The program Movie Magic played a five minutes suite of The Amazing Spiderman, by James Horner. I’ve downloaded the podcast and uploaded the suite:
James Horner – Spiderman preview.mp3 (http://www.mediafire.com/?a7s9al2lqsmn8ep)
I am not convinced for the moment , I will probably wait to see the movie in order to make it match with the music.
Need to hear the whole score, stand alone and in the film.
although the best score comes out July 17th…
just what i had in mind. agreed.
although the best score comes out July 17th…
I’m getting The Dark Knight Rises as well, but I’m no Zimmer nut.
although the best score comes out July 17th…
CANT WAIT FOR TDKR!!!! Anyone going to be blasting it before the premiere?:whatislove:
although the best score comes out July 17th…
If you are referring to TDKR soundtrack? Well it remains to be seen its not like Hans Zimmer is that perfect and wasn’t capable of making a relatively generic and forgettable score
To the uploader:
Thank you for posting this sampler.
To the uploader:
Thank you for posting this sampler.
have you not heard the score in trailer 3? or the score in the MTV Movie Awards trailer?
Who cares if anyone here has heard it because this is a SPIDER-MAN thread, NOT a Dark Knight Rises Thread.
Apparently I did and I wasn’t particularly impressed. I get it your a big TDKR/Zimmer fan but stating it as the best score to come out without fully hearing the entire score is an exaggeration. Besides it’s a SPIDERMAN thread like someone already mentioned.
I have the Elfman scores, but they do nothing for me really. Neither did the X-Men films. When I think of these kinds of films, it is more with a Williams style. So, we’ll see. Horner fan-ette or not, I am not going to gauge a film score based on a 5 minute sample. I will say though that as interesting as the third Spidey was in some ways, it was really starting to show age as a franchise. You all know the classic spidey will always be the younger Parker. And, remember Parker always had a smart ass mouth. And, a lot of angst. This was somewhat missing in the first two films, at least for me. In the comics, it’s sometimes like he’d never shut up. I will also posit the idea that this film is placing a younger Spidey into a whole different world, in the aftermath of 9/11 and the wars. Times have changed, and updating the story may well work, at least for a new crop of spidey fans.
Just had a listen. I can’t really say much from that. It sounds about right-ish though. Gonna have to place it with images, I think. And maybe longer tracks. We’ll see. I love Horner, but this seems an odd combination…
First Listen aus James Horners Score zu "The Amazing Spider-Man" – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_hj_YZEQzcU#)!
Sample of each track. 10 min of Horner.
First Listen aus James Horners Score zu "The Amazing Spider-Man" – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_hj_YZEQzcU#)!
Sample of each track. 10 min of Horner.
Thank you. Nothing really stands out, I have to say. Seems pretty generic to me.
This just all seems very lightweight and carefree, like it could just as easily be a parody farce from Robert Folk or something.
Too spry and whimsical for my favored taste.
Maybe it will grow on me though…
But I mean Danny just defined the character and Chris Young was on such a great track and no one asked for this and why do bad things happen to good people
No, nope. Open mind I’m keeping.
That’s gonna change, cause I’m really enjoying those samples 😀
First Listen aus James Horners Score zu "The Amazing Spider-Man" – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_hj_YZEQzcU#)!
Sample of each track. 10 min of Horner.
I’m loving those samples. As I said on the youtube comments, it feels familiar yet it feels different from I was expecting from James. I’ll be there day 1 when the movie opens, and just for the music 😀 (I hope the movie is fun at least)
Even more generic is to call every single score generic. What’s not generic for people?
First Listen aus James Horners Score zu "The Amazing Spider-Man" – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_hj_YZEQzcU#)!
Sample of each track. 10 min of Horner.
Does anyone know where this came from? And if there’s the possibility of higher quality previews (preferably for download)?
Main Titles
Becoming Spider-Man
Lizard at School!
Superman01993 – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Superman01993)
Think the soundtrack will leak soon 🙂
Not sure if I should just post it here or not, though.
EDIT:
Screw it. Here, take it already:
Just download the thing from my edited post. It’s 128k mp3 but not bad.
The Amazing Spiderman- James Horner – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE2CED826395A81D2)
😀
The Amazing Spiderman- James Horner – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE2CED826395A81D2)
you do realize that the album I linked here was used by mgm5215 for those videos, right?
…It’s actually a really good score 😉
Horner hasn’t gone to his cliche book for a change (See: Zorro, Avatar basically being interchangeable scores) and has some unique stuff in there. He’s aping Danny Elfman a bit in parts though, I think that’s possibly a bit of temp-score syndrome happening as well as (more likely) the other three films being still in peoples heads, even creative composers would have Elfmans work in the back of their minds as a ‘template’. Not everyone has the balls to ‘Do a Zimmer’ and dump an iconic theme for something else. It’s pretty good score though, in my opinion… one of the better ones we’ve had, next to the Avengers which has grown on me a lot.
Except you can hear part of Elfman’s Batman theme in Zimmer’s "The Dark Knight".
I like that it’s there.
Haha. Suuuuuure.
If you have the regular album, it’s in "I’m Not a Hero" and "A Dark Knight".
If you have the 2-disc version, it’s in those and "Buyer Beware".
If you have the leaked sessions, it’s in "Find The Batman" and "Buyer Beware".
The Elfman melody is in there, just rhythmically a little different but the notes are the same.
It’s not my problem if you can’t hear it.
It’s not my problem if you can’t hear it.
I can’t hear it, because it’s not there. You’re imagining it there. If the theme was there, Elfman would be credited. He’s not. It might sound similar to you, but I assure you it is not the theme. Zimmer (…and Newton-Howard) have gone out of their way to avoid any use of traditional Batman-esque themes, there’s multiple interviews, sources and commentaries from Nolan and Zimmer to this effect. In short, you might think it’s there, but it’s not. It’s an illusion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00lfkHlJ_VM).
Saying "the notes are the same" is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of knowledge of music. "Oh the notes are the same" …yes, lots of notes are re-used. That’s called music. I hate it when people think there’s something that just simply is not there, I bet you’re one of those people that stares at teaser posters for movies and swears they see spoiler images of Darth Vader or some junk.
…if so, there’s a piece of toast with Jesus on it playing the Elfman Batman theme on a unicorn and I’ll sell it to you for $20
Horner hasn’t gone to his cliche book for a change (See: Zorro, Avatar basically being interchangeable scores) and has some unique stuff in there. He’s aping Danny Elfman a bit in parts though, I think that’s possibly a bit of temp-score syndrome happening as well as (more likely) the other three films being still in peoples heads, even creative composers would have Elfmans work in the back of their minds as a ‘template’. Not everyone has the balls to ‘Do a Zimmer’ and dump an iconic theme for something else. It’s pretty good score though, in my opinion… one of the better ones we’ve had, next to the Avengers which has grown on me a lot.
Ok, I preface this opinion by saying i have not listened to any of the three Spiderman film scores outside of their respective films, which I only saw once in the theater. I have the complete scores, but just have not got round. So, I can’t pick out similar themes etc.
So, I think, if some of the themes ARE in it, or if it "feels like Elfman", Horner may simply be doing what was asked of him. Perhaps the directors et al had a very definite style in mind, and it is the composer’s job to deliver that. Just a thought.
None of the Elfman themes are in the new score. None of them. It just has a similar feel to the Elfman score, which as I said, is most likely what was asked of him… the good news (for us fans) is it’s actually quite good and has some nice moments that don’t rely on Horner’s usual musical crutches…
Really surprised me, but it’s actually quite decent.
If you have the 2-disc version, it’s in those and "Buyer Beware".
If you have the leaked sessions, it’s in "Find The Batman" and "Buyer Beware".
The Elfman melody is in there, just rhythmically a little different but the notes are the same.
It’s not my problem if you can’t hear it.
it’s not really Elfman’s Batman theme, per se… (or Herrmann’s ‘Sunrise’ cue) … it does come pretty close though – it could be a cute little musical wink from Zimmer.. composers have certainly done this before, but I guess we’ll never know unless someone asks Zimmer about it. Personally, if I was writing that cue and found myself coming that close to the famous theme from a previous incarnation of the same film, I would change it. So maybe it is on purpose.
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I can’t hear it, because it’s not there. You’re imagining it there. If the theme was there, Elfman would be credited. He’s not. It might sound similar to you, but I assure you it is not the theme. Zimmer (…and Newton-Howard) have gone out of their way to avoid any use of traditional Batman-esque themes, there’s multiple interviews, sources and commentaries from Nolan and Zimmer to this effect. In short, you might think it’s there, but it’s not. It’s an illusion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00lfkHlJ_VM).
Saying "the notes are the same" is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of knowledge of music. "Oh the notes are the same" …yes, lots of notes are re-used. That’s called music. I hate it when people think there’s something that just simply is not there, I bet you’re one of those people that stares at teaser posters for movies and swears they see spoiler images of Darth Vader or some junk.
…if so, there’s a piece of toast with Jesus on it playing the Elfman Batman theme on a unicorn and I’ll sell it to you for $20
the part he’s referring to, the melodic line does follow the same 5 note progression of Elfman’s Batman theme… it’s just that everything around it is different. It’s no close enough that any credit or royalties would be owed. It could be accidental (that progression, or something similar, turns up in lots of stuff) or it could be a purposeful nod to the theme. But, from a knowledgeable musical standpoint, yes that 5 note progression is the same.
Which is what many people have done, here’s one I remember (http://www.rediff.com/movies/2005/jun/15hans.htm) but there is more out there, including educated deconstructions of Zimmer/Howards work vs. Elfmans*.
Excerpt:
I don’t have a Batman theme. I didn’t watch the movie again, on purpose. And, when James (Newton Howard, his co-composer) and I were working in the studios, Danny was in the other room working on (Tim Burton’s) Charlie And The Chocolate Factory. So we’d kid around, and I’d ask if he wants to help with some bat-stuff. And he’d laugh and say, ‘I’ve already done it. It’s your problem now.’ It is going to be compared with his work, but I can’t help that. It’s not a fair comparison. Like when The Beatles are compared to The Stones: they may both be singing a lovesong, but that’s about all they have in common. And this is a Christopher Nolan film, which just happens to be called Batman. And that makes it completely separate from a Tim Burton film.
In another section of the interview he talks about taking a completely different approach to the music, stylistically and thematically from what had come before. Yes, there’s a good chance he may "homage" the general tone, or a couple of notes from Elfmans score, they are both in minor keys which is similar (chuckle) …but the assertion that he’s whole-handedly ripped Elfmans theme (which is what that other dude was saying) is completely, factually and utterly incorrect. Neat little tidbit that they were in the same studio at the same time though, which is why I remember that particular interview.
…the part he’s referring to, the melodic line does follow the same 5 note progression of Elfman’s Batman theme… it’s just that everything around it is different. It’s no close enough that any credit or royalties would be owed. It could be accidental (that progression, or something similar, turns up in lots of stuff) or it could be a purposeful nod to the theme. But, from a knowledgeable musical standpoint, yes that 5 note progression is the same.
I guess we’re ignoring the fact they’re in completely different keys and tempo to make this fit, right? Your Jesus toast is in the mail, kid. It’s not there, homage… maybe… but they’re tonally and thematically (…nevermind instrumentally) completely different pieces of work and you simply can’t compare them. Sorry, but all your circle pegs don’t fit into your square holes when it comes to music.
Case closed.
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EDIT:
*THIS
(http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/dark_knight.html)
Elfman used some rousing major-key statements in his material. But what remains more important is the fact that Elfman used both minor and major key components in the theme to represent Bruce Wayne’s two personas. Elliot Goldenthal would follow suit in his title theme for the latter two sequels. Zimmer, on the other hand, is so infatuated with the darker side of the character that he doesn’t seem to equate the major key part of Elfman’s "happy jolly theme" with the necessary element of superhero duty.
The fact remains that at :14 seconds in to this cue: The Dark Knight (Complete Score – No SFX) [Recording Sessions] – 1-03 – Find the Batman – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnXuHpVqWhY) the 5-note progression is exactly the same as the opening portion of Elfman’s Batman theme (and also "Sunrise" by Bernard Herrmann, which is probably where Elfman got it from in the first place). It’s just a small motif in context to Zimmer’s full score and primary themes… not something that require a credit, not something that is a rip-off, etc etc.. however it seems plausible that Zimmer could have been aware of what he was doing while composing this bit – It wouldn’t be him basing one of his major new Batman themes or stylistic approach on Elfman, it would be him making a small reference, or nod, towards the previous score. Lots of composers do this, and it’s possible that that’s what Zimmer is doing here.
It’s called a homage, and I’ve already said that’s more than plausible, but that’s not what that other dude said, who claimed Zimmer "copied" Elfmans theme, which he didn’t. So you’re not being consistant with his argument, and basically agreeing with me.
…even though I honestly think you’re hearing what you want to hear to fit your opinion, which is fine. Fact remains, they’re totally different scores, completely different pieces of composed music and my original statement of Zimmer being bold enough to ditch an iconic theme, remains, true. Which was how this tangent got started in the first place by some doofus claiming he didn’t.
Time to limp back on topic, kids…
Saying "the notes are the same" is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of knowledge of music. "Oh the notes are the same" …yes, lots of notes are re-used. That’s called music. I hate it when people think there’s something that just simply is not there, I bet you’re one of those people that stares at teaser posters for movies and swears they see spoiler images of Darth Vader or some junk.
…if so, there’s a piece of toast with Jesus on it playing the Elfman Batman theme on a unicorn and I’ll sell it to you for $20
Now there’s a Hans Zimmer apologist if there ever was one. Even goes down a road of insulting people, just like any Zimmer nut would do.
I know all about similarities and quotes, because I listen to James Horner’s music all the time. That should tell you (or anyone) I’m well aware of musical quotes. People go our of their way to say Horner re-used this and that because they’ve trained themselves to hear things that ARE NOT THERE, but are nothing more than stylistic choices. Zimmer is one of those people who will ramble on and on about how different and extreme and creative he is, but at the end of the day, the end result speaks for itself. Just because you don’t want to hear the similarity, doesn’t mean it’s not there.
The only "Case Closed" here involves you listing a bunch of Filmtracks review quotes to back up a weak argument. Begins was indeed done before TDK and the melody I’m referring to is in TDK. Of course that has been mentioned that below:
the part he’s referring to, the melodic line does follow the same 5 note progression of Elfman’s Batman theme… it’s just that everything around it is different. It’s no close enough that any credit or royalties would be owed. It could be accidental (that progression, or something similar, turns up in lots of stuff) or it could be a purposeful nod to the theme. But, from a knowledgeable musical standpoint, yes that 5 note progression is the same.
Funny how Biggs said this is musically ignorant. He must’ve been referring to himself.
yes, yes I’m aware of all the things Zimmer has said about his approach and how different it is. And it’s obvious, listening to his score, how different it is. Of course, I don’t know what he’s talking about as far as Elfman having rousing major-key statements, unless he means the closing bit that’s referencing Also Sprach Zarathustra, but anyways…
The fact remains that at :14 seconds in to this cue: The Dark Knight (Complete Score – No SFX) [Recording Sessions] – 1-03 – Find the Batman – YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnXuHpVqWhY) the 5-note progression is exactly the same as the opening portion of Elfman’s Batman theme (and also "Sunrise" by Bernard Herrmann, which is probably where Elfman got it from in the first place). It’s just a small motif in context to Zimmer’s full score and primary themes… not something that require a credit, not something that is a rip-off, etc etc.. however it seems plausible that Zimmer could have been aware of what he was doing while composing this bit – It wouldn’t be him basing one of his major new Batman themes or stylistic approach on Elfman, it would be him making a small reference, or nod, towards the previous score. Lots of composers do this, and it’s possible that that’s what Zimmer is doing here.
Exactly. As I said the same notes, in order, that make up Elfman’s theme are in there, but rhythmically they are different, and of course the surrounding elements are different. I guess you’re "imagining" things as much as I am, since this Biggs character thinks he knows better.
The linked interview was done in 2005, before he did the scores for the second and third movies, which contain the "wink". The theory is still pretty plausible.
It’s as plausible as people saying Horner directly referenced Elfman’s Spider-Man themes and styles. It’s what people want to believe, for better or worse.
I totally disagree with yall. I think the first 3 Spider-Man films were SHIT! To me this looks 1000% better! I love that Peter Parker is sarcastic, just like in the comics. The Sam Rami trillogy made Peter look too much like a wimp. I think the films needed a reboot.
I listened to the TDK score a bunch of times, and I’m quite familiar with the Elfman theme as well, and I NEVER noticed that. Those five notes… It’s too quick, I’m pretty sure this is totally unintentional from Zimmer, and basically a random thing.
As for Horner, it’s no secret he reused good portions of his own compositions throughout the years, which is not better really…
Although I’m listening to his TAS right now, I have to say that the few cues posted here didn’t really do justice to the full score, which seems quite enjoyable and not very Horner-ish so far.
THe Zimmer v world thing always gets rough. Here is my ONLY opinion:
Elfman’s scores exactly fit the musical style I want and enjoy for a big superhero epid. And it fits seamlessly with Buton’s filming style. Since he seems to be the only composer Burton uses, for the most part. Perfect score for it’s film. And personally, a great stand alone listening experience.
Zimmer’s score is more texture and mood, for the most part, and is not exactly my cup of tea style wise. BUT, for the film it was written for it is perfect. Zimmer’s score works just as perfectly for it’s films as Elfman’s does. Even steven. But as a stand alone listen, while I like it, is less thrilling for me. But I say that about most modern score styles.
Bottom line for me: Buton’s version was darker than had been screened before, but also big, bold and quirky. Elfman is the ONLY one I can associate with that film. Batman begins and The dark Knight are VERY much darker, TDK especially. All mood and shadows and serious. Their scores are pitch perfect for that, and Zimmer et al are the only ones I can associate to that film.
So, I figure both are equal and perfect.
Nya. :awsm:
Nya. :awsm:
They are indeed, just as Goldenthal’s music was perfect for Schumacher’s take, and Walker’s music was perfect for the animated series.
THe Zimmer v world thing always gets rough. Here is my ONLY opinion:
Elfman’s scores exactly fit the musical style I want and enjoy for a big superhero epid. And it fits seamlessly with Buton’s filming style. Since he seems to be the only composer Burton uses, for the most part. Perfect score for it’s film. And personally, a great stand alone listening experience.
Zimmer’s score is more texture and mood, for the most part, and is not exactly my cup of tea style wise. BUT, for the film it was written for it is perfect. Zimmer’s score works just as perfectly for it’s films as Elfman’s does. Even steven. But as a stand alone listen, while I like it, is less thrilling for me. But I say that about most modern score styles.
Bottom line for me: Buton’s version was darker than had been screened before, but also big, bold and quirky. Elfman is the ONLY one I can associate with that film. Batman begins and The dark Knight are VERY much darker, TDK especially. All mood and shadows and serious. Their scores are pitch perfect for that, and Zimmer et al are the only ones I can associate to that film.
So, I figure both are equal and perfect.
Nya. :awsm:
I agree. The comparisions of the scores of films from a franchise are annoying. They always disrespect the latest to praise the first ones.
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