Jurassic Park (Deluxe Edition) / J. Williams / Expanded / FLAC / Remastered

Phew! This morning I was shocked to find out that the soundtrack to ‘Jurassic Park’ had been re-released today; even better, it included four additional tracks with a combined runtime of roughly 12 minutes. Still missing are some small tidbits (2:40 min) which doesn???t hurt that much. Anyway, it became clear to me immediately that I had to do one of my Deluxe Editions to honor this soundtrack classic. I???ve now bought the soundtrack two times, I also own the DVDs to all the movies… and even one old VHS that I kept for sentimental reasons. I don???t know how much time and money I???ve spent on this franchise and I don???t care, it has been fun from the first minute I laid eyes on the novel.

Supposedly the soundtrack has been remastered – this is true, Patricia Sullivan indeed remastered it. Beside the obvious and nowadays common brickwall limiting she also reduced dynamics of this score… which turned out to be a good thing after all (I did not expect a sonic improvement but I was proven wrong). Compressing dynamics has helped the overall cohesiveness of the score. She also used some slight equalizing to tone down the aggressive treble of the original and added a bit deep bass. All of this helps to ‘warm up’ the score, to induce some life into something that formerly was a tad brittle. All in all, this lady did an incredible job and I???ve subsequently aimed to reproduce her remastering (I would be using the OST tracks however and would also add an infusion of what I like sonically). BUT: there are some obstacles with the new release. The aformentiontened additional pieces sound completely different to the rest; one reason is a different equalization, the other reason is completely absent reverberation! Yes, for the OST Shawn Murphy augmented the sound with loads of artifcial reverb. The new tracks sound extremely dry and dull as a result. But there???s more… the new tracks have been mixed differently… which is why I now understand why they have been placed at the end of the score: the obvious differences would completely destroy the listening experience.

So I ended up not only copying Pat Sullivans mastering (which was time-consuming on its own) but also adapting the sound from the OST for the new pieces – I did what I usually never do: I added reverb. Additionally I matched dynamics to fit the rest while also tweaking equalization so that it fits in. While I have not been completely successful the differences have been reduced considerably. In order for the score to be in chronological order I also had to take pieces apart… and Boy, this really wasn???t easy. In some cases I segued the new tracks (which had to be spliced as well) into old ones and in other cases I left those pieces alone. Know this: on some tracks it is plainly audible that I tricked a lot (‘Incident at Isla Nublar’ is the most prominent example), while it won???t sound well it???s the best I was able to do with the things given to me. Sorry for that. Another thing… this is not completely lossless, roughly 12 minutes have been taken from the new release while the rest comes from my own OST I bought 20 years ago. Why didn???t I use the new release? Because I don???t like to work with lossy stuff, what was worse was that two tracks (12 & 13) had dropouts so I had no other choice. Apart from the occasionally haphazard crossfading I???m very happy with the result.

Before I forget: I did not include the track ‘Theme from Jurassic Park’ – I would have placed it at the end of the CD anyway right after the ‘End Credits’ as a suite recorded especially for the album; but since both are very much alike and since I hate redundancy I erased that track. You don???t like that? Add it yourself 🙂

The cover is nothing special. I worked on this edition from this morning until an hour ago; I always liked the official cover so I used that and tweaked it only slightly to fit my needs. However, for those who do not like the old cover I also included a variation including matching back and inlay covers so that the comic book style can be completely avoided.

EDIT: Guys and Gals, read the text above before asking a lot of questions. Everything is explained there.

Tracklist:

1. Opening Titles 0:33
2. Incident at Isla Nublar & Encased Mosquito 3:31
3. Introducing John Hammond 1:02
4. Journey to the Island 8:53
5. Stalling around 2:34
6. Hatching Baby Raptor & History Lesson 3:26
7. Jurassic Park Gate & Goat Bait 4:26
8. An ailing Monster & A Storm is coming 3:52
9. Dennis steals the Embryos 5:01
10. The falling Car 3:07
11. The T-Rex Chase 1:35
12. A Tree for my Bed 2:11
13. Remembering Petticoat Lane & My Friend, the Brachiosaurus 4:24
14. Eggs in the Forest & Meet the Monster 5:30
15. High-Wire Stunts 4:08
16. Hungry Raptor 2:08
17. Into the Kitchen 2:49
18. T-Rex Rescue & Finale 7:40
19. End Credits 7:55

http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/9XHCGACD/RoamingTheEarth.part1.rar_links
http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/1OYKILGJ/RoamingTheEarth.part2.rar_links

Pass: NotExtinct

EDIT: I???ve added a revised coverset that also includes additional covers. (http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/0LNMQHNA/FancyDinos.rar_links)

Enjoy!!

Thank you share, SonicAdventure!

Thanks! 😀

Interesting.

Did you include the 4 bonus tracks in this?

There’s a vinyl of the soundtrack out there. A vinyl rip should do better for an edit.
http://www.discogs.com/John-Williams-Jurassic-Park/release/667203

you don’t have the movies on blu-ray? :confused:

Too bad you had to drop "WOMPI ending" and "record intro".

but as long as its a good listening experience 🙂

Interesting.

Did you include the 4 bonus tracks in this?

There’s a vinyl of the soundtrack out there. A vinyl rip should do better for an edit.
http://www.discogs.com/John-Williams-Jurassic-Park/release/667203

you don’t have the movies on blu-ray? :confused:

Don???t know what you mean. I used the official CD from 1993 if it was what you meant.

And why should a vinyl rip be better for an edit? I don???t understand…

I???ve not yet bought the BluRay – but I most certainly will.

Too bad you had to drop Wonmpi opening and record intro.

but as long as its a good listening experience 🙂

Wonmpi?? Huh?

Too bad you had to drop Wonmpi opening and record intro.

but as long as its a good listening experience 🙂
What the what when now?/

And why should a vinyl rip be better for an edit? I don???t understand…

Vinyl rips usually wield 24 bit depth, perfect for audio editing.
CD’s are 16 bit depth, standard. Ideal for final output.
Also vinyl usually have higher sample rates beyond 48kHz, more room to breathe for your edits.

Expanding 16 bit to 24 wouldn’t exactly be the same as a 24 bit mastering album.
But, tbh, I’m not sure how it all works since vinyl is analogue by nature.
I’m sure some here can elaborate more on the pre-destined 24 bit depth for vinyl-to-digital transfers.

Wonmpi?? Huh?

3m2 Record Intro = OST Track 2 [0:00-0:48]
3m2 WOMPI Ending = OST Track 2 [3:13-end]

Thanks a bunch, SonicAdventure!!

Sounds good! Thanks for the effort!

3m2 Record Intro = OST 2 [0:00-0:48]
3m2 WOMPI Ending = OST 2 [3:13-end]

JURASSIC PARK (1993) ? Complete Cue List ??? JOHN WILLIAMS Fan Network ? JWFAN (http://www.jwfan.com/?p=3222)

Reel 3 Pt. 2 Record Intro and Wompi Ending: OST track 2 [0:00-0:48 and 3:13-end, respectively]. Williams recorded this intro and ending so they could turn The Dinosaurs into a standalone concert suite. Everything on the OST track from 0:49 to 3:12 is just the same take of The Dinosaursheard in track 4.

I still can’t understand any of it.

Vinyl rips usually wield 24 bit depth, perfect for audio editing.
CD’s are 16 bit depth, standard. Ideal for final output.
Also vinyl usually have higher sample rates beyond 48kHz, more room to breathe for your edits.

Expanding 16 bit to 24 wouldn’t exactly be the same as a 24 bit mastering album.
But, tbh, I’m not sure how it all works since vinyl is analogue by nature.
I’m sure some here can elaborate more on the pre-destined 24 bit depth for vinyl-to-digital transfers.

Vinyl is one of the most overstated formats ever to ‘grace’ the market. The usable resolution is around 12 Bits / 32 kHz with most vinyls. Furthermore many recent vinyls have been derived from the same master used for the CD – which is 16/44.1 and at best 24/44.1. What???s worse is that even with a properly aligned stylus one still inadvertently encounters distortions, channel imbalances, tracking errors… and what not. It would not ever occur to me to disgrace a score like Jurassic Park by using an LP. Sorry if I???m very harsh right now… but vinyl is the worst that can happen to orchestral music IMO.

I myself always work in 32/176.4 and even if it???s only an upsample I use the very best resamplers and tools available to the market – and I use them wisely. You can be assured that I always take the highest care not to sound ‘digital’ (whatever that means) and to present an actual sonic improvement surpassing the original. Sometimes it???s not working, sure, but I???m getting better at it every day. And this release here IMO has been improved compared to the OST.

So I guess you are not a fan of 7FN’s Vinyl Transfers of SW and TESB?

Douche is fitting~

3m2 Record Intro = OST 2 [0:00-0:48]
3m2 WOMPI Ending = OST 2 [3:13-end]

Errr… ok. Have not seen it. I should have looked into the Jurassic-Park-resurrected thread… maybe I could have gotten hold of clean intros and outros. What the heck… I???m happy with it 😉

Uh, thats the "Theme From Jurassic Park" track from the OST, the beginning and ending were written to be edited into "Journey To The Island" to create the 2nd track on the Album "Theme from Jurassic Park"

Its not unreleased, its just not on this.

but it does not matter, as it breaks the flow of your listening (personally I would use it as an overture, perhaps even between Opening Titles, and Incident on Isla Nublar)

So I guess you are not a fan of 7FN’s Vinyl Transfers of SW and TESB?

No, I???m not. I have several scores on vinyl and I???ve always found the CD to be superior. And if the CD doesn???t sound the way I would like it to I try to change it. I???m really sorry, but I don???t like vinyl at all. I recently bought the ‘Cloud Atlas’ vinyl (there???s one additional track on it) and I don???t look forward recording it…

Thanks SonicAdventure, I can’t wait to download this and listen to it. But before I do I just want to double-check: this is strictly the 1993 OST, and does not include the 4 bonus tracks found on this one, http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/jurassic-park-20th-anniversary-130104/? right?

Uh, thats the "Theme From Jurassic Park" track from the OST, the beginning and ending were written to be edited into "Journey To The Island" to create the 2nd track on the Album "Theme from Jurassic Park"

Its not unreleased, its just not on this.

but it does not matter, as it breaks the flow of your listening (personally I would use it as an overture, perhaps even between Opening Titles, and Incident on Isla Nublar)

Ah, ok. I didn???t know that. Thank you for clearing this up.

I’ll throw this in for anyone who wants to use it.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/efbfcfb6310d54e092ffff481dfbffc5/tumblr_mhr3k3hbcz1ri1j60o1_400.gif

I’m off to give it a listen.

Once I transfer it to vinyl. :nedry:

can’t you rip vinyls now? i don’t think you need to record it. i’m very interested in this extra track, though. should I delete the 20th anniversary that I downloaded for this version Sonic?

Thanks SonicAdventure, I can’t wait to download this and listen to it. But before I do I just want to double-check: this is strictly the 1993 OST, and does not include the 4 bonus tracks found on this one http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/jurassic-park-20th-anniversary-130104/?

It includes the four bonus tracks. All in chronological order, just have a look at the tracklist, most of the original (recording session)-titles have been retained.

You should read his post. It does include the bonus tracks. He split the cues and put them in their proper places. and this is why he had to work harder, the last 4 bonus cues sounded totally different from the OST. Just look at the track list. T-Rex chase is part of the 4 bonus cues.

Hey Sonic, just curious, if you have a score that is compressed so bad, that you get ear fatigue what would be the best way to either fix it, or atleast alleviate the suffering with audio software?

can’t you rip vinyls now? i don’t think you need to record it. i’m very interested in this extra track, though. should I delete the 20th anniversary that I downloaded for this version Sonic?

Which extra track? You mean ‘Cloud Atlas’? When I have time… since vinyl is so fragile and everything depends on the proper setup this???ll take its time.

And I don???t know if you want to delete the official 20th anniversary… I guess, you???d have to compare which of the two you like better.

can’t you rip vinyls now?

yeah, but there’s a lot of hullabaloo about it.
Douche brought up a lot of valid points over it.
The largest most fret over is using the right playback speed.

But I didn’t really know about the bit depth/sample rate issue with them.

I’ve only marginally skimmed through some forums for info but it always turns into a debate, the likes of the Loudness War.

Sonic does this have the cut offs in the tracks that were released in the 20th anniversary…i hope not 🙁

It includes the four bonus tracks. All in chronological order, just have a look at the tracklist, most of the original (recording session)-titles have been retained.

Alright then, so I can disregard that version and just stick with yours? Sorry, being OCD is a pain in the ass

Sonic does this have the cut offs in the tracks that were released in the 20th anniversary…i hope not 🙁

No, he used the retail CD for this.

Alright then, so I can disregard that version and just stick with yours? Sorry, being OCD is a pain in the ass

I would keep all versions available.
But that’s just me. :ashine:

yeah, but there’s a lot of hullabaloo about it.
Douche brought up a lot of valid points over it.
The largest most fret over is using the right playback speed.

But I didn’t really know about the bit depth/sample rate issue with them.

I’ve only marginally skimmed through some forums for info but it always turns into a debate, the likes of the Loudness War.

Truer words have never been spoken… and I???m not completely innocent either.

Sonic does this have the cut offs in the tracks that were released in the 20th anniversary…i hope not 🙁

No. As Sparktank already wrote I used the original CD from 1993.

Is there possibly a bootleg that I missed out on that includes the cues that are missing from this release? The 2:40 minutes worth of music.

Thanks SonicAdventure! Could you possibly post a hi-res of that alternate cover on the right?

Only Blu-ray rips from the 7.1 mix.

Thanks SonicAdventure! Could you possibly post a hi-res of that alternate cover on the right?

It???s in the archive.

Dakota and Lockdown. Just listen to this, then listen to the official. Keep whichever one YOU like. In DK’s instance, I’d bet he’ll keep both….

Those last three minutes are always the hardest…..

Sonic does this have the cut offs in the tracks that were released in the 20th anniversary…i hope not :(No. As Sparktank already wrote I used the original CD from 1993.

All lies.
As Sonic already wrote…

this is not completely lossless, roughly 12 minutes have been taken from the new release while the rest comes from my own OST I bought 20 years ago

I used the official CD from 1993

Twice before I wrote it.
:smrt:

Well no shit dude, those new tracks can’t be sourced from the CD because they are NEW TRACKS.
Honestly, I know both of you (Sparktank and SonicAdventure) and I know you are both good guys but seriously Sparktank what the hell. SonicAdventure knows a lot about audio technology and things so if he says a certain source isn’t up to his standards then he is not simply being douchy but has tried it and found that it did not live up to the hype.

To each his own…

Thanks Sonic!!

Is there possibly a bootleg that I missed out on that includes the cues that are missing from this release? The 2:40 minutes worth of music.

Lockdown, I just posted the missing cues (and the source cue!) in the thread for the Twentieth Anniversary release (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/jurassic-park-20th-anniversary-130104-post2312115/#post2312115).

I leave for one minute to go to the bathroom and… :eye:

Great …thank you.

Well no shit dude, those new tracks can’t be sourced from the CD because they are NEW TRACKS.
Honestly, I know both of you (Sparktank and SonicAdventure) and I know you are both good guys but seriously Sparktank what the hell. SonicAdventure knows a lot about audio technology and things so if he says a certain source isn’t up to his standards then he is not simply being douchy but has tried it and found that it did not live up to the hype.

Hey Sirusjr… it???s nice of you to do this but it isn???t necessary, really. I can take it like a good sport – and I have to accept different opinions than my own. It???s perfectly allright, really. But I thank you nonetheless 🙂

Thank you, well done!

And to break from the neverending Audiophile wars, this is a pretty legit re-release.

Thanks, man! Your Deluxe Editions are always welcome.

Awesome! 🙂

Any chance your next DE will be The Lost World?

Thanks for posting this!

Wow, this is great. But does anyone know which cue on this site JURASSIC PARK (1993) ? Complete Cue List & Chronological Order (2013) ??? JOHN WILLIAMS Fan Network ? JWFAN (http://www.jwfan.com/?p=5504) "Stalling Around" corresponds to?

Thanks so much! One of my all-time favorites!

As soon as I saw harvestmoon’s 20th Anniversary thread this morning, I imagined what use SonicAdventure could make of the new material in one of his Deluxe Editions. I never dreamed I’d only have to wait until evening to get one! Thank you for this and all the gems you’ve shared with us.

Wow, this is great. But does anyone know which cue on this site JURASSIC PARK (1993) ? Complete Cue List & Chronological Order (2013) ??? JOHN WILLIAMS Fan Network ? JWFAN (http://www.jwfan.com/?p=5504) "Stalling Around" corresponds to?

08 3m3 Cartoon Demonstration

Thanks!

Wow! Amazing what you hear when the quiet parts are made louder. Great job!

08 3m3 Cartoon Demonstration

Thank you, ribonucleic. BTW I like your username, it’s creative and different

Thanks for the upload

Thanks Sonic! 🙂

Thank you so much, your deluxe editions are invariably better than the official ones!

SonicAdventure, you’ve done it again! Thank you very, very much!

Thank you for this! Can’t wait to give it a listen and compare with the OST.

Thank you so much for this one SonicAdventure!!! I have only just stated listening but I already really notice the superiority, especially in the cue Dennis Steals The Embryo. Also it seems weird to me now that in the T-Rex Chase cue there is no T-Rex footsteps or big roar haha 🙂

Awesome! 🙂

Any chance your next DE will be The Lost World?

No, simply because it hasn???t been released in any expanded form AND with pristine audio quality to my knowledge. But I???d certainly love to do it, I like that score too.

Wow! Amazing what you hear when the quiet parts are made louder. Great job!

Mindboggling, isn???t it? Patricia Sullivan’s idea… and I was baffled as well that I was able to hear things I???ve never heard before. And I???ve listened to this score A LOT during those 20 years.

Thank you so much for this one SonicAdventure!!! I have only just stated listening but I already really notice the superiority, especially in the cue Dennis Steals The Embryo. Also it seems weird to me now that in the T-Rex Chase cue there is no T-Rex footsteps or big roar haha 🙂

You know what? I pondered the idea to include something like that at the end. I???m sure I could have extracted the T-Rex’s roar from my DVD to include it somewhere. The second possibility would have been the roar from the Erich-Kunzel-album ‘The Great Fantasy Adventure Album’… but in the end I decided against it since the questioning conclusion to the score is better left alone.

Amazing!
Thank you so much for your Deluxe Edition!

as always, thank you for that !!

very thanks???????????????

Thanks! One of my favorite scores. Cant wait to listen 🙂

Phew! This morning I was shocked to find out that the soundtrack to ‘Jurassic Park’ had been re-released today; even better, it included four additional tracks with a combined runtime of roughly 12 minutes. Still missing are some small tidbits (2:40 min) which doesn???t hurt that much. Anyway, it became clear to me immediately that I had to do one of my Deluxe Editions to honor this soundtrack classic. I???ve now bought the soundtrack two times, I also own the DVDs to all the movies… and even one old VHS that I kept for sentimental reasons. I don???t know how much time and money I???ve spent on this franchise and I don???t care, it has been fun from the first minute I laid eyes on the novel.

Supposedly the soundtrack has been remastered – this is true, Patricia Sullivan indeed remastered it. Beside the obvious and nowadays common brickwall limiting she also reduced dynamics of this score… which turned out to be a good thing after all (I did not expect a sonic improvement but I was proven wrong). Compressing dynamics has helped the overall cohesiveness of the score. She also used some slight equalizing to tone down the aggressive treble of the original and added a bit deep bass. All of this helps to ‘warm up’ the score, to induce some life into something that formerly was a tad brittle. All in all, this lady did an incredible job and I???ve subsequently aimed to reproduce her remastering (I would be using the OST tracks however and would also add an infusion of what I like sonically). BUT: there are some obstacles with the new release. The aformentiontened additional pieces sound completely different to the rest; one reason is a different equalization, the other reason is completely absent reverberation! Yes, for the OST Shawn Murphy augmented the sound with loads of artifcial reverb. The new tracks sound extremely dry and dull as a result. But there???s more… the new tracks have been mixed differently… which is why I now understand why they have been placed at the end of the score: the obvious differences would completely destroy the listening experience.

So I ended up not only copying Pat Sullivans mastering (which was time-consuming on its own) but also adapting the sound from the OST for the new pieces – I did what I usually never do: I added reverb. Additionally I matched dynamics to fit the rest while also tweaking equalization so that it fits in. While I have not been completely successful the differences have been reduced considerably. In order for the score to be in chronological order I also had to take pieces apart… and Boy, this really wasn???t easy. In some cases I segued the new tracks (which had to be spliced as well) into old ones and in other cases I left those pieces alone. Know this: on some tracks it is plainly audible that I tricked a lot (‘Incident at Isla Nublar’ is the most prominent example), while it won???t sound well it???s the best I was able to do with the things given to me. Sorry for that. Another thing… this is not completely lossless, roughly 12 minutes have been taken from the new release while the rest comes from my own OST I bought 20 years ago. Why didn???t I use the new release? Because I don???t like to work with lossy stuff, what was worse was that two tracks (12 & 13) had dropouts so I had no other choice. Apart from the occasionally haphazard crossfading I???m very happy with the result.

Before I forget: I did not include the track ‘Theme from Jurassic Park’ – I would have placed it at the end of the CD anyway right after the ‘End Credits’ as a suite recorded especially for the album; but since both are very much alike and since I hate redundancy I erased that track. You don???t like that? Add it yourself 🙂

The cover is nothing special. I worked on this edition from this morning until an hour ago; I always liked the official cover so I used that and tweaked it only slightly to fit my needs. However, for those who do not like the old cover I also included a variation including matching back and inlay covers so that the comic book style can be completely avoided.

EDIT: Guys and Gals, read the text above before asking a lot of questions. Everything is explained there.

Tracklist:

1. Opening Titles 0:33
2. Incident at Isla Nublar & Encased Mosquito 3:31
3. Introducing John Hammond 1:02
4. Journey to the Island 8:53
5. Stalling around 2:34
6. Hatching Baby Raptor & History Lesson 3:26
7. Jurassic Park Gate & Goat Bait 4:26
8. An ailing Monster & A Storm is coming 3:52
9. Dennis steals the Embryos 5:01
10. The falling Car 3:07
11. The T-Rex Chase 1:35
12. A Tree for my Bed 2:11
13. Remembering Petticoat Lane & My Friend, the Brachiosaurus 4:24
14. Eggs in the Forest & Meet the Monster 5:30
15. High-Wire Stunts 4:08
16. Hungry Raptor 2:08
17. Into the Kitchen 2:49
18. T-Rex Rescue & Finale 7:40
19. End Credits 7:55

http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/9XHCGACD/RoamingTheEarth.part1.rar_links
http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/1OYKILGJ/RoamingTheEarth.part2.rar_links

Pass: NotExtinct

Enjoy!!

Thanks SonicAdventure for all your hard work tweaking this marvelous soundtrack and for making it available to us.

The fun never stops! thanks for your hard work yet again sonic. Cannot wait to listen.

Some of these replies are cracking me. Some of thhe questions that are asked time and time again in this thread are a answered in the first post by sonic.

I’ll throw this in for anyone who wants to use it.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/efbfcfb6310d54e092ffff481dfbffc5/tumblr_mhr3k3hbcz1ri1j60o1_400.gif

I’m off to give it a listen.

Once I transfer it to vinyl. :nedry:

ahahahahahaha, i actually creased up on that post :loldata:

Thanks for the share, SonicAdventure. You did a fantastic job with this.

Much of "Into the Kitchen" doesn’t seem to be from that scene in the movie. Anyone know what scene that’s from, or was it unused?

Thank you for your work SonicAdventure

Thank you, very much appreciated.

Terrific stuff!

Really lovely listen this was. TBH the original ost was IMO quite well sounding considering Williams’ releases are often harsh this was quite different. But the only problem i had was than the orchestra didnt sound alive enough for my taste. Your version sounds like i imagined it to be. Its is vibrant and and dynamics are really improved. The brass is so much more polished also. Strings are more welcome and charming. Im not great explaining in a technical way, i just explain what i feel when i listen. I think sonic has a sort of sound signature especially when it comes to John Williams. Because williams is a very organic composer, his orchestra on cd has to really sound like you are there with the orchestra and not too artificial equalization sounding. This is where i think you nail the sound for this reason sonic. I just listened to a few tracks off the 20th edition and even though it does sound fantastic it is also quite deep sounding in parts whereas yours is slightly smoother which for my taste is more appreciated. Thanks for your deluxe edition and i surely know which one is my preferable version.

i also couldnt resist adding the ‘Theme From Jurassic Park’ track. sorry 😛

Thanks Sonic!!

Lockdown, I just posted the missing cues (and the source cue!) in the thread for the Twentieth Anniversary release (http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/jurassic-park-20th-anniversary-130104-post2312115/#post2312115).

Are those the very same tracks included in the bootleg, I think it was called Jurassic Park: Resurrection, with bits of SFX?

I honestly don’t get why The Trouble With Dennis wasn’t included. It’s such a great cue. I’m actually surprised that the T-Rex Chase wasn’t included in the original CD, which I hadn’t listened to in nearly a decade prior to yesterday, after having acquired the bootleg mentioned above. The original OST presentation is so strange. I feel that having Journey to the Island, Welcome to Jurassic Park, and the End Credits was enough to satisfy our needs with the main JP theme, so Track 2 felt utterly pointless and took up space that could have been filled with the T-Rex Chase and The Trouble With Dennis.

Many thanks!

Welcome to Jurassic Park, and the End Credits

Those are the same cue, so I would have removed End Credits, and replaced it with WTJP instead of droppig Theme From Jurassic Park, seeing how it has a new intro and ending, where EC only has a clean opening.

Those are the same cue, so I would have removed End Credits, and replaced it with WTJP instead of droppig Theme From Jurassic Park, seeing how it has a new intro and ending, where EC only has a clean opening.

I did exactly that… almost. I dropped ‘Theme from Jurassic Park’ and replaced the three-minutes ‘End Credits’ with ‘Welcome to Jurassic Park’.

… Something bugged me my dear Sonic since I saw your thread and understood this was going along a brand new official release… That’s a simple thing: if you appreciate that much the work of the mastering engineer who just seen her work released, wouldn’t have it been appropriate to wait a bit before releasing your own version on such a free supermarket place ? 😀

… I mean: you don’t want to get the good people fired, there aren’t so many. 😉

I would think maximizing sales with CD sales and collectable cover slips rather than a PDF and JPG would make a stronger safety net than believing in digital sales.
They would do good by her and consigning Intrada to handle physical copies.

Wow this is awesome thanks again!

I wondered if you might shed some light on somethign about this which is bothering me.

The original film has a DTS soundtrack, and the music to the album matches that on the DTS film rip.

The blu ray has a new 7.1 track which matches the music to this iTunes release

BUT the iTunes release does NOT match the Album release when it comes to speed, which makes me think this sources from a newer transfer used to create the new mixes.

What would cause this discrepency seeing as the album/original DTS track should, in theory, be incapable of being the wrong pitch during playback.

According to a program I use, the iTunes release is .99741% too slow but doesnt seem to effect pitch. This speed issues becomes obvious in long tracks like "Journey to the Island." id normally think that these might be alternate takes but every chance i could compare misc stage noise I found it would be in both (except in the case of the last note of "Journey to the Island" which seems to be dofferent, or in one other track where they edited out the stage noise). I know you mentioned the whole low tone used for proper playback/transfer… do you think there was an error in the original recording and so this transfer was done slightly wrong?

Thanks for this edition, Sonic.

… Something bugged me my dear Sonic since I saw your thread and understood this was going along a brand new official release… That’s a simple thing: if you appreciate that much the work of the mastering engineer who just seen her work released, wouldn’t have it been appropriate to wait a bit before releasing your own version on such a free supermarket place ? 😀

… I mean: you don’t want to get the good people fired, there aren’t so many. 😉

Fair argument. Thing is, until Jurassic Park I regarded Patricia Sullivan as an engineer who can only achieve one thing: making everything louder with a brickwall limiter. I also only assume that it???s her, who knows if someone else performed the dynamic alterations when preparing the score for the 3D-remix.

The original film has a DTS soundtrack, and the music to the album matches that on the DTS film rip.

The blu ray has a new 7.1 track which matches the music to this iTunes release

BUT the iTunes release does NOT match the Album release when it comes to speed, which makes me think this sources from a newer transfer used to create the new mixes.

What would cause this discrepency seeing as the album/original DTS track should, in theory, be incapable of being the wrong pitch during playback.

According to a program I use, the iTunes release is .99741% too slow but doesnt seem to effect pitch. This speed issues becomes obvious in long tracks like "Journey to the Island." id normally think that these might be alternate takes but every chance i could compare misc stage noise I found it would be in both (except in the case of the last note of "Journey to the Island" which seems to be dofferent, or in one other track where they edited out the stage noise). I know you mentioned the whole low tone used for proper playback/transfer… do you think there was an error in the original recording and so this transfer was done slightly wrong?

For one, I have not heard any speed discrepances between the old CD and the new iTunes release. I should know because in two cases I used the new release to augment my old CD. On the old CD ‘Dennis steals the Embryo’ crossfades into ‘A Tree for my Bed’ while on the new release they were seperated. So I took the new ending from ‘Dennis’ and replaced the last 5 to 10 seconds of the old CD release with it. The same for the beginning of ‘A Tree for my Bed’. In both cases pitch changes would have been very obvious – but I did not hear any.

What program do you use? How can it calculate pitch changes if it doesn???t have an idea about absolute pitch (no program has)? What is the reference for this program? Secondly, I observed the opposite: the new tracks are slightly shorter – but only because they have been faded out sooner.

In theory of course the old release could have contained an ‘error’. We can assume that Jurassic Park was recorded analogue (there are many hints which support this) so a new remaster would ideally have included a new digitization of that analogue master. As unreliable as analogue tape is could mean that using this tape with a differently aligned or set-up tape playback machine would yield a very slightly different overall speed. This is of course no ‘error’ (hence the hyphens) but just a difference of used hardware.

I will not talk about the movie itself… especially the PAL release did have a speed-up I???ve never heard before.

Thanks again, Sonic !!!!

Thanks.
Is there a DE for The Lost World? Love it.

No DE for Lost World. There are no official expansions of it, so all he’d be doing is remastering what is there, and that does not seem to be his thing.

Fair argument. Thing is, until Jurassic Park I regarded Patricia Sullivan as an engineer who can only achieve one thing: making everything louder with a brickwall limiter. I also only assume that it???s her, who knows if someone else performed the dynamic alterations when preparing the score for the 3D-remix.

I disagree, actually. I would say it was fair had not the iTunes release already been posted. But since the album itself is fair game, I fail to see how this "fan edit" (forgive me, I know it is more than that) is going to hurt sales any further…

No DE for Lost World. There are no official expansions of it, so all he’d be doing is remastering what is there, and that does not seem to be his thing.

My dear lady, you ARE observant. That is exactly the reason, I won???t even consider a Deluxe Edition unless I???ve got something to add.

BTW, I???ve updated the covers a bit and also added three more:

I???m still not happy with the cover but I wanted to give more options to choose from. Get the new archive in the original post.

… I fail to see how this "fan edit" (forgive me, I know it is more than that)…

Perfectly allright, my edition really IS a fan edit only.

With all my chatting, I seem to have forgotten to thank you for this, so…errr…thank you.:)

I always love your editions, and look forward to every single one.

Hey thanks for the answer. Having been working on a complete JP score edit for the past 15 years, I’ve kinda known my way around the score and the community. (You might know me by my other name ‘BrachioInGen’ or by my ‘Resurrected’ edit with snyth mockups and such).

Anywho, comparing Region 1 NTSC to the ALBUM, they always lined up exactly (or pretty darn close with a little wiggle room for error). But when they blu ray came out, I ripped the audio for the still missing tracks and never compared them. NOw that we have this iTunes release, I’ve compared ALL the tracks because I wanted to make sure we didn’t have alternate takes since it seems obvious to me that they went back to the original source masters and not the album masters to rebuild the edits (since so many details are changed it seems obvious).

Comparing them, I found that, like with long cues such as "Journey to the Island" they were pitched almost the same (or exactly the same hard to tell by ear) but as time progresses the iTunes tracks become longer bit by bit. I’ve compared stage noise so I KNOW these are the same takes but they are not lining up as they should.

I use a program that I’ve always used and kinda default to called MAGIX and it gives you the option to change the length of a file without changing the pitch (but you can also do both as a factor of each-other).

Anyway, it was in THIS option that once I moved it to 0.99741 that I found the music lined up as it should. Comparing it to the rips from the Blu Ray, I found that the blu ray rips lined up with the iTunes before changing the length, but that they did not fit against the original DVD releases.

This seems like a very small change but I’m always wondering what causes them… if its someone being sloppy, if it’s an error from years ago… or if you maybe recognize the amount as something that’s inherent in the technology change. I may have to see what the interval would be with pitch shift and if that ruins the pitch (it just might as they both sound the right pitch).

Any thoughts would be well appreciated.

For one, I have not heard any speed discrepances between the old CD and the new iTunes release. I should know because in two cases I used the new release to augment my old CD. On the old CD ‘Dennis steals the Embryo’ crossfades into ‘A Tree for my Bed’ while on the new release they were seperated. So I took the new ending from ‘Dennis’ and replaced the last 5 to 10 seconds of the old CD release with it. The same for the beginning of ‘A Tree for my Bed’. In both cases pitch changes would have been very obvious – but I did not hear any.

What program do you use? How can it calculate pitch changes if it doesn???t have an idea about absolute pitch (no program has)? What is the reference for this program? Secondly, I observed the opposite: the new tracks are slightly shorter – but only because they have been faded out sooner.

In theory of course the old release could have contained an ‘error’. We can assume that Jurassic Park was recorded analogue (there are many hints which support this) so a new remaster would ideally have included a new digitization of that analogue master. As unreliable as analogue tape is could mean that using this tape with a differently aligned or set-up tape playback machine would yield a very slightly different overall speed. This is of course no ‘error’ (hence the hyphens) but just a difference of used hardware.

I will not talk about the movie itself… especially the PAL release did have a speed-up I???ve never heard before.

I???ve updated the covers a bit and also added three more

These are all great. But if it’s a choice between them and Laura Dern in cargo shorts… I’m not made of stone.

Yes, BUT, what about her WITHOUT the shorts…?

Yes, BUT, what about her WITHOUT the shorts…?
you ok?

I’m just saying, prettier cover is all. Attention grabbing, as it were….

I’m just saying, prettier cover is all. Attention grabbing, as it were….

I???m with you there: Laura Dern Nude Photos Leaked Online – Mediamass (http://en.mediamass.net/people/laura-dern/nude-pics.html#slideshow)

Yes, BUT, what about her WITHOUT the shorts…?

:naughty:

Are those the very same tracks included in the bootleg, I think it was called Jurassic Park: Resurrection, with bits of SFX?

They’re from an old bootleg I had, not sure if it was the same as the "Resurrection" edit you mention, but they do have SFX.

Thanks a lot for this one. Fantastic work!

They’re from an old bootleg I had, not sure if it was the same as the "Resurrection" edit you mention, but they do have SFX.

It was a 3 disc boot. One disc included the film version, another had the original version, and I believe the third was special stuff like sound effects and I think it had the trailer music, which is actually just a track from Backdraft. There was SFX, though the Trouble With Nedry track isn’t really affected by it as much. It was the one that posted here a while back.

That’s the boot I made. It’s still the same format but it’s existed for about 15 years lol

So you can imagine its been through quite a few iterations since its early first attempt lol

That’s the boot I made. It’s still the same format but it’s existed for about 15 years lol

So you can imagine its been through quite a few iterations since its early first attempt lol

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Here’s the one I have. I believe it is the most up to date version.

Up until this iTunes release and i finish my next version, it is, yes. 🙂

The one you linked to has Blu ray rip in it replacing the DVD rips in the one before it. An earlier version didnt have synth mockups either so there have been a few very similar versions

I was very excited when I saw the iTunes bonus tracks a few days ago, but I’m even more thrilled with this. THANK YOU.

I was wondering, does anyone here have the email adress of the woman who remastered the new JP edition, in order to ask him if a complete score is on its way

I was wondering, does anyone here have the email adress of the woman who remastered the new JP edition, in order to ask him if a complete score is on its way

Last I checked a Woman is not a "him". A woman is a "her"

Last I checked a Woman is not a "him". A woman is a "her"
How’d you check?

Maybe they’re referring the him as John Williams.

Thank you captain obvious, we call that a mistake.

I was wondering, does anyone here have the email adress of the woman who remastered the new JP edition, in order to ask him if a complete score is on its way

Complete as in having the extra 2.5 minutes? Or are you suggesting we just e-mail her and ask if a leak is on the way? Perhaps we could just as easily inquire with Lord Scorpranoes?

As far as I know, JP is not at all around, getting it sounds impossible like most of the Williams’ sessions. My main focus was to email her just to ask him if we could hope for a release through lalaland or intrada

How’d you check?

I know my way around a woman

Thank you captain obvious, we call that a mistake.
excuse me?

Complete as in having the extra 2.5 minutes? Or are you suggesting we just e-mail her and ask if a leak is on the way? Perhaps we could just as easily inquire with Lord Scorpranos?

excuse me?

it was not aim to you, only to dakofthedouchebag

I would think maximizing sales with CD sales and collectable cover slips rather than a PDF and JPG would make a stronger safety net than believing in digital sales.
They would do good by her and consigning Intrada to handle physical copies.

Wait, that’s not physically available ?… In that case I’d understand the lacks of efforts in mastering generally speaking, either designed for I-Pods or for people who burn cheap quality CD-Rs and lose dramaticaly great sonic qualities…

it was not aim to you, only to dakofthedouchebag

Oh lighten up or grow some thicker skin. It was a joke.

Some people, gee wiz…

**go ooonnn**

Why would LaLa or Intrada want anything to do with this now> Aside from putting it in film order, there is virtually nothing to distinguish any new edition. Aside from being, you know, and actual cd….

Hum, who knows, I know that they are up to something with Horner Williams and Zimmer so we can hope for some hits.

Saweet! Thanks!

Why would LaLa or Intrada want anything to do with this now> Aside from putting it in film order, there is virtually nothing to distinguish any new edition. Aside from being, you know, and actual cd….

They did "The Fury"……

How’d you check?
He went around… lifting the audio engineer’s skirts…

Those weren’t skirts….

**They were kilts** 🙁 :eye:

Hey thanks for the answer. Having been working on a complete JP score edit for the past 15 years, I’ve kinda known my way around the score and the community. (You might know me by my other name ‘BrachioInGen’ or by my ‘Resurrected’ edit with snyth mockups and such).

Ah, you???re that guy! Then you should have much, much more experience with the score and I???m sorry that I doubted you.

Anywho, comparing Region 1 NTSC to the ALBUM, they always lined up exactly (or pretty darn close with a little wiggle room for error)….. Comparing them, I found that, like with long cues such as "Journey to the Island" they were pitched almost the same (or exactly the same hard to tell by ear) but as time progresses the iTunes tracks become longer bit by bit. I’ve compared stage noise so I KNOW these are the same takes but they are not lining up as they should.

So you aligned them at the start of the track and they slowly drifted apart over the whole duration? That would indeed indicate that something is off. Either a pitch change or some dropped samples. But since you???re able to re-align by changing duration WITHOUT changing pitch it can only mean that some samples have been taken out. Assuming then that they did not digitize the album master anew this might indicate that either their post-processing chain made an error or the encoding employed by Apple.

This seems like a very small change but I’m always wondering what causes them… if its someone being sloppy, if it’s an error from years ago… or if you maybe recognize the amount as something that’s inherent in the technology change. I may have to see what the interval would be with pitch shift and if that ruins the pitch (it just might as they both sound the right pitch).

This is indeed a very small change – but noteworthy nonetheless. I assume that it isn???t sloppiness on someones’ part but simply an error that could have been avoided. Having said that… in case they digitized it anew and resampled it after to the CD samplerate of 44.1 the resampling engine they used will have introduced other differences. Samplerate converters, D/A converters or oversamplers have an inherent systemic effect called ‘samplerate drift’. It means that the samplerate drifts very, very, very slightly (the famous 0.00001% wow-and-flutter of digital systems caused by the almost perfectly stable crystal) which means that a piece of music recorded two times with the same converters on different occasions will produce results that are not 100% but 99.9999999% alike. This won???t ever be audible, we or measurment instruments are unable to detect it but it???s revealed once they are aligned and copied into each other with one of them having an inverted phase. Ideally this should produce… nothing, ideally it shouldn???t be anything there after copying those files into each other. But once both files have been treated to samplerate conversion, D/A/A/D conversion or whatever they will produce differences.

I???m going to have a look at the iTunes files and the CD files and compare them and will report back.

In order for the score to be in chronological order I also had to take pieces apart… and Boy, this really wasn???t easy. In some cases I segued the new tracks (which had to be spliced as well) into old ones and in other cases I left those pieces alone. Know this: on some tracks it is plainly audible that I tricked a lot (‘Incident at Isla Nublar’ is the most prominent example), while it won???t sound well it???s the best I was able to do with the things given to me[/SIZE]

Hey man, if there is something i’m capable of doing with tracks, it’s breaking them apart and putting them together in a totally unnoticeable manner that is true to the original. The trick is to use what the entire album has to offer, not the two or more tracks you try to connect. Somewhere in that album there is a clean halve second of the instrument and tonality you need.
If you still got your un-combined tracks and the source i am willing to give it a shot.

Since the two audio mixing experts are here, Sonic and Ola, I thought I’d give this a shot: Regarding: "Desert Chase" from "Raiders." I’ve loved the DCC extended edition of this track, and have always hated that abrupt cut found on the Polydoor and Concorde release. Have either of you attempted to create an extended version of this track, taking the DCC extended bit and incorporating this into the otherwise terrific sounding version on the Concorde disc. It’s the only real flaw in the Concorde set that has irked me since it came out. I’d love a full version of this track with the Concorde level of sound quality.

You guys are wonders.

BTW, Amazon will have JP for sale on April 9th. Perhaps they will have the glitched tracks fixed.

I have come across a Flac version of ‘Las Gaviotas’ by The Madacy Mariachi Band if anybody here is interested.

How’d you check?

Maybe she’s a West African frog? They have the ability to change gender in a single sex environment….

When I’m done I’ll reap my set too and it’ll have "Las Gaviotas" on it too.

As for the drift, that sounds about right. The pitch didnt seem wrong but I will try adjusting both to see if it ruins the pitch. I can say for sure that looking at the wav form and aligning the two in one spot will eventually, even within a minute or so, show the "drift." The thing I noticed was that the music on the Album matched the timing and pitch of the NTSC but not the Blu ray. The Blu ray matches the iTunes release. Knowing that they rebuilt the audio for the 7.1 and now for the 3D release, my thought is perhaps they digitized the music masters and rebuilt the audio in the mix from this new digital transfer. I can confirm they did alter the music as some micro edits in the DVD 5.1 do not exist in the Blu ray 7.1 so I know for a fact they reassbled the mix but it seems obvious now this new mix is from a new digital conversion.

This seems odd to me because the DTS would already have the digital information but perhaps that’s the only "digital" element they had to work with… None of the pieces had been digitized and so to rebuild the sound field they had to digitize all the elements to rebuild it.

Hope that kinda makes sense… And in an inteview Williams says they went back to the "sessions" to chose new tracks for the iTunes release and I can imagine, wanting to keep the sound more uniform they chose to take all the music from the sessions and rebuild the album edits.

I know of at least a few differences in the iTunes album/CD album that lead me to believe its from a new transfer and it would make sense they’d use the transfer used to make the new 7.1 since those elements would be readily available now.

Here’s to hoping the whole thing leaks though lol

Since the two audio mixing experts are here, Sonic and Ola, I thought I’d give this a shot: Regarding: "Desert Chase" from "Raiders." I’ve loved the DCC extended edition of this track, and have always hated that abrupt cut found on the Polydoor and Concorde release. Have either of you attempted to create an extended version of this track, taking the DCC extended bit and incorporating this into the otherwise terrific sounding version on the Concorde disc. It’s the only real flaw in the Concorde set that has irked me since it came out. I’d love a full version of this track with the Concorde level of sound quality.

You guys are wonders.

BTW, Amazon will have JP for sale on April 9th. Perhaps they will have the glitched tracks fixed.

I have come across a Flac version of ‘Las Gaviotas’ by The Madacy Mariachi Band if anybody here is interested.

You can’t really say "you guys" because i didn’t really bring much editing to this forum.
But if you’re interested go here, best read the description page first. In the file section you find the music. The mainpackage mostly concists of Jerry Goldsmith and Bruce Broughton edits. The music really brings new layers to Fallout 3, both in "dungeons" and in "battles"
other upload packages not only contain battle and dungeon music but also for running through the landscape or cities 🙂

ON THE EDGE OF YOUR NERVES – Fallout Music Conversion 2011 at Fallout 3 Nexus – Fallout 3 Mods and community (http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/mods/9814)

You can guess the source album/recordings from the track names.
DAM for instance is Damnation Alley. CPRN is Capricorn One.
And so on 🙂

About the edit you request, i would need to know which source you want it edited from (in FLAC please) and some explanation how you want it to sound.

Another brilliant SA Deluxe Edition. Love your work!

Hey man, if there is something i’m capable of doing with tracks, it’s breaking them apart and putting them together in a totally unnoticeable manner that is true to the original. The trick is to use what the entire album has to offer, not the two or more tracks you try to connect. Somewhere in that album there is a clean halve second of the instrument and tonality you need.
If you still got your un-combined tracks and the source i am willing to give it a shot.

I???m sorry but I already deleted them. I know I should have kept them so that I could have attempted to use some parts from the DVD but I simply forgot…

BTW, I did exactly that for ‘Incident at Isla Nublar’: there is the last synth tone from ‘Dennis steals the Embryo’ at the end which then slowly fades into ‘The encased Mosquito’. I also "doubled" the end sequence of ‘Incident’ (sounds a bit odd). However, it still sounds odd.

The thing I noticed was that the music on the Album matched the timing and pitch of the NTSC but not the Blu ray. The Blu ray matches the iTunes release. Knowing that they rebuilt the audio for the 7.1 and now for the 3D release, my thought is perhaps they digitized the music masters and rebuilt the audio in the mix from this new digital transfer. I can confirm they did alter the music as some micro edits in the DVD 5.1 do not exist in the Blu ray 7.1 so I know for a fact they reassbled the mix but it seems obvious now this new mix is from a new digital conversion.

This seems odd to me because the DTS would already have the digital information but perhaps that’s the only "digital" element they had to work with… None of the pieces had been digitized and so to rebuild the sound field they had to digitize all the elements to rebuild it.

If what you say is true then they went full throttle and digitized everything anew. That???s an elaborate way of doing things…

Hope that kinda makes sense… And in an inteview Williams says they went back to the "sessions" to chose new tracks for the iTunes release and I can imagine, wanting to keep the sound more uniform they chose to take all the music from the sessions and rebuild the album edits.

In my experience John Williams releases always (well, maybe not always but certainly 20 years ago) receive a specially prepared master exclusively made for the CD only. This special master was derived from the recording sessions and augmented with newly composed pieces when needed (John Williams always has not only the movie score but also the soundtrack albums in mind when composing). Those pieces were then cut, elongated or made shorter to form the suites we all know. Everything for the CD was treated differerent to the sessions themselves which were left alone. The material assembled for the CD album also received special audio treatment as the sessions lacked too much reverb to be a John-Williams-score; so Shawn Murphy added artificial reverb (or had a seperate track with actual recording venue reverberation) and also changed EQ (boosting treble to amplify the fantasy aspect). All of that is the reason why the new pieces sound different: they have different dynamics, different EQ, different staging and almost no reverb. So I???m fairly certain that they used the old, specially prepared album master digitizing it anew and subsequently remastering it; then they took several tracks from the ‘pure’ sessions, digitized them, turned them into suites and tacked them to the end without any other change.

All of this is also the reason why ‘Hook’ last year was a mixed bag. The album master was still existing but some of the sessions had been lost (that???s why ‘Neverending War’ had to be agumented by film stems). It also explains why newer or other additional tracks sounded decidedly different.

In both cases they should have paid the money for Shawn Murphy to repeat his album mastering for the new tracks as good as possible. But… the score market is small and so no money will be paid as most people won???t notice anyway.

You can’t really say "you guys" because i didn’t really bring much editing to this forum.

I agree as I assume that you???re much, much better at cutting and re-editing scores together than me. The idea to use something from another piece of music for ‘Incident’ came to me very late in the process and I wish I???d gotten it sooner. But I really don???t like ‘repairing’ my releases… it???s either that I completely leave them alone or do them all over again. Needless to say that I prefer the first option 😉

Sonic, did you do a set for Hook? I don’t remember seeing one?

The odd thing I’ve noticed about the iTunes release is that even tracks that aren’t changed such as "Incident at Isla Nublar" have a different overlay point (only slightly) from "the island incident" to "the falling car" and "journey to the island" I swear has a different overlay point for "the entrance of the park" from "the dinosaurs."

I’ll have to reconfirm that though. I can say your right though about how the sessions are developed into a master for the release.

I agree as I assume that you???re much, much better at cutting and re-editing scores together than me. The idea to use something from another piece of music for ‘Incident’ came to me very late in the process and I wish I???d gotten it sooner. But I really don???t like ‘repairing’ my releases… it???s either that I completely leave them alone or do them all over again. Needless to say that I prefer the first option 😉

Yeah, at one point one needs to decide "this is a finished product". Would be different if we ourselves hadn’t an expiration date. Would be horrible in that regard to, because we would never ever finish anything. And to go back to that god/whatever comparision: We would probable still be in the making also …

P.S.: Thinking of it, i wouldn’t mind to get re-released after twenty years also 😀

P.S.S.: no you read that wrong I’m not a convict

Since the two audio mixing experts are here, Sonic and Ola, I thought I’d give this a shot: Regarding: "Desert Chase" from "Raiders." I’ve loved the DCC extended edition of this track, and have always hated that abrupt cut found on the Polydoor and Concorde release. Have either of you attempted to create an extended version of this track, taking the DCC extended bit and incorporating this into the otherwise terrific sounding version on the Concorde disc. It’s the only real flaw in the Concorde set that has irked me since it came out. I’d love a full version of this track with the Concorde level of sound quality.

… I’m not specialist of that score but I thought reading you I would post the version of an edit of that track, using the whole Polydor verion, all speed corrected, along with all the DCC missing parts. To be taken as a ‘mock up’. Besides a member here has observed the Polydor parts are not lossless unfortunately… Not so easy to tell where it cuts though, unless maybe paying close attention to the reverb and the ‘generous’ mixing of the Polydor version: Download 14 Truck Chase.flac from Sendspace.com – send big files the easy way (http://www.sendspace.com/file/4oy3gt)

Sonic, did you do a set for Hook? I don’t remember seeing one?

No, you couldn???t have seen it as I???ve never shared the version I made for myself. The version shared here (I forgot by whom) was pretty thorough if I remember correctly, it just didn???t correct the EQ issues. But the corrections for ‘The Ultimate War’ were superior than mine so my version was definitely not needed.

Yeah, at one point one needs to decide "this is a finished product". Would be different if we ourselves hadn’t an expiration date. Would be horrible in that regard to, because we would never ever finish anything. And to go back to that god/whatever comparision: We would probable still be in the making also …

I don???t believe in God or religion but who says that we aren???t still in the making? 😉

P.S.S.: no you read that wrong I’m not a convict

I wouldn???t mind if you were a convict. People need a chance to redeem themselves and if confinement is one way of doing it…

If anyone’s been here (on this forum) for more than 2 years is a convict serving time. :awsm:

Sonic, what do you mean by "loads of artificial reverb"? I am making an edit myself, but I’d like to know the parameters of Murphy’s reverb.

Sonic, what do you mean by "loads of artificial reverb"? I am making an edit myself, but I’d like to know the parameters of Murphy’s reverb.

Ha, I???d like to know the parameters too. I???m in the dark there just like you… the reverb I added is just an approximation, nothing more. My choices were completely arbitrary and I???m afraid I cannot help you there.

Sonic, what do you mean by "loads of artificial reverb"? I am making an edit myself, but I’d like to know the parameters of Murphy’s reverb.

Ah! Reverb. Such a science to me.

Now, maybe mention what software you use first…

And unfortunately due to the varying bit rates and transfer speeds you can’t just do an album phase inversion to hear the isolated reverb to figure it out either :-/

^ Haha !… Funny thoughts. Rather accept the different sources and treat them respectively as they deserve, or as you can… It may well turn the experience much richer. Some will like, some won’t, but you do it for yourself first.

Ah! Reverb. Such a science to me.

Now, maybe mention what software you use first…

I use Audacity, but I also have Adobe Soundbooth (I don’t use the latter that much though).

I just got turned onto Sony Sound Forge.
They updated about 3 months ago.

It seems to have improved a lot over the years.
Being able to handle 5.1 audio is a real boner-worthy feature.

Anyone else ever notice that "Dennis Steals the Embryo’s" has some weird mixing issues? The synth and percussion is correct, but the strings/orchestra flip channels back and fourth through the piece…
at [00:44] the upper-strings are in the right channel, while at 1:16 they’re back to the left channel and [2:57] they’re back to the right

is that intentional or is that an actual issue?

Well,the film mixes it correctly… why they would choose to flip the strings/orchestral recording back and fourth but keep the percussion/synth correct is … unknown to me

:itsamystery:

iTunes has replaced the broken tracks!

Thank you!

Could someone upload the two new fixed tracks, please?

Thank, SonicAdventure

Thank you once again – had to have this!

Thanks for another great release, hardly notice your editing points. They all sound fine to me, better then I could have done.

Could someone upload the two new fixed tracks, please?
They are not needed for Sonic’s version since he used the original OST CD.

HDTracks will be releasing the 20th anniversary set in lossless tomorrow!

HDTracks will be releasing the 20th anniversary set in lossless tomorrow!

Yes, I???m waiting for it. Let???s see if I???m able to purchase it (again) or if they will cut me off like last time. I also wonder what the format will be, let???s hope for at least 24/48. In case it???s 16/44.1 I won???t augment my edition.

They cut you off? Doesn’t seem like a good business practice to cut off paying customers.

Nevermind.

HDTracks has it available to download now as audiophile, high-resolution files at 192kHz/24bit and 96kHz/24bit.

They cut you off? Doesn’t seem like a good business practice to cut off paying customers.

Yes, until last year I was able to buy there. But since I???m not living in the States I cannot do so anymore, the right holders have strictly forbidden anyone outside the US being able to purchase something there.

HDTracks has it available to download now as audiophile, high-resolution files at 192kHz/24bit and 96kHz/24bit.

As it turns out I was able to buy it nonetheless… and it???s true 24/96, not an upsampling or resampling. This also confirms what I have been assuming for quite some time: Jurassic Park was recorded on analogue tape. I will do my whole edition again, since I can now work from true high definition files which should yield even better sound. This also presents the possibility of re-doing some crossfades I fucked up the first time. Yeah baby!!

HDTracks at 192kHz/24bit and 96kHz/24bit.

true 24/96

I hope someone uploads the 192/24 sometime soon.
sales are only available to the USA.

I hope someone uploads the 192/24 sometime soon.
sales are only available to the USA.

I already would have, but $18 is just a little too much. Especially after I stupidly bought the iTunes version.

D: $18?!?!??!?!

That’s cheap!
That’s better than what I thought it would originally be. Somewhere closer to 30.

Right, but I’m a college kid without a job and I already own this score twice. If it were $30, I wouldn’t even consider buying again unless it were complete and chronological.

Right.

What? It’s true! John Williams can’t always be my top priority. 😛

What? It’s true! John Williams can’t always be my top priority. 😛

You need to get your priorities figured out then. 😉

You need to get your priorities figured out then. 😉

:this: No exceptions.

Anyone want to go halvesies in the 192 khz FLAC?

Oh, I can’t purchase because I’m in Australia. Help out a brother?

Thanks SonicAdventure for the great work on this title! As with your "Star Trek-Nemesis" Edition, I will hold this in high esteem and consider this as the final word on this score!

Yes, until last year I was able to buy there. But since I???m not living in the States I cannot do so anymore, the right holders have strictly forbidden anyone outside the US being able to purchase something there.

This just sucks donkey balls…….and they wonder why Piracy exists 😉

As it turns out I was able to buy it nonetheless… and it???s true 24/96, not an upsampling or resampling. This also confirms what I have been assuming for quite some time: Jurassic Park was recorded on analogue tape. I will do my whole edition again, since I can now work from true high definition files which should yield even better sound. This also presents the possibility of re-doing some crossfades I fucked up the first time. Yeah baby!!

Lookin forward to hearin it….. Yeah Baby 🙂

I already would have, but $18 is just a little too much. Especially after I stupidly bought the iTunes version.

Why buy anything on iTunes….the quality just sucks ass….esp the marketing Gimmick Mastered for iTunes….it???s sounds Garbage…..actually why use iTunes at all….. 😉

Me looking at the 192/24

Why buy anything on iTunes….the quality just sucks ass….esp the marketing Gimmick Mastered for iTunes….it???s sounds Garbage…..actually why use iTunes at all….. 😉

Because I had an iTunes gift card that I wasn’t going to be using on anything else and I wanted to use my money to show Universal that expanded soundtracks are worth investing in. I was also under the impression that there wasn’t going to be a lossless release any time soon. I agree though, iTunes sucks and I will abandon it entirely within the next few years, whenever I decide to replace my iPhone with something else.

D: $18?!?!??!?!

That’s cheap!
That’s better than what I thought it would originally be. Somewhere closer to 30.

You would be surprised how cheap high def has become. Jurassic Park is an exception though, on HDTracks many things are not true high definition (TDKR for example: just an upsample, a fake).

This just sucks donkey balls…….and they wonder why Piracy exists 😉

I have bought Jurassic Park now three times. First in 1993, then in 2013 (iTunes) and 2013 (HDTracks) – with me Piracy does NOT exist. Until the moment I share my edition again of course 🙂

Hey Sonic, stop posting and get back to work on Jurassic Park! 🙂

You would be surprised how cheap high def has become. Jurassic Park is an exception though, on HDTracks many things are not true high definition (TDKR for example: just an upsample, a fake).

I’ve heard a lot about the TDKR HDtracks release.
It’s unsettling and quite disheartening.

It really’s terrible when a market aims for high definition and the entire consumer community have to wait for some poor soul to invest in the music and make a statement whether or not it’s true high def or just fake.

They’re the real pirates.

Us: "Never shall we die~"

Them: "It’s just good business~"

It’s been pointed out in the JWFan thread that the new master is 0.99741% the speed of the original CD (which matched the film speed). So it seems the cues were transferred at the wrong speed for the new release.

Source (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=5&forumID=1&threadID=95266&archive=0).

Let me explain that a little as I was the one who discovered that.

The new digitization of the film including the films audio for the Blu Ray has the music transferred at this incorrect speed. The iTunes and HD release match this which makes me think the masteres were digitized at the wrong speed but it’s such a small (but significant) speed that as explained in another thread here, it could be a result of the crystal digitization of the masters.

The original film (and the DVD release) and the Album release match up. The Blu ray and the iTunes and HD release all match so that seems they are all the same source.

The .99741 % is based on the average drift too. Some were slightly more or less but generally it was all that.

It does not seem to effect pitch however.

The only issue this presents is trying to match it to the album is difficult

Let me explain that a little as I was the one who discovered that.

The new digitization of the film including the films audio for the Blu Ray has the music transferred at this incorrect speed. The iTunes and HD release match this which makes me think the masteres were digitized at the wrong speed but it’s such a small (but significant) speed that as explained in another thread here, it could be a result of the crystal digitization of the masters.

The original film (and the DVD release) and the Album release match up. The Blu ray and the iTunes and HD release all match so that seems they are all the same source.

The .99741 % is based on the average drift too. Some were slightly more or less but generally it was all that.

It does not seem to effect pitch however.

The only issue this presents is trying to match it to the album is difficult

Interesting. I just finished downloading a full blu-ray copy of the movie.
Haven’t had the chance to watch/listen to it yet.

I think my DVD got stolen (along with many other DVD’s). I don’t have any of them anymore, save 3. 🙁 Why 3?? They knew what they were stealing.
So I can’t compare.
FOR SCIENCE!
:smrt:

Here’s the 192/24. It’ll be online for a few days to a week. Feel free to mirror wherever.

https://truck.it/p/9nG0ZWelLB

Having now compared the original film’s audio to that of the 3D mix, I can tell you many changes of been made and it appears that like the iTunes release, the currently in theatres release is the slightly slow… but at the same time, there seems to be evidence they tried to accommodate for this… it’s kinda hard to make heads or tails of what they did honestly…

Having now compared the original film’s audio to that of the 3D mix, I can tell you many changes of been made and it appears that like the iTunes release, the currently in theatres release is the slightly slow… but at the same time, there seems to be evidence they tried to accommodate for this… it’s kinda hard to make heads or tails of what they did honestly…

wut?

Thank you

Hey Sonic, stop posting and get back to work on Jurassic Park! 🙂

Yeah, I think it???ll take a while. I usually don???t like to revisit something I did… and of course I???m working on something different right now.

There’s a very interesting (and very technical) discussion about the 192kHz/24bit version (specifically track 11, High-Wire Stunts) in this forum:

Jurassic Park soundtrack wave images @ HD Tracks (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f13-audiophile-downloads/jurassic-park-soundtrack-wave-images-%40-hd-tracks-15731/)

When shall there be a DE for The Lost World? 2017?

This HD version of the Jurassic Park score it’s incredible!! I love how the spectrum analysis shows a lot of information. We can even notice where some tracks had been edited (I think). For example in track 2 "Theme from Jurassic Park" we can see how the spectrum info it’s totally different in the intro part of the track, and the final part. I’m sure that’s the "Woompy Ending" insert.

There’s a very interesting (and very technical) discussion about the 192kHz/24bit version (specifically track 11, High-Wire Stunts) in this forum:

Jurassic Park soundtrack wave images @ HD Tracks (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f13-audiophile-downloads/jurassic-park-soundtrack-wave-images-%40-hd-tracks-15731/)

Very interesting that even though I don’t own a copy of the score, just the trilogy on blu-ray and that’s enough for me!

Here’s the 192/24. It’ll be online for a few days to a week. Feel free to mirror wherever.

https://truck.it/p/9nG0ZWelLB

Thank you! I would have buy it myself if HDTracks let me… The country restrictions sucks! 🙁

Great job on this! Thanks for sharing 🙂 I must note – the previously unreleased tracks (as released, not your master) have plenty of production reverb on them – not as much as the album tracks, but it’s there very much so. I think the biggest difference is the brightness of the new tracks. I don’t know what my aim is by pointing that out, just an observation 🙂

I edit scores myself – I did the Indiana Jones definitive editions in 2007-2011 if you came across them when demonoid was around. You did one hell of a job on this; your passion and love for the score really shows in your work!! This was the last great score John Williams did – it was the last one that really took us to that ‘place’ we want to go with his music, and I thank you sir for finally presenting it properly 🙂

You matched everything up beautifully!

Much respect and gatitude 🙂
-D

Williams’ last great score???? Someone must not think very highly of The Lost World, The Philosopher’s Stone or The Prisoner of Azkaban!

Thank you! I would have buy it myself if HDTracks let me… The country restrictions sucks! 🙁

A Proxyserver really helps, you should try it out sometimes.

Great job on this! Thanks for sharing 🙂 I must note – the previously unreleased tracks (as released, not your master) have plenty of production reverb on them – not as much as the album tracks, but it’s there very much so. I think the biggest difference is the brightness of the new tracks. I don’t know what my aim is by pointing that out, just an observation 🙂

Yes, there is some actual reverb on the previously unreleased tracks. The difference between old and new tracks is still baffling. You???re right though, the EQ is very different too. The album tracks have more brilliance, mids, less deep bass and more upper bass.

This was the last great score John Williams did – it was the last one that really took us to that ‘place’ we want to go with his music, and I thank you sir for finally presenting it properly 🙂

You matched everything up beautifully!

Much respect and gatitude 🙂

I like that you like it but I couldn???t disagree more regarding your statement that this is the last great JW score. To ignore the Star Wars prequel scores and the Harry Potter scores (Azkaban) is almost an insult, to me they are a part of the greatest scores ever written. I generally prefer what is commonly described as the "John Williams of the digital age" as that music is more complex, challenging and not so… I don???t know, ‘easy’.

I wouldnt say Williams 70’s 80’s work was any less complex than his later works, just less balletic and frenzied (even his 70s work was somewhat frenzied, Wards Big Gun from 1941, and Superfeats from Superman)

Thanks very much.

Any chance for the 192/24 Flac version to be re-upped?

Thanks SonicAdventure!! EPIC!! 🙂

Dead keen to hear this one. Hopefully it has the track where Muldoon is preparing to shoot the raptor!

A reup of the 192/24 Flac version would be amazing. Can someone reup it please? THX 🙂

Thanks ! Link now dead unfortunately

Thanks ! Link now dead unfortunately

The Get.it links still work. As usual lol. I guess it seems to be the great last man standing of hosting sites – for how long though?

Thanks again, SonicAdventure. I had the regular 2013 re-release and thought I could upgrade this great score!

Thanks for yet another great share!

Thanks.

Any chance for a 192/24 re-up ? ALL links are dead, unfortunately…

thanks sonic

Is the 24-bit~96kHz an Official release? because the Artwork looks redone customized. I’m referring to the 20 Track release.

Is the 24-bit~96kHz an Official release? because the Artwork looks redone customized. I’m referring to the 20 Track release.

The 20th Anniversary release is available in hi-res on HDTracks.

Any chance for a re-up please?

Thank you ! Always excellent work !

Danger, danger, Will Robinson! All if the links in the first post are dead, except for the SolidFiles pair. And my computer’s antiviruses go nuts with whatever’s being downloaded from there. They’ve never done that before.

SolidFiles pair…antiviruses

Probably one of the ads the site uses.
Sites that rely on ads for revenue, especially non-popular sites that we’ve never heard of like that one, have no control over the ads they get to use.
They get their ads from a central database, which will sometimes lead to malicious ads.
They can’t do anything about it unless they pay money, which no one is paying for their services (at least not enough to remove ads).

You probably also ended up clicking on an installer that those sites promote (which are not needed).
And probably clicked the wrong "download" button, which often leads to some video player that’s typically just adware.

If you got an adblock enabled, you should see less crap on that SolidFiles site.
And when you click the big green button for "download", it’s for their own downloader, which also probably has shareware/adware in it just gain revenue for your free services.
Instead, click the underlined text that says "Direct download link".
If you hover your mouse icon over it, it will show you the ".rar" in the status window at the bottom of your browser.
If you hover your mouse icon over the big green button (that’s misleading to their installer), it will show you something else entirely in the status window at the bottom of your browser.

That’s the same principle for all the mirrored sites, since they’re mostly free and not_popular and have to rely on ads because you won’t pay.

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Hmm. SolidFiles is actually pretty fast for a free site.

Going to check the Braveheart again…

Once more, thank you for your excellent work !

Thank you, TheSparkTank 2.1. That’s exactly what I did, click on the big green button, which tried to upload who knows what, various files with numerical file names that my AVs wouldn’t let aboard. Didn’t even see the little Direct Download label. Should have looked more carefully.

And thank you, again, for the umpteenth tome, SonicAdventure. Your remasters are terrific. They are the way the albums should have sounded when they were released. Your work is hugely appreciated and you skill much envied. One can only wish you have access to a hidden stash of Billie Goldenberg. All best!

And thank you, again, for the umpteenth tome, SonicAdventure. Your remasters are terrific. They are the way the albums should have sounded when they were released. Your work is hugely appreciated and you skill much envied. One can only wish you have access to a hidden stash of Billie Goldenberg. All best!

Thank you very much… but Jurassic Park really isn???t my best work.

Anyway, can I cuddle with you now? 🙂

I wish Sonic was employed by some of these film music companies so that their releases could just sound better in the first place! It’s silly than a non-professional (meaning no disrespect…simply meaning not paid) has to put in a bunch of time on these things just to make them not sound like crap and be consistent. Imagine if Sonic had access to the original recording files on lots of these…

Anyway SonicAdventure, if you ever get around to doing a Jurassic Park 2.0 (perhaps with the FLAC files for the new bits), I’ll be first in line!

I wish Sonic was employed by some of these film music companies so that their releases could just sound better in the first place! It’s silly than a non-professional (meaning no disrespect…simply meaning not paid) has to put in a bunch of time on these things just to make them not sound like crap and be consistent. Imagine if Sonic had access to the original recording files on lots of these…

Anyway SonicAdventure, if you ever get around to doing a Jurassic Park 2.0 (perhaps with the FLAC files for the new bits), I’ll be first in line!

A professional will produce better results than me – if he/she is paid enough money. And you certainly are not disrespectful when you call me a non-professional – it is the truth and I don???t mind the truth, in fact, I welcome it. I???m an amateur – and Jurassic Park is wonderful proof of that (forgive the cynicism)… I really don???t like what I did. Sound is OK, crossfades are not, they suck. At some point, I will do this Edition again using the files I bought at HDTracks.

Great news; I really look forward to your next crack at it!

Thanks 🙂

Awesome, great!!! Always I appreciate your work, SonicAdventure. Big thanks for sharing it!!! 🙂
Regards!!!

I will do this Edition again using the files I bought at HDTracks.

Then I hope you post a warning here about it! I’d like to hear it too!

Can’t thank you enough for this one!
I had really a big problem with the quiet parts and this is so much better! I am very surprised what you can hear now!
You are doing an awsome work.
In the wake of Jurassic World I just had to listen to the Jurassic Park Score again and your version is really better than the offical one.
Wish you a very nice christmas!

Fantastic! Thanks!!! 🙂 🙂

At some point, I will do this Edition again using the files I bought at HDTracks.

*waits impatiently*

Fantastic. Thanks!

Here the original file in alac
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Ooo thank you

Could someone re-upload this edition of the score? Thanks in advance

A second request if anybody has this in lossless.

And a third request. Pretty, pretty please!

Umm, you’re all very nice for still wanting to hear this set. But it has been superseeded by the LLL version. Which is – mostly – better than this one. Sound quality is good enough to not be a bother so I would just buy their set. The design is also very good (apart from missing dinosaur teeth) so I’m actually thinking about asking to delete this thread.

Links do not work 🙁 Please REupload

Here is a re-upload for those who want to give it a listen. Its in M4A

http://www.mediafire.com/file/82rh6hvv34o4eky/John%20Williams%20-%20Jurassic%20Park%20%2820th%20Anniversary%20Delux e%20Edition%29.zip

Credit goes to SonicAdventure for creating this awesome set.

Here is a re-upload for those who want to give it a listen. Its in M4A

http://www.mediafire.com/file/82rh6hvv34o4eky/John%20Williams%20-%20Jurassic%20Park%20%2820th%20Anniversary%20Delux e%20Edition%29.zip

Credit goes to SonicAdventure for creating this awesome set.

Thanks a lot, love… but the LLL set is way better. Really.

Surely you would need to start asking money if you want your douche badge to retain its credibility.

Thanks for the share???