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Ramin Djawadi’s excellent score to 2008’s IRON MAN has been presented and compiled into multiple packages and releases since it went official. Seven years later, we have several expanded and complete sets available here and around the ‘net. Unfortunately, we have yet to locate the Recording Sessions for this particular film which would have made the job much simpler. What makes this project different from most of the sets around is that it will not only try to present the entirety of the score used in the film composed by Djawadi but also incorporate source music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_music) as well to present in one package, the very complete music from the movie. We aim to use the uncompressed surround track from the film’s Blu-ray release as a source in addition to the sources already available to us.
If you have any other audio sources we could work with please comment here.
Patience is recommended otherwise.
This is a development discussion thread only.
It will be the complete soundtrack, everything in the film, the way it’s heard. So to answer your question: yes.
Ooooo good question… that cue is missing from the complete isn’t it?
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Ok, i have the Dolby THD stream ripped (clean, without the AC3) and it’s just above 3 GB. Converting that to 6 separate channels of uncompressed wav-files (keeping the original 24/48) for easier editing brings the total up to 6.08 GB. I’m off for most of the day, i’ll check back later tonight to catch up here 🙂 remember, i can deliver these in any format you wish. Making them stereo (yes, i know i keep repeating myself) will make it extremely hard to remove any unwanted noise.
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Okay, another thing guys, we need to figure out what’s missing from the released soundtrack that’s really good and something we can then rip out of the movie audio track. Such as the reactor thing jurassic mentioned.
Are there any cues that are missing from the complete score and are good(not repeats)?
I honestly do not know what’s missing from the complete score. This is why we need the fucking slates.
I would contact jmn77 and ask him, he’ll probably know
I’ve been meaning to ask around about this. How do you get production slates for films? I mean, if scorepranos doesn’t have them that is. Where do you look?
You ask the other one lol. Scoreman. Or ask people who have sheets (mgm)
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mgm5215 says slates never got leaked. My hopes are descending. Still, two to go.
update: negative on scoreman. got the links. are as expected, hella big. all hope is bound with scorepranos.
got the links. are as expected, hella big.
Does that mean you got the links? I need to be deleting the files to make some much needed space on Mega 🙂
It’s extremely rare in newer films to have the music in separate channels. The only thing to do is try to remove all SFX and speech as good as possible, which in most cases would mean use the channels with the least amount of them. But that also means removing parts of the music since that is just as frequently spread ove all channels.
And this is what lead me to my statement – Use the "complete" score and fill in the gaps with this bluray rip. If someone just finds the music that is missing, marks the times and saves me that time looking for them, i could have a look (listen) to it and see what i can do 🙂
I’ve just been listening to Skelly’s FLAC rip. I’ve just got up to the end of Stark’s escape. The only stuff missing up to that point is the song at the very beginning in the army vehicle, and then an alternate version of the part of "Escape" when Yinsen dies. If you listen carefully, it’s different to that part in the cue we already have. (Different chord progression, and instrumentation, most notably a flute.)
I get why you put LFE there. Anthony H. Stark loves his bass.
I hate it when the music sounds ‘tinny’ or just like it’s coming from a tunnel or something(missing frequencies) but I think in this case that might be unavoidable, I think. Too bad it’s not on another channel, then we could have had an isolated score a long time ago. This is what I was afraid of too.
And that’s the plan. To use the Blu-ray for music that’s not already there, or has a film variation that’s too good to pass up. Otherwise we could use a lossless complete score, which I believe is only available as a bootleg.
Sully,
Calidoran did another rip. It has discrete channels and left right mixed. I don’t have Skelly’s rip but I’ll get it later to compare.
As a side note, I love the way it starts. The desert whoosh and then AC-F’ING-DC!
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And unfortunately Rhodey’s ringtone is only on channel 3, along with a fair amount of FX. :/
Due to there being SFX (specifically the sound of Stark’s drink as well as the Funvee driving on the road), is anyone able to recreate the sound of Back In Black as if it’s being played through a radio?
It’s not the centre if there are six channels… or is my math wrong?!
Yeah… not sure what to do about that.
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Due to there being SFX (specifically the sound of Stark’s drink as well as the Funvee driving on the road), is anyone able to recreate the sound of Back In Black as if it’s being played through a radio?
Wow… you’re sure going at this, aren’t you, DAK?! If we had the sessions and they included the source cues, Back In Black wouldn’t sound like it was coming through a radio…
You’re damn right I am. It’s. It’s not the complete soundtrack as heard in the film if it’s not exact. It’s heard twice in 2 different variations: the first time when it opens in the Kunar Province as we see the Humvees driving, then it switches to inside the Funvee as its revealed to be playing through a boombox. The second time is an excerpt of the song when it flashes back to the explosion and Stark’s kidnap.
Tbh, I’m not after something that plays exactly as heard in the film. As long as it has all the music used in the film, and it’s in chronological order, I’m happy. So in this case, I’d be happy with just having Back In Black as the opening track, and that would be fine. But hey, we’re all different! 😛
(It’s called Concerto In Do Maggiore Per Pianoforte Ed Orchestra: Larghetto, composed by Antonio Salieri and performed by Ramin Djawadi, btw)
Zippyshare.com – piano.rar (http://www8.zippyshare.com/v/idnkLjpl/file.html)
Yeah… not sure what to do about that.
The standard 5.1 surround sound is delivered using two L channels, two R channels, one LFE channel and one Centre channel making up the 5 speakers and .1 Subwoofer.
The ‘wonky’ part is about the missing frequencies which are scattered across other channels(the ones with the FX, etc) that we remove to isolate the ringtone.
I think I need to learn some more about taking SFX and dialogue out, I mean there’s got to be some way we can preserve necessary frequencies and take FX out.
And DAK, I have no clue whether the FLAC CS exists or not. I don’t remember any FLAC versions of the ones posted but I’ll recheck.
Yep that’s what I was referring to when I said the quick flashback to the explosion and Stark’s kidnap
It’s called Concerto In Do Maggiore Per Pianoforte Ed Orchestra: Larghetto, composed by Antonio Salieri and performed by Ramin Djawadi, btw
Antonio Salieri as in Amadeus Salieri? How about that
I think I need to learn some more about taking SFX and dialogue out, I mean there’s got to be some way we can preserve necessary frequencies and take FX out.
🙂 nope, the wonky part is due to trying to remove SFX. Because at the same time you are removing frequencies from the ringtone 😉 can’t remove one without the other, so there is no way of preserving. And the only channel that had the ringtone was the center channel so removing the other channels didn’t have any effect on the sound of the ringtone.
Let’s face it: If it were THAT easy to take out SFX and dialogue, we would be flooded with "complete" scores that sounded perfect 😉 i know, i have been trying for years.
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It’s not the centre if there are six channels… or is my math wrong?!
What Helix explained 😉 And besides, if you rip the audio with the help of EAC3TO, you will get each channel labeled as it should be – center, left, right, left satellite, right satellite and LFE/subwoofer – instead of just numbered as "channel 3", which isn’t very descriptive 🙂
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Just to be clear, does an actual FLAC version of the complete score exist? Like I mentioned before, it sucks that all I have to work with is MP3, because exporting it at the same bitrate will only further reduce the quality. At least if I had FLAC to work with it wouldn’t be as bad. But I’ll work with what I have.
Due to there being SFX (specifically the sound of Stark’s drink as well as the Funvee driving on the road), is anyone able to recreate the sound of Back In Black as if it’s being played through a radio?
One question then, why would you be exporting to MP3? FLAC-files aren’t that much bigger than high quality MP3 and you would lose no quality compared to the source.
Also, Audition has some filters that might simulate that radio sound. Not sure how close you could come…
Also, Audition has some filters that might simulate that radio sound. Not sure how close you could come…
No no, I meant if I had actual FLAC files to work with I would also export in FLAC, not MP3. Should have specified.
I’m sure Audition has filters and I could mess around with Back In Black, but idk how to do that. I can probably find out on YouTube or something
Oh and Calidoran, I remember some(?) Hi-Fi systems used to have this ‘karaoke’ mode which sortof eliminated the voices from a song. Is there a way to simulate that on a computer?
Damnit, it’s the Funvee! You must be riding in the hum-drumvee with Rhodey….
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Every time, I feel like I should be getting sick of this movie by now I realize I can’t.
Still, it’s a good place to stop – "Kill power."
(Oh, and before either of you ask, no, I’m not wearing those pajamas Stark sent me.)
Yes, but i meant start with MP3, convert to wav, edit the files (and since they now are wav it doesn’t matter if you save them in between) and then export them as FLAC. This way you’ll keep what quality there is and the only thing making it sound worse is your own tinkering 😉 that’s how i do it anyway. Open the MP3 and then drop that horrid (for audio editing purposes) format.
Well, I know you could EQ it to make a it sound like it’s on radio, when they switch to inside view of the Humvee. I remember something like this in Audacity. There was a wave…
Oh and Calidoran, I remember some(?) Hi-Fi systems used to have this ‘karaoke’ mode which sortof eliminated the voices from a song. Is there a way to simulate that on a computer?
There are some effects in Audition in the Filters section (can’t remember where) that can emulate a radio sound. Try them out, i think they are labeled as the effect they give. And Audition does have a karaoke effect – Center Channel Extractor – and as long as the voices are located in the center, it does a pretty good job at it. This naturally only works with stereo files and should there be echos to the left and right, they will still be there. Besides, we’re working with a surround file here, so removing the center channel from the mix does the same thing. There could be other programs out there that does a better job and Audition might also be able to do something better if you tinker with the settings. Righ now, i can’t tell since i haven’t used that effect much
I would love to see a complete tracklist though, if anyone has gotten around to that 🙂
Thread’s (hopefully) not dead, still breathing. Napping maybe.
I’ve gotten busy all of a sudden so there’s that. Also, I thought I’d learn some more skillz before I return to this. So, in a way you’re right, at least I realized how goddamn hard this is. Maybe DAK’s had better luck. :p
Not from Monstropolis, no…
At the moment, I don’t think I have the time to go through the film and make a definitive track list…
Just finished watching Iron Man. The beginning of "Suiting Up" is different. We’re definitely missing the cue when Tony tries to get the Mk. I chest piece. And we’re missing the cue when Rhodey is watching Tony suit up. We’re also missing the post-credits scene cue, which I’m guessing should be called "The Avengers Initiative". I think there were one or two other bits, but those were the main ones I noticed. I also really appreciated recognising the source music at the benefit.
Damn it, where are the sessions?!
Haha no need to specify the reference – I do that kind of thing the whole time. 😛
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As I skim through the front channel in Audition, I can see that Tony & Christine (or as some of you know it, "Sex With Reporter") is completely free of SFX and dialogue and therefore is the film version. It’s in WAV and is at 48kHz, so I will definitely be using this one over the version on the complete score. Fingers crossed I can use other pieces from the channels….
Is the film version of Sex With Christine (let’s just combine the cue names, shall we?) actually different in any way to the complete score version we already have?
I quit. Not sure if it’s for good, but temporarily I quit. Many of the cues in the film have been tampered to the point where they don’t match up with the cues that have been released. And I can’t use any of the channels because they all have either SFX, dialogue, or nothing in them. I got frustrated, saved the project and closed it. Idk if this will ever be possible. I’ve moved on to my Interstellar film edit for now.
I quit. Not sure if it’s for good, but temporarily I quit. Many of the cues in the film have been tampered to the point where they don’t match up with the cues that have been released. And I can’t use any of the channels because they all have either SFX, dialogue, or nothing in them. I got frustrated, saved the project and closed it. Idk if this will ever be possible. I’ve moved on to my Interstellar film edit for now.
Hmm. That’s what I feared. It’s a tricky project, for sure.
So why keep to the cues we know of? Taking the alterations in mind, split them according to what’s happening in the scene while making up your own slates.
And I can’t use any of the channels because they all have either SFX, dialogue, or nothing in them. I got frustrated, saved the project and closed it. Idk if this will ever be possible. I’ve moved on to my Interstellar film edit for now.
Every cue is like this? Damn.
Anyway, good luck on the Interstellar mix. See you around here, someday. 😉
🙂 lol, I know. I watched it twice again last week and noticed that it’s pretty clean on the sound mix, usually dialogues don’t have music behind it and when it does it’s only a few lines. Quite unlike the beast we have here.
Not that any of us here have a problem with Stark’s dialogue…
If someone manages to get SOME pieces of music from Iron Man that doesn’t have any SFX or speech in them, at least something will have been won 🙂 problem is that sometimes by using only front or rear channels, you lose parts of the orchestra that is mixed in the other channels.
Agreed.
I’ve just watched the scene where Pepper sneaks into Obadiah’s office at the same time listening to 6m42a V1. As I suspected, with only the smallest amount of film editing needed as Pepper starts watching the terrorists’ video, the music fits exactly. As the lift doors open, as Pepper opens the door to the office, as the camera switches to inside the office, as Pepper plugs in the drive and starts going through the files. Being so similar musically to the opening of "Pepper Steals Files", I’d bet my life it’s an alternate opening to that cue. So that’s where I’ve stuck it in iTunes. 🙂