http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-replaces-929387
Either way Disney is probably going to mandate him to include the Imperial March.
Vader will appear, so the March is a given.
Though, I would have been very interested in Desplat’s score. He already worked with the director for "Godzilla" and the DOP for "Zero Dark Thirdy" and I think it had all the potential of a great score / director / DOP collaboration!
Giacchino is no Williams but he’s probably the closest composer alive who can do a Williams-like score.
Giacchino is no Williams but he’s probably the closest composer alive who can do a Williams-like score.
I agree with you about Desplat’s style, though I still think he should be the best choice. "Rogue One" is a movie in the Star Wars universe, but essentially extremely different from any of the Star Wars movies. This is a war movie, thus the similarity to Williams is pointless (and maybe Giacchino’s style, being similar to Williams but still not even close to his, can damage the movie).
Also, I think that maybe Desplat had never the chance of making a huge movie like this (besides the last HP movies) where to use his talent. I’m convinced he’d make a good score, probably not iconic, but still very efficent with wise use of Williams’ themes. Also, I think that his style perfectly matches the film’s tone and visual style.
Anyway, we cannot change the situation. I hope Giacchino will make a great job!!! 😀
On a related note Disney does not expect Rogue One to do as well as TFA did at the box office.
Also, I think that maybe Desplat had never the chance of making a huge movie like this (besides the last HP movies) where to use his talent. I’m convinced he’d make a good score, probably not iconic, but still very efficent with wise use of Williams’ themes. Also, I think that his style perfectly matches the film’s tone and visual style.
Anyway, we cannot change the situation. I hope Giacchino will make a great job!!! 😀
Agreed. Let me point out Williams scored Saving Private Ryan which is a war movie and his "Hymn to the Fallen" is probably one of the best pieces of music Williams has ever composed. And Desplat had his huge movie with Godzilla and pulled off a decent but not particularly memorable score.
He certainly didn’t compose anything as iconic as Akira Ifukube’s Godzilla (Main Theme).
He certainly didn’t compose anything as iconic as Akira Ifukube’s Godzilla (Main Theme).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74E4OFTJNW0
I agree here too, though I don’t think that, for the spin-offs, is vital to keep a score similar to Williams. To me is more important the harmony between directior, composer and cinematographer, because in the movie the image is joint with the music and the director is behind that harmony. To me, Giacchino’s approach doesn’t fit the war genre of the movie (as much as I feel from the trailer…) as well as the imagery, while Desplat already has experience with both the director and DOP of Rogue One. Take Star Trek Beyond as example: new director and new DOP (both from the Fast & Furious movies). To me the score was very inefficent compared to the previous two movies (especially the first one) because it was the first collaboration with the new director and the imagery was completely different. I bet that Brian Tyler, who worked with both the director & DOP in 4 movies would have done a better job.
Then, this is just my humble opinion 🙂
On a related note Disney does not expect Rogue One to do as well as TFA did at the box office.
Well no surprise there. Disney’s a smart company and they know not to expect a spin-off to do as well as a main entry. It’d be like expecting Guardians of the Galaxy to outgross The Avengers. Disney saying "We’re not expecting Rogue One to make as much as TFA" really isn’t news or a surprise. It doesn’t mean Disney thinks the film is bad or whatever, they’re just a smart company and know a spin-off will not gross as much as a main entry.
You’re right.
Basically my main worries for the score are the limited time Giacchino has to write the music and the lack of a previous collaboration with both the DOP and especially the director (that I think is vital for the wellness cinematic experience).
But Giacchino can prove me wrong, mainly because he’s a massive John Williams fan and was heavily influenced by Star Wars (just like JJ Abrams) when he was a kid, so I believe he’ll push himself to make the best work possible 😀
We’ll see! :awsm:
There’ll be a lot of them! :laugh:
But we have no chance of listening to those.
But we have no chance of listening to those.
What about the trailers’ music? Could they have been composed by Desplat?
All the trailers were done by expendable production music composers.
Probably until sometime in November with the tracklist under wraps for even longer to avoid another "Qui-Gon’s Noble Death" scenario.
Just like with Jurassic World, they’re going to point to the Williams score and say, "do that."
Either way Dr. Strange and Star Wars are two completely different animals.
I agree in that. But I share the same fear DAK has… I really think Desplat would have been the best for Rogue One, unless Giacchino reprises the same greatness of the first "Star Trek" score.
All the trailers were done by expendable production music composers.
That explains why TFA’s trailer music was so much emotionally compelling than the actual score.
First time i’ve ever been disappointed by a Williams soundtrack.
Probably Disney’s fault.
I’m sure that will rustle some people’s jimmies.
First time i’ve ever been disappointed by a Williams soundtrack.
Probably Disney’s fault.
I’m sure that will rustle some people’s jimmies.
The trailer music is designed to be "emotionally compelling" with bombastic versions of the main theme and chorus that built a 30-seconds climax. But no film score can be written is this way, because it’s the cheapest way to write "emotional" music.
You clearly haven’t watched Man of Steel, or BvS! 😛
That’s not quite it. The complaint regarding TFA (that I can sympathize with to an extent) is that there is nothing immediately memorable regarding the score to the casual moviegoer. Many of Williams’s previous works that have entered mainstream culture have been pieces that wrestle attention away from the picture: think of the effect of Jaws, or the chorus of Duel of the Fates, or of course the bombastic opening to any Star Wars film. Nothing so blatant was in TFA. Williams is exploring musical storytelling in a new fashion now, and it takes a more sensitive ear to appreciate it. Of course, mainstream audience are anything but sensitive, and consider Williams a senile hack for failing to slam their ears into submission as Zimmer so often does.
It’s strange because i think Rey’s Theme is one of the most memorable themes in years.
You clearly haven’t watched Man of Steel, or BvS! 😛
My sentence was not referred to every film score out there, actually. In my mind, I meant "No great film score can be written this way". You know, you John Williams’ stuff.
Strangely, though Zimmer often uses that ‘cheap’ scoring method, I truly enjoy it a lot, even MoS and BvS (but I think MoS was more decent and balanced and BvS too much bombastic, though it works well in the movie and gives some great moments). He combines "easy" music with creative themes; but I got what you meant. I personally consider Zimmer to be an exception to that.
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It’s strange because i think Rey’s Theme is one of the most memorable themes in years.
Definitely yes. There’s also Kylo Ren’s theme, "Jedi Steps and Finale", "I Can Fly Anything", "The Ways of the Force", "March of the Resistance", "Attack on the Jakku Village"… all of them are gorgeous cues, once you get their beaty and Williams’ new fashion, as Skelly said.
Definitely, with the sequels trilogy Williams will re-write film music (if he manages to score the next two movies)!
Yes! I can’t wait too!
I just hope Williams’ health will allow him to score even Ep IX…
I totally share your idea on Desplat, he’d been soooo good for Rogue One! We’ll see what Giacchino did. I know he wrote the entire score in 4� weeks, and did not uften used many references to John Williams’s themes, just a couple of times (no clue on wheter he’ll use the Imperial March…). I really hope that this limited time had forced him to use wisely some well-crafted leitmotifs, and that he took inspiration for his childhood while he was listening to John Williams’s score for Star Wars… Nowadays many of Giacchino’s scores sound to me very bland, theme-less, with instruments following a casual order of notes or inefficient themes… many, except those he did for JJ Abrams, Pete Docter and Brad Bird.
I totally share your idea on Desplat, he’d been soooo good for Rogue One! We’ll see what Giacchino did. I know he wrote the entire score in 4� weeks, and did not uften used many references to John Williams’s themes, just a couple of times (no clue on wheter he’ll use the Imperial March…). I really hope that this limited time had forced him to use wisely some well-crafted leitmotifs, and that he took inspiration for his childhood while he was listening to John Williams’s score for Star Wars… Nowadays many of Giacchino’s scores sound to me very bland, theme-less, with instruments following a casual order of notes or inefficient themes… many, except those he did for JJ Abrams, Pete Docter and Brad Bird.
"Theme-less"?
Almost all of Giacchino’s recent output has a wealth of themes and motifs.
Almost all of Giacchino’s recent output has a wealth of themes and motifs.
I’m referring to the overall tendency I found in some of his recent scores for new collaborations with new directors (thus, I’m not counting "Inside Out", "Star Trek", "Into Darkness", "Super 8", "Tomorrowland", made with long-time collaborators JJ Abrams, Pete Docter and Brad Bird). The specific movies I’m referring to are especcially "Jurassic World" (that was good when relied on William’s theme, and had a few nice moments but to me overall disappointing), "Star Trek Beyond" (I couldn’t find any new theme as I watched the movie in theater, especcially for the villain, and the references to previous themes for JJ’s movies were minimal) and "Doctor Strange" (I remeber he used the theme for Strange and a musical ‘pattern’ for the scenes for magic, but I didn’t find its use memorable or particular efficient, the overall score was to me inmemorable and it used cheap techniques for some scenes).
I can’t say a word on "Zootropia" and other movies he scored recently, because I haven’t seen them and my opinion on the three movies I cited above are based on my only listen based on the experience at the cinema. I haven’t seen "Tomorrowland" but I trust it was better because of Brad Brid’s long collaboration with Giacchino.
I really miss his scores for the first "Star Trek" movie, where there’s a memorable theme for the Enterprise, for the villain Nero, a theme for Spock (and his family moments), as well for Kirk, I think. There are also some very listenable and efficient music for the various battle scenes, hand-to-hand as well as space battles. Also "Into Darkness" featured great music for Khan and some dramatic moments but I found the overall score to be weaker than the first. I also miss his score for "Super 8" with the memorable themes for the family, for the alien and other characters.
Such quality I couldn’t find (at first viewing of the movie, so I might need to see/hear the film/score more times to catch the quality of Giacchino’s music).
This is my overall impression: Giacchino’s scores for directors he already worked with multiple times are good, but those he makes for directors he never worked with are weak and unmemorable at first listen. Or it could be just me and my ears, used to Zimmer’s approach with multiple new themes and leit-motifs in each new movie, a style different from Giacchino’s.
Well about the them-less scores, it’s true that in score with directors he has worked before, he delivers great scores, like you have said Star Trek, Tomorrowland, Inside Out or Super 8, wich is one of my favourite scores of him from the past years. His other scores are not that memorable, but for example I liked a lot the Doctor Strange Theme, maybe because it was a bit similar to Star Trek, but is one of the best Marvel scores to date, for me. His Jurassic World score was great when Williams themes appeared and in the last part of the score but other scores like Jupiter Ascending, like i have said above, were awesome, with great memorable themes and awesome action cues like Hellava Chase or Shadow Chase. I also loved the score of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes becuase it had a different style and that was great.
I hope, despite the fact he hasn’t worked with the director before, he can create a great score with some meorable themes and some uses of Williams original themes. I have read in somewhere that Desplat had made a part of the score so maybe Giacchino took this cues and modified them a bit to adapt them to the movie with his own style, so we could hear some of Desplat work in here (this is just a wish of mine but it would be great if it was true)
If Desplat ever made something, it could be demos or sheets, nothing recorded, for sure. When Giacchino was contacted by Disney, he chose not to use Desplat’s music, and not even to listen what he did, so that he could start from scratch. And so he did. Nothing will survive of Desplat, unless those hypothetical demos leak somehow.
I can’t say a word on "Zootropia" and other movies he scored recently, because I haven’t seen them and my opinion on the three movies I cited above are based on my only listen based on the experience at the cinema. I haven’t seen "Tomorrowland" but I trust it was better because of Brad Brid’s long collaboration with Giacchino.
I really miss his scores for the first "Star Trek" movie, where there’s a memorable theme for the Enterprise, for the villain Nero, a theme for Spock (and his family moments), as well for Kirk, I think. There are also some very listenable and efficient music for the various battle scenes, hand-to-hand as well as space battles. Also "Into Darkness" featured great music for Khan and some dramatic moments but I found the overall score to be weaker than the first. I also miss his score for "Super 8" with the memorable themes for the family, for the alien and other characters.
Such quality I couldn’t find (at first viewing of the movie, so I might need to see/hear the film/score more times to catch the quality of Giacchino’s music).
This is my overall impression: Giacchino’s scores for directors he already worked with multiple times are good, but those he makes for directors he never worked with are weak and unmemorable at first listen. Or it could be just me and my ears, used to Zimmer’s approach with multiple new themes and leit-motifs in each new movie, a style different from Giacchino’s.
Jurassic Word didn’t rely on Williams’ themes, Giacchino wrote four primary identities for that score which featured more prominently. I think the use of the Island theme in the film was a mistake in the sense that it didn’t fit the visuals they accompanied.
If they’re weak and unmemorable on your first impression, it says more about you than the quality of the score…
I was referring to those few musical quotes to Williams’ themes, I didn’t meant that the entire score was based on Williams’ themes.
As for those four leit-motifs, I’d really love to hear them, I must have missed ’em! Can you list the tracks where they appear on the OST? 😀
Maybe I’ll change my mind on Giacchino’s recent works…
If they’re weak and unmemorable on your first impression, it says more about you than the quality of the score…
Most probably! Giacchino isn’t my cup of tea, I’m more used to Zimmer’s themes and style. Maybe I need to listen to the score a dozen of times to truly grasp its inner beauty: this happened to me with The Force Awakens. At first I was hugely disappointed, but after countless listens to the OST, I learned to love most of the score.
The first clip of the film has just been released, and the music appears to be good! 😀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMmmN3ey1YE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMmmN3ey1YE
It sounds like classic Williams action cues. If the score is like this, I wil love it!
Same for me!
Edit: Does the clip involve a Stormtrooper battle? Because I think I just saw it.
I don’t know what everyone was so worried about. It sounds exactly as I thought it would. I’m also hearing plenty of Williams and some moments similar to his Call of Duty score in here too. Fantastic!
And now I know what Giacchino meant when he said there was an "F*** load of timpani" in this score. :laugh:
First clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqVHdIB2qs&feature=youtu.be&t=191
Second clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IjBvuvJ1gs
Third clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQAN1Cmlunw
Fourth clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTZL286S6fg
It wasn’t Giacchino.
First clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqVHdIB2qs&feature=youtu.be&t=191
Second clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IjBvuvJ1gs
Third clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQAN1Cmlunw
Fourth clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTZL286S6fg
Fifth clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0d60IYk6Xk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3tBf3hn64Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Qo6syOeIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfz2zzDiShI
The score appears to be… nice. I can’t say yet if it as good as Giacchino’s golden works, but it surely does its job very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3tBf3hn64Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Qo6syOeIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfz2zzDiShI
The score appears to be… nice. I can’t say yet if it as good as Giacchino’s golden works, but it surely does its job very well.
We will have to sit and wait until this Friday. I cannot wait to see the movie and also hear the score along with the movie. I will try not to listen to anything of the score until I have watched the movie. I did this with The Force Awakens and I enjoyed the score a lot after that.
The only Giacchino score without puns for titles that I can think of would be Medal of Honor: Frontline. Sorry, but we’re gonna get horrible, cringe-worthy puns for track titles. Just accept the grim reality for what it is, and you won’t feel quite as bad when it happens.
Luckily, not this time! 😀
Here’s the tracklist (warning: there might be some spoilers)
01 – He’s Here For Us
02 – A Long Ride Ahead
03 – Wobani Imperial Labor Camp
04 – Trust Goes Both Ways
05 – hen Has Become Now
06 – Jedha Arrival
07 – Jedha City Ambush
08 – Star-Dust
09 – Confrontation on Eadu
10 – Krennic’s Aspirations
11 – Rebellions Are Built on Hope
12 – Rogue One
13 – Cargo Shuttle SW-0608
14 – Scrambling the Rebel Fleet
15 – AT-ACT Assault
16 – The Master Switch
17 – Your Father Would Be Proud
18 – Hope
19 – Jyn Erso & Hope Suite
20 – The Imperial Suite
21 – Guardians of the Whills Suite
21 tracks, 01:09:28
Here’s the tracklist (warning: there might be some spoilers)
01 – He’s Here For Us
02 – A Long Ride Ahead
03 – Wobani Imperial Labor Camp
04 – Trust Goes Both Ways
05 – hen Has Become Now
06 – Jedha Arrival
07 – Jedha City Ambush
08 – Star-Dust
09 – Confrontation on Eadu
10 – Krennic’s Aspirations
11 – Rebellions Are Built on Hope
12 – Rogue One
13 – Cargo Shuttle SW-0608
14 – Scrambling the Rebel Fleet
15 – AT-ACT Assault
16 – The Master Switch
17 – Your Father Would Be Proud
18 – Hope
19 – Jyn Erso & Hope Suite
20 – The Imperial Suite
21 – Guardians of the Whills Suite
21 tracks, 01:09:28
Well… I stand corrected. I was wrong.
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