First there was the forced change of payment options in FFXI from Direct Payment to Clickandbuy or PlaySpan (unless you're in Japan, where you can still pay for FFXI via Direct Payment)

Second, there was the maintenance with Clickandbuy a couple of days ago.

Third... this:


Earlier today, it was discovered that Square Enix had filed for a trademark of the name "Square" which cites the many methods of video game publishing we see in the video game industry today. It seems Square Enix is pursuing a re-branding effort as "Square". Thanks to users on the web, including deanbmmv of Reddit, we've discovered that the Square trademark looks very similar in description to the trademarking of Square Enix.


"Square" Trademark: Computer game software; video game software; sound recordings in the form of optical discs, magnetic discs and semiconductor ROMs featuring music and fictional stories; audio visual recordings in the form of optical discs, magnetic discs and semiconductor ROMs featuring music and animated fictional stories; prerecorded compact discs featuring music; prerecorded video discs featuring music and animated fictional stories; mouse pads; straps for cellular phones; video game controllers; downloadable musical sound recordings; downloadable ring tones for mobile phones; downloadable wallpaper graphics for mobile phones; downloadable electronic publications in the nature of magazines, journals and newsletters in the field of computer games and video games. Providing on-line computer games; providing on-line video games; providing information on computer game strategies and video game strategies via computer networks and global communication networks; providing information on entertainment in the field of computer games, video games, card games, animated cartoons, comics, novels and magazines; providing on-line non-downloadable comics; providing on-line non-downloadable magazines, journals and newsletters in the field of computer games, video games, cartoons and general entertainment.

Square Enix spawned from a company merger between Square Soft, and Enix. Square Enix also owns Taito Corporation (Eidos), which has been compiled into Square Enix Europe.



Perhaps a future press release will clarify this recent trademark filing, until then keep calling them Sqeenix


Source: Square Enix To Drop "Enix" From Their Name, In A Re-branding Effort (http://www.yourgamercards.net/index.php/news.html/_/news/newsother/square-enix-to-drop-enix-from-their-name-in-a-re-branding-effort-r935)

Well... this doesn't look promising...

Does it really matter?

It's never been hip to be Square~

Or, maybe Enix is finally having second thoughts about being part of Square and wants to jump ship?

Really though, I don't think this is going to change things too much, other than maybe a return to the old-style Squaresoft 'triangle' logo (I always preferred that to the silly 'E' they now use).

It's never been hip to be Square~

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/411/sw75344032e.gif

Does it really matter?

Considering how much money SE is losing each month on XIV being FTP 11 months after it's release (bare in mind XI recouped the cost for it's development in the first 6 months of it's release); XIII not being as successful as SE hoped; the new bullshit payment system for XI is it any wonder why SE is doing badly?

If this trend continues, SE (or should I call them Square) have been bleeding to death steadily ever since Final Fantasy The Spirits Within flopped. Granted games like Dissidia and that bastardized abomination of a love child with Disney called Kingdom Hearts, have stemmed the flow, but imo the damage is already done. Sakaguchi quit... Uematsu is no longer a employee but freelancer and there are others.

SE's sinking fast... they just don't know it.

There are other game companies besides Square Enix you know? A majority of games I play aren't made by them (as this has always been) so I really don't see what's relevant about this.

I asked if the name change mattered. I don't really think it does, in and of itself.

Maybe I'm reading that blurb wrong, though. It's very possible.

Squeenix goes under, it goes under. These things happen.

As soon as you dissed kingdom hearts I cried. Square Enix will be fine.... I hope.

Oh well....if this means the end of Square Enix, I will dance on the grave.

There are other game companies besides Square Enix you know? A majority of games I play aren't made by them (as this has always been) so I really don't see what's relevant about this.

I know, just that this struck me as kinda funny... SE killing themselves and it's all self inflicted. I find that humorous.

problem?

solution: stop playing a shitty game.
or play said shitty game in a private server LIKE A BOSS

Revan, you seem to get off on SE's failings, and it amuses me.

To be honest, I don't really care what they do with their company name. And XIII actually did VERY WELL, despite what you think. It sold so well which is why they're releasing a sequel.

As for XIV.... Yeah it's a bit boring, but there's sooooo much they could do with it. I'm really excited about Yoshida and his team. They seem to actually know what they're doing unlike that fuckface Tanaka. In the interim though, FFXIV is completely free, so if you have a PC that can run it, you have nothing to lose.

EDIT: In regards to the new payment method for their online games, I didn't have any problems using Click and Buy. I'm sure that's not the case for everyone though. But Revan, all you do is focus on the 'OMGZ CLICK AND BUY ARE SCAMMERS etc' when there are equally, if not more, satisfied Click and Buy customers.

Have YOU been scammed by them? Or are you just believing everything that you read?

I've always been baffled by the hate everyone here seems to share for SE. They're the reason you're on this site, no?

I've always been baffled by the hate everyone here seems to share for SE. They're the reason you're on this site, no?

True that Square is the reason for this sites existence but not my reason for joining. I mainly fear for Hitman: Absolution (Eidos being SE's) I would rather see the company go under before seeing a bad Hitman game. I know its paranoia but I have a bad feeling about this game know that I know Jesper Kyd is not scoring it and the Splinter Cell: Conviction style teaser.

I'm on this site for Neg <3~

Well fucking shucks.

I love neg <3

Revan, you seem to get off on SE's failings, and it amuses me.

To be honest, I don't really care what they do with their company name. And XIII actually did VERY WELL, despite what you think. It sold so well which is why they're releasing a sequel.

Let's not forget that only Final Fantasy VIII was the fastest selling game of the series until XIII was released.

I don't care what they do. They're releasing Deus Ex: Human Revolution. And honestly, they're not as bad as people have been making them out to be in the last couple of years. I've enjoyed both their original creations and what they've been simply publishing for the last couple of years.

I don't care what they do. They're releasing Deus Ex: Human Revolution. And honestly, they're not as bad as people have been making them out to be in the last couple of years. I've enjoyed both their original creations and what they've been simply publishing for the last couple of years.

I completley forgot that Deus Ex Human Revolution was a eidos thing lol. It looks very promising.

and here we go....


problem?

solution: stop playing a shitty game.
or play said shitty game in a private server LIKE A BOSS

If that works for you, go ahead and have fun. I'm unaware of any private servers for FFXI, so that doesn't help one bit.


Revan, you seem to get off on SE's failings, and it amuses me.

Considering SE is failing at almost everything they've done recently, it does amuse me.


To be honest, I don't really care what they do with their company name. And XIII actually did VERY WELL, despite what you think. It sold so well which is why they're releasing a sequel.

I don't know about you... but having seen the price of XIII drop from $110 AUSD to $40AUSD in it's first month of release, in multiple stores (and there being a obvious surplus of preowned copies in said stores, says a lot to me about the general reception of the game. True it sold well in Japan etc, but the game had it's flaws, too numerable for me to list here (and this thread isn't about discussion of FFXIII).


As for XIV.... Yeah it's a bit boring, but there's sooooo much they could do with it. I'm really excited about Yoshida and his team. They seem to actually know what they're doing unlike that fuckface Tanaka. In the interim though, FFXIV is completely free, so if you have a PC that can run it, you have nothing to lose.

Except the time wasted playing such a abomination. There is nothing to do in XIV period. There's only so many times one can run around kill Goblins etc before getting bored out of your fucking mind. The fact SE released it in such a shambolic mess, just to beat WoW: Cataclysm's release says a lot about how bad the game is... and it's taken 10 months for SE to get their heads out of their collective asses and work on it... all the while announcing another MMO to be released in April next year!


EDIT: In regards to the new payment method for their online games, I didn't have any problems using Click and Buy. I'm sure that's not the case for everyone though. But Revan, all you do is focus on the 'OMGZ CLICK AND BUY ARE SCAMMERS etc' when there are equally, if not more, satisfied Click and Buy customers.

Being asked to provide my passport information, driver's license and birth certificate just to prove I am who I say I am, is one big fucking mark against them. Do a google search for 'Clickandbuy scam' and see what you find. The Better Business Bureau in America have given Clickandbuy a 'F' rating... my bank (one of the big 4 here in Australia) refuses to have anything to do with Clickandbuy and if that doesn't give you any idea of how shady they are, then nothing will.


Have YOU been scammed by them? Or are you just believing everything that you read?

Not me personally, but a family member has. Numerous hidden charges, as well as non responsive and crude customer service when you call them. I did call Clickandbuy support, to ask why I had to provide all that information. The person I spoke to had a nonchalant manner, abrasive and ultimately did nothing to help with my enquiries. I've worked with the public over the years, and if you want to keep your customers, you don't treat them like shit.

With FFXI gamers in NA, EU and the rest of the world, being forced (at the end of the month) to choose either a shitty company like Clickandbuy or via using prepaid gamer cards/Playspan to pay their monthly fees (Crysta (via the Clickandbuy bullshit) isn't legally accepted as a viable online payment method in every country and the gamer cards aren't available in every country either), while the JP player base can choose to pay from either of those options AS WELL as direct payment. This alone has drawn a lot of ire of FFXI players on the official SE forum for FFXI, as well as other forums related to FF in general. With SE throwing out sacrificial lambs (in the form of forum mods) releasing only two statements, and the second being the same as the first, that SE is 'looking into the matter', doesn't evoke confidence among the playerbase as this will cause gamers to quit XI... with some saying conspiracy theories that SE is turning FFXI into JP only bs.


I've always been baffled by the hate everyone here seems to share for SE. They're the reason you're on this site, no?

When I first joined, the games SE were releasing were quite good (except for The Bouncer... that was pure shyte), but over the years, SE has made numerous failures (the biggest being Final Fantasy The Spirits Within, which cost Hironobu Sakaguchi (The father of Final Fantasy and former savior of Squaresoft in the 1980's) his position on the Board of Directors... and not long after that, his resignation from the company. Add in that other talent, Nobuo Uematsu for example, is no longer a employee of SE but a freelancer... SE is losing a lot.


I don't care what they do. They're releasing Deus Ex: Human Revolution. And honestly, they're not as bad as people have been making them out to be in the last couple of years. I've enjoyed both their original creations and what they've been simply publishing for the last couple of years.

Though if some people like the direction SE is heading nowadays, be my guest. The hammering of nails into SE's coffin began with the failure of FF:TSW... and it hasn't stopped.

I am shocked this thread is about something as trivial as a name change and not their region locking of Deus Ex Human Revolution on the PC.

I am shocked this thread is about something as trivial as a name change and not their region locking of Deus Ex Human Revolution on the PC.

No one really said anything about that after a ceartin point, It kinda mutated into a new beast lol. I dont even ask about stupid DRM anymore sigh.......

and here we go....



If that works for you, go ahead and have fun. I'm unaware of any private servers for FFXI, so that doesn't help one bit.



Final Fantasy XI Top 100 - Final Fantasy XI private servers, Final Fantasy XI downloads, Final Fantasy XI database and Final Fantasy XI sites. Top 100. Top 200. Top 10000. Top of Games. Private servers and game sites. Lineage2, Kalonline, Ragnarok On (http://topofgames.com/Final-Fantasy/)

choose one.
also, it doesnt work for me because i dont play this piece of shit.

I am shocked this thread is about something as trivial as a name change and not their region locking of Deus Ex Human Revolution on the PC.

Their what now...? Why haven't I heard anything about this?

Because the headline of this topic was about them changing their name most likely.

I lost faith in square before they became square enix.

It started with ff7 and ff8 and turned worse when they started milking ff7 with advent children dirge of cerberus the kingdom hearts games and then revenant wings FFXIII. FFXI.

Personally:Square enix Rip 2001.

One of the last good games made FFX and parasite eve 2.

Kingdom Hearts is one of the company's biggest games you know. So much that if they decide to release the Final Mix games outside of Japan that they would be sold out the first day or even before then from people pre-ordering it. I've asked people who don't like Kingdom Hearts why they didn't like it and a majority of them have never played it because there's Disney characters in it. Some said it was too kiddy but the situations and most of the emotional stress the "kids" (main characters like Sora, Riku, and Kairi) go through are pretty adult and their main gripe was just pretty much dialogue. Understandable but anyone who's actually played through the games know it's in a few places and are spread out to where it's not constant.

Think of it this way. Kingdom Hearts can change everything about the game besides plot and gameplay. This game can be made for a more mature audience and I'm sure if it was, there would be a lot more people playing it than the great numbers that do already.

But in future kingdom hearts,square enix has a bad reputation of ruining characters.

I heard in one game they made like squal minature was it? and cloud a giant or something.

In kh3,i saw what they did in a video to setzer,and i was mad at square enix.

I have no idea what you mean Squall minature. If anything it looks like he bulked up and is a few years older and Cloud a giant? IDK what you mean. KH is a lot easier to get into than Final Fantasy to most younger people (such as myself in 2003 and 2006) and was a critical and finacial hit that is still very memorable with younger people. FF7 and FF8, the Advent Children, and Dirge of Cerberus ruined SquareEnix? If anything thats what kept them finacially solvent through the years (with the exception of Dirge and add in Crisis Core) and relevant. If you ask most nonhardcore FF fan what their favorite FF is than I bet the answer is either FF7 or FF10. Hate on this all you want but I think that Square Enix isnt going as bad as some companies. I mean the sales and reception for FF13 was great, the online games not so much. I know I am probably just wrong or a bloody noob but I think Square Enix could be worse off as far as milking a particular iteration (in this case 7). <Rant Over>

The final reality? SquareEnix isn't going anywhere! Kingdom Hearts is still viable, very viable in fact. I just hate i can't play all the games cause some are on the DS. I used to be a real hater of the series a few years back until i played the first game and fell in love with it too. the Final Fantasy series? The only way you could kill that series is that Uematsu went polka and all the characters were gay emo fags!

As far as the company going downhill. Its a inevitable, all things fade, change, or die. But it won't be because of the current crop of games, or trivial legal shit.

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The final reality? SquareEnix isn't going anywhere! Kingdom Hearts is still viable, very viable in fact. I just hate i can't play all the games cause some are on the DS. I used to be a real hater of the series a few years back until i played the first game and fell in love with it too. the Final Fantasy series? The only way you could kill that series is that Uematsu went polka and all the characters were gay emo fags!

As far as the company going downhill. Its a inevitable, all things fade, change, or die. But it won't be because of the current crop of games, or trivial legal shit.

Nothing lasts forever Crysta, and the fact is SE IS losing a lot of money. Leaving FFXIV as free to play since it's release has made that game a financial sinkhole for the company. Add in the recent debacle with the new payment options for FFXI (One of the only stable and steady sources of income for the company atm), SE's scrabbling to try and recoup their losses. While that abomination that is Kingdom Hearts... may be viable, the flagship product for the company (the FF Series) is floundering.

SE will eventually fade into obscurity... it's inevitable. As Q said in the final episode of Star Trek The Next Generation, "All good things, must come to a end."

I lost faith in square before they became square enix.

It started with ff7 and ff8 and turned worse when they started milking ff7 with advent children dirge of cerberus the kingdom hearts games and then revenant wings FFXIII. FFXI.

Personally:Square enix Rip 2001.

One of the last good games made FFX and parasite eve 2.

To be fair, the "milking" of FF7 was in response to nonstop fan demand for remakes/sequels/movies/anime anything and everything related to FF7. They'd have been retarded NOT to make more FF7 stuff.

I understand the way you feel but people like you and I just grew up with different games and stuff changes over time. There's nothing inherently worse about square in the 2000s than square in the 90s.

The final reality? SquareEnix isn't going anywhere! Kingdom Hearts is still viable, very viable in fact. I just hate i can't play all the games cause some are on the DS.

As far as the company going downhill. Its a inevitable, all things fade, change, or die. But it won't be because of the current crop of games, or trivial legal shit.


This...

This is the best review of kingdom hearts 2 ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZsDUSxK5Fs

(I have never played Kingdom Hearts 2)

I liked Legend of Kage 2...

But in future kingdom hearts,square enix has a bad reputation of ruining characters.

I heard in one game they made like squal minature was it? and cloud a giant or something.

In kh3,i saw what they did in a video to setzer,and i was mad at square enix.
Where the hell are you getting your sources? Everything you said in this post is wrong. Kingdom Hearts 3 isn't even out yet.

Where the hell are you getting your sources? Everything you said in this post is wrong. Kingdom Hearts 3 isn't even out yet.

I only played a little of kingdom heart 1 but i saw a video of kingdom hearts with a ruined version of setzer who turned into a pompous asshole.

simple, SE gets bought by nintendo.
outcome: only quality games again. just like old times!

simple, SE gets bought by nintendo.
outcome: only quality games again. just like old times!

I would give you thumbs down for that or something like "Anti-Rep"... But there's no such function on this forum...

Yeah, fuck Nintendo. They're the Kings of Milked Franchises.

If that's the destiny of the company, then SE should be bought by Konami or Namco, hell even Capcom should buy SE before Nintendo does.

In fact, you know what, I still prefer SE right now over Nintendo.

There... I dropped the bomb I think.

They're the Kings of Milked Franchises.

Really? I'll have to look into that when I'm done playing Final Fantasy XXVIII-4.

What about all the remakes and portables of konami games like:castlevania?

Also:look at what they did to suikoden 4.

Really? I'll have to look into that when I'm done playing Final Fantasy XXVIII-4.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA


What about all the remakes and portables of konami games like:castlevania?

Also:look at what they did to suikoden 4.

I don't know nothing about Suiko 4. I've only played 1 & 2.

About Castlevania, well I won't deny you're right. But, Super Castlevania IV is a remake and it's the best Castlevania game IMO.

Also:look at what they did to suikoden 4.

Suikoden IV and Rhapsodia (Suikoden Tactics) were categorically pieces of excrement... They could've been better, but failed.


I don't know nothing about Suiko 4. I've only played 1 & 2.

Suikoden II is the best of the series... specially considering it has a 'Iron Chef' style minigame :D


About Castlevania, well I won't deny you're right. But, Super Castlevania IV is a remake and it's the best Castlevania game IMO.

I disagree... Castlevania Symphony of the Night is the best Castlevania game. Great gameplay and the soundtrack is superb.

This is the best review of kingdom hearts 2 ever

Mc Chris rants on KHII and RE4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZsDUSxK5Fs)

(I have never played Kingdom Hearts 2)

Lol that was amusing.

I actually HATED Kingdom Hearts II. The original was great and KHII just killed it for me...

And now Gamestop is fucking over SE and OnLive.

GameStop Discarding Deus Ex OnLive Coupons, News from GamePro (http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/222342/gamestop-discarding-deus-ex-onlive-coupons/)

And now Gamestop is fucking over SE and OnLive.

GameStop Discarding Deus Ex OnLive Coupons, News from GamePro (http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/222342/gamestop-discarding-deus-ex-onlive-coupons/)

Considering SE is fucking over all non JP FFXI gamers via forcing them into a bullshit payment option (wheras the JP gamers can still pay via direct payment, rest of the world can't), I think it's time someone did some fucking over to SE.

One of the last good games made FFX and parasite eve 2.
Final Fantasy 12 is one of the best games they've ever been involved with, so I don't think so.

Final Fantasy 12 is one of the best games they've ever been involved with, so I don't think so.

I never played FFXII and i don't want to either.

I've lost hope in square enix and i don't know if i will ever have faith in them again.

And now Gamestop is fucking over SE and OnLive.

GameStop Discarding Deus Ex OnLive Coupons, News from GamePro (http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/222342/gamestop-discarding-deus-ex-onlive-coupons/)

Here's my question:
How the FUCK is my game NEW if it has been opened already?

FUCK-THAT-SHIT.

Anytime I pre-order a game from GameStop and it's opened I DEMAND a refund or an unopened game.
Fuck them, it's my game, I want to open it.

I would give you thumbs down for that or something like "Anti-Rep"... But there's no such function on this forum...

Yeah, fuck Nintendo. They're the Kings of Milked Franchises.

If that's the destiny of the company, then SE should be bought by Konami or Namco, hell even Capcom should buy SE before Nintendo does.

In fact, you know what, I still prefer SE right now over Nintendo.


dropped the bomb you did, on noonegivesafuckistan.

you know why nintendo "milks" their franchises? because THEY SELL.
you wouldnt buy a zelda game? hell, everyone criticized windwaker for looking childish, yet everyone bought it.
dont get me started on pokemon

square(enix) games of today dont sell (a lot)

under nintendo, square gave us:

rad racer
final fantasy (series, until 6)
super mario rpg
chrono trigger
the first SaGa games (FF legend in USA)
secret of mana (FF adventure)
secret of mana 2
secret of evermore


and thats all the ones that made it here (that i either own or remember).

do you see a single game thats below excelent? i dont.

sorry but i wont buy final fantasy XXVIII-4 and its two upcoming expansions

i would also put enix's excellent nintendo history but ill leave it for later.

you know why nintendo "milks" their franchises? because THEY SELL.

Aha... So...? Meaning...?

Avatar selled a lot, does that make it a great awesome super+++ ultimate movie?



you wouldnt buy a zelda game? hell, everyone criticized windwaker for looking childish, yet everyone bought it.
dont get me started on pokemon

Yeah, I won't buy a Zelda game... Mainly because, the last good Zelda game was Majora's Mask maybe... And I've never really liked Zelda for instance. A Link to the Past and Majora's Mask were actually quite good, but I don't like Zelda in general at all.
And yeah, don't get me started on Pokemon either. One of the worst RPG series.



square(enix) games of today dont sell (a lot)
A lot like what?



under nintendo, square gave us:

rad racer
final fantasy (series, until 6)
super mario rpg
chrono trigger
the first SaGa games (FF legend in USA)
secret of mana (FF adventure)
secret of mana 2
secret of evermore

Super Nintendo was the Last great awesome that nintendo did. Afterwards, I'll just have to say Super Smash Brothers and I'm out.




and thats all the ones that made it here (that i either own or remember).

do you see a single game thats below excelent? i dont.

What do you mean, below excelent in terms of Quality?
Out of the ones you named there are a few that I haven't played them all.
But these are the ones that I don't consider them excelent or above excelent.

FF adventure.
FF Legend 1 & 2.
FFV, FFII
Secret of Evermore.
And of course, Super Mario RPG. But I guess that one does not count right?



sorry but i wont buy final fantasy XXVIII-4 and its two upcoming expansions

Me neither, but I would prefer to waste my money on that instead of another Zelda or Mario game. With Metroid I would give it some thought though.

you have very, VERY worrysome mental problems if you think the first secret of mana game or super mario RPG are below excellent.
oh, who am i kidding, im talking to a lost case.

never thought ill see the day but congrats, youre the first to join my ignore list.
the amout of stupidity emanating from you is something not even god from the first SaGa game could contain

you have very, VERY worrysome mental problems if you think the first secret of mana game or super mario RPG are below excellent.
oh, who am i kidding, im talking to a lost case.

never thought ill see the day but congrats, youre the first to join my ignore list.
the amout of stupidity emanating from you is something not even god from the first SaGa game could contain

I'll take all the responsability for saying what I've said about Nintendo in the first Place. But:

You have some very worrysome issues at arguing buddy if you evaluate or disqualify my thoughts or opinions by judging my mental capacity for just thinking different from you or anyone else who agrees with you on this...

Oh, who am I kidding, I'm talking to a lost case of Argumentum ad hominem.

Have it your way.

Nice weekend for you.

don't worry about rokusho. He's silly.

by your lie, TK, i assume he spewed bullshit and madness.

then again, saying squenix wouldnt be awesome (again) if they were first party (again) to nintendo is just that: bullshit and madness.

and to think i thought he was a normal and intelligent person.
hades, what has the world come to.

please dont let anyone outside the internet hear you say pokemon is bad.
you will be shot on sight (if not by me, then by everyone else including al gore)

Avatar selled a lot, does that make it a great awesome super+++ ultimate movie?

Avatar was a great awesome super+++ ultimate movie.

what he said was:


I'll take all the responsability for saying what I've said about Nintendo in the first Place. But:

You have some very worrysome issues at arguing buddy if you evaluate or disqualify my thoughts or opinions by judging my mental capacity for just thinking different from you or anyone else who agrees with you on this...

Oh, who am I kidding, I'm talking to a lost case of Argumentum ad hominem.

Have it your way.

Nice weekend for you.



I think you should calm down, most people wouldn't shoot someone for thinking pokemon is bad, neither would you, you're silly.

That's what happens when people try to shoot Pokemon...

That's what happens when people try to shoot Pokemon...

Best. Costume. Ever.

Also as bad as FFXIV currently is, I think Square-Enix are going to try and make it more like FFXI in future patches. Already it is more beneficial to grind in parties, but the next patch will be introducing skillchains (sound familiar?) and xp bonuses for linked mobs. A lot of people say that FFXIV is nothing like FFXI, but all I see are the similarities. Both games have me grinding and spamming /sh {Skill Point} {Party} {Please assist.} >.>

Just for the Sake of Trolling....


by your lie, TK, i assume he spewed bullshit and madness.

I'm flattered.



then again, saying squenix wouldnt be awesome (again) if they were first party (again) to nintendo is just that: bullshit and madness.

Nice... To be Mad...

“There is no great genius without some touch of madness.” - Seneca the Elder



and to think i thought he was a normal and intelligent person.

Eww.... Who wants to be normal? :shrugs:


hades, what has the world come to.

Industrialism, Consumism and Artificial Issues for the most part. Nothing too fancy.


please dont let anyone outside the internet hear you say pokemon is bad.
you will be shot on sight (if not by me, then by everyone else including al gore)

Wow, You wouldn't know how many times I've said openly outside the Internet how I despise Pokemon. They haven't shoot me yet... Figures...

And I always ended up smiling.

I like Pokemon, it's pretty cool.

So, Dues Ex has been pretty good.

I installed FFXIV but it's saying I need a registration code. I have no idea how to get one.

So, Dues Ex has been pretty good.

Honostly, it suprised me how good it was. More suprising is SE's rather chicken shit response to Gamestop throwing out the OnLive vouchers.

hell, everyone criticized windwaker for looking childish...

No, they didn't.

I did notice a lot of outcry over it when it was first unveiled. This was in the depths of the "Nintendo is a kiddie company" phase that people who'd grown up on PlayStation were perpetuating, so they were having a field day with it and a lot of Nintendo people were defensive and semi disappointed at the game's look because it gave the sony kids more ammunition.

I think people had mostly gotten over that by the time the game came out and everyone realized that it looked really good, though.

I'm aware people said it but it wasn't really the majority of people.

then you should look more.
right before the announcement, people (including myself) still had in our head the impressive fight between ganondorf and link in "super awesome graphics".
then they show powerpuff link.
REALLY?

then i played the game, and loved it.

Oh well....if this means the end of Square Enix, I will dance on the grave.

What the hell are you doing in a Final Fantasy Forum then?

What the hell are you doing in a Final Fantasy Forum then?

What the hell are you doing in a Final Fantasy Forum then?
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I'm skimming here, so what is everyone arguing about? Nintendo have made a sack-load of great games that I love dearly, and as have Square-Enix. They're both great and have both made mistakes. They also both 'milk' franchises, with some of the products of this 'milking' being good, some being not-so-good. But they're businesses: they wouldn't last if they looked at something that was successful and worked and said 'nah' for the sake of doing something brand-new and different, which everyone would probably complain and hate-on for being so different anyway. Sure, they can do something brand new and different alongside their successes, but they both already do this.

As for what would happen if Square-Enix became a first-party developer for Nintendo, we can't really tell if this would change their dynamic. I imagine it would in some part, but I'd mostly have a problem with this simply because my favourite Squeenix games were on Sony consoles.




What the hell are you doing in a Final Fantasy Forum then?
I'm not a Final Fantasy fan. I liked Final Fantasy 8, but really other than that, I've had next to no interest in the series.

What the hell are you doing in a Final Fantasy Forum then?

Could it be the massive amount of music here :confused:

square(enix) games of today dont sell (a lot)

under nintendo, square gave us:

rad racer
final fantasy (series, until 6)
super mario rpg
chrono trigger
the first SaGa games (FF legend in USA)
secret of mana (FF adventure)
secret of mana 2
secret of evermore


and thats all the ones that made it here (that i either own or remember).

do you see a single game thats below excelent? i dont.

sorry but i wont buy final fantasy XXVIII-4 and its two upcoming expansions

i would also put enix's excellent nintendo history but ill leave it for later.[/QUOTE]

There is just one problem with all of this:This is ancient history.
That was then,and the square or enix of before no longer exist,now its just squeenix.

2:Look at what square enix has done to final fantasy:

FFX-2
FFXIII
FF7 dirge of cerberus advent children and that phone game and that other movie that was unecessary and crisis core.

Its not like they have a good reputation right now.Also:look at what square enix did to characters in kingdom hearts 2.i saw a video of what they did to setzer from ff6,and i was not happy.
Just think of what they would do if they made a ps3 version of ff6.At this point and time,i do not trust square enix to even make a remake of a classic nostalgic games.

Enix was good when it was alone on nintendo.We got classics like:Terranigma and illusion of gaia which i love both btw.
Square i loved up untill ff8,then i didn't like them as much anymore.I really stopped liking square when they joined with enix and milkd ff7 to death.

Then again:maybe square enix will start making good games again,and maybe pigs will grow wings and fly,who knows.

Im pretty sure Human Revolution sold well considering all the adverts and great reviews. Its technically an Eidos game, but Eidos is Squre Enix's piece of meat.

I haven't tried human revolution game.

10 years ago,i might have,considering i still had faith in square,but i lost faith when they joined with enix.

I played Deus Ex Human Revolution over the weekend... and while it does have decent graphics and gameplay etc, I just couldn't get into it at all. Spent 10 hours on it, hoping it'd grow on me. It didn't. I will say it is a good game, just not my kind of game I guess...

I haven't tried human revolution game.

10 years ago,i might have,considering i still had faith in square,but i lost faith when they joined with enix.

It wasn't made by Square Enix, so you should reconsider.

It wasn't made by Square Enix, so you should reconsider.

...but as Eidos is a Square Enix Europe label, one could say that it was still made (in a roundabout way) by Square Enix though.

2:Look at what square enix has done to final fantasy:
FFX-2
FFXIII
FF7 dirge of cerberus advent children and that phone game and that other movie that was unecessary and crisis core.
Final Fantasy X-2 is a great game. S-E also made FFXII, which I'd say is my favourite FF. It's not all bad.

I played Deus Ex Human Revolution over the weekend... and while it does have decent graphics and gameplay etc, I just couldn't get into it at all. Spent 10 hours on it, hoping it'd grow on me. It didn't. I will say it is a good game, just not my kind of game I guess...

The only thing I dont like about it is character model graphics. They just dont seem right for some reason. I love the game though, the storyline and atmosphere are interesting for me at least, and Jenson's voice actor is pretty good imo.

The only thing I dont like about it is character model graphics. They just dont seem right for some reason. I love the game though, the storyline and atmosphere are interesting for me at least, and Jenson's voice actor is pretty good imo.

I do agree that the storyline/atmosphere and the voice acting are quite good, the graphics are pretty decent as well... There's just something about it, I didn't like for some reason. Like I said before, it IS a good game... just not my thing.

Hey, Im not trashing you for it :laugh:
At least you gave it a chance unlike the COD fanboys who say "OMG THERE IS NOT A SUPER HARDCORE BONER CHASE SCENE/GUNFIGHT EVERY 5 SECONDS!!!!!!!"

SE is on its way out, Atlus is now kind of like the 'new king' of the JRPG.

SE is on its way out, Atlus is now kind of like the 'new king' of the JRPG.

No! I needz moar Kingdom Hearts.

No! I needz moar Kingdom Hearts.

HE MENTIONED KINGDOM HEARTS!!!!!! GET THE TORCHES AFTER HIM!!!!!

Nah, but seriously, KH3 would be a great oppurtunity for Square.

I think that any success that Eidos has with its new games (DE:HR and Tomb Raider reboot) will transfer over to the other departments.

HE MENTIONED KINGDOM HEARTS!!!!!! GET THE TORCHES AFTER HIM!!!!!

Nah, but seriously, KH3 would be a great oppurtunity for Square.

I think that any success that Eidos has with its new games (DE:HR and Tomb Raider reboot) will transfer over to the other departments.

They f-up'ed the series by making all the games on hand-helds. BBS should have definitely been a console released game; not sure about 358/2 Days though as the gameplay seemed pretty basic for hand-held standards. As of a fan of the series, if they offered ports of these games as DLC, I would be on board for buying them.

HE MENTIONED KINGDOM HEARTS!!!!!! GET THE TORCHES AFTER HIM!!!!!
One thing good about being a Silent Shriner is that none of us are alone!

SILENT SHRINERS UNITE!!!


They f-up'ed the series by making all the games on hand-helds. BBS should have definitely been a console released game; not sure about 358/2 Days though as the gameplay seemed pretty basic for hand-held standards. As of a fan of the series, if they offered ports of these games as DLC, I would be on board for buying them.

I do agree that BBS could've been on the PS2 (and probably would've made the controls a little easier but luckily it wasn't bad or anything either) but I'm glad it was on the PSP instead. That way, I have a new game to play when doing my morning duty ;). And 358/2 Days was, I think, perfect for the DS. It was still fun to play and was good for it being a handheld. BBS was too but it really didn't NEED to be on the PSP. But I can hook it up to my TV anyways so I'm good either way lol

They f-up'ed the series by making all the games on hand-helds. BBS should have definitely been a console released game; not sure about 358/2 Days though as the gameplay seemed pretty basic for hand-held standards. As of a fan of the series, if they offered ports of these games as DLC, I would be on board for buying them.

I rented the first kingdom hearts and thought it was decent.The concept of using disney character actually interested me since it hadn't been done to death yet,but i didn't get it in the end because i wasn't that interested in what it had to offer all together.

No! I needz moar Kingdom Hearts.
Eh, the series is decent but the whole of KH combine isn't even worthy to be in the SHADOW of Persona 3:FES.

Yeah but in the form of mass apeal which is higher? Kingdom Hearts, that game with all your favorite Disney and Final Fantasy characters or Persona, that oddball hardcore JRPG that is unknown to people that arent hardcore gamers?

Never played Persona myself, but its good from what I hear on the webz.

Yeah but in the form of mass apeal which is higher? Kingdom Hearts, that game with all your favorite Disney and Final Fantasy characters or Persona, that oddball hardcore JRPG that is unknown to people that arent hardcore gamers?
Never played Persona myself, but its good from what I hear on the webz.
Eh, the appeal, which I can understand with a game like KH, doesn't make a game good...or bad.
MADDEN has HUGE appeal, but I - uck...I've got nothing for contempt for the series.

Also, P3/4 aren't really 'hardcore' - sure, they take some thinking beyond 'PRESS X! PRESS X!' - but if that's all an RPG takes to play - why even play the game?

Exactly, Im not talking about critical success, Im talking finacial success. The only real thing a company needs.

Exactly, Im not talking about critical success, Im talking finacial success. The only real thing a company needs.
And usually, something that's a money maker is good in the majority's eyes.

And who was bashing Crisis Core?? I can't remember and am pressed for time but that game kicks the shit out of the original FFVII. At least it made me want to play it again after beating it where as FFVII put me to sleep almost constantly.

square(enix) games of today dont sell (a lot)

under nintendo, square gave us:

rad racer
final fantasy (series, until 6)
super mario rpg
chrono trigger
the first SaGa games (FF legend in USA)
secret of mana (FF adventure)
secret of mana 2
secret of evermore


and thats all the ones that made it here (that i either own or remember).

do you see a single game thats below excelent? i dont.

sorry but i wont buy final fantasy XXVIII-4 and its two upcoming expansions

i would also put enix's excellent nintendo history but ill leave it for later.

There is just one problem with all of this:This is ancient history.
That was then,and the square or enix of before no longer exist,now its just squeenix.

2:Look at what square enix has done to final fantasy:

FFX-2
FFXIII
FF7 dirge of cerberus advent children and that phone game and that other movie that was unecessary and crisis core.

Its not like they have a good reputation right now.Also:look at what square enix did to characters in kingdom hearts 2.i saw a video of what they did to setzer from ff6,and i was not happy.
Just think of what they would do if they made a ps3 version of ff6.At this point and time,i do not trust square enix to even make a remake of a classic nostalgic games.

Enix was good when it was alone on nintendo.We got classics like:Terranigma and illusion of gaia which i love both btw.
Square i loved up untill ff8,then i didn't like them as much anymore.I really stopped liking square when they joined with enix and milkd ff7 to death.

Then again:maybe square enix will start making good games again,and maybe pigs will grow wings and fly,who knows.[/QUOTE]


This what your talking about IDX, cuz he is like the only person to ever hold such a critcal position on Square Enix other than myself (I however just really dont care about FF and JRPGs in general just due to disinterest)

Exactly, Im not talking about critical success, Im talking finacial success. The only real thing a company needs.
Maybe for short-term, but keep pissing fans off, or catering to the 'fad gamers', and at some point you'll be...well...

When is the last time anyone here was excited about a LucasArts game?

I didnt say it was a good business model, just what their model is.

Dont mention George Nochin.

I didnt say it was a good business model, just what their model is. Dont mention George Nochin.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ???

When is the last time anyone here was excited about a LucasArts game?

Sam & Max: Hit The Road, The Dig, Full Throttle, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, the Monkey Island series etc... LucasArts made great games, before GL got it in his head (maybe because his hair and beard have taken root in his brain) to focus solely on the Star Wars games. Games like X-Wing and TIE Fighter were great, but later Star Wars titles... wtf?

Sam & Max: Hit The Road, The Dig, Full Throttle, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, the Monkey Island series etc... LucasArts made great games, before GL got it in his head (maybe because his hair and beard have taken root in his brain) to focus solely on the Star Wars games. Games like X-Wing and TIE Fighter were great, but later Star Wars titles... wtf?

Grim Fandango was the last awesome Graphic Adventure game by Lucasarts.

About the SW games, I still think that Jedi Outcast is the top3 if not the best SW game.
And the Battlefront Series were great for multiplayer.

I personally think that there's nothing wrong with the latter SW titles, Save The Force Unleashed... That one did not managed to pick my attention.

Back to SE, I dont think they are in as much trouble as what people think. But I could be wrong and it be a pycho ward in there.

Eh, the series is decent
I'd say calling KH decent is being a little generous. The only game in the series that's any good (and I actually like it a fair bit) is the original.

Exactly, Im not talking about critical success, Im talking finacial success. The only real thing a company needs.

Financial success is nice and all,but without quality,its just quantity over quality.

It sort of like those big blockbuster movies that come out with loads of special effects have no story and next to no character development.
Sure its entertaining for half an hour to an hour,but thats all it becomes:Mindless entertainment.

Square enix used to have financial success before they fucked up with that movie of theirs:spirits within and had to merge with enix because they lost so much money and then squeenix started to fuck that up by making games like FFXIII,which has some popularity.

MY favorite quote somewhere on youtube(i need to stop watching so many youtube videos) If you give a fanboy piss he will drink it all up and collect it as memorabilia.Some people are mindless and will buy anything regardless of it being good or bad.These kinds of people give a bad rep to gamers who like quality rpgs.

I myself have tried stuff other than square and enix in the gaming:The ultima series the konami suikoden series for an example.For all i know,maybe there is a new game series i might like,who knows.I know this:after 20 years or more of square,i kind of grew up with them and trusted them for a long time.Heck,i made the biggest mistake in buying the xbox 360 and buying FFXIII.I should have read the reviews and such and perhaps tried the demo even.This is kind of why i pirate games too,because i'm sick of finding out a game sucks after buying it.Some games i will buy happily like:The entire ultima series along with ultima underworld 1 and 2 or:I'd happily buy breath of fire 4 which i am a fan of since it was new.

XIII Versus has the gameplay of KH right? I'm interested on that one...

Mostly because it's FF and not KH. The possibilities of a bad story and Characters will not be reduced by all means. But at least I can hope that there wouldn't be such parts that make me want to turn off the console like "The Little Mermaid" parts. But I can find some Spice Girls stuff of X-2 as well.
The thing is it will have KH gameplay which is something good IMO.

I'd say calling KH decent is being a little generous. The only game in the series that's any good (and I actually like it a fair bit) is the original.

You didn't like KH2? I thought they improve a lot on the gameplay in that one (as well as the soundtrack). Granted the worlds seemed a little shorter, but they made up for a bit by having a bit more and having you visit them on separate occasions.

You didn't like KH2? I thought they improve a lot on the gameplay in that one (as well as the soundtrack). Granted the worlds seemed a little shorter, but they made up for a bit by having a bit more and having you visit them on separate occasions.
To me, the first Kingdom Hearts is the best. KH2 made things too easy with the addition of the "reaction command". Sure it was more flashy, but I preferred the challenge the first game had. But I thought overall the first soundtrack was better. I did like a few other songs on the second and a few changes they made to some themes, but not enough for me to like.

And I like the way Squall looked without his furry collar lol

i like the KH series.
what i dont like is the fanbase.
its ff7 all over again: excellent game, FUCKING FANBASE.

To me, the first Kingdom Hearts is the best. KH2 made things too easy with the addition of the "reaction command". Sure it was more flashy, but I preferred the challenge the first game had. But I thought overall the first soundtrack was better. I did like a few other songs on the second and a few changes they made to some themes, but not enough for me to like.
Pretty much the same here, Kingdom Hearts II was great but I prefered the original and its soundtrack; maybe just because I played that one a lot more and was really in to it when it came out.


i like the KH series.
what i dont like is the fanbase.
its ff7 all over again: excellent game, FUCKING FANBASE.
Agreed, but it's the same with a lot of things really I guess.

You didn't like KH2? I thought they improve a lot on the gameplay in that one (as well as the soundtrack). Granted the worlds seemed a little shorter, but they made up for a bit by having a bit more and having you visit them on separate occasions.

What about what the programmers did to setzer? you want a total rape of any good character in such a way?

I dunno bout you,but i think its also about time they don't include sephiroth or cloud in every fucking kingdom hearts game.

Omg they messed up a character!

Its a videogame, its not the end of the world.

What about what the programmers did to setzer? you want a total rape of any good character in such a way?

I dunno bout you,but i think its also about time they don't include sephiroth or cloud in every fucking kingdom hearts game.

Well, I never played any FF game, so I had very little reference as to who Sephiroth and Cloud were. Really didn't care that much to investigate. All I really know about them is what people mention in the forums.

well i suggest you play ff7.
like i said, its an excellent game.
its gonna be hard, but try to not have the fucking fanbase in mind when/if you play it.

i cant play ff7 and not feel kind of lame anymore (thanks to the fanbase)

Tried replaying FF7. My eyes burned with those polygons. Oy.

If you have a PC version theres a nice little mod that replaces a lot of graphics irc.

However base PC version is glitched as hell :laugh:

FF7 is an ok game.

Overrated as hell by square enix milking it to death by putting cloud in every product they can like: ff tactics and kingdom hearts,but its ok.

I personally am curious about that eidos game:Deus Ex,human revolution.

Deus ex looks like it might be more alike the american rpgs,but i can't be sure because i haven't seen a full lets play of it.I at least hope it is more americanized since i like american rpgs.

It is americanized, think a stealth-RPG-Shooter, you can be all guns out all the time or sneak or do a combination. Its said a single playthrough on easy is about 20 hours and there are choices throughout with at least 5 endings.

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Oh and upgrading your augments for hacking, shooting, health, energy, vision, and etc systems like a personal defence explosive disperser.

Meh... have no desire to play any FF games. Just never caught my attention.

The FF games were good in their day... now, don't even bother with any of them.

Meh... have no desire to play any FF games. Just never caught my attention.

I thought I was alone in here :laugh:

i cant play ff7 and not feel kind of lame anymore (thanks to the fanbase)

Man, way to sum it up :laugh: I still plan to play the game through again one of these days, because through the smog of fanaticism, the game is still fun. True, the graphics are sorely outdated (and IMO are the worst in the entire series–yes, even counting the 2-d SNES and NES titles), but they at least get the point across . . . I think. I loved it before the fanbase made itself known to me, still like it now, although I will say some rabid fanboys have killed my appetite for Meteor-chasin' the way I used to enjoy it.

I have to agree with earlier posters but, name change doesnt mean anything lol.

If the company dies due to poor decisions than yes it will die, nothing's gonna change cause of a name change though.


Also +1 to its not cool to be square :(

P.S. The day SE announced FFXI as a online game was when SE started going down hill imo. The fact that they made FFXIV a online game is proof that they didnt learn from their mistakes from FFXI.

They should of separately released FF Online gaming. (i.e. Final Fantasy Online and Final Fantasy Online 2 rather than branding it part of the main series).

It really doesn't make a difference that the online games are placed in the main series.

No difference at all.

Nothing would be different if they were branded spinoff games.

NOTHING. WHY DO PEOPLE THINK ANYTHING WOULD CHANGE? IT WOULD BE THE SAME.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

So in other words, it would still suck?

P.S. The day SE announced FFXI as a online game was when SE started going down hill imo. The fact that they made FFXIV a online game is proof that they didnt learn from their mistakes from FFXI.

Speaking only for myself, SE's decline started not with FFXI, but with the failing of FF The Spirits Within movie.


They should of separately released FF Online gaming. (i.e. Final Fantasy Online and Final Fantasy Online 2 rather than branding it part of the main series).

I think FIGHT SMACK IN THE ORPHANAGE summed it up best, when he responded to this.

I just hope if SE goes under, that Eidos will be able to recover on its own. In spite of my earlier thoughts, Deus Ex HR turned out to be a quality game.

Hopefully we can see more of the same from Eidos and SE.