vgm forum changes?

I was contemplating doing this and was curious what people thought.

it’s a bit messy and there’s a lot there right now. I was thinking of maybe splitting it to

vgm & animu music
movie music

the other possibility would to have anime and vgm be in two separate categories.

the only immediate problem I see with it is all of the "collection" threads where people have tons of things regardless of the genre– we could either try to phase them out or have a separate forum for that sort of thing?

if we did this, would you want requests to be separated into different forums as well?

the other major change I’m considering is adding reputation. each user can add or subtract from someone’s reputation for a specific post. it’s "worth more" if the individual repping you has more rep themselves. once people reach a certain threshold, we could have a special forum solely for contributors, if that sounds appealing. it’d be the kinda place you could share over ftp accounts, and hopefully the requests from usual contributors would be valued more.

and of course part of the hope would be that it’d encourage more people to make useful posts that contribute to the community.

if you have other ideas, feel free to mention those as well ~

I like the rep idea alot, the seperate forums thing, kinda, but what did you mean by phase them out?

well, since people with the collection threads tend to have anime / vgm / movies all together, they’d slowly shift to either having one for each, or just ceasing to have the collections in the first place and go back to the individual threads?

Ahh okay, well i only have a gamerip thread so it probably is not gonna affect me.

I’d rather split the collections into Anime/VGM/Movie music than go back to individual threads… waaay too many threads to keep track of.

If changes are coming though, I’d say make each one a separate forum. Anime in one, VGM in the second, and movie music in the other. I mean, it wouldn’t be that hard to split collection threads into smaller parts. At least in my case, it wouldn’t.

it strikes me as a good idea for a few reasons 1) a lot of people are only interested in movies, or only in vgm, etc and 2) some sections [movies] have to be moderated much more heavily for legal reasons

I think it would be a good idea to have anime/vgm/movie in separate sections and have a request section in each to clean things up a bit.

I also like the rep idea, but it could be abused at the same time.
e.g. someone uploads an eagerly awaited soundtrack and gets rep for it, someone else uploads that same soundtrack at nearly the same time and the other person gets pissed, then a rep war begins and you have chaos as other members and friends join in with the subtracting of rep points.

The example was taken from a recent piece of drama that happened before the server move. That being said, i’m still in favor of the idea XD

I also think that a thanks feature to unlock download links would be an idea to consider, some of the uploaders get pissed with all the views and downloads with very little or no thanks for their efforts. The downside to this would be for members with big threads, they’d have to encode all their links for that to work and would be a lot of hassle to do that.

Rep is pretty meaningless, I don’t think that’s something that needs to be added.

I’m pro-different sections though. It’ll clean things up and make certain things easier to find for the lazier people.

I also agree with Jessie 100%. The subforums for the different types of music sounds like a great idea. I also have seen the "rep wars" Jessie speaks of. They get really nasty. A person who completely deserves to have high rep and access to the "special" forum gets stabbed in the back by a few members and can no longer get to the links. It causes all kinds of problems. That being said I don’t have a very good idea how to fix it.

I mean I can honestly say I don’t link any music or anything because honestly I get most of my music from FFS as it is but I always say thanks to the person who uploaded it. Now if a rep system were to be in place would someone like me be screwed outta getting music? Or could there be a system where rep matters but once you are over 1000+ posts (or some number) it is opened to you anyways? But that opens up the whole problem with people spamming (which is why I suggested a high number, to deter people from making a couple quick spam posts to get to the music).

*shrug* That is my two cents on the matter. I don’t really have any good ideas but I figured I should throw my thoughts out there.

Reputation? This "I’m gonna grin and shine on THE internet" type of thing? You will only enforce this pissing contest.

Shit, I’m the president on the internet too baby, THE historian… "you can’t tell me nothing, right…" and… Wikipedia is my #1 source, bring it on!

Oh yeah when it comes to reorganizing some things, nothing wrong with that in my opinion. It’s a bit of a mess I guess, but the "search" option is working so I’m fine personally.

The way I see this, I’m happy that I accidentally found this forum. Because I love music in the games, yet the soundtracks are incredibly hard to find and get. Yeah I’m fucking happy, because these kind of forums tend to get "shut down". There is simply nothing to complain about or wish for, for me. I’m still amazed how fast some music gets out right at this forum. How fast people get that stuff, damn, god damn beauty.

Enjoying while this lasts.

100 % agree to seperate the forums in 3 categories:
VGM, Anime, Film/TV show/TV series

My question is where would you upload mainstream music.. or J-POP ?
Since this kind of music frequent on this board.

For the big collection merging lot of stuff, Moderators could ask the starter of the post to make 3 different entries (if he got different categories of uploads), or do the work themself..
I guess that’s why mods are for, and if this change is applied they’r gonna have lot of work anyway.

I don’t know if you should also make 3 forums for requests.. i think it’s ok at the moment, as 90% of requests are VGM related.

And for the "REP" system, it will not help FFS community in any way.
Sure a private part could be a good idea, but it’s nearly impossible to say who can pretend to access it or not. Not by a Rep system, not by the number of posts.. neither by "the number of uploaded stuff", cause anyone could upload a tons of crap stuff no one cares about.
There’s no ideal system.

I’d say J-stuff should go into Anime section, too. Make it "Anime and J-Music" or sth, I dono.

Isn’t mainstream music all bad because of copyright issues, anyway? =/

But yes, I’d highly support it.

Yeah, I didn’t think that mainsteam stuff was allowed.

mainstream stuff definitely isn’t allowed barring some sort of extraordinary exception– they released it under creative commons or it’s known to have expired copyright, etc.

also I find it amusing that the people who contribute by uploading the most are never against the rep, pretty much. ;-;;

I honestly don’t really care for the rep stuff, as long as having bad rep will not result in you getting less functions than people with good rep.

I did point out a disadvantage of the rep system, so i’m not 100% for it.

If it sounds like i’m just going along with the group now, then so be it, having or not having a rep system won’t change anything i do here anyway.

I’m all for three seperate sub-forums for vgm/anime/movies.

Can’t believe some people care about rep that badly. I’ve uploaded about three soundtracks here in total, and now two other guys usually spread those soundtracks around whenever they’re requested and get all the thanks for it, but I don’t really care as long as the music’s available in the first place. "It used to be about the bloody music!" :p

It’s not that hard to find mainstream stuff (ex metal, rap, movie soundtracks), so it’s pointless to post that here. The only exceptions should be very rare stuff.

I think it would be a good idea to add the movie music section as soon as possible, there has been an explosion of movie soundtrack posts lately.

I am agree, at least adding new subforums would be enough for the moment.

Mods could move the older posts little by little.

I think it would be a good idea to add the movie music section as soon as possible, there has been an explosion of movie soundtrack posts lately. +1

Yeah, I’d definitely agree with Jessie on that one… more and more movie soundtracks are starting to show up, and it would be kinda nice for them to have a place of their own.

I wanna know since when did the users get confused with posting movie/t.v. soundtracks into the anime/vgm soundtracks section…. I totally agree with you on splitting them to different sections. The request portions as well.

I agree that a separate thread will functioning better, but i have a few questions.

Wouldn’t a specific thread for movie soundtracks, increase the possibility of the forum being ‘watched’ and reported, and that would means this section will be closed or simply deleted, due to copyright issues from movie soundtrack labels?
The majority of film music soundtrack are officially released unlike VGM, and as the film music links are being posted at the moment (under VGM/Anime music), it keeps them maintaining this ‘low-profile’ that could be lost under a specific thread for movies.
There are soundtrack music blogs, being reported and closed because of that.
I buy movies soundtracks when i can and shared them here, and when not i know that i can find them on the shrine. I and certainly many others wouldn’t want it to end.

What would happen to those threads when some original poster put the links of his music collection?
Most of those collections have VG/Anime/Movies. They don’t separate the genre. What place those kind of threads should go?

Any news about this ?

– I don’t know about separating anime from vgm, but the movies ost really need a different forum…

– Adding a rep system does not look a good idea, specially if it is set to give some special access. Expect to see some people abusing it soon.

What would happen to those threads when some original poster put the links of his music collection?
Most of those collections have VG/Anime/Movies. They don’t separate the genre. What place those kind of threads should go?
Normally they should have created one thread per album, or related collection:
Thread 28230

But some people seems a bit lazy and tends to post under: "The VGM/ANIME/MOVIES Collection of MeTheCoolGuy89" or "My collection – requests in the topic or i wont upload" …

This is another reason that the download links forum looks totally messed, but i understand that it is hard to respect the first rule of the guideline sometimes.

Well… I don’t know about the others, but I used to keep a .txt file with the post code for my soundtracks’ collection thread. I guess the staff would give some kind of announce/notice before the forum changes, so that users can edit the post, grab the desired portion & post a new thread.

In my humble opinion, a user’s single collection thread isn’t a bad idea… I’d prefer to avoid following 3 separated threads, when I can concentrate everything onto one. It’s not about lazyness, it’s about functionality. If i’ve already organized my list like this:

VG OSTs:
-x
-y
-z

Anime OSTs:
-x
-y
-z

Movie OSTs:
-….

Why would I need to split it?

Sounds good to me Sarah!

It should clean up both sections in the long run.

I want new smiles, the ones you can use right now in front of the post name.

Yeah, it’s not due to laziness that I put all my uploads into one thread… it allows people to see everything I have to offer, without having to make sure they didn’t miss one of like 400 threads that I would have had to make otherwise.

Please don’t split… just rename the forum to "Soundtracks" or something. I don’t like splitting, it destroyed the whole usualness 😀 and there are also alot of collection threads (hunt thread, losssless thread etc.) so please, don’t split this forum, just rename it… thanks in advance.

Well… I don’t know about the others, but I used to keep a .txt file with the post code for my soundtracks’ collection thread. I guess the staff would give some kind of announce/notice before the forum changes, so that users can edit the post, grab the desired portion & post a new thread.

In my humble opinion, a user’s single collection thread isn’t a bad idea… I’d prefer to avoid following 3 separated threads, when I can concentrate everything onto one. It’s not about lazyness, it’s about functionality. If i’ve already organized my list like this:

VG OSTs:
-x
-y
-z

Anime OSTs:
-x
-y
-z

Movie OSTs:
-….

Why would I need to split it?

Sorry I was too lazy to answer you the last time then totally forgot about it since.

There are a lot of reasons that should push people to use one topic per album.

First of all, it is faster and clearer to find an album you looking for by searching it only in the topic’s titles ([search titles only] option)
And I assume it also saves some forum’s cpu…

An example? Try to find all the album about "City Hunter" on the "Downloads" forum with the search set also to search into the posts, not only topics titles:
Excepted the ones posted with the method "one album per topic" and clearly visible from the topic title, all the others albums are losts somewhere in the "MyAnimeUploads" "TheCoolMrBeeAlbumsListUploads" ect…
You have to waste a lot of time by digging on all of thoses albums lists and random posts, generally to find out that there isn’t even one single album related. (The search engine may report a topic which containing the albums : "Monster Hunter" and a bit below in the list "City of evils", which have nothing to do with "City Hunter"…)

Also, I believe that it is more convivial and clearer to ask/talk about one specific album or its related universe in one single topic, than having to post in a big giant topic with 400+ pages posts already… Excepted the people which follow periodically the topic, nobody is enough masochist to search an information about the listed album in the middle of that cacophony, wheres a post is about X album, the next post about Y album, next about X album again, full of quotes everywhere, then a "thank you was looking for it blablabla" about Z album, ect…
With one topic per album, you can even enjoy the luxe to post a nice cover, albums and technical details, a little note introducing the shared album and why you like it and wanted to share it with other people, ect…

But nothing preventing you for doing both: One topic per album, then a main topic which listing all albums related to a specific thema. (your albums shared, X game albums, Y series, whatever…)

See as example the excellent topic: Complete your Silent Hill music collection!!:
Thread 46737 which is dedicated mainly to list all the silent hill shared stuffs on the download section and more.

You said that your method is about functionality and not lazyness. I really believe you, but this is functional only for you, the poster, not for your topic’s visitors which have to deal with that increasing mess.

I don’t see the problem of making a topic per album, specially when you know that each topic you create registering automatically on your "suscription list", which mean that you can receive an alert email each time somebody posts into one of your topics, helping you to keep a track of what is happening on your multiples topics (see into the User CP section for more details about it)

Sometimes, I am a bit sad that the topic Thread 28230 is only a guideline, and not imposing them as rules.
It should make the Download section a LOT clearer and easier to visit.

I hope this post helped you to understand my position about this subject.

Bump. I’m still heavily in favour of splitting VGM and movies (J-stuff and anime can go in either imo, they’re not that big anyway). Especially now that movies for video games and video games for movies have become incredibly big (mainly former), it’s getting heck of confusing.

I also would like the addition of a new moderator for the VGM section (and perhaps the movie section getting their own mod). Jessie is a great mod and does a good job, but I’ve seen that there are things that slip through his fingers, he can’t be everywhere. And he still is the only active mod in the VGM section. That’s quite bad considering it’s the biggest section on the whole board. >_<

_____

Also, about "Collections vs. Single threads", there’s a few things that speak for either.

Single threads clutter up the sections and are very scattered across the board. Furthermore, the Search isn’t always helpful, especially if there are spelling errors in the title (happens) or the music is written by a different name (say, a good example is Megaman, it’s also written Mega Man or Rockman). However, they still make it easier for someone searching.

Collections have one HUGE positive aspect: They simply have everything in one. It’s easier for the uploader because the requests are kept in one single thread and he doesn’t have to check his collection of threads. It’s easier for the requesters because they can ask for a batch of things in one posting and don’t have to post in 9001 threads. It is better for the forum because they are much neater and cleaner. However, the searching option is spoiled a bit by it.

Furthermore, the Search isn’t always helpful, especially if there are spelling errors in the title (happens) or the music is written by a different name (say, a good example is Megaman, it’s also written Mega Man or Rockman). However, they still make it easier for someone searching.This is also valid for collections thread…

Collections have one HUGE positive aspect: They simply have everything in one. It’s easier for the uploader because the requests are kept in one single thread and he doesn’t have to check his collection of threads.As I said just before your post, when you create a thread, you automatically registering to receive an email when somebody post on it. Theres no problem at all to follow them.

It is better for the forum because they are much neater and cleaner.O_O (totally disagree)

This is also valid for collections thread…

Mega[…] is found far easier in a collection thread than in the forums simply because they are usually sorted alphabetically, thus typos or spelling differences can be seen immediately.
And you still can scroll down if you are looking for Rockman.

As I said just before your post, when you create a thread, you automatically registering to receive an email when somebody post on it. Theres no problem at all to follow them.

Honey, by all means, I already have a huge mailbox, and get 20 mails every day. If you contribute a lot, you have a lot of threads you’d have to manage, and you don’t get more overview if you get your mailbox bombed by people crying for a reupload. The contrary, I’d get even more confused and annoyed.

O_O (totally disagree)

How is 1 thread instead of 500 not cleaner?