NOW I POST HOOK COMPLETE SCORE 3 CD’S EDITION
MUSIC BY JOHN WILLIAMS
TRACKLIST:
01.- Prologue (Trailer Music)
02.- ”We Don’t Wanna Grow Up” (Title Card)
03.- Banning Back Home
04.- The Darling Household
05.- Peter’s Old Room
06.- Grandma’s Tale
07.- Tucking In The Children – The Pocket Watch
08.- The Dog Barks Hook
09.- The Children Were Screaming – Hook’s Back
10.- Granny Wendy (Version I)
11.- Granny Wendy (Version II)
12.- Faerie Tales (Don’t You KNow Who You Are)
13.- The Appearance Of Tinker Bell – The Flight
14.- Pirate Town – Blending In [March]
15.- The Appearance Of Hook
16.- A Shadow Of Peter Pan – He’s Forgotten Everything – Three Days
17.- From Mermaids To Lost Boys
18.- Home Of The Lost Boys
19.- Lost Boy Chase
20.- There You Are Peter
21.- Smee’s Plan
22.- Lessons [Run Home, Jack]
23.- The Banquet
24.- Never Feast
25.- ”When You’re Alone”
26.- Is That A Clock?
27.- Remembering Childhood
28.- You Are The Pan
29.- The Battle I
30.- The Battle II
31.- The Battle III
32.- Hook’s Gone
33.- Farewell Neverland – Finale
34.- End Credits
35.- Neverland [That Place Between Sleep And Awake]
36.- The Appearance Of Tinker Bell / The Flight (Alternate #1)
37.- The Appearance Of Tinker Bell – The Flight (Alternate #2)
38.- There You Are Peter (Aalternate)
39.- The Banquet (Alternate)
40.- Thematics #1
41.- Remembering Childhood (Alternate)
42.- The Appearance Of Peter Pan (Alternate)
43.- Thematics #2
44.- Exit Music
45.- "Childhood"
46.- Banning Back Home (W/Sound Effects)
47.- Peter And Tink
48.- The Battle I (Alternate)
49.- Prologue Music (Alternate Cue # 1)
50.- Prologue Music (Alternate Cue # 2)
TOTAL TIME: 3 HOURS 20 MINUTES
ENJOY IT
LINK:
Free Online Storage & File Upload with FileServe (http://www.fileserve.com/file/Wn3tyRH/Hook) Complete Score From The Recording Sessions.rar
This is the 3 cd version. There’s another 4 cd version but includes cues with fx. Also, checking here in the forum, i’ve found another 4 cd version without fx. I don’t know if both 4 cd version are the same.
ADD.- As i can see, this is a fan edit version. So, if anyone will report this to the moderator of this forum to delete, i won’t be upset. Thanks.
p.s. I mean no offense at all btw, just wondering if this is FINALLY the real deal!
i hear this score in good quality, my opinion is that this score has a good quality. Please let me know if the quality is just like you mention befores
thanks.
P.s. of course no offense
This is the original post:
HOOK: EXPANDED ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK (2-CD SET)
LLLCD 1211
LIMITED EDITION OF 5000 UNITS
RETAIL PRICE: $29.98
RE-ISSUE PRODUCED BY DIDIER C. DEUTSCH AND MARK G. WILDER
MASTERED BY MARK G. WILDER AND MARIA TRIANA
SUPERVISED AND APPROVED BY JOHN WILLIAMS
LINER NOTES BY DANIEL SCHWEIGER
ART DIRECTION BY JIM TITUS
La-La Land Records and Sony Music presents the world premiere release of the official remastered and expanded edition of renowned composer John Williams’s original score to the 1991 Tri-Star Pictures adventure/fantasy Steven Spielberg-directed epic, HOOK! Long considered one of the maestro’s best scores in collaboration with Mr. Spielberg, this masterwork is finally presented here in a worthy 2-CD release that contains more than 140 mins of music, including alternate and unused cues, greatly expanding the score’s original 1991 album assembly with more than 65 minutes of music previously unreleased. Amazing art design by Jim Titus and great, in-depth liners from film music writer Daniel Schweiger round out this amazing soundtrack experience that will have you never wanting to grow up!
This album assembly was supervised by John Williams . . .the completed project approved by both John Williams and Steven Spielberg.
We’ve been listening to this thing at La-La Land non-stop and are so excited to finally share it with all of you next Tuesday!
CD goes on sale TUESDAY, MARCH 27 at 1 pm pst at www.lalalandrecords.com
Additional Information:
Posted by "phbart"
Expanded "Hook" Will Not Be Complete (This is the Thread)
From Jwfan:
"13 March 2012, 9:55 pm
An interview with album producer Didier C. Deutch reveals that La-La Land’s upcoming release of Hook will not be complete due to some cues being excluded at the request of John Williams. Here is an excerpt:
After numerous exchanges between his representatives and La-La Land, the release was endorsed by Williams.
The production cost was enormous, but fortunately Columbia came to the rescue. All I had to do was to go to the studio with my engineer, with all the elements in their place exactly as I designed the complete music of the film, from beginning to end. So we put on this double disc all we hear in the film, including pieces that have not been used. Meanwhile, John Williams, through his intermediaries, said he wanted to hear what we had done. He made a few suggestions. He asked that certain pieces that were repetitive be eliminated, and he excluded some pieces that didn’t fit with the rest of the score like Take Me out to the Ball Game. In short, he re-created the soundtrack as we hear it on this double disc. "
Have a look at this thread, particularly posts 76-78. This probably isn’t a complete score release, but we won’t know for sure for another week yet. In any case, La-La Land just doesn’t use the word "complete" in its releases anymore.
La-La Land Records announces HOOK (Expanded) coming March 27th – JOHN WILLIAMS Fan Network – Page 2 (http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21412&st=40)
Yes but it’s an expanded release that Williams actually gave his own input on what cues should be included. And that’s something considering that Williams never cared to be involved on this process of special editions to his own scores.
And since it is John Williams himself that didn’t want some music to be included, i accept his wishes, because it is his music after all and he’s much more sensitive to his work than anyone else.
what i am saying is that i hope a complete score, but like you say, is william’s music, and the expanded score will be amazing
Not living under a rock, no, but I merely have many interests and a very busy life… Though it was quite thoughtful of you to clarify for others that I had, in fact, NOT been aware of this upcoming LLL release. Brilliant deduction Sherlock.
Personally I thought it was already quite apparent within my posts themselves, but hey, I understand. Sometimes Mama can’t fight the urge to feed them baby birds!
Guess we’ll find out in a few days!
You mean like Aliens, how there’s the Horner version and then the Cameron version?
Caps Lock…:angel:
Personally I thought it was already quite apparent within my posts themselves, but hey, I understand. Sometimes Mama can’t fight the urge to feed them baby birds!
I don’t know why you have to respond with such aggression. It surprised me that a gentleman on a film music discussion board, talking about "Hook" (one of his favourite scores) may have been aware of the news that said score will receive a full release in just a few days; given that this release has been spectacularly big news since it was announced more than a month ago. I intended a good-natured light mock; and you have interpreted it as an attack. As so many people on the internet are inclined to do; assume the worst, live on permanent defense alert, and respond with anger and sarcasm, where humility and friendship would be more appropriate.
Don’t be ungrateful FUCKS. If you’re gonna download this, then make sure you BUY LLL’s set because it WILL be more phenomenal than anything before it. The Liner notes alone will be a massive learning experience.
I for one think it’s UTTERLY disgraceful that someone would even THINK of posting this just mere DAYS before the set is up for sale.
That’s REALLY shitty.
Don’t be ungrateful FUCKS. If you’re gonna download this, then make sure you BUY LLL’s set because it WILL be more phenomenal than anything before it. The Liner notes alone will be a massive learning experience.
I for one think it’s UTTERLY disgraceful that someone would even THINK of posting this just mere DAYS before the set is up for sale.
That’s REALLY shitty.
You are presuming that anyone who downloads this will not purchase the new LLL release. I do not think this upload will affect the sales of the LLL release, as it IS different. And you are certainly welcome to your thoughts and opinion, but you could dispense with calling us "ungrateful f****", and could express yourself in a more civil manner. And that’s not too much to ask, is it?
Why would he? In two days he can order a meticulously mastered version arranged to the specifications of the Maestro himself and not waste his time downloading a fan-made MP3 edit that’s been circulating the web for years with a few of its tags changed.
What you perceive as "anger and sarcasm" was actually me returning the "good-natured light mocking". Seriously… But that’s ALSO the internet for you. Tone and inflection are usually lost in print without the proper emoticons and italicizations, etc… My apologies 🙂
EDIT:
I’ve downloaded it only so I can check to see if it’s truly the sessions as LLL should be made aware of someone leaking their sessions just TWO DAYS before the release of a much anticipated and EXPENSIVELY produced release. But this is nothing more than a fan edit. So it doesn’t really matter
EDIT:
I’ve downloaded it only so I can check to see if it’s truly the sessions as LLL should be made aware of someone leaking their sessions just TWO DAYS before the release of a much anticipated and EXPENSIVELY produced release. But this is nothing more than a fan edit. So it doesn’t really matter
It’s good to know you are in the habbit of informing record labels.
You’re not understanding what I said. I stated quite clearly that if you download it, you should STILL buy it. and yes, if this were the real deal, I think it could negatively impact their bottom line. Why else would the labels be so keen on pulling uploads from this site! And how pissed they get when things get leaked like the sessions to "Family Plot" as they’re working on producing the release.
It’s good to know you are in the habbit of informing record labels.
You assume I make a habit of that. I do not. But when it comes to something like this set… which you can tell LLL is hoping will have a great return and worked their asses off including postponing the project several times JUST to give us the best there was to offer… then you bet your ASS I’d let them know. They are doing us a massive and EXPENSIVE favour. Its called being grateful
And just so everyone knows
THIS IS NOT THE REAL DEAL
Its just a fan edit of the previously released material from the other boots, album, and DVD
So they are; and my apologies also. 🙂 That which sounds so good in your head, suddenly becomes smug arrogance when typed.
I’m not quite sure why posting this dodgy bootleg set has generated such controversy; I believe now is exactly the right time to remind people that Hook exists – and what better, and more timely, commercial for the upcoming release could one ask for?
Making available a poor quality edition of the score to awaken interest, just in time to stir up some enthusiasm, is going to have a positive impact on the way LLL’s set is received.
To immediately leap to the conclusion that somebody has stolen LLL’s master (somehow) and tried to deliberately sabotage their release by putting it out there a week early… simply beggars belief. The chances of that actually happening (probably not far from zero) against the chances that this is nothing more than a mislabeled bootleg… sometimes, the simplest explanation really is the truth. To post vindictive, foul-mouthed tirades without establishing the facts, to deny the benefit of the doubt, leaves me speechless. Particularly when it is coming from such a highly respected member of the film score community as GoodMusician.
This is indeed a boot – of variable and occasionally downright awful quality; nothing more, nothing less. Seven days from now every bootleg edition will be rendered completely and equally obsolete.
Nobody who is a potential buyer of LLL’s set will download this and say "Oh, fantastic – now I won’t buy the new edition, because I have this instead!" (Obviously, if somebody posted LLL’s set, I would be standing side by side with GoodMusician in anger and indignation. And yes, I would be trying to get it taken down – by any means necessary.)
But probably a fair few people will hear this, remember how great the score is, and as a result of this conversation discover that the LLL set is forthcoming – and place an immediate order.
Did anyone else here listen to the interview on the radio about this set and what they went through? They semi-complain about how certain gems that people begged and begged for STILL AREN’T SOLD OUT…and you get the impression that its because of people posting them on sites and sharing them.
I’m sorry if my anger upset people but read what I said for what it is… which so far no one has. You are all assuming I’m uspet that the person posted this. I posted what I said because the person made it sound like these were the pristine masters produced for the LLL set and leaked online days before the set was to be sold… but seeing as this is NOTHING more than what we’ve had, yes, it is a great reminder as to why we should buy this set because it’ll be BRILLIANT…
Since Hook is limited to 5000 I have no doubts it will sell out pretty quickly, but there probably are some people that would have thought twice about buying it if these had indeed been sessions leaked out.
You have probably not seen it but I spend a lot of time fighting against posts of such scores; folk do not realise (or, more painfully, do not care) that behind the scenes money is exchanging hands (ridiculous sums, often paid for out of the pockets of individuals who gain nothing financially from the release) and people are working themselves down to the bone, literally for years, to create a product. And then ten minutes later it’s on the internet. That is despicable and unforgivable.
Finally, please calm down; some people are on your side here (like me) and directing your wrath at this people also, helps nobody.
"If this is, indeed, clean sounding Recording sessions, then"
Not to mention I have been told such sessions exist (although I’ve not heard them) so I did fear it would only be a matter of time for them to end up here and such sessions have, in the past, leaked the day before a major release… I do understand your point though.
I posted what I did just in case it was that and since it was gonna take over an hour to download the file to check… and if they were the real deal then I didn’t want that time to pass without someone at least saying what needed to be said.
Come on, bishty… seriously. :rolleyes:
I will say though that I am very glad that this is being released (expanded, near-complete, whatever) by LLL, and I sincerely hope that they do well financially from this (I’m pretty sure they will).
And the money that these companies spend to give us what we want, to go on a veritable treasure hunt to find stuff… I think they deserve to get paid…
I hate to say it, but If I can’t afford something, I don’t buy it. If I can’t buy something, I don’t get it. I have no sense of entitlement towards something I can’t afford. If its hard to get, OOP, or what have you, I’m ok with downloading it…but If I can pay someone for the effort they put into doing ME a service, well…that’s just the right thing to do.
But if you can’t buy it because there is no product, if its unavailable because its out of print or hard to find in print or where you can get it, the costs are way more than they should be (ie: ebay or amazon 2nd gen sellers) then no…I’ll download.
But I have no sense of entitlement towards something I can’t afford but could easily buy.
By the way, I would never think of myself as "entitled" to something. But let’s face it, this is technically a downloading site, whether legal or not. There’s no getting around that. And I’m okay with that. Like babydoll, if something’s available online, then yeah, I’ll probably snag it. I don’t download every single thing on here, just the ones that interest me. But as I said, I would LOVE to buy Hook expanded. I really hope it’s around for a couple of weeks. But if it doesn’t last, yes I will snag it online when it shows up. (But I would never describe myself as "entitled".)
As for the score, it’s gorgeous. I pretty much wore out the CD back in college. My favorite tracks are "Remembering Childhood" and "You Are the Pan". (I’m also a sucker for "When You’re Alone". Don’t judge. lol)
I just want us all to be able to enjoy good music.
Did I DL this "Complete" ? Yes. As I DL’d every damn version of this score I find on the net. I guess i have a mild case of being a compulsive hoarder. Will I buy the LLL release ? Possibly, it’ll depend on my finances in the next 2 weeks. it will also depend of the price.
One big inconsistency in you reasonning, GM, is thinking that posting scores, unreleased sessions or complete DVDrips, or even Samples from composers website is "less illegal" or "morally acceptable". at least that’s how I understood it.
What we do IS illegal. no matter what is posted, why it is posted, unless the poster is also the creator/right holder, what’s posted on these part of the internet is illegal. FFshrine Download forums have always worked this way. LLL and Intrada never attacked the site nor contacted the admins, so I guess it means they don’t care (hell, their releases still sell very well, probably why intrada is slowly ditching the "limited" edition aspect), as they do no feel this is a danger to their business.
BUT, even I have my limits. when something is till available new, I go for it if I really want it. nothing compares to having the genuine CD in hands. I did so for the last starfighter, for "It", and will maybe do so for Hook. I don’t request stuff that just came out. If money’s tight, I just buy the digital DL from Amazon. Maybe when I’m able and the thing is worth it I start hunting for the CD. depends.
And heck…If I can’t buy the new release, I still have my trusty old Hook CD…better than nothing :rolleyes:
I KNOW.
I said that I was glad it WASN’T.
I said that I was glad it WASN’T.
No you didn’t 😀
I am just glad its a pre-release date leak of the LLL release.
See ? :rolleyes:
:angel:
The way I look at it, if the composer posted samples, then it’s legal (unless its the case of Troy by Gabriel Yared heh :-/) but if I make an edit based on DVD rip with the album, I’m producing a new product that cannot be purchased by a consumer at a store. I’m producing something for myself and chosing to share it with you all. I do not sell my edits, and in fact, I get rather pissed when I see them being sold on ebay. I pull them from there too!
But the edits we make and share are personal edits created to fill a void left by the companies. Legal or not, its something that’s not available to be sold or purchased and thus fills a niche. I garner no profit from my edits (when I could very well if I chose to).
Illegality of it not non-withstanding, If I want to make sure I don’t have to keep making edits (which in the case of Hook I’d been attempting to produce a viable complete score edit since about 2005 and couldn’t bear to release something with sub-par quality inherent in these old existing rips), then I try to support the companies that are releasing the gems that I desire most. Its just common sense.
Posting a fan edit is just as illegal as posting an official release.
See how fun this gets? :-p
You see, even watching a youtube video is illegal.
Not everything legal is good, and not everything illegal is bad.
Not everything legal is good, and not everything illegal is bad.
And the judgement is yours ?.
We only have so many left. LLL, FSM, Intrada, Varese… and we’re already losing one this year and FSM is downsizing considerably. It literally comes down to them. They can’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts. They have to make business decisions. And if it came to a bootleg of the LLL sessions getting posted on here or me buying the LLL set, I would, of course, chose to report the sessions to LLL, and buy their set instead.
I think it’s naive of anyone to think downloading them and never buying the set is a fine way to go about things.
And if SONY is any example, we can’t leave it up to the production companies to make these decisions.
But the edits we make and share are personal edits created to fill a void left by the companies. Legal or not, its something that’s not available to be sold or purchased and thus fills a niche. I garner no profit from my edits (when I could very well if I chose to).
Illegality of it not non-withstanding, If I want to make sure I don’t have to keep making edits (which in the case of Hook I’d been attempting to produce a viable complete score edit since about 2005 and couldn’t bear to release something with sub-par quality inherent in these old existing rips), then I try to support the companies that are releasing the gems that I desire most. Its just common sense.
I get your point for Samples. Heck, I regularly go on a loot tour on composers websites to get some tracks. As for DVDrips and customs edits, I get your point. they do indeed fill a niche. not that it would matter if the copyright holders took interest in you. As for when a real expanded score gets a release, yes, the company who releases it should be supported. But let’s face it: there will never be official complete/expanded releases for ALL scores.
Tbh the act of posting a bootleg doesn’t really comes to me as a threat to the LLL release. people who want to buy the release will buy it. people who wouldn’t have bought it, whether because they don’t have the means or because they are enraged "piracy is cool" supporters, won’t buy it anyway.
———- Post added at 05:50 PM ———- Previous post was at 05:44 PM ———-
We only have so many left. LLL, FSM, Intrada, Varese… and we’re already losing one this year and FSM is downsizing considerably.
I know FSM is stopping its releases, but have we lost another label ?
As for the second argument, I never understood the need to post an album that you spent money on here… lol… if I purchased a brand new CD for full price, why would I post it on here, unchanged, in full lossless format, without any additions or reservations, for free to others lol…. but that’s an argument for another day…
EDIT:
Perhaps I got that mixed up. I thoguht FSM was downsizing and that we were losing Varese but still… to lose FSM, a long time staple in our niche industry… that’s not good.
Speaking for myself: I’d do so simply because I want others to enjoy it. The day "Hook LLL" will be found/posted in FLAC will not be a bad day for the label… There are only so many copies being made of it… And even when someone does share a link: 1) It’s still up to the user to actually go and download. 2) The sharer isn’t actually stopping anyone from securing him~herself an actual copy of the release, if availability allows it.
This debate manages to make me laugh every time, geez.
I thought you meant Tadlow….
Think before you post something. You weren’t sure what’s inside, yet nothing stopped you from calling people "fucks" and the whole thing "shitty". Various right-managing organisations and lawyers already tried taking advantage of people who were innocent. Chill down, will ya?
Varese continue to release atrocious scores in poorly mastered releases, and plumb new depths in lazy, ill-mannered customer services. They used to have quite a reputation for new recordings and re-releases; now they’re all about releasing the latest Brian Tyler trash with hilariously over-wrought marketing dreck ("Tyler conducts his orchestral powerhouse score, unleashing the full power and glory of the mighty epic 100 piece Hollywood Studio Symphony Orchestra, in this tour-de-force of symphonic splendour… blah blah blah") with the occasional Spartacus only just barely keeping the pilot light of quality burning.
For everybody else, as far as I’m aware, it’s business as usual – releases are coming so thick and fast that the marketplace is saturated. It’s all going to stop sooner or later but only because anything worth releasing has been released. So many "holy grails" in the last three or four years that we never thought possible. What’s left? There’s nothing being written today that deserves releasing – so once the holy grails are all done (and they will be sooner rather than later) they’ll put out a few desperation releases that will sell badly, and they’ll leave the marketplace.
Varese continue to release atrocious scores in poorly mastered releases, and plumb new depths in lazy, ill-mannered customer services. They used to have quite a reputation for new recordings and re-releases; now they’re all about releasing the latest Brian Tyler trash with hilariously over-wrought marketing dreck ("Tyler conducts his orchestral powerhouse score, unleashing the full power and glory of the mighty epic 100 piece Hollywood Studio Symphony Orchestra, in this tour-de-force of symphonic splendour… blah blah blah") with the occasional Spartacus only just barely keeping the pilot light of quality burning.
For everybody else, as far as I’m aware, it’s business as usual – releases are coming so thick and fast that the marketplace is saturated. It’s all going to stop sooner or later but only because anything worth releasing has been released. So many "holy grails" in the last three or four years that we never thought possible. What’s left? There’s nothing being written today that deserves releasing – so once the holy grails are all done (and they will be sooner rather than later) they’ll put out a few desperation releases that will sell badly, and they’ll leave the marketplace.
While I don’t partage your opinion on Bryan Tyler (unless you speak of what he produces, and not what he could produce, but that is another subject), I do agree that the market is quite saturated, but, for most interesting release, shared between the two "big" names (Intrada and LLL), and a few smaller ones (like Perseverance). But there still are a lot of interesting scores to release. lots of scores by Williams, Goldsmith, Goldenthal, Horner still need a proper rerelease. Also, I still hope for scores of the eighties, full of synths but who shaped my childhood, to be released, and to prove that you can use synths and do a good job, unlike Zimmer or Bates try to prove us.
Yet, and in that respect you are right, sooner or later, there will be nothing of interest to release anymore. or will there ? most of these releases were "limited" editions. between 1.000 and 3.000 most of the time, sometimes 10.000. One day they’ll probably just start re-re-releasing their old limited editions, maybe in an unlimited form, maybe in digital form or whatever.
Please re-read what I said. I stated, very clearly that "If this is the RS session, then" … if not, then logically speaking, my argument had no bearing. But the person who posted it said it was. And seeing as he posted it on a site that would take me over an hour to download, I didn’t want to wait and say nothing if it was indeed the sessions which I’ve heard are out there. This same thing happened to other labels before and Hook doesn’t deserve that fate especially since it’s already being harmed by the fact that many masters were missing and they had to resort to the Music Only stems from the film for some of the cues.
But I’m not really certain I have more to say on it past that. An hour to wait is an eternity for online downloads. By that point, if it were real, the link would be re-posted a thousand times and anyone who wanted it would have it, which YES, would hurt the LLL sales (which I have no DOUBT it would have) so I said what I said in hopes to at least give people some prism with which to look at the sessions (if they had been them). I said what I said and even pretext it. If people can’t handle that then…well…I’m not really sorry for that so lol
It’s because us shit shooters are all insane. so we don’t get angry. we just go more insane 😀 Granted, i haven’t been a part of this esteemed group known as the STS/Thread-wrecking crew, but I don’t see as much argument up there. probably because it is a small sub-community, and because we are more or less like minded.
We are the Borg of FFshrine.
Resistance is futile. :rolleyes:
So when I say that one is a "cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit" IF those are the recording sessions, then it’s O.K.?
An hour to wait is an eternity for online downloads. By that point, if it were real, the link would be re-posted a thousand times and anyone who wanted it would have it, which YES, would hurt the LLL sales (which I have no DOUBT it would have)
The topic existed for more than 19 hours when you submitted your first post, so have you reported somewhere you have any suspicions? After all an hour to wait is an eternity for on-line downloads…
so cues like:
Neverfeast Insert
Pick Em, Up (not too important)
Flight to Neverland (OST version)
will not be on this release
also alot of cues are from the film stems, meaning the will retain the film edits (I think) and dialed out bits will not be included.
and two bits that are on the OST will not be included
1 Prologue 1:30
2 We Don’t Wanna Grow Up + 1:50
3 Banning Back Home 2:25
4 Granny Wendy 2:57
5 The Bedroom* 1:07
6 The Nursery* 1:38
7 The Watch* :56
8 Hook-Napped 3:56
9 A Portrait Of Wendy* 1:06
10 The Arrival Of Tink/The Flight To Neverland** 6:03
11 Presenting The Hook 3:01
12 Pirates!* 2:41
13 Hook Challenges PeterH 7:50
14 From Mermaids To Lost Boys** 5:13
15 The Lost Boy Chase 3:32
16 Smee’s Plan** 3:25
17 Pan Is Challenged* 1:20
18 Hook’s Lesson* 3:08
19 The Banquet 3:10
20 The Never-Feast 4:41
21 Hook’s Madness* 4:00
22 Follow That Shadow* 2:38
DISC 1 TIME: 68:18
DISC 2
1 Remembering Childhood 11:04
2 You Are The Pan** 4:03
3 When You’re Alone+ 3:16
4 Tink Grows Up* 2:20
5 The Ultimate War: To War** 9:45
6 The Ultimate War: The Death Of Rufio* 2:36
7 The Ultimate War: Sword Fight* 5:32
8 Farewell Neverland** 11:15
9 End Credits** 6:08
Bonus Tracks:
10 Prologue (alternate)* 1:35
11 Banning Back Home (film version)* 3:14
12 Presenting The Hook (film version–extended)** 4:03
13 Hook’s Blues* 2:17
14 Wendy Tells Peter The Truth (partly unused)* 2:24
15 Exit Music (unused) * 1:42
DISC 2 TIME: 72:17
TOTAL ALBUM TIME: 140:35
+Lyrics by Leslie Bricusse
* Previously unreleased
** Contains previously unreleased material
I really try to respect every opinion. I remember a few situations when people had second thoughts about posting something and I really understand their thinking. Everyone here understands the nature of (at least this part of) ffshrine, so when I find things like "I’ll report it just in case" just weird.
He already stated that since these were not leaked LL material, he had no issues with it being here, so why would he report it?
I simply don’t understand what he wanted to achieve. If he really thought it was necessary to report it right away (and at the time he didn’t know what’s inside) he would have done so immediately. I think it was just talking for the sake of talking.
1 Prologue 1:30
2 We Don’t Wanna Grow Up + 1:50
3 Banning Back Home 2:25
4 Granny Wendy 2:57
5 The Bedroom* 1:07
6 The Nursery* 1:38
7 The Watch* :56
8 Hook-Napped 3:56
9 A Portrait Of Wendy* 1:06
10 The Arrival Of Tink/The Flight To Neverland** 6:03
11 Presenting The Hook 3:01
12 Pirates!* 2:41
13 Hook Challenges PeterH 7:50
14 From Mermaids To Lost Boys** 5:13
15 The Lost Boy Chase 3:32
16 Smee’s Plan** 3:25
17 Pan Is Challenged* 1:20
18 Hook’s Lesson* 3:08
19 The Banquet 3:10
20 The Never-Feast 4:41
21 Hook’s Madness* 4:00
22 Follow That Shadow* 2:38
DISC 1 TIME: 68:18
DISC 2
1 Remembering Childhood 11:04
2 You Are The Pan** 4:03
3 When You’re Alone+ 3:16
4 Tink Grows Up* 2:20
5 The Ultimate War: To War** 9:45
6 The Ultimate War: The Death Of Rufio* 2:36
7 The Ultimate War: Sword Fight* 5:32
8 Farewell Neverland** 11:15
9 End Credits** 6:08
Bonus Tracks:
10 Prologue (alternate)* 1:35
11 Banning Back Home (film version)* 3:14
12 Presenting The Hook (film version–extended)** 4:03
13 Hook’s Blues* 2:17
14 Wendy Tells Peter The Truth (partly unused)* 2:24
15 Exit Music (unused) * 1:42
DISC 2 TIME: 72:17
TOTAL ALBUM TIME: 140:35
+Lyrics by Leslie Bricusse
* Previously unreleased
** Contains previously unreleased material
fantastic, glad i secured my copy on ebay now!!! i will upload as soon as i recieve it……unless someone beats me to it that is lol
Why on eBay? Why not directly from LaLaLand, to support one of the best soundtrack labels of our generation?
Good to know. BTW, is it normal if I can’t find a single thing about the score on their site (http://www.lalalandrecords.com/)
Yes, that’s normal. You won’t see it on LaLaLand until they list it at the specified time.
Yes , La La Land wont put anything on the site untill the time so you kinda have to watch 🙂
1. Prologue (1:33)
2. Banning Back Home (2:25)
3. Granny Wendy (2:07)
4. The Nursery (1:08)
5. Wendy Tells Bedroom Stories (1:34)
6. The Watch (0:56)
7. The Dog Barks Hook (2:00)
8. Hook-Napped (3:59)
9. The Police Leave (0:57)
10. Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (Original unused version) (2:22)
11. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (5:58)
12. Presenting the Hook (Extended version) (3:46)
13. Pirates! (2:41)
14. Peter Fails Hook’s Test (7:40)
15. Mermaids (1:16)
16. Home of the Lost Boys (Film version) (4:04)
17. The Lost Boy Chase (3:30)
18. You Are Peter (2:43) (edited/tracked in the film from You are the Pan?)
19. Hook’s Blues (2:16)
20. Smee’s Plan (1:46)
21. Pan Is Challenged (1:18)
22. Hook Gives the Children Lessons (3:06)
23. The Banquet (3:22)
24. The Never-Feast (Extended version) (6:13)
25. Hook’s Madness (3:57)
DISC 2
1. Remembering Childhood / You Are the Pan (Unused version) (14:35)
2. Tinkerbell Big / Final Battle (9:57)
3. Death of the Lost Boy (2:24)
4. Return Home and Finale / End Credits (16:06)
5. Exit Music (Unused) (1:41)
6. Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (Film version) (2:21)
7. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (Alternate I) (5:21)
8. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (Alternate II) (5:29)
9. The Never-Feast (Alternate version) (6:05)
10. The Never-Feast (Film version) / When You’re Alone (8:08)
Granny Wendy is longer on the original OST.
Please do not share La La land releases here.
In this thread, or in general? Seriously – you’re kidding, right? This is a sharing site, plain and simple.
Edit: Nevermind. Just checked this guy’s posts. Fucking troll. Get lost Gwent.
no 5,000 unit LLL has sold out very fast, except STV.
And I expect it won’t take long.
Besides, let’s say the mods said no more LLL releases unless sold out (which I hope they don’t). Then you’d have everybody and their grandmother asking for the new release over and over again, the noobies would be ridiculed for even asking, then the score will still show up (eventually) on some other site, regardless of our supposed morals. I just don’t see it working.
I doubt whether these conversations go on elsewhere. I’m not sure why they do here. I think our little corner of the music business is perhaps unique; the often-quoted piracy justification "they’re all big businesses, they won’t miss / don’t deserve the money" is simply not the case here. Nobody ever got rich selling film scores; FSM, Intrada, LLL, and all the rest of them aren’t in the business for fun – they’re doing it for love and frequently wish for nothing more than recouping their investment. Sometimes the investment can be quite high – licensing fees, transfer and restoration, weeks months years of negotiation, manufacturing, distribution – clearly it’s not a simple case of "a CD only costs 10p to make; the rest is going straight into greedy businessmen’s pockets!"
I personally don’t believe piracy has a great deal of negative impact (if any at all; probably a positive impact overall) on the sales of any soundtrack release. Even with piracy in full swing, soundtrack releases sell well – "sure fire" titles sell out almost overnight (Ben-Hur, Superman Box, etc, etc) and with a few exceptions, labels are pretty good at guessing the sort of sales they’re likely to get on a given title.
That said, I simply cannot find any moral justification for depriving these people of even one sale – directly or indirectly. They’re just average Joes who love film scores and work hard to bring them to the world. They’re not massive conglomerates with money to burn. They’re not fascist international copyright cartels who turn up at your house with machine guns, threaten your family, take your money, and throw you in prison before presenting even one shred of evidence against you. They’re just people trying to survive; and trying to keep the world of recorded film music alive. It’s hardly a buoyant industry. Anybody with any business sense left it years ago. The people who remain are doing it for the same reason that volunteers keep vintage steam trains running; to preserve something that’s worth preserving – and hopefully balance the books in the process.
I have no wish to come across as the white knight annoying troll who is being paid off by record labels, so I’ll leave it there. Perhaps I can’t do anything about these injustices, but I can at least write a few words that might help sway one or two people in the right direction. 🙂
Tango, I give a week at best until this is sold out. maybe two. I’ve seen releases go OOP in less than a night in some cases. if you take into account shipping, etc, etc, it’ll take 2/3 days at least until the first people get the CD. afterward, it’s their problem. Generally speaking, I think recent release shouldn’t be posted right out of the box. but then it’s just my opinion. on another hand, I’m happy to be able to listen at a copy before getting my CD. Maybe the "Do your thing via PM" should be enforced for recent releases by labels such as Intrada, Prometheus, Lalaland, Perseverance.
I don’t really know. it would be a hell of lot to accept for some. but I get your point. Maybe not until they’re sold out, but, say, one month after the release. It’s not THAT hard to wait for one month. problem isn’t what people desire. problem is that people aren’t patient. they want it, and they want it NOW. That’s the problem. because even if such a policy was enforced, they’d just clutter the Film score hunt thread or the request forums with request for recent releases. and what releases to temporarily ban ? only the limited editions, or the general stuff, released at the same time as the movie ? for how long ?
Ordering is open? YES! 😀
I haven’t got a pot to piss in until June but I just had to with this one…
Truth being told, they shall ALL be respected, but as you already said that’s not going to happen. Why reserve special treatment to a label when you should give the very same treatment to the rest, too?
EDIT:
This is slightly unrelated to the topic, but I don’t get why the staff is still allowing the posting of forbidden labels… You may not post a link openly in the message, but everyone know what is going to happen. If I was working for one of those labels I would unleash hell on this place. They still go and create threads about them, you really want to fuck up the shrine.
RE: Forbidden music via PM, Leon is right. It’s mind boggling, and a bit scary. This site is popular enough that if you type a score name in Google and a file format, FLAC let’s say, the thread here will either be near the top or actually be the number one result. It’s a very dangerous game.
Because I live in the uk and postage is rediculous from LLL. I have never purchased directly from LLL because I always pay at least �10 more sometimes. They are getting the support!!! I’m buying from a seller that will be getting it from LLL, so it is the same. Cannot win with some people! One minute members are moaning about downloading scores and not supporting the composer (who already has been paid for his work) and the next minute we are not supporting the label becuase we haven’t got it directly from them. I don’t know !!! Lol
I’ve ordered two copies… one for me, one for sharing… the offline way.
That and the front page of the site doesn’t advertise it. Had to go through the catalog to find it :). But it’s ordered and "pending review" as they say.
And nobody is moaning about downloading not supporting the composer; they have indeed already been paid. It’s the labels who need paying as they themselves had to pay in order to release the thing in the first place.
I’m at a loss to understand how somebody on eBay can buy the score off LLL, and sell it to you for less than you would pay buying it from LLL directly – unless something dodgy is going on.
And this "PM me for the score" is a load of crap. Of course they can’t monitor or control PM, but they *can* prohibit these threads from turning up brazenly on the board. Allowing them is simply sticking two fingers up at Varese or FSM or whomever – it is saying "We’re still sharing your scores so FUCK YOU!" – no wonder they’re still pissed off.
And nobody is moaning about downloading not supporting the composer; they have indeed already been paid. It’s the labels who need paying as they themselves had to pay in order to release the thing in the first place.
I’m at a loss to understand how somebody on eBay can buy the score off LLL, and sell it to you for less than you would pay buying it from LLL directly – unless something dodgy is going on.
And this "PM me for the score" is a load of crap. Of course they can’t monitor or control PM, but they *can* prohibit these threads from turning up brazenly on the board. Allowing them is simply sticking two fingers up at Varese or FSM or whomever – it is saying "We’re still sharing your scores so FUCK YOU!" – no wonder they’re still pissed off.
It may be a load of crap, but it still massively reduces the pool of people able to DL the score. 511.000 members (more or less) on the forum, 25.000 active (more or less again), and I’m not even sure how many actively PM people like WildwoodPark.
I’m willing to agree to a ban of recent releases, or even if necessary to still available limited releases. but OOP stuff ? I’m not willing to pay 299 effin’ dollars for a CD, which is the current listed price for a used CD of the "Josey Wales" score at FSM. If only because buying used CDs doesn’t bring anything to the composer, nor the publisher.
unless the publisher is part of the speculative process, which is the case for FSM.
I’m at a loss to understand how somebody on eBay can buy the score off LLL, and sell it to you for less than you would pay buying it from LLL directly – unless something dodgy is going on.
i got it for �23 inc delivery. i buy LLL releases off this seller all the time. i just prefer to buy from u.k sellers for a piece of mind.
I’d happily pay the additional 79p; what more peace of mind can you get than buying directly from the seller? I suppose if you trust the eBay guy then it’s OK.
What matters is you got it. 🙂
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shipped already 🙂
Git. 😉
That was a mistake, my friend. There you will find only hypocrisy and suffering, as apparently foolishly handing one’s hard-earned money to a bootlegger is more honorable in this, the Internet Age.
I totally agree with your point, however. Practically every music purchase I’ve made in the past 5 years has been due to what I’ve downloaded and sampled first, here and elsewhere. Something great earns my money, something mediocre I may keep on my hard disk in the off-chance that one day it may catch my fancy, and something shit is deleted and forgotten. I would likely not even be aware of many of the film specialty labels (LLL included) were it not for the Shrine. I think filesharing is a wonderful reality of our day and those who have the most to fear are those who produce the worst product.
Yet it would be naive in the extreme to believe that most here do buy what they have downloaded. Nor will that change. It is human nature. But it is still worthwhile to encourage people to do the right thing and support the content producers when it is warranted, as I assume will be the case with Hook.
I also find the "it’s all illegal, who cares" argument disturbing and intellectually lazy; obviously it’s illegal but if there were no shades of morality then every crime would demand the same sentence, which would be utter nonsense. I’m obviously no saint myself, but if I feel something is extraordinary enough to deserve the respect of being paid for, I will express that view. Life is a matter of degrees. 🙂
FYI, yesterday it was estimated that there were only 1300 copies remaining for purchase from 5000. Soon Hook will sell out, LLL will continue to be able to release great albums, and the cycle will continue. All is well.
To be perfectly honest, I’m seriously amazed they didn’t ban you right then and there just for bringing it up. I got banned long ago over there just for using the word bootleg. Apparently they firmly like to believe that if you don’t say the word, it won’t exist. So deluded. lol
Oh I suspect that there was those that did not "approve" of my question, but I was truthfully polite, and not trying to stir anything up. I really meant what I said about getting a number of soundtracks new, because of after hearing the download, I fell in love with the scores, like LLL Theater Of Blood, Dunwich Horror (also LLL), etc., being just a couple. But there was what I could say a general hostility to the mere IDEA of downloading. And I recall Lukas Kendall’s melodramatic conniption regarding the Ron Jones Star Trek set. Kendall was misplacing his frustration I felt on file-sharing blogs, when in fact he did not have a viable seller in the Jones ST set. Unlike the Superman Blue Box, shared enough around, it sold just fine, in a SECOND printing now, and probable WAS I’m sure helped by soundtrack enthusiasts on blogs like here.
After all, the soundtrack collecting market is quite a niche market, is it not? And many of us undoubtedly buy soundtracks, as budget permits. I like the FSM blog, but so often there’s a ready fight breaking out, as someone has said the "wrong" thing about a particular specialty release, the composer, the merit or not of the score, etc. I do not have the time to post regularly on FSM, but I try to just enjoy reading and perhaps offering a comment or question as I find it all quite interesting. I have been collecting and listening to film scores for about a good 35 years, with no indication of it being bored with it!
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…and I’ll quick add that I asked on the FSM blog if "downloading is BAD", then unquestionably it would be hypocrisy to condemn it while allowing oneself to sample the buffet as it were! Again, there was no response from any of the FSM crowd, either taking this issue to task, nor admitting the likelihood that there are those who DO download, while not being honest to admit it. At least not on FSM! 🙂
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Sorry Double Post…
Thanks
This is the Concorde bootleg, it seems like the tracks in red aren’t on LLL’s edition or are different versions?
1. Prologue (1:33)
2. Banning Back Home (2:25)
3. Granny Wendy (2:07)
4. The Nursery (1:08)
5. Wendy Tells Bedroom Stories (1:34)
6. The Watch (0:56)
7. The Dog Barks Hook (2:00)
8. Hook-Napped (3:59)
9. The Police Leave (0:57)
10. Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (Original unused version) (2:22)
11. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (5:58)
12. Presenting the Hook (Extended version) (3:46)
13. Pirates! (2:41)
14. Peter Fails Hook’s Test (7:40)
15. Mermaids (1:16)
16. Home of the Lost Boys (Film version) (4:04)
17. The Lost Boy Chase (3:30)
18. You Are Peter (2:43) (edited/tracked in the film from You are the Pan?)
19. Hook’s Blues (2:16)
20. Smee’s Plan (1:46)
21. Pan Is Challenged (1:18)
22. Hook Gives the Children Lessons (3:06)
23. The Banquet (3:22)
24. The Never-Feast (Extended version) (6:13)
25. Hook’s Madness (3:57)
DISC 2
1. Remembering Childhood / You Are the Pan (Unused version) (14:35)
2. Tinkerbell Big / Final Battle (9:57)
3. Death of the Lost Boy (2:24)
4. Return Home and Finale / End Credits (16:06)
5. Exit Music (Unused) (1:41)
6. Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (Film version) (2:21)
7. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (Alternate I) (5:21)
8. Tinkerbell Arrives / Flight to Neverland (Alternate II) (5:29)
9. The Never-Feast (Alternate version) (6:05)
10. The Never-Feast (Film version) / When You’re Alone (8:08)
Granny Wendy is longer on the original OST.
After all, the soundtrack collecting market is quite a niche market, is it not? And many of us undoubtedly buy soundtracks, as budget permits. I like the FSM blog, but so often there’s a ready fight breaking out, as someone has said the "wrong" thing about a particular specialty release, the composer, the merit or not of the score, etc. I do not have the time to post regularly on FSM, but I try to just enjoy reading and perhaps offering a comment or question as I find it all quite interesting. I have been collecting and listening to film scores for about a good 35 years, with no indication of it being bored with it!
The funniest ( or saddest; depends) thing I remember reading on the FSM board were members saying they had smashed/burned/destroyed their "Slipstream" CD released by perseverance records because there had been a fuck up in the rights acquisition. These idiots were really ready to destroy a CD full of Bernstein’s music.
Bunch of lunatics they are…
Not a single discussion of note has taken place on that board for probably approaching ten years or more; it is nothing more than a playpen for pontificating children and a free 24-hour advertising channel for releases from labels who are run by people who are friends with Lukas Kendall.
FSM have released some fantastic albums over the years, but I will not miss their attitude. Whatever they would have released will now be released by LLL or Intrada; they’ve always been in league with each other anyway, as proven by the "sharing out" of the Star Trek re-releases, and Kendall’s name turning up on non FSM releases. It’s no great loss to the community. Kendall is a fine producer and a hard worker; but he is an atrocious businessman and a dishonourable human being.
I only hope that the demise of the board happens quickly after the demise of the label.
Thanks
Only the film insert of Neverfeast, Arrivale of Tink Album Version, Face of Pan without choir from the OST, and part of We Don’t Wanna Grow Up and other source cues.
are you able to take any of the unreleased music from the bluray sfx free
And I mean You Are The Pan of course
Not a single discussion of note has taken place on that board for probably approaching ten years or more; it is nothing more than a playpen for pontificating children and a free 24-hour advertising channel for releases from labels who are run by people who are friends with Lukas Kendall.
FSM have released some fantastic albums over the years, but I will not miss their attitude. Whatever they would have released will now be released by LLL or Intrada; they’ve always been in league with each other anyway, as proven by the "sharing out" of the Star Trek re-releases, and Kendall’s name turning up on non FSM releases. It’s no great loss to the community. Kendall is a fine producer and a hard worker; but he is an atrocious businessman and a dishonourable human being.
I only hope that the demise of the board happens quickly after the demise of the label.
I agree with much of what you say Tango. Out of the multitude of those on the FSM blog, really most I feel are mindful of civility and can disagree respectfully. It only takes a few of those I think are "camped out" –and it would seem that they are on it 24-7–on the site that are ornery and cross so frequently. Really a pity. Most soundtrack collectors are a good lot, whether one downloads or not. That IS part of their passion. I am grateful for the composers who have created many fine scores.
So I’ll occasionally have a look at the blog discussion threads, often for info on releases, or some interesting news. I can much better enjoy a forum when people are respectful. Enthusiasm (and even passion) for film scores ought not to come to nasty exchanges. At least some have a sense of humor about the arguing, when somebody posted a photo of two ladies trying to rip out each others hair! 🙂 There’s more guys collecting scores, but glad that the ladies like them too.
And I mean You Are The Pan of course
its on the La La Land edition 🙂
Only the film insert of Neverfeast, Arrivale of Tink Album Version, Face of Pan without choir from the OST, and part of We Don’t Wanna Grow Up and other source cues.
Would be great to hear it since hearing rumors its may be sold out?
Cheers
So do yourself and everyone a favor, support La-La Land and buy a copy the next time it’s back in stock.
It’s not sold out yet. Only the first pressing is sold out. The other half of the pressing will be at La-La Land in about two weeks, maybe less. The only thing the original poster in this thread posted is a fan made boot that’s been around for years, nothing worth having here that won’t be on La-La Land’s set.
So do yourself and everyone a favor, support La-La Land and buy a copy the next time it’s back in stock.
So do yourself and everyone a favor, support La-La Land and buy a copy the next time it’s back in stock.
Meh, I don’t entirely think that attitude is necessary in this case. I did myself purchase a copy, but, to be honest, I don’t think it will matter if it gets posted here. It’s still gonna sell out shortly, regardless of whether or not it is posted.
And you’re telling us this without a link because….?
Well..forgive my ‘rudeness.’ The question stands. Don’t see how ‘personal projects’ prevent one from hitting the copy and paste button. My question had nothing to do with anyone’s generosity or filling a request. She said it was up somewhere..in the land of nod perhaps and I think it borders on trolling to toss that out there and not follow up or..ahem…back it up. Like I said… copy and paste?
you do know that taking links from a forum, blog or website and posting it on a forum is generally considered "rude", do you ? As Amanda says, once various private blogs or forums will have obtained a copy, it’s but a mere matter of time. If Amanda doesn’t wishes to post a link or anything, she won’t. and it’s her right.
doesn’t anybody around here (save for Cletus, it seems) remember the damn concept of patience ?
Anyway, Beggars can’t be choosers, so as long as no one uploads a copy around here, which seems won’t happen till the thing get sold out (matter of weeks, i’d say), you’ll have to wait.
How unfair. I’m crying. really.
Yeah, of course, again… my previous message wasn’t meant to be an attack to you, nor did it imply that you weren’t fulfilling requests whenever possible… I merely wanted to share my point of view on ‘that’ stuff… situation. And, I can’t answer you privately, so I’ll do it here: I appreciate the gesture, sincerely, but I’m not downloading it, waiting for my copy to show up in the mail.
Nothing wrong. If you did not load the file yourself, file serve will not let you access it, as they have disabled the file sharing functions of the site. Several hosts have done so, while others block U.S. users.
hi, give me time tu re-upload this in another server. Thanks
hi yes i re-upload the score in a different server
go here: http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/film-score-thread-114237/6.html#post2056322
and you will find it
I’m interested in Hook Complete 3 cd’ s Edition.
Could you send me a link please ?
Goodbye
Not THIS thread again, lol
Could you send me a link please ? thanks
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