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327.2mb 7 tracks in Windows lossless
track list:

1 ELORA DANAN
2 ESCAPE FROM THE TAVERN
3 WILLOW'S JOURNEY BEGINS
4 CANYON OF MAZES
5 TIR ASLEEN
6 WILLOW'S THEME
7 BAVMORDA'S SPELL IS CAST

I bought the CD to this, but just wanna say: "Wiillllllllooowww, you eejit!"
lol i think this is one of my top scores of Horner's. So magical!
+Rep (im all out of rep)

Sorry, should be 8 tracks, not 7. Here is the missing track

8 Willow the Sorcerer:

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Hmph. Missing this cuts just about 12 min out of the album. Sorry.

AAARGH, WAV... Why, why, why???

Well, what is it you want? My discs are well played, and flac is not an option.

Might I ask why FLAC is not an option? There is no earthly reason to upload WAV... ;)

I am immensely grateful of course, but I am having a hard time understanding the logic behind your choice of file format...

:) TT :)

AAARGH, WAV... Why, why, why???
Do I sense a bit of sarcasm? :P

EDIT
Ok, apparently I failed :D I thought WAV files were the perfect, untouched, lossless containers? There's nothing wrong with it, a compressed album in WAV has nearly - if not the same - size of a FLAC encode... And since, supposedly, one wants lossless in order to archive or burn a copy, the lady saved some time to those folks, giving the thing ready to process, no need for extra conversions :D

Thanks for the share, babydoll.

Sorry? WAV files are perfect, untouched, lossless cointainers. FLAC files are exactly the same thing - other than the obvious advantage of being less than half the size of the uncompressed original!

It takes ten seconds to turn a FLAC into WAV, if that's what you need to do - and I do understand why folk may need it - but potentially an extra half an hour to download that useless data, depending on the speed of your internet connection. For people who have obnoxious internet service providers watching every byte they download,

Granted, the RAR compression does help... in this case, it takes the raw WAV files (total size 739mb) down to 391mb, but compressing them properly to FLAC yields an archive of 330mb - so that is 61mb of completely redundant data. 61mb may not mean much to you if you have unrestricted, unmonitored, unthrottled access to the internet... but nevertheless, the simple question remains - why?

I am not being an asshole, nor am I ungrateful for the post... As I indicated, I just do not understand the purpose behind uploading WAV.

Babydoll: Would you object to me uploading a FLAC mirror into this thread for the benefit of folk who will appreciate it? Not to treat on your toes or anything - just to provide an alternative. I'm at work right now so it would probably take about six seconds to upload. ;)

Peace :)

As for the score... HOW I MISS HORNER writing like this! Glorious music.

see your pm

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But, before i had the pc, I actually played the discs. A lot. All the time.repeatedly. So now, the look worn. They still play fine, but EAC cannot verify accuracy, so no one wanted them. So wav it ids....and also, they were already ripped into the library that way, so instead of pulling out boxes of discs, I went with what was up and ready to go...

I still don't understand. The WAV rip is *exactly* the same quality as the FLAC rip, except unnecessarily huge.

Sorry? WAV files are perfect, untouched, lossless cointainers. FLAC files are exactly the same thing - other than the obvious advantage of being less than half the size of the uncompressed original!

It takes ten seconds to turn a FLAC into WAV, if that's what you need to do - and I do understand why folk may need it - but potentially an extra half an hour to download that useless data, depending on the speed of your internet connection. For people who have obnoxious internet service providers watching every byte they download,

Granted, the RAR compression does help... in this case, it takes the raw WAV files (total size 739mb) down to 391mb, but compressing them properly to FLAC yields an archive of 330mb - so that is 61mb of completely redundant data. 61mb may not mean much to you if you have unrestricted, unmonitored, unthrottled access to the internet... but nevertheless, the simple question remains - why?

I am not being an asshole, nor am I ungrateful for the post... As I indicated, I just do not understand the purpose behind uploading WAV.

Babydoll: Would you object to me uploading a FLAC mirror into this thread for the benefit of folk who will appreciate it? Not to treat on your toes or anything - just to provide an alternative. I'm at work right now so it would probably take about six seconds to upload. ;)

Peace :)

As for the score... HOW I MISS HORNER writing like this! Glorious music.

Put any mirrors you think best. I am posting these just to get them out there to folks, and this thread being created provided the best option. Mirror away, the more back-ups, the better.

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I still don't understand. The WAV rip is *exactly* the same quality as the FLAC rip, except unnecessarily huge.

I understand, but those I ripped Flac were turned down due to the cue logs and eac stuff. They didn't want it, so I shun the extra learning curve.....

Thank you:

James Horner - WILLOW (FLAC, all tracks including 8.)

Download Willow.rar from Mirrorcreator - Upload files to multiple file sharing sites (http://www.mirrorcreator.com/files/1YAZWKTT/Willow.rar_links)

I still don't understand. The WAV rip is *exactly* the same quality as the FLAC rip, except unnecessarily huge.

And if you rip with EAC in secure mode and the rip completes without error, that is a guarantee of an accurate rip. That's the whole point of EAC. All the AccurateRip does is tell you that your rip is the same as somebody else's. Which is no guarantee of accuracy; only a guarantee that your rip turned out the same way somebody else's did.

Folk who turn down FLAC rips because of that fundamentally do not understand the way EAC works, what it does, or why it exists. Folk who turn down a FLAC rip but happily consume a WAV rip need to have their heads examined.

Don't compromise doing the correct thing to appease ungrateful people who don't know what they're talking about... :)

THANK YOU for your excellent rip. :)

Sorry? WAV files are perfect, untouched, lossless cointainers. FLAC files are exactly the same thing - other than the obvious advantage of being less than half the size of the uncompressed original!
Yeah, I knew that. I want to apologize for my previous post, I didn't want to let you pass as an ungrateful one.... I was merely pointing a remote, but still plausible reason for the RAW data upload. Maybe she encountered problems while using the FLAC encoder? If that's the case, there are alternatives to that.... Apple Lossless, True Lossless Audio Codec...

EDIT
Don't put too much... err "trust"... in things like LOG/CUE... Even if you don't have a corrispondence with the AccurateRip, that doesn't mean your rip is bad... Maybe it's just a different pressing from the one stored in the database.

No harm done, my friend.

It seems like the reason is over-zealous nutcases who don't understand what FLAC is or how EAC works, making unreasonable demands, and Babydoll (being a nice, friendly person who genuinely cares about making people happy) therefore taking those demands on board...

Never mind, though... :)

Edit RE your edit: EXACTLY. Suppose somebody makes a bad rip and submits that to the database? Then I make my rip, and it's a good rip, and it doesn't correspond with what's in the database - and I think I have a *bad* rip! It is absolute nonsense. EAC in secure mode, assuming it makes it to the end of the disc without any errors, IS doing an accurate rip. You don't need to compare your results against a database of results logged by completely random people (who may have dirty CDs, a broken drive, improperly configured EAC, etc, etc, etc) to know that. :)

thanks for the file in lossless!!!!!!!!1 i really dont care what format it is, as they all convert between each other just fine. i'm just quite ecstatic that people are uploading lossless!

oh for the day when apple begins lossless downloads!

Hey thanks baby !

I don't download much stuff from here and here was very curious as I didn't know that score at all. I' m listening to it right now and have to say I'm quite impressed.
The compositions are very agreable music, and the mixing and perf. are very great.

Then I just checked amazon to see if it's still available, and not only it is, but it's cheap.

However I read some reviews from the customers, and one especially attracted my attention... And I know by experience that this guy is probably right.

Let's go for the quote:


Modern film scores frustrate me, because they often 'borrow' heavily from existing classical music. Sometimes this is intentional - George Lucas basically told John Williams to mimic certain pieces by Holst and Stravinsky for 'Star Wars' - but other times I can't help but believe it's due to a lack of originality on the composer's part.

Take the score for Willow. 'Willow's Theme' is an almost EXACT reproduction of the first movement theme of Schumann's 3rd Symphony. The time signature and orchestration are a bit different, but the melody and chord progression are exactly the same. Schumann's music is in the public domain, conveniently enough, which means copyright laws don't apply - so James Horner does not have to give credit to Schumann at all.

As a result, you've got thousands if not millions of people out there believing that the sweeping, heroic 'Willow's Theme' is due to James Horner's brilliance. It's actually due to his laziness/unoriginality/dubious ethics. At other times, this score is a shameless imitation of Samuel Barber.

I could literally write 50 Amazon reviews where I point out all the stealing that Horner, Goldsmith, Newman, Shore, and John Williams do for their film scores, but I won't do that. If this music is enjoyable to you, that's fine - but why settle for a stolen, dilluted, cheapened version of classical music when you can listen to the real thing? Vaughan Williams, Samuel Barber, Holst, Ravel's 'Daphnis et Chloe' - basically all early 20th-century composers - form the basis of today's film score idiom. Once you listen to the real thing, most movie soundtracks will reveal themselves to be trite garbage.

I admit that it's difficult to compose any orchestral music in this day and age that does not, at least in a small way, seem to reference the great composers. But lifting an entire melody and chord progression is not accidental imitation, it's deliberate plagiarism, and as the many reviews of this score indicate, most fans of music like this are simply ignorant of real classical music. This is not a judgment, just a provable fact. I've been called a snob by film score lovers that I know, but at least two of them actually sought out the music I told them was stolen from, and had to admit that they were disappointed in the score composer and thought they were a bit lame.

So you may believe I'm a snob - that's up to you - but what I'm saying is the absolute truth, and I invite you to prove me wrong.


... So in the end, you know what ? I think I'm on my way leaving the soundtracks spheres and finally sacrifice a few bills for some of these grand composers recordings, what I've always said I was going to do, but never did. I think they'll last and stand far longer than any soundtracks I've been able to reach through this place. ;-)

Well, all I can say, is I enjoy it. I also enjoy classical. Both equally. I figure, that's all that really matters. For me, anyway.

Anything John Williams does is homage, anything James Horner does is plagiarism. Goldsmith re-using his own music is clever, Horner re-using his own music is lazy.

That's the typical opinion of the average film music fan.

Film soundtracks and original classical music have very different purposes and its not fair to compare them in this way.

The film composer's art is in tailoring music to fit the context of a film and hopefully give it extra emotional depth. Classical music is designed to be listened to on its own ideally played by a live orchestra.

Also, because the listener associates a soundtrack with the movie they know, it gives it more meaning for them and therefore extra emotional context. If this brings people to listen to classical composers, so much the better but I think they appeal to different people. If you grow up with movies you'll like soundtracks, if you grow up with classical music, you'll love that instead.

You can bet that if any classical composers were alive today, they would probably be composing for movies because that's where the bigger audience is (and the money)!

Also, because the listener associates a soundtrack with the movie they know, it gives it more meaning for them and therefore extra emotional context. If this brings people to listen to classical composers, so much the better but I think they appeal to different people. If you grow up with movies you'll like soundtracks, if you grow up with classical music, you'll love that instead.


Actually some of my favourite music soundtracks are from movies which i've never seen nor have any interest in seeing, e.g. The Final Conflict.
I firmly believe that the large majority of movie soundtracks can work as a stand alone listen entity outside of the context they were originally written. On the other hand, one of the best movies of the last year 'The Social Network', is an absolutely dreadful experience if that soundtrack is listened outside of the movie.
So my point is, a listener can experience movie soundtracks, regardless the quality of the movie and its context, as much as any piece of classic music and enjoy them in the same way.

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Thank you for seeing to it, my friend. Saved me a bit of time this week.

Awesome! Thanks babydoll and jacksbrain.

Oddly enough, following the thread has led me to reacquire an appreciation of the classical music and composers that Mr Horner 'borrows' from so freely. I rediscovered Vaughan Williams Fantasia on Tallis and Schummann's 3rd
Symphony and Bedrich Smetana's Die Moldau and thoroughly enjoying them! Willow is a great introduction to the works of others and for that I actually think James Horner requires some thanks for bringing all this timeless music to modern audiences. Same happened for me when I discovered Gayane's Adagio - Khachaturian - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ZBSdjzKfk) -Gayane's Adagio used in Aliens and earlier in 2001: A Space Odyssey by the wonderful Maestro Khachaturian.

Keep cool,

Ummphoo

Thanks upload.

There's a lot of unreleased music from that one!
On top of it, the action cue when the heros escape from the snowy mountain.
Fun and epic! This one is on my top "wish list" for any Horner's unreleased cue!

This is absolutely one of my favorite scores...I would love it if someone could share the FLAC release since links are dead.

Thank you

Reup here:

http://www.peeje.com/files/361422743/JH-1988.W-FLAC-.rar.htm (http://www.peeje.com/files/361422743/JH-1988.W-FLAC-.rar.html)l

thank you

Thank you

Thanks Jacksbrain! :)

OK... now you've all done it. I just have to find Schumann's 3rd... ;)

Thanks a lot!!!

Hi, would an upload to an existing hoster be possible?

Hi, would an upload to an existing hoster be possible?

Re-upload of the FLAC files including the covers:

part1 (http://www.mediafire.com/?p3ndlsv713h4uh8)
part2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?a8utdfi85anwu0d)

Even with the hilarious Schumann rip-off, this is Horner's greatest score. Full stop.

Thanks

Thanks man : D !

thank you for re-upload :)

Thanks for the re-upload, Jacksbrain!

thanks :)

thanks

Thank you Amanda and jacksbrain.

Thank you! This is awesome!

thansk for upload and share!

Thank you so much!

Thanks for the upload and new links...this was one of the first CD's I ever bought and played it over and over and over, still love it today!!

Thanks for sharing. Never got around to seeing the movie due to the bad reviews it got (and the fact that George Lucas was involved). So that means I've also missed out on this (reportedly) wonderful score. Hopefully it lives up to the hype.

Thanks for the re-up! and... the movie wasn't that bad... I also recall one of these action cues used in the trailer for Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves way back when...

Thanks

Thanks for the re-up, Jacksbrain!

Agree!!!...
&
Thanks to Amanda too, for the thread!!!... :)

Thanks!

thanks a lot both OP + re up

Thank you very much! :)