Final Fantasy VII the Naughtiest FF?

Is Final Fantasy VII the "naughtiest" of the Final Fantasy games? I think, more than any other FF game, this is the one that stretches its Teen rating the most. You’ve got one character who curses like a sailor (Cid Highwind) and another who curses pretty regularly (Barret Wallace.) And many of the game’s other characters, including the main character Cloud Strife, use profanity every so often. This game also features a fair amount of alcohol content (including the Tifa’s Seventh Heaven bar) and sexual innuendo (mainly involving the Don Corneo sequences — "I’ll smash them," cross-dressing at Wall Market, most of the Honey Bee Inn.) And, well, it goes without saying that there are scenes of violence and monsters.

The PC version censored some of the stronger profanity (ironic when you consider that Eidos was actually targeted by parents’ groups about the game’s content), and also even tones down a bit of the innuendo ("I’ll smash it."), but other than that, things were left generally intact.

No other FF game was like this. Of course, in FFVI, we got stuff like "son of a submariner." FFVIII’s said to have some strong profanity on the demo version, which would have gotten an MA if released in that form. But, really, compared to FFVII, none of other FF games really have all that much profanity, and certainly not a lot of the other stuff either. Thoughts?

FFVII is Kinky, I mastubate to it alot.
ALOT!!

Well it is a bit naughty, but maybe it`s because all the plot is set in a more mature world, it`s not about an Esper which is about to be used by an evil empire. It`s not about crystals and four teens saving the world. It`s about political problems, about things that "adults" talk more about normally. So it`s showed in a new matured way. In FFVII characters had very deep personalities, which have been more expressed through their good or bad habits, the way they act in different situations and stuff. I mean that if you suddenly realize that you and several of your friends are those who are the only ones able to save the world you sure won`t sound very happy, all humanity is on your shoulders, so it`s completely normal for a character to say "OH SH#T" instead of saying "Wee, I`m saving the world!"
In a mature world you need to have things that are considered to be mature too. So it all was about Dio, about cross-dressing, about having perverted thoughts and what not. FFVII wasn`t a game for children. As we grow up, FF is growing up along us, that`s what I think.

Yeah, you have a fair point, though. However, some of the other FFs are set in a mature world, though. However, Squall and his friends attend an academy, so they can’t exactly swear all the time. And in FFX, well, because of Yevon, so many of the characters try to act their best. The only character that can really strongly be described as acting like a rogue (at least for a while), is Auron. And then there’s XII, where many of the characters are mature, but are also of royal lineage, and therefore, wouldn’t behave in such a manner.

I think, also, we have to consider that Square may have faced a backlash after FFVII came out, and so felt the need to tone down such elements in future games.

Of course, I think you may get an argument from some here as to whether or not any FFVII character has a personality that could be described as "deep."

JFTR, the ability to swear fluenty is not an indicator of possessing a "deep" personality, either in regards to real life or to fictional characters.

Maybe "deep" wasn`t quite right here, but I think that overall characters in FFVII were developed very well and they had something that could be described as "deep". Maybe not personality, maybe it`s because of the relationship between them, or because they all in fact didn`t came out of nowhere, but had some back-stories as well.

FFVII’s setting is more appropriate for profanities, definitely. Compare the slums of a city like Midgar in a modern setting to, say, the sort of Renaissance-like setting of Final Fantasy IX. There may well have been a backlash about the contewnt of FFVII, but none of the other games really have a setting as appropriate, I suppose. Midgar is intended to be portrayed as a very bleak industrial metropolis, and that’s about the most likely place to encounter vulgar language.

I think FFXII is worse because of all the nudity/partial nudity that goes on. Think about, Ashe wears a miniskirt that covers the same amount of surface area as a washcloth tied around her waist. Fran and all the other Viera wear either singlets/leotars/ or a one piece that give them a massive weggie. Or, they wear a skimpy bra and g-string that pretty much says: "Look at me, I’m almost completly nude in public! Look at my tits!". Now I’m not saying this is a bad thing but I just don’t like the parents bitching about how a game they bought their child has so many suggestive themes for a teen rating. Lady, your the one who thought it would be a good idea to buy your kid this game so I don;t want to hear it.

But their are also themes in FFVII that make almost as bad as FFXII. Mainly the Honeybee Inn/ Don Corneo. Also the fact that Yuffie is 16 in the game yet she also barely wears something that covers herself….

Just my two cents worth.

The reason why FFVII isn’t my favorite, or close to my favorite. I don’t like profanity in games, especially growing up with FFVI, where there wasn’t even the word die in the game. Now, FFIX has Zidane and Garnet’s butt, but that was kind of funny. But VII is too mature for me.

especially growing up with FFVI, where there wasn’t even the word die in the game.
Hee… you’re right. Though there were "kill" and "hate"

But their are also themes in FFVII that make almost as bad as FFXII. Mainly the Honeybee Inn/ Don Corneo.
Oh, definitely. That guy was a total perv.

Uh-huh… and I’m guessing that Square was trying to pay homage to The Godfather by making his name similar to Corleone. But a man like Vito Corleone should not be paid homage with a fat pimp crime lord.

I would say that FFVII has more gore/violence/sex/swearing than any other FF I have played. IX had some swearing that, unlike in FFVII wasn’t censored. I remember Zidane saying "Bastard" atleast twice. I can’t remember any swearing in X. FFVII has ALOT of swearing, but it’s censored. FFVII is pretty gory too (the Shinra building scene comes to mind, as does Aerith’s death) IX has alot of death and destruction, but I don’t recall alot of actual onscreen gore. X has some gore too (like in the Home location).

VII has a large sex reference in the form of the Pimp lord Don Corneo, not only does he run a place were woman volunterily have sex with him, but if he chooses Cloud, you get to choose some, uh, rather stupid responses, and don’t forget when the party is threating to do rather colourfull things to his small penis. The only scene I can think of from IX is the scene where Zidane accidentily *cough*intenionally*cough* places his hand on Garnet’s ass, and of course, there’s the lake scene from X

FFVII has ALOT of swearing, but it’s censored.
It isn’t, at least not in the Playstation version. Both "damn" and "shit" are regularly used censored. The PC version censors all instances of "shit," but keeps some other profanities intact.

Aha, I thought it went something like that.

I don’t think the scene at Lake Macalania is "naughty." I’d say it falls under the category of tastefully romantic.

You can gag over it all you want, it isn’t exactly explicit 😉

They were on top of each other though, you cannot deny that.

Were they? It’s been awhile. I thought they just did synchronized twirling in the lake.

On top of each other, yes.

But they are like "weightless" in the lake, so aren’t they just NEXT to one another? :smrt:

I’m not breaking it out to check, so not worth the effort. If you would like to win this point, you are welcome to, mi amigo.

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JFTR, the ability to swear fluenty is not an indicator of possessing a "deep" personality, either in regards to real life or to fictional characters.
I’m not specifically in favour or against swearing in games, but in cases where a character can be predominantly defined by three major factors (actions a la plot, interaction a la characters, and dialogue) I am much more impressed when all three coincide. That is, when the dialogue of a character feels realistic according to the current scenario, it promotes the illusion that this character could be real, in a sense anchoring the characterization.

If Cid would have said "Dang and blast it all!" when the Tiny Bronco went down, I’d snap out of it and remember how silly it all seems. It ain’t right.

Cid and Barret were two characters to whom swearing seemed to fit, given their background, character interaction and plot purpose. I can’t think of anyone in later FFs of which the same can be said (not so familiar with older ones).

Also, Cid had a never-extinguishing cigar. +1 to topic title.

Yeah, in the Kingdom Hearts games, Cid’s cigar was reduced to a chewable straw.

As some have said, Zidane does due a slight bit of swearing, and I can see how it fits his character. As for the rest of the Tantalus gang, they may have been rogues and thieves of sorts, but they were all about maintaining appearances…

Well Zidane doesn’t go further than "bastard". I agree with FF1WithAllThieves, VII has the most appropriate setting for more mature content, but I also found it unnecessary to a degree.

I haven’t read what anybody else said because i’m lazy so maybe someone said this already. But I know a lot of people who think final fantasy VII is a great game. I personally think it is a little overrated but maybe those who think it is the best Final Fantasy think that because they liked the "naughtiness" which others had less of.

Though I’ve yet to play all the FF games, must say FF VII contains the naughtiest scenes out of the one’s I’ve so far completed.

Don Corneo scared me.

I was so glad when the Turks did that guy in — that totally upped their rating with me.

Yeah I agree, I didn’t like Corneo very much either.

But you have to realise that FFVII is a very mature game, adult themes, violence, sexual references, coarse language, this game basically has it all.

The worst you get in other games is say, Selphie / Ashe with their mini-skirts, or Edea / Lulu with the 90% exposed rack.

There are many parts in VII that suggest it was much more mature than it actually let on:-

– Aerith’s ‘One-Date’ deal with her ‘body-guard’ Cloud.
– Reno and Rude discussing who they like (Gongaga).
– The fact that the whole game is based around a political war with the ShinRa.
– You can find ‘Orthapedal Undergarments’ in Tifa’s room during Clouds flashback in Kalm!
– A main character dies, an occurance that hasn’t been made nearly as dramatic since FFII (the ACTUAL II, with Firion, Maria, Guy, Leon, Ricard, Josef, Gordon, etc.) In which 4 characters die.
– Hojo’s attempt to ‘breed’ Nanaki (Red XIII) with Aerith.
– The slaughter of the Cetra.

There are a lot of occurances in this game that, although not immediately recognisable, suggest that the game is a very mature game, not like it’s softer prequels like IV and V.

Oh, plus there’s Barret’s attitude, Cid’s swearing, Cloud’s deep emotionally fragile state, Yuffie’s kleptomania (stealing addiction), Cait Sith’s back-stabbing nature, Aerith’s quiet slightly depressing view on life, Nanaki’s life story, Vincent’s battle to forgive himself, Sephiroth’s addiction to power, and of course, Tifa’s MASSIVE jugs lol.

Just about every character, main or secondary, has a quirk or a feature that is symbollically mature or as you said ‘naughty’.

But maybe I’m reading too much into it…

Your point about sexual subtext is very valid, but in terms of violence and deaths, FFVI is far more mature than FFVII. I’ll give a few specific examples *spoilers, obviously*

At Doma Castle, essentially all of the citizens living there except for Cyan and the guard standing next to him die from the poison in the river, including the king and all of Cyan’s family.

When you agree to talk peace to the espers for the empire, you get well acquainted with General Leo, and he reveals his humanity to a greater extent than you knew before. Further, you meet all of the espers on top of the mountain and convince them to make peace with the empire and the rest of humankind. When you return to meet General Leo with the espers, Kefka appears and kills all of the espers and General Leo viciously and instantly, taunting them all the while. So many characters that you had just been introduced to just die immediately; that’s far more mature than the rather well-deserved deaths of many of the people Sephiroth leaves dead in his wake.

And after that, Kefka kills thousands of people and practically destroys the entire world; as you explore the world afterwards, you see that in one town the entire population consists of orphaned children, and nobody else in the world seems to take any enjoyment out of life. The mass-extinction of the Cetra is only talked about from a historical point of view in FFVII, whereas you actually see the apocalypse that kills so many people in FFVI.

So in respect to death and violence, FFVII is nothing new at all. And really, it isn’t any more violent than FFVIII, FFIX, or FFX. But as I mentioned before, the urban slum setting of FFVII explains the more common use of expletives and sexual undertones.

It never really bothered me, I think the mature themes were part of the games charm. I would consider it the most ‘naughty’ out of all of them though. Still, the game wouldn’t be the same without the mature content, anyway.

FFVII is Kinky, I mastubate to it alot.
ALOT!!

Dude! No!

I hated Don Corneo, but LOVED his theme. It so did not fit him… his mansion, maybe, but him, nah.

On the subject of profanity, what about the BASTARD SWORD in XII?

"Bastard" is weak profanity compared to some of the stuff used in VII.

^^agree^^

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Oma — I’m glad you found some of it useful. There’s more of my work, some of it better, on GameFAQs as well.

Watch also for my next guides — FFVII PC/Playstation Script Differences and FFXII Speed Run. Actually, the former one is already available at http://agent0042.fileburst.com/pcplyfaq.txt but I haven’t quite finalized it yet for uploading to GameFAQs.