: WEAK

furthermore, i’m not gonna give an opinion on rap since I know too little of it

It’s just not my style

It’s hated because of closed mindedess, rap is nothing but expression of emotion buut I don’t feel for many modern day rappers they are too focused on "yeah i got money, I got all the honeys". Rap is the more verbal interpretation of blues, you rap about your life or your struggles not a 3 min long bragging session. Before you just bad mouth rap you need to listen to the greats Biggie Smalls, Big Pun or Tupac and it doesn’t hurt to find out about it’s history.

The history of hip hop is totally awesome. I think it might be more intresting than the history of rock.

Strangely both are started by black people, then like most parts of African-American culture, mutated and raped by overuse of white people. Not saying that culture is for one person, but you have to admitthere are soo many doped up wannabe gangsta suburban kids. I honestly don’t care what you listen to, but just changing your entire personality to just fit in is rediculous.

Strangely both are started by black people, then like most parts of African-American culture, mutated and raped by overuse of white people.

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I’m no racist I hate all morons equally.

So self-loathing is the source of your racism?

Ooh zing didn’t see that one coming, but no I am not self loathing and,
I’m no racist I hate all morons equally.

That is NOT hip-hop. If you haven’t heard hip-hop then shame on you. You haven’t heard everything..

I didn’t say anything about hip-hop. I was talking about rap. Where in my earlier post did I say hip-hop?

hip-hop= rap + R&B

hip-hop= rap + R&B

I really don’t care. It’s all a waste of my time and thus a waste of my life.

Just out of curiosity LR, what makes you an authority on rap music. No offense intented. I personally detest rap and this whole "gangsta" bullshit thats become so popular all of a sudden. Another thing that bothers me are all these wiggers popping up everywhere, kids from well off home’s who are stealing, fighting and dealing drugs just to conform to what some idiot like fifty cent says is cool.

fifty cent

Dont even mention that person, he’s just a loser with no life

Just out of curiosity LR, what makes you an authority on rap music. No offense intented. I personally detest rap and this whole "gangsta" bullshit thats become so popular all of a sudden. Another thing that bothers me are all these wiggers popping up everywhere, kids from well off home’s who are stealing, fighting and dealing drugs just to conform to what some idiot like fifty cent says is cool.See that’s exacly what I mean children have been mutated by society rap is nowhere near "gangsta" mentality. Rap is expression of life, you rap to your emotions, it’s poetry with a repetative beat, which is why I said look up hip-hops history, listen to some of the greats, you rap your struggles, your problems, your emotions it’s like I said a verbal interpretation of blues (a more verbal). Nothing really makes me authority of rap but general media will make you think it’s a bunch of gangsta’s that sold crack until they made music. Something you may want to know is that those persona’s are made-up, like "50 cent" lives in Conneticut.

Dont even mention that person, he’s just a loser with no life x2 His source of his fame is being shot 9 times, he doesn’t even rap he sings, it’s just so terrible it’s confused for rap.

See that’s exacly what I mean children have been mutated by society rap is nowhere near "gangsta" mentality. Rap is expression of life, you rap to your emotions, it’s poetry with a repetative beat, which is why I said look up hip-hops history, listen to some of the greats, you rap your struggles, your problems, your emotions it’s like I said a verbal interpretation of blues (a more verbal). Nothing really makes me authority of rap but general media will make you think it’s a bunch of gangsta’s that sold crack until they made music. Something you may want to know is that those persona’s are made-up, like "50 cent" lives in Conneticut.

x2 His source of his fame is being shot 9 times, he doesn’t even rap he sings, it’s just so terrible it’s confused for rap.

All music is art and art is always subject to personal interpertation. Your interperation of rap is "Peotry with a repetitive beat" and mine is repetitive bullshit with a repetitive beat. Modern rap is all "I shot so and so (x) many times, I slept with (x) many sluts and I have (x) many dollars in my bank account". Listen to a few new rap songs and tell me what relevant struggle or problem they symbolize, there are few if any. Its all just a string of profanities used to make a quick buck.

Oh yes I whole-heartedly agree new rappers have just made a 3 min long bragging session, which is sometimes a 3min long lie. Which is why I said listen to the greats, those that rap about their everyday struggles, problems, and emotions. A "real" rapper not just a paper painted "soldier, gangsta, thug" I mean the only modern day rapper I actually like is Kanye West, he will share his life no matter how contriversaily he may word it. The reason you hear all this violent songs is because in the 90’s, or as I like to call it, the "birth of violent rap" they sold like hot cakes, so it’s supply and demand, if you see sex sells, ofcourse you will infringe your product with sex. What people fail to notice is
There is a difference between a gangsta and a rapper, a gangsta is someone who commits crimes for a living, a rapper is someone who talks a lot and gets paid to do it.

i think its the way the music is made, like 50 cent, they all act like they are strong and all but infact 50 cent is a sadact..lol

this thread is mostly just 🙁

Rap music is hated because people don’t get it
…

Rap music is hated because people don’t like things that are different and rarely scratch the surface of the genre.

this may have been said already… but there were like 200 + posts so I wasn’t gonna read through all of it… cuz I’m lazy. 😛

but personally, it’s not that I don’t like all rap,
I just don’t like rap that has bad messages of like, "whoa drugs are cool, look! I got high…" and "do it with every person you can do it with" etc. and stuff… :\

this may have been said already… but there were like 200 + posts so I wasn’t gonna read through all of it… cuz I’m lazy. 😛

but personally, it’s not that I don’t like all rap,
I just don’t like rap that has bad messages of like, "whoa drugs are cool, look! I got high…" and "do it with every person you can do it with" etc. and stuff… :\

hip-hop= rap + R&B

Not true at all, in fact I don’t know what kinda math that is..

I didn’t say anything about hip-hop. I was talking about rap. Where in my earlier post did I say hip-hop?

You know what i’m trying to say. The media and conglomerations labeled Hip-Hop rap once they got wind of it and keyed on the guy "rapping" instead of realising it was music firstly. I don’t care for either label realy and like all kinds of music, as long as it’s good. People out there don’t know, especialy in the states that Hip-Hop is actualy the most innovative form of musicianship in the past 20 years. An African drumb mixed with all other kinds of music available. Sampling started when cats couldn’t afford to learn different instruments. Though limited we crafted a sound that was capable of combining ALL music!

Some rap I find rather great, and high in listening value – like a good deal of the songs Eminem puts out. But a vast majority just turns my stomach with it’s ‘let’s make women out to be ignorant sex slaves!! :D’ content. X.x; Perhaps that’s one of the reasons? o.o;

Hip-Hop is actualy the most innovative form of musicianship in the past 20 years.

rofl

its hated cuz thats all the D.J at our dance will play no matter how many rock songs are requested.

1) Aside from the contriversial pic that kanye west took He is still a damn good rapper. @ AN ava
2)Rap has never made women out to be ignorant sex slaves, if you mean all the objectification of women I may be inclined to agree. Second you can’t lump a genre of music to what some masoginistic cunts smash rhymes together.
3)I fail to see what was so funny Prak I think it’s true not just rap but R&B as well.
4) Honestly rock confuses the hell out of me, it’s just long ass guitar and dru solos then singing about stuff that doesn’t relate to the subject at hand or the title of the song. Now heavy metal, objectifies women farther than any rap I’ve heard.

I was gonna ignore this thread for good, but then LR decided to grace us with his own brand of ignorance again.

Honestly rock confuses the hell out of me, it’s just long ass guitar and dru solos then singing about stuff that doesn’t relate to the subject at hand or the title of the song. Now heavy metal, objectifies women farther than any rap I’ve heard.

Rock is usually done to tell a story and it’s not supposed to sound excatly clear. A little esoteric element is used to spice things up. For example, Bump of Chicken – K talks about a black cat who was rescued and nurtured to health and braved the perils to deliver a final message from his benefactor to his relatives before dying. And he will be remembered as the black knight. If you’ve heard of parables and using similes, then you’ll understand that it almost always follows the subject at hand.

I’ve also listened to THOUSANDS of heavy metal songs and I have yet to hear one song that objectifies woman in any way. Lesee…

Judas Priest – Breakin’ the Law, yeah living a boring life abiding by the law all the time is totally objectifying women. Yeah, symbolism.
Judas Priest – Locked In, because talking about how a man is so shackled in amourous entrapment is so implying that he wants her ass!
Helloween – I’m Alive, yeah talking about how you’re alive totally means how you’re feeling alive by banging hoes, forget about the survival theme and all that, that’s just filler!111
Helloween – I Want Out, because talking about how you disagree about the sophist way of teaching nowadays means that you want to do things your way and tap bitches all day long.
Iron Maiden – Monts???gur, it talks about the evils of a religous crusade and the purification of a town by bloodshed and pillaging. Yeah it totally means to forget about marriage and have lots of menstrual sex, making sure to pillage that ho’s ass afterwards. :smrt:
Iron Maiden – No More Lies, because facing to your destiny and not wanting to fabricate lies to escape that destiny is totally talking about a high school rite of passage to tap that sexiest chick’s ass before the end of semester without trying to lie out of it.

Yeah I so TOTALLY get what you mean!

rofl

Though limited we crafted a sound that was capable of combining ALL music!

4) Honestly rock confuses the hell out of me, it’s just long ass guitar and dru solos then singing about stuff that doesn’t relate to the subject at hand or the title of the song. Now heavy metal, objectifies women farther than any rap I’ve heard.

If thats how you feel about it, I challenge you to post the names of five heavy metal songs that you feel objectify women. I could easily do the same with rap and have a list that encompasses half the industry in about 20 minutes.

rofl

I don’t know how you can say that hip-hop isn’t innovative. It is a completly new genre that made music not like any other music in a pretty much radicaly different way regardless if you like it or not.

that doesn’t mean it’s any good.

It’s about as good as any other genre.

I personally dislike rap. I don’t hate it. I do hate the songs that the stereotypes of rap are based off of, like the whole "shooting/hoes/drugs", etc. But there are some songs that do resemble some kind of music.

I do think it is unfortunate that most people judge it based on the songs that are stereotyped, because there are some good rap songs out there.

Now, freestyle rap is pretty cool. Too bad songs aren’t made from freestyling.

that doesn’t mean it’s any good.

I didn’t say it did.

Now, freestyle rap is pretty cool. Too bad songs aren’t made from freestyling.

Some are. I have compilation cd’s of freestyle and intermixing songs etc.
Dj’s and all that.

ALL[/SIZE] music!

But I am not going to waste my time listening to it. It’s a bad influence, like I said earlier. People often wonder why youths curse alot. It’s from Rap and hip-hop. Anyways, I think people should listen to real music. I know music can relieve stress and make you feel better, but if it’s controversial to people try to listen what they are saying. There is other music out there that’s much better.

Rap. Is it really hated? It has changed and branched to another brand. It is more difficult to defend; and instead of being generally portrayed as a form of self expression, it is now media spread as some kind of EGO symbol. But REAL rap is still loved (if not more loved than ever before) by all.

But I am not going to waste my time listening to it. It’s a bad influence, like I said earlier. People often wonder why youths curse alot. It’s from Rap and hip-hop. Anyways, I think people should listen to real music. I know music can relieve stress and make you feel better, but if it’s controversial to people try to listen what they are saying. There is other music out there that’s much better.

You shouldn’t be stupid enough to be influenced by it in the first place

But I am not going to waste my time listening to it. It’s a bad influence, like I said earlier. People often wonder why youths curse alot. It’s from Rap and hip-hop. Anyways, I think people should listen to real music. I know music can relieve stress and make you feel better, but if it’s controversial to people try to listen what they are saying. There is other music out there that’s much better.Really, because heavy metal never curses, you know Ozzie Ozbourne never curses, and cursing was invented by rap :rolleyes:. Only you can determine what a waste of your time is, but you can’t discern what you do not even give the time of day to, it’s like not paying attention in history and saying the holocaust was a scam. And your perception of music doesn’t make it undeniable fact, music is about self exppression if the music does not express you than you would find it to be non-sense.

Rap. Is it really hated? It has changed and branched to another brand. It is more difficult to defend; and instead of being generally portrayed as a form of self expression, it is now media spread as some kind of EGO symbol. But REAL rap is still loved (if not more loved than ever before) by all.Thank you another one that knows what they are talking about, I mean honestly, all of your perceptions comes from the media and a few random songs you may have heard, know what you are talking before saying it encourages whatever honestly.

You shouldn’t be stupid enough to be influenced by it in the first place

X2 he has a point.

You shouldn’t be stupid enough to be influenced by it in the first place

I am not influenced by it.

Most, if not all genres of music were heavily inveighed by society throughout history at some point. For example, Jazz, Rock. etc. It’s simply a matter of time before Rap, itself, is wholly accepted and recognized.

I am not influenced by it.

Then don’t fucking complain

Then don’t fucking complain

Not complaining either, merely expressing my opinion, which is what you do when someone asks FYI.

im really not into rap for a few reasons, one i dont like focusing on negativity or things that i really dont see have a purpose. Alot of rap now is just about the artists drug dealing history, or there money and materialistic goods, i do like some rap though, but alot of the stuff out just lacks intelligent concepts and is just full of ignorance. I respect artists more for there music, not there reputation.

best example, young jeezy. Deal all the coke you want i have no idea why that would make people think your the shit.

im really not into rap for a few reasons, one i dont like focusing on negativity or things that i really dont see have a purpose. Alot of rap now is just about the artists drug dealing history, or there money and materialistic goods, i do like some rap though, but alot of the stuff out just lacks intelligent concepts and is just full of ignorance. I respect artists more for there music, not there reputation.

best example, young jeezy. Deal all the coke you want i have no idea why that would make people think your the shit.

But it does

im really not into rap for a few reasons, one i dont like focusing on negativity or things that i really dont see have a purpose. Alot of rap now is just about the artists drug dealing history, or there money and materialistic goods, i do like some rap though, but alot of the stuff out just lacks intelligent concepts and is just full of ignorance. I respect artists more for there music, not there reputation.

best example, young jeezy. Deal all the coke you want i have no idea why that would make people think your the shit.

You have to understand the mutation that’s happening on the streets, that inane drivel is now ranking as "the truth", which it really isn’t, if they killed people as much as they talk about it they would have life with no parole. I like the "old school" rap like Tupac, Biggie Smalls, (notice the oxymoron) Puff daddy, Mace, and etc. But now good rappers are slim pickings, it’s people like jay-z, kanye west, common, and some others, that rap about how they went from rags to riches about their problems ad how they are greatful for their fans that supported them.

what gets to me, and its not only rap but also definatly modern rock, is that the messeges barely differ between many different artists. Its like theres no self identity or forms of articulate expression anymore, but it kills me that they act like they do, when its so obvious they just used artists before them as influence to do the exact same thing. Now i know everyone is influenced by other bands, but its like more than ever its clear that each music genre is gnawing on the same bone. People can say rappers only talk about cars woman and money, but listen to alot of the new rock out now. Too many suicidal lyrics, lots of talk about depression and popping pills and how your girlfriend breaking up with you makes you feel lost. Country music is now every male artists songs are all as emotional as possible, in an anology, its like every artists of each genre is only painting with one color, one form of lyrical expression. Nobody wants to really go outside this. I guess people really shouldnt complain about this cause weve shown as contibutors to the sales of many music labels, that we dont want a change, so its like alot of these artists are afraid to go outside this, it could harm there paycheck.

bands like pink floyd, radiohead, Nirvana, rappers like tupac and nas are so respected and loved cause they wernt like that, people could easily detect something special from them, and new it took real talent to do something completely different and make it sound so well, you can tell bands and artists like that do it for self expression, and not for success.

I Hate rap mainly because It Portrays ladies play things.
It also sounds stupid.

There’s plenty of good rap out there, just don’t expect to find it if you want to have it spoonfed to you through the radio or other forms of mass media, cause they won’t.

A lot of today’s more talented rappers go unnoticed by the masses:

Sage Francis (poetic storytelling, nice flow, conscious topics)
Atmosphere (similar to Sage in that Slug has a poetic manner of rapping)
Lupe Fiasco
MetalFace Doom
Immortal Technique (in a way extreme, but he provides a lot of food for thought on the political level)
Copywrite (I like him for his punchlines and wordplay, hella clever)
Rakim (the God MC, enough said)
Canibus (his older works are a good listen, especially stuff on his Rip The Jacker album)
Common (one of those street poet type rappers)
Nas (Illmatic was a badass album)
Talib Kweli/ Mos Def/ BlackStar
Jedi Mind Tricks (started out a bit allegorical in style, but Vinnie Paz has fallen off somewhat. still worth the listen though, as the DJ makes some superb beats)
Army Of The Pharoahs (essentially a bigger version of JMT, with more members and in a way better lyrical content)

the artists above prove that there is much more to rap than degrading women and idiotic topics and the mindless ramblings of a man whose album is worth less than his name.

Roots Manuva, some of the best hip-hop in a long time.

Roots Manuva, some of the best hip-hop in a long time.

I keep hearing this and that about Roots Manuva, but never really got around to checking out any of their/his/her stuff. Any suggestions as to what songs I should check out? Better yet, any links or whatever to mp3s or streaming media?

On a side note, K’naan is also a refreshing name in the rap game.

In addition to what I listed earlier, there is:

Jurassic 5
The Roots
A Tribe Called Quest
The Demigodz
Extended Famm
Tonedeff
Pharoahe Monch
The Cunninlynguists
Brother Ali
Sole
Adeem
Glue (adeem, maker, dj dq)
Pack FM
Chino XL
Cyne
Del The Funky Homosapien
several others…..

Those are pretty awesome lists. Have you listened to P.O.S.?

I keep hearing this and that about Roots Manuva, but never really got around to checking out any of their/his/her stuff. Any suggestions as to what songs I should check out? Better yet, any links or whatever to mp3s or streaming media?

Roots Manuva – Witness the Fitness (called ‘Witness (1 Hope)’ on the album) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE7zMeIxTMU)

It’s kinda hard to find any streaming stuff apart from YouTube, his website seems to be down at the moment. If you like that song and would like to hear albums worth goto www.albumbase.com to find entire albums to download. His best albums are ‘Run Come Save Me’ and ‘Brand New Second Hand’.

I like rap. I believe a lot of people try to garner support from their little psuedo elitist friends by spieling the whole "rap is crap" thing. Rap takes just as much artistic ability to create as any other genre. And not all of it is generalized around drug dealing and disrespecting women. So for anyone to say "I hate rap" obviously does not value music period. Because many lyrics rhyme. Rap or not.

A lot of people I know dislike rap because of a lack of singing…..which gives me the perfect opportunity to bust out The Roots – The Seed V.2
…as well as Tonedeff’s Porcelain and Busta Rhymes’ Been Through The Storm

Speaking of rappers, anyone here catch wind of crazy ass battlers like Iron Solomon and TheSaurus? Dudes are mad brutal on the battling level.

I’m a big fan of rap, I do mostly listen to just rap, but listen to other genres as well, and can agree that a lot of rap nowadays is very samey, just talking about drugs. But, you can find the odd gem of a rapper that is intelligent to listen to and positive as well (ie-not just talking about selling drugs and killing people all the time). My favourite being at the moment Joe Budden, genius on the mic quite frankly, totally talented yet underrated

Why is rap hated? According to the general audience, they’d probably state reasons ranging from the subject matter that is expressed in the majority of the mainstream; money, drugs, material possessions, sex, etc. For the rap enthusiasts? It’s probably boredom. There’s not a lot going on even underground. Styles are repetitive and not many are notching it up. Sure, Supernatural is a freestyle heavyweight delivering hours of madness and Lyrics Born is very fluid in both flow and collection of styles, but the majority sounds like the same old shit with the same old flows and rhyme schemes. If I had to pick one emcee doing anything "different," it would be Kool Keith. He’s going against the grain like usual.

What about Immortal Technique with his extreme political views and modern day issues?

Sage Francis with his satirical rhymes and sarcastic tone as well as his distinctive style of wordplay?

Slug of Atmosphere, the story teller with poetic rhymes?

Lupe Fiasco with his flow reminiscent of Jay-Z’s not to mention his different choice of subject matter? (skating anyone?)

Rakim, the god mc, with his extremely polished up mastery of internal rhymes, multisyllables, etc. all of the fundamentals

Rise with his clever quotables and also unique punchline content.

ChinoXL with his focus on celebrity references in his similes and punches.

Canibus with his unification of philosophy, science, history, religion, etc. as well as his high level vocab in his lyrics.

Nas with his conversational style of rhyming and writing lyrics that tell about the ghetto life.

MF Doom with his countless collabs and tendency to tie in a lot of Adult Swim cartoons nowadays.

the list goes on and on.

What about Immortal Technique with his extreme political views and modern day issues?

Sage Francis with his satirical rhymes and sarcastic tone as well as his distinctive style of wordplay?

Slug of Atmosphere, the story teller with poetic rhymes?

Lupe Fiasco with his flow reminiscent of Jay-Z’s not to mention his different choice of subject matter? (skating anyone?)

Rakim, the god mc, with his extremely polished up mastery of internal rhymes, multisyllables, etc. all of the fundamentals

Rise with his clever quotables and also unique punchline content.

ChinoXL with his focus on celebrity references in his similes and punches.

Canibus with his unification of philosophy, science, history, religion, etc. as well as his high level vocab in his lyrics.

Nas with his conversational style of rhyming and writing lyrics that tell about the ghetto life.

MF Doom with his countless collabs and tendency to tie in a lot of Adult Swim cartoons nowadays.

the list goes on and on.

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People rap because it sounds retarded. It always talks about , money and all that stupid stuff. 🙁

First off, it does not "always" talk about , , and money. I agree its a major part of it, but not all of it. Some people it just like people d rock and roll, hevel metal, and comic books in the past.

and to call an entire genre of music "retarded" is…well…retarded. What genre do you listen to?

Lets take Country (just as an example), and I say that genre is retarded because all it talks about is honkey-tonk crap and everything and cowboy related stuff. IF that was a genre you liked, how would you feel?

This thread is crazy long!

Every genre in has it’s good and bad.

Rock, Noise, Techno, Rap, Bossa Nova, Jazz, Death Metal, R&B, Pop, Grime, Folk, Country, Disco, Bluegrass…(and every other genre on this crazy planet)

Whatever it may be, if you don’t like it, then don’t listen to it…you all have a choice to walk off the dance floor, or turn the channel when MTV plays 50 Cent, or flip past BET, or program your radio to Tejano or whatever the hell floats your boat. But who gives a care, right???? ^_^

I simply think it sound ridiculous. Do I need to elaborate on why? Not really. It doesn’t quite matter how I try to justify my opinion — it boils down to an opinion. So, call me close-minded or ignorant, if you will. That’s also an opinion, and these things tends to be terribly subjective and useless.

I simply think it sound ridiculous. Do I need to elaborate on why? Not really. It doesn’t quite matter how I try to justify my opinion — it boils down to an opinion. So, call me close-minded or ignorant, if you will. That’s also an opinion, and these things tends to be terribly subjective and useless.

For chrissake, don’t even pull the "it’s my opinion" card. The "it’s my opinion" stance is a load of bullshit that just proves that you don’t have the balls to stand up for your own words so you take the method that nobody else can question.

Besides, saying that a certain genre just isn’t your cup of tea is one thing and I’ll respect that, but ignorantly hating on a genre with inaccurate generalizations and assumptions is a different can of worms altogether.

For chrissake, don’t even pull the "it’s my opinion" card. The "it’s my opinion" stance is a load of bullshit that just proves that you don’t have the balls to stand up for your own words so you take the method that nobody else can question.

No, it just means that I am an extremely literal perception whore. 🙂

Besides, saying that a certain genre just isn’t your cup of tea is one thing and I’ll respect that, but ignorantly hating on a genre with inaccurate generalizations and assumptions is a different can of worms altogether.

What generalizations do you speak of?

rap music, i don’t hate, just don’t like it very much, mostly because it’s all about violence, sex, money and drugs and because the artists sang too fast and i can’t understand what they’re singing.

rap music, i don’t hate, just don’t like it very much, mostly because it’s all about violence, sex, money and drugs and because the artists sang too fast and i can’t understand what they’re singing.

If you can’t understand what they are saying how do you know what they are talking about about.

rap music, i don’t hate, just don’t like it very much, mostly because it’s all about violence, sex, money and drugs and because the artists sang too fast and i can’t understand what they’re singing.

I was referring to the other people in the thread
I was speaking of these generalizations

okay, you’re an extremely literal perception whore……that lacks the balls to stand for your own statements. that still doesn’t change the fact "it’s my opinion" is a bitch-move that just allows you to happily dance around anyone who questions your statements.

and I was going to say something else but Hogan beat me to it.

and nope, haven’t heard of P.O.S.

It means rap should die an exruciatingly painful death by surgical removal from Hip Hop. I’m 98.3% sure the great majority of you haven’t heard Hip Hop. This form of rapping and musicianship(yes music, there are instruments in Hip Hop depending on the group, i.e. The Roots) has excelled over any other form of music out there simply because it combines all forms of music creatively and is only limited in possibilities by those who practice the art. I can’t explain enough to you people or convince you of what you are ignorant of but I can say you are missing out on great music under the label of Hip Hop or Rap because of your half shaped opinions and cultural/racial/social views and lack of searching. I will post some links to some great tracks you’ve never heard in your life soon, successfully making some of you aware that Hip Hop is out there and usualy kept secret by the powers that be or those who like it’s exclusiveness. I am one of the latter and won’t go out of my way to convince some cat in Ireland or Rural Alabama to change his views and look where he would ignore, finding gold.

Since nobody seems to have a correct definition of hip hop so far I guess it’s time that I clear things up. Why the hell not, this is probably gonna be the 9872345987th time I’ve done this.

Hip hop isn’t a genre of music, period. Rap is the genre. You can’t compare rap and hip hop simply because it’s a case of apples and oranges. Different things altogether, culture and genre/element.

Hip Hop is an urban culture that can be defined with four main elements, and one recent element that is quickly establishing itself as a fifth element. The main elements of hip hop are as follows:
1. Grafitti artwork/ Tagging
2. Turntable scratching and mixing
3. Breakdancing
4. Rapping
and soon to be 5. Beat boxing

That said.
Rap is a musical genre that exists as one of the four main elements of hip hop. It’s history starts with a man named DJ Koolherc and the Herculites. Rap originally was a form of toasting done over a DJ’s turntable mixes and scratches (I believe the music used was Jamaican reggae, can’t remember too clearly) by the DJ’s hype-man. This was before rap even became a genre in itself. Eventually, rap began picking up popularity and as time passed it became its own little music genre as the DJ’s hype-men began getting more and more recognition.

I had more room to go in-depth on the topic here: http://www.fictionpress.com/s/1812867/1/

Mind you, there are still some format kinks and editting problems to work out as I haven’t touched upon that project in such a long time.

I was referring to the other people in the thread
I was speaking of these generalizations

okay, you’re an extremely literal perception whore……that lacks the balls to stand for your own statements. that still doesn’t change the fact "it’s my opinion" is a bitch-move that just allows you to happily dance around anyone who questions your statements.

and I was going to say something else but Hogan beat me to it.

and nope, haven’t heard of P.O.S.

I think you rely on ad hominem too much to defend your opinion. Do you honestly feel that threatened?

Cuntry "music" is WORSE than Rap "music"…….but both suck reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad!

Cuntry "music" is WORSE than Rap "music"…….but both suck reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad!

Details and specifics.

None needed…just take a listen and you’ll learn why.

In other words, you’re a moron who can’t back up his own retarded opinions? If you don’t justify posts like that, it’s exactly how you’ll be viewed by the rest of the community.

None needed…just take a listen and you’ll learn why.

My predilections or anyone else’s could differenciate from yours. So, in order to convince us otherwise, you ought to fortify your basis for an argument by pinpointing the antecedent/s of why it’s horrible. Your previous statement was just vague, that’s all.

In other words, you’re a moron who can’t back up his own retarded opinions?

Logical fallacy: argumentum ad hominem. A personal attack reflects poorly on your point, which is already non-existent.

If you don’t justify posts like that, it’s exactly how you’ll be viewed by the rest of the community.

Logical fallacy: argumentum ad populum. Don’t simply allege that the whole community feels this way — demonstrate it. Otherwise, you have no argument.

I don’t feel threatened, I just think it’s stupid and cowardly to choose the method that allows you immunity from questioning.

I was referring to the other people in the thread
I was speaking of these generalizations

okay, you’re an extremely literal perception whore……that lacks the balls to stand for your own statements. that still doesn’t change the fact "it’s my opinion" is a bitch-move that just allows you to happily dance around anyone who questions your statements.

and I was going to say something else but Hogan beat me to it.

and nope, haven’t heard of P.O.S.

Be careful not to extrapolate a person’s characteristic, just from one incident.

The question isn’t: why is rap hated? It’s: why are the makers of rap hated? and I think that’s abvious.

Cuntry "music" is WORSE than Rap "music"…….but both suck reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad!

Funniest error ever.

Second Music, like most art, depends on taste and well intelligence too that subject really. So saying they reallly suck is like, saying cheese is reallly bad. No real arguement just a cry for attention, I don’t know whether you are another atention whore or just a lackwit, but please post I’ve been struggling to log on regularly with my busy schedule. Lol at your funny little quotation marks around music, how can a gnre that has dominated music sales be questionable as to whether it is music? You can’t base your perception of a genre around the media and a few ranndom ssongs that yoou hear on the radio.

Be careful not to extrapolate a person’s characteristic, just from one incident.

Grendel’s words, not mine.

Logical fallacy: argumentum ad hominem. A personal attack reflects poorly on your point, which is already non-existent.

Logical fallacy: argumentum ad populum. Don’t simply allege that the whole community feels this way — demonstrate it. Otherwise, you have no argument.

Haha, I’m getting challenged by another noob. You guys should really spread the love around instead of focusing so much on me. Not that I’m not flattered, of course.

You seem to have failed to grasp the point I was making. I was not making a direct personal attack; rather, I was letting the idiot determine for himself if it was an attack by offering the chance to back up his statement. That is my trademark method of fishing for either reasonable elaboration or a new plaything.

As for the community, I think it’s safe to say that someone who is infinitely more familiar with it than you are is qualified to make such a generalization without being challenged by someone who obviously doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. If you want to know if I’m wrong about the feelings of the community at large, ask them yourself instead of implying that someone who knows a hell of a lot more about it than you is wrong.

I simply think it sound ridiculous. Do I need to elaborate on why?

If you’re going to bother participating in a discussion of why it is not liked, then you should.

So, call me close-minded or ignorant, if you will. That’s also an opinion, and these things tends to be terribly subjective and useless.

Close-mindedness and ignorance aren’t matters of opinion. If you aren’t aware of something you aren’t aware of it making you ignorant no matter what your opinions or anyone elses are. Closemindedness is similar. How much you like being those things is a matter of opinion. It is my opinion that you like it a lot!

Hip Hop is an urban culture that can be defined with four main elements, and one recent element that is quickly establishing itself as a fifth element. The main elements of hip hop are as follows:
1. Grafitti artwork/ Tagging
2. Turntable scratching and mixing
3. Breakdancing
4. Rapping
and soon to be 5. Beat boxing

??? Why isn’t beat boxing already be a part of the group and why are you calling it "some recent thing"? You sound like some weird hip hop theorist from 1980 who travelled into the future just to post in this topic.

The question isn’t: why is rap hated? It’s: why are the makers of rap hated? and I think that’s abvious.

What the utter fuck?! Is this a spam account or a bot? Or perchance is it a retard in the last throes of some obscure brain-eating disease?

If you’re going to bother participating in a discussion of why it is not liked, then you should.

Close-mindedness and ignorance aren’t matters of opinion. If you aren’t aware of something you aren’t aware of it making you ignorant no matter what your opinions or anyone elses are. Closemindedness is similar. How much you like being those things is a matter of opinion. It is my opinion that you like it a lot!

??? Why isn’t beat boxing already be a part of the group and why are you calling it "some recent thing"? You sound like some weird hip hop theorist from 1980 who travelled into the future just to post in this topic.

I say recently since over the span of the last few years, beatboxing’s popularity began increasing drastically. Before then it was popular to an extent yes, but not enough to make it a distinguishable element of hip hop culture.

Hi you are wrong and maybe young. Beat boxing has been around from the beginning and more than a few early rappers(like Doug E. Fresh, the Fat Boys, Biz Markie) were known for it. When people would gather to freestyle there would always be someone ready to make a beat. There’s honestly no reason to look at it as some thing just catching on now. If there is some recent increase in popularity then its more of a revival of interest in something that had always been there which everyone already knew about. I would have guessed that you’re less likely to hear it in mainstream music now than you would have 2 decades ago, but who knows(certainly not me as I don’t listen to much hip hop anymore).

I already made my point. I don’t like Rap, and never will. All I can say is deal with it.

No one is actually concerned with whether you like rap. That’s why all of the responses to your post mostly focused on how awkward and needlessly defensive it was. Perhaps you are simply an awkward and needlessly defensive person though, and I guess everyone will have to deal with that. Probably with jokes.

Hi you are wrong and maybe young. Beat boxing has been around from the beginning and more than a few early rappers(like Doug E. Fresh, the Fat Boys, Biz Markie) were known for it. When people would gather to freestyle there would always be someone ready to make a beat. There’s honestly no reason to look at it as some thing just catching on now. If there is some recent increase in popularity then its more of a revival of interest in something that had always been there which everyone already knew about. I would have guessed that you’re less likely to hear it in mainstream music now than you would have 2 decades ago, but who knows(certainly not me as I don’t listen to much hip hop anymore).

You misunderstood me.

I know that beat boxing has been around since the beginning. I’m saying that in the earlier days it wasn’t quite as popular as it is right now. Beat boxing was always there as a part of freestyle cyphers but it never really existed as a standalone element in itself. It used to be more of something that occurred in conjunction with rapping, rather than just beat boxing alone. The introduction of beat boxing on a competitive level has helped it gain popularity and develop a much larger following as well as grow increasingly intricate as an artform.

alright. I doubt its more popular now(especially as a specialized individual competetive thing). I would guess that’s a case of an interest in small gains making them seem larger(the competetive community is growing, while the general interest is still lower or something). I’m just throwing stuff out there as its not like I collect stats or anything, but the people I know who are into hip hop mostly just know of Rahzel if anyone at all, which is different from how it felt like an almost ubiquitous element at one point. But really I’m not interested in how hip hop is categorized, I was mostly just thrown off by your calling beatboxing a recent thing without elaboration. But since you mean that in the sense of it gaining an individual identity over time I guess it’s fine. However when I questioned you at first you just said that it was getting more popular recently and was not so popular in the past.

It was somewhat popular in the past, but not as popular as it is right now. In the past, beat boxing was considered as more of a sub-element that went under the category of rapping. I’m trying to say that it didn’t have as much of an individual identity back then as it does now.

The introduction of competitive beat boxing has made the skill much more elaborate in technique and much more developed overall. Not to mention other minor factors, take for example the movie 8 Mile which introduced a side of rap that was at the time still unfamiliar to a large portion of the general public. (freestyle cyphers, battling, beatboxing, etc.)

Funniest error ever.

That was NO error.

If you can’t understand what they are saying how do you know what they are talking about about.

*Sticks a fork in the topic* Its done.

Hip hop music, also referred to as rap or rap music, is a style of popular music which came into existence in the United States during the mid-1970s, and became a large part of modern pop culture during the 1980s. It consists of two main components: rapping (MCing) and DJing (audio mixing and scratching). Along with hip hop dance (notably breakdancing) and urban inspired art, or notably graffiti, these compose the four elements of hip hop, a cultural movement that was initiated by inner-city youth, mostly African Americans in New York City, in the early 1970s. In 2006, rap musicwas the most popular form of music in the United States

Typically, hip hop music consists of intensely rhythmic lyrical form making abundant use of techniques like assonance, alliteration, and rhyme. The rapper is accompanied by an instrumental track, usually referred to as a "beat", performed by a DJ, created by a producer, or one or more instrumentalists. This beat is often created using a sample of the percussion break of another song, usually a funk or soul recording. In addition to the beat other sounds are often sampled, synthesized, or performed. Sometimes a track can be instrumental, as a showcase of the skills of the DJ or producer.

Whether you like it or not, Rap IS a style of music. But if you want to remain in denial, that’s ok too! =D

There are many different types of rap songs. I stray away from the ones that are too cliche, but there are really talented rappers out there that deserve more credit than people give them. And the ones that are on MTV and BET are superexploited. I believe they make fun of that in The BOONDOCKS. The composer/artist of the theme for the Boondocks was actually criticized because his "songs" were not cliche. >_> I find that completely stupid, but anyway, I listen to ALL kinds of music, depending on if I like the beat.

And by the way, the opening theme to SAMURAI CHAMPLOO is a RAP song, And I will forever love it.

Whether you like it or not, Rap IS a style of music. But if you want to remain in denial, that’s ok too! =D

There are many different types of rap songs. I stray away from the ones that are too cliche, but there are really talented rappers out there that deserve more credit than people give them. And the ones that are on MTV and BET are superexploited. I believe they make fun of that in The BOONDOCKS. The composer/artist of the theme for the Boondocks was actually criticized because his "songs" were not cliche. >_> I find that completely stupid, but anyway, I listen to ALL kinds of music, depending on if I like the beat.

And by the way, the opening theme to SAMURAI CHAMPLOO is a RAP song, And I will forever love it.

Speaking of which, do you know the name of the SC opening theme song?

Speaking of which, do you know the name of the SC opening theme song?

It’s called Battlecry. I believe it’s available for download too. =D

I use to listen to gangster rap ALL the time then I notice how much bullshit they talk all they preach is sin. Now I only listen to immortal technique the only guy that raps some sense and TRUTH

Well, personally there’s various kinds of rap that annoy me:

1.) The kind that is remade from a kiddie song like ‘Do you ears hang low’ or ‘eenie meenie miney mo’.

2.) The kind that goes on like a shopping list for idiots who want to go bankrupt ex. most songs by Cash Money Millionaires.

3.) Song about strippers taking it off because they love them so much that they will KO them and put them in the trunk.

I just think that people hate any type of music that insults their intellegence. Not just rap but I’ll pick on this genre anyway.

Well, personally there’s various kinds of rap that annoy me:

1.) The kind that is remade from a kiddie song like ‘Do you ears hang low’ or ‘eenie meenie miney mo’.

2.) The kind that goes on like a shopping list for idiots who want to go bankrupt ex. most songs by Cash Money Millionaires.

3.) Song about strippers taking it off because they love them so much that they will KO them and put them in the trunk.

I just think that people hate any type of music that insults their intellegence. Not just rap but I’ll pick on this genre anyway.

Intelligence? I just thought it was a stereotype thing.

@_@; this topic just seems to reek of music prejudice.

I hate rap music because they (rap "artists") abandoned the guitar.

And because most rap songs consist of shouting or talking as opposed to actually singing.

But, given that, I can’t stand most Rock music, either.

Even so, I can stand to listen to rap a lot sooner than I can listen to any of that shit country music.

im guessing you hate music

doesnt have to consist of all that sterotype stuff.There just arent many good rap artists today

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I second that, Black Paladin.

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i don’t like them beacause thay always wear those ugly chains and stuff,they look like neandertals…

You are all retarded. There is bad music in every genre and good music in every genre. There are a shit load of rap artists/groups out there that have amazing lyrics, beats, and compositions. Listen to some MF Doom, Deltron 3030, Doctor Octagon, Wu Tang’s first album, Gza, Rza, Common, Peanut Butter Wolf, etc…

I listen to rap but mostly old school/classic. I despise the new hip-hop/rap nowadays such as crunk, Mike Jones, Fiddy cent, and a few others. They’re garbage. Lyrics are so washed out and their style just give me a headache. They say the same shit over and over. Always talk about, bitches, hoes, cars, money and shit that in real life I don’t think they even own. I’m not bashing the genre because I’m a fan of it myself. Tupac was the reason I got into liking hip-hop/rap. Why I like his music was because he doesn’t just rap about bitches, hoes and other shit. But also rap about his personal life and his childhood raised up in the ghetto. That’s why during his time and now, his image is still solid in the genre. Nowadays, we rarely see that kind of style in the hip-hop industry anymore. Most of the times all we hear is some old-ass-washed-up lyrics, shit that’s already been done many times in the past. "I’m Mike Jones!! WHO???MIKE JONES!!I’m MIKE JONES!!". But yeah, particularly I listen to almost anything (except country). I even listen to piano XD, but mostly during my time of doing art work.

You are all retarded. There is bad music in every genre and good music in every genre. There are a shit load of rap artists/groups out there that have amazing lyrics, beats, and compositions. Listen to some MF Doom, Deltron 3030, Doctor Octagon, Wu Tang’s first album, Gza, Rza, Common, Peanut Butter Wolf, etc…
Yeah, I listen to a few of those. Especially Common, I like his lyrics. He talks about love and all that without using much of profanity.

You are all retarded. There is bad music in every genre and good music in every genre. There are a shit load of rap artists/groups out there that have amazing lyrics, beats, and compositions. Listen to some MF Doom, Deltron 3030, Doctor Octagon, Wu Tang’s first album, Gza, Rza, Common, Peanut Butter Wolf, etc…
Couldn’t have said better myself. I do not listen to Rap, but much of the music I do listen to have clear influences from Rap.

I found this cd lying on the street (no joke), and it’s called

"Body Count"

And well, this is rap I quite like. =) Just kinda like Cypress Hill, it’s rapmetal, and in this case, it’s a project run by Ice-T O: Amazing what you can find lying around!

Vanilla Ice released a bunch of Rap Metal albums in the 90’s. He’s a clear example of how bad music can be — more to do with him, than music though. I’m not throwing this around just for the sake of it, but even the album covers were cheesy as hell.

when you really stop to think about it, for as much shit as vanilla ice gets, he’s actually almost better than some of the shit-hop that’s selling like crazy today.

I listen to a lot good rap, almost all of it stuff that’s not on the radio. To me, good rap is fluid poetry, even in vulgarity there’s something beautiful about it.

-Leah.

Well i love rap, but i’m talking about real rap, not that new hip hop genre about GLINGGLING and girls, im talking about old school rap, GANGSTA RAP, not everybody love theirs lyric, but in old school rap, it was their way to express themselves about what they were living or what they could see around them, now its only commercial rap, like 50 cent or his G-unit.

NOTABLE RAP SONGS you should try to listen&#168;

-SHOOK ONES PART 2 From mobb deep back in 1995, my favorite song off all time, MObb deep is my favorite group they were good, until they joined G-UNIT and 50, but hey, even if they joined them, they song better then them but changed a lot their style, leaving me 🙁 , but they slowly coming back to ROOTS, juste listen to the two new prodigy clips from is next mixtape, New york shit and Mach 10 handle , The INFAMOUS album Hell On Earth, Murda music, all these are their albums that will always remain in history.

about WUTANG, one thing to say
Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M
listen to this song! (also, try CAN IT BE THAT IT WAS ALL SO SIMPLE)

Raekwon
What did you believe in? heaven or hell? you dont believe in heaven cos we livin in Hell!
(Heaven & Hell song)

Nas is also a real poet, he his, about lyrics, The Tupac of East Coast
try listening THE MESSAGE, or I KNOW I CAN

Eminem also have real good song, but in his first albums, when he was expressing himself about his life

TUPAC , DRE, ICE are all damn good Rappers and will always remain known.

well personnaly i listen to East Coast rap, but i also love west coast and south..

There is also Outkast

Oh, so you like the people that made rap shit in the first place.

Rap is too repetitive, thus it gets boring fast. Really, really fast. And.. where’s the singing? You can talk fast. Go you. I’ve stuttered since I was born and I’m not impressed 😛

I can’t stand rap because most mainstream rap artists label women as “bitches,” “hoes,” or simple objects stick their dick in to. I can’t respect any guy that refers to a woman like that. They throw women around like they’re some goddamn, store bought item. And, not to bash just one side but, shame on the women for putting up with their shit.

At least Rock has variety. The guys behind the mic are singing about love, or some sort of feeling, a bad day at work, or even school-life, and they’re always changing it up. (Notice I didn’t say ’emo’ where they seldom change moods). Rap is mainly the same thing every song; “I fuck bitches, slap ‘dem hoes, and get what I want.” End song. I can vouch for this because I had a (very) black room mate one semester that loved to blast rap every day. Every. Fucking. Day. -_-;; I gave rap a shot for the first few weeks, but quickly found myself bleeding out of my ears as my brain would constantly fight my ear drums to go deaf. (Then I just stayed out of my room most of the time to remedy that).

Nowadays when I hold the door open for a girl, often times I’m look at funny, and when I seat a girl on a date, I’m asked if I have ulterior motives. What the fuck ever happened to cherishing honor, valor, and honesty? Rap is the exact opposite of that, therefore I despise it. I see rap as derogatory; plain and simple. And as a teacher, I don’t want to have my kids anywhere near that garbage.

It all comes down to one thing—who has the most. Be it women (or “bitches,” “hoes,” or whatever bullshit name they call females), money, power, drugs, homeboys to back them up, those god-awful platinum teeth, and enough bling hanging off of them to make King Tut jealous.

Call me old fashioned all you like, but I say rap is degenerative.

I’m no fan of today’s hardcore rock either, because, like rap, you can’t understand what they’re singing, and it’s mostly hatred-induced as well… Although I don’t like country, I respect it because (a) they SING, and (b) you can swing dance to country (and I love to swing dance).

PS–I’m not raciest. I just hate idiots, be them black, blue, or white.

well put.

The reason why mainstram rap (As in Chamiilionaire, 36 Mafia, etc) focuses on talking about bitches and gold and all, is beacuse thats what the majority of fans want, plus due to lack of unique creativity.

However, there are some rappers that actually have good songs and talent (K-Os, The Roots, GRITS (used to anyway), Atmosphere, FORCES OF NATURE, etc…)

Oh, and GT_Stevo, the reason why everyone looks at you funny everytime you try to do somthing honorable, is because nowadays, NOTHING is considered honorable. Everyone nowadays is automatically considered suspect.

i dnt like rap anyway…if maybe some songs…..
actually im not listening rap at all….
im not sure is it really hated…but who knows…

Well oki lets just say that rap doesn’t existe really anymore, im not considering today’s hip hop as rap, your right today’s &#171;rap&#187; is degenerative and unrespect, that’s why i love old school rap, juste listen to Nas, most of his songs are interesting, and why i love old school rap? because even if they are talking about drugs and some thing like that, they were expressing themselves. Thats true somethime their language is not acceptable (oki… a lot of time) and lets make a difference, listen to a old rap song (like 1990 to 1995) and i can affirm that talking so horribly about the women wasn’t present, I even know a song that, even using their kind of language, express very good things about women. But hell, everything is past now, today’s &#171;rap&#187; is nothing else than clich&#233; and platinum teeths like you said.

listen to these old classics, I choose them carefully, don’t worry.
Nas I can, just listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keWX5DHlQdQ

This one is a well known rap song, but hey i know everybody here dont like rap, so if you dont like don’t even click, dont worry no horribles things about women, i agree with you these kinds of songs about women are totally disrepect about the most wonderful creature of the universe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puL_fdWPhNE

A real old school rap RUN DMC, in the 80’s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3JDvUkUjRQ

anyway it’s difficult to explain my feelings about something that doesn’t really exist anymore. Well gotta go listen some metallica (old metallica) i need to listen to THE unforgiven, just like to hear the guitar solo. By the way, anyone here ever tried climbing? im talking about the sport, if some are praticing or wanna try, it might be fun to start a topic and talk about it to share our experience.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climbing

Oh, and GT_Stevo, the reason why everyone looks at you funny everytime you try to do somthing honorable, is because nowadays, NOTHING is considered honorable. Everyone nowadays is automatically considered suspect.

Yeah.. I know. I understand that ‘trust’ and ‘first impressions’ go a long way with all people, I just hate that something good is, not frowned upon by everyone, but has become a characteristic of shady people nowadays… >_>

And I really don’t hate all rap necessarily, it’s the mainstream ‘bitches and hoes’ stuff that I want to take to a firing squad. If Black Eyed Peas and other related stuff is considered rap, then I’ll openly say that I like some rap. Unfortunately, just not all rap. ^_^

anyway it’s difficult to explain my feelings about something that doesn’t really exist anymore.

I checked out the links you posted and was moved, but I still am not impressed with rap as a whole.

And I think I know what you mean. (Or, at least I think I do…) Old school rappers had more feeling in their beats. However, the modern day guys just produce record label jargon to buy themselves more shit.. "shit they don’t need" (listen to Tyler Durden’s monologue in ‘Fight Club’).

Oh, and it’s funny you should mention climbing on here… One of the first posts on this topic, the guy references climbing to rap some manner. Heh. Go figure…

Rap is too repetitive, thus it gets boring fast. Really, really fast. And.. where’s the singing? You can talk fast. Go you. I’ve stuttered since I was born and I’m not impressed 😛

I can’t stand rap because most mainstream rap artists label women as “bitches,” “hoes,” or simple objects stick their dick in to. I can’t respect any guy that refers to a woman like that. They throw women around like they’re some goddamn, store bought item. And, not to bash just one side but, shame on the women for putting up with their shit.

At least Rock has variety. The guys behind the mic are singing about love, or some sort of feeling, a bad day at work, or even school-life, and they’re always changing it up. (Notice I didn’t say ’emo’ where they seldom change moods). Rap is mainly the same thing every song; “I fuck bitches, slap ‘dem hoes, and get what I want.” End song. I can vouch for this because I had a (very) black roommate one semester that loved to blast rap every day. Every. Fucking. Day. -_-;; I gave rap a shot for the first few weeks, but quickly found myself bleeding out of my ears as my brain would constantly fight my ear drums to go deaf. (Then I just stayed out of my room most of the time to remedy that).

Nowadays when I hold the door open for a girl, often times I’m looked at funny, and when I seat a girl on a date, I’m asked if I have ulterior motives. What the fuck ever happened to cherishing honor, valor, and honesty? Rap is the exact opposite of that, therefore I despise it. I see rap as derogatory; plain and simple. And as a teacher, I don’t want to have my kids anywhere near that garbage.

It all comes down to one thing—who has the most. Be it women (or “bitches,” “hoes,” or whatever bullshit name they call females), money, power, drugs, homeboys to back them up, those god-awful platinum teeth, and enough bling hanging off of them to make King Tut jealous.

Call me old fashioned all you like, but I say rap is degenerative.

I’m no fan of today’s hardcore rock either, because, like rap, you can’t understand what they’re singing, and it’s mostly hatred-induced as well… Although I don’t like country, I respect it because (a) they SING, and (b) you can swing dance to country (and I love to swing dance).

PS–I’m not raciest. I just hate idiots, be them black, blue, or white.Well if you think you could do better try, I mean you don’t think they have talent put a album out in the summer.

You’re an imbecile, but not in a bad way you generalize because you are narrow-minded, you crucify rap for the entire media. You act like you don’t hear that terminology in, movies, everyday life, heck HBO is far worse but you seem to pinpoint rap as the only source with objectionable behavior.

Are you serious? rap is anything but repetitive, you just listen to dickheads, and I doubt you listened to an entire album, If yoou single out songs or artists you end up with a narrowly analyzed perception. I can listen to one heavy metal rock bands and analyze that all heavy metal artist are depressed death seekers.

Umm you are aware that a lot of these rappers have wives and children, and don’t just go "fuckin dirty ho’s". You really need to learnto differenciate fact and fiction, all rappers are doing is selling stories.

Why single out rap heck modern life is degenerative, wh not become amish?

Trust me you are nowhere near racist, you’d need to know what you are talking about to be racist.

haha I didn’t even saw the climbing rock part of the first post! Well, rap is an old story, like nas said, Hip Hop Is Dead (his new album) even if it’s not his best album, he is one of the few veterans who keep is roots to rap, not &#171;hip hop glinggling bitch&#187; style. Raekwon do the same, my favorite group, Mobb Deep, succumbed to the evil power of money, tho i can understand because through their whole carreer they had difficulties to get the money they deserved (i do not mean he only get 10 millions instead of 15millions… i mean they had problems with the label they were withs, had financial problems with the labels they created, but hey they are still my favorite) When 50 cent and his crew offered a good contract they accepted, but hey they lost their real rap and their last album was very dissapointing, falling as down as the &#171;glinggling bitch&#187; style. Just make a comparison from the reviews people give to their INFAMOUS album (i consider the best) and their last one, you will see a big diffence in the reviews. But im happy, because they are coming back to roots slowly but surely, their new songs sound more like they were in the past and I’m waiting for their next albums (group or solo, prodigy is one of a good rapper) with real hopes. I also hear that Wu-Tang will make a come back, i wonder how it will be without ODB, a real talented rapper, RIP ODB. Another thing is realised is that most of veterans rappers weren’t millionaire in the 90’s, today, most of new rappers are ruled by money like you said. 50cent is millionnaire, but his music doesn’t even deserve the price of his name.

Yeah, old school rappers, the veterans, had more feelings in their beats, not today

Well im maybe wrong, but we can compare veterans rappers and new rappers the same way in pop music, as we can compare Madonna and Britney Spears, well correct me if i’m wrong, but Madonna is talented, when she began singing, the critics were against her, but she continued his work and now she is well know and i consider her having talent. Britney, on another side, just get a school uniform telling &#171;hit me baby one more time&#187; (Is she not showing a bad image of women in this song and clip, correct me again if i’m wrong) And she get popular and millionnaire, but hey, i don’t want to say anything but… is it talent???

anyway here is a little clip, my favorite song, the beat is awesome and the lyric are impressive (they are worked, they are thought, that’s a real song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS2TY9X3okQ

here, is a rap song talking about love, don’t miss it, It’s rap, and just listen to the lyrics… wonderful. Mobb deep again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWogLFKEu3M

Here is another rapper, he was 14 when he sang this sont back in 94 or 95, he is a real talented writer, he is also known to write very good lyrics, very thoughts and worked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq9R7IySpY4

Tupac-Change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZRhmiLmeA

Tupac- Dear mama (just listen its very emotional like someone said in the comments.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAETOZAsGQc

Wu-Tang… C.R.E.A.M (The classic, it’s awesome!!!!!!!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxCkoQW1vMA

Eminem-Cleaning out my closet(true story, sad story 🙁 emotional)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jTVgoqfOhc

Eminem-When i’m gone (He love his daughter, don’t tell me he’s not!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oWCQR-BlvE

OH!! and, don’t try this at home…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP2ix_Xs2N0

(Tupac) Dear Mama – Classic track =).

Yeah, and many other tracks, all classics

If you like Dance Dance Revolution and Rap, check out:

Drop The Bomb and Super Star and their remixes.

I cringe when I listen to this ‘music’. Can it even be classified as music? No.

>_> Yes it can, you fucking ignoramus.

>_> Yes it can, you fucking ignoranus.
x2

x3

as i’ve ventured through the internet and its many fora, it has come to my attention that witch hunts on rap are common because it is really easy to reuse arguments other people have used before you, ignoring the counter arguments provided somewhere else in the thread, and then getting a feeling of accomplishment through judgements based on limited exposure.

i hate the sun because sometimes it is hot. i think i’ll stay inside forever just because of this.

I cringe when I listen to this ‘music’. Can it even be classified as music? No.

It can be classified as music as much as tribal chanting is considered music. Music is just about anything with a beat. However, I wouldn’t consider it as singing necessarily.

It can be classified as music as much as tribal chanting is considered music. Music is just about anything with a beat. However, I wouldn’t consider it as singing necessarily.

Hey butt-lick, is one of the forms of music with the best beats. Just because you lack rhythm doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Also maybe you should add water to that shallow pool, so to your standards classical music isn’t music? Way to lose all musical credibility.

Hey butt-lick, is one of the forms of music with the best beats. Just because you lack rhythm doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Also maybe you should add water to that shallow pool, so to your standards classical music isn’t music? Way to lose all musical credibility.

Your reading comprehension skills seem lacking. Also, I’m sure it’s just because you accidentally omitted a word, but your first sentence makes no sense.

Hey butt-lick, is one of the forms of music with the best beats. Just because you lack rhythm doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Also maybe you should add water to that shallow pool, so to your standards classical music isn’t music? Way to lose all musical credibility.

Great job on the hypocrisy. (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=716568&postcount=201)

Umm you can try to reword into as many shapes as you’d like but the fact is you’re a common bully, actually no you’re an eBully. So you think being in a place called FFS entitles you, to a demeanor as a pack of theives. This is just like Lord of the Flies lack of authority has brought out the violent imbecile in you, except because it’s FFS you think it’s justified and you are relinquished of being a value to society. What good could possibly come of what you are doing, would you like my lunch money as well?

LOL!! Before you allowed me to catch my breath from your last post, you post again and show how narrow-minded you are. You seem to only focus on how “imbecilic” I am and proceed on insulting me before comprehending what I’m saying. You shoot me down by saying that I lack rhythm when I didn’t post anything about rhythm. If you’d wash the fried chicken grease from your eyes and look more closely, you’ll see that didn’t bash rap, but gave it credit for being music. I did say, however, that I rap isn’t singing. You’re trying to argue apples with oranges here and it’s making you look all the more half-witted. Now, if you want to bash me on that, go for it, but since you’re lacking in comprehension, I’ll spell some things out to you slowly.

You’re an imbecile, but not in a bad way you generalize because you are narrow-minded, you crucify rap for the entire media. You act like you don’t hear that terminology in, movies, everyday life, heck HBO is far worse but you seem to pinpoint rap as the only source with objectionable behavior. Trust me you are nowhere near racist, you’d need to know what you are talking about to be racist.
(On a side note, not a lot of people have HBO…)

I suppose I should thank you for inadvertently complimenting me, seeing how I’ve been called far worse on topics much lighter. Since this is a topic on rap, I thought I’d stick to the main subject instead of deviating. I’m well aware that rap is not the only influence; I’m merely stating that it’s one of the bigger ones because it’s in the media so much. If you reflect on it, songs inspire people to do things. For instance, before the ‘big game’ or a fight in the ring, athletes get pumped up by listening to a song. Ergo, that song influences them to get out there and kick some ass. Songs have that power over people. From what I’ve found over the years, the media has a LOT of influence over people (obviously). There’s plenty of blame to go around for why American society is in the crap-state that it’s in, be it improper upbringing, lack of parental unit/s, general bad luck (wrong place-wrong time), etc. If I were to continue, I’d write a narrative, and nobody likes reading those posts…

Are you serious? rap is anything but repetitive, you just listen to dickheads, and I doubt you listened to an entire album, If you single out songs or artists you end up with a narrowly analyzed perception. I can listen to one heavy metal rock bands and analyze that all heavy metal artist are depressed death seekers.

But why lie? A lot of rocker’s are. I won’t deny that. Just like in that move “School of Rock,” Jack Black explains that, to really sing a heavy rock song, you have to really hate something. A lot of heavy rocker’s really hate the government, life, or someone, and end up barfing into the microphone (with some pretty cool guitar riffs and mad drum rhythms) and somehow sell a million CDs. And, I was referring to the rhythm in rap being repetitive, not the lyrics, or whatever you misinterpreted.

Umm you are aware that a lot of these rappers have wives and children, and don’t just go "fuckin dirty ho’s". You really need to learnto differenciate fact and fiction, all rappers are doing is selling stories.

Umm, are you aware that a lot of the ones that are displayed through the media that have wives and children still include the stated above material in their songs and music videos?
And yes, they are selling stories. Unfortunately, a lot of behaviors I don’t agree with are in the popular ones that are selling.

As far as being an imbecile or raciest; first of all, racists don’t know what they’re talking about and blame people for ridiculous, stereotyped (and sometimes completely ridiculous, un-stereotyped) stuff.
"Gas prices have gone up. Let’s blame those Iraqis."
"It’s the nigger’s fault that the streets are more violent."

That, I know, is utter bullshit. The government regulates gas prices and the streets are more violent because, in a nut-shell, people are idiots (once again, this is a very deep ,and broad, topic that requires much more typing that I won’t get in to at the moment).

Hey butt-lick, it’s one of the forms of music with the best beats. Just because you lack rhythm doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Also maybe you should add water to that shallow pool, so to your standards classical music isn’t music? Way to lose all musical credibility.

Way to lose all credibility in yourself.. butt-lick. I see insults with no real direction, and an opinion bashing my opinion in what rocks and doesn’t rock. So.. what exactly are you babbling about? I included that I like some off-brand genres of rap a few posts up and still, you throw monkey poo in my face. So, be honest with me here, what is it about me that you don’t like? It’s clear that it’s not just my lame taste in music that’s making you shit a brick every time you visit this post. o_O

raps hated because it sucks.

Great job on the hypocrisy. (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showpost.php?p=716568&postcount=201)
Well ok, I can admit when I’ve lost my temper.

LOL!! Before you allowed me to catch my breath from your last post, you post again and show how narrow-minded you are. You seem to only focus on how ???imbecilic??? I am and proceed on insulting me before comprehending what I???m saying. You shoot me down by saying that I lack rhythm when I didn???t post anything about rhythm. If you???d wash the fried chicken grease from your eyes and look more closely, you???ll see that I didn???t bash rap, but gave it credit for being music. I did say, however, that I rap isn???t singing. You???re trying to argue apples with oranges here and it???s making you look all the more half-witted. Now, if you want to bash me on that, go for it, but since you???re lacking in comprehension, I???ll spell some things out to you slowly.

(On a side note, not a lot of people have HBO…)

I suppose I should thank you for inadvertently complimenting me, seeing how I???ve been called far worse on topics much lighter. Since this is a topic on rap, I thought I’d stick to the main subject instead of deviating. I’m well aware that rap is not the only influence; I’m merely stating that it’s one of the bigger ones because it???s in the media so much. If you reflect on it, songs inspire people to do things. For instance, before the ‘big game’ or a fight in the ring, athletes get pumped up by listening to a song. Ergo, that song influences them to get out there and kick some ass. Songs have that power over people. From what I???ve found over the years, the media has a LOT of influence over people (obviously). There???s plenty of blame to go around for why American society is in the crap-state that it???s in, be it improper upbringing, lack of parental unit/s, general bad luck (wrong place-wrong time), etc. If I were to continue, I???d write a narrative, and nobody likes reading those posts???

But why lie? A lot of rocker???s are. I won???t deny that. Just like in that move ???School of Rock,??? Jack Black explains that, to really sing a heavy rock song, you have to really hate something. A lot of heavy rocker???s really hate the government, life, or someone, and end up barfing into the microphone (with some pretty cool guitar riffs and mad drum rhythms) and somehow sell a million CDs. And, I was referring to the rhythm in rap being repetitive, not the lyrics, or whatever you misinterpreted.

Umm, are you aware that a lot of the ones that are displayed through the media that have wives and children still include the stated above material in their songs and music videos?
And yes, they are selling stories. Unfortunately, a lot of behaviors I don???t agree with are in the popular ones that are selling.

As far as being an imbecile or raciest; first of all, racists don’t know what they’re talking about and blame people for ridiculous, stereotyped (and sometimes completely ridiculous, un-stereotyped) stuff.
"Gas prices have gone up. Let’s blame those Iraqis."
"It’s the nigger’s fault that the streets are more violent."

That, I know, is utter bullshit. The government regulates gas prices and the streets are more violent because, in a nut-shell, people are idiots (once again, this is a very deep ,and broad, topic that requires much more typing that I won’t get in to at the moment).

Way to lose all credibility in yourself.. butt-lick. I see insults with no real direction, and an opinion bashing my opinion in what rocks and doesn???t rock. So.. what exactly are you babbling about? I included that I like some off-brand genres of rap a few posts up and still, you throw monkey poo in my face. So, be honest with me here, what is it about me that you don’t like? It’s clear that it’s not just my lame taste in music that’s making you shit a brick every time you visit this post. o_O

Well excuse me, I naturally assumed since your post was contradictory it was sarcasm, you said rap music is just about as much music as tribal chanting, which one is not music but a ritual that takes place ib religious ceremonies, 2, requires little to no talent. That’s the reason why I said you were a butt-lick you have an imbeclic, narrow-minded outlook on music who says you have to sing for it to be labeled music.

How can you even say that like Rap is possibly the most unacknowledged form of music, out of some of the major forms, but there is violence and degeneracy all around. Also yes media plays a role in peoples lives in a mental sense, maybe, but not in a physical sense I mean not like you can draw strength from a song, I’m thinking of a song right now i’m not robbing banks and flipping cars. America is in it’s crap state because we live to free, a man with no rules is a man at his worst. Not just Americans all humans have atleat once defied authority be it their parents or the law. America tries to give people as many rights as possible, some of rights are too liberating, now we are scared not to encroach on peoples rights or hurt their feelings, why build a melleable goverment?

No I didn’t misinterpret, unless you mean the rhythm not changing within the one song, than ok. But you are extremely wrong if you say all songs have the same rhythm.

Ok if you know they are married, and they are just selling stories, why are you complaining about the brand of music? Or are you one of the people that think even though everyone knows they ae lying they still promote bad nehavior? I’m an honor roll student in a mentally gifted program, and I listen to rap am I an ignorant illiterate drug-dealing hoodlum? No. Do I call my girlfriends ho’s/sluts/bitches? Not on purpose but I have a short-temper other than those lapses no. I’m far from a stereotype, but you are the epitome of a stereotype.

Actually, racist do know what they are talking about, never said they were right.

Ok but you are blaming a form of media for violence and degeneracy. But it goes way farther beyond there.

Because you are the epitome of every person who hates rap for no real reason, and the reasons they do have are always influenced by other things than rap.

??? you said rap music is just about as much music as tribal chanting, which one is not music but a ritual that takes place ib religious ceremonies, 2, requires little to no talent. That’s the reason why I said you were a butt-lick you have an imbeclic, narrow-minded outlook on music who says you have to sing for it to be labeled music.

Where, exactly, did I say that? Please point it out for me. I???m pretty certain I said that just about anything with rhythm is considered music, including chanting, which brings forth many genres to consider.

Ever try yodeling? Or even thinking anything before you run your mouth on it? Chanting is no easy thing, lad; it takes a strong gut, pitch control, and timing.

How can you even say that like Rap is possibly the most unacknowledged form of music, but there is violence and degeneracy all around.

What you???re asking is like asking ???If you???re eating your fruits and veggies, why do you have brown hair???? Whatever you say usually does not make sense. I???ve a hard time believing you to be an honor roll student when you can hardly get your point across, let alone editing it correctly.

I’m thinking of a song right now i’m not robbing banks and flipping cars.

Congratulations. You???re practicing what we teachers call ???autonomous behavior.??? If I could give you a gold star to go on your hand, I would.

I’m an honor roll student in a mentally gifted program, and I listen to rap am I an ignorant illiterate drug-dealing hoodlum?

Ignorant? Yes. Drug-dealing hoodlum? I wouldn???t care if you???re considered a saint in the catholic church. Having good grades does not mean you have common sense. That, much like a definite subject, appears to be lacking in each of your posts.

Do I call my girlfriends ho’s/sluts/bitches? Not on purpose but I have a short-temper other than those lapses no. I’m far from a stereotype, but you are the epitome of a stereotype.

All right then smart-ass, why do you call them bitches and hoes on accident? Would it be because you constantly listen to music that has that vocabulary in it, thus it reinforces that women are bitches and hoes? And which stereotype am I a part of?

Or are you one of the people that think even though everyone knows they ae lying they still promote bad nehavior? I’m an honor roll student in a mentally gifted program, and I listen to rap am I an ignorant illiterate drug-dealing hoodlum? No. Do I call my girlfriends ho’s/sluts/bitches? Not on purpose but I have a short-temper other than those lapses no. I’m far from a stereotype, but you are the epitome of a stereotype.

Actually, racist do know what they are talking about, never said they were right.

Ok but you are blaming a form of media for violence and degeneracy. But it goes way farther beyond there.

Actually, racists don???t. And I???m glad to see we???ve come to terms on something.

Because you are the epitome of every person who hates rap for no real reason, and the reasons they do have are always influenced by other things than rap.

WTF are you talking about? Let me repeat what you said: "There are no outside influences in rap." Let me, also, quote myself from a few posts above:

And I really don’t hate all rap necessarily, it’s the mainstream ‘bitches and hoes’ stuff that I want to take to a firing squad. If Black Eyed Peas and other related stuff is considered rap, then I’ll openly say that I like some rap. Unfortunately, just not all rap. ^_^

Everything you say seems to contradict itself. Maybe this is a good indicator that you should stop speaking. Say, ever again.

Oh, and if you do decide it’s time for you to speak again, be sure you know how to type, spell, and/or punctuate, because I, like everyone else who wastes away a portion of their life reading and trying to make sense of your post, already have a hard enough time deciphering my student’s written work as is. But then again, they’re elementary schoolers, they at least have a reason why they can’t spell correctly.

Where, exactly, did I say that? Please point it out for me. I???m pretty certain I said that just about anything with rhythm is considered music, including chanting, which brings forth many genres to consider.

Ever try yodeling? Or even thinking anything before you run your mouth on it? Chanting is no easy thing, lad; it takes a strong gut, pitch control, and timing.
It can be classified as music as much as tribal chanting is considered music.You were saying? Ok but it still does not void the fact it is not music.

What you???re asking is like asking ???If you???re eating your fruits and veggies, why do you have brown hair???? Whatever you say usually does not make sense. I???ve a hard time believing you to be an honor roll student when you can hardly get your point across, let alone editing it correctly.Really, because you make pathetic little media raped impressions, for something you know shit about. You sit there talking about "Oh I h8 rap because it promotes violence and degeneracy", when you are proven that you cannot epicenter this ‘Disgraceful’ behavior to rap artist. You sit in your little quite suburban home and secretly do think "those niggers ruin everything", it’s just these ‘niggers’ are called "rappers". You honestly live in a bleek miserable world where the walls of your cage are made of lead, you’ve been retarded by society. How can you make a learned decission, without learning about the subject, how can you learn about something you don’t tolerate. You are honestly the idiot in this debate, why go up on a subject you know ass about?

Ignorant? Yes. Drug-dealing hoodlum? I wouldn???t care if you???re considered a saint in the catholic church. Having good grades does not mean you have common sense. That, much like a definite subject, appears to be lacking in each of your posts.
Who is ignorant in this discussion? The one who has an open mind and knows about the subject at hand? Or the neanderthal whose excuse for not liking a form of expression has been force-fed by the media/society? Oh no wait your excuse is "I’m a saint and a chivelrous self-righteous cretin, and rap is evil and a bunch of evil womanizaton.".

All right then smart-ass, why do you call them bitches and hoes on accident? Would it be because you constantly listen to music that has that vocabulary in it, thus it reinforces that women are bitches and hoes? And which stereotype am I a part of?See there you go again making half-assed assumptions, which shit for brains told you I listen to rap everyday, oh no, wait, it was your lack of judgment and your ignorance. Do I do it everyday, no , do I get mad when a girl may hurt me and flip out, yes, tell me you don’t. Do I feel good about it no I know it’s bad but in the heat of the moment it’s an eye for an eye. And wake up and wipe the cavier crust from your eyes girls call each other bitch all the time. What stereotype? the one of the guy who lives in the suburbs, thinks he lives a nice devout life and hears a vulgar word, and wants to crucify the person who said it. Also the ignorant white man that blames rap for violence, but doesn’t look at the world in general, but singles out rap, why because I’m sure he watches the news and makes a malinformed perception.

WTF are you talking about? Let me repeat what you said: "There are no outside influences in rap." Let me, also, quote myself from a few posts above:I said you are the epitome of every person who hates rap for no reason, and the reasons they do have always been influenced by something other than rap.

Everything you say seems to contradict itself. Maybe this is a good indicator that you should stop speaking. Say, ever again.
Perhaps it’s an indicator you are readiing what I’m saying out of context, and that you should learn more about what you seem to hate.

Oh, and if you do decide it’s time for you to speak again, be sure you know how to type, spell, and/or punctuate, because I, like everyone else who wastes away a portion of their life reading and trying to make sense of your post, already have a hard enough time deciphering my student’s written work as is. But then again, they’re elementary schoolers, they at least have a reason why they can’t spell correctly.Oh wow you are funny maybe you should accept your ignorance and stop continuing a discussion you are in no position to debate. Maybe you should just stop posting because you’ve just proved yourself an ignoranus, that has a force fed perception of what you don’t know about.

raps hated because it sucks.

1. Work on your grammar.
2. Shut the fuck up.

1. Work on your grammar.
2. Shut the fuck up.

don’t bother with him
Sciz listens to Fall Out Boy, which essentially means it is impossible for him to have any knowledge of music.

in my honest opinion, rap is going downhill. all the new stuff i hear is garbage.

don’t bother with him
Sciz listens to Fall Out Boy, which essentially means it is impossible for him to have any knowledge of music.

Bogus, but true.

It can be classified as music as much as tribal chanting is considered music. Music is just about anything with a beat. However, I wouldn’t consider it as singing necessarily.

I think that these days you can never be sure whether rap incorporates singing or not. Nelly, even though he sucks ass, technically sings a lot of his "rap songs"

songs like the "I’m No Good Remix" feature both Ghostface Killah doing rap vocals and Amy Whinehouse singing. How would you classify that?

Or there’s also Tonedeff’s Porcelain or Pervert which both contain a fair amount of singing along with rap vocals.

A majority of Eminem’s Hailie’s Song involved singing.

On top of that there’s Gnarls Barkley’s Crazy which is pretty much entirely sung.

I don’t know, these are just the fragmented and incomplete thoughts of my tired mind at the moment, for all I know I could be totally off target.

I actually prefer the old school, from the early to late 80’s, they were actually pretty funny and had some good beats (Run DMC, DJ Jazzy Jeff, etc)
Could not stand it after it started getting "gangsta" and all that… Such good memories and how it can go wrong when the idiots start taking over….

which shit for brains told you I listen to rap everyday, oh no, wait, it was your lack of judgment and your ignorance.

I quote you, Mr. "Shit for Brains" :

I’m an honor roll student in a mentally gifted program, and I listen to rap am I an ignorant illiterate drug-dealing hoodlum?

I’m going to be the adult here and call it quits. As far as I’m concerned, this debate/argument/(whatever) came to a close long before this post. We keep going in circles and I’m beginning to wonder if you’re doing this on purpose… Either way; you’re an idiot, plain and simple, that refuses to see what others (namely myself at the moment) post, be it through anger or misinterpretation. My dad was right about one thing: "Don’t argue with an idiot; they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you up with their idiot-logic. Thus, arguing with one is pointless." Thanks again for proving my point.

There isn’t much else to say on this when so many others have pointed out your same short-comings and you still refuse to acknowledge them…

I really pity you. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck in life.
Cheers, mate!

Anyhow, back to why rap is disliked…

I quote you, Mr. "Shit for Brains" :

I’m going to be the adult here and call it quits. As far as I’m concerned, this debate/argument/(whatever) came to a close long before this post. We keep going in circles and I’m beginning to wonder if you’re doing this on purpose… Either way; you’re an idiot, plain and simple, that refuses to see what others (namely myself at the moment) post, be it through anger or misinterpretation. My dad was right about one thing: "Don’t argue with an idiot; they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you up with their idiot-logic. Thus, arguing with one is pointless." Thanks again for proving my point.

There isn’t much else to say on this when so many others have pointed out your same short-comings and you still refuse to acknowledge them…

I really pity you. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck in life.
Cheers, mate!

Anyhow, back to why rap is disliked…
OK show me where in my post it says I listen to rap everyday? I don’t have enough time to listen to rap everyday.

Isn’t it funny how a person will jump into a debate half-assedly, and then tries to justify their ignorance by saying, "This is stupid my bastard of a father, told me some pointless bullshit that has nothing to do with anything at hand,…etc(more random shit). I really pity you."

I don’t pity you, I resent your presence and pity your offspring.

Oh man. I always hated the title "rap" Smarties and I consider my self somewhat of an aficionado of "Hip-Hop" the truer name of the art form. The rapper is only an element.

INDEED

However, you rarely see me in these threads revealing my sources or debating with skin heads & young school geeks about "why rap sucks". It’s endless and pointless almost. They just can’t understand in their few years of living that not all rap is Hip-Hop and not all Hip-Hop is bad. Rap in my opinion is commercialy accepted and supported by the big industries. They sell all manner of life style to the poor public, who has to turn on the radio to the same song until they start to like it. They turn to the videos with the same gimmicks and female dancers. Why can’t they stop raping such a versatile art form? Losers. I don’t care if they want to appeal to the whore mongers, materialisticly shallow, gangsters (and I mean gangsters/politicians) and gays. In my mind they are no part of the culture at all but still represent it somehow to the entire planet. WTF

There’s nothing wrong with an art form that can incorporate ALL others and I mean ALL, just like the materia in FF7. Corneyness aside, Hip-Hop is successor to jazz, folk, rock, tribal chants and whatever, as all those things stem from the people who made what is known at large as "rap". It’s the kids who will never understand and they will be the death of good music.

Does heaven got a ghetto?

I already showed you what you said once, why bother to show you again? Call me or my father what you will, that still doesn’t change the fact that there’s nothing but dust in between your ears.

And which stereotype am I a part of?

Interesting literate new posters? I bet that’s it!

Some rap is pretty decent, though.

I’m going to be the adult here and call it quits. As far as I’m concerned, this debate/argument/(whatever) came to a close long before this post.

On an aside, I really wish some of our more established members could be this sensible. Smarties is a silly man who does not respond to logic.

Interesting literate new posters? I bet that’s it!

Some rap is pretty decent, though.

On an aside, I really wish some of our more established members could be this sensible. Smarties is a silly man who does not respond to logic.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! ^_^
I couldn’t agree with you more… some rap is pretty decent.

Yes, some rap is pretty decent, and neglected.

Will Smith was one of the very few who was really popular with his music. -_-; *sigh.* He’s also an excellent actor now, so…

^^; The decent rap is pretty much neglected nowadays, mainstream media has always took over.

I already showed you what you said once, why bother to show you again? Call me or my father what you will, that still doesn’t change the fact that there’s nothing but dust in between your ears.

Didn’t you say you weren’t going to respond? You can’t even live up to your standards.

Yes, some rap is pretty decent, and neglected.

Will Smith was one of the very few who was really popular with his music. -_-; *sigh.* He’s also an excellent actor now, so…

^^; The decent rap is pretty much neglected nowadays, mainstream media has always took over.

Thats because the majority of rap fans want to hear lyrics regarding bitches, hoes, cash, and the like. Thats what gets them rich quickly, so they’ll do it.

Ocassionaly, a rapper will come out with singles that aren’t in line with those ideas, but odds are 10-1 that they don’t go immediatly Platimum as quickly as the ones who rap about hoes and all.

some hip hop is trash, some of it is really really great, you just have to sift through like any other music genre to find the good, or whats good in your eyes anyway

Thats because the majority of rap fans want to hear lyrics regarding bitches, hoes, cash, and the like. Thats what gets them rich quickly, so they’ll do it.

Ocassionaly, a rapper will come out with singles that aren’t in line with those ideas, but odds are 10-1 that they don’t go immediatly Platimum as quickly as the ones who rap about hoes and all.

That’s a pretty large assumption just because that’s what’s in 10-1 of the songs doesn’t mean that’s the reason it’s liked, I like rap because it’s an expression of life experience, and gangster rap, I think it’s ok the whole killing death thing we all know it isn’t real it’s pretty poetry with an assertion of power. As far as the hoes and money, the money a rapper makes is like ghost money, as soon as his sales slump and he’s no longer hot, he’ll be reduced to high middle class. Nobody has actually stayed on top unless they expanded their revenues like Jay-Z bought the New Jersey Nets.

Not always true, Look at Kanye West Kalib Tweli, and Common all of them have platinum records.

That’s a pretty large assumption just because that’s what’s in 10-1 of the songs doesn’t mean that’s the reason it’s liked, I like rap because it’s an expression of life experience, and gangster rap, I think it’s ok the whole killing death thing we all know it isn’t real it’s pretty poetry with an assertion of power. As far as the hoes and money, the money a rapper makes is like ghost money, as soon as his sales slump and he’s no longer hot, he’ll be reduced to high middle class. Nobody has actually stayed on top unless they expanded their revenues like Jay-Z bought the New Jersey Nets.

Not always true, Look at Kanye West Kalib Tweli, and Common all of them have platinum records.

I agree, I only listen to the rappers who actually have something to say. The ones that actually have a story to tell, but today it is mostly trash and it’s very rare to hear a rapper that has good lyrics.

XD I forgot about Kanye West to be honest. I think his music is great…but doesn’t he also have a big ego?

rap is the best fuck all you haters.

Will Smith was one of the very few who was really popular with his music. -_-; *sigh.* He’s also an excellent actor now, so…
I have immense respect for Will Smith. He started out a rapper, but he eventually expanded his talents, and it landed him nominations for prestigious awards such as: the Academy Award, Golden Globe and Emmy Award. He lost out on the Oscar, and I’m not sure if he ever won the Golden Globe or the Emmy, but today, he’s a Grammy-winning pioneer in Rap music.

It’s pointless to argue with a baboon that calls themselves "smarties." 😀

I have immense respect for Will Smith. He started out a rapper, but he eventually expanded his talents, and it landed him nominations for prestigious awards such as: the Academy Award, Golden Globe and Emmy Award. He lost out on the Oscar, and I’m not sure if he ever won the Golden Globe or the Emmy, but today, he’s a Grammy-winning pioneer in Rap music.

Did you see his latest movie yet…I heard it was excellent. I want to see it, but I don’t think I’ll have the time..

That movie was AWESOME! Everybody should see that move at least once just to see what ‘never giving up’ really means.

i’ve always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos,

It’s not the point that they are ACTING, it’s the point that it is what they are MEANT to be doing. It’s complete bullshit. Now teen age girls go around dressed like Hos. Pathetic.

so they obviously knew what it would mean.

Obviously 50 Cent didn’t. Otherwise he would know people hated hm so much that his video game would be a flop.

the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn’t need to be allowed in public in the first place.

This is the first good point you have made. Points +1

That however still doesn’t solve the problem of why the lyrics are so crappy. Old school rap i liked. The new rap has NO sense at all. This is all rap is today.

Low ridin, pimp fo sho get the dolla bill ya’ll smack ho black mccy D’s blunt, gangsta thugelicious flos and hos, rollin dubs and filpin switches in the low lows.

It’s all the same crap now. it’s like they WANT me to feel sorry they "acted" lived in the ghetto. Buddy. I lived in Brooklyn. I’m not gonna feel sorry for some uncreative loser who probably has 5k just waiting to be pulled out of his pockets. Feeling sorry for these losers and along Emo kids crying themself to sleep because they think they have a bad life just because their mum wouldn’t let them get their Faces of Death DVD.

if i made a rap song.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO!

aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don’t understand it?

I understand your reasoning is retarded.

well, i don’t get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media’s callin it.

While Emo, Punk and Rap are all shit, your taste in music tells me you were probably born in the 90s. AKA The 80s Evil Twin, AKA The shit hole years, AKA your dad’s busted condom.

so please tell me, why don’t you like rap? if you like, post your theories anyway.

See above. More likely the kids like you who throw money at the shit.

HaHa a fellow Brooklynite, *sigh* good ol’ Brooklyn people knew what music was there. I really miss Flatbush :(.

Brooklyn is probably the only place i’ve been around where the Rap music blasting out of people’s houses/Cars/Door steps were good.

Thank you I know, that’s why I thank BK for my respect of music, Philly people have the worst music sense it’s like going to Wal-Mart with retards.

Tell me about it. Teen ae girls these days. And i swear to god, whenever rap music plays on the air, they start dancing around like hos. In a way it’s like it’s the only way they know how to dance.

Girls act like this…Then say they get bad boyfriends and that’s because men are evil? They are just asking to bring bad guys at their door step by acting like that.

Honestly. Some people’s children these days..

Tell me about it. Teen ae girls these days. And i swear to god, whenever rap music plays on the air, they start dancing around like hos. In a way it’s like it’s the only way they know how to dance.

Girls act like this…Then say they get bad boyfriends and that’s because men are evil? They are just asking to bring bad guys at their door step by acting like that.

Honestly. Some people’s children these days..

Hahahaha. Nicely put.

Lol.

Tell me about it. Teen ae girls these days. And i swear to god, whenever rap music plays on the air, they start dancing around like hos. In a way it’s like it’s the only way they know how to dance.

Girls act like this…Then say they get bad boyfriends and that’s because men are evil? They are just asking to bring bad guys at their door step by acting like that.

Honestly. Some people’s children these days..

Haven’t you realized that girls at a young age are stupid? It’s not really influence of rap, but they’re just fucking stupid! It’s female role models on tv and mainstream media.

Britney Spears
Pussycat Dolls (though I love their music)
Paris Hilton
Linsday Lohan

xD And not to mention, attention whores on MySpace. >_>;

…..The list can go on….I see it as a competition. Girls trying to outdo each other, or just fit in.

There are so many few stars that make it without promoting that kind of influence of a "bad girl."

Mandy Moore
Olsen Twins (I do forgive that whole eating disorder incident. lol)
Hillary Duff

…..I don’t see rap being an influence to kill someone. Sorry, I can listen to it without a desire for violence. People who do that are weak in my eyes.

Good point. I just think the musical media is part of the corner stones of what makes an influence on kids these days.

*Sigh* What ever happened to a lot of women? If some dressed in a nice long skirt, a nice dress shirt and fixed their hair up to look pretty, that was all it would take back in the day to get a guy…Now though..Ugh. Girls are trying to out do eachother in all the wrong ways..

Girls trying to out do eachother sounds dirty

Shut up Butch!

your lesbian lover is butch

This is the first good point you have made. Points +1

That however still doesn’t solve the problem of why the lyrics are so crappy. Old school rap i liked. The new rap has NO sense at all. This is all rap is today.

Low ridin, pimp fo sho get the dolla bill ya’ll smack ho black mccy D’s blunt, gangsta thugelicious flos and hos, rollin dubs and filpin switches in the low lows.

It’s all the same crap now. it’s like they WANT me to feel sorry they "acted" lived in the ghetto. Buddy. I lived in Brooklyn. I’m not gonna feel sorry for some uncreative loser who probably has 5k just waiting to be pulled out of his pockets. Feeling sorry for these losers and along Emo kids crying themself to sleep because they think they have a bad life just because their mum wouldn’t let them get their Faces of Death DVD.

I strongly disagree with the statement that all rap today is retarded. The game could use a nice amount of weeding out, but to consider all rap as materialistic and degrading would be quite inaccurate.

By calling all of today’s rap materialistic and degrading we’d have to toss out:
Lupe Fiasco (good debut album, but hey, you said all rap, buh bye)
J Dilla (legendary producer, Donuts was a good album, buh bye)
Nas (his status been going up and down since Illmatic, Hip Hop Is Dead was a good release, also buh bye)
The Cunninlynguists (very unrecognized rap group with a lot talent and I believe 2 very good albums, buh bye)
Sage Francis (one of those rappers I recommend to newcomers, buh bye)
Fort Minor (a decent little starting point for newcomers, also goodbye)
Pharaohe Monch (conscious rapper whose latest video Guns Draw dwelled upon raising awareness of the dangers of guns, kiss him goodbye)
The Roots (classic rap group, Game Theory was a good album, buh bye)
The Demigodz (nice and solid modern rap crew, each member wielding respective talents, kiss them all goodbye)
BlackStar (yikes, Talib and Mos, practically like Batman and Robin, kiss them goodbye as well)
QN5 Music (crew consisting of Tonedeff, PackFM, Substantial, etc. put out a lot of quality modern rap, buh bye)
Glue (Adeem, DJ DQ, and Maker, nice and talented group, buh bye)
Solliliquists of Sound (excellent group with a LOT of talent, especially DiVinci, buh bye)

and we can kiss goodbye to upcoming releases as well:
Canibus’ The C Of Tranquility (looks promising, first real solid album in a while, buh bye)
Rakim’s The Seventh Seal (the god mc’s first album in a long while, buh bye)
Talib Kweli’s Eardrum (Kweli is pretty consistent with every album, looks promising but….buh bye)

I strongly disagree with the statement that all rap today is retarded. The game could use a nice amount of weeding out, but to consider all rap as materialistic and degrading would be quite inaccurate.

By calling all of today’s rap materialistic and degrading we’d have to toss out:
Lupe Fiasco (good debut album, but hey, you said all rap, buh bye)
J Dilla (legendary producer, Donuts was a good album, buh bye)
Nas (his status been going up and down since Illmatic, Hip Hop Is Dead was a good release, also buh bye)
The Cunninlynguists (very unrecognized rap group with a lot talent and I believe 2 very good albums, buh bye)
Sage Francis (one of those rappers I recommend to newcomers, buh bye)
Fort Minor (a decent little starting point for newcomers, also goodbye)
Pharaohe Monch (conscious rapper whose latest video Guns Draw dwelled upon raising awareness of the dangers of guns, kiss him goodbye)
The Roots (classic rap group, Game Theory was a good album, buh bye)
The Demigodz (nice and solid modern rap crew, each member wielding respective talents, kiss them all goodbye)
BlackStar (yikes, Talib and Mos, practically like Batman and Robin, kiss them goodbye as well)
QN5 Music (crew consisting of Tonedeff, PackFM, Substantial, etc. put out a lot of quality modern rap, buh bye)
Glue (Adeem, DJ DQ, and Maker, nice and talented group, buh bye)
Solliliquists of Sound (excellent group with a LOT of talent, especially DiVinci, buh bye)

and we can kiss goodbye to upcoming releases as well:
Canibus’ The C Of Tranquility (looks promising, first real solid album in a while, buh bye)
Rakim’s The Seventh Seal (the god mc’s first album in a long while, buh bye)
Talib Kweli’s Eardrum (Kweli is pretty consistent with every album, looks promising but….buh bye)

Is it me, or did you just quote what obviously implied in my first post? Or are you just too oblivious to see that i don’t care?

The Roots
They is good 🙂

Is it me, or did you just quote what obviously implied in my first post? Or are you just too oblivious to see that i don’t care?

If you don’t care, then why bother posting in the first place? If all you’re going to do is jump in a rap thread and shit on its listeners and joyfully bash rap with blissful ignorance, then for all intents and purposes you can fuck off and donkey ride a buzzsaw.

The Roots
They is good 🙂

Indeed.

If you don’t care, then why bother posting in the first place? If all you’re going to do is jump in a rap thread and shit on its listeners and joyfully bash rap with blissful ignorance, then for all intents and purposes you can fuck off and donkey ride a buzzsaw.

It seems being because you’re some sort of Sub human, you aren’t smart enough to figure out that i meant i could CARE LESS IF THOSE BANDS WERE GONE AND WENT OUT OF BUSINESS..

Did i say i hated rap all together? No.

Are you a retard? Don’t answer, I already know.

Oh really, you didn’t state that you hated rap altogether? Allow me to highlight a few choice words for you then.

Taken from your earlier posts

This is the first good point you have made. Points +1

That however still doesn’t solve the problem of why the lyrics are so crappy. Old school rap i liked. The new rap has NO sense at all. This is all rap is today.

Low ridin, pimp fo sho get the dolla bill ya’ll smack ho black mccy D’s blunt, gangsta thugelicious flos and hos, rollin dubs and filpin switches in the low lows.

It’s all the same crap now. it’s like they WANT me to feel sorry they "acted" lived in the ghetto. Buddy. I lived in Brooklyn. I’m not gonna feel sorry for some uncreative loser who probably has 5k just waiting to be pulled out of his pockets. Feeling sorry for these losers and along Emo kids crying themself to sleep because they think they have a bad life just because their mum wouldn’t let them get their Faces of Death DVD.

While Emo, Punk and Rap are all shit, your taste in music tells me you were probably born in the 90s. AKA The 80s Evil Twin, AKA The shit hole years, AKA your dad’s busted condom.

I mean gee, I dunno, you seem to be referring to "all" of rap quite a few times there.

"Is it me, or did you just quote what obviously implied in my first post? Or are you just too oblivious to see that i don’t care?"

In other words, you don’t really give a damn if you’re lumping talented artists with untalented ones. Either way, you’re just stating that you don’t care enough to notice the difference and you’d much rather clump them all together and do away with all of them. Which essentially means, all of rap. Whoa hey, what a coincidence, fucknut.

It’s all the same crap now.

That word NOW should tell you something. It means i think all rap is crap NOW meaning i liked it at one point but have lost interest in it since it’s gone downhill.

You’re putting together things in such forms of bullshit, i don’t even know what logic you’re using to get these points of views you have.

Let me make it clear one last time just in case you missed it.

I LIKE RAP. I DON’T LIKE NEW RAP. I WOULD CARE LESS IF ALL THESE NEWS BANDS WOULD DROP DEAD.

Take those words seriously or not, twist em up into what ever your little illiterate elementary mind sees them as. Whatever makes your little world turn around.

That word NOW should tell you something. It means i think all rap is crap NOW meaning i liked it at one point but have lost interest in it since it’s gone downhill.

You’re putting together things in such forms of bullshit, i don’t even know what logic you’re using to get these points of views you have.

Let me make it clear one last time just in case you missed it.

I LIKE RAP. I DON’T LIKE NEW RAP. I WOULD CARE LESS IF ALL THESE NEWS BANDS WOULD DROP DEAD.

Take those words seriously or not, twist em up into what ever your little illiterate elementary mind sees them as. Whatever makes your little world turn around.

It’s okay, I understand what you mean. I know this sounds silly, but finding tasteful rap is comparable to finding a needle in a haystack.

It’s okay, I understand what you mean. I know this sounds silly, but finding tasteful rap is comparable to finding a needle in a haystack.

Thank god, some one who can read 😛

Yeah i know what you mean about that. Whenever i do find music from a rap band i enjoy, i stay with it for a while and try to find something new. Otherwise it will get old to me and lose it’s effect.To me, i think music is something that can’t be taken so easy. I don’t really think a person can ever stick with just one style of music without getting bored of it.

The Roots
They is good 🙂

hell yeah. in fact, I’m listening to Game Theory while i’m typing this.

The thing is though, teenage girls have brought it upon themselves for this shit. If they had any sense, they wouldn’t be dressing up and acting like hos, but no, they decided that they have to outwhore each other just for some dumbass reason.

And PLEASE! For the love of God and all that is holy do NOT get me started on the Attention Whores of MySpace (Aka AWMS). If I was gonna burn them, I’ll need to down 2 bottles of Bawls to do so.

And PLEASE! For the love of God and all that is holy do NOT get me started on the Attention Whores of MySpace (Aka AWMS). If I was gonna burn them, I’ll need to down 2 bottles of Bawls to do so.

I can help this happen..

hell yeah. in fact, I’m listening to Game Theory while i’m typing this.

The thing is though, teenage girls have brought it upon themselves for this shit. If they had any sense, they wouldn’t be dressing up and acting like hos, but no, they decided that they have to outwhore each other just for some dumbass reason.

Outwhore each other. xD LOL! I like that one.

And PLEASE! For the love of God and all that is holy do NOT get me started on the Attention Whores of MySpace (Aka AWMS). If I was gonna burn them, I’ll need to down 2 bottles of Bawls to do so.

I’m definitely NOT an attention whore, that’s for sure. I have a MySpace Page (http://www.myspace.com/tygerchickchibi) too, for a good while and never had problems with anyone. Stupid girls end up being raped on that site, and then the parents blame the site for the kid’s stupidity.

I AM DEFINITELY SURE, a major percentage of these girls have the following:

1) Super Skimpy clothes
2) Some R & B or hardcore Rap song (or rock song, dunno)
3) At least 200 friends(if not more), with girls that look the same, and guys that they don’t really know.

Other than that…..be honest. what percentage of girls on MS do you think have that kind of profile?

…..I would say… 40% ….

There is a very solid rule of Myspace. If you are a girl, yo umust dress in skimpy clothing and have some R & B music playing in the background with some "Bootylicious" BG image and try to act like you’re some sexy thing and say stupid things like "Watch me werk it" or "Look at my ass".

If you are a guy, you must take pictures of yourself much like the girls, only look sad or stoned out of your skull. You must use the generic "Taking my picture while looking in the mirror look" and have the words legalize it flashing as your BG while playing one of Slipknot’s worst songs you can think of.

Rules for both sex.

You must have over 300 friends. The more friends you have, the more respect you get.

"OH COOL! Some guy named Uncle ButtNaked just put me on his top 5! And he said he will buy me ice cream, Woo hoo!"

You MUST take pictures of yourself.

You MUST make check back on Myspace EVERY hour on the hour.

Failure to do so will make you a normal person who has self respect for themself and an outcast of teen age society. Please move to Live Journal with the rest of the Laid back and down to earth people.

LiveJournal has laid back and down-to-earth people?

The following i’ve seen there are a lot better than Myspace. Though i don’t have a lot of friends who have a Livejournal, so i’ve had no reason to take a deep look into the people, but from i’ve seen, the the people who post in their journals are your average journal posters.

Not a good thing, but also not a horrible thing like most Myspace members.

LiveJournal has laid back and down-to-earth people?

*raises her hand….?*

EDIT – Long time no see, JM.

I use to have a favorite radio station here down in california, can you guess it? It use to play a lot of old rock, pop, and dance music, which I love dearly, nowadays all it plays are rap music, and since then I’ve loathed rap just for that reason.

i hate rap just because you cannot call it music…sure there are a few notes…but they are repeated…over…and over…and over and over and over again. It doesn’t have an exposition, development, and recapitulation. Doesn’t have dynamics, movements….Everything that is defined in music Rap lacks. Even modern genres (pop, rock, etc…) have dynamic variation and feeling. And the choruses and bridges, etc act as the exposition, development and recapitulation. Rap just doesn’t have those. And most of the lyrics talk about the same things as well. There are some that are different, but most are just about sex, drugs, and killing stuff. Well that’s my part in it. I won’t ramble anymore.

Oh look. Another ignorant musical elitist jackass who has no idea what he’s talking about. We certainly have not seen enough of those in this thread!

i hate rap just because you cannot call it music…sure there are a few notes…but they are repeated…over…and over…and over and over and over again. It doesn’t have an exposition, development, and recapitulation. Doesn’t have dynamics, movements….Everything that is defined in music Rap lacks. Even modern genres (pop, rock, etc…) have dynamic variation and feeling. And the choruses and bridges, etc act as the exposition, development and recapitulation. Rap just doesn’t have those. And most of the lyrics talk about the same things as well. There are some that are different, but most are just about sex, drugs, and killing stuff. Well that’s my part in it. I won’t ramble anymore.

Yeah so you don’t know shit about hip hop, awesome! So you have probably listened to like one song by Fifty Cent and immeaditly wrote of the genre, that’s like listening to one song by some shitty commercial rock group and immeaditly concluding that all guitar music must be terrible.

By your definition you also don’t believe that electronic music in general is music either.

Yeah so you don’t know shit about hip hop, awesome! So you have probably listened to like one song by Fifty Cent and immeaditly wrote of the genre, that’s like listening to one song by some shitty commercial rock group and immeaditly concluding that all guitar music must be terrible.

By your definition you also don’t believe that electronic music in general is music either.
thank you

+ fuck you?

Oh look. Another ignorant musical elitist jackass who has no idea what he’s talking about. We certainly have not seen enough of those in this thread!

Totally agreeing with this. I have this ability to get into any genre of music, and I tell you, there are good and bad music from every genre. To write off a genre because you’ve heard bad music from it is not only stupid, it’s elitist, pretentious, ignorant and it shows how much of an uncultured cunt you are.

I can’t tell you why, though one idea is, perhaps, since it has hit mainstream, thus one trend would be to hate the mainstream material. However, rap to me seems like they are trying to address reality in a very bare, truthful, uncut sense (the educate ones), and although it’s very simple music, it sounds much the same. I dislike it because it lacks a lot of creativity and musicianship (especially when compared to music outside the U.S.)

Oh look. Another ignorant musical elitist jackass who has no idea what he’s talking about. We certainly have not seen enough of those in this thread!

For me, the reason why I don’t like rap is because its just a beat. There’s no singing in it. Just a beat with some guy(s) speaking to it. But, then again I’ve always been a person for ballads, like those done by the Japanese group Kiroro. I have to admit that I can tollerate rap, infact some of Eminem’s rap has some good meaning. But when it comes to your typical Gangster Rap, I can’t stand that at all. I mean, seriously, who wants to listen to a song about some guy wanting to start a gang war, or is in one and watching his hommies get pumped full of lead. Rap just really isn’t ‘music’ in the traditional sense… more like rhythmic verse more than anything else.

For me, the reason why I don’t like rap is because its just a beat. There’s no singing in it. Just a beat with some guy(s) speaking to it. But, then again I’ve always been a person for ballads, like those done by the Japanese group Kiroro. I have to admit that I can tollerate rap, infact some of Eminem’s rap has some good meaning. But when it comes to your typical Gangster Rap, I can’t stand that at all. I mean, seriously, who wants to listen to a song about some guy wanting to start a gang war, or is in one and watching his hommies get pumped full of lead. Rap just really isn’t ‘music’ in the traditional sense… more like rhythmic verse more than anything else.

Rhythmic verse is pretty much what music is

mu???sic /ˈmyuzɪk/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[myoo-zik] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
2. the tones or sounds employed, occurring in single line (melody) or multiple lines (harmony), and sounded or to be sounded by one or more voices or instruments, or both.
3. musical work or compositions for singing or playing.
4. the written or printed score of a musical composition.
5. such scores collectively.
6. any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound: the music of the waves.
7. appreciation of or responsiveness to musical sounds or harmonies: Music was in his very soul.

And if you want ballads, get off that Japanese stuff and listen to Andrea Bocelli, Josh Groban, or the soul groups of the 1960s.

The part of hip hop music I enjoy most are the beats behind the lyrics. If you need a gentle push into the genre, I suggest the Samurai Champloo soundtrack.

After listening to that I explored the other artists, and grew to love it.

so…apparantly i am an elitest because i don’t agree with the majority on something they care about? plus I never said I wrote off the genre. There are still some exceptions. I never said I hated all of the genre and that I disregard everything. I was just saying that technically (although some songs stay coherent to the definition of music) most rap is not much music. Although it might have some music in it, there’s hardly any variation. I have heard a lot of rap music btw Hogan, and everything I have heard (except for Japanese hip hop, strangely lol) lacks at least one thing from that very definition that Zetsumei posted. I am not an elitest, and I am amazed that you can wrongly infer that from only one post.

Now, I am not trying to rustle any feathers here, believe me i don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. I am just voicing my opinion. I just want to give some examples pertaining to that definition of music.

All rap has rythm, correct? that’s good that is 1/4. Some rap does have singing and in fact a melody, but the majority doesn’t. It is the "singer" that talks through the song. And since there is no melody, how can there be harmony? and as for color. One can get an emotional feeling from this genre so that’s also good. 2/4. Notice how the definition used the word AND near the end of number 1. (im sorry i am a grammar nazi lol) so you can infer that if a song does not possess all of those said qualities that it cannot be considered music.

Again, i have to say that i am not an elitest that is not writing off the whole genre. Some of you are thinking that again, im sure. Not ALL rap is what i have described. Some is actually pretty good. But I am just looking at the big picture here.

"any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound: the music of the waves." –I am sure some rap out there has this quality but not all that i have heard. I’m just curious…but have any of you taken any music appreciation or music theory classes?

I just hope that you can be open-minded enough to see my point of view through this, and to please not flame me. I am only voicing my opinion. I do not mean to cause any anger/resentment towards any of you.

wow….time for my rant to be over. sry guys lol

oh and Hogan…electronic music does have melody, harmony, and color. Even if there is no singing, the melody is played on a keyboard or instrument of their choice. also, go to www.garritan.com and go to demos. all of those have been electronically made.

so…apparantly i am an elitest because i don’t agree with the majority on something they care about? plus I never said I wrote off the genre. There are still some exceptions. I never said I hated all of the genre and that I disregard everything. I was just saying that technically (although some songs stay coherent to the definition of music) most rap is not much music. Although it might have some music in it, there’s hardly any variation. I have heard a lot of rap music btw Hogan, and everything I have heard (except for Japanese hip hop, strangely lol) lacks at least one thing from that very definition that Zetsumei posted. I am not an elitest, and I am amazed that you can wrongly infer that from only one post.

Now, I am not trying to rustle any feathers here, believe me i don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. I am just voicing my opinion. I just want to give some examples pertaining to that definition of music.

All rap has rythm, correct? that’s good that is 1/4. Some rap does have singing and in fact a melody, but the majority doesn’t. It is the "singer" that talks through the song. And since there is no melody, how can there be harmony? and as for color. One can get an emotional feeling from this genre so that’s also good. 2/4. Notice how the definition used the word AND near the end of number 1. (im sorry i am a grammar nazi lol) so you can infer that if a song does not possess all of those said qualities that it cannot be considered music.

Again, i have to say that i am not an elitest that is not writing off the whole genre. Some of you are thinking that again, im sure. Not ALL rap is what i have described. Some is actually pretty good. But I am just looking at the big picture here.

"any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound: the music of the waves." –I am sure some rap out there has this quality but not all that i have heard. I’m just curious…but have any of you taken any music appreciation or music theory classes?

I just hope that you can be open-minded enough to see my point of view through this, and to please not flame me. I am only voicing my opinion. I do not mean to cause any anger/resentment towards any of you.

wow….time for my rant to be over. sry guys lol

oh and Hogan…electronic music does have melody, harmony, and color. Even if there is no singing, the melody is played on a keyboard or instrument of their choice. also, go to www.garritan.com and go to demos. all of those have been electronically made.

Yes, I have taken music theory classes, and you are seriously blind and deaf.
1. It has rhythm even though most rap songs have horribly simple rhthym to begin with.
2. Electronic music has melody via keyboard or instrument, guess what? So do most rap songs.
3. Harmony is defined musically as a simultaneous combination of tones.
4. Color is used to describe the depth of a song, and in order to have color there must be rhythm, melody, and harmony.

I’m full of shit! I fail to see that rap is a genre of music and should be ass raped for my stupidity.

:smrt: Fixed!

I think rap is alright. I just prefer music that has a melody that makes you wanna go wild. Rap rarely has that. I usually get bored fast with rap. Its got rythem, yes. but it’s seldomly melodic, like say….. Crush 40. and rap never has elec guitar solos. In short, a non melodic rhythem is an empty song in my eyes.

And besides. Rap isn’t the enemy… MTV is.

Yes, because rad guitar solos define music. :rolleyes:

Obviously Guns N’ Roses were the best thing to happen to music since Mozart.

I am here to save this topic. UAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Rap… I’m hard-pressed to explain exactly what it is about the genre that repels me so. Is it the guys who like to drive around with their car stereos pumped to the max, with insane bass levels shaking everything around them? That’s a part of it.
For reference, very little about the popular music of the past 12 or so years do I enjoy. I constantly find myself listening to older groups and enjoying them instead of listening to the pop radio and turning it off after 20 seconds.
And even older rap I don’t care for. I don’t like the early Beastie Boys stuff, Run DMC is only okay to me, Grandmaster Flash I don’t like – hell, I dig Blondie but can’t stand Rapture. Rap in other languages doesn’t help; I’ve heard Ukranian and Danish rap in addition to Japanese, and all of it repelled me.
What’s the moral here? I’m not sure there is one.

Disco isn’t coming back

No -noooooooooooooo! Disco is my life, man! The 70’s never ended! Whip Inflation Now! Where’s my pet rock? Time to put my bell bottoms on and dance the night away!

-_-;

No -noooooooooooooo! Disco is my life, man! The 70’s never ended! Whip Inflation Now! Where’s my pet rock? Time to put my bell bottoms on and dance the night away!

I will call you Disco Stu

Personally, I’d rather have a car full of thugs blasting rap than a car full of pencil-neck nerds blasting One-Winged Angel.

Well we have it post of the week.

DL and Listen to an album called Madvillainy if you’ve never heard it. If you dont like it, then you just cant get into rap music.

it sucks because its just different speeds and rythem paterns of "unce"

DL and Listen to an album called Madvillainy if you’ve never heard it. If you dont like it, then you just cant get into rap music.

It’s as good as when it came out in 04′. Even the instrumental album holds it’s own at a party.

Disco isn’t coming back

and if it does…*Loads shotgun*

mainstream rap in very repulsive imo. one’s knowledge for instruments, time signatures, bars, meaningful lyrics, tone and the like are completely thrown out the window. all the average rapper needs today is an image that follows that of every other rapper, a notepad full of "lyrics" that boast how great said person is, and a keyboard with presynthed drum beats in 4/4 time. I can’t count how many times i’ve turned on the radio and listened to some rapper talk more than sing (and out of pitch for that matter) to an eerily familiar sounding beat.
sure there’s rap out there that doesn’t follow these trends. sure there are people out there that are willing to spend more than 45 minutes on the "next hit", they aren’t the same people that are played on mtv.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not narrow-minded with what music i listen to. I enjoy rock, alternative, indie, folk, experimental, even rap if a rare jem happens to find my way. I think gym-class heroes and outkast are both excellent groups, if you consider it rap. But if I hear any complaint on how that isn’t rap, and how I should go listen to 50 cent or snoop dogg for some real rap, go hang yourself, because mainstream is the same lack-luster bullcrap over and over again. You hear one song, you’ve heard them all.

and if it does…*Loads shotgun*

Fuck off, you musical elitist jackass. Listen to some Jamiroquai before you run your mouth of like that.

what gets to me, and its not only rap but also definatly modern rock, is that the messeges barely differ between many different artists. Its like theres no self identity or forms of articulate expression anymore, but it kills me that they act like they do, when its so obvious they just used artists before them as influence to do the exact same thing. Now i know everyone is influenced by other bands, but its like more than ever its clear that each music genre is gnawing on the same bone. People can say rappers only talk about cars woman and money, but listen to alot of the new rock out now. Too many suicidal lyrics, lots of talk about depression and popping pills and how your girlfriend breaking up with you makes you feel lost. Country music is now every male artists songs are all as emotional as possible, in an anology, its like every artists of each genre is only painting with one color, one form of lyrical expression. Nobody wants to really go outside this. I guess people really shouldnt complain about this cause weve shown as contibutors to the sales of many music labels, that we dont want a change, so its like alot of these artists are afraid to go outside this, it could harm there paycheck.

bands like pink floyd, radiohead, Nirvana, rappers like tupac and nas are so respected and loved cause they wernt like that, people could easily detect something special from them, and new it took real talent to do something completely different and make it sound so well, you can tell bands and artists like that do it for self expression, and not for success.

what this guy says is true all of the new crap is just talking about the same things i don’t like rap everyone in my school nearly does.Its becouse the so called cool people do and it not just becouse i hate them that i hate rap but some rap is good only when its original however like it’s the same with every genre like muse no one does music like muse at least not that i’ve heard.Muse
are better then 50 cent becouse they are original.From my point of view and i
won’t say it’s crap just unoriginal.

50 cent needs to die a horrible death, he’s a disgrace to rap and hip hop.

Fuck off, you musical elitist jackass. Listen to some Jamiroquai before you run your mouth of like that.

Jeez it was a joke. relax.

I don’t like alot of American popular rap(except the Wu Tang Clan), cause it does all sound the same(to me), but I do like some rap that isn’t very popular, but it’s good stuff and it just fits my kinda taste in music. Doctor Octagon is one of my favorite rappers

Doctor Octagon is a mad genius.

I have a friend who got me into trip-hop, and that’s some crazy stuff.
Some rappers actually have clever lyrics, and I really appreciate that.
A good beat also helps. Like rock or punk, country, etc, there are TONS of people in the genre, and then a bunch of SUB genres. I like some of those "genres" more than others. That’s how I feel about all types of music. Some of it I like and I get, some of it I don’t.

It’s tongue and cheek, give and take with any music I listen to.

So, I take it people hear one artist or song, and they hate it, so they assume everything else is like that.
Oh: And people saying it’s always aboutr "Drugs" "sex" "money."

There are plenty of rock/punk/emo artists who sing about sex, drugs, and money. (Motley Crue, Panic!At the Disco, MCR, Green Day, KITTIE…) Take your pick. It’s sort of hypocritical to say otherwise.

Some pretty good artists in rap you should check out (if you ask me):
Prodigy, Doctor Octagon, McChris, M.I.A

mainstream rap in very repulsive imo. Meaningful lyrics are completely thrown out the window.

This sounds a lot better. I mostly go for the lyrics in the music, to be honest…But anyway, lyrics that can be meaningful from person to person. What you may not like, someone else might.

all the average rapper needs today is an image that follows that of every other rapper, a notepad full of "lyrics" that boast how great said person is, and a keyboard with presynthed drum beats in 4/4 time.

Not necessarily.

I can’t count how many times i’ve turned on the radio and listened to some rapper talk more than sing (and out of pitch for that matter) to an eerily familiar sounding beat.
Just because there isn’t any SINGING, doesn’t mean that it’s not music.

sure there’s rap out there that doesn’t follow these trends. sure there are people out there that are willing to spend more than 45 minutes on the "next hit", they aren’t the same people that are played on mtv.

Wow, I don’t like MTV anymore anyway…too much teen shows.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not narrow-minded with what music i listen to.

I beg to differ.

I enjoy rock, alternative, indie, folk, experimental, even rap if a rare jem happens to find my way. I think gym-class heroes and outkast are both excellent groups, if you consider it rap. But if I hear any complaint on how that isn’t rap, and how I should go listen to 50 cent or snoop dogg for some real rap, go hang yourself, because mainstream is the same lack-luster bullcrap over and over again. You hear one song, you’ve heard them all.

I like Snoop, Bitch.

I hate rap music because it gets on my nerves.

Don’t need any better reason than that.

Yes something has to set off your nerves.

I hate rap music because it gets on my nerves.

Don’t need any better reason than that.

Word.

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Some pretty good artists in rap you should check out (if you ask me):
Prodigy, Doctor Octagon, McChris, M.I.A[/QUOTE]

Prodigy is kick ass.

On a plus note, why is it that most of the time someone mentions a rap or techno artist/ group, I’m listening to one of their songs? Weird huh?

I hate rap music because it gets on my nerves.

Don’t need any better reason than that.

Finally, an intelligent and well thought out response.

About damn time.

This sounds a lot better. I mostly go for the lyrics in the music, to be honest…But anyway, lyrics that can be meaningful from person to person. What you may not like, someone else might.
Very true, however alot of "professional" musicians write about the same stuff over and over, and its very hard to find real creativity anymore. Not just in rap, but everywhere.

Not necessarily.
"Not necessarily" has no merit when refuting someone else’s statement. Back up what you say with some support or nobody will take you seriously. There are people in these forums that are much more harsh than I and wouldn’t waste a second’s notice in tearing you apart for saying something like this.

Just because there isn’t any SINGING, doesn’t mean that it’s not music. Anything can be passed for music. Anything. A famous composer, John Cage, performed a piece entitled 4:22 in which absolutely no instruments are played. Its just ambient sounds. The difference here is there are many rappers that are attempting to hit certain notes and are failing miserably at it. Many others have horrible voices to begin with and shouldn’t be singing/talking in the first place.

Wow, I don’t like MTV anymore anyway…too much teen shows. I can go on for hours why I hate MTV but this isn’t the place for it. However I’m glad I’m not the only one that dislikes MTV

I beg to differ.
Once again, support what you say. I would especially love to see you attempt that on this particular comment.

I like Snoop, Bitch.
It doesn’t surprise me.

Snoop is a pretty talented rapper and his early material was pretty good, his albums have kind of fallen off lately but as far as mainstream rap goes he is one of the better ones out there.

Any rap I like, I only like it because it makes me laugh, or cause it reminds me of my brothers. I have nothing against it; I just don’t get the point. Also, I think, other genres of music have more to offer.

Jumping in with the "I hate rap" crowd.

While I do like some rap instrumentals, the lyrics are what get on my nerves.

To me, R&B + Road Rage = Rap

Now a dance song, that has a quick rap mix dropped in (like the Bleach intro) is nice.

"Not necessarily" has no merit when refuting someone else’s statement. Back up what you say with some support or nobody will take you seriously. There are people in these forums that are much more harsh than I and wouldn’t waste a second’s notice in tearing you apart for saying something like this.

"Not necessarily" Is pretty much to the point. Take it how you want, I really don’t care.

Once again, support what you say. I would especially love to see you attempt that on this particular comment.

I’m flattered that you’d want me too, but maybe later. Perhaps over a cup of tea?

It doesn’t surprise me.

Why doesn’t it surprise you? I’d really like to know that.

*yawns.* Wow, I’m really in one of my better moods today. I’d really like a cookie, though.

*passes cookie*

Thank you! *chomps on cookie and gives Motombo a hug.*

=D You make Tyger happy.

Thank you! *chomps on cookie and gives Motombo a hug.*

=D You make Tyger happy.

NP…*Hides bag full of stolen cookies*

there are quite a few rappers out these days with meaningful lyrics, its just the same as any genre, you have to search through the crud to find them, thats all

I don’t like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

I don’t like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

Then I’d take it that you don’t like the "electronica" genre as well, seeing as they do use the same type of equipment and the beats in both hip-hop and electronica are very repetitive.

I don’t like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

Way to stereotype a genre and make a massive generalization.

I don’t like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

Tsk-Tsk.

I’m disappointed in you. 🙁

One could argue that rock is nothing but sex, drugs and rock’n’roll, but it’s way out of order to generalize on a grand scale like that. It’s so easy to disregard something you know absolutely nothing about.

The string of words put together sounds annoying to me, no substitue for singing. And as for the music that goes with it, it loops too often, not enough variety. Where as for some all this is enjoyable it just annoys me so I dont listen to it.

Again, same could be said about Heavy/Death metal, that all they do is scream into the mic, but that would be generalizing.

Here’s this: Don’t judge a book by its cover, don’t judge or hate a genre of music based only by the majority of singers/artists and their works.

Again, same could be said about Heavy/Death metal, that all they do is scream into the mic, but that would be generalizing.

Here’s this: Don’t judge a book by its cover, don’t judge or hate a genre of music based only by the majority of singers/artists and their works.

Metal is pretty much all I choose to listen too and I agree totally on the screaming point with certain sub-genera’s of metal like death metal, thats all the ‘singing’ they do. Thing is I can ignore that and listen to the riffs and the great solo’s, those are sounds I like.

But as for rap I’ve heard so much from friends cd’s, tv, the radio aaagh! I dont like it because it’s rap, pure and simple. No matter how many different artists there are they all incorporate sounds and styles that make up rap which is why I hate all of it because I dont like those sounds.

I think its an acquired taste myself.

^ Lol, Nice to see you’re here too Toasty!

Well, I made a thread about it along time ago on another forum, basically giving the explanations you all have. It’s just a negative culture. Everything about it tends to lean towards things that are morally wrong, but yet again some rock is no better…But anyways. It’s "participants" of the culture tend to absorb the message, which is morally negative to begin with, and apply it into their own lives. It would explain why there are so many "hardcore ‘gangsta’s’" out there.

^ Lol, Nice to see you’re here too Toasty!

Well, I made a thread about it along time ago on another forum, basically giving the explanations you all have. It’s just a negative culture. Everything about it tends to lean towards things that are morally wrong, but yet again some rock is no better…But anyways. It’s "participants" of the culture tend to absorb the message, which is morally negative to begin with, and apply it into their own lives. It would explain why there are so many "hardcore ‘gangsta’s’" out there.

Metal is pretty much all I choose to listen too and I agree totally on the screaming point with certain sub-genera’s of metal like death metal, thats all the ‘singing’ they do. Thing is I can ignore that and listen to the riffs and the great solo’s, those are sounds I like.

But as for rap I’ve heard so much from friends cd’s, tv, the radio aaagh! I dont like it because it’s rap, pure and simple. No matter how many different artists there are they all incorporate sounds and styles that make up rap which is why I hate all of it because I dont like those sounds.

I think its an acquired taste myself.

you to seem alot alike

^ Lol, Nice to see you’re here too Toasty!

Well, I made a thread about it along time ago on another forum, basically giving the explanations you all have. It’s just a negative culture. Everything about it tends to lean towards things that are morally wrong, but yet again some rock is no better…But anyways. It’s "participants" of the culture tend to absorb the message, which is morally negative to begin with, and apply it into their own lives. It would explain why there are so many "hardcore ‘gangsta’s’" out there.

I get it.

You hate black people.

50 cent needs to die a horrible death, he’s a disgrace to rap and hip hop.

I wouldn’t wish death on anyone, but…..

I don’t like rap. I prefer music that can be played live in concert with actual instruments. And the beats very repetitive. To me, more so than any other genre of music I have come in contact with. And the lyrics is nothing but drugs, sex, violence, and racial slurs.

there is quite a few rap groups and rappers that use live instruments in concert and on albums (the roots being an immediate example), but hey, how to stereotype a whole genre……

Some of you people get the wrong idea, what is played on the radio and seen on TV are not rap, I don’t even know what the heck those are. True hip hop is beautiful, smart, and creative. I mean man, the metaphores, punchlines, an rhymes they use! its ridiculous. And I am not talking about D4L or any of them mainstream artists, I am talking about true Hip Hop artists like Talib Kweli, Rakim, ATCQ, KRS One, MF Doom, GZA/Genius, Common, Canibus, JMT and the list goes on. The majority of the people bashin rap have absolutely no knowledge of what rap is or they base their critics on what they hear on the radio and I really hate that because true Hip Hop is not even played on the radio or TV at all, exept for a few artists like Nas, Jay-Z and Eminem.

I get it.

You hate black people.

I get it.

You are a moron who doesn’t understand the concept of critical thought.

I get it.

You have no sense of humor and cannot tell when someone is using blatant sarcasm.

I get it.

You have no sense of humor and cannot tell when someone is using blatant sarcasm.

I get it.

your weak and insecure in your real life so u make yourself feel better by making fun of moronic ff7 fanboys

I get it.

You provide nothing to a but just post random retardation, and just watch your whole life fail.

I think rap has a few good songs out there, but the majority of them are not very good (morally and the way it sounds). My Mom can’t stand rap, and I think some of it is Ok, but for the most part…ehhh…

Hhhhahahaa! You guys are crazy.

I think rap has a few good songs out there, but the majority of them are not very good (morally and the way it sounds). My Mom can’t stand rap, and I think some of it is Ok, but for the most part…ehhh…

It’s because most of you young European dudes never heard real hip-hop. I wonder if Smarties ever heard this cat right here. I’ll do you a favor and put you on to somethin’ just this once, Taylor Lee…

J DILLA

I get it.

You are a moron who doesn’t understand the concept of critical thought.

Is it because I’m black?

shadukai and sain share the same pair of brain cells, enough said.

I do say, it must be a wonderful world where knowing about something amounts to having done absolutely no research.

shadukai and sain share the same pair of brain cells, enough said.

u can split brain cells in half?

u can split brain cells in half?

Not really, more like use stem cells to force-induce the creation of an identical pair of brain cells.

lol… you know sain has no idea what you just said right?

lol… you know sain has no idea what you just said right?

That’s the idea.

Is it because I’m black?

No, its because you jump to conclusions, and that only makes you look like an idiot, now if you placed more EMPHASIS on what you’re trying to say, then your opinion would be counted as one. If you don’t agree with me, than post why, don’t make a half-asked retarded remark. With that said, please stay on-topic. Thank you.

Oh ok now I really get.

You’re Hitler.

You guys take this way too seriously, you should just agree to disagree…

Also,

I hate rap with a passion.

How the heck did Hitler get involved in a thread about rapping.

It’s like FFVII getting into a thread about good games.

Oh ok now I really get.

You’re Hitler.

You’ve just confirmed my beliefs that, in fact, you are an idiot. I suggest you stop to prevent yourself from showing your idiocy further.

Now, to stay on-topic.

This is from a post I made on another forum about 2 years ago.
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1. Rap is perverse.
I swear an average of 83% of new rap songs are perverse. The lyrics are basically "How much I want some" or "Show me some booty" and I’m paraphrasing…. If you want sex, I don’t really care, every person with a penis wants sex, you’re no different, but rappers don’t understand the idea of "self discipline". I also don’t care how much you want it or how hot a girl is, sorry, I got better things to do.

2. Most mainstream rap is not art.
Some people see All of rap is either good or art, I disagree, with a few exceptions. Rap is now basically either stating something perverse, or trying to show how "hardcore" or "Gangsta" the rapper is, over and over, saying it differently. Some rap, however, is very emotional, and very poetic….(ex: some Usher songs and an R. Kelly song or two) but then again, point 1 comes up.

3. Alot of the songs have the same beat and tempo.
As the title says, the beats are occasionally changed around a bit and played faster or slower. Some variations are ok…..but most of the time it’s a disappointment. Seriously, any idiot could come up with some of those beats. And technically the rappers don’t deserve the title of "artist" because they never make the music themselves.

4. Rap tries to be "gangsta"
Singing about how "hardcore" you are all the time isn’t gonna make me think you’re a badass, or even respect you.

My conclusion is, the worst sides of mainstream rap are completely and underly horrible…I am aware that there is more to rap than what is listed, because the good side of rap actually stands for something. But then again, good rap is a rarity.
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Whatever Adolf, I think it’s obvious that you are a big racist jerk.

Also, I hear you hate puppies and give babies cancer.

shadukai and sain share the same pair of brain cells, enough said.

AAAAhhhhhhhaaaaaaa!!lol

ATOMNARMOR STOP THIS MADNESS!!!!!!

The battle between rap and rock rages

Please give me the pleasure, we’ve never met I will thoroughly disprove you if you don’t mind.

You’ve just confirmed my beliefs that, in fact, you are an idiot. I suggest you stop to prevent yourself from showing your idiocy further.

Now, to stay on-topic.

This is from a post I made on another forum about 2 years ago.
~~~~~
1. Rap is perverse.
I swear an average of 83% of new rap songs are perverse. The lyrics are basically "How much I want some" or "Show me some booty" and I’m paraphrasing…. If you want sex, I don’t really care, every person with a penis wants sex, you’re no different, but rappers don’t understand the idea of "self discipline". I also don’t care how much you want it or how hot a girl is, sorry, I got better things to do.

2. Most mainstream rap is not art.
Some people see All of rap is either good or art, I disagree, with a few exceptions. Rap is now basically either stating something perverse, or trying to show how "hardcore" or "Gangsta" the rapper is, over and over, saying it differently. Some rap, however, is very emotional, and very poetic….(ex: some Usher songs and an R. Kelly song or two) but then again, point 1 comes up.

3. Alot of the songs have the same beat and tempo.
As the title says, the beats are occasionally changed around a bit and played faster or slower. Some variations are ok…..but most of the time it’s a disappointment. Seriously, any idiot could come up with some of those beats. And technically the rappers don’t deserve the title of "artist" because they never make the music themselves.

4. Rap tries to be "gangsta"
Singing about how "hardcore" you are all the time isn’t gonna make me think you’re a badass, or even respect you.

My conclusion is, the worst sides of mainstream rap are completely and utterly horrible…I am aware that there is more to rap than what is listed, because the good side of rap actually stands for something. But then again, good rap is a rarity.
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1) Completely biased because there is more of these "perverse" things in R&B and Pop music I can’t make chicken crap out of modern rock so meh. Also not everyone with a penis wants sex ever heard of asexual? not to mention if such vulgarity sickens you, you really should move to Amishland modern times are disgusting make peace or gtfo to be brutally honest.

2) You like every half-assed media fanatic have just been regurgitating the same thing time and time again. Rap is not "perverse" or "gangsta " its freedom of expression. It’s like bottled up anger, rather than cause self-affliction you rap about male dominance. People hare always throwing bitch fits oh it’s insulting to women, oh it envokes violence. I’m sorry if an idiot cannot differentiate a story from real life he deserves death.

3)Pure bullshit, the beats are not repetitive and the tempo doesn’t matter. listen to "grinding", "spit ya game" or "hip hop is dead" you want to tell me all these tracks have the same beat and tempo? Also each and everyone of them musical masterpiece. Not to mention the hell you could make any good hip hop beat.

4) I’m not even going to address it’s just faulty logic.

My conclusion is you just like picking battles you say that mainstream rap is bad but not all rap, but you label all rap in your post.

If I label rap, than explain THIS. (http://snoopkirby.ytmnd.com)

Only rap song CONSIERED decent, lulz.

To answer your response to #4: Look at Rich Boy and Chamillionare, they’re perfect examples.

You’re talking about three artists. With the exception of some of Snoop’s early work three pretty bad artists. Snoop is a pretty talented freestyler as well but it’s not like he’s rap battling in the streets anymore. As far as the other two go they are just terrible. I think nearly anyone who listens to more than the shitty rap played on Top 40 stations would agree. I’m not saying you can’t like rap, I’m saying you don’t know anything about it.

^ Thats exactly why I said mainstream rap. Referring to you saying "I think nearly anyone who listens to more than the shitty rap played on Top 40 stations would agree."

(And when I linked to Snoop Dog, I was making a joke. Snoop Dogg + Kirbyland)

I’m not hating rap altogether, granted, but there are just some things about it which I think is making it the way it is. I feel the same way about how Heavy Metal is starting to suck. Same idea.

Plus, I actually don’t know that much on the in-depth rap you’re referring to. Again, I only mean MAINSTREAM rap.

Most people agree that mainstream rap sucks (or at least most "music people"). I don’t think thats the argument. The problem stems from people lumping all rap into that stereotype, which is what nearly every anti-rap person in this thread has done, and a lot of the pro-rap people don’t do a very good job of explaining or listen to the crappy hip-hop and don’t know what they’re talking about. That’s why I go through streaks of defending the art form and then forgetting about because this thread never goes anywhere. Whenever people come to a consensus some new person who hasn’t read the thread makes another idiotic statement that has already been stated countless times before and the whole process repeats itself. It’s a never ending cycle of stupid.

but yeah anyway, I agree most mainstream rap isn’t very good though are a few exceptions.

The same goes for just about every genre. Mainstream, in general, sucks ass.

If I label rap, than explain THIS. (http://snoopkirby.ytmnd.com)

Only rap song CONSIERED decent, lulz.

To answer your response to #4: Look at Rich Boy and Chamillionare, they’re perfect examples.

Stop the idiocy shadukai. It’s the classic example of "on the outside looking in" syndrome. You realy don’t know what the hell your talking about as far as hip hop. There’s stuff out there you’ll never hear in all your days that would shut your gap up about it and teach you at the same time. You obviously need to be tought but I don’t have the patience.

Well, then show me some stuff, smartass.

And yes, I already established that I’m not completely sure what I’m talking about when in comes to the other side of rap. Had you read the next post right, you would of known that.

Teach me if you’re so knowledgable.

Check out Common, Atmosphere, P.O.S., Brother Ali, Eyedea and Abilities, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, Busdriver, Subtitle, Gnarls Barkley would fall under popular but good, Aesop Rock, De La Soul, Public Enemy, Murs, and the list goes on.

Check out Common, Atmosphere, P.O.S., Brother Ali, Eyedea and Abilities, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, Busdriver, Subtitle, Gnarls Barkley would fall under popular but good, Aesop Rock, De La Soul, Public Enemy, Murs, and the list goes on.

Thats right.

Heres the jist: If you turn to BET and whatever popular music show and/or radio station you want, are you commonly going to see a music video or hear a song made by said artists? No, odds are 20-1 that you would hear Atmosphere or who ever. Out of 20 songs, only 2 or 3 of the songs would be made by said artists. Why? Because the majority of listeners want to hear songs about money, rims, and bitches.

Another example: TRL (Not that I watch it :P). the same damn song keeps getting requested over and over and ****ing over.

I can understand people’s "distaste" for rap music; everyone has their own likings. However, its a much more ignorant statement to generalize the content of rap music to be infused with drugs/guns/girls. If you’re going to say "rap music is annoying," you should AT LEAST say mainstream rap is annoying- your quarrel is with mainstream hip hop, not the "whole" of rap music. There are plenty of intelligent, highbrow rappers that actually rhyme with significance.

I want people to really understand the difference because you’d be pissing 99% of rap fans off by saying "rap music sucks," whereas if you’d have said "mainstream rap sucks," then 99% of rap fans would agree with you.

I can understand people’s "distaste" for rap music; everyone has their own likings. However, its a much more ignorant statement to generalize the content of rap music to be infused with drugs/guns/girls. If you’re going to say "rap music is annoying," you should AT LEAST say mainstream rap is annoying- your quarrel is with mainstream hip hop, not the "whole" of rap music. There are plenty of intelligent, highbrow rappers that actually rhyme with significance.

I want people to really understand the difference because you’d be pissing 99% of rap fans off by saying "rap music sucks," whereas if you’d have said "mainstream rap sucks," then 99% of rap fans would agree with you.

wahey!!!!

an intelligent answer

Because if classic musicians such as Bach or Beehtoven from hundreds of years ago were to come alive, they would be disgraced at what music has become.

II think they would be more worried about all this crazy new technology first.

In all honesty…I hate it, and with a passion. I find it talentless because it’s all the same. They all sound the same…they all look the same. Maybe it’s just because I’m not physically or emotionally attracted to black men…

I lean more towards Punk and Rock, but also enjoy some Pop, Trance and a few country songs. For those who say they hate country, you have to at least listen to Save A Horse Ride A Cowboy by Big and Rich.

Either way, I find rap talentless and offensive. Especially that Eminem, he’s the most annoying wigger I’ve ever heard of >.<

I HATE COUNTRY!

Talentless and offensive huh?

>_>; I still don’t understand what black men have to do with anything. It seems to just be thrown in there.

In all honesty…I hate it, and with a passion. I find it talentless because it’s all the same. They all sound the same…they all look the same. Maybe it’s just because I’m not physically or emotionally attracted to black men… I think you actually win for most offensive post in the thread. I was just joking around with other people, but you really did go and make a pretty prejudiced post right there. Good for you. I mean seriously.

For those who say they hate country, you have to at least listen to Save A Horse Ride A Cowboy by Big and Rich.
Also this sentence here ensured me that you really just hate music in general. Save a Horse Ride a fucking Cowboy may be one of the most generic and ridiculous pop-country songs of all time. I wouldn’t even call it real country because it’s just terrible mainstream pop with twangy guitars and a guy singing about cowboys.

edit: for the record I am not saying "real" country is any good or anything.

In all honesty…I hate it, and with a passion. I find it talentless because it’s all the same. They all sound the same…they all look the same. Maybe it’s just because I’m not physically or emotionally attracted to black men…

You’re a fucking cunting racist. They all look the same? Way to generalize an entire group of people you ignorant Pok???mon n00b. Why not get to know someone before you pass judgement on them? They all look the same. That’s the most racist statement I have heard in a long time.

Go fist fuck Brock. Oh, wait, he’s black, so I guess you’d only let him bumfuck you.

In all honesty…I hate it, and with a passion. I find it talentless because it’s all the same. They all sound the same…they all look the same. Maybe it’s just because I’m not physically or emotionally attracted to black men…

I lean more towards Punk and Rock, but also enjoy some Pop, Trance and a few country songs. For those who say they hate country, you have to at least listen to Save A Horse Ride A Cowboy by Big and Rich.

Either way, I find rap talentless and offensive. Especially that Eminem, he’s the most annoying wigger I’ve ever heard of >.<

HAHAHAAHAHA, While some people haveindirectly made race a factor you grabbed it by the horns. And fuck country if you hate rap for the black people, I hate country for the hay chewing, slack-jawed yokels.

Like every genre out there in this day and age, hiphop has its commercial side, and then its underground side.
Most people that bash hiphop and rap only have listened to the commercial garbage that is embraced by MTV and the like, or they havent really listened to hiphop at all and just dislike it because they heard on the news that it spreads violence and blahblahblah. While I wont argue that, I will say that for every 50 Cent, Eminem and Jay-Z, there is a Wu-Tang Clan,Aesop Rock and Cyne.
Im sure that if I told a rock or country fan that I dislike those genres, they too would bring up some obscure or more pure form of that music for me to listen to, as opposed to the pop music that passes for rock/country on the airwaves today.
Sadly, all music suffers from a bad image because of stereotypes and the fact that the major recording companies will continue to pump out mainstream trash so long as there is a buck to be made.

Eminem and Jay-Z are quite good imo, but as of late not so much.

I like them both too. ^^;

I don’t like it because it’s lyrics doesn’t have sense.Rap sucks.By the way I just noticed that there is an idiot under me I gived reasons for not liking it an this S.O.B don’t give reasons for liking it.Let me remember you that you’re UNDER ME in all the meaning of the word.

There a too many idiots out there like the one just above me.

I don’t like it because it’s lyrics doesn’t have sense.Rap sucks.

-_-"

I don’t like it because it’s lyrics doesn’t have sense.Rap sucks.

Your grammar sucks monkey balls you stupid bitch.

Hahaha! I like how you made your insult "exotic".

i like rap!!!
and everyone who says that rap sucks is stupid!
i mean, there are surely some rap-acts who are retarded
in their way, but most of them are doing nice stuff!
actually, i talk about german rap, (i???m from germany)
german rap is far better than us-shit.
i think no one here can give me a proper reason, why they hate
rap-music! you just say things like "it all sounds like the same" or
"their lyrics are offensive" and shit like that. those are NO PROPER REASONS
you degenerated fuckers! there are different lyrics, you just heard some of
those "bad" ones. don???t put EVERY song in that corner!
and who said, that rap is talentless? shut the fuck up!
you need flow to rap your lyrics in a nice way. but for singing you just need
a good voice and with singing-lessons every stupid jerk could do that.
if i would start taking lessons right away, i would be at least top five at a Star Search or American Idol (in germany there are shows like that) show in about 3 or 4 years!
but if you try to teach a n00b how to rap and send him to Diddy and his
Making the Band show, he would suck badly and get kicked out before the first episode even starts!

and now to that racist! why haven???t you just said the N-word you fucking bastard! "everybody look the same to me", then all white people look alike to me? no! uhm, wait…. is it George Bush or David Hasselhof? they all look the same….oh shit you stupid assmunch! you are so retarded! just the thought of
being with stupids like you on the same planet makes me wanna take a shit!^^

okay, enough of that shit!

rap rules!

btw: i like almost every kind of music, as long as the song i???m listening to sounds good to me. but i don???t say: uhm, heavy metal sucks and i won???t listen to any song of that genre! just idiots think that way!

Fuck off. We can tell off our own morons quite well enough without random outsider morons popping in to do a much poorer job of it.

you talkin to me???
whaddaya mean "fuck off"?
i can post in this thread if i want to! don???t act like
you???re my boss! i just posted my thoughts and i don???t
give a crap about what you???re sayin!!!
also halt???s maul du trottel und mach keinen auf chef, du hund!

german-rap!!!!
King Orgasmus One!!!!

Wow…that one went right over my head. -.-;

you talkin to me???
whaddaya mean "fuck off"?
i can post in this thread if i want to! don???t act like
you???re my boss! i just posted my thoughts and i don???t
give a crap about what you???re sayin!!!
also halt???s maul du trottel und mach keinen auf chef, du hund!

german-rap!!!!
King Orgasmus One!!!!

Yes, I am talking to you.

when I say fuck off, I mean that you should leave and not come back.

Sure you can post here. And doing so gives me the ability to call you a dumb cunt and tell you to fuck off.

Lastly, if you’re just looking to post your thoughts and don’t care about what anyone else has to say, post it in a fucking blog or livejournal, you dumb cunt. Now fuck off.

People hate rap because it sounds retarded. It always talks about sex, money and all that stupid stuff. 🙁

If that isn’t the single most biased unintelligent comment I’ve heard since coming here, I don’t know what is.

I vote that someone closes this retarded thread before more idiots come in with mindless genre bashing, poor grammar, some flame baiting here and there, and everybody’s IQ drops another hundred points or so from reading page after page of internet bred ignorance and idiocy.

All in favor?

I vote that someone closes this retarded thread before more idiots come in with mindless genre bashing, poor grammar, some flame baiting here and there, and everybody’s IQ drops another hundred points or so from reading page after page of internet bred ignorance and idiocy.

All in favor?

Aye…can I make you a Sig and Avatar set?
I’ve been dying to make one of just Escalayer but I threw in Ignis on my avatar out of impulse. What do you say?

Aye…can I make you a Sig and Avatar set?
I’ve been dying to make one of just Escalayer but I threw in Ignis on my avatar out of impulse. What do you say?

Sure, that’d be awesome.

I vote that someone closes this retarded thread before more idiots come in with mindless genre bashing, poor grammar, some flame baiting here and there, and everybody’s IQ drops another hundred points or so from reading page after page of internet bred ignorance and idiocy.

All in favor?

Sure it’s a big thread. Sure there are a lot of shriners who aren’t tolerant of music the others listen to. Sure some posts are worthless to music-lovers, but the debate won’t stop when it close. I think this issue will always be raised somewhere, in similar threads.

Rap is a genre like an other, represented by talented and worse artists. I don’t expect from music to be cut in genres with huge walls between. Beyond these walls people would like to build, i think that the worth of an artist doesn’t depend on the genre he belongs to.

Originality…Skills…there are so many artists who are interesting. World is wide, and wider is music universe. The journey won’t stop easily for the one who keeps his ears wide opened.

Nope. I got to admit I’m biased in the music world, I prefer classical 70’s-80’s era hard rock/heavy metal and NWOBHM to most other styles of music. See, the reason i don’t like rap is because most of the songs in the genre are pretty much a clone of one and other, well these days anyway, I’ve heard rap on the radio, I’ve heard early and modern rap and I still don’t like it. The music itself barely has any feel to it, it’s usually only a fake bass rythm with some bloke rhyming some lyrics that are usually bragging about something in one form or another. The lyrical context wouldn’t be much of a bother if the actual music was any good. It’s their song, let them write it how they like but at least get some originality in there, as well as some musicians that can play an instrument not screw with a machine of some sort to get some sort of a bass rhythm going.

People like it for the reasons I dislike it, I’ve seen that alot of times, it’s not a bother to me.

Nope. I got to admit I’m biased in the music world, I prefer classical 70’s-80’s era hard rock/heavy metal and NWOBHM to most other styles of music. See, the reason i don’t like rap is because most of the songs in the genre are pretty much a clone of one and other, well these days anyway, I’ve heard rap on the radio, I’ve heard early and modern rap and I still don’t like it. The music itself barely has any feel to it, it’s usually only a fake bass rythm with some bloke rhyming some lyrics that are usually bragging about something in one form or another. The lyrical context wouldn’t be much of a bother if the actual music was any good. It’s their song, let them write it how they like but at least get some originality in there, as well as some musicians that can play an instrument not screw with a machine of some sort to get some sort of a bass rhythm going.

People like it for the reasons I dislike it, I’ve seen that alot of times, it’s not a bother to me.

And yet another post proving that this thread is filled with mostly uninformed and ignorant posts. I rest my case.

Can somebody please close this thread now?

EDIT: actually, I just noticed right now that you’re from England, which explains a good 99.5% of that musical bias and your dislike for rap.

Well, I dont know what I can add to this thread. But I’ll try. Forgive me if I step on a few toes or come off as a bit biased, its a quick reply.

I dont hate rap, its just not my genre of choice. My genre of choice is metal and rock, and I’m black (so I break the so called "stereoptype" I suppose…), and its gone so far to the point where I play guitar and listen to metal above all others.

Now why do people bash on rap? I’m not sure. I dont know the reason for that anymore than I know the reason that people bash on death metal. Some say its the lyrics in rap, and the destructive power the music has. If thats the case, why listen to it? I just feel because you dont listen to a particular genre you shouldnt bash on it. So while I cant say that I like rap, (and probably didnt answer the question that this thread was made for lol) I can say that I wont hate it for no apparent reason whatsoever.

And ya…I’m done? O.o

I do not like rap to be honest because it influences chavs (which are the scum of England) and i just don’t get it. I do like a few rap groups which is of course the Beastie boys and a band called Hadouken! even though NME are getting some hyped about them

But overall thats why i hate it

i personally search for music that means something and rap in most cases doesnt and it got that reputition because of the high number of similar acts which sing about the same things money and sex and yea other music janraws could have stuff like that but its not assotiated withit because its not its most as in rap and these topics that rap sings about r the stuff that make us lose our humanity if we keep thinkin just about it..
and i think rap is sorrounded by alot of hypocrisy like if u listen to the new duiet of ludacriss and mary j how ludacriss in the song supports young girls who have life propz and in his own video he sings about bitches and stuff like that

listen to switchfoot to know how music should be

I really hate this thread.

And yet another post proving that this thread is filled with mostly uninformed and ignorant posts. I rest my case.

Can somebody please close this thread now?

EDIT: actually, I just noticed right now that you’re from England, which explains a good 99.5% of that musical bias and your dislike for rap.

Well, at least I stated it as opinion and didn’t hide behind an excuse, hate me for the post, do whatever, I don’t really care.

Rap is actually quite big in the UK, radios filled with the shit, "50 cent, Usherr, Akon, Chamillionare" at least in the 90’s it was more original.

The Fake bass in rap is another push factor for my opinion, mainly for the reason I play a real bass instrument myself.

I play bass guitar and hip hop beats do not bother me. It helps if you listen to songs that actually have good production and not more of the same rehashed top forty stuff like "50 cent, Usher, Akon, and Chamillionare"

"This thread has been led,
Where nasty things have been said.
You and I do not agree,
But at least we have enough vision to see,
That rap is not crap?"

There’s your rap.

more like poetry.

I play bass guitar and hip hop beats do not bother me. It helps if you listen to songs that actually have good production and not more of the same rehashed top forty stuff like "50 cent, Usher, Akon, and Chamillionare"

Thing is, there is no chance in hell the decent rap will get onto radio. Hip hop beats when I frequently hear stuff by Steve Harris and Cliff Burton makes it irritating for me. Besides, only chart songs make it onto the shitty radio stations here so I bring CDs into cars.

more like poetry.
Yeah, it came out a little too… Well, artistic. Perhaps that’s the wrong word, considering the topic at hand. D=

more like flowery and without much flow

"This thread has been led,
Where nasty things have been said.
You and I do not agree,
But at least we have enough vision to see,
That rap is not crap?"

There’s your rap.

Selling out has brought about the death of this game
Failure to live up to its name, propped up by its mortal remains
But I plan to maintain, integrity of my style and act
You went the extra mile? I went a mile and a half
Write up a rough draft and sand it down
An immaculate sound crafted to entrance the crowd
I sit at the drawing board developing ways
To resurrect hip hop and elevate the game
Invoke the spirit and rekindle the flame
Put the sodium pentathol back into its veins
The media manipulates in devilish ways
Tempting us to give in to the pleasures of fame
Giving up artistic merit is not an equivalent trade
And I don???t plan to ever make the exchange
Cause I???ve got a solid comprehension of shame
And a work ethic to follow
So if I sell out, hip hop would grow empty and hollow
Cause if I sell out, hip hop has no tomorrow

I love how you actully think that I meant for it to be taken seriously. xD If you want real poetry, check out my poetry thread.

I love how you actully think that I meant for it to be taken seriously. xD If you want real poetry, check out my poetry thread.

No, I’m aware that your post wasn’t serious, I just decided meh, I feel like throwing down a quick verse.

Damm… I really hate rap and all its related-scum like music specially reggaeton( its latin equivalent )
its all about sex, money, cars, sex, sexual dancing, insulting, sex, insulting again and again
everything because of… Daddy Yankee from Puerto Rico and all of its stupid reggaetoners brought by him since 2005, the year when spanish met rap and we (the people from South-Mexico,the caribbean and South America) got screwed.

but hopefully in 10 years people will forget about that like in USA.
I really hope that.

Mobius, you must be a possesser of half a wit. Not all Hip Hop is like that, just like not all people have an educated opinion. Your ignorance of the artform is NOT uncommon as the media portrays blacks and their arts and expressions in a most unsavory light ALL THE TIME. This is ongoing and fools will always be fooled, just as I will ALWAYS listen to impeccable music, which includes Hip Hop productions.

By the way, reggaeton is a simulacrum, a mere carbon copy of Reggae, genius. They steal our music just like the rest of the planet and shit on it and it’s people. Atom Narmor is sensible and intelligent but I regress, in that I now say…

FUCK YALL HATERS!

Selling out has brought about the death of this game
Failure to live up to its name, propped up by its mortal remains
But I plan to maintain, integrity of my style and act
You went the extra mile? I went a mile and a half
Write up a rough draft and sand it down
An immaculate sound crafted to entrance the crowd
I sit at the drawing board developing ways
To resurrect hip hop and elevate the game
Invoke the spirit and rekindle the flame
Put the sodium pentathol back into its veins
The media manipulates in devilish ways
Tempting us to give in to the pleasures of fame
Giving up artistic merit is not an equivalent trade
And I don’t plan to ever make the exchange
Cause I’ve got a solid comprehension of shame
And a work ethic to follow
So if I sell out, hip hop would grow empty and hollow
Cause if I sell out, hip hop has no tomorrow

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"There once was a rapping tomato,
That’s right I said rapping tomato,
He rapped all day from April to May,
And also guess what, it was me."

-Homer Simpson.

I remember that episode

Mobius, you must be a possesser of half a wit. Not all Hip Hop is like that, just like not all people have an educated opinion. Your ignorance of the artform is NOT uncommon as the media portrays blacks and their arts and expressions in a most unsavory light ALL THE TIME. This is ongoing and fools will always be fooled, just as I will ALWAYS listen to impeccable music, which includes Hip Hop productions.

By the way, reggaeton is a simulacrum, a mere carbon copy of Reggae, genius. They steal our music just like the rest of the planet and shit on it and it’s people. Atom Narmor is sensible and intelligent but I regress, in that I now say…

FUCK YALL HATERS!

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OK, not because I don’t like that means that I will hate everything related to that.

But anyway, whatever floats your boat.

Ps: I still hate rap and reggaeton but only them.

I don’t like rap because all the songs are the same to me, the vocallists are annoying and there’s just a beat with no other musical talent (guitars, ect).
The beat is also annoying, example at parties people turn up their fucking stereos full blast and all you can hear is "thoom. . ,thoom.. . .thoom. . ." until about 4AM.

That is why I do not like Rap/Hip Hop/R’nB shit.

And rock is fresh? It’s extremely repeitive, oh I’, so depressed join me in my sorrow. Also yes music is only great when you play an instrument.

See! Trolling leads to ignorance, if people stop trolling and keep the harsh stuff toned down people wont need to bring out the ignorance guns! Ok, in a more serious and literate tone where I’m not being a peace keeping hippie: If the rap lovers are getting sick of the trolling, yes trolling, and flaming which is being stated by some of the rap haters, then rap haters, just keep the tone down and don’t cause a war or else you’re gonna get your asses bit off, or you’ll at least be shot by the gangsters. Blood is only going to make the thread uglier.

I may sound like a fucking hypocrite to some people but I have a point.

And rock is fresh? It’s extremely repeitive, oh I’, so depressed join me in my sorrow..

Depressed? wtf? alot of the classic stuff wasn’t actually depressing, the only dark and gloomy side of rock was Heavy Metal, it’s actual point was to be dark and gloomy. Stereotyping genres is not good! No brownie points for that.

Stereotyping genres is not good! No brownie points for that.

Look who’s talking

I don’t like rap because all the songs are the same to me, the vocallists are annoying and there’s just a beat with no other musical talent (guitars, ect).
The beat is also annoying, example at parties people turn up their fucking stereos full blast and all you can hear is "thoom. . ,thoom.. . .thoom. . ." until about 4AM.

That is why I do not like Rap/Hip Hop/R’nB shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j42SdmiU0kg

You’ve just been owned.

I don’t like rap because all the songs are the same to me, the vocallists are annoying and there’s just a beat with no other musical talent (guitars, ect).
The beat is also annoying, example at parties people turn up their fucking stereos full blast and all you can hear is "thoom. . ,thoom.. . .thoom. . ." until about 4AM.

That is why I do not like Rap/Hip Hop/R’nB shit.

Beastie Boys used guitars and actually used them well while mixing rap into their lyrics. Those guys were insane.

because God intended for it to be that way.

and this thread has to die off sooner of later.

Wow, the last few posts I’ve read were all BS. I’m highly amused. =D

Hahaha, rap seems to make us lose our humanity?
God’s intention?
Scum-related music?

HBD = <3.
Kairi, I listen to EVERYTHING. It makes me have a high tolerance to music I usually don’t listen to…. >_>;;;;
Innocent sin, don’t double post.
xD hehe, I like Reggaeton too.

Hell, I like Reggae in general. x_x I do have west indian blood in me.

;_; I miss Prak.

I like Akon.

@_@; yeah, that’s about it…

RAP SUKS!!!!!!!!!!
!

you suk

I only like Reggae when they mix some African instruments into it (yay, for my family in Gambia <3) and none of that mainstream stuff like Bob Marley or UB40. It’s way too commercial. I’m not really a Reggae fan, but more of a Roots and Dancehall fan.

wats so special about a person talking about how he has nice car, a "bitch", and alot of alcholhal?????

wats so special about a person talking about how he has nice car, a "bitch", and alot of alcholhal?????
Well, if you must go there, then go all the way.

Pop: What’s so special about slutty bimbos singing about how rich they are and how much they like to party?

Rock: What’s so special about hearing a grown man moan about love and life?

Metal: What’s so special about hearing some untalented screamer scream his lungs out?

My point being, you can’t generalize on such a large scale.

u got me there zulu xp,
but some rock sumtimes has alot meaning to it.

u got me there zulu xp,
but some rock sumtimes has alot meaning to it.
So does Rap and that was the point I was trying to make.

oooooooo, i get it,

Good, then, now get on your knees and obay.

i think not XP

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RAP SUKS!!!!!!!!!!
!

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RAP SUKS!!!!!!!!!!
!

O rly?

J Dilla – Nothing Like This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ncSt5xC8Uk)

Hey Im a rapper, not a real one but I do rap music, I’m with yall on the fact that all the mothafuckas do is say the same bullshit over and over but I know plenty of good rappers and good music, so don’t hate all rap, hate the new shit! But if u need some music just email my black ass

How can anyone say this is bad. Talib Kweli (http://music.aol.com/video/listen/talib-kweli/1697180) You’ve got to "listen"

Wow, the last few posts I’ve read were all BS. I’m highly amused. =D

Hahaha, rap seems to make us lose our humanity?
God’s intention?

im not saying that (rap)makes us lose our humanity…and i said that there is good rap but its few i said that emphasising on these aspects of life that rap in its most sing about that it becomes our only concern makes us lose our humanity coz god created us to be thinking and mindful creatures beside & more than being mindless animals….. and yes rock,pop,indie and other jawnras r not clean eaither so that where u as a listener chooses wats is appropriote for u and wats not so always make it ur choice

lol @ jawnras

Learn grammar. Learn spelling. Then argue. You just look like a fool at this point.

Well, if you must go there, then go all the way.

Pop: What’s so special about slutty bimbos singing about how rich they are and how much they like to party?

Rock: What’s so special about hearing a grown man moan about love and life?

Metal: What’s so special about hearing some untalented screamer scream his lungs out?

My point being, you can’t generalize on such a large scale.

PWNED

Stop listening to the crap you hear on MTV and the radio and search for something real. Rap isn’t as bad as some of you guys think it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j42SdmiU0kg

You’ve just been owned.

Wow.

lol @ jawnras

Learn grammar. Learn spelling. Then argue. You just look like a fool at this point.

hay im not english speakin in origin so give me a chance and try to get my point instead of just making fun of my english

Oh, so you don’t speak english well, but you’re comfortable mangling the language with that god-awful shorthand typing? Now I think even less of you.

Oh, so you don’t speak english well, but you’re comfortable mangling the language with that god-awful shorthand typing? Now I think even less of you.

The pwns just don’t stop do they?

Oh, so you don’t speak english well, but you’re comfortable mangling the language with that god-awful shorthand typing? Now I think even less of you.

u know u commented enough on how bad my english is and didnt say anything about the main subject and u know if u tried talking in my own language i wouldnt be so hard on u …and i really think u have some personal issues coz u just critisize ppl without actually sayin anythin useful ….and yea thnx for nothing

Everyone, I want you to pay careful attention to how the previous post makes no effort at all to address the point I raised. Instead, this moron resorts to lame, unfounded attacks in the desperate hope that no one will notice that he/she/it/what-the-fuck-ever has absolutely no defense against my own well-reasoned attack. This is not an acceptable response and will do nothing more than mark you for life as an irredeemable nitwit.

Everyone, I want you to pay careful attention to how the previous post makes no effort at all to address the point I raised. Instead, this moron resorts to lame, unfounded attacks in the desperate hope that no one will notice that he/she/it/what-the-fuck-ever has absolutely no defense against my own well-reasoned attack. This is not an acceptable response and will do nothing more than mark you for life as an irredeemable nitwit.
u know i finally get wat u want me to do.. u want me to get to your level and begin (like alot of people will do with a person like u) insulting u but u know i want coz its the easier way and i dont take easier ways

Also note the use of the holier-than-thou angle. This is also an ineffective tactic commonly used by those who clearly understand that they are overwhelmed by their foe.

The most interesting thing about this particular specimen, however, is its stubborn refusal to clean up its atrocious grammar. Most would at least concede to a minor extent, yet this one seems to be exceptionally offensive, perhaps even taking pleasure in the knowledge that it is a disgrace to its gene pool.

rofl

The most interesting thing about this particular specimen, however, is its stubborn refusal to clean up its atrocious grammar. Most would at least concede to a minor extent, yet this one seems to be exceptionally offensive, perhaps even taking pleasure in the knowledge that it is a disgrace to its gene pool.

Lol. The resident shrine scientist makes use of his knowledge to root out all English language flaws within the human species. :p

Also note the use of the holier-than-thou angle. This is also an ineffective tactic commonly used by those who clearly understand that they are overwhelmed by their foe.

The most interesting thing about this particular specimen, however, is its stubborn refusal to clean up its atrocious grammar. Most would at least concede to a minor extent, yet this one seems to be exceptionally offensive, perhaps even taking pleasure in the knowledge that it is a disgrace to its gene pool.

im not gonna add anything after that coz i realise that an argument with u is pointless coz apparently u r an english teacher or something like that coz ur only intrest from the bigenning of our little argument waz my grammar …
and u just cant let it go while others could and if it makes u feel better i will consider taking english corses coz apparently i cant say my opinion without flawless english
so ur message is "if u have crappy english we dont even want u to have ur freedom of speech"
and i realise that most of conclusions taken out of this thread is ppl hate stereotyping and here u go and make another …

I find it especially interesting that this specimen is perfectly capable of using respectable grammar, yet chooses not to, even after being chided for it. It seems this one does not care about acceptance in the community it has stumbled into. Rather, this one cares almost exclusively for seeing its own thoughts in print, taking no note of others, except those which issue a challenge.

I find it especially interesting that this specimen is perfectly capable of using respectable grammar, yet chooses not to, even after being chided for it. It seems this one does not care about acceptance in the community it has stumbled into. Rather, this one cares almost exclusively for seeing its own thoughts in print, taking no note of others, except those which issue a challenge.

u know i said i wont add anything but loool are u for real…no seriosly im gonna check right now if u said anything in this hole thread concerning the subject descussed and im glad to break ur rules coz i live to surprise ppl and u yourself is a special spicies i didnt know exist
and no.. im sure that ppl gonna read my thoughts and they gonna overlook those small grammatical proplems and understand the jest of it…..coz no one is perfect…

In all seriousness, and I don’t mean this in an offensive way, but it is hard for people to keep up with the stuff you type as it’s hard to make much sense out of it.

Do you use a word processor? It might be worth running a grammar and spell check on your text first, before making posts, to help make your meaning clearer.

In all seriousness, and I don’t mean this in an offensive way, but it is hard for people to keep up with the stuff you type as it’s hard to make much sense out of it.

Do you use a word processor? It might be worth running a grammar and spell check on your text first, before making posts, to help make your meaning clearer.
i appriciate comments that r helpful and i would if i had one and my long argument with park isnt the important thing but my opinion about this thread which i mentioned previously …and thanx again for tryin to help instead of just critisising….coz thats the spirit we need in the world not just forum

I think this thread needs closing. Seriously.

omfg!
what???s going on here? why are you even answering to this "moron".
yeah, that???s the only word he can say! Mr. Moron the English Teacher!^^
if you got a problem with his way of writing, just ignore it!
this thread is about rap-music,isn???t it? so why are you discussing about
such lame shit??? like I wrote at the top…can???t say more about it…OMFG!

i think I posted in this thread earlier already, but I got the feeling I have to
post it again,that all you people who say that rap music sucks, have NO
idea! just because the famous rappers suck, that doesn???t mean, that EVERY
rapper sucks!
here???s a question for all those "metal-freaks":
why are you so into your metal-music? and why do you hate rap?
just give me one GOOD(!!!) reason!
just because a few metal-musicians suck,I don???t say that the whole music genre sucks!
think of it and you know that I am right.
it???s like that racist-shit. many white people think: "oh, there???s a black guy,
I gotta take care, because he will rob and/or kill mefor sure like every black
guy would! they are all the same!" I can???t think of a more stupid and retarded
way to think than this!
kay, that???s way too off-topic, but I had to say it! you should open a thread
where people can discuss this. THIS would be an interesting thread!
think of it!

Geez, here we go AGAIN! Another reason this thread needs to be closed, it just doesn’t go anywhere.

For once, I agree with you completely. It does nothing but draw in the crazies, and while I confess to enjoy their idiotic ranting when they get riled up, we’d all be better off if they never had anything to latch onto in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItjNnzEhMC0

this is the type of rap that usually goes unnoticed by the general public

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfXJ_IUlBA4

there’s no way you can watch that and make some ridiculous generalization like "rap is only about sex drugs and violence" or that all the beats are corny casio keyboard loops.

o_o wow, a lot happened while I was gone.

XD I’m guessing the thread never came up with a compromise?

Heh.

Compromise made me giggle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItjNnzEhMC0

this is the type of rap that usually goes unnoticed by the general public

yea thats the kinda rap i would listen to …

I think this thread needs closing. Seriously.

As I stated a few pages ago.

yea thats the kinda rap i would listen to …

I think the reason why this type of rap gets ignored is because its not "gangsta" or use of excessive foul language

I think the reason why this type of rap gets ignored is because its not "gangsta" or use of excessive foul language

yea…as if there are ppl who want rap (as a part of our culture) to mentain that image…influencing our lives in a negative way…

Niggers be getting all up in yo’ face, Prak.

*smacks.*

Niggers be getting all up in yo’ face, Prak.

*Holds WTF!? ssign*

How can anyone say this is bad. Talib Kweli (http://music.aol.com/video/listen/talib-kweli/1697180) You’ve got to "listen"

Song is so great had to repost,

Well, if you must go there, then go all the way.

Pop: What’s so special about slutty bimbos singing about how rich they are and how much they like to party?

Rock: What’s so special about hearing a grown man moan about love and life?

Metal: What’s so special about hearing some untalented screamer scream his lungs out?

My point being, you can’t generalize on such a large scale.

co-sign, you just cant generalize so much like that

(Huh, my first post in this forum…)

I hate rap. At least, almost all raps that I happen to hear from dorm, school, radio, MTV and city streets. Of course, I’m sure there are "good" raps out there. There’s always few good things to everything.

But I’m not going to go through pile of smelly shit just to find few good rap songs. It’s not worth my time and effort.

I’m not saying there aren’t crappy things to other genres like rock. I love rock and metal, but I can’t stand screamos and mindless growling accompanied by equally mindless blastbeaing in major black/death metal scene. Because that’s not singing, as much as rapping isn’t singing either.

IMHO, music has to have some kind of melody. Rap usually doesn’t accompany any melody, therefore it’s not music in my ears. It’s just some random guy talking fast about things I really don’t care. There are many rock/metal bands that write lyrics on things I don’t care (like Edguy on Trinidad) but at least the ones I listen to can make melodies out of it.

I’m sure rapping takes effort, but hey, guess what? Screaming at top of your lungs through earfucker-blastbeating for 2 hours straight without spitting blood takes effort as well!

And those earfuckers can at least bang on their instruments, sometimes even play them, too. (For example, I really hate Dragonforce, but I have to admit that their guitarist has incredible techniques.)

I simply don’t see how anybody can compare rapping and singing. They are at completely different levels. And hip-hop culture in general, at least the ones that are imitated by kids, disgusts me as much as emo culture does. (Well, at least emo kids know how to speak proper English…)

Rap music is only hated by those who’ve never actually been around, or personally exprienced themselves the things that rappers have been rapping about since the late 80’s. I, myself, have. And that’s why I’ve been listening to rap since I was about 10 years old. I can relate to what’s being told in rap music. But I’m not talking about the shit you guys see on MTV & BET, or what you hear on the radio. I’m referring to the underground rap scene, mainly in my area (Bay Area, Ca). The "hardcore gangsta shit". lol

BUT, I will admit that rap has nothing else to say anymore. It is getting boring. There’s really nothing more for rappers to rap about anymore. They’re just saying the same old shit but using different words. That’s it. And this is why stay bumping the classics; stuff from around ’92 – about 2001, give or take a few recent releases.

"And those earfuckers can at least bang on their instruments, sometimes even play them, too. (For example, I really hate Dragonforce, but I have to admit that their guitarist has incredible techniques.) "

you do realise some rappers can and do play instruments on their songs right, not the majority admitadley, but some do

co-sign, you just cant generalize so much like that
That was the point I was trying to make. -_-;

Rap music is only hated by those who’ve never actually been around, or personally exprienced themselves the things that rappers have been rapping about since the late 80’s. I, myself, have. And that’s why I’ve been listening to rap since I was about 10 years old. I can relate to what’s being told in rap music. But I’m not talking about the shit you guys see on MTV & BET, or what you hear on the radio. I’m referring to the underground rap scene, mainly in my area (Bay Area, Ca). The "hardcore gangsta shit". lol

BUT, I will admit that rap has nothing else to say anymore. It is getting boring. There’s really nothing more for rappers to rap about anymore. They’re just saying the same old shit but using different words. That’s it. And this is why stay bumping the classics; stuff from around ’92 – about 2001, give or take a few recent releases.
I’m a white boy that grew up on a farm in Wisconsin and I can still appreciate hip hop. So I think your theory may be a little off. If you like good music and aren’t some kind of jerk who only listens to one genre you can find rap music that you will like, there’s a lot of good stuff out there and I agree people should start by checking out their local scene.

ITS THE MAINSTREAM ARTISTS FAULT, EVERYONE LOOKS INTO WHATS PORTRAYED ON TELEVISION, AND THEN JUDGE [WHICH I THINK AS A HIP HOP LYRICIST/PRODUCER MYSELF IS A MUTHAFUCKIN SHAME], WHAT THEY DONT SEE IS THAT THERES MORE ARTISTS OUT THERE THAT BRINGS A REAL MESSAGE W/ VERY RELATEABLE LYRICAL CONTENT TO BRING TO THE TABLE, SPEAKING REAL TRUTH, TRYING TO OPEN THE EYES OF THOSE AROUND THEM, BUT THE HIGHER UP COMPANIES ARE ONLY IN IT FOR MARKETING SCHEMES AND A QUICK BUCK, FUCK THEM! BECAUSE AS LONG AS MILLIONS IS INVOLVED, NEVER WILL YOU HEAR A TRUE LYRICST LIKE NAS, OR GHOSTFACE ON THE TV PROBABLY EVER AGAIN BECAUSE ITS BEING DROWNED OUT BY THE TALENTLESS ARTISTS THAT BARELY USE 2% OF THEIR BRAINS [LIL WAYNE, YOUNG JEEZY, YOUNG JOC, LIL JON, G-UNIT…..THE LIST GOES ON]

THERES DOZENS OF REAL TALENTED ARTISTS OUT THERE, BET AND MTV HAS BRAINWASHED THE MASSES INTO THINKING THAT THESE IDIOTS YOU SEE W/ THE SAME EXACT MODELS IN EVERY VIDEO W/ RENTED CARS ARE THE BEST RAPPERS WALKING THE EARTH…….IT SICKENS ME TO NO END

I believe that most people think that "rap" or hip/hop is all about biches and hoes have you ever listened to the the Linkin Park Reanimation album? that has rapping. and it wasn’t bad. I will admit that I am not a strong supporter of rap. i do think that it is a bit over used (some themes). and that a lot of rap artists are complining about what a horrible childhood they had. but Jurassic 5 did a song with The Dave Matthews Band called work it out, which was about a guy get his girlfreind to keep what they had going.
now i make music, though it is all instrumental, it is repetitive. But if some one is good enough with a music program, they can make a song sound brilliantly innovative. alot of rap artists use loop based drum beats. aka drum loops. so the reason that the song is repetive is because the drums repeat over and over. That and the rest of the song soes not blend (disgise) that well. I find that when i listen to music, i pick apart a song. I listen to the drums and the bass one time. then i listen to the guitar or whatever the logical equivalent in the song would be.
But if you are going to hate a genre, hate ohio-emo….. cause noone wants to be emo…..

That was the point I was trying to make. -_-;

yeah, thats why I was agreeing with you

When will people accept the fact that rap music is here to stay and that it is not a fad? Ive never seen so much out right hatred for a genre of music like I have seen for rap. Some even have bumper stickers saying how much they hate it. Am I the only one that thinks that is insane?

When it comes to 99% of radio hip hop, the hatred is justifiable. But when that hatred is placed upon the entire rap genre as a whole (without considering the artists out there who deliver some of the finest lyricism of our day), then I tend to define that as just plain ignorance.

I respect people who say that’s they’re not really into it or it’s not they’re type of music. It’s the people who think their music is superior and I can’t stand anyone who says "that sucks" and thinks their opinion is fact…it annoys the hell out of me.

I honestly don’t think people understand the complexities of legimitate hip hop production.

If you’ve ever listened to Timbaland or Just Blaze or someone like that explain the process that goes into making a single instrumental, you’d be pretty surprised as to how difficult and genuinely elaborate it can be.

Aside from them, there are groups like The Roots, J5 (Jurassic 5) and Atmosphere that utilize live instruments into creating their music. You know, Drums, Bass Guitar, Saxaphone etc.

As far as I know, people that say Rap isn’t real music are contradicting themselves when they say that. That or have they have their head shoved so far up their ass.

Not to mention that the practice and art of Djing alone is music. Rap is music and it’s production is far more complicated than people give it credit for. People think that Rapping isn’t music for whatever God awful reason. Is usually on based on the fact that they don’t like it and have no actual facts to base this opinion on.

Maybe because instead of singing like a Whitney Houston, Marvin Gaye or Celine Dion and just rhyming/rapping is why people think rap is not music. The ability to take words and their prefix’s/suffix’s as well as being able to control cadence and keeping a rhythmic count of the syllables used is far more difficult than you think or know.

Saying that rap isn’t music is implying a fact and with a fact you need to have evidence to support that fact, so my suggestion for those of you that say that something isn’t something, instead of saying just that, why not tell us what it IS, so that we won’t have to argue about what the other person is trying to say.

So, don’t say "rap isn’t music". Say that, "rap is something that I don’t listen to" or "rap is something that I don’t respect" or "I don’t know anything much about rap other than what I hear on the radio".

Sorry for the long post. I felt that I needed to say something else.

*climbs off soapbox and goes back to lurking*

because it makes you want to crawl up into a hole like a mole rat and peal your skin off.

Sciz STFU and eat a dick, it’s already a well established fact that your taste in music is shit. You like Fall Out Boy, enough said.
And you spelled peel wrong.

It’s already been established that this thread needs to die, NOW, before more ignorant fucks come in and pull something else out of their asses.

So people, please, stop responding.

And YOU need to take a chill pill. 😛

Rap music isn’t too much of a great genre for me! Like…there are a few songs (like 2) that i like. It’s not making me energized, plus everyone wears out all the songs in like…2 seconds. That’s why i stick to Trance, Metal, and J-pop!

Everyone wears out all the songs in like…2 seconds. <>
That’s why i stick to Trance, Metal, and J-pop!
Hahahahaha!

And YOU need to take a chill pill. 😛

Nah, I’m perfectly chill. I just don’t have any tolerance for repeated blatant idiocy and ignorance.

Trance, metal, and j-pop? wtf

Nah, I’m perfectly chill. I just don’t have any tolerance for repeated blatant idiocy and ignorance.

Trance, metal, and j-pop? wtf

Congratulations! You win a lead cape!

My major problem with rap is that there’s no variety anymore. Half the songs you hear sound the same and have almost the exact same lyrics.

So, in other words…

It’s bullshit.

RAP = Retards Attempt Poetry

Hahhahha , please stfu. as nobody cares about your opinion, or this thread anymore.

{Ignore this, thanks}

This thread is still going?! ROFL, what did I miss? Any emocides, any flame wars, it’s been too long, you wont remember me but I remember this thread.
I stumbled on the forum again, reformat last month.

Anyway, (from a mainstream point of view, excluding underground) I reckon Rap is probably hated because of the fact something new has come along and has become more popular than it was, gaining more fans, in general a genre is bound to be hated by some of the fans of these other genres. Every genre is hated and loved but this thread aint about that case anymore, it’s fact vs opinion and opinion vs opinion, so I may as well contribute something:

it aint hardcore anymoar.

Yeah they scream but the screams it’s the reason that people go to concerts to loosen up, and be wild, and get drunk, you talk about rock is all bumpin each other…That’s enjoying the show, what do you do in rap concerts, Tilt your head and put your hands in the air? Rap… a rap concert is an hour a guy claiming he is the best that he took a shot and he is still alive, Rock is about Screammming! Havin Fun! Hear great music with different rythms, Pits, Enjoy life, Having fun at concerts … Rock Blows away Rap!
Everyone does that in a a rock concerts? WOW!? Anyways on to the topic,the reason why rap is hated because it’s what you see on tv nowadays and mainstream rappers would make songs about anything.Like this for example,A rap arist named Lil Mama made a song called "Lip Gloss" and you can tell what it’s all about by the title alone.I only hate the new stuff they release and there’s only a few good arists like Kayne West,Common,Lupe Fiasco,and the list goes on.The bottom line is Rap is only a genre,Hip-Hop is a culture.
Rap=Death
Hip-Hop=Life

lol, Escalayer fails. 🙁

Sciz STFU and eat a dick, it’s already a well established fact that your taste in music is shit. You like Fall Out Boy, enough said.
And you spelled peel wrong.

It’s already been established that this thread needs to die, NOW, before more ignorant fucks come in and pull something else out of their asses.

So people, please, stop responding.

im fine with my crap. i just like to pop in with random points partaining to the title of the thread. and ergo, giveing an insightful answer to the origanal question asked. word.

Because BET/MTV, and all these radio stations are playing commercial POP music and calling it Hip-Hop..

The generation coming up doesn’t know what Hip-Hop is..

When Nas named his album Hip-Hop is Dead…everybody suddenly took defense and said "Hip-Hop isn’t dead"

And that is why Hip-Hop still lives..

lol, Escalayer fails. 🙁

and how’s that so?

BUT, I will admit that rap has nothing else to say anymore. It is getting boring. There’s really nothing more for rappers to rap about anymore. They’re just saying the same old shit but using different words. That’s it. And this is why stay bumping the classics; stuff from around ’92 – about 2001, give or take a few recent releases.

Rap really doesn’t say anything of merit these days. What bothers me about rap the most is that it’s all about (from my brother), "Rims, shoes, clothes, and hos". And he knows that what rap is about since many of the kids he graduated from high school with are only concerned about that stuff, not making themselves better.

Mind you, I’m the kind of person that feels BET is the worst thing to ever happen to African-Americans. It’s hard to take BET seriously when 106&Park is just the BET TRL, and then they run those cheap and raunchy videos late at night.

and how’s that so?

It just is.

>.>; long time no see, people.

Oh, and people can sing about whatever they want and still make it a hit. Sometimes it’s the lyrics, sometimes it’s just the beat…whatever helps, I guess.

It just is.

>.>; long time no see, people.

Oh, and people can sing about whatever they want and still make it a hit. Sometimes it’s the lyrics, sometimes it’s just the beat…whatever helps, I guess.

allow me to congratulate you and your wonderful method of reasoning.

allow me to congratulate you and your wonderful method of reasoning.It’s pretty true. When my nephew was younger, when he first started getting into rap, his reasoning for liking certain song was because of the cussing it contained. Now, he mostly get stuff cause of the beats, and gangsta content. Oh well.

I don’t listen to it anymore. Every once in a big while, I’ll get interested in a song because of the beat, then I’ll listen to the words, and I’ll end up liking it more.

I still lean more toward the Old School 80’s early 90’s stuff that i grew up with.

It’s pretty true. When my nephew was younger, when he first started getting into rap, his reasoning for liking certain song was because of the cussing it contained. Now, he mostly get stuff cause of the beats, and gangsta content. Oh well.

I don’t listen to it anymore. Every once in a big while, I’ll get interested in a song because of the beat, then I’ll listen to the words, and I’ll end up liking it more.

I still lean more toward the Old School 80’s early 90’s stuff that i grew up with.

Um, this has to do with my post how? I’m not into rap because of the cussing and vulgar language. I listen to artists like Sage Francis, Pharoahe Monch, and Talib Kweli and stuff because I enjoy their wit, wordplay, and messages.

Were you being sarcastic, or agreeing to Tyger’s post?

I was just giving an example in support of what Tyger said.

Were you being sarcastic, or agreeing to Tyger’s post?

I was just giving an example in support of what Tyger said.

What we have here is a mix up in communications.
I was quoting and referring to tyger’s statement about how I "fail."
I misinterpreted your post as agreeing with said statement and hence here we are now.

Actually it’s Duo who said that you fails, and he’s right. Online conniptions like the ones you so lovingly posted over something so trivial is a sure sign of idiocy. Since you claim to despise stupidity and ignorance, that would also make you a bloody hypocrite, hence the lead cape comment.

People hate rap because it sounds to gangster. It always talks about sex, money and all that killing stuff. personnaly i think its okay

People hate rap because it sounds to gangster. It always talks about sex, money and all that killing stuff. personnaly i think its okayThat’s why people are ignorant. Just like there are variations of Rock, there’s also variations of Rap. Gangster Rap just happend to become more prominate, now there’s different variations of it depending on what part of the US it’s from.

i’ve always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos, so they obviously knew what it would mean. the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn’t need to be allowed in public in the first place. if i made a rap song aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don’t understand it? well, i don’t get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media’s callin it.

so please tell me, why don’t you like rap? if you like, post your theories anyway.

i grew up listening to everything:Rap, rock, jazz, pop, etc.ve always loved rap but now with most of the rap thats out now its pure garbage.For instance:Huey, Hurricane,Da shop boyz, Crime mob, DJ Webstar, etc. I only have a handful of rappers I listen to now.Redman,Lupe Fiasco,Tre Hardson,The Pharcyde,Bone Thugs,Termanology,etc.I’ve grown out of the little party/club songs that i loved in high school.

Actually it’s Duo who said that you fails, and he’s right. Online conniptions like the ones you so lovingly posted over something so trivial is a sure sign of idiocy. Since you claim to despise stupidity and ignorance, that would also make you a bloody hypocrite, hence the lead cape comment.

Disregard every post I’ve made within the last few months or so.

Mind you, I’m the kind of person that feels BET is the worst thing to ever happen to African-Americans. It’s hard to take BET seriously when 106&Park is just the BET TRL, and then they run those cheap and raunchy videos late at night.

BET Uncut has been cancelled for like 2 years now.

I dunno about you, but christian rap is a hit in the churches and it’s almost as common as the gangsta rap.

Christian rap is not a hit in churches, maybe christian concerts/conventions but not churches.

BET Uncut has been cancelled for like 2 years now.

Shows that I didn’t like BET’s format enough to keep watching the network.

Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that a majority of what’s being shown is the rims/shoes/clothes/hoes music, and that’s really misleading since there’s so much more to hip-hop and rap than Young Jeezy.

True indeed.

Christian rap is not a hit in churches, maybe christian concerts/conventions but not churches.Wouldn’t be surprised, but still, if you think about it the whole concept of Christian Rap or Rock is quite hypocritical!

It doesn’t change the fact that a majority of what’s being shown is the rims/shoes/clothes/hoes music, and that’s really misleading.Well, what do you expect, ever since Rap got accepted on MTV it’s gone down the drain, showing the spectacle rather than the message aspect.

The problem with BET is the fact that they contradict themselves. They try sending the positive message, yet they reinforce the commercial side since they need the funding. Not necessarily selling out, but give and take.

OOPS, double post!

listen to saul williams,hes pretty good.

just saying

The problem with BET is the fact that they contradict themselves. They try sending the positive message, yet they reinforce the commercial side since they need the funding. Not necessarily selling out, but give and take.

There is absolutely nothing positive about BET nor have they tried to send out any positive images of or messages about black people.

And I’ll give you a PERFECT example of a contradiction: Al Sharpton at the BET Awards.

There is absolutely nothing positive about BET nor have they tried to send out any positive images of or messages about black people.

And I’ll give you a PERFECT example of a contradiction: Al Sharpton at the BET Awards.I forgot what the show was called, but it was about the history of Hip Hop, and it seemed very positive to me.

but yeah, there’s a lot of shows that are very stereotypical, but apparently it’s okay when black people stereotype black people!

Because it makes Hairless Mole Rats grow hair. Which…… was just not meant to be…

Rap is hated? o_o Rap is like…everywhere. There’s like no pop anymore because all mainstream music is slowly turning into hip-hop. Aside from Rock. That’s to me anyway. *_*

Anywho, I don’t like rap because I can’t compare to it. It doesn’t appeal to who I am and my nature. It may be the same for most people who dislike it. But I do like the beats though.

Because BET/MTV, and all these radio stations are playing commercial POP music and calling it Hip-Hop..

The generation coming up doesn’t know what Hip-Hop is..

When Nas named his album Hip-Hop is Dead…everybody suddenly took defense and said "Hip-Hop isn’t dead"

And that is why Hip-Hop still lives..

Besides this reason, idiots like MTV/BET/VH1, and all these radio stations out there are trying to appeal to the average "pop-culture" loser, instead of real music enthusiasts…

It’s no wonder FM radio, and even internet radio (eventually due to rising royalty fees by 1200% come July 15th) will always be unlistenable until God says no more and destroys Earth for our ignorance and stupidity.

-ShaqZero- Grow a pair, Repent, REPENT!!! BOYCOTT THE RADIO!!!

Ehhhhn.. Who The Fuck Cares anyway? Not my problem…

I only Listen to video game music now as my primary anyway…

-ShaqZero- Video Game Music Kicks ass. Always will!!!

Rap is hated? o_o Rap is like…everywhere. There’s like no pop anymore because all mainstream music is slowly turning into hip-hop. Aside from Rock. That’s to me anyway. *_*

Must be talking about that cruddy "southern hip-hop" sound that a good number of mainstream artists (term used loosely) have adopted to make a quick buck.

The nails were already in the coffin for hip-hop but the now popular southern sub-genre hammered them in and buried it.

I only Listen to video game music now as my primary anyway…

I’m getting to that point, too. It’s usually a game OST, arrange or remix unless I’m running the radio tuned to classical, jazz, or NPR.

That’s not to say I don’t run something mainstream from time to time.

I still believe that people hate rap music because it’s all about rims, shoes, clothes and hos. There’s not a whole lot positive or constructive in the mainstreamed rap that most of America hears.

Exactly! Totally agree!

My disdain for rap simply comes from the fact that I find it annoying and grating. I want to hear people singing, not talking over a three-measure drum loop with a "Waaanh waaaanh…" sound in the background. If you like that, that’s your own business, just don’t blast it next door while I’m trying to sleep. If you’ll excuse me, I have some Billy Idol to listen to.

I also hate it when they take a song that I like and cannibalize it for their own use. I really like Breakfast in America, I own it on vinyl. But Gym Class Heroes almost ruined it for me with their ripoff of it. I stopped hating vaguely faithful covers (damn you, Lenny Kravitz!) quite so much when I heard this song. Ugh.

I don’t necessarily hate the style with a big enough passion to exclude all songs, though. Weird Al does some pretty silly rap songs that I enjoy. But that’s just how I see the genre – silly as hell. So if I see a really silly rap song, I might laugh and move on, but am I going to view it as a legitimate piece of well-written music? No…just, no.

I just dislike rap culture. The lyrics aren’t inspiring and they don’t teach lessons like in the early days of rap. They just teach me to treat women like hos and to pop a cap in anyone who fux with my shit, yo!

I like the beats though.

My disdain for rap simply comes from the fact that I find it annoying and grating. I want to hear people singing, not talking over a three-measure drum loop with a "Waaanh waaaanh…" sound in the background. If you like that, that’s your own business, just don’t blast it next door while I’m trying to sleep. If you’ll excuse me, I have some Billy Idol to listen to.

I also hate it when they take a song that I like and cannibalize it for their own use. I really like Breakfast in America, I own it on vinyl. But Gym Class Heroes almost ruined it for me with their ripoff of it. I stopped hating vaguely faithful covers (damn you, Lenny Kravitz!) quite so much when I heard this song. Ugh.I agree, I hate hearing it when I’m trying to get some sleep! Unless it’s a party and the weekend, then it’s understandable.

As for sampling rock songs, I hate them unless done right.
Example: RunDMC’s "Walk This Way" is Great.
P. Diddy’s "Come With Me" (Led Zep’s Kashmir sample) Hate it with a passion. Some are bad, and other are awesome. It just depends on how its done.

I don’t necessarily hate the style with a big enough passion to exclude all songs, though. Weird Al does some pretty silly rap songs that I enjoy. But that’s just how I see the genre – silly as hell. So if I see a really silly rap song, I might laugh and move on, but am I going to view it as a legitimate piece of well-written music? No…just, no.So you’ll give credit to a novelty mock of the genre, rather than actually try and listen to a good rap song. That’s just close mindedness. That’s the same like my friends who love Rap, can’t stand Rock because "all they do is just yell!"
I still managed to set them straight, and now they even like some rock songs.

Setting down tracks isn’t as easy as you think it is. Sampling and Dubbing are pretty hard to do. Just like orchestrating instruments in a song, you have to have a good ear to get a good sound. Regardless of the words, look at anything produced by Dr.Dre, his tracks are seamless & flawless (you can’t tell where the cuts are). This goes the same with Electronica music. Just by listening to it, you can tell what DJs are good and which just suck.

One more reason could be: Because it’s not the most popular form of music anymore and it usually seen as 1337 or cool or something to see the dominant genre of a previous era as "gay, crap, shit, bollocks, bad, uncreative" and all that kind of stuff.

Obviously I’m a dirty moshing rocking metalhead teenager. I’m biased by default.

Rap nowadays suck…….some people from back in the day are doing good tho

What I mean is that rap in the 90s was the shit, because it was new styles and flows and it was a competition kinda….now
*sighs*

It’s all about getting crunk and shit

I was born in Compton and now I live in the "ATL" and it’s fuckin depressing…..I mean it’s okay to get crunk and act a fool….but at get2gethers and parties….not all the time

over here….Thta’s all they do….dance and get crunk and shit

Rap now all have instructions on what to do
Move to ya left…do this….crank that…I like the beats and shit..but at fuckin parties and shit…not walking down the street or in church….yes in church..some do…hell now they are trying to mix the 2 together….gospel and "ATL music"…noooooooo

I wanna go back to Cali, every week there is a new song with the same shit in the verses..just maybe a new step or phase and a similar new beat that sounds like the others

That’s why I stick with the old stuff

Rap nowadays is bringing the black community down even more sadly…..oh yeah…I’m 4nowlaters

It’s so dumb, i mean anyone can do it, & there music beats are totally crap i mean why can’t they think of anything new to add besides the same beat all of the time…every rap song sounds the same.

Rap is hated? o_o Rap is like…everywhere. There’s like no pop anymore because all mainstream music is slowly turning into hip-hop. Aside from Rock. That’s to me anyway. *_*

Anywho, I don’t like rap because I can’t compare to it. It doesn’t appeal to who I am and my nature. It may be the same for most people who dislike it. But I do like the beats though.

See? THis person gets it. Its not just about the lyrics (Although its a large part of it). When people hear the words "rap" or "Hip-hop" odds are 10-1 that the first thing that comes to their minds are "bitches, hos, fuck the police, and bling"

Ironicly, thats what mainly being shown.

for me the only good modern day rap i hear are in movies like: you got served and stomp the yard. any other rap i can’t stand because it gives me the biggest headachem, i love rock end of story, lol

^^^you got served? stomp the yard? lol dat ish SUCKS its all the major labels fault, its all about the money, learning the newest dance, clubbin, cars and gettin a groupie cluckheadz affection…… no one is tryin to teach the youth and open the eyes of the public anymore….. fuck da mainstream and radio stations, i personally look for strictly independent artists, theyre hard to find but theyre out there. way better content like the early 90s ish

Wow, if you think rap is all about cars, degrading women & blings. Then, you listen to Del, Talib Kweli, Jurassic 5, Common, Pharoah Monch, Canibus, Killah Priest, Ras Kass, Outkast, Blackalicious, Bone Thugs, etc…….

it’s probably hated because rap music is more like raw vulgar poetry than music.

I stabbed a hooker in the face
blah blah blah
stepped on a rake
etc etc

I molested a goose
blah blah blah
seemed pretty loose…

This thread has become pointless. I wish some Mod would close it. It’s just getting ridiculous.

This thread is pointless, I wish some Mod would close it. It’s just getting ridiculous.

There are many, many worse and more pointless threads than this one. This one is basically bashing anything African.

Like AFRICAN HEALTHCARE WTF?!

it’s probably hated because rap music is more like raw vulgar poetry than music.

I stabbed a hooker in the face
blah blah blah
stepped on a rake
etc etc

I molested a goose
blah blah blah
seemed pretty loose…

unce unce unce
i’d hit that
bloop bloop bloop
take that back

Sorry. Couldnt help myself with adding to it.

There are many, many worse and more pointless threads than this one. This one is basically bashing anything African.

Like AFRICAN HEALTHCARE WTF?!
Lol, said the CANADIAN guy. *Winks*

it’s probably hated because rap music is more like raw vulgar poetry than music.

I stabbed a hooker in the face
blah blah blah
stepped on a rake
etc etc

I molested a goose
blah blah blah
seemed pretty loose…

unce unce unce
i’d hit that
bloop bloop bloop
take that back

Cruise the internet on my high-speed modem
*Pew pew pew.*
Porn is great, it tickles my scrotum

Sorry. Couldnt help myself with adding to it.

Guilty as charged, too.

Hey, as far as I’m concerned you guys are at least as talented as any rap star out there to date. It’s amazing how little time it takes to arrange a song when you don’t have to play the instruments or write any melodies.

Haha, modem+scrotum=genius. You won’t see 50 cent coming up with quality stuff like that. AFRICAN HEALTHCARE FTW!

It’s amazing how little time it takes to arrange a song when you don’t have to play the instruments or write any melodies.

You’d be shocked into how much time and effort goes into a lot hip-hop tracks, but you have to look beyond what’s presented to you from mainstream outlets. There’s a lot of great stuff out there not being played on MTV, the radio, etc.

And oh, as for that "don’t play instruments" comment, you really should look into a hip-hop group called The Roots. A simple Google search will instantly prove you wrong.

This thread has become pointless. I wish some Mod would close it. It’s just getting ridiculous.

I agree that it’s time to send it off.

i don’t like RAP, because it doesn’t have a good message(im black LOL of course)
i love hip-hop though because we get to go against oppression that way but honestly my people what happened to the good ol rock n’ roll we invented,(jimi hendrix,e.t.c)i don’t appreciate rap at all, theres a difference between hip-hop and rap(its hard to explain)

with all of that said im a huge fan of j-music,punk,house music,and (Asian and euro music)and alternative in general i don’t listen to rap anymore

one thing i must add is not all rock is great for example listen to fall out boy,then listen to madina lake….they sound the same right? now go listen to the smashing pumpkins,and van halen get my drift?the thing about new rock bands I HATE SO MUCH IS they think they can just get out a guitar and talk about how life sucks and they’re getting a record deal…well they SHOULD NOT!!! the reason why is because rock isn’t all about hate and sorrow rock is about freedom and love for your fans and crew,(sometimes bashing the establishment,but metal took care of that for us thank you metal!!!) and also (no offense)those gay names like the academy is…WTF (don’t get me wrong i like some of they’re music)don’t think im done yet rap your next rap i hate that you can’t talk about something great besides the fact that you rode on 35 women last night or how you robbed that motherfucker’s house last night,its the same thing even Ice-T can do a better job than you you think your so cool just because you got shot 20 times (id be messed up if i got shot that many times and lived) and one last thing whats up with those GAY names like:lil’ boosie ,or 50 CENT,and lil’ mama you sound like trash with those names at least have a cool group name god……..my piece is in any questions?

id just like to say even tho nigga stole my bike, Bill cosby does make me laugh

my piece is in any questions?

Yes. Just what in the hell was that post?

Guys, I just had an epiphany. This fucking thread has been going on for two years, and it’s now going in circles, stick it in the archive, and close this bitch down.

Guys, I just had an epiphany. This fucking thread has been going on for two years, and it’s now going in circles, stick it in the archive, and close this bitch down.

Good advice, from Ricky The Great.

It’s jungle beat for retard niggers.>:O

It’s jungle beat for retard niggers.>:O

hahahahhahahaha. I find it funny how far africans have come from their roots. All they had is drums and yelping in africa, you give them a synthesizer and they think they’re the king of music.

lolol i make sum smart racist remark so i am so kool now

Now THAT’S being a true nigger.

CLOSE THIS YOU LAZY MODS.

hahahahhahahaha. I find it funny how far africans have come from their roots. All they had is drums and yelping in africa, you give them a synthesizer and they think they’re the king of music.Yes because yelping to electric guitar of nonsensical stories is all the rage.

hahahahhahahaha. I find it funny how far africans have come from their roots. All they had is drums and yelping in africa, you give them a synthesizer and they think they’re the king of music.
That’s funny, cause if it wasn’t for Blacks putting soul into music, pop culture as we know it, wouldn’t be the same.

That’s funny, cause if it wasn’t for Blacks putting soul into music, pop culture as we know it, wouldn’t be the same.

You’re absolutely right. Imagine how good our cultural aesthetic qualities would been…had we put them all violently to death the way we should have…

Compare for a moment the contributions of Africa to that of a modernized european nation. If the Africans got their way, they would spread everywhere contaminating the planet with HIV.

Pollution and global warming are problems. But Black music/culture should be put to rest first.

Oh hell….. its the Maester race again.

Signed, Jesus was not white

You’re absolutely right. Imagine how good our cultural aesthetic qualities would been…had we put them all violently to death the way we should have…

Compare for a moment the contributions of Africa to that of a modernized european nation. If the Africans got their way, they would spread everywhere contaminating the planet with HIV.

Pollution and global warming are problems. But Black music/culture should be put to rest first.Sorry my friend, That’s not what I was talking about.
With out Blacks, we wouldn’t have Blues, Jazz, Swing, and any other contributor to Rock.

and since you want to go there, Europe wouldn’t be any where if it hadn’t been for Africa.

Anyways

Get your facts straight:

Study REAL history and not just the stuff that suits your way of thinking!

OR

Keep living in denial about everything, step aside and let the world go on with out your backward way of thought.

word

I like good rap: Mac Dre, N.W.A, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Nas, and etc… I hate the mainstream rap a lot.

Y-Y-Y-Y-YAYAH!

I like good rap: Mac Dre, N.W.A, Outkast, Goodie Mob, Nas, and etc… I hate the mainstream rap a lot.
LMAO!!!
Can anyone else see the contradiction?

30treei8, don’t worry, I know what you meant! 😎

You’re absolutely right. Imagine how good our cultural aesthetic qualities would been…had we put them all violently to death the way we should have…

Compare for a moment the contributions of Africa to that of a modernized european nation. If the Africans got their way, they would spread everywhere contaminating the planet with HIV.

Pollution and global warming are problems. But Black music/culture should be put to rest first.

Some years ago, I spent a delightful few months in Canada. Where were they hiding an ignorant pissmop like you?

With out Blacks, we wouldn’t have Blues, Jazz, Swing, and any other contributor to Rock.

Indeed: No black music = no Elvis, no Beatles or Stones (all of whom started out covering Black originals in the days of musical Jim Crow.) No Elvis, Beatles or Stones means pretty much no "white" rock or pop at all, as most bands rightly claim them as an influence.

I respect the blacks for coming up with their own music, I don’t mind blacks one bit. Hearing too much of it (Rap/Hip-Hop) is a pain in the ass to deal with though. Its all about the same 4 or 5 things: sex, money, women, streets, gangs and other people its gets kinda annoying and old after about 1 song or 2. What I really really hate is white people taking this music and basically turning it as their own, double that annoyance except its with a white person, example: K-Fed, Eminem and all of them. They are nothing but die-hard wannabes that are just ripping off from the blacks once again, black people don’t go to rock music too much…Just hate the whites gaying up the genre and I’m white so I’m slightly ashamed..

I respect the blacks for coming up with their own music

I’d wager they appreciate that. A lot.

Its all about the same 4 or 5 things: sex, money, women, streets, gangs and other people its gets kinda annoying and old after about 1 song or 2.

Pharcyde, De La Soul, Guru, Arrested Development, Dr. Octagon , The Fugees… and the beat goes on…

Double post. Evidently.

I respect the blacks for coming up with their own music, I don’t mind blacks one bit. Hearing too much of it (Rap/Hip-Hop) is a pain in the ass to deal with though. Its all about the same 4 or 5 things: sex, money, women, streets, gangs and other people its gets kinda annoying and old after about 1 song or 2. What I really really hate is white people taking this music and basically turning it as their own, double that annoyance except its with a white person, example: K-Fed, Eminem and all of them. They are nothing but die-hard wannabes that are just ripping off from the blacks once again, black people don’t go to rock music too much…Just hate the whites gaying up the genre and I’m white so I’m slightly ashamed..I don’t like Eminem, but at least he has street cred that isn’t fake. K-fed on the other hand, is another story.
I was seeing the recent interview Kid Rock did on Larry King, and he said some pretty interesting things. He pretty much said that Hip Hop is for everyone, and it doesn’t mean you have to act like a hip hop stereotype by pretending you’re from the "hood". If you want respect, you just be true and act like yourself.

As for Black rockers, there’s quite a few:
Aside from Lenny Kravitz, and Prince,
Living Colour, Bad Brains, Bodycount, Skindred, Hepcat, Fishbone, Killswitch Engage, God Forbid, Sevendust, Incubus, Dave Mathews Band, The Specials…

…I could go on!

Ahh Prince. David Bowie for black people.

Not that I don’t love it anyway.

i support pokerap 100%

rap on

Which is worse more rap or more Paris Hilton crap hogging up the airwaves. Personally I could listen to an entire Too Short album twice over that "Turn it up" song! 😡

She has songs now??

Guys, I just had an epiphany. This fucking thread has been going on for two years, and it’s now going in circles, stick it in the archive, and close this bitch down.

Which is worse more rap or more Paris Hilton crap hogging up the airwaves. Personally I could listen to an entire Too Short album twice over that "Turn it up" song! 😡

"These are the tales, the freaky tales, these are the tales that i tell so well"

Signed, T. Short

I used to like rap…but now I can’t stand the crap. Sex, money, hoes. If you heard one song, you heard them all. Except good hip hop like Theory Hazit or Chalwell. But besides that, rap is garbage.

It forced me to look elsewhere for music now I listen to Metal such as As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engaged, Blessed the Fall etc.

I used to like rap…but now I can’t stand the crap. Sex, money, hoes. If you heard one song, you heard them all. Except good hip hop like Theory Hazit or Chalwell. But besides that, rap is garbage.

err… Theory Haz… good?

Man, rap, hip hop, and all these generalizations….. As a whole, commercial music is not that good these days. But calling a whole genre crap, is crap. Good music is all about time, place and how you interpret it. I dont recall a beastie boys song about b!tches money or hoes…. Tribe Called Quest, Gangstarr, Common…. There are too many good artists that you or I have never and probably heard of to call anyone genre crap.

That said…. mainstream hip-hop these days does suck

"I got money in the bank, shorty watcha thank"

err… Theory Haz… good?

Man, rap, hip hop, and all these generalizations….. As a whole, commercial music is not that good these days. But calling a whole genre crap, is crap. Good music is all about time, place and how you interpret it. I dont recall a beastie boys song about b!tches money or hoes…. Tribe Called Quest, Gangstarr, Common…. There are too many good artists that you or I have never and probably heard of to call anyone genre crap.

That said…. mainstream hip-hop these days does suck

"I got money in the bank, shorty watcha thank"

I feel you…but for ever one Good record Gangstarr, Common, and Tribe Called Quest had, you have 20,000 souljah boy song for each one. Think about this.
You can buy a complete 4 minute song for .99 cents. Or pay $1.99 for a 30 second ringtone…something is wrong with that…

Yea, there is a lot of shite out there.

I recently started listening to Murs n 9th Wonder, pretty solid.

I agree with you dicodan, I just wish hip hop would get back to the way it was

Rapper’s Delight on repeat will remedy the situation.

Rapper’s Delight on repeat will remedy the situation.

"Have you ever been over a friends house to eat, and the food jus aint no good"
"I mean the macaroni salad n peas are mush and the chicken taste like wood"

So you try and play it off like you think you can by sayin’ that you’re full,
and then your friend says "Mama, he’s just being polite. He ain’t finished. Uh-uh, that’s bull!"

hA!!

Im changing my name to Wonder Mike today!

errr was is Wonder Mic……….

Well, I can’t stand rap because it concentrates way too much in lyrics instead of MUSIC. I also prefer instrumental music anyway, so rap is definently not for me.

Rap sings about violence to much and when kids hear that stuff they think commiting crimes like pistol whipping someone is neat.Pretty much kids without direction who in thier strugle to be noticed or different end up like all the rest,followers and not leaders.Making a living off of selling woman drugs and peoples property all while carrying a gun and acting tough or #1 may sound neat until u eat a bullet just for ur sneakers.The rich white man loves rap while saying he hates it cause it takes down the black man in a way.Kids without fathers listen to those actors like 50 and take it literal its like wrestling its real but its not completly real its buissness.No one is really beefing all the time it sells records just like tu pac dying did with his over 50 songs about him dying coming out the next day.You know how many fights probly happened in the world for they could make money everyone was like east coast west coast bla bla money bla.Kids were on the streets beating the shit out of eachother because of wwf slash rap entertainment.I feel for the communities that get crapped on and the kids who cant play outside like there in jail even before there 18.To be above influence of others is to be a real man in my opinion.I may not be right on this all its just an opinion.

they just make no sense.

Rap sings about violence to much and when kids hear that stuff they think commiting crimes like pistol whipping someone is neat.Pretty much kids without direction who in thier strugle to be noticed or different end up like all the rest,followers and not leaders.Making a living off of selling woman drugs and peoples property all while carrying a gun and acting tough or #1 may sound neat until u eat a bullet just for ur sneakers.The rich white man loves rap while saying he hates it cause it takes down the black man in a way.Kids without fathers listen to those actors like 50 and take it literal its like wrestling its real but its not completly real its buissness.No one is really beefing all the time it sells records just like tu pac dying did with his over 50 songs about him dying coming out the next day.You know how many fights probly happened in the world for they could make money everyone was like east coast west coast bla bla money bla.Kids were on the streets beating the shit out of eachother because of wwf slash rap entertainment.I feel for the communities that get crapped on and the kids who cant play outside like there in jail even before there 18.To be above influence of others is to be a real man in my opinion.I may not be right on this all its just an opinion.
That’s mass generalization, I could say Rock is a bunch of desperate, depressed emos, mashing Electric Guitar chords, but that’s only one form. Do background research before you just come from your high-horse saying, blah, blah, violence, fatherless, children, kids without direction, There’s more to rap, then what you’re portraying, even mainstream rap has evolved pass Gangsta Rap.

Well, I can’t stand rap because it concentrates way too much in lyrics instead of MUSIC. I also prefer instrumental music anyway, so rap is definitely not for me. Not entirely true there are some great songs with instrumental scores, Try some Kanye West songs, from Late Registration.

because like the blues, it sucks

oh!
They all take about sex, money, women, and gold chains
They always repeat the beat
They think they’re cool
They have NO reputation (so THIS is why they act like rappers)
They sound like posers because of the repeative beats taken from other rap songs and music, and take some lyrics from it too

oh!
They all take about sex, money, women, and gold chains
They always repeat the beat
They think they’re cool
They have NO reputation (so THIS is why they act like rappers)
They sound like posers because of the repeative beats taken from other rap songs and music, and take some lyrics from it too

What he said.

what SHE said, to correct you

what SHE said, to correct you

Oops. Sorry.

no worries.
but suspiciously…THEY ARE NERDS IN DISGUISE!

Because The voices told me so! Yo.

?_?

oh!
They all take about sex, money, women, and gold chains
They always repeat the beat
They think they’re cool
They have NO reputation (so THIS is why they act like rappers)
They sound like posers because of the repeative beats taken from other rap songs and music, and take some lyrics from it too

Who doesn’t talk about sex, money, and women? Nobody cares about gold chains.
Listen to some real music, you ass-twat,
Self-delusion is a huge part of modern day music
You make no sense, Nobody acts like a rapper, can some body act like a football player? No, either you are or you aren’t.
You sound like an ass because, you are mass generalizing an entire genre because, you listen to shitty music.
Also sentence structure motherfucker, do you use it?

rappers act like aggressive image obsessed immature dickheads because of the ‘personality’ and picture they’ve conjured and grown around them from growing up in a ghetto somewhere and being involved in all the desperate street lifestyles surrounding their hopeless, pointless sprawling urban jungle of shit; gang violence and drug taking or distribution and trying to foster an identity for their particular rundown shithole; then they talk really fast about it all or yell some rubbish really quickly, or both, in a recording studio with some label and production arseholes who think that will be some sort of positive influence on other kids in similar situations, or perhaps are just cold blooded, smart rats and know they’ll make a lot of moolah out of it and get some more rep and exposure in the process. sometimes, they’ll bleat like peter andre with a computer shoved up his arse about licking nipples and buying houses with champagne water and ivory tvs, or some fit bint they want to shag, and call it r’n’b

these fucking rappers then become rich, buy homes and enter the elite circuit, bringing their fucking attitudes and beefs with them, as well as their specific type of arrogant ‘culture’. and their enormous, vast and all-coloured myriad of dangerously shitbrained fans, never-ending in supply because of the vast range of different lifestyles and neighbourhoods and circumstances all over the world, support the careers of these fuckings cunts by transcribing their ‘culture’ back onto the streets and glamourising the absolute cuntwaste they ‘sing’ about. its the fucking fans that glamourise it.

no music genre is without its problems and detriments and shitfaced dickheads, but rap, and r’n’b, and dancehall, and uk garage and all that fucking shit, which can lets be honest be pigeonholed into one big genre because its all essentially the same and is all interconnected, is by far the biggest insult to music. its all tacky, throwaway, talentless, dangerous, inciteful, substanceless, ‘stylish’ rubbish.

of course i’ve completely ignored all the honest, hard working kids who’ve tried to sing about genuinly relevant things, or who’ve tried to rap poetry or about issues to make people really think, or haven’t followed the bandwagon, or haven’t embraced or immersed themselves in the network and lifestyle im talking about, or who simply dont sound like talentless wired lookatme faggots. i even confess to liking the odd song and artist. i think some of tupacs music is genuinly good and interesting, and alicia keys early output is wonderful. but generally, it’s a shit medium.

one last thing, rap music isn’t hated, the majority of people, which by extension implies that most people are fucking dickheads, love rap music and some live by it.

A good chunk of popular Rap today isn’t moral to me. I like behaving as a Christian should as best I can. Can’t really do that to well if I listened to BET.

rappers act like aggressive image obsessed immature dickheads because of the ‘personality’ and picture they’ve conjured and grown around them from growing up in a ghetto somewhere and being involved in all the desperate street lifestyles surrounding their hopeless, pointless sprawling urban jungle of shit; gang violence and drug taking or distribution and trying to foster an identity for their particular rundown shithole; then they talk really fast about it all or yell some rubbish really quickly, or both, in a recording studio with some label and production arseholes who think that will be some sort of positive influence on other kids in similar situations, or perhaps are just cold blooded, smart rats and know they’ll make a lot of moolah out of it and get some more rep and exposure in the process. sometimes, they’ll bleat like peter andre with a computer shoved up his arse about licking nipples and buying houses with champagne water and ivory tvs, or some fit bint they want to shag, and call it r’n’b

these fucking rappers then become rich, buy homes and enter the elite circuit, bringing their fucking attitudes and beefs with them, as well as their specific type of arrogant ‘culture’. and their enormous, vast and all-coloured myriad of dangerously shitbrained fans, never-ending in supply because of the vast range of different lifestyles and neighbourhoods and circumstances all over the world, support the careers of these fuckings cunts by transcribing their ‘culture’ back onto the streets and glamourising the absolute cuntwaste they ‘sing’ about. its the fucking fans that glamourise it.

no music genre is without its problems and detriments and shitfaced dickheads, but rap, and r’n’b, and dancehall, and uk garage and all that fucking shit, which can lets be honest be pigeonholed into one big genre because its all essentially the same and is all interconnected, is by far the biggest insult to music. its all tacky, throwaway, talentless, dangerous, inciteful, substanceless, ‘stylish’ rubbish.

of course i’ve completely ignored all the honest, hard working kids who’ve tried to sing about genuinly relevant things, or who’ve tried to rap poetry or about issues to make people really think, or haven’t followed the bandwagon, or haven’t embraced or immersed themselves in the network and lifestyle im talking about, or who simply dont sound like talentless wired lookatme faggots. i even confess to liking the odd song and artist. i think some of tupacs music is genuinly good and interesting, and alicia keys early output is wonderful. but generally, it’s a shit medium.

one last thing, rap music isn’t hated, the majority of people, which by extension implies that most people are fucking dickheads, love rap music and some live by it.

You’re labeling people you know and listen to, I can assure you rappers don’t act like that. Just because a monkey or two jumps off a cliff, doesn’t make jumping off a cliff a monkey’s trait. Mass-Generalization, is pure, hypocrisy. You are just digging fuck out of the radio, and eating it for supper, You say it’s talentless, can you do better, can you write poetry and recite it to a beat, can you align your lyrics and your beat simultaneously, can you do this off the top of your head. If you said yes to any of this one you are a got damned liar. If you want to slam a genre it takes much more than flpiping on a radio, and saying this sucks, and bitching on a forum, do some research, listen to old skool, underground, some unoffical, and unsigned rappers.

As far a R’n’B, once again do research, what I’ve derived from your post is, I listen to garbage, for about a minute make snap judgnments on somethings I just dn’t know what the fuck I’m talking about, but since I’ve heard, so it MUST be true.

TK, Mandi, Sarah, someone, please, for the love of all that is tranny, close this bitch down!

shit spewed by some idiot who probably wears oversized clothes

they dont play instruments. ergo, they are, in comparison to real musicians, talentless.

it’s NOT poetry. the vast majority of mainstream rap, well pretty much all of it, is not poetry. it’s fucking insulting to real poetry to label it poetry.

my post accounted for the the unsigned, underground, old school, interesting and clever etc. rappers that i ignored.

i dont think you know what the fuck you’re talking about, to be honest.

TK, Mandi, Sarah, someone, please, for the love of all that is tranny, close this bitch down!

sorry, i saw the topic and felt compelled to post my thoughts.

I like the clothing.

they dont play instruments. ergo, they are, in comparison to real musicians, talentless.

it’s NOT poetry. the vast majority of mainstream rap, well pretty much all of it, is not poetry. it’s fucking insulting to real poetry to label it poetry.

my post accounted for the the unsigned, underground, old school, interesting and clever etc. rappers that i ignored.

i dont think you know what the fuck you’re talking about, to be honest.

sorry, i saw the topic and felt compelled to post my thoughts.

Producer/Rappers like Pharel, DrDre and Kanye are artists and musicians in thier own rite, they play instruments (piano, guitar, bass, sax)and or write the score to the music u hate. Even manipulate the samples they "steal" so that something you’ve probably hear before, sound like nothing you’ve heard before.

Speaking of Poetry, many artists like MosDef, and even Tupac have been published in several literary journals. If these people lived in your hood, they probably would be writing too much about sex n violence, errr but maybe why their parents neglected them as kids…. and thats why we have rock!

Joke!

Just say its not for you, just like i can say i dont like country music, not because i think its some southern white american stereotype… i just dont care for it, it doesnt talk to me and i cant relate.

they dont play instruments. ergo, they are, in comparison to real musicians, talentless.

it’s NOT poetry. the vast majority of mainstream rap, well pretty much all of it, is not poetry. it’s fucking insulting to real poetry to label it poetry.

my post accounted for the the unsigned, underground, old school, interesting and clever etc. rappers that i ignored.

i dont think you know what the fuck you’re talking about, to be honest.

sorry, i saw the topic and felt compelled to post my thoughts.

1) Because pop singers can play instruments? That’s incredibly uninformed.

2) how is it not poetry? there is a rhythm a, rhyme scheme, and a body.

3)I don’t think you know what the fuck you’re talking about for real, You say it’s all subjective, and portrays a violent, and vain image, then you say you accounted for those whom I said, you have falsely portrayed. I’ve been listening to all types of music since birth, I’m not subjective to anyone, but you seem hell-bent on ostracizing Rap and R’n’B.

*Further….

On most rap albums theres usually a song or 2 about trading in all the money & success for having a normal life without the violence and madness.

1) Because pop singers can play instruments? That’s incredibly uninformed.

2) how is it not poetry? there is a rhythm a, rhyme scheme, and a body.

3)I don’t think you know what the fuck you’re talking about for real, You say it’s all subjective, and portrays a violent, and vain image, then you say you accounted for those whom I said, you have falsely portrayed. I’ve been listening to all types of music since birth, I’m not subjective to anyone, but you seem hell-bent on ostracizing Rap and R’n’B.

1) i dont listen to fucking pop, that genre is a general insult to music.

2) i consider poetry to be original, emotive, affecting, relevant, interesting usage of words, and mainstream rap is not that, it’s the same couple of vain, self obsessed, elitist subject matters regurgitated again and again, with the same current popular slang words screamed randomly during these songs to sound fresh.

3) read my fucking posts again, i’ve already said more then once that there are many artists of merit who rap and it isn’t the entire genre that is worthless, my ire is mainly focussed on the mainstream rap / r’n’b scene.

Producer/Rappers like Pharel, DrDre and Kanye are artists and musicians in thier own rite, they play instruments (piano, guitar, bass, sax)and or write the score to the music u hate. Even manipulate the samples they "steal" so that something you’ve probably hear before, sound like nothing you’ve heard before.

Speaking of Poetry, many artists like MosDef, and even Tupac have been published in several literary journals. If these people lived in your hood, they probably would be writing too much about sex n violence, errr but maybe why their parents neglected them as kids…. and thats why we have rock!

Joke!

Just say its not for you, just like i can say i dont like country music, not because i think its some southern white american stereotype… i just dont care for it, it doesnt talk to me and i cant relate.

i already said i liked tupac and considered his work genuinly interesting, read my posts. and some producers have a lot of talent, but a lot of them don’t use it to make interesting music, instead sticking to a popular, overused, formulaic style of music to guarantee commercial success and keep the cashflow rolling for further production and lifestyle and whatever else.

i did say it wasnt for me, and then went on to outline why i consider it an affront to music. i am of course referring to mainstream hiphop, r’n’b, dancehall, ukg and the rest of it.

i also fuckin hate country, it sounds like shit 😛 i like rave, trance, house, d’n’b, jungle, breakbeat techno, ambient etc. but i can appreciate that it is a sample based industry that also goes hand in hand with glamour and image and drugs; i love all kinds of rock, such as punk (true punk, british old school and 80s hardcore) some prog bands, some metal bands, some industrial bands, some folk, accoustic, hippy, all the new brit indie (got a few mates in bands) and 90s indie and mod and all that but i can also appreciate that all those genres have flaws and so on. i like some jazz and blues, but i know thats not for everyone. make what you will of it.

ultra magnus mentioned pop (what a fucking waste of singing talent and session musicians and business nous, and a symbol of soulless capitalism, that is). mainstream rap is a dangerous, glamourous and tacky offshoot of that, and is what im talking about.

I see you workin.

I’m not the one to put a funk on someones personal taste. However, what is mainstream hip hop today includes a whole cast of individuals that if you lined up all thier songs side by side, would not sound the same. To me at least. No one person should be the judge of whats relevant and whats not, because frankly they did not write it nor have lived it.

The post wasnt an attack on you or your tastes..

Trance has changed too, mainstream house music. These days you can listen to a 3min trace song right after Justin Timberlake,,,,, err if its not the Oakenfold/TallPaul/Tiesto Timberlake remix that is…..

Signed, Taste Buds!

rappers act like aggressive image obsessed immature dickheads because of the ‘personality’ and picture they’ve conjured and grown around them from growing up in a ghetto somewhere and being involved in all the desperate street lifestyles surrounding their hopeless, pointless sprawling urban jungle of shit; gang violence and drug taking or distribution and trying to foster an identity for their particular rundown shithole; then they talk really fast about it all or yell some rubbish really quickly, or both, in a recording studio with some label and production arseholes who think that will be some sort of positive influence on other kids in similar situations, or perhaps are just cold blooded, smart rats and know they’ll make a lot of moolah out of it and get some more rep and exposure in the process. sometimes, they’ll bleat like peter andre with a computer shoved up his arse about licking nipples and buying houses with champagne water and ivory tvs, or some fit bint they want to shag, and call it r’n’b

these fucking rappers then become rich, buy homes and enter the elite circuit, bringing their fucking attitudes and beefs with them, as well as their specific type of arrogant ‘culture’. and their enormous, vast and all-coloured myriad of dangerously shitbrained fans, never-ending in supply because of the vast range of different lifestyles and neighbourhoods and circumstances all over the world, support the careers of these fuckings cunts by transcribing their ‘culture’ back onto the streets and glamourising the absolute cuntwaste they ‘sing’ about. its the fucking fans that glamourise it.

Christ I don’t know why I keep coming to this thread, maybe I’m glued to the ignorance like a train wreck. But here goes my opinion. You say that rappers glorify the degradation of women, killing people, and living on the streets. It sounds pretty familiar to metal actually. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge metal fan, and could go on all day about my love for metal, but it’s no different than rap as far as lyrical content.

Take a look at Death Metal for example. It constantly talks about sadism, and paints vivid details about killing people in sadistic ways. A lot of the bands use it as an act, but some bands take it very seriously. Norwegian Black Metal took to a whole new level by burning churches. Look at the Hair Metal bands of the 80’s. You wanna talk about degradation? Look no further than hair metal.

And then you’ve got the metal bands that talk about the viciousness of life, and poverty, and violence. And that’s in almost any genre of metal. Sepultura is the perfect example of a band singing about living in a miserable situation throughout life because they came from a third world country. And that is easily comparable to living in the ghetto. So before you stereotype one genre of music, take a look at your own musical preference, pay attention to themes, attitudes, and all that other jazz, because the only thing that truly separates music is the sound.

I see you workin.

I’m not the one to put a funk on someones personal taste. However, what is mainstream hip hop today includes a whole cast of individuals that if you lined up all thier songs side by side, would not sound the same. To me at least. No one person should be the judge of whats relevant and whats not, because frankly they did not write it nor have lived it.

The post wasnt an attack on you or your tastes..

Trance has changed too, mainstream house music. These days you can listen to a 3min trace song right after Justin Timberlake,,,,, err if its not the Oakenfold/TallPaul/Tiesto Timberlake remix that is…..

Signed, Taste Buds!

glamourising the harsh lifestyle and the rudeboy thing is not relevant.

the dance industry has also sold out, at the top level, to maximise exposure and revenue. i also have a lot of beefs with dance but this isn’t the place, suffice to say that tiesto isn’t the most popular dj on the circuit anymore.

you’re the only one here trying to actually discuss what i’ve said and not have a pop because they were offended by what i said or couldn’t be bothered to read my whole post and/or thought themselves better then me, so cheers.

some garbling about metal

this thread is about rap, not metal.

my post accounted for the fact that all music forms have examples of exploitation, bullshit lyricism, rampant commercialism etc. but you chose to be ignorant of that part, didnt you.

i know that harsh circumstances and problems and poverty and violence and all that jazz are key themes of music generally, but mainstream rappers largely glamourise them and don’t even try to say anything new about it or tell their stories in original ways. it’s a very formulaic, unoriginal, tacky style of ‘music’ and it’s what i’m criticising.

Dude, what I’m saying is that all music glamorizes it. You were bashing on a genre of music based off of the stereotypes, and I was using another form of music, with the same stereotypes to show you that it’s quite common. And I’m sorry I didn’t read your posts, but it was hard to figure out where the sentence ends, and begins, because there were no capital letters or anything of the sort. But again, it’s like I’ve been saying for the past 2 weeks, this thread has gone in circles, and is pissing me off.

And by the way, if you’re gonna try to insult me, at least use capital letters.

Solja boi …er.. whatever, is a perfect example of why rap sucks.

We should make a petition to get this thread closed. But we shouldn’t have to; TRANNY, DO YOUR JOB. >:O

Dude, what I’m saying is that all music glamorizes it. You were bashing on a genre of music based off of the stereotypes, and I was using another form of music, with the same stereotypes to show you that it’s quite common. And I’m sorry I didn’t read your posts, but it was hard to figure out where the sentence ends, and begins, because there were no capital letters or anything of the sort. But again, it’s like I’ve been saying for the past 2 weeks, this thread has gone in circles, and is pissing me off.

And by the way, if you’re gonna try to insult me, at least use capital letters.

i am bashing the mainstream strand of this genre which barely ever deviates from this stereotype of glamourisation, and has many other faults which i documented earlier.

you selectively cherry picked a couple of paragraphs from my post and then complained about something that i had in fact covered in a paragraph you chose to ignore. if you want to dispute what i’ve said, try reading everything i’ve written and then arguing about something i don’t already agree with.

i wasn’t aware this thread was becoming tiresome for you lot; i saw it at the top of the forum and wanted to comment on it. also, please point out where i tried to insult you, because i don’t think i did!

Solja boi …er.. whatever, is a perfect example of why rap sucks.

exactly. the illiterate cunts can’t even spell it right.

So what’s your thought Of Kanye West, Common, Mos Def, Tupac, Biggie, Rakim, and other mainstream rappers? Also don’t think he’s respected as a good rapper, he is a joke, a bad joke. Even his beat is horrible.

Solja boi …er.. whatever, is a perfect example of why rap sucks.

I could hammer out 100 rock groups and say "That’s why rock sucks". But it doesn’t and neither does hip hop. The most popular artists of a genre usually aren’t representative of the genre, so don’t be so shallow.

Paraphrasing James Brown in a more modern format, I’d say it like this.

There’s no good genres or crap genres. There’s just good music and bad music. You can’t generalise one genre as crap, because there is always something that will appeal to you if you’re willing to give it a shot.

For example – I used to hate hard rock/punk/metal with a passion, but turns out I really like Rise Against and Dragonforce. Used to hate country but I actually quite like Johnny Cash. You’ve just gotta dig a little deeper instead of saying "O LOOK AT BET LOOK AT PPL AT SKOOL ACTING LIKE RAPPERS I HATE RAP!".

I could hammer out 100 rock groups and say "That’s why rock sucks". But it doesn’t and neither does hip hop. The most popular artists of a genre usually aren’t representative of the genre, so don’t be so shallow.

Paraphrasing James Brown in a more modern format, I’d say it like this.

There’s no good genres or crap genres. There’s just good music and bad music. You can’t generalise one genre as crap, because there is always something that will appeal to you if you’re willing to give it a shot.

For example – I used to hate hard rock/punk/metal with a passion, but turns out I really like Rise Against and Dragonforce. Used to hate country but I actually quite like Johnny Cash. You’ve just gotta dig a little deeper instead of saying "O LOOK AT BET LOOK AT PPL AT SKOOL ACTING LIKE RAPPERS I HATE RAP!".

Quoted for truth. Thread over!

Quoted for truth. Thread over!

I won’t deny the validity of James Brown’s words. But they don’t really apply to our music scene today. Nor should rap be described as music in the first place. I think I’m owed an appology from every person who has ever been involved in rap music. What a mistake it was giving all ethnicities equal rights…

What a mistake it was giving all ethnicities equal rights…

Ha!!

Ignorance is bliss

I won’t deny the validity of James Brown’s words. But they don’t really apply to our music scene today. Nor should rap be described as music in the first place. I think I’m owed an appology from every person who has ever been involved in rap music. What a mistake it was giving all ethnicities equal rights…

Instant failure.

erm, duke fleed, that’s called racism O_o despising mainstream rap and its effects and just plain hating black people are two different things…

Forshizzle Dizzle

Why, in the name of all that is sacred, is this thread not shot to death and then incinerated?

Quoted for truth. Thread over!

i am a fan of multiple genres and i agree with a lot of people that rap//hip-hop has gone done hill … i don’t even listen to radio anymore. keep in mind though, that not all rappers and MCs talk about shooting people, dealing, or sex. check out Common, Will Smith, will.i.am, Talib Kweli just to name a few. well, they talk about sex too, but not in the "you’re my bitch" kind of way. if people don’t like the current state of rap in general, just listen to old-school and underground rap. that’s what i do anyways … and speaking of underground, check out this dude called Prince Ali. he released a [free!] mixtape on his myspace a couple months ago entitled "I Miss ’94". good shit right there.

EDIT:
o.0; oh. i didn’t know it was over. lol, sorry!

Why, in the name of all that is sacred, is this thread not shot to death and then incinerated?

simple, we LOVE hip hop 😀

WOW……..@ SOME OF THE PREVIOUS POSTS HERE LOL ARE YALL FOR REAL, HIP HOP IS MORE THAN WHAT U SEE ON TV, ESPECIALLY BET, MY SUGGESTION FOR THE HIP HOP HATERS THAT ARE SO FAST TO GENERALIZE AND STEREOTYPE BEFORE ASSUMING TO INTERNALIZE THE ENTIRE CULTURE IN A SPAN OF 2000-NOW DO YA HISTORY FROM THE MID 80’S, TO THE LATE 90’S, LOOK UP ARTISTS IN THOSE YEARS……GET SOME OF THEIR ALBUMS AND LISTEN TO THE DIFFERENCE THE LUST FOR MONEY & FAME INSTEAD OF EDUCATING FUTURE GENERATIONS IS WHAT GOT YA HEADZ ALL F*CKED UP ABOUT WHAT U THINK HIP HOP REALLY IS……DO YA HISTORY AND SEE THE DIFFERENCES ABOUT IT B4 YOU JUDGE
DONT GET ME WRONG, SOME OF THE POSTS ON WHY ITS HATED [MAINLY THE CURRENT STEREOTYPES] ARE INDEED CORRECT BUT DONT THINK THAT EVERY ARTIST YOU MAY RUN INTO ARE GONNA BE THE SAME AS THE NEXT, ITS A GOOD WAY OF GETTIN PWNED!

HERES SOME ARTISTS I SUGGEST:
NECRO
WU TANG CLAN FROM 93′-98′
EPMD
DJ HONDA
ORGANIZED KONFUSION
PETE ROCK
DJ PREMIER
GANGSTARR
COMMON
ILL BILL
3RD BASS
NWA
ICE CUBE
ROYAL FLUSH
CAPONE N NOREAGA
MOBB DEEP [BEFORE THEY SIGNED TO GAY UNIT]

i agree … i just wish you didn’t write in all caps. that gives me a headache.

Let me break it down like this: If you dislike rap music, you’re totally racist.

Scratch that. I haven’t gone far enough.

You’re directly responsible for: 300 years of enslavement of the African people, the triangular trade, AIDS, herpes, Nazism, and Lyndon LaRouche.

All right, I’ve spoken my piece. Carry on.

Because this emo wave has killed it’s time in the spotlight. Hating something that’s not "in" is common to see, it’s people trying to look fashionable, up to date and trendy. The same thing happened to glam rock, back then it was the greatest thing in the world to have psychotic hair and tight leather pants. Now we look back and shake our heads at the culture, but at times what comes through is "Lol rock sux cuz dey luk’d ghey" judging and hating the genre of music by the culture.

It has happened to rap and hip hop, simple. People are hating on rap because of the culture, it happens.

Let me break it down like this: If you dislike rap music, you’re totally racist.

Scratch that. I haven’t gone far enough.

You’re directly responsible for: 300 years of enslavement of the African people, the triangular trade, AIDS, herpes, Nazism, and Lyndon LaRouche.

All right, I’ve spoken my piece. Carry on.

WHAT?!?!?! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
k first of all. just because you are of a different ethnicity, doesn’t mean you have to fit into stereotypes. not ALL black people like rap, And not ALL black people would care if I said, hip hop sucks.
Furthermore. hating rap doesnt mean youre directly responsible for "300 years of slavery" because that makes no sense.
I have black friends who would slap you for being so stupid.
OH and by the way, black artists such as Mongo Santamaria are 100000 times more talented than any of these rap artists, as you call them.

phew. now that I got that out of my system. I am going to sum up why people hate rap so much.
1) human beings are uncomfortable with things they don’t understand, and instead of accepting they dont understand, they criticize. (with the exception of me, hahahaha)
2) people have DIFFERENT TASTES!

SO WHO CARES!
some like hip hop, some (like me) like 70’s prog and death metal. SO lets all just get along?O:]

I won’t deny the validity of James Brown’s words. But they don’t really apply to our music scene today. Nor should rap be described as music in the first place. I think I’m owed an appology from every person who has ever been involved in rap music. What a mistake it was giving all ethnicities equal rights…

dawg (yeah, that’s how i spelled it), i sincerely hope that was a joke.

if you don’t like commercial hip hop, there are plenty of commercial and underground alternatives:

N*E*R*D (the neptunes, their music could easily be the theme music to anyone into games and anime)

MF doom (YouTube’rs check out the videos for "all caps" and "rhinestone cowboy" respectively)

kanye west (c’mon, he used akira as the theme for the video for his song "stronger")

Lupe fiasco (listen to "…and he gets the girl")

Del the Funky Homosapien (he has a song dedicated to video games called "protoculture"), and his crew the hieroglyphics

MURS (check out his video for "Murray’s Revenge")

…and the list goes on and on. after hearing these few songs, please tell me if you can sum up all rap to being about nothing more than talk about…

"money, cash, hoes/ i’m from the hood, stupid/what type facts are those?"
-jay z, 99 problems

dawg (yeah, that’s how i spelled it), i sincerely hope that was a joke.

doesn’t look like it was. it’s a shame that there are still some close-minded people. in this day and age, you simply can’t afford to do that.

EDIT: @DarkStill – we must have posted at the same time. anyhoo, it’s kind of funny. i listen to most of those same alternatives. and might i add a few?

Nujabes
Fat Jon
Shing02

yes, they all have something in common (Samurai Champloo) but each of their styles of music are very different but still hip-hop. don’t let today’s radio and tv full you.

People often wonder why youths curse alot. It’s from Rap and hip-hop.

No, it’s because everybody. including their family, friends, TV, people on the street, etc, curse a lot. Last I checked, there are a lot of rock bands out there that swear, and there are lots of movies that do it as well, not to mention books (Catcher in the Rye, anyone?) Blaming rap as the sole cause of cursing among youth is one of the most ignorant things I’ve heard in a while.

These sorts of topics are usually rife with ignorance on the topic, and in this particular case, that rap is all about guns and hoes, or that even a large portion of rap is about guns and hoes.

Not the truth.

There is a lot more to rap music, and even some of the groups that do rap about guns and violence, such as Wu-Tang or 2pac, there’s meaning there. You may chose to not see it, but it’s there. However, a large portion of the over-commercialized trash they put on MTV and the radio, these rappers that feel they need to represent the hood to be credible, therefore rap about things they don’t know just to get street cred, that’s where this particular problem lies.

And then there is a large group of artists that just do there own thing independent of any of the industries commercialized crap, such as your Mr. Lifs or Dels.

People who argue that rap is repetitive and has no melody, I could say the same thing about a lot of rock music.

The point is, rap music is largely misunderstood by many who take what they see on TV at face value and chose to no acknowledge it as an art form. Not liking the genre because it doesn’t suit your tastes is perfectly acceptable, in fact, I commend people who truly know their tastes (something many people do not fully understand, I include myself in this), but not liking it out of ignorance is sad.

To me, you really can’t call yourself a fan of music if you don’t honestly give everything a chance and introduce some variety into your music. Rap is probably the most diverse genre of music out there right now, and I really think that there’s something for everyone to be found in it, if you only give it a chance.

Actually it’s

Lupe Fiasco ( C’mon the name of his album was Jedi Mind Tricks.

facepalm.jpg

well lupe fiascos a faggot than isnt he… jedi mind tricks is the name of a rap group that fuckin burn that toy cunt

I seriously cant fathom what you are trying to say.

I don’t like rap because it always talks about sex. women, money…
I prefer heavy metal!!!!

Thank you for enlightening us, you’ve really answered the question without being biased.:rolleyes:

I don’t like rap because it always talks about sex. women, money…
I prefer heavy metal!!!!

sex women money…… im sure theres a few more topics in hip hop out there

2nd and foremost, congrats on your first post!

well lupe fiascos a faggot than isnt he… jedi mind tricks is the name of a rap group that fuckin burn that toy cunt

Lupe Fiasco is a very talented rapper and has not released an album called Jedi Mind Tricks, his first album was called Food Liquor and his newest is called The Cool.

So perhaps you should both learn what the fuck you are talking about.

Lupe Fiasco is a very talented rapper and has not released an album called Jedi Mind Tricks, his first album was called Food Liquor and his newest is called The Cool.

So perhaps you should both learn what the fuck you are talking about.

I agree with you that Lupe is a talented rapper. But He has released and "Album" called Jedi Mind tricks. It’s not an album you can purchase in stores it’s a mix tape(underground record). I find the mix tapes are where you can find raw talent, if you don’t believe me try Google or torrents.

I don’t like rap because it always talks about sex. women, money…
I prefer heavy metal!!!!

so you’d prefer tales of suicide to ‘tales of sex, money, and cars’? (notice how i’m generalizing just like you? :rolleyes: ) like i said, the artists that i listed above, give them a listen. otherwise, don’t summarize what you see on mtv (because i seriously doubt you’ll ever watch BET) as what all rap music is about.

Lupe is decent. definitely stands out in the mainstream. "Daydreamin" featuring Jill Scott is a real dope track also.

Lupe Fiasco is a very talented rapper and has not released an album called Jedi Mind Tricks, his first album was called Food Liquor and his newest is called The Cool.

I find it ironic I’m listening to "Dumb it Down" by him while I’m reading all this.

I think people are used to hearing the phrases that degrades women, or shooting up everybody. Rappers wanted to express what has been (or still is) going on in the streets. Women do dress in skimpy clothing that sends a message to the men and gangs are on a rampage. People don’t want to hear TRUE LIFE. Nowadays, hip hop is more about whatever life brings us. I mean, has anybody heard the song "Independent" by Webbie?
It also depends on what the rapper feels like talking about. But those people who experienced the rap from the past are still in that momentum, even though they haven’t heard the latest songs. My mom still thinks that rappers want to shoot up everybody and slap their women. SO not true. Not ALL rappers do that. She’s still stuck in the 90’s. =_= Then again… I am too XD.

i’ve always wondered, why is rap music bashed by people?

i mean, they say they objectify the women in their videos. well, those woemn wanted to be invideos, so they obviously knew what it would mean. the lyrics cause people to comit violent acts? anyone who can be influenced by the music doesn’t need to be allowed in public in the first place. if i made a rap song aboput climbing a mountain, would you go hiking? you just plain don’t understand it? well, i don’t get punk rock, or emo rock, or whatever the media’s callin it.

so please tell me, why don’t you like rap? if you like, post your theories anyway.

I will tell you why I don’t like rap, I don’t like rap because all they say in it is "fuck, mother fucker, bitch, whore, suck, and last but not lease, nigger", I mean why are you happy to listen to words like that taking over 3/4 of the lyrics of the song? I listen to rock and a little of rap where its not full of those words… AND I’m not EMO at ALL.

My god, did you read anything other than the first post? That’s been said countless times before. Now is no different, that is mass generalization. An entire genre doesn’t suck because you’ve only heard some crappy media inflamed songs.

My god, did you read anything other than the first post? That’s been said countless times before. Now is no different, that is mass generalization. An entire genre doesn’t suck because you’ve only heard some crappy media inflamed songs.

Well yeah I only read the first post, the starter of the post… And the rappers I used to listen to their music were EMINEM, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Xzibit, Lil Jon, Sean Paul, Ying Yang Twins, Chamillionaire, DMX, The Game, Ice Cube, Ja Rule, Jay Z, Justin Timberlake, Ludacris, Twista and Pitbull…

And my favorite is EMINEM… So hey I don’t HATE rap I just found it repetative, and PREFER rock…

WHAT?!?!?! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
k first of all. just because you are of a different ethnicity, doesn’t mean you have to fit into stereotypes. not ALL black people like rap, And not ALL black people would care if I said, hip hop sucks.
Furthermore. hating rap doesnt mean youre directly responsible for "300 years of slavery" because that makes no sense.
I have black friends who would slap you for being so stupid.
OH and by the way, black artists such as Mongo Santamaria are 100000 times more talented than any of these rap artists, as you call them.

phew. now that I got that out of my system. I am going to sum up why people hate rap so much.
1) human beings are uncomfortable with things they don’t understand, and instead of accepting they dont understand, they criticize. (with the exception of me, hahahaha)
2) people have DIFFERENT TASTES!

SO WHO CARES!
some like hip hop, some (like me) like 70’s prog and death metal. SO lets all just get along?O:]

you see, you just cant tell sarcasm through the internet can you

Well yeah I only read the first post, the starter of the post… And the rappers I used to listen to their music were EMINEM, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Xzibit, Lil Jon, Sean Paul, Ying Yang Twins, Chamillionaire, DMX, The Game, Ice Cube, Ja Rule, Jay Z, Justin Timberlake, Ludacris, Twista and Pitbull…

And my favorite is EMINEM… So hey I don’t HATE rap I just found it repetative, and PREFER rock…

ha, and that makes up the entire genre? those artists? funny that you put justin timberlake in the category as hip hop/rap. that also shows how little you know about the genre itself.

Im seriously waiting for Snake to silently kill this thread.

Rap is just crap without the "c".

Sorry, it’s just my opinion. However misguided some may feel that is.

Oh god…
not AGAIN!!!

this is a redundant topic now.
Every one just says Rap sucks and never puts a reason
OR
has the same tired reason of: All they talk about is Drugs, Bitches, and Bling.

WTF!!!

That’s just a cop out now. Everyone that like Rap has killed that reason with examples of other songs and artists.
If nobody else has anything new to add, please let this thread die!

Why wont people let this topic lay to rest already!?
It’s been whored out like a bitch time and time again.
Put it out of its misery!

Well yeah I only read the first post, the starter of the post… And the rappers I used to listen to their music were EMINEM, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Xzibit, Lil Jon, Sean Paul, Ying Yang Twins, Chamillionaire, DMX, The Game, Ice Cube, Ja Rule, Jay Z, Justin Timberlake, Ludacris, Twista and Pitbull…

And my favorite is EMINEM… So hey I don’t HATE rap I just found it repetative, and PREFER rock…

1) justin timberlake isn’t a rapper.
2) no wonder you think all rap is the same; all you listen to is commercial artists, so it wouldn’t shock me that eminem is your favorite out of the bunch you have just listed. go on youtube and search for some madlib, j dilla, MF doom, MURS, tribe called quest, and pete rock (the song "T.R.O.Y" in particular), then you can tell me if that’s all that rap is about.

Rap is just crap without the "c".

Sorry, it’s just my opinion. However misguided some may feel that is.

i guess y’all might not like this song, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_HVSvErbmE) because all rap is crap.

I think many people hate rap because the rapper think they are better then others.
Maybe becuase rapper shows women as a toy too

MC Chris is the best rapper ever. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aqSp7Qji-M)

I like early rap… DJ Jazzy Jeff before they became really big, but best of all the Fat Boys! they were awesome I loved how creative they got. I can’t find most of their albums anywhere for some reason.
Most mainstream modern rap (and I say mainstream with heavy emphasis here) I don’t care for much mainly because of the attitude you know, the "I’m the biggest baddest bitch gonna blow you away" sort of thing. It’s not so much what they say, really its HOW they say it: like you should be privelaged to have bought this album because you are beneath me sort of attitude. Having said all that, I have heard some modern stuff that has a bit of rap in it or is influenced by rap that I like, but in general none of it is mainstream; more smallish band underground kind of stuff. It’s hard to define really, but to me the early 80’s rap had a much more carefree feeling to it and was much more creative, especially the early street mix tapes before any of them got signed to big lables. I think maybe because rap was more done back then as a actual art and for enjoyment, whereas now it just seems too commercialized and like you almost have to belong to a special "club" to belong. But then, its not rap exclusively that makes me feel this way either, quite a lot of modern rock (or what passes for rock in some cases) also is in the same boat.

Not all rap music is bad…just the newer rap artist I guess? lol they seem to have the same people in their videos, always talking about the same crap over and over…they’re like an insult to the actually very talented rappers =/

It’s kind of like 90’s pop music but in the form of rap where it’s the same tacky junk over and over.

And honestly I get sick of hearing shake ya ass in every video and about women having fat asses lmao..I mean wtf? lol yes half the women in the videos do have very nice bodies but I don’t want to hear what you’d like to do to it and how she may like it or whatever >.> lol

i’m not a huge fan of rap, but there definitely is some good rap in my ears:

run d.m.c
cypress hill
n.w.a
public enemy
wu-tang clan
gza
etc.

There’s a few rappers I listen too, but I think the majority of rap in the music industry is too degrading. And I’m not saying I don’t curse or say inappropriate things ocassionally, who doesn’t. But when it’s every other word I mean come on.

Except I love Ludacris who has pretty raunchy lyrics …but yeah whatever lol.

i’m not a huge fan of rap, but there definitely is some good rap in my ears:

run d.m.c
cypress hill
n.w.a
public enemy
wu-tang clan
gza
etc.

Bingo, nuff said.

The problem is that the ignorant mASSess just want to hear music and videos about gettin rich and getting hos. Its all part of the ghetto mentality.

Oh crap! I forgot about Run DMC and Public Enemy, yeah those are great too! Thanks for jogging the memory. I never heard of Wu-tang clan, will have to give them a listen.

I think that rap music is more about messages than music. The problem is that to sing a message you must have something to say. When you’re rich and famous, you have no more real problems, and nothing to say. So they try to sell a very simple and addictive music, with nothing in it…… and that works. But it’s bad.

I listen some rap songs. One, two, three times. Then I feel it is nothing than addiction, they’re empty and made to be enjoyed by whoever, sung by whoever – and that SUCKS. 🙁 So I stop and I listen to the Odin Sphere OST.

I think that rap music is more about messages than music. The problem is that to sing a message you must have something to say. When you’re rich and famous, you have no more real problems, and nothing to say. So they try to sell a very simple and addictive music, with nothing in it…… and that works. But it’s bad.

I listen some rap songs. One, two, three times. Then I feel it is nothing than addiction, they’re empty and made to be enjoyed by whoever, sung by whoever – and that SUCKS. 🙁 So I stop and I listen to the Odin Sphere OST.

Haha, yeah Wu-Tang sure sets out to say a message most of the time, if anything the message is "Look at how we reference Thundercats and shooting someone in the same sentence"

They’re still great though, RZA sets up an excellent beat and the rappers accentuate it with great rhythm and pretty funny lyrics.

Haha, yeah Wu-Tang sure sets out to say a message most of the time, if anything the message is "Look at how we reference Thundercats and shooting someone in the same sentence"

They’re still great though, RZA sets up an excellent beat and the rappers accentuate it with great rhythm and pretty funny lyrics.

Hmm. I don’t know if that’s necessarily true. Yes, Wu-Tang has battle rhymes, but how are you going to say that’s all they have in their songs? and if there are instances of such lyrics, please let me know. "Can it be all so simple," "Tearz," "C.R.E.A.M.," "Cold World," "I Gotcha Back," "Impossible," "Little Ghetto Boys,"…this is pointless. Go listen again.

The only Rap song I like is "Intergalactic Planetary" by Beastie Boys. :B

Edit: Be happy you don’t know German Rap. This is sooooooo bad. You see little mama-boys who try to be ghetto while rapping in German – a language which fits to all but NOT to rap. x_X

One fo the greatest reasons why rappers are so hated is because they never say anything good. they repeat the same rhymes everytime they rap and they keep humiliating woman in a profoun way. sadly woman are stupid enough to listen to this music, but dont give a damn if it offends woman. I know that those type of woman arent here, but you have to admit that they are complete idiots in school, specially high school. Rap is always going to exist no matter what we say. there are some rappers that say beautiful things, but most of them are christian rappers or liberalist thinkers. either way I think that rap can be used in a postiive way. its just a matter of who is inspired enough to rhyme with true and meanigngful words.

You guys are listening to the wrong artists.
I luv hip hop & have been a fan for nearly 20 years.

Mainstream rap is a joke.
Try indie or underground rap.
Fools like 50 cent make it hard to enjoy hip hop for what it is.

Why do you think the women want to be with these fools?
$$$ the whole fantasy of the "good life".
If these girls had other reasons for hangin with the guys would you respect them any more?
Most of these chix think they can get somewhere if they’re seen with the fools.

Theres artist like Lupe Fiasco & Immortal Technique,etc tell stories.
I’ll up a song by Immortal Technique that gives me chills everytime I listen to it.
I have so much hip hop you guys may find interesting.

Check this track out let me know what you think:

Immortal Technique -Revolutionary Vol.1
Dance with the Devil(track 11)
Warning explicit lyrics
http://www.mediafire.com/?ubgguxz2ggt

If anyone is interested in giving hip hop a shot & not making judgments based on sterotypes & mainstream media hype, PM me & I’ll convert you into a "hip hop fan" too.

My gripe is with Pop music.
How can young kids look up to Paris Hilton or Britney(Shitney) Spears.
If Paris was to sing about her life it’d would be worse than rap.
All $$$ & bling, parties & bullshit,making sex tapes to became famous when she really didn’t need the $$$.
Pop music artists are a bunch of "Attention Whores".
Disney teeny bopper stars are no better.

I am down with the "Wicked Clownz".

I am down with the "Wicked Clownz".

ICP?

Heres another sick track.
Immortal Technique -Revolutionary Vol.1
The Prophecy(track 12)
Warning explicit lyrics
http://www.mediafire.com/?bbgamggb1dj

No Mercy(track14)
http://www.mediafire.com/?sa1mj2vsbbx

The Illest(track 15)
http://www.mediafire.com/?hgvzggdbx2b
The girl in the 1st verse is Jean Grae she’s is one of the best females IMO she better than a lot of the guys.

Speak Your Mind (track16)
http://www.mediafire.com/?vmfzmsgymgh

Crazy word play.
Lyrically this guy is insane.

I Liked rap when it first came out. Then it got old fast since there is no originality in style for most rappers.

Too many of them don’t actually create music, just rip off the work of some other artist, then loop a sound to a beat and some practically mumble.

Too many lazy rappers, who can’t think about any other lyrics other then cussing…

All of them rip off one another, just like they do music from other artists. It’s recycle this, and recycle that. It’s not only stingy, but plain idiotic and insulting to listeners…

Which brings me to the crappy messages in rap video. I can respect stories of the ghetto, hell I live in one, but not people who twist it to glamorize a criminal lifestyle… especially when it’s been done to death.

Constantly showcases whores, sluts, and pimps in videos… what the hell? I applaud rappers who have the guts to do something original in both videos and Lyrics.

Hate how rappers dress like Gimps. Also sick of Gangsta wannabes in both rap and real life. Also hate the fashion they helped create, and the morons they influenced. I don’t need to walk everyday down my street with some ugly douchebag giving me a grin with some fake gold teeth and saggy pants barely above his knees.

Rap and Rappers who are overshadowed by the same retarded and recycled material from above then others who are more original can’t make it because they wont lower their standards. These are the guys who talk about religion, god, politics, family, society, and don’t need to say cuss words because they put thought into lyrics and music. The guys who don’t throw sex appeal and a tired fad at you and promote the dumbing down of society and creative thinking. These are the guys who actually give a damn about what they talk about in their music.

For me to enjoy rap again I need the fol owing:

Creative thinking and constructive outputs in their work

Originality in subject matter

Talent in not just rap but Musical skills

an image that isn’t for the retarded or criminal admirers

rappers who can reverse the effects of malfunctioning wardrobes they created… dress stylish and successful

rappers who don’t rely on looking like a thug to sell albums

Rappers who actually give damn about their rap, subject matter, and listeners

rappers who don’t need to curse out profanities because they can’t think of any other rhymes.

rappers who encourage people to do good instead of bad

rappers who can actualy perform a range of talent beyond just rap. Seriously, if MC Hammer were more talented outside of rap and with other forms of music, he wouldn’t of ended up like he did.

V Guyver, i think you just summed up my feelings about rap exactly.

V Guyver,

Hmm. I see a lot generalizations and obvious ignorance in your post.

Creative thinking and constructive outputs in their work

Wow, I could name an endless amount of artists from our age doing that. Let’s see. I’ll start with the artists that are more mainstream. The Roots can almost always put out a solid album with a definitive concept behind it. Black Thought is as well one of the greatest performers in the genre. Outkast also drop memorable releases. Every one of their albums has a different feel to it whether it is bridging genres or not. Timbaland is a fairly innovative producer…especially for mainstream standards. Busdriver has constantly been pushing the envelope. Maybe you heard one of his songs ("Imaginary Places") in Tony Hawk Underground (which seems to usually have good hip hop artists within their games). Fear of a Black Tangent is a solid album from Busdriver. Sage Francis; from winning poetry Slams to winning hip hop battles and to merely having a unique style. I suggest his release, A Healthy Distrust. Saul Williams; I wouldn’t necessarily call him a hip hop artist (he’s much more than that) but he definitely has elements of hip hop in his music. Anything by him. Solillaquists of Sound. An MC, a producer (who doesn’t just loop but plays all of the drums digitally while composing in the traditional sense), a singer, and a poet. Blockhead; he acquires samples, chops them up, puts them in a certain key, and makes it sound amazing. He usually has 10+ samples per song .DJ Shadow, Rza, DJ Premier, Pete Rock, RJD2, Omega One also do the same process of production. They don’t just loop like you said all these hip hop artists do.

Originality in subject matter

Just mentioned that.

Talent in not just rap but Musical skills

Um, don’t know what you mean there…Composition? Ability to sing?

an image that isn’t for the retarded or criminal admirers

Again, already mentioned that.

rappers who can reverse the effects of malfunctioning wardrobes they created… dress stylish and successful

Don’t know what that has to do with anything…

rappers who don’t rely on looking like a thug to sell albums

Again…

Rappers who actually give damn about their rap, subject matter, and listeners

This is getting old….

Anyways, the rest isn’t worth it. Be informed before you make rash generalizations about an entire genre.

Rash Generalizations about the entire genre? Think about it, how many of these guys are household names? Maybe to a black community, but not many others. Look at 50 cent (Who’s not even worth the monetary value his illiterare name implies), he’s a household name, he’s half assed, and yet more popular then some of these more creative rappers. I’ve completely cut myself off from rap in early 1999, so call me stupid or ignorant (Or "ignant" like some rappers say) for not keeping up with the few guys that actually manage to be different.

When I said musical skills, I meant both. I’d like to see compositions that are unique and original, not just some beats ripped off the theme from Night Rider, then remixed and edited. Also, it would be nice if more rappers could actually sing and not just rap. Perhaps I’m not being fair with the singing part, but it would certainly be a interesting sound for a rapper to use such a skill in conjunction with singing.

My point in that their malfunction wardrobes have given good rappers in the industry a bad image that they are expected to follow. Why the hell does a rapper have to dress and look butt ugly as a thug. Couldn’t they rap with a different style, a more socially modest fashion. Heck, at this point I wouldn’t mind a Rapper dressed in something other then criminal wear. Hell, at this point I wouldn’t mind seeing a rapper dance in a tutu if it means I don’t have to look at some crooked baseball cap, countless fake bling, and underpants sticking out like advertisement boards for Haynes underwear.

Rappers who rely on their looks as a thug to sell their albums… how more simple can I get. Do I have to spell it out? Look, it’s tired, it’s generic, it’s insulting to my intelligence to believe they are hardcore gangsta’s. I don’t care what the rap industry has to do to break away from that stereotype, I don’t care if they have to be visited by Queer Eye for a Straight Guy, or even traditional Dutch clothing being forced on them. I want a change in imagery -_-0

And yes it is indeed getting old with rappers who don’t care about what they rap about. Remember when rap wasn’t about making a quick buck and exploiting on a gangsta trend? When they used to have meaning in rap for social ills? Look, maybe I’m not one to speak anymore, I stopped listening even though I’m in the ghetto. But you know what? I’d rather listen to my friends rap like Fluid and Urn. They aren’t the best rappers, but they sure as hell keep it real in Newark’s crime ridden streets and don’t fall into some tired trend, they just rap about the life around them, and don’t try to gain some generic stereotypical image.

If you must still consider me some guy stereotyping rap then remember that I didn’t create the stereotype, the rap industry did. My tastes just don’t suite it anymore and it’s why I rarely listen to it at all. If it weren’t for my friends I’d of given it up entirely by now. I can’t stand the industry that much right now.

The only music that I can’t stand listening to more then rap now is the Portuguese music my mom listens too. But that’s because she loves the corny romantic/religious material.

It wasn’t that until that rapper at the BET awards started chanting "Obama or Die" that went from just not liking mainstream rap to hating the rappers and their repetitive crap. Now Inde rappers I have more a little more respect for, mainly because I’m a pretty big Inde fan.

Lemme see if I can find that clip…. HERE (http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=119313)

"It’s been a great year for black people as a whole."

In his own words…

It doesn’t seem that this err… division of the black community cares about the politics just that Obama’s black, well half black.

Poor dude…….

Just…

Lol is all i have to say.

It wasn’t that until that rapper at the BET awards started chanting "Obama or Die" that went from just not liking mainstream rap to hating the rappers and their repetitive crap. Now Inde rappers I have more a little more respect for, mainly because I’m a pretty big Inde fan.

Lemme see if I can find that clip…. HERE (http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=119313)

"It’s been a great year for black people as a whole."

In his own words…

It doesn’t seem that this err… division of the black community cares about the politics just that Obama’s black, well half black.

What the does that have to do with Rap music as a whole. And Newsflash: White people chant for Obama too.

IMO: I don’t like mainstream rap music, because if focuses on the negative aspect of the genre. But I’m not some ignorant hater who would blindly label all rap music the same. There are still great artist who may not always be in the cameras, but are very popular with the people that love the genre.

Im black myself & I hate most of the stuff they got out now. I prefer to listen to 90’s real rap but if I was to tell that to my friend at school he’ll say something negative about it. I like the following rappers.

Tupac
Biggie
Snoop Dogg-When he was with Death Row
Dr Dre-When he was with Death Row
Bone Thugs-Back when they had good music
And a few others.

It isn’t just the artists but producers, label owners, record execs..ect.ect. are milking hip-hop for all it’s worth. For mainstream rap it’s not about what an artist has to say, but what he has to say that will sell.

There are still good artists out there and even the others have more to say it’s just that you have to catch it on a mixtape or net release as it will rarely make it to the radio. Radio stations basically make their own top 10 and recycle the same tracks until they become popular.

A damn shame that so many artists in the beginning fought to be heard and now hardly anyone has anything to say since the money gives them tunnel vision.

Rash Generalizations about the entire genre? Think about it, how many of these guys are household names? Maybe to a black community, but not many others. Look at 50 cent (Who’s not even worth the monetary value his illiterare name implies), he’s a household name, he’s half assed, and yet more popular then some of these more creative rappers. I’ve completely cut myself off from rap in early 1999, so call me stupid or ignorant (Or "ignant" like some rappers say) for not keeping up with the few guys that actually manage to be different.

yes, rash generalizations. No, these artists are not household names but by you saying "i’m sick of all these hip hop artists displaying negative images." Well, I just showed you a handful of artists doing the opposite of everything you have listed. You won’t reach any level of truth by generalizing. and Actually underground/"indie" hip hop isn’t listened to by merely a black audience. If you go to a rather known underground hop hop artist’s show (such as Atmosphere, Busdriver, Aesop Rock, or Sage Francis), you will see more of a white audience, but i don’t see why that even matters. ha, the "few" that happen to be different. The names I listed were just a small percentage of artists that NOW exhibit creativity in their work…

Atmosphere, Aesop Rock, Immortal Technique, Danger Mouse (of Gnarls Barkely and also helped with Gorillaz second album), Blackalicious, Mos Def, El-P, Blue Sky Black Death, Secede, Roosevelt Franklin, DJ Krush, Herbaliser, Coldcut, Alias, Sole, Dose One (Now part of Subtle), Qwel, Fat Jon, Giant Panda, Del The Funkee Homosapien (The MC in Gorillaz’s song, "Clint Eastwood"), Dan The Automator (Helped with production on Gorillaz’s first album), Zion I, Lifesavas, Edan, Lyrics Born, Cut Chemist (former DJ of Jurassic 5), Kid Koala, Madlib, Nujabes, Common, Buck 65, Reanimator, Prefuse 73, Daedalus, Paris Zax, Y Society, Jel, Eyedea, DJ Abilities, Anti-Pop Consortium, Beastie Boys, Brother Ali, Darc Mind, Louis Logic, Aceyalone, Hangar 18, Heiruspecs, Tonedeff, Kno, Icon The Mic King, Illogic, Truth Maze, Agents of Change, El Guante, Idris Goodwin, Portishead, Seemore Perspective, Diagram Of Truth (Shameless self promotion!), Glue, X:144 & SPS, Opus, P.O.S., Sixtoo, Strange Fruit Project, Supernatural (one of the best freestyle MC’s), JUICE (one of the best freestyle MC’s), X-Ecutioners, Bernard Dolan, KRS-One are just a few more artists…

And I know I’ve said this at least a few more times around this forum but how many different artists are people seeing on the TV or on the radio? It’s the same shit across the country. Most big radio stations in big cities have a contract with labels to play the label’s artists, so you’re going to be hearing the same shit wherever you go. I know one hit wonder rappers on the TV are a dime a dozen nowadays and people will be seeing another carbon copy of the label’s previous artist, but the underground outweighs the mainstream in quality AND obviously quantity. So why complain so much about the negativity in hip hop and not pursue the positivity that is thriving? The more you give attention to something, the more it will grow. Even if it’s bad promotion. Shit, George Bush won the election and with so many people bad mouthing him before he won the election too..Well, no surprise. The more you give attention the more it will thrive or grow. Anyways, getting off topic.

When I said musical skills, I meant both. I’d like to see compositions that are unique and original, not just some beats ripped off the theme from Night Rider, then remixed and edited. Also, it would be nice if more rappers could actually sing and not just rap. Perhaps I’m not being fair with the singing part, but it would certainly be a interesting sound for a rapper to use such a skill in conjunction with singing.

Well if you’re looking for sample-free beat makers..DiViNCi of Solillaquists of Sound has a good amount of sample-free traditionally composed pieces of music especially on Solillaquists of Sound’s newest album, As If We Existed. Speaking of SOS..Alexandrah has quite the beautiful voice and most of the time does sing while having concrete lyrics behind her voice. But back to traditionally composed pieces. Ant (of Atmosphere) composed all the beats on Atmosphere’s new When Life Gives You Gold, You Paint That Shit Gold. I don’t think I heard one sample and looking here at Discogs about album credits, it doesn’t sound like there is any samples. Alias has recently spoken about how he has stopped using samples. He has made multiple beats for Sage Francis. Though not all the beats he has made for Sage have had no samples, but "Clickety Clack," "Midgets & Giants," "Keep Moving," "Sea Lion," and "Escape Artist" by Sage Francis all do not contain samples. All of which are very freaking solid. Alias also has a CD with singer, Tasier, entitled Brookland / Oaklyn. X:144 has a handful of traditionally composed pieces on X:144 and SPS’s latest release, M.E.. Saul Williams also sings. "Wine," "Fearless," "Surrender (A Second to Think)," "Control Feak," "No One Ever Does," and "Sunday Bloody Sunday." Like I have mentioned in the past on here, sampling is an art form. Check turntablism or this video by Kid Koala…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KbFIGFv4GLQ

Check out Shadow…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZVoXzEoDM&NR=1

and all of Blockhead’s full lengths (Music by Cavelight, Downtown Science, and Uncle Tony’s Coloring Book are quite memorable. Andrew 3000 (from Outkast) has a pretty good voice as explored through Outkast’s release, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. oh and Cee-Lo (currently of Gnarls Barkley) can obviously sind. There are so many more artists out there to look for. You just have to.

My point in that their malfunction wardrobes have given good rappers in the industry a bad image that they are expected to follow. Why the hell does a rapper have to dress and look butt ugly as a thug. Couldn’t they rap with a different style, a more socially modest fashion. Heck, at this point I wouldn’t mind a Rapper dressed in something other then criminal wear. Hell, at this point I wouldn’t mind seeing a rapper dance in a tutu if it means I don’t have to look at some crooked baseball cap, countless fake bling, and underpants sticking out like advertisement boards for Haynes underwear.

Rappers who rely on their looks as a thug to sell their albums… how more simple can I get. Do I have to spell it out? Look, it’s tired, it’s generic, it’s insulting to my intelligence to believe they are hardcore gangsta’s. I don’t care what the rap industry has to do to break away from that stereotype, I don’t care if they have to be visited by Queer Eye for a Straight Guy, or even traditional Dutch clothing being forced on them. I want a change in imagery -_-0

Well, how about Andree 3000? or Saul Williams? or Buck 65? or Slug or Ant from Atmosphere? Puff Daddy (No, I am not quite fond of his music)?..Look, there are plenty of hip hop artists physically displaying the image you seek for.

If you must still consider me some guy stereotyping rap then remember that I didn’t create the stereotype, the rap industry did. My tastes just don’t suite it anymore and it’s why I rarely listen to it at all. If it weren’t for my friends I’d of given it up entirely by now. I can’t stand the industry that much right now.

so being ignorant enough to abide by stereotypes is fine? regardless of the fact that not ALL or even MOST hip hop artists nowadays do not talk about the subject matter you suggest they do?

withope, good post. hopefully that one will end this thread once and for all, for anyone who keeps complaining about the the same generalizations over and over and over again about hip hop. maybe i should make a thread about how all rock music talks about is wanting to commit suicide because he found his cheating girlfriend messing around with his best friend, or worshipping the devil. but why won’t i? because i know better, that there’s more to that genre than what i’ve stated. yet somehow, i bet you guys are okay with the fact that there was a sample used in sublime’s "doin’ time (summertime)". if you don’t like hip hop, that’s cool. but don’t sit up and talk about how much you DON"T like the genre for certain stereotypes that run rampant in it, even after there are examples given of artists that prove to be more diverse than the current trends.

most of the names (if not all) you can search on youtube. and when you do, please let this thread die.

here are a few more names (even tho i already named these a couple pages back):

N*E*R*D- Run to the Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM6jkEoQx1g)

Lupe Fiaco- Gold Watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIwH1ZceHEk)
Lupe Fiasco- And He Gets the Girl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS_BYIzWN7w) (uses a sample of N*E*R*D- Maybe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSR6UP9866c)

Kanye West ft Chris Martin- Homecoming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMqPoFPHz-o)
Kanye West- Everything I Am (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTdXfxUuiS8) (listen to the whole song)

Madvillain- ALL CAPS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzAxWPQaNlg)

MURS & 9th Wonder- Murray’s Revenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcsDYVnsFw)

Little Brother- Speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5YJK4BocY)

Hopefully if you listen to the above artists, it’ll change your opinion somewhat about the genre.

Hated? Thats all I hear around here. Why? I beleve it to like rock music once was. If some says they didn’t get in to rock’n’roll for the sex, they lie. I listened to Cypress Hill back in the day.

musical prefrance: goth, metal, techno, trance, jpop, jrock, jtrance.

I hate rap music because it makes all NORMAL black people look very bad in the eyes of everyone else. Plus they say the same shit over & over again.

For example: I smoke weed all day, I’m roolin’ on 20s or dubs, I fucked this bitch, I fucked that bitch, West Side mutha fucka!!!, East Side mutha fucka!!!, ghost ride the whip (WTF?) SKeet Skeet Skeet (I actually like that, that shit’s funny. Just don’t know what it means), Do the soulja boy (FUCK SOULJA BOY!!!!!) fuck the police, I got shot by this N****, I whupped this N***** ass & fucked his woman right in front of him. ETC ETC ETC!!!

I hate RAP MUSIC!!!!! *Clears throat* Didn’t mean to rant that much.

I hate rap music because it makes all NORMAL black people look very bad in the eyes of everyone else. Plus they say the same shit over & over again.

For example: I smoke weed all day, I’m roolin’ on 20s or dubs, I fucked this bitch, I fucked that bitch, West Side mutha fucka!!!, East Side mutha fucka!!!, ghost ride the whip (WTF?) SKeet Skeet Skeet (I actually like that, that shit’s funny. Just don’t know what it means), Do the soulja boy (FUCK SOULJA BOY!!!!!) fuck the police, I got shot by this N****, I whupped this N***** ass & fucked his woman right in front of him. ETC ETC ETC!!!

I hate RAP MUSIC!!!!! *Clears throat* Didn’t mean to rant that much.

aka rap makes people racially generalize people :rolleyes:. Rap cannot make anyone anymore racist then they already are.

SKeet Skeet Skeet

Mmm… not gonna explain that one someone else do it.:eggsweat:

aka rap makes people racially generalize people :rolleyes:. Rap cannot make anyone anymore racist then they already are.

quoted.

I think the initial movement of rap was good, Public Enemy, and even NWA (i don’t really know any other rap artists or groups). But by the way I understand it, that was when the audience for rap wasn’t as large as it is now, it was more underground. Plus, the adolescents living in the projects didn’t have a style of music that addressed their problems (ie being beaten or racially profiled by the police, living in poverty, etc). So I guess I’m saying that modern rap began as music that advocated rebellion against oppression.

Now, however, rich record companies have shifted the focus of rap songs. Another way I’ll say it is, and I’ll be very clear on this: the whites have made rap less about seriously questioning the oppression of blacks by whites, which is really what rap was about in the beginning. Now rap is seen as joke-music, something to poke fun at, because no one can take it seriously anymore. And this is because record companies have made rap artists famous if they sing about jerking off on titties and riding on shiney rims.

This is, I think, why people hate rap music now: it’s mainstream. By commercializing something that used to be a threat, rich whites have secured their place on top by eliminating something that could have sparked serious awareness and backlashes against inequality in America. Of course, one could argue, "Heyheyhey, look, black people have the same civil rights as whites, that’s what the whole movement in the 50’s and 60’s was about!" To that, I’m going to quote Chris Rock, who, in my opinion, put it very well: "Black people can be rich. But only white people can be wealthy. Sure, Shaq is rich. But not as rich as the white guy who signs his check!"

Anyway, I’m gonna get off this tangent, and end with this: I’m not going to say rap music sucks because it’s the same re-hashed garbage. I’m not going to say it sucks because it’s degrading to women, or is "pro-men," because there is certainly too much rap that goes, "I love you baby, ohh, I wanna touch you, I wanna hold you, till the sun goes down," etc., so that’s not a good reason. But I will say this: Rap music was good because it gave a new generation of under-priveleged people an identity. However, now that identity has been skewed by marketing to keep past inequalities in place, by opening it up to a wider ethnic range, and by, ultimately, ridiculing the entire genre of rap because of the often really stupid things they say in songs currently, which is a damn shame.

Beautiful Olde. Seriously, just beautiful. I agree completely.

I hate rap music because it makes all NORMAL black people look very bad in the eyes of everyone else. Plus they say the same shit over & over again.

For example: I smoke weed all day, I’m roolin’ on 20s or dubs, I fucked this bitch, I fucked that bitch, West Side mutha fucka!!!, East Side mutha fucka!!!, ghost ride the whip (WTF?) SKeet Skeet Skeet (I actually like that, that shit’s funny. Just don’t know what it means), Do the soulja boy (FUCK SOULJA BOY!!!!!) fuck the police, I got shot by this N****, I whupped this N***** ass & fucked his woman right in front of him. ETC ETC ETC!!!

I hate RAP MUSIC!!!!! *Clears throat* Didn’t mean to rant that much.

i can see people only post in here to read their own posts. i just gave you perfectly good examples of hip hop artists that DON"T always talk about those things.

and for you not to understand the reason for "f*ck the police", then you’ve never been racially profiled or harrassed by the police. so i know exactly what to think about your opinion on rap music.

To each his own.

To each his/her own. (sorry ladies)

RAP HUMILIATES WOMEN IN A PRONOUN WAY

Dear Bus Driver,

Busdriver is a true nig. Thank you for reminding me.

Love,

Meme

To add on, Oh Zing has a valid point. There is a documentary about how MTV uses young people to create a type of character that can connect to everybody. The same has been done to hip hop culture. It used to be underground, but once mainstream got a hold of it, it became a type of character. It’s funny to watch some suburban kids talk about bling and being a pimp, when the origins of this type of culture is undermined, ignored or all around negatively accepted. Understanding hip-hop requires looking back on it’s origins and who is it mainly targeted at and influenced by. However, far be it from me to tell people to like something or not like something. I do recommend Googling the documentary sometime and take a more in depth look at the culture in which it pertains to, just as some would for Japanese culture and the anime/manga. Every culture has positives and negatives, and can inspire people from even the opposite side of the tracks. Open mindeness is the key to understanding, acceptance wisdom, and freedom.

These are good post! It is nice to see people voice their opinion, no matter how broad, because it can allow us to reflect within ourselves and each other and want to learn about things outside our boundaries. As they say on the beginning of MK3 "There is no knowledge that is not power". (I’m sure other people have said it, but that’s where I first saw it) (lol)

There’s very few rap songs I would listen to (I can count them with half of one of my hands). I just get tired of hearing about shooting up niggers and slapping hoes all the time, along with the same repetitive beat that seems to loop ever 5 seconds. But that’s just me; I prefer metal over anything (especially because real instruments are involved in making the music, not a keyboard that can imitate the sounds of other instruments).

There’s very few rap songs I would listen to (I can count them with half of one of my hands). I just get tired of hearing about shooting up niggers and slapping hoes all the time, along with the same repetitive beat that seems to loop ever 5 seconds. But that’s just me; I prefer metal over anything (especially because real instruments are involved in making the music, not a keyboard that can imitate the sounds of other instruments).

If I were to stereotype Metal, I could say I only listen to a few metal songs, but I get tired of the same senseless screaming about complete nonsense like Satan and embracing the darkside. I could also say that those so-called musicians that use real instruments are not talented, they just make a bunch of loud noise with the senseless screaming. Real musicians don’t play metal music.

I won’t say that however, because I’m not ignorant enough to label a whole genre the same, because of BS commercialism. It’s a shame other people aren’t so open-minded.

Ignorance is bliss isnt it….

Just say you hate the culture and people that produce hip/hop rap and call it a day. No one single solitary post or reply has fortified your argument against hiphop.

There’s the ups and downs in both genres but to fairly compare you’d need to know 2 bands from each end and genre inside out and compare that way, I can’t remember decent rappers but I know Tupac was respected as a rap messiah amongst you gangsta people, now throw in something from the metal spectrum or even rock too, just exemplifying here, not being serious… Ozzy?
Ozzy vs Tupac, compare their ups, downs, strengths weaknesses then try to determine why they’re loved and hated, what they’ve achieved.
Of course its a question of why is rap hated and not Rap v metal.

So, that fails.

There’s the ups and downs in both genres but to fairly compare you’d need to know 2 bands from each end and genre inside out and compare that way, I can’t remember decent rappers but I know Tupac was respected as a rap messiah amongst you gangsta people, now throw in something from the metal spectrum or even rock too, just exemplifying here, not being serious… Ozzy?
Ozzy vs Tupac, compare their ups, downs, strengths weaknesses then try to determine why they’re loved and hated, what they’ve achieved.
Of course its a question of why is rap hated and not Rap v metal.

So, that fails.

Just who are the Gangsta people? Are you talking about the Mafia, Corrupted Governments? Drug Lords who ship drugs into the country? Illegal Gun Dealers? Murders? Rapists? Pedophiles?

I hope so, because you’re definitely not talking about people who like to listen to rap music. Those people are just ordinary citizens who like a certain genre of music. You fail for making such a stupid statement. Also many people try to argue against Rap by using Metal as an example. Therefore in a debate it’s fair game. Don’t get mad because Metal, and Rock can just as easily get stereotyped like Rap music does. The enlighten thinks before they speak, the ignorant just mouths off pure silliness like a lot of this stereotyped posts on this thread.

the gangsta people was just a silly poke at the stereotype label associated with the rap/hip hop genre.

all seeing eye, it’s pointless to keep arguing with these folks. they’d rather just plug their ears and run their mouths.

they complain about the sex, drugs, and violence in rap’s lyrics, but don’t these same vices exist in video games and anime? but you don’t hear me though (that’s hip hop slang for "my words fall upon deaf ears")

ah mainstream rap is just isnt as good

and of course its influencing the kids out there, dont hate rap, the good ones dont appear on TV as much and old skool raps are much better

Dark still has a good point. I can’t tell you how many anime I’ve seen where the girls are busty and the boys have bodies of body builders, even though those characters probably don’t work out. I like anime, but it would be interesting to see some MAIN characters with bodies that aren’t perfect. I’m sure there are, but I hardly hear of them. I guess that’s just the type of society we live in.

The only rap I really listen to is the old school stuff. Like Run DMC, Kurtis Blow, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five and Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force.

all seeing eye, it’s pointless to keep arguing with these folks. they’d rather just plug their ears and run their mouths.

they complain about the sex, drugs, and violence in rap’s lyrics, but don’t these same vices exist in video games and anime? but you don’t hear me though (that’s hip hop slang for "my words fall upon deaf ears")

Here’s the problem in that statement: people take the messages and the lifestyle in rap music too far, and it propagates a culture and lifestyle of underachievement, laziness and crime. The music is also easier to get hold of – it’s on the radio all the time. Even if you’re dead broke, you can get radio and TV. Not everyone has the money to go and buy anime and a 360 or PS3 or whatever.

RETARDS ATTEMPTING POETRY (RAP)

AND IT ISN’T MUSIC

RETARDS ATTEMPTING POETRY (RAP)

AND IT ISN’T MUSIC

Thank you for that insightful contribution. You are a credit to your species. Everyone here has made a general statement and backed it up with whatever misguided opinion they have but you, oh no you’re too smart for opinions. You’re too smart to put any time or thought into making a logical argument. I’m assuming you’re an assface because it seems that’s where the shit comes out. As far as retards go you are the biggest one I’ve seen. Even a 4 year old child will back up there pure ignorance with a sublimely horrible interpretation, but you have been mentally stunted to the mental capacity of an infant. I could go on forever on how stupid you are, how shitty your opinion is, and the fact that you’re an even bigger retard that those you accuse of being a retard. You obviously have shitty taste, and you are so narrow-minded any persuasive argument I would use would just go through your ass. And I don’t feel like anal-raping knowledge upon any retards anymore. In closing you suck, you are a disgrace to the human race, I’d be surprised if your family isn’t of the same caliber of stupidity as you are. Also fuck you, have a horrible day, here’s wishing you die painfully so that the average human IQ may have a chance. Please go die now.

There’s very few rap songs I would listen to (I can count them with half of one of my hands). I just get tired of hearing about shooting up niggers and slapping hoes all the time, along with the same repetitive beat that seems to loop ever 5 seconds. But that’s just me; I prefer metal over anything (especially because real instruments are involved in making the music, not a keyboard that can imitate the sounds of other instruments).

Not gonna get into a big argument with you. You atleast had the common sense to support your theory. Your theory is not fact. Kanye West went to college and is skilled in writing music, if you listen to his songs you can hear instruments. I’ve got an ear for classical so I can notice most instruments pretty fast. Also I don’t see how using a synthesizer or keyboard negates the composition of "music". What do you think Musicians do? Just touch an instrument and music flows through? They hear a melody in their head they touch the keys/strings play multiple sounds until they recreate the melody to the best of their ability if they can write music then they’ll write it down. The synthesizer does the same thing if you combine a rhythm, a melody and lyrics you have music there, my friend. Also time and time again people mass generalize the lyrics, not everybody talks about killing, whores, money and so forth. You want to make an informed decision try lookin for some positive rap, It’s not hard to find.

yes, rash generalizations. No, these artists are not household names but by you saying "i’m sick of all these hip hop artists displaying negative images." Well, I just showed you a handful of artists doing the opposite of everything you have listed. You won’t reach any level of truth by generalizing. and Actually underground/"indie" hip hop isn’t listened to by merely a black audience. If you go to a rather known underground hop hop artist’s show (such as Atmosphere, Busdriver, Aesop Rock, or Sage Francis), you will see more of a white audience, but i don’t see why that even matters. ha, the "few" that happen to be different. The names I listed were just a small percentage of artists that NOW exhibit creativity in their work…[QUOTE] But isn’t that the problem though? I no longer go around listening to rap, because of the mainstream crap? How am I going to go through all the generic crap to listen to some of these guys? I lost my love for rap, you didn’t, which is why you can appreciate and find all these little gems. You can only listen to so much before you start to tune everything out.

[QUOTE=Withope;1100707]And I know I’ve said this at least a few more times around this forum but how many different artists are people seeing on the TV or on the radio? It’s the same shit across the country. Most big radio stations in big cities have a contract with labels to play the label’s artists, so you’re going to be hearing the same shit wherever you go. I know one hit wonder rappers on the TV are a dime a dozen nowadays and people will be seeing another carbon copy of the label’s previous artist, but the underground outweighs the mainstream in quality AND obviously quantity. So why complain so much about the negativity in hip hop and not pursue the positivity that is thriving? The more you give attention to something, the more it will grow. Even if it’s bad promotion. Shit, George Bush won the election and with so many people bad mouthing him before he won the election too..Well, no surprise. The more you give attention the more it will thrive or grow. Anyways, getting off topic. That’s true, and probably the biggest reason rap got so big in the first place, and eventualy led to it’s mainstream downfall. Oh and not to mention my displeasure with the industry as a result. So my dislike of rap stems more from companies pormoting all the bad crap and leaving all the talented diverse guys hidden under the rubbish. Makes sense to me, though I have to admit it’s partialy my fault too for practicly cutting myself off from most rap I came across later on. Now all I listen to is the gospel rap from the local Evengelical Church my mom goes to.

Check turntablism or this video by Kid Koala…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KbFIGFv4GLQ

Check out Shadow…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZVoXzEoDM&NR=1

and all of Blockhead’s full lengths (Music by Cavelight, Downtown Science, and Uncle Tony’s Coloring Book are quite memorable. Andrew 3000 (from Outkast) has a pretty good voice as explored through Outkast’s release, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. oh and Cee-Lo (currently of Gnarls Barkley) can obviously sind. There are so many more artists out there to look for. You just have to.

I have to admit, much more likable then the mainstream stuff that’s been thrown at us. This may actualy make me reconsider how I listen to it if I decide putting down money a CD from one of the artists you mentioned.

Well, how about Andree 3000? or Saul Williams? or Buck 65? or Slug or Ant from Atmosphere? Puff Daddy (No, I am not quite fond of his music)?..Look, there are plenty of hip hop artists physically displaying the image you seek for.[/qoute] These guys are few in number though, well it’s to be expected considering the image most associated with rap. Which is why I probably wont see many on my local area dressed up even half as decent as those artists. Though some still dress a bit weird for my tastes like Andree but anything is better then rap mainstream’s huchi mamma fashion and gold tooched grins I see on so many rap album covers & Magazine covers. Yeah Puff Daddy does have style and one of the bigger names that doesn’t dress like a gimp. What I can’t appreciate in his music he at least presents a Fashion style even I envy at times.

[QUOTE=Withope;1100707]so being ignorant enough to abide by stereotypes is fine? regardless of the fact that not ALL or even MOST hip hop artists nowadays do not talk about the subject matter you suggest they do?
I admit I am ignorant about rap these days, afterall, my intrest in it has been dead for a while. But I feel insulted to be told that I follow a stereotype when I don’t.I never followed this stereotype, nor did ever say it was what rap was to core, it’s what it’s presented as a whole. No reason why I shouldn’t point out that flaw in rap as the reason I hate it. No the stereotype is what the rap industry headed into and drove me away from the genra. I’m trying to point out that this is the image that is conveyed and forced upon us in the media. Like I said, it’s WHY I left rap behind for the most part. I know there aren’t people fitting that rediculouse stereotype because I know guys who definately don’t fit into it. The one true thing I’m ignorant about is the mostly none mainstream and indi rappers out there because I stopped listening to rap as a whole.

My Beef is with the rap industry for the most part and the rappers who are mainstream. The consistant problems I layed out beforehand are the core of the issues in the mainstream that most people whine about. If the rappers and studio’s that do reach the top charts are usualy the ones promoting these negeative images and the media constantly covering these things, thus purpetualy contributing to the image and problem, then my faults with the rap industry can be considered correct (at least to some degree on many points even if you disagree with me) because it’s the music reaching the majority of the listeners.

I admire you’re love for rap man, and I wish I could do the same, but it’s relaly killed my intrest and love for it. You CAN blame me for my dislike of rap for not actiavely searching for some artist I can like, but it really did reach a point in the industry that I couldn’t stomach listening to it anymore and swore it off. The rap industry is pretty much in fault of my intolerence for it as well as it’s own stereotypes. This is the first time I’ve talked about rap in years, and that gives you an idea of either how ignorant I am, or how low the industry has reached, you can redicule me for it if you like, it’s just how I feel about it now.

@Olde

Love you’re post, wish you could throw in Chris rocks point about Car Rims and not helping a community. But you are right on about how it’s been twisted by the heads of these companies. Yes, these rappers have their own lables, but they usualy still have to go under the wing of another company owned by some guy or company with ties to fortune 500 companies (and in turn white people)

I have to give props to you Withope for pointing out all the good things about rap, but it’s going to be a while before anything changes enough for me to appreciate the finer things about rap for casual listeners. Sort of like Rock an hiphop, takes a while before you can find a artists that truely fits your tastes despite the mainstream. Difference is that although I can tolerate much of the music, rap repulses me too easily now (So much negativity :() before I could ever get to that point.

@DarkStill Good point about that. Games are lobbied against because of violence. Movies and TV for lack of imperfection. Anime for lack of differention in character builds and personalities (how many leads have been good hearted men bordering on retardation? I lost count… and rap for it’s mainstream message and image of sex, drugs, and violence. Thing is many of us can find the faults in all of these things, but how many of us actualy care not to listen/watch what we redicule? Or prevent our children from expereincing it? Fact is that for many of us it’s too entertaining.

So what it boils down to in the end is that guys like me, who loved rap as a kid just got tired of the front the media and artists held it up to. People want to hate me because I can’t stand rap, go ahead. I don’t expect everyone to like Yngwie Malmsteen’s Music either.

Sorry about double post and errors with the post…. long story short… my internet lately has been hell. it’s even threw a wrench in my plans to pay bills and even donate here. 🙁

I don’t have any bling!

rap music is hated beacuse of the amount of sexism and racism found in it.

That’s it, I’m going to listen to rap music just to spite this thread.

Its hated because this thread will not die.

haha, funny post Jeff. And it’s nice to see more open minded individuals.

But anyways.

But isn’t that the problem though? I no longer go around listening to rap, because of the mainstream crap? How am I going to go through all the generic crap to listen to some of these guys? I lost my love for rap, you didn’t, which is why you can appreciate and find all these little gems. You can only listen to so much before you start to tune everything out.

That’s true, and probably the biggest reason rap got so big in the first place, and eventualy led to it’s mainstream downfall. Oh and not to mention my displeasure with the industry as a result. So my dislike of rap stems more from companies pormoting all the bad crap and leaving all the talented diverse guys hidden under the rubbish. Makes sense to me, though I have to admit it’s partialy my fault too for practicly cutting myself off from most rap I came across later on. Now all I listen to is the gospel rap from the local Evengelical Church my mom goes to.

I suppose so, but like you said the industry, corporations, labels, etc. have watered down creativity so bad that yes it does make it more challenging to find anything melodically or poetically memorable. Look in other genres where the individuals are popular (besides maybe Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, NIN). Are a majority of their songs memorable? Aren’t some of these songs just a carbon copy of another? Aren’t some of these bands riding the current trend? It is hard to find creativity through a mainstream outlet. I honestly believe corporations want to keep you stupid, keep you uninformed, and gradually drain your brain through monotony. Most of the songs you hear on the radio aren’t memorable. They might be catchy and they can stick in your head if it’s drilled into your head, but I’m confident in the fact that "I’m on that grey goose, do i know you?" repeated 64 times doesn’t serve any longlasting beauty behind it (it’ll be out of your brain in a month). It’s a shame that children and individuals have to turn on television and find for the most part SHIT. But I guess the best thing to do is turn off the TV. Most of it is fairly negative to me (besides some shows like Hereos or a few comedy shows). The media blows everything out of proportion and highlights negative aspects of society to only reiterate those negative aspects. and the fact that they incorporate celebrity lifestyles into media coverage over coverage of the war or genocide in Darfur or genocide in Uganda is simply sad. For the most part, mainstream outlets portray a negative image. Like Jeff said it’s really not that hard to find positive rap. Hell, if you are truly interested I will make you a MP3 mix of what I consider good hip hop songs.

I have to admit, much more likable then the mainstream stuff that’s been thrown at us. This may actualy make me reconsider how I listen to it if I decide putting down money a CD from one of the artists you mentioned.

That’s good to hear. If you do decide to purchase a CD, I would suggest picking up DJ Shadow’s Entroducing.

These guys are few in number though, well it’s to be expected considering the image most associated with rap. Which is why I probably wont see many on my local area dressed up even half as decent as those artists. Though some still dress a bit weird for my tastes like Andree but anything is better then rap mainstream’s huchi mamma fashion and gold tooched grins I see on so many rap album covers & Magazine covers. Yeah Puff Daddy does have style and one of the bigger names that doesn’t dress like a gimp. What I can’t appreciate in his music he at least presents a Fashion style even I envy at times.

I see, I see. To be honest, I don’t care too much about fashion style. I guess to each their own.

I admit I am ignorant about rap these days, afterall, my intrest in it has been dead for a while. But I feel insulted to be told that I follow a stereotype when I don’t.I never followed this stereotype, nor did ever say it was what rap was to core, it’s what it’s presented as a whole. No reason why I shouldn’t point out that flaw in rap as the reason I hate it. No the stereotype is what the rap industry headed into and drove me away from the genra. I’m trying to point out that this is the image that is conveyed and forced upon us in the media. Like I said, it’s WHY I left rap behind for the most part. I know there aren’t people fitting that rediculouse stereotype because I know guys who definately don’t fit into it. The one true thing I’m ignorant about is the mostly none mainstream and indi rappers out there because I stopped listening to rap as a whole.

Well, from what i gathered from your posts it seemed as if you were saying that MOST/ALL hip hop/rap talks about that same crap when in reality most rappers do not. For me, I’m never going to totally disregard a genre due to some bad songs I heard from it.

My Beef is with the rap industry for the most part and the rappers who are mainstream. The consistant problems I layed out beforehand are the core of the issues in the mainstream that most people whine about. If the rappers and studio’s that do reach the top charts are usualy the ones promoting these negeative images and the media constantly covering these things, thus purpetualy contributing to the image and problem, then my faults with the rap industry can be considered correct (at least to some degree on many points even if you disagree with me) because it’s the music reaching the majority of the listeners.

Well, yes I have a problem with corporations/labels/puppets displaying a negative image to the majority of the country. But again, if the majority of the hip hop/rap you see on the television or hear on the radio is bad, why not search for artists that display positive or progressive lyrics? When people get so caught up with negative aspects especially when it is popular it only makes it grow.

I admire you’re love for rap man, and I wish I could do the same, but it’s relaly killed my intrest and love for it. You CAN blame me for my dislike of rap for not actiavely searching for some artist I can like, but it really did reach a point in the industry that I couldn’t stomach listening to it anymore and swore it off. The rap industry is pretty much in fault of my intolerence for it as well as it’s own stereotypes. This is the first time I’ve talked about rap in years, and that gives you an idea of either how ignorant I am, or how low the industry has reached, you can redicule me for it if you like, it’s just how I feel about it now.

Thank you. Yes, mainstream hip hop has pretty much been taken over by the corporations that own it, therefore it becomes a business and usually displays very little signs of creativity. I don’t feel like I should ridicule you, but I guess I would say become more informed about these artists (if you’re interested).

I have to give props to you Withope for pointing out all the good things about rap, but it’s going to be a while before anything changes enough for me to appreciate the finer things about rap for casual listeners. Sort of like Rock an hiphop, takes a while before you can find a artists that truely fits your tastes despite the mainstream. Difference is that although I can tolerate much of the music, rap repulses me too easily now (So much negativity :() before I could ever get to that point.

again, I could make you a MP3 mix of some underground/indie artists that are NOW putting out some memorable work.

Just listen to D???lek or some neat Anticon artists imo.

I dio like rap music from time to time… although, I am annoyed with cocky twats who make "rap with a message." Sorry folk, Tupac is dead, so you can stop sucking right now. I like my rap to have humour in it. And i believe that Wu Tang Clan is the pinnacle that rap is gonna get. I also like MC Chris, who is a nerdcore master.

There are other guys i like who are a bit more serious in there music, but don’t suck shit. Aesop Rock, and Buck 65 are examples of this. So yeah, I hate most rappers, but not the genre. Because there are godlike artists in the genre.

Rap & hip hop has been whored out by the media just like "punk" and "metal", giving it a bad name hell I blame MTV.

Good Hip Hop:
Wu Tang Clan, Gravediggaz (Too Poetic RIP), Mr.Lyf, The Perceptionists, Company Flow, Psycho Realm, Abstract Rude, Living Legends, Souls Of Mischief, Grand Puba & Brand Nubian, Swollen Members, Dilated Peoples, A tribe called quest, Das EFX, special ed, main source

and so on

Good Rap:
Big L (RIP), BG knocc out & gangsta dresta, brotha lynch hung, mc eiht & comptons most wanted, madd circle, cypress hill, Above The Law, Smif N Wesson

and so on

– Yes There is a Difference between hip hop and rap, yet sometimes it gets blended
– you cannot hate hip hop, rap yes, but hip hop is such a broad view of ideals you can only hate the artist, not the genre.

Yes I am A Big Hip Hop head and like old school rap with a few exceptions, but no I like thrash metal, real punk and old school rock aswell.

So I’m not being biased.