The X vs. X-2 Rumble

(http://img696.imageshack.us/i/13182601.jpg/) VS. (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/11440795.jpg/)

Hello everyone and welcome to my very first Rumble1

As you may have deduced from the title and little pictures, this Rumble is a one-on-one free-for-all between an original and a sequel. The battles will be exclusively FFX vx. FFX-2 in a variety of categories.

But to keep it simple, here is my MO.

1. We will all agree upon a Category to be used. (Songs, CharacterS, Bosses, etc..)
2. Once a Category has been agreed upon, I’ll accept all nominations that fit that category.
Remember this is a special one-on-one Rumble. So we must get an equal number of nominees for both X and X-2.
Example: If the Rumble is Best Bosses, we must have 10 bosses from X and 10 bosses for X-2.
3. The Round system doesn’t seem to work here as far as I can see. The problem is we’re not trying to find the best boss ever but which game has the best number of bosses. So say X-2 wins only 3 matches. There’s no way to progress to another round like that.

So what we’ll do is have one grand round for each category. After all battles are decided, the game with the most nominations remaining is the winner.
4. We repeat this for each possible category until we have an ultimate winner which is of course decided by the number of mini-Rumbles won.

In the end, there can be only one…

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BOSSES
Rules:
1. Different forms of enemies count as separate bosses. For instance, Seymour Natus and Seymour Omnis are not the same. Please specify the form of the character/thing you’re nominating should they have multiple forms.
2. Monster Arena creations do not count as bosses and thus are not allowed.

Final Fantasy X
Chocobo Eater
Evrae
Seymour Flux
Braska’s Final Aeon
Seymour Omnis
Yunalesca
Spectral Keeper
Biran & Yanke
Seymour (normal) and Anima

Final Fantasy X-2
Leblanc, Ormi and Logos (group)
Baralai
Zalamander
Lucil
Angra Mainyu
Jumbo Cactuar
Dark Yojimbo
Dark Magus Sisters
Nooj

Did Agent or someone approve this? I think that’s supposed to happen…

But anyway sounds interesting.

Yep. PM’ed Agent first thing to make sure it was allowed. Then made the topic once he PM’ed me back.

Yep. PM’ed Agent first thing to make sure it was allowed. Then made the topic once he PM’ed me back.

Cool, so what should we start with? I say either music or bosses.

I like the idea of bosses… especially since a lot of the bosses are the same sprite, but renamed and relocated and utilized differently.

I agree bosses are a good idea.

Bosses work for me.

Cool. Bosses it is then. (has little patience and wants to start)

So can we manage a 30-boss rumble? Fifteen for each side?
Shoudl be that many in either game at least.

Also, feel free to start nominating.

30? Unless you have something planned, doesn’t that make things a bit difficult to sort out later on? Why not 32?

Also, what are the qualifications? I assume that arena monsters don’t count as "bosses"? Also, do you want to allow the various forms of Seymour and X-2’s final bosses, or would you prefer to leave those out?

30? Unless you have something planned, doesn’t that make things a bit difficult to sort out later on? Why not 32?

Why would 32 make things any easier?

Also, what are the qualifications? I assume that arena monsters don’t count as "bosses"?

YoU mean like Nemesis, etc.? No they do not count.

Also, do you want to allow the various forms of Seymour and X-2’s final bosses, or would you prefer to leave those out?

Count them both as separate I’d say.

I mean, I love fighting regular Seymour and hate fighting Seymour Natus.

Suppose I should put all these rules in the OP.

Why would 32 make things any easier?

After the first round of thirty you’ll get fifteen, so in the second round you’ll have seven battles and an odd man out. Thirty-two is divisible by two all the way down to one, making it much better for a rumble as you’ll never have an odd number in a round of battles.

Except The Anti-Existence isn’t using the normal round system, which is somehing that I missed before. So maybe 30 would work better for him. Anyway, I’ll stop by again and post some nominations when I have a moment.

3. The Round system doesn’t seem to work here as far as I can see. So what we’ll do is have one grand round for each category. After all battles are decided, the game with the most nominations remaining is the winner.
4. We repeat this for each possible category until we have an ultimate winner which is of course decided by the number of mini-Rumbles won.

Why wouldn’t the round system work? Or, more importantly, are you going to have one massive round for a whole category? That would require a large number of posters voting.

Maybe I don’t understand what you’re setting up, but from what I took from that post is that it won’t work.

You mean like Nemesis, etc.? No they do not count.

Damn. Arena monsters were much cooler than storyline bosses. ‘Tis a shame.

Why wouldn’t the round system work? Or, more importantly, are you going to have one massive round for a whole category? That would require a large number of posters voting.

Maybe I don’t understand what you’re setting up, but from what I took from that post is that it won’t work.

There’s only one round. 15 battles. Whichever of the two (FFX or FFX-2) has more winners will win. So we’re not voting for the coolest boss overall. We’re voting for who has the coolest bosses. The closest the voting can result in is one game having 8 winners and the other having 7, and so the game with 8 will win. Does that make more sense?

^Aye, that does explain it. From what I read in the OP it looked more like we were ranking 30 bosses, which would’ve been horrible.

But this idea of seeing which game wins the categories is great. 😀

(I was considering each battle a round) /doh

Yeah sorry for all the confusion guys. Should have been more clear.

Damn. Arena monsters were much cooler than storyline bosses. ‘Tis a shame.

Well it kinda does give X a ridiculous edge.

I liked a lot of the Arena bosses too though.

Can’t the rumble be over early, if, say, X wins eight battles before it’s over?

Yeah…that is a problem. But I don’t see any way around it. It’s just like any other tournament. Sure Team 1 could win the first four games out of seven but there’s alsoa cahnce for Team 2 to win 3 games and force a Game 7.

The only way i can see to potentially get around the problem of halting the tournament early on is if I changed the Ultimate Winner to being the one with the most wins period.
For instance, instead of FFX winning the whole thing because it won the Songs, Bosses and whatever Categories, it could only win by having a higher total number of victories from each category.

Not sure if I’m explaining that well.
Quick example:
Bosses Rumble: FFX wins 8 and X-2 wins 7.
Music Rumble: FFX wins 5 and X-2 wins 10.
X-2 would win the whole thing because though it lost for the first Rumble, it ultimately had more votes than X.

Would that work?

It could help to compare bosses in storyline/game progression. As in, not having Yunalesca vs Imposter Yuna. That could help the ‘battles’ be more even, and hopefully lead closer to a full 15 battle rumble.

But, I think you do have to call the winner if they win a majority. If X wins the first 8 boss rumbles (probably not going to happen) then they win that category, simple as that. If you go through with your idea of total winner, then categories aren’t needed, and it turns into an unfair system imo.

I also suggest counting votes when people remark that they’ve played both parts of both games. It shouldn’t count if someone votes for X’s Final Boss, solely because they never even played X-2’s Final Boss.

(imo)

It could help to compare bosses in storyline/game progression. As in, not having Yunalesca vs Imposter Yuna. That could help the ‘battles’ be more even, and hopefully lead closer to a full 15 battle rumble.

That makes sense and actually goes with what I was already kinda planning.

If you go through with your idea of total winner, then categories aren’t needed, and it turns into an unfair system imo.

Categories are still needed because we’re separating what’s being compared. No categories just means different things are mished and mashed; Braska’s Final Aeon vs.Rikku’s Theme or whatever.

I also suggest counting votes when people remark that they’ve played both parts of both games. It shouldn’t count if someone votes for X’s Final Boss, solely because they never even played X-2’s Final Boss.

Well that’s a problem you have in any rumble. It’s why I abstain from matches in the eneral Rumble that feature games I haven’t played.

I can request people have played both games but I can’t bar them from voting or not count their vote. Least I don’t think i can.

Well there’s no real way to tell if someone has played both games or not, but if you see some newly joined person with one post coming in an going ‘omg seymour was the best boss ever’ I don’t that that should be counted. But with the number of regular posters that I think will like this rumble, I think it’ll be fine.

Bumpage.

From Final Fantasy X:

Chocobo Eater (If allowed– you don’t have to beat it, but the boss music is used.)
Crawler
Evrae
Seymour Flux
Braska’s Final Aeon
Seymour Omnis

Final Fantasy X-2:

Leblanc, Ormi and Logos (group)
Baralai
Zalamander

Regarding X-2, there are a lot of bosses that you don’t technically have to clear in order to beat the game, but are required to earn an Episode Complete for a section, etc. Are those allowed?

Regarding X-2, there are a lot of bosses that you don’t technically have to clear in order to beat the game, but are required to earn an Episode Complete for a section, etc. Are those allowed?

Mean like Luicil, Garik, etc..? Yes they’re allowed.
Though, all the bosses in the Via Infinito are optional I think and don’t add to Story completion. Except Kinoc.

Okay, then…

Lucil
Angra Mainyu
Jumbo Cactuar

And I’d might nominate more except that I want to give others a chance, though it’s beginning to look like it’s very possible that nobody else is going to. You wanted ten each for X and X-2, right?

10 or 15. If it looks like there’ll be little participation then 10 is probably best.

I’ll participate, I just haven’t gotten too far into X-2 to recommend bosses, but I will study up on bosses I haven’t beaten before I vote.

Okay. If you need quick access to info, this here could be one way– http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Final_Fantasy_X-2_Bosses

The strategy guide works for me 😉

I almost never trust wikipedia (of the FF version of it) for anything.

Bump.
Not gonna give up on this.
Not yet anyway.

We got six bosses thus far for both sides. I added Yunalesca to FFX so now we just need at least 4 more for both.

I’ll participate, I just haven’t gotten too far into X-2 to recommend bosses, but I will study up on bosses I haven’t beaten before I vote.

Same here.

The strategy guide works for me 😉

I almost never trust wikipedia (of the FF version of it) for anything.

FFWiki is actually far more reliable than most of the error-filled Brady guides.

Good for ffwiki, I still prefer to use a guide/gamefaqs if I use any source at all. The only game so far that really needed a guide would be XII imo, but with the guides (mostly gamefaqs) I didn’t feel the need to rely on a site like ffwiki. A lot of people seem to like it, but it’s just not for me.

What the status on this? Are we still doing it?

Yeah I’m still up for doing it. Just need some more nominations for the Boss Rumble.
I just added a few choices for both sides. We can either go with 9 or if anyone has one more suggestion for both sides, we can get up to 10.