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1 THEME FROM BATTLESTAR GALACTICA
2 EXPLORATION
3 LAUNCH
4 CYLON FREIGHTER
5 END OF ATLANTIA
6 IMPERIOUS LEADER
7 DESTRUCTION OF PEACE
8 MY GOD!
9 RESIDUE OF WAR
10 EXODUS ONE
11 BOXEY AND SERINA
12 CYLON BASESHIP
13 EXTERMINATION
14 SUFFERING
15 CASSIOPEA AND STARBUCK
16 CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE
17 BOXEY'S PROBLEM
18 URI-THE POLITICIAN
19 THE DEATH OF BALTOR
20 FOLLOW ME
21 SENSELESS KILLING
22 SEX AT LAST
23 THE READY ROOM
24 MINES...RED NOVA
25 ARRIVAL ON CARILLON
26 DARK SHADOWS
27 OUTER SPACE DISCO
28 CAPTURED
29 OVIAN LYRE
30 ADAMA'S NARRATIVE
31 GALACTIC ROCK
32 ELEVATOR TROUBLE
33 CONTEMPT
34 MISSED HER LEVEL
35 CUBIT SHUFFLE
36 ESCAPE FROM THE OVIAN MINES
37 DASH TO THE ELEVATOR
38 SCRAMBLE TO SAFETY
39 RED AND BLUE-PURPLE AND ORANGE
40 LET'S GO HOME
41 EXPLORATION (TV EDIT WITH THEME)
42 BATTLESTAR GALACTICA BUMPER

I don't wish to start trouble again... so I won't say what I'm thinking... I'll just think it and hope that you pick up my transmission...

I am not sure. But, if you mean posting new releases, I get you. I have had this a week or so, but waited to share it here until it started showing up on other sites. It is on three or so I see offhand now. I know, that doesn't mean we should do it, but I figured now it is out, it was only a matter of time anyway.

I do respect your feelings about it though.

Assuming I read you, and I am not sure.

So, I guess the question is what to do about these kinds of releases. I am pretty sure, since it is on other sites, it would have been posted by the end of today, or tomorrow at the latest. And we all know that the majority of those here are just going to be happy to get it, as opposed to any sort of, "code of ethics" for lack of a better term. I think it is always going to be that way unless an official limit to new releases is put in place by admin. I enjoy sharing, and childish though this sounds, it is nice to put up something people really want. So, should I and a few others, just refrain, on principal, only to see them posted anyway? I am curious on your thoughts, please don't censor yourself just for me. Discussion is good, mostly.

To be frank, I have two problems which aren't entirely compatible. First is that I disapprove of seeing virtually-zero day releases from small record labels - the labels who depend on income and for whom, literally, every sale helps and every lost sale hurts.
Secondly, I am concerned from a self-preservation-society point of view... This stuff is going to get shared whether I like it or not, and I can't do anything about it... but I'd rather some other site got in trouble, and not this one, for a change... We're not the biggest, or the most guilty, or the most unfriendly, but we are the most watched - all thanks to FSM spies and such. It's not helped by the fact that half of FSM are actually members here... all it takes is one pissed off person and they're knocking on Lukas Kendall's door telling him gleefully that those thieving scumbags are at it again.

BSG will sell out... FAST... so it's less of an issue. RJ box was unique, of course, because it was selling badly and Kendall needed a scapegoat. He couldn't admit to himself that his pet project just didn't have the sales appeal he had hoped for, and so lashed out at the first other source of blame he could find - US. Never mind the fact that that Godforsaken box set has now been copied more times than the picture of the tennis girl scratching her butt, and almost 0% of those copies were our fault. He saw red, and we were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I very much doubt that much would've been said if the box had sold out in ten seconds flat... (After all - when all is said and done... if Lukas makes 3,000 copies and sells 3,000 copies - no amount of piracy is going to have the slightest impact on his bank balance. It's about money in the end. If it doesn't hurt you, you don't care.)

If somebody wants to find this release, it can be found - easily - elsewhere... The only difference is when Lukas or somebody decides to go Googling randomly for pirated copies of theiralbums... they won't find this site and therefore won't pursue any lawsuits, etc. (Yeah, I know - they're all blow and no go - nothing happened with the RJ set, nothing happened with Eddavi, nothing happened with Chris Tilton, nothing happened with Clinton Shorter, nothing happened with VGM Live... but one day, it might. I love the Shrine and I don't want to see it obliterated just because it was being used as a mirror service for some illegal downloads already available in a thousand different places.)

Does that make any sense?

Peace (and truce, I hope) :)
TT

Of course it makes sense. And always a truce. I miss talking to you, I truly do. And, you have valid points.

I think Intrada is a little bit less of a worry than other labels simply because most stuff they release tends to sell out eventually. This one is a lot of copies and maybe some users here could find that its what they love after listening and maybe buy it.

I do think this is a wonderfully thematic orchestral score that everyone should listen to one way or another and try to snag a copy ASAP.

Well, since most of these releases do sell out pretty quickly... and they get pirated regardless - one can deduce that piracy is not to blame when something doesn't...

One of the reasons I worry about Intrada is because a) they hang around FSM, b) they're good mates with Kendall, c) they already hate us because of the RJ box (see Fiegelson's throwing-toys-out-of-pram "I was going to release a thousand different Star Trek CDs but now I won't, because FFshrine copied the RJ box ten times!")

All nonsense, of course... the RJ box didn't sell because it didn't have the mass appeal Kendall thought it did. From a business perspective, he cocked up, and tried to blame piracy for the lack of sales, when in fact the answer was far closer to home. Release 14 discs of something people aren't particularly interested in, and slap a $150 price tag on it... that'll sell out overnight(!)

How Have sales of that been, anyone know?

Have you heard about Neil Gaiman? He's a book writer. Not long ago he gave an interview on piracy. He says at first he was pissed off because of unauthorised copying of his work. Then he realised that where the books were "pirated" their sells went up. Unfortunately not every author (or record label) understands that.

YouTube - Gaiman on Copyright Piracy and the Web (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI)

I just hit on an author, who wrote a book called "Sandman Slim", and after three months for sale, he released it on AMAZON as a FREE pdf download! They had it for a limited one month download, but when the sales soared, they just kept it up. They did the same for Sandman Slim 2, Kill the dead! Both of them are GREAT novels, I would recommend them for all to read, anyway, when people can read a book on their IPAD or phone, or whatever, they love the novel, and run out and buy the book! Same with the music. How many people want to keep files that were only put up here at 192? Even at FLAC, or lossless, most collectors, such as myself, will want the ORIGINAL for their collection!

William

Anyone notice pronounced buzzing or crackle? Especially track 1? Is this the rip or the quality of the music on the CD?

I've noticed on my copy (which I believe I got from the same source as Babydoll,) a high frequency buzz on a number of tracks, like the levels were peaking out or something. Some of the hardcore audiophiles on this board, (I'm looking at you, Tangotreats and Sirius Jr.,) have better equipment and better ears to know if this is indeed the case.
JonC

Its due to the "hot" nature of the recordings and nothing to do with the mastering. In the liner notes it says "Listeners may notice some distortion in a few passages. This is inherent in the original masters, as it was recorded very 'hot.'" Not much we can do about it but after this long I have come to trust Intrada doesn't mess with the masters like that.

Fascinating. I wonder why I haven't noticed it on the Stu Phillips Anthology.
JonC

Its due to the "hot" nature of the recordings and nothing to do with the mastering. In the liner notes it says "Listeners may notice some distortion in a few passages. This is inherent in the original masters, as it was recorded very 'hot.'" Not much we can do about it but after this long I have come to trust Intrada doesn't mess with the masters like that.

More marketing puff, I see... Not a word about it in the description, on the website, or anywhere else... what other market can get away with warning you about substandard merchandise after buying it?

And "listeners may notice some distortion in a few passages is typical damage control; you will notice lots of distortion in almost all passages above pianissimo.

OK, it's not their fault - but it's still a problem, and it's a problem I wish I'd known about before spending money I don't have on the release, because I know that if I don't get it [i]now the mindless speculators and "OMG A CD! ORDERED!!!" brigade from FSM will quickly ensure there are no copies left anywhere in the world. (Except eBay, of course...)


Williamtaylor1969: How many people want to keep files that were only put up here at 192? Even at FLAC, or lossless, most collectors, such as myself, will want the ORIGINAL for their collection!

Sadly, for every collector who cares and would like a physical product, there are a hundred more who couldn't care less and only want the free stuff. I've argued many times that a significant number of those aren't lost sales because that sort of person isn't likely to say "I want Battlestar Galactica. Can I download it? No. OK, I'll buy it instead!" - anybody who would've bought it will buy it anyway.

Convincing somebody that holding an actual CD in your hands is somewhat better than a USB stick filled with 128kbps MP3s (or even FLACs) is hard work because a lot of the time, you're appealing to a generation that is increasingly unfamiliar with physical media, and still more unfamiliar with the concept of paying for the things they consume. I remember the joy of browsing dusty shelves in a record store, and discovering some hidden vinyl gem. I remember washing my neighbours windows at the age of five in order to make enough money to buy 7" singles. Those days are gone. Now we have "Just f**ing download it, dude! Only a slave to the government PAYS for music!"

(This is not the case for the "veteran" generation of film score fans, nor is it the case for a minority of the newer generation of which I count myself a part - I'm 26. But it's certainly a growing problem.)

Well the distortion was pretty clear from the samples if you listened carefully and a discussion of the hot nature of the recordings was brought up in the thread about the release on FSM. It's minor anyway.

Is it possible to post a lossless version from this release?

Well the distortion was pretty clear from the samples if you listened carefully and a discussion of the hot nature of the recordings was brought up in the thread about the release on FSM. It's minor anyway.

It's far from minor; it adversely affects every single loud passage of music - and in a sci-fi action score, loud passages tend to be rather dominant!

Is reading FSM now a pre-requisite for finding out about flawed products put out by Intrada? Not everybody reads FSM... for obvious reasons related to FSM being a hellish cult of sociopathic, argumentative, pontificating tossers (present company excepted) - and also because it probably doesn't occur to most people. If there is something wrong with the album, it should be stated in the item description. Using the "information is available if you look for it" excuse reminds me of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. The Vogon constructor fleet turns up to demolish Arthur Dent's house to make way for a new hyperspace bypass - Arthur protests that he was given no warning about the plans...


"`...You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them had you? I mean like actually telling anyone or anything.'
`But the plans were on display...'
`On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.'
`That's the display department.'
`With a torch.'
`Ah, well the lights had probably gone.'
`So had the stairs.'
`But look you found the notice didn't you?'
`Yes,' said Arthur, `yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of The Leopard".'"


Don't get me wrong, it's a great release - but I do not like having problems hidden under the carpet. Why in the world is the explanation in the LINER NOTES and not on the product description? By the time you read the liner notes, it's too late because you already have the damn thing and they have your money. All they had to do was in the product description write - "Please note; due to issues with the master recording that are completely beyond our control, some tracks exhibit distortion. Please click here for further information."

I'll pay for my next order with forged cash; don't worry though, it's OK - I'll tell them the money is forged after I receive the CD in the post!

Is it possible to post a lossless version from this release?

I will not post it FLAC, being as it is just released and available. Doing so soon inevitably leads to backlash and problems from certain folk....

Funny, this release didn't sell out and it's 6 months later, I wonder if in part it was the mastering issues that have been addressed in the past, or did Intrada simply press too many copies (3,000).

Love the set. The thing that annoys me most is they clearly used digital Time Scaling on these volumes to reduce the time of some of the tracks. It's most evident on "The Gun on Ice Planet Zero" & "The Hand of God" episode tracks where the tracks are too fast paced. Dissappointing, but at least its something. The Stu Phillips Anthology is not time scaled, though it has it's own anomolies which I can live with. I would rather Intrada put less tracks on a disc and leave the music's progressions alone than have it compressed to where some tracks just don't sound right.