TROY/ YARED’S REJECTED SCORE (flac)

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This is a marvelous score and a remarkable departure for Yared. How the Flac version was released and found its way to the Internet is of no concern. Warner Bros. feels the need to punish Yared and his music… his music that was far better than the quickie Horner score. What was truly abominable was Horner relating in an interview that Yared was an inferior composer who didn’t know what he was doing. This from a composer notorious for his ‘lifting from others’ proclivities. The music was used as a scapegoat for a dreadful film. Nothing could have made that movie remotely good. This music could have launched Yared into new directions. There is a documentary featuring commentary by the late Anthony Minghella who states Yared’s biggest frustration with film music was the lack of time afforded to create it. He also was very frustrated after his Oscar for The English Patient that resulted in assignments to score sappy romantic films… most where the guy dies at the end. Yared was right to be upset with Warner Bros. Sadly almost every composer has suffered their score being bumped for one reason or another and replaced. Look at Goldsmith’s career. This however was a case where something new might have blossomed.

Happily, the music is just dandy.

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Horner’s Troy:

The music critic Alex Ross claims that large portions of THAT score were essentially plagiarized from works by Shostakovich and Prokofiev; one instance cited by Ross, fanfares from Benjamin Britten’s War Requiem, has been explicitly recognized by another critic as an "exact copy".

(it is nice to know that Horner listened to LOTS of classical music)

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This is a marvelous score and a remarkable departure for Yared. How the Flac version was released and found its way to the Internet is of no concern. Warner Bros. feels the need to punish Yared and his music… his music that was far better than the quickie Horner score. What was truly abominable was Horner relating in an interview that Yared was an inferior composer who didn’t know what he was doing. This from a composer notorious for his ‘lifting from others’ proclivities. The music was used as a scapegoat for a dreadful film.

This score and movie came out in 2004. It’s 2017. Get over it already. You just said it’s a dreadful film. No one remembers it (ironic given the message of the film about immortality and…whatever) and that Alex Ross nonsense was just as pointless then as it is now. Does anyone even care who Alex Ross is….who doesn’t think of the brilliant comic book artist with the same name?

Do you still cry foul that Michael Keaton, "Mr. Mom" himself, played Batman in 1989?

Sour grapes sit very well with you don’t they?

Guess who said this:

"Quoting, you know, is quite an art. You need to integrate a quote in such a way that it does not hurt your own music or the original composer’s. That’s a far cry from the practice of imitation that is so pervasive in film music. When Monet quoted the Renaissance painters, he used it so well in his own canvases that he achieves a wondrous kind of unity. Here, in the United States, people tend to confuse quotes with pastiche or worse, plagiarism. I am not one of those composers who hide their quotes for fear of being criticized, or for fear of having to admit how much they depend on them. One must never quote blindly, just to please oneself or the producers."

Spoken during a conversation in 1998. I’ll leave it to you to guess who actually said it. It was a long time ago, longer than the movie Troy came out. But if you’re still going to hold onto that decade-plus bitterness, I might as well join in with a nearly two decade old mention response to the very criticism that not-comic artist had to say.

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The best part about a ‘Troy’ thread is the inevitable Horner deriders vs. Horner apologists debate.

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I read in the past years, an interview to Horner. In that interview, Horner said he was surprised about Yared’s departure, because the music was phenomenal, truly inspired in the time. Sadly, the way of how Hollywood is actually, they do not allow to composer have freedom to write the music as the composer thinks is the right way. Most producers and directors just want to imitate the sound for a movie that had a financial success, even he (Horner) had seen how his scores have been rejecteds. In the case of Yared, Horner said that he wrote the music as he thinks it was the right music having the time to have creativity, even the music was accepted by Petersen himself. But, behind the movie, the producers said to Petersen they not liked the music Yared was writing for the film, saying to Petersen get fire Yared and choose another composer. Petersen didn’t do that, thinking the situation never would arrive to the departure of Yared, but that was the mistake of Petersen. The producers were pressing to Petersen and Petersen never, never said nothing about the problems of the producers with the score to Yared. And when the test screening arrived with the music of Yared, Petersen knew in that moment that Yared would be fired. The thing blow up, Yared got fired, Petersen never said nothing to Yared in the past months about his score, and the producers at the same time called Horner to write the music, pressing Petersen and Horner himself having the confirmation through Petersen. Of course, Yared was so angry with Petersen and the producers because they never let Yared to rewrite the score, and most important, Yared considered Petersen a friend and he never said nothing, assuming Petersen knew the situation and why, even he knew the situation, he encourage Yared to write the score for a 1 year. Also Horner said, that those ways were unknown to Yared and never thought he would walk in that way, just for the simply reason that the producers never think Yared is their ideal option because he never wrote a score for an epic film and Yared never wrote music for a film like that. But never said he was an inferior composer or never knew how to write a music for films like that.

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The best part about a ‘Troy’ thread is the inevitable Horner deriders vs. Horner apologists debate.

Well, if one is still going to be all bitter about it and cite an obscure piece of criticism no one has ever really cared about, it does make me wonder what other grudges people hold onto for over 10 years. It makes no sense to me to remain upset considering how the film was forgotten, the scores – both of them – forgotten. Both composers long moved on, one passed away…I don’t get the point. He could have just posted the score and let it be that, but no. That’s on him. I took issue with it. Simple.

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I read in the past years, an interview to Horner. In that interview, Horner said he was surprised about Yared’s departure, because the music was phenomenal, truly inspired in the time. Sadly, the way of how Hollywood is actually, they do not allow to composer have freedom to write the music as the composer thinks is the right way. Most producers and directors just want to imitate the sound for a movie that had a financial success, even he (Horner) had seen how his scores have been rejecteds. In the case of Yared, Horner said that he wrote the music as he thinks it was the right music having the time to have creativity, even the music was accepted by Petersen himself. But, behind the movie, the producers said to Petersen they not liked the music Yared was writing for the film, saying to Petersen get fire Yared and choose another composer. Petersen didn’t do that, thinking the situation never would arrive to the departure of Yared, but that was the mistake of Petersen. The producers were pressing to Petersen and Petersen never, never said nothing about the problems of the producers with the score to Yared. And when the test screening arrived with the music of Yared, Petersen knew in that moment that Yared would be fired. The thing blow up, Yared got fired, Petersen never said nothing to Yared in the past months about his score, and the producers at the same time called Horner to write the music, pressing Petersen and Horner himself having the confirmation through Petersen. Of course, Yared was so angry with Petersen and the producers because they never let Yared to rewrite the score, and most important, Yared considered Petersen a friend and he never said nothing, assuming Petersen knew the situation and why, even he knew the situation, he encourage Yared to write the score for a 1 year. Also Horner said, that those ways were unknown to Yared and never thought he would walk in that way, just for the simply reason that the producers never think Yared is their ideal option because he never wrote a score for an epic film and Yared never wrote music for a film like that. But never said he was an inferior composer or never knew how to write a music for films like that.

Wrong.

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Troy: (Gabriel Yared/James Horner) In the arduous process of making what he deemed would be the biggest motion picture of all time, director Wolfgang Petersen spent $175 million taking over part of the Mediterranean island of Malta for the shooting of Troy. The 2004 re-envisioning of the Trojan War and attack on Troy by the armies of Greece had "epic" written all over its production values, including a variety of male leads led by Brad Pitt flexing his beach-appropriate muscles as famed warrior Achilles. Peter O’Toole’s performance as the King of Troy, as true a nod to classic epics of Hollywood as anything in this movie, is made memorable by an unnatural, booming mix of his voice. Spectacular sets and costumes were betrayed, however, by the inane treatment of the story itself, alternating between boring conversational scenes and generic action involving special effects modeled after The Lord of the Rings. Critically, Troy has often been referred to as one of the most expensive flops in the history of cinema, though while it failed to recoup its budget domestically, lingering overseas grosses eventually neared half a billion dollars, at least earning Warner Brothers a fair sum of cash for its artistically flawed property. It has also often been said that no music score could have saved Troy from its much larger troubles, though its soundtrack has become its most famous production element. Petersen approached Academy Award winner Gabriel Yared more than a year before the film’s scheduled release, hiring the classically-inclined composer despite the obvious fact that Yared had never written an epic battle score of this magnitude in his life. The director put a significant amount of faith in Yared based on the quality of music that he had heard in the composer’s existing works, and Yared was eager to branch out of the romance and drama genres in which he felt himself trapped by his success in those modes (he sought Troy as means of expressing his action style and 1408 as an opportunity to finally tackle a mainstream thriller). In April of 2003, Yared began work on the score for Troy, researching source music necessary in the shooting of several scenes on location. Recording the rest of the score later in the year, Yared assembled a 100-piece orchestra in London, added layovers by a 25-member brass section, hired a Bulgarian chorus to produce authentic Eastern-European vocals and, most importantly, sought the help of Macedonian singer Tanja Tzarovska for a specific flavor of solo vocals.

The undertaking was immense, with considerable diversity in the recording sessions all dubbed into a nearly-finished product that was included as part of the film in test showings of Troy in March of 2004. Enthusiasm among all of those involved with the project was great (especially with the musicians and recording crew), including the strong approval of the music by the director. Hopes were sky high. In two test screenings in California, however, the film received very low marks, and the filmmakers claim that every viewer indicated that Yared’s partially finished soundtrack was a primary reason for their dismay. It had been criticized as being "too brassy and bold," ironically too old-fashioned for the modern expectations of historical epic music. The studio went into a panic, and Petersen immediately sought help from other composers even before he summarily terminated Yared and expunged his score from the film. In general, rejected scores are a surprisingly frequent occurrence in Hollywood. High talent like Jerry Goldsmith and John Barry on many occasions had functional (if not exceptional) music rejected from a film for one curious reason or another. What happened with Troy, however, is an exception. Yared contended that he was offered no chance to remix or rerecord any of his music, with Warner Brothers executives very suddenly dismissing the entire work as being too incompatible with their newfound notions of what the score should sound like. Peterson, who was largely responsible for requesting the old-fashioned epic sound from Yared in the first place, did nothing to defend Yared despite his overflowing support for the composer prior to the screenings. Even as Yared still had orchestral sessions scheduled to put the finishing touches on the score, Peterson desperately called John Debney for last minute assistance and was turned down. The director then pleaded for help from James Horner, with whom he had collaborated on The Perfect Storm. Horner’s reaction was one of smug, indignant disdain for how his score was badly mixed with the sound effects of the oceans in that prior work, but he accepted the challenge of scoring Troy in just ten days after viewing the same unfinished version presented in the screenings and being horrified by Yared’s score. "I don’t even know how to describe how atrocious the music was," Horner stated not long after. "It was like a 1950’s Hercules movie. And it wasn’t because Gabriel’s not a gifted writer; it’s because he just doesn’t have any knowledge of writing film scores. Real film scores like that. It was so corny. It was unbelievable."

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One of the unexpected bonuses that resulted from Yared’s fate was the creation of a lengthy “promo” CD comprising the 18 score tracks which had been fully recorded and mastered prior to it being rejected. Sound clips (which he was subsequently forced to remove) were made available on Yared’s website for all to hear; this CD is the real deal – almost 80 minutes of wonderful music which, when listened to, cannot help but make one wonder what the film would have sounded like with this music attached to it. While I certainly enjoyed the version of Troy that hit cinemas, with Horner’s score attached, I feel sure Yared’s music would have made it better still.

Yared’s Troy is a full-throated, balls-out epic of the classic kind, written for a huge orchestra, full choir, assorted percussion instruments, and solo ethnic vocals. The core of the score is a descending-ascending three-note motif, first heard during the opening moments of “Approach of the Greeks”, and which forms the cornerstone of the majority of the film’s action cues thereafter. “D-Day Battle” features the 3-note motif in a powerful brass setting, surrounded by fluid, swelling, melodically-led orchestral action that majestically accompanies the approach of Menelaus’ Greek army to the shores of Troy. “Battle of the Arrows” sees the motif being sung by the choir under a churning orchestral onslaught, before emerging into a stirring rendition of the beautiful choral hymn first heard in “Achilles’ Destiny”. “The Sacking of Troy” sees the motif used in a more nervous way, underwritten by off-center snare drums and a more ominous feel, before emerging into a triumphant orchestral sequence that segues, via an interesting contrapuntal choral segment, into the menacing-yet-moving finale, “Achilles’ Death”.

These bold action sequences are counterbalanced by a delicate love theme, which seems to be a direct descendent from his work on The English Patient and others. “Helen and Paris” and “Achilles and Briseis” both offer touchingly simple melodies for woodwinds and strings, the romance of which comes as a welcome breathing opportunity, and the restraint of which underlines Yared’s confidence in the strength of the emotion of his music.

In addition to this, there are many wonderful individual moments which hint at the kind of music Yared is capable of creating for this kind of canvas. “Achilles and Boagrius” is another wonderfully realized action cue, eventually emerging into a muscular, throbbing piece for brass and percussion that illustrates a domineering side we didn’t know Yared had. “Sparta” echoes to wonderfully exotic middle-eastern rhythms and more than a hint of the Turkish bazaar. “1000 Ships” swells to an enormous crescendo that reverberates with choral majesty as Achilles and the Greeks cross the mighty Aegean. “Hector! Hector!” is more subdued that one might imagine, playing on notions of heroism and noble resignation as the Trojan leader reluctantly agrees to fight the Greek warrior Achilles; the fight itself is underpinned by tribal, almost savage percussive rhythms which rattle and reverberate alongside the swords and shields of the protagonists.

And then there is Macedonian-born vocalist Tanja Tzarovska, who lends her thoroughly unique voice to “Mourning Women” and “Hector’s Funeral”. Without wanting to be unkind, at times Tzarovska sounds as though she is being murdered: her voice is shrill, loud, and uncompromising, but despite the discomfort of actually listening to her performance, its effectiveness cannot be denied. Her strangled, tortured tones add a sense of lamentable desperation and grief – exactly the intended effect, and her performance of the “End Credits Song” gives the score a sense of moving finality. In the end, war is futile. Everyone dies. It is perhaps no coincidence that Tzarovska’s vocal work is one of the elements Horner chose to carry over to his replacement score.

Despite all the glowing praise, Yared’s score is certainly not 100% perfect. At times his percussive rhythms bring to mind Ravel’s ‘Bolero’ or Holst’s “Mars the Bringer of War” from The Planets, and although Yared has himself stated that he has no “culture” in film music, and does not listen to other film scores, his music is also occasionally reminiscent of Zimmer’s Gladiator, and references the stylistics of Poledouris, Goldsmith, and the choral writing of Graeme Revell (although this is likely to be nothing more than a coincidence, probably due to the fact that all composers draw inspiration from similar classical sources). Having said all this, Yared’s Troy remains a blisteringly good score, a thoroughly entertaining listen, and one cannot help but wonder how much better the film would have been had this music remained intact. I just hope Warner Brothers see fit to give Yared’s work the recognition it deserves and allow it to be released to the general public; music this good should not go un-heard. As it is, had it not been rejected, it would unquestionably have been one of the best scores – if not the best score – of 2004.

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Is this any different then the other versions that have been posted in the past?

I remember the film had amazing trailer music by an artist named Musikvergnuegen. The version made for the teaser trailer has been leaked for years, but there was a faster-paced version used for a later trailer. Personally, I wish they had used it in the film.

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There are fewer tracks in this – sixteen tracks as opposed to eighteen.

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