Some topics of interest:
1. Some of Sabin’s blitz require the X and Y buttons which are, no surprise, missing from a GBA. Is an alternative method to invoke the blitzes available, or if the blitzes that require the X/Y key be remade to use a different keypress sequence.
2. The DS does have X/Y buttons. Does the game will take advantage of the DS’ additional buttons?
3. Any other interesting features about the game? The new dungeon/espers perhaps? The music player? Bestiary? Nonstop battle minigame?
As For Pixellated Rpg’s Youre Actually Better Off Playing Them On The Smaller Screen Of The DS Or GBA… Playing FF6 On A Large Screen TV With My PSX Copy Resulted In Stretched Pixels And A Lack of Quality In General… The Smaller Screen Of the DS Suits It Perfectly In My Opinion
from what i’ve seen, the graphics look the same small or large. there’s no change to them IMO; they are still pixelated like the old days. not a problem to me though, i don’t play games just for that, but yeah, i can’t get the feel of the game like i could if i were playing it and seeing it on my tv.
i heard about a gba to tv device but i can’t find it.
from what i’ve seen, the graphics look the same small or large. there’s no change to them IMO; they are still pixelated like the old days. not a problem to me though, i don’t play games just for that, but yeah, i can’t get the feel of the game like i could if i were playing it and seeing it on my tv.
i heard about a gba to tv device but i can’t find it.
The gameboy player. Came out a couple of years ago. Back then it was $50 I believe. Check ebay you should be able to find it.
You’ll also need a GameCube to go with that I believe.
this is exactly what i’m talking about. i can’t enjoy this shit. i shoulda stuck with the snes version. at least i could see where the hell i was going.
i can find the two towns on the opposite side of narshe, i just can’t find narshe. wtf. what does the damn thing look like? all i’m seeing in the area are flat trees, grass, some mountains and water. all i fucking want is the ultimate weapon by today and i can’t get it because i’m stuck flying around in this airship looking for what amounts to a blade of grass in a forest.
yeah, i’m going to go ahead and take an l and drop 50 on one of those gb players, because this isn’t gonna work.
I could find Narshe blindfolded, but I’ve played VI in excess of 10 times, and those are just complete playthroughs. I’ve been waiting for this port since Link to the Past graced the GBA.
My biggest complaint, well complaint isn’t exactly the right word, but annoyance is the changes to the dialogue. Every time they speak it’s like ‘Hey, they changed THAT!’ The retranslations of I,II, & IV were welcome, but I’ve played VI to the point where it is constantly on my mind.
anyway, V probably had the best port. i’ll admit, V was better, so far. VI has a better story though, but V was funny. Bartz was a pretty funny character and so was the turtle guy…Ghido i think his name was. i haven’t beaten V yet…i kinda put that down to play VI. i’m at the end of the second world in V, though. in VI i’m at the part where you can’t use the air ship anymore…i just finished getting the ultima weapon, some magicite, another genji glove, etc.
IV…the story was kinda lame and the fact that you switch characters every 5 seconds because someone wants to leave the team or something else (i won’t spoil it) spoils the game IMO. thats probably why i like V the best. no one is leaving the team, really. the only problem with VI so far is that i just want to control my team. i’m tired of splitting them up, somebody leaving, somebody coming back later, i’m forced to use this person and that person, etc. i just want to control my characters instead of them controlling me.
but in terms of story:
VI
V
IV
in terms of fun:
V
VI
IV
music:
VI
V
IV
but IV does have a better boss theme than V. but V has gilgamesh AND his theme, so…
the dialogue hasn’t gotten to me, because this year (and a lil bit of last) was my first time playing through IV, V, and VI. V clearly has the better dialogue though, so far. i will say that Ultros was tight and the opera scene was nice.
The ports for GBA are better than the PSX ports, which is the main reason I have them at all, outside of VI. VI is one of my favorites, hence the dedication.
I wasn’t trying to put ya down for not being able to find Narshe, I simply explained why I have no problem finding it. I perfectly understand not being able to find something on your first playthrough. Plus considering you’re having trouble with pixalation on the small screen, it makes perfect sense. You’re absolutely right, Narshe IS a tiny crack in a mountain 😛
it took 99 years to figure out where baron falls was again to get the water dance for mog, 99.9 more years to fight stray cat in the veldt (understandable) but this whole "find the area but the area has no distinguishable landmark whatsoever" thing is getting out of hand. i’m almost ready to just give up and go ahead and fight ultima weapon without fighting the other enemy. i just put up with 85 auctions to get golem and zona seeker…its getting frustrating.
the 3 most frustrating things about VI advance are:
-you get lost and then have to fight 90980989343 random battles while you try to find your way, then you forget which direction you were going in in the first place…this isn’t too much of a problem, except when its IN THE FLOATING CONTINENT. this is sort of a problem when they make you choose three ppl and stick you with shadow…if i could choose all 4 ppl it would be easier. ninjas and the gigas enemy ARE a problem. Mog is a g though…if it weren’t for Mog and his dances, my party woulda been toast when i had to fight 2 ninjas and some other monster and the first two attacks are fire and water scroll, then the other enemy attacks…
-your party splits up 87 times in 87 different ways. add to that that they sometimes force you to use ppl you really don’t care for and that are really weak…
-the whole no distinguishing landmarks thing is pretty high on my pet peeve list. if there aren’t gonna be any landmarks then for god’s sake have a sight spell in the game or a freaking bigger map.
when exactly do you get to keep any combination of ppl that YOU want? when does the game stop the whole switcharoo thing? this is becoming ffIV…ffIV was extra weak for this reason. only thing saving ffVI for me is the opera scene, the story, some of the dialogue and the music. ffV, although i hated the job thing, was fun from start to 75% of the way through, for me…(again, haven’t finished it yet because i stopped to play VI).
also, what is so good about kefka? what makes him THE villian of the ff universe? so far, IMO, sephiroth is taking that title by far…i feel like kefka is being shoved down my throat. he’s an asshole for no real reason, unless they explain it later?
i just realized that i can’t go back anyway to the sealed cave…i think the island thing rose and now its gone forever. ah well, i don’t think i’ll be using gau unless i’m once again FORCED to.
I’m curious because there was an issue with the original version of VI in that there were 3 rages that existed but that you couldn’t get without a gameshark/action replay/etc. I’m wondering if they fixed those 3 and you can get them all. Or even more.
We’re having issues with Spoiler code, so I’ll just say that based on your complaints you are going to go through the roof in very short order.
actually, i have a save BEFORE i’ve beaten ultima weapon and one after because that was the best fight so far (the ultros stuff was good but it was comedy, ultima weapon was real tight…the music AND the challenge).
one thing is evident though…i should have gotten this on the snes to enjoy the experience back in the day. i knew about it, even read about it in magazines back then, but never got it.
gau still can’t get those 3 rages by the way. i like to read gamefaqs’ message board and ppl are still having the same issue. unfortunately i read a lil too much and know some other stuff. ah well, the game is still decent.
the ultima weapon fight has me excited about the rest of the game. something about a boss basically saying, feeble humans i will kill you, then proceeding to cast all types of magic and carry out physical attacks is pretty cool when you have fierce battle playing in the background.
Mixed bag of feelings here. I kinda find it a bit wierd that they renamed Swdtech to Bushido, but the bonuses are nice, and at least the storyline is still the same, and at least they kept the character and town names. But most of the monsters are renamed as well. The whelk is now called Ymir for instance.
Mixed feelings about the rewritten dialog tho. Sometimes it feels dumbed down compared to the original. Other times, it feels more mature and better written. One thing’s for certain tho, they’re not holding anything back this time (Kefka actually said "kill" in this one. Iirc he didn’t in the SNES FFIII release).
I picked up the game the day it came out, of course. It’s just about as much fun as it was over 10 years ago as it is today.
I was nicer to Debs than I thought I should have been. If I wasn’t a noob, I probably would have just laid into him, myself. I was trying not to overstep my bounds.
There are worse things than being a Prak fanboy. Someday he’ll point out the error of my ways, as he sees them. When he does, I’ll listen with an open mind.
I was nicer to Debs than I thought I should have been. If I wasn’t a noob, I probably would have just laid into him, myself. I was trying not to overstep my bounds.
There are worse things than being a Prak fanboy. Someday he’ll point out the error of my ways, as he sees them. When he does, I’ll listen with an open mind.
You go right ahead and do that. I dont see the reason to "Go into Debs". He’s just stating what he feels is wrong with the game. He is also giving reasoning for his dislikes. It all a matter of personal preference. Whats wrong with that?
Prak’s opening salvo embodies my thoughts on the matter. Prak just went on to dissect Debs "argument" better than I could ever imagine. If you agree with Debs, fine with me.
I do agree with certain gripes with the game that Deb’s stated. Prak did nothing but state his opinion on the game whether he likes to admit it or not. It just so happens to be opposite of Beds opinion. But since so many people fear him here, they just agree for the sake of not getting flamed. He knows that. Its cool if you agree with Prak, but to say "Im waiting for the coming of Prak", its sounds really funny.
Also, Iceberg, you’re wrong about one very important thing. Virtually nothing I have presented is opinion. I have stuck entirely to verifiable facts or well-reasoned inferences. Hell, I haven’t even posted my own views of the game. I’ve taken a completely neutral look at it to come to my conclusions.
what *I* posted is fact.
-16 characters.
-being forced to split them up different ways most of the time
-underdeveloped characters because of the sheer size of the game (because of the amount of characters and things to do)
my opinion:
-16 characters is too much
-too many were underdeveloped, because there were so many. the ones that were "developed" even had weak stories.
-you can’t get used to having a party because they’re split up so many ways for most of the game.
-kefka needed an actual history. him being insane and doing things just because doesn’t go well in a game thats supposed to be "the greatest."
-this isn’t the greatest rpg ever or ff ever because of the above.
and you posting what you did about kefka and basically my whole argument was your opinion. don’t put yourself on some pedastal. i know you have cheerleaders and cock washers on ffshrine but that doesn’t mean that you’re not wrong.
I was nicer to Debs than I thought I should have been. If I wasn’t a noob, I probably would have just laid into him, myself. I was trying not to overstep my bounds.
There are worse things than being a Prak fanboy. Someday he’ll point out the error of my ways, as he sees them. When he does, I’ll listen with an open mind.
Eh?
It’s well known on the Shrine that while giving lip service we all secretly yearn to overthrow Prak, thus de-throning him and gaining his power, and are simply biding our time, waiting for the right moment to rise from beneath, etc………;)
Me and Desert Wolf have got an elaborate ‘underground’ campaign going via PM. http://forums.ffshrine.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
-16 characters.
-being forced to split them up different ways most of the time
-underdeveloped characters because of the sheer size of the game (because of the amount of characters and things to do)
my opinion:
-16 characters is too much
-too many were underdeveloped, because there were so many. the ones that were "developed" even had weak stories.
-you can’t get used to having a party because they’re split up so many ways for most of the game.
-kefka needed an actual history. him being insane and doing things just because doesn’t go well in a game thats supposed to be "the greatest."
-this isn’t the greatest rpg ever or ff ever because of the above.
Great. So you don’t like FFVI. Discussion over, you’ve shared your anger, maybe some people have considered your insight. I don’t see any reason to continue.
We’re all entitled to our opinions. If you’re one of the people who don’t like FFVI, so what? There are probably many people who didn’t like the game. That doesn’t mean you have to try to attack each and every one of the people who think otherwise. That’s just stupid, mean, and impractical. What I like is what I like. What you like is what you like.
About your "facts"…I actually liked all of those features. Many characters allowed for more diversity in combat. Being split up in places like the Phoenix cave made the game more challenging, making you either use characters you would usually just ignore, or even just sacrificing a few characters to keep from using them. I like that challenge in a game.
And as for splitting up in the world of ruin, it makes you have to start the game from scratch again, making it challenging. Also, again, it makes you use characters you may not be used to, so you get to play the game in many different ways, instead of with one simple party doing the same basic thing throughout the game. Also, it lets you get some background info on a few characters and develops their personality a little more, if you are willing to go through their respective scenarios.
And as for underdeveloped characters…it gets the game going faster. It gets you involved enough to want to play, but not so much that it wastes your time getting into stories of characters which don’t teach a thing and are not important in the storyline.
So there, I just used the same "facts" to support my position. I don’t think you need to keep this up anymore…it doesn’t get any of us anywhere, especially because you seem to repeat points a lot.
you said it right though, we’re all entitled to our opinions. what i got on here is me sharing my opinion based on my completion of the game, prak posting his opinion and calling it fact, and you and a few others cheerleading.
i’m ready to move on if you’re ready to stop riding.
I’m pretty new to the boards. I don’t even know who the hell this Prak is, except that he’s willing to put in a lot of time to express something he feels strongly about, and that he can bend facts to make his point look better.
Also, Iceberg, you’re wrong about one very important thing. Virtually nothing I have presented is opinion. I have stuck entirely to verifiable facts or well-reasoned inferences. Hell, I haven’t even posted my own views of the game. I’ve taken a completely neutral look at it to come to my conclusions.
Debs said he doesnt like the fact that the game makes you use different members all the time because they are split constantly. I agree with him and I also want to add that alot of the times you’ll get split and meet up at a spot that is from the start of the game and if you try to level up, the monsters are too weak and you get no exp. You stated you think hes wrong and its a good design choice that the party gets split. I consider that your opinion.
Did you think "He can bend facts" was a compliment?!
And by the way, I think Prak is an arsehole who thinks he’s crushing an opinion argument with fact, which is almost impossible, so which he’s not doing. He’s presenting alternative ways to look at things, which is levelheaded of him, but not "fact". It’s irritating to see someone try to crush an opinion by saying something, then calling it fact, because it almost certainly isn’t.
EDIT: Hey…wait a sec! You caught me off guard, darnit…that was a mean, rude, and incorrect comment! I was trying to make a point, that those who you say are "sucking his dick" are not all necessarily doing that…at least, you were wrong about me.
i haven’t broken the rules at all. so check this out, fuck you. i’ma keep sharing my opinion on video games and you keep being a lil bitch about it. deal?
No, I called it a valid design choice that is not inherently bad, even if it does rub some people the wrong way. It depends on how you play the game. If you are content to play it as the developers intended, then it works perfectly well.
Did you think "He can bend facts" was a compliment?!
I would take it as a compliment since that does imply strong communication skills.
And by the way, I think Prak is an arsehole
I also take this as a compliment. Keep in mind that the voice of reason need not be a kind one.
who thinks he’s crushing an opinion argument with fact, which is almost impossible, so which he’s not doing. He’s presenting alternative ways to look at things, which is levelheaded of him, but not "fact". It’s irritating to see someone try to crush an opinion by saying something, then calling it fact, because it almost certainly isn’t.
Oh, I agree that it is almost impossible. That is because most people do not possess my understanding of the underlying dichotomy of facts and opinions. However, even if people do not comprehend my position, I still owe it to society to make the effort to educate them.
But as for my "facts" not being real facts, you are greatly mistaken there. Determining the fact behind an opinion is as simple as filtering out the personal biases and determining if the underlying "fact" is true or false. If it is true, then it is the relevant fact driving the issue. All I do is point out those relevant facts in their unaltered state.
And Debs the reason why if most of us were a Mod or had the ability to Ban would Ban you is your constant Swearing. Yes you are allowed to write what you want for the most part and say it how you chose but there is a limit to how much Vulgar words people can take. You have ONE post on this whole page that does not have some form of swear word or Vulgarity in it. Tone down your words a little space out how much you cuss and you would have a much better audience with the shrine. That at least is my problem with you and I can only truly guess at other peoples real opnion.
Also this has gotten way off topic the author just wanted to find out how the conversion to GBA from Snes would effect things as well as what got added that was intresting. If you want to Debate on FFVI merits go back to that thread please .
Are you going to listen to some one on the street talking about how bad the world is when they use a cuss word every other sentence? I know I wouldn’t and alot of people as well.
I was once told in my english class Cuss words are the lack of intelligence and are used to fill in the Blanks. Then the teacher told everyone off in such a converational tone without once using a single Cuss word. I was impressed by that and have since tried to be Creative in my put downs and other such things.
So why don’t you give it a shot for awhile I am sure you can do it and it would make it more fun to figure unique ways to insult people.
there are a ton of other threads created by a ton of other ppl, some of which you’re probably familiar with. stick to them. i’ma continue to do me. now i’m gonna finish this dragon’s den and post pics of kaiser dragon and let ppl know if he’s really THAT hard or if he’s a lil bitch like the (dragon’s den) yellow dragon was. later.
Say what you want. You have no idea what your talking about.
Revaninja, constant swearing is a means to gettting banned? So if a mod does it all the time, how much sense does that make and what example does that set?
Also, swearing is generally tolerated here.
On the topic at hand, does anyone know if a strategy guide for this game is in the works/coming out? The guides for FFIV/FFV Advance came out a few days later than the game, but it’s been two weeks and I have heard the same ‘we should get one in eventually’ from EB Games and other places.
Prak yes Swearing is tolerated here but Tolerance does mean there is a Limit somewhere. A cuss word here or there is very different from a constant use of it.
Debs I may not like how you phrase your words but I will still read them I was just trying to help you reach your audeince better is all.
Prof sometimes a Synap foo happens like that I suggest going to Gamefaq for your guide it will probably have it or use an Old FFVI guide since for the Most part the plot, Locations, and some of the side quests will still be the same. Then go to Gamefaqs for the rest of it. Sorry thats all I can really help you with.
hate on me all you want, but you can’t hate on the fact that i’m like the second person online showing you pics of the american version’s bestiary (with the extra monsters). i’ve got omega and kaiser as well, but i’m posting them in the dragon’s den advice thread, so check there.
here are pics i took of kaiser and omega:
http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?p=755431#post755431
On the topic at hand, does anyone know if a strategy guide for this game is in the works/coming out? The guides for FFIV/FFV Advance came out a few days later than the game, but it’s been two weeks and I have heard the same ‘we should get one in eventually’ from EB Games and other places.
You know Ive posted about the FF6 strategy guide at another site and I was told that there is no guide coming out at all for FF6. I usually get the guides for the roleplaying games I get and I was calling gamestop like everyday. Sucks but hey what can we do.
Could someone fill me in please?
On the other hand, the new translation makes the game feel new, the bonuses are nice, and I finally actually got to own the game on cartridge instead of having need to go over to my cousin’s house and hog his copy of FFIII and his SNES or use a ROM (I was a Sega fanboy back in the 16-bit era until my cousin showed me his SNES. Unfortunately, I was unsuccessful in convincing my favorite aunt in buying one for me. I also almost missed the 32 bit era, got my PSX too late and never had a chance to own the PSX version of the game). The graphics, while displayed on a screen way smaller than the 16" TV my cousin had or the 15" monitors that I have played the ROM on for years, are still quite true to the original. And I do admit that some of the monsters’ name actually made more sense now (compare ChickenLip to Litwor Chicken). And while much of the original translation humor is gone, new ones are introduced into the game (i.e. one soldier in the toilet in Vector said "Poo on Peace" before engaging you in a battle when you have to talk to as many people as possible before the banquet starts. While offensive to some, I actually find that phrase quite humorous in a sadistic way). Also, I find that some of the rewritten phrases are actually better than the original (i.e. Locke’s phrase actually rhymes when he steals from a soldier now). The new font used in the game is nice, and despite complains by people here about not being able to find Narshe, I found Narshe without any problems (probably because I’m used to playing the game with bad graphics when I had to emulate it due to the hardware’s capabilities back in ’98). Lastly, while some of the music sounds a bit flawed (as outlined above in the case of "Searching for Friends"), the others are actually rather faithful to the original.
What about my enjoyment? Well, despite all the shortcomings, I’m actually enjoying the game. I must admit that there are times I do feel like yanking the cart out and throwing it against the wall because I can’t cast vanish/doom on a boss and end up getting creamed, and I was totally pissed off last weekend when I wanted to kill Death Gaze and spent like 5 hours continuously hunting it down and killing it, but for some reason, since I got the cart, I would come home from work, and instead of powering up my PCs, instead reach out for my DS and play FFVIA for an hour or two before going online, just doing what I have to do, then going offline and back into FFVIA.
Actually, iirc you could take out Magic Master using vanish/doom in the SNES version (at least, on my cousin’s FFIII cart on his SNES).
You could be right tho, it could be a glitch in the original release that was exploited to death and was fixed in subsequent releases (a FFVI walkthrough I have notes that the PSX version already disabled vanish/doom for a lot of the bosses).
Been a gamer since,been a gamer still…
Depends on how you would classify "little" I guess. For me, the latest version already raised a few "wows" (new magicites) and "awwws" (vanish/doom disabled for over 90% of the bosses). But you’re right, I myself would be one of them who has like played the SNES edition dozen of times and still enjoy the GBA version.
never actually got round to getting this, but I’ll pick it up at some point I’m sure
If you liked the original SNES edition, you might find the new content refreshing, although you might or might not be put off by the new translation.
there’s no way it did any real damage unless you’ve already level grinded, in which case the game would be "too easy."
Wow, that expensive? If a DS game would cost me US$80 locally I’d try to score the same game off eBay for way less (US$80 = RM320 = way overpriced. Yes, I know eBay is unreliable – I’ve been almost scammed once, but luckily someone filed a report and eBay sent me a warning e-mail and refunded me). The DS games I’ve bought so far hardly costs that much (I only have two DS games so far, and the most expensive one only cost me US$30). Sounds like you’re better off trying your luck at PlayAsia or NCSX or even taking a risk on eBay.
Final Fantasy 6 Advance Review
Pros
– New magic and espers
– New dungeon
– It’s FF6
Cons
– New script
– Graphics are worse
– Music takes a hit
In a nutshell, that’s how it is.
Story
If you’ve never played the SNES version, the new script obviously won’t matter to you. As someone who loved the old version, my main concern was whether there would be changes in dialogue.
They added some pointless swearing and changed names of enemies, spells, equipment, and items. For FF veterans, remembering that Economizer is now called Celestriad may be a pain in the ass when trying to find it in your inventory. Some changes are good. I never knew what the spell "Pearl" was in the original. Turns out it’s Holy.
It’s the same basic story. However, the SNES version was "Americanized" for our enjoyment. I guess FF6A’s script is closer to the Japanese version. I just don’t care for it.
Sound
Due to the limitations of the DS, all the music has been remixed. It doesn’t sound better. The battle theme still kicks ass, and the first airship theme is even better, but the rest of the songs are worse than the original. I don’t think Nobuo had a hand in remixing the music.
Graphics
Graphics take a step back. The worst thing about FF3/6 was its graphics. In every battle, you fight detailed immobile pictures of enemies. That’s pretty lame. You may be thinking, "How could they get any worse?" Simple: they’re slower.
I don’t have too much technical knowledge about porting VGs from one system to another. I don’t know why Chrono Trigger ran a lot slower on the PSX than on the SNES. I DO know that if you’re playing a game in which you fight pictures of bad guys instead of animated bad guys, the least the developer can do is make sure that it runs smoothly. Whether you’ve played the original version or not, you will notice the graphic slow-down, and it isn’t acceptable.
Gameplay
Gameplay is actually somewhat better. This is due in whole to the additional spells and espers and the new dungeon, the Dragon’s Den. RPG gameplay has never been a high selling point for me; I prefer a good story to anything else. Regardless, I had some fun customizing stats and other crap.
Score: 7/10
So there it is. Square Enix has screwed up in the past in remaking older games. Sword of Mana comes to mind. Despite their shitty efforts, they couldn’t ruin FF6. It’s just that damn good. But I don’t ever want to see a remake of Chrono Trigger. The thought is terrifying.
If anyone is looking for a walkthrough for the advance version, here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/930370/46964
i never noticed ANY slowdown through the whole game. and the graphics are just as good as they were on the snes. you’re correct in saying that the script is basically a retranslation of the japanese version whereas the script for the snes version was americanized.
bottom line is that the only thing that took a hit in this game was the sound, and its not that bad. i hope they do remake ct, though…add some new dungeons, new bosses, new enemies, new spells…extra endings, etc. shit would be DOPE.
Right. I forgot because I always play GBA games on my DS.
i never noticed ANY slowdown through the whole game. and the graphics are just as good as they were on the snes.
Is your vision impaired? If you don’t notice that the spells and blitzes take longer to finish than the SNES original, you must be accustomed to playing games with slow graphics.
*starts game*
I’d already played ff9 after all.
I’d already played ff9 after all.
Is that a shot against FF9? Sweet.
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