"what would of made FFIX better?"
Also the card game was a little hard to understand,
Otherwise, yes, best FF on Playstation.
Also agree on the card game. Maybe I’m pretty stupid but I was clueless about it for a long time.
Ipsen’s Castle. And to be honest, i never learnt the Boost ability and had all of my Eidolons doing 9999 per hit. Granted, I did have Garnet and Eiko at full Magic from disc 3 onwards. Personally I had no problem with the game other than the story lines of each of the characters. For example, I would have liked to see more of Freya’s story, and a little less of Quina’s.
• Less random encounters
• Better rewards for every minigame except Chocobo Hot-Cold
• More customization in the job system
• Two white mage/summoners kind of sets off the balance a little. Replace one with a Red Mage
• Garnet’s summons need to be more spaced out. You receive Bahamut almost before you have a chance to use Leviathan
• More FMV/gameplay hybrid scenes like in FFVII/FFVIII.
That’s all I can think of for now.
That really was the only thing that was annoying…
Ten-second battle transitions sometimes feel like a bit too much.
But storywise, I don’t think there’s anything that I’d want them to change…=]
And if FFIX had a card mod option as well. Some of those cards in FFVIII had sweet items to get! For instance, all those aura’s. Absolutely awesome.
I agree. They pushed the system’s capabilities to its extreme.
IF ZIDANE WOULD HAVE FRIGGEN KISSED HER AT THE END!!1
C’mon, he spent like half the game wanting one, and sure when the sea of raging hormones ebbs, the advances give way, but, gee… you’d THINK.
IF ZIDANE WOULD HAVE FRIGGEN KISSED HER AT THE END!!1
C’mon, he spent like half the game wanting one, and sure when the sea of raging hormones ebbs, the advances give way, but, gee… you’d THINK.
Somehow I feel like it wasn’t up to Zidane. Garnet’s should have been the one to finally kiss him, and not the other way around.=O
Also, Final Fantasy IX is perfect for me, saying that as, of course, I can point out things I personally feel as flaws, game-wise (I found this game the easiest of all the Final Fantasy-games I’ve played so far), but,
making it all perfect, it doesn’t have to be better. It’s good as it is, and I don’t find no need thinking about how it would’ve been improved =) ;O It mustn’t!
(Maybe some more Terra sequences would have been awesome, lolz <3)
That’s beside the point. Regardless of who takes the initiative, a kiss would have been nice.
Really? That’s disappointing to hear. There are a few I like seeing more than once. FFIX is in that category.
Yeah, uh-huh, okay. For you, maybe.
FF9’s ending is what made it my favorite.
I also have to agree with stealing, it took way too long sometimes.
Hook a brotha up.
I wish they had a card game in every FF, but only if it was like FF8’s game because I played the hell out of that. I still go back to my save to play it every once in a while.
Ditto…I really enjoyed FF8’s card game. Wasted entirely too much time on it…and I became a bit obsessive about never losing a card.
I got paranoid when it came to being forced to lose a card to someone in order to get a new card. I thought it would never pop up thanks to some glitch or somethin.
Definitely add FF8’s card game to every iteration though. Or at the very least something along those lines, a nice sidequest game that you can play throughout the game. The same card game over and over may get old after a while.
Okay, here you go (Thread 22236).
I beg to differ, I stood there for like 10 seconds, until my turn finally arrived, only to have it end swiftly by Ozma.
Not a chance mate, you would press a command and it would take ages for them to actually do that command.
Ofcourse I did.
Well, that’s the fun and magic of turn-based battles for you. Everyone goes into a queue even after you enter the command, and some of the enemies just get the luck of the draw and get their turn in before you. And worse, some of them have stuff like double-casting. That’s what boosting your charcters’ speed stats and putting on stuff like auto-haste will help.
Characters like Ozma will almost always (in fact, I think it IS always) get the first turn in, and bad luck on you if it wipes out your team on the first strike.
FF9 has some pretty heavy animation times. I found that the PS2 does make it seem faster, but either way, that’s just the way the system works out. Every other FF game has been the same speed and style for me, even the older games.
Unfortunately 🙁
I realise that FF games arent meant to be very fast paced, but I just thought the battle speed of FF9 really took the piss, now that I’ve played FF7 again for the first time in about 3 years which seems to be much faster. Also the fact that you can’t do more then 9999 in one turn with FF9 can be annoying, but not that big of a complaint, dont want Zidane using Omni-hart, do we?
That is too obvious to even mention,
besides i did say it’s too slow even on the fastest setting in my first post.
Even playing on a ps2 with double disk speed it’s noticably slower than ff7 and ff8.
Otherwise, yes, best FF on Playstation.
I’d have to agree about the ‘childish’ looks of all the characters, I just couldnt personify myself with any of them (if that sounds correct lol)
They also could have put more places on the lost continent and not have closed up esto gaza on the fourth disc. They could have also put more items in the auction system but it was great nonetheless. the Ragnarok Sword could have been less stronger than Excalibur and there should have been two tiger rackets. They also could have explained the stat growth system (equipment contributing to stat growth).
Because IX never elaborated on things it really should have, you would have to use your head to reveal the missing pieces in both the gameplay and the story line, I had to start IX again and again to get the real messages in the storyline. But I love IX’s storyline and gameplay aswell as graphics and sfx. I don’t really think these as flaws as I think they wanted to make you think. but yes, quite abit of things and events in IX could have been improved.
(I still don’t get what spirit does after having played IX over and over again:-( )
There’s other things that it affects, too, but let’s just say, the higher, the better.
It’s similar to "luck," I guess.
also if this line was used once i’d say it was a perfect game: daddy is ja rule taller then me. No you to are the same
the card game was easy and fun, the characters were perfect i liked amerant the way he was. making it so there was at least 1 city that u didn’t have to go to to complete the game set a good chemistry. saying cloud and squalls name at the end was cool, the picture of squall and everyone at the auction house set memories. They made the characters the way so each one would have his or her own perpose. so when u get the white mage(eiko) that u wouldn’t be using fucking freya for a white mage.
I think the main thing that got under my skin with the game was its childish graphics, and of course, Zidane’s tail. I had trouble putting myself into the role of a kid with a monkey tail, as hard as I tried. Zidane even reminded me of a monkey with his hair. The characters in the game were not proportioned right, much like FF7, although in FF9’s case, graphical limitations were no excuse. Garnet looked like she was about 5 years old, yet she had the chest of an 18 year old. Even more odd was that she actually looked like a kid when compared to the tall height of Steiner and Beatrix. Check the ending movie of FF9 on Youtube to see what i’m talking about. She goes up to about their waist from the looks of it. I found it all rather disturbing.
I also had trouble taking the "bad guys" seriously. I forget the fat queen(?)’s name who was the main villain at the start of the story, but she looked more hilarious than scary to me. As for Kuja, the tail took away any fear factor from my mind too.
To be honest, I can’t remember a great deal about the game. It seems that after playing 7 Final Fantasy’s, they start to blend together. I think I was unimpressed with the Eidolons too, though. Thinking back, i’m not sure if I ever even used one in the game, though surely the story forced you to use them at some point? If I missed them somehow in the whole game, that might have been one of the reasons I disliked it so. I rewatched their summons on Youtube though, and I think I still preferred FF8’s summons. (Though I admit, Leviathan’s summon on FF9 was possibly better, and Bahamut’s wasn’t bad either.)
I don’t think I wasr very impressed with the story either — maybe it was merely the graphics that kept me from getting too deeply into it though. Overall, I think it was a nice light hearted game, but I consider it to be more of a fairy tale setting than a modern Final Fantasy game. I’ve heard someone say it’s a throwback to the old Final Fantasy games. I wouldn’t know since i’ve only played the ones after FF6.
Childish graphics? The art style was meant to be reminiscent of the original games, so of course it is going to be more cartoonish. However, that doesn’t make it childish. And even if it was, what would have been wrong with that? Do you have some kind of overwhelming fear of being associated with anything you see as childish? That’s what we call being a pretentious teenage idiot. You’ll look back on it in a few years and laugh at yourself. Trust me, we all do.
And as for the bad guys, actions speak a lot louder than appearances. In case you didn’t notice, Kuja committed more major atrocities than all the villains in the previous two games combined.
I’m not even going to comment on the rest. I’ll leave that to others, as there’s no way I could be remotely civil while addressing it, and I’m in no mood for hostilities at the moment.
I think the main thing that got under my skin with the game was its childish graphics, and of course, Zidane’s tail. I had trouble putting myself into the role of a kid with a monkey tail, as hard as I tried. Zidane even reminded me of a monkey with his hair. The characters in the game were not proportioned right, much like FF7, although in FF9’s case, graphical limitations were no excuse. Garnet looked like she was about 5 years old, yet she had the chest of an 18 year old. Even more odd was that she actually looked like a kid when compared to the tall height of Steiner and Beatrix. Check the ending movie of FF9 on Youtube to see what i’m talking about. She goes up to about their waist from the looks of it. I found it all rather disturbing.
I also had trouble taking the "bad guys" seriously. I forget the fat queen(?)’s name who was the main villain at the start of the story, but she looked more hilarious than scary to me. As for Kuja, the tail took away any fear factor from my mind too.
Without wanting to be too harsh on you personally, this post is sadly typical of the masses of fanboys/girls who see FFVII and FFVIII as the best in the series. In other words, it’s completely biased and frankly, gives shit reasons for disliking FFIX.
Firstly, you focus on appearances-in your first few paragraphs-instead of character merits. That’s tantamount to saying graphics are the focal point of an RPG or even games in general. If so, how can you possibly call FFIX bad while not attacking FFVII instead for worse flaws (i.e. block hands, terrible cut-scenes etc). Anyway, the whole notion of graphics being of paramount importance to a game is almost universally rejected by the gaming industry.
"To be honest, I can’t remember a great deal about the game. It seems that after playing 7 Final Fantasy’s, they start to blend together. I think I was unimpressed with the Eidolons too, though. Thinking back, i’m not sure if I ever even used one in the game, though surely the story forced you to use them at some point? If I missed them somehow in the whole game, that might have been one of the reasons I disliked it so. I rewatched their summons on Youtube though, and I think I still preferred FF8’s summons. (Though I admit, Leviathan’s summon on FF9 was possibly better, and Bahamut’s wasn’t bad either.)"
Next, there’s this. You even admit to not remembering a great deal about the game, so here’s an idea: play it again. You might well like it, assuming you can tell a good game from a bad one, which based on this post I’m not 100% sure of. So many people tell me that FFVII and FFVIII are superb games and that FFIX is poor, but the fact of the matter is they don’t know what they’re talking about. They merely play VII and VIII extensively and thus over-rate them while playing FFIX once, seeing ‘oh look, the hero’s not a dull Joe Bloggs type character with a huge sword, and the villain has a less menacing costume, so that settles it, it’s a bad game, and we should write it off as such’.
"I don’t think I was very impressed with the story either — maybe it was merely the graphics that kept me from getting too deeply into it though. Overall, I think it was a nice light hearted game, but I consider it to be more of a fairy tale setting than a modern Final Fantasy game. I’ve heard someone say it’s a throwback to the old Final Fantasy games. I wouldn’t know since i’ve only played the ones after FF6."
Finally, there’s this. As I’ve said, if graphics (and FFIX by no means had bad ones, by the way) are your definition of a good game, you’re in the wrong genre. Try a platformer or a racing game.
As for your second comment. The series is called Final Fantasy. They aren’t supposed to reflect our world in any way except the most basic attributes. You don’t see a chocobo running around the countryside in our world do you?
The only real difference I can see here is the time period. FFIX is obviously set in a medieavel time period where folk tales, superstition etc. were commonplace. VII and VIII are respectively set in today’s world and a futuristic world (and in the mess of crap that was the last two discs of FFVIII, God knows where). Basically your argument does not find any actual flaws with FFIX. If you don’t like a story set in a medieavel period, that’s your problem. It doesn’t make the game bad.
Just as Ceidwad said, you should really give the game another chance. Play it again, and you’ll probably appreciate it and remember more of the storyline.
As for the Eidolon portion of your post, I’m not entirely sure if you’re simply talking about the Eidolon use in battle. It is unfortunate that Shiva, Ramuh and the other "starter Eidolons" don’t level up, but I believe the Eidolons you gain later in the game more than make up for it. Ark alone is pretty much the only one you need, though I realize some players may easily miss it. Bahamut is useful and Odin becomes extremely useful once you activate the sword’s attack power.
The Eidolons are imperative to the storyline. While you’re not forced to use them, you do see most of them in FMV format since Kuja and Brahne use them. In FFIX, the Eidolon’s are viewed as one of the greatest sources of power. In the wrong hands, Brahne and Kuja, they can do a great amount of damage. In the right hands, such as Garnet and Eiko, they can be used as protection. There are also an inumerable amount of scholars, including Dr. Tot, that devote their lives to studying the Eidolons and their origins as they search for enlightenment. I’m not sure how you missed the significance that was placed on Eidolons.
I don’t think I wasr very impressed with the story either — maybe it was merely the graphics that kept me from getting too deeply into it though. Overall, I think it was a nice light hearted game, but I consider it to be more of a fairy tale setting than a modern Final Fantasy game. I’ve heard someone say it’s a throwback to the old Final Fantasy games. I wouldn’t know since i’ve only played the ones after FF6.
If it’s the graphics that held you back, then you need to find a way to get over that superficial perspective. FFIX has a great deal of twists and turns. While it starts off more light hearted than most of the FF titles, it quickly becomes very dark and emotional. I don’t want to really get into it because you should play the game for yourself, not have me give you a synopsis.
Addressing the points made, I believe the main issue I had with the art style is that I found it difficult to take the story of saving the world from evil seriously when the characters looked like cartoons. This seems to be a big issue with a lot of people who disliked the game. No, I don’t think this was even half of the reason why I didn’t like the game.
I don’t see why it is biased to think that FF7/FF8 are better games in the series. It would be one thing if I was calling FF8 alone better, since I started playing it first, but I feel that -every- game starting with FF6 (except for perhaps FFX-2) was better, and FF6 certainly had nothing on this game graphic wise. This is an honest opinion without any bias. Also, if i’m not mistaken, both FF7 and FF8 received higher ratings and scores than FF9 in almost every review site, so the majority probably disagrees with it being the better game. Moving on though, regarding the ‘shit’ reasons I supposedly listed, keep in mind that i’m simply trying to quantify why I disliked the game so much. It’s the whole matter of which came first, the chicken or the egg. I played the game and I was simply very disappointed. I didn’t just come up with a hundred reasons to tell myself why it was bad — it simply was, in my opinion, and that’s about all that I need to remember about my experience in playing the game when compared to the other Final Fantasys. I was merely trying to address them as is the purpose of this thread, though I probably shouldn’t have said anything since I can’t remember the game clearly enough to properly critique its failing points, other than just adding fuel to the "I didn’t like it" fire.
The reason I liked FF6, FF7, FF8, FF10, and FF12 more is not because I played them more extensively. Until recently, i’d played every game in the series only once, because i’m not much of a replayer. My opinion of FF8 did not go up after replaying it — in fact, it went down slightly, because I saw a few of the plot holes that I hadn’t noticed before. Believe me, I never want to admit that a FF game is bad while i’m playing it. My expectations are so high for FF games that even if I dislike one from the start, I am continually telling myself that it will surely get better as the game progresses. The real disappointment comes when they don’t.
The story and character development is what makes these games gems in my mind. Graphics are only a side issue, but the one I could remember the most clearly about FF9, which is why I tried to address it. If graphics were all that mattered to me, I would be falling all over FF12 with praise. In contrast, if you read some of my other posts, you’ll quickly see that i’m almost as disappointed with it as I was with FF9.
So…?
I think the main thing that got under my skin with the game was its childish graphics, and of course, Zidane’s tail.
Wait a minute, are you telling me you disliked the game because the main character had a fucking tail? What kind of crap is that?
I had trouble putting myself into the role of a kid with a monkey tail, as hard as I tried.
Let me explain it simply. It’s a FANTASY GAME.
Garnet looked like she was about 5 years old, yet she had the chest of an 18 year old. Even more odd was that she actually looked like a kid when compared to the tall height of Steiner and Beatrix.
You obviously have vision issues.
As for Kuja, the tail took away any fear factor from my mind too.
Do you judge everything on apperance?
To be honest, I can’t remember a great deal about the game. It seems that after playing 7 Final Fantasy’s, they start to blend together.
How do you reach that conclusion if you dont remember the game?
I think I was unimpressed with the Eidolons too, though. Thinking back, i’m not sure if I ever even used one in the game, though surely the story forced you to use them at some point?
So what? They tie into the story in a big way. Whether you used them or not in actual combat is pretty much irrelevant.
I don’t think I wasr very impressed with the story either — maybe it was merely the graphics that kept me from getting too deeply into it though. Overall, I think it was a nice light hearted game, but I consider it to be more of a fairy tale setting than a modern Final Fantasy game. I’ve heard someone say it’s a throwback to the old Final Fantasy games. I wouldn’t know since i’ve only played the ones after FF6.
Wow, its more of a fairy tale setting. Isnt that amazing! Being called Final Fantasy and all. How can that be!
Wow, those are some flames. I probably should have expected it seeing as how I posted this in the FF9 forum, though in a thread about what would make the game better, I would have expected people to be a little more civil. The first two posters, particularly Prak, act as if i’m attacking them personally by giving dismal comments about a game that they enjoy. Prak, as far as calling me a ‘pretentious teenage idiot’, compare our posts and it should be clear who among us is acting the most mature for our age. (I’m also not a teenager, by the way.)
Boo hoo. If you cant handle people challenging your views, then run along to Eoff.
Addressing the points made, I believe the main issue I had with the art style is that I found it difficult to take the story of saving the world from evil seriously when the characters looked like cartoons.
Does that mean EVERY animation you watch(no matter how light-hearted or serious it is, gets the same treatment from you?
I’m not even going to bother addressing the rest of your long-winded drivel.
As for what could make the game better there are only a few small points that dont really matter most of them relating to game speed but it is undersanable that it could be slow in places cos it used every thing the playstation had and then some. but it would be good if you were able to to get more cards cos i found my self having to let go of really good one just so i could get the whole collection
Cartoony? More like it was in a non – futuristic setting and the medieval towns were more colorful and bright. The characters weren’t silent, emo douchefags and actually were enjoyable to listen to. I just tried to play FF7 again (I am a FF7 god btw) and I couldn’t get past the meeting in the bar because Cloud was acting slightly homosexual.
The character development was really good in this game. Although I THINK they were on a time frame and they rushed the other parts of the game. I would personally love to see Freya’s story fleshed out a little more and I would love to have some more uniformity in the length of the discs. Disc 4 was like 2 hrs long.
Prak can be harsh. But he clearly feels that’s the only way to get his point across. And it’s hard to argue with the way he backs up his stance most of the time.
I was entirely civil, as was Alexandria12. In fact, I made a specific effort to be civil, even though I disagreed with your opinion and your reasons for backing it up.
Addressing the points made, I believe the main issue I had with the art style is that I found it difficult to take the story of saving the world from evil seriously when the characters looked like cartoons. This seems to be a big issue with a lot of people who disliked the game. No, I don’t think this was even half of the reason why I didn’t like the game.
Kind of like it’s hard to take seriously a bunch of characters with block-like limbs saving the world from Meteor?
As I said in my previous post, almost every Final Fantasy has certain graphical flaws. Even FFX-2 which boasted some of the best graphics in the series would use duplicate NPC models. If you can’t see past these minor flaws and rate the game on the far more important attributes of gameplay, plot and characters, you shouldn’t be playing RPGs.
I don’t see why it is biased to think that FF7/FF8 are better games in the series. It would be one thing if I was calling FF8 alone better, since I started playing it first, but I feel that -every- game starting with FF6 (except for perhaps FFX-2) was better, and FF6 certainly had nothing on this game graphic wise. This is an honest opinion without any bias. Also, if i’m not mistaken, both FF7 and FF8 received higher ratings and scores than FF9 in almost every review site, so the majority probably disagrees with it being the better game. Moving on though, regarding the ‘shit’ reasons I supposedly listed, keep in mind that i’m simply trying to quantify why I disliked the game so much. It’s the whole matter of which came first, the chicken or the egg. I played the game and I was simply very disappointed. I didn’t just come up with a hundred reasons to tell myself why it was bad — it simply was, in my opinion, and that’s about all that I need to remember about my experience in playing the game when compared to the other Final Fantasys. I was merely trying to address them as is the purpose of this thread, though I probably shouldn’t have said anything since I can’t remember the game clearly enough to properly critique its failing points, other than just adding fuel to the "I didn’t like it" fire.
An opinion is virtually worthless if you can’t back it up with at least some evidence, facts or reasoning. You saying you dislike FFIX without backing it up is like you saying the moon is made of cheese without backing it up. In this case, if you can’t provide any reasons as to why FFIX is a bad game other that the graphical complaints which I’ve already addressed by the way, you’re probably better off playing it again, finding some reasons and coming back on here and stating them. That will no doubt mean a drastic decrease in flaming, incidentally.
The reason I liked FF6, FF7, FF8, FF10, and FF12 more is not because I played them more extensively. Until recently, i’d played every game in the series only once, because i’m not much of a replayer. My opinion of FF8 did not go up after replaying it — in fact, it went down slightly, because I saw a few of the plot holes that I hadn’t noticed before. Believe me, I never want to admit that a FF game is bad while i’m playing it. My expectations are so high for FF games that even if I dislike one from the start, I am continually telling myself that it will surely get better as the game progresses. The real disappointment comes when they don’t.
Ironic that you say
My expectations are so high for FF games that even if I dislike one from the start, I am continually telling myself that it will surely get better as the game progresses. The real disappointment comes when they don’t.
FFVIII (which is apparently your favourite) is widely regarded as a game which started off well and went badly downhill in the third and fourth discs. Prior to the third disc, the plot had been well set for a good game. However, after this point the plot became increasingly absurd and the characters’ development was either paced badly, was forced or simply did not occur at all.
Other than that I have little to add to that section of your response as you have not given reasons for liking the games you like and disliking FFIX.
The story and character development is what makes these games gems in my mind. Graphics are only a side issue, but the one I could remember the most clearly about FF9, which is why I tried to address it. If graphics were all that mattered to me, I would be falling all over FF12 with praise. In contrast, if you read some of my other posts, you’ll quickly see that i’m almost as disappointed with it as I was with FF9.
Please explain how the stories and character development are superior in FFVII and FFVIII than they are in FFIX.
You evidently don’t know enough about FFIX, otherwise you wouldn’t be making these claims. You say you’ve only played most FFs once. It takes me at least two to three playthroughs to form a really clear opinion of a game. I think you’d probably agree with me there actually since you said yourself you noticed some of FFVIII’s flaws after playing it a second time.
So take my advice and play it again.
Seconded.
Does anybody else here thinks that FFIX was easier compared with other sequels? I mean, auto-potion, auto-regen and a million of other "autos". It’s almost impossible to be annihilated.
But in my opinion, it’s the best FF for the PS.
They could fix the trance system a litle,like grand Lethal should be more dificult to achive and more dmg for sure :/
Make it: Toy Story would have been better if Buzz Lightyear didn’t look like a cut-rate imitation of Cyan Garamonde.
Also this thread was made on the day I joined, I’m glad it’s still going.