Inglorion55
02-15-2011, 04:49 PM
What is your most Gratifying victory throughout all of the Final Fantasy's, (sorry if this has been asked)

mine is either the first time i beat Omega weapon in 8(2nd try with no guide) or the dragon in final dungeon on FFV(cant remember the name)

that fight took so much planning due to the fact we didnt buy the water absorbing rings, and were 20 lvls to low for it(according to guides), which meant 1character got one attk off, another mayyyyybe got 2, and the other got 2 or 3. on fourth try, we finally remembered we had MAGIC SHRUIKENS!! so our first guy used that, and trippled his dmg, other 2 just went to town and we prayed...

I wish i could say i beat ruby weapon, but that fight seems to be more of "how much do you want to grind/get lucky", me and buddy watched all the videos, we could not get off the same moves before we died, but oh well, maybe in another life ill farm to high heaven for that one.

Enkidoh
02-17-2011, 06:11 AM
The first time I fought the Dragon in the final Rank 2 mission in FFXI. It was the first boss fight I'd participated in the game, and I had no idea what to expect. And it was an awesome experience - luckily the other members of my party knew what they had to do and did it without fuss, to the point we broke the record for that fight (sadly though records are reset each time there's server maintenance).

Nowadays that battle is much easier than it was back then, due to the level cap being removed, but I still have my memories of that first fight. :)

topopoz
02-17-2011, 08:17 PM
Emerald & Ruby Weapon, full stop.

Omega Weapon would be more gratifying if the VIII battle system wasn't broken.

Inglorion55
02-17-2011, 08:38 PM
bleh, im gonna have to find why you say VIII combat is broke. could be to easy? if there is a link to the discussion, plz link i would enjoy the read.

topopoz
02-17-2011, 08:53 PM
bleh, im gonna have to find why you say VIII combat is broke. could be to easy? if there is a link to the discussion, plz link i would enjoy the read.

Simple:

1- Enemies lvl up as you do, so it's better if you keep your characters in low level.

2-Junctioning magic to you atributes is what makes the 1st point a critical flaw on the battle system, junction 100 Ultimas at your str attribute & you'll be dealing 9999 of damage at lvl 7. Just to make an example.

3- There are spells, status effects & limit breaks that are completely unbalanced & easy to access, for example. Invisible is an status that nullifies any type of damage that your characters can get.

Aura is an status that activates your limit breaks & you can activate your limit breaks with 30% of your total HP.

Rinoa is a character that can learn a limit break that activates Invisible status on all the party. You just need to make her walk after reading the right Pet Pals magazine.

You can have 100 heros by modyfing Laguna's card, which can be easy access, because most of the GF cards that you win with story battles can help you to win the card from Ellone.
So the gamebreaking combo would be:

low health+hero= 5 to 8 Limit Breaks without risking the death of the character. Just to give an example.

4- The cactuars give 20 AP & almost no XP, so after 60 minutes of killing cactuars, drawing the right spells & selecting the right GF skills you have an overpowered lvl 7 character.

Inglorion55
02-17-2011, 09:36 PM
so by broke you mean exploitable? i guess in my opinion, making your character OPed is something that is possible in most FF, even more so in other FF sense mobs DONT lvl up w/ you, just think KotR...easy mode. I think Aura is by far the only one that is really a major overkill, and again, even that alone wont win a fight against OMEGA, also, not sure if you ever Moded Gilgamesh card. but Holy War is better than Hero.

I think part of why omega felt good, isnt on that play through, i didnt take the time to OP characters. but to me, making characters OP isnt broken, and you can choose not to use Aura, low health, hero/holywar, just like you can choose not to use W-summon KotR-MIME

topopoz
02-17-2011, 10:55 PM
The thing is that in VIII you have all served in a gold plate.
In ff games that the mobs don't lvl up with you the problem is tedious grinding tasks that most people aren't prepared.
In VIII junctioning magic+lvlups with you = Broken.
lvl7 characters overpowered you can get that in VIII 3 hours if you wish to make things fast.

In any other FF grinding lvls can take days. Specially in the old ones.

Oh and you don't think that alone can win Omega, then you should see my save file.

LVL 20-30 Squall with Invinsible only using Heroes & throwing constant Lionheart, you beat the guy faster than Emerald with the all Lucky 7s.

Inglorion55
02-17-2011, 11:08 PM
For aura alone to beat Omega, you have to get shit off before he gets his ridiculous aoe move off that pwns all characters. and get OP in 3hrs? i know you dont mean in the beggining...takes some characters forever to draw.

again, it seems like it would take "effort" to maintain such a low lvl by the time you got to Omega weapon. unless you just instantly learned encounter none, which again, imo, it barely took any extra time to get that OP in VII, and considering the amount of time it takes to draw magic in the beggining of the game...it doesnt go very quick there either.

I guess again, being OP at 20-30...is the same as being OP at higher lvl, just seems like you have to go out of your way to stay that low lvl. OP is OP, but it doesnt make it broken.

also, its only "broken" as you say, if you choose to do so...the game doesnt make you stay at 20-30, or use invisible, or heroes, its choice. If it was broken, it would just happen.

CC
02-17-2011, 11:33 PM
My most gratifying victory would be defeating Yunalesca in one try without ever having attempted her before (and with severely underleveled characters).

topopoz
02-18-2011, 02:04 AM
For aura alone to beat Omega, you have to get shit off before he gets his ridiculous aoe move off that pwns all characters. and get OP in 3hrs? i know you dont mean in the beggining...takes some characters forever to draw.
It's not that dramatic. If he starts with Megido Flame, he instantly leaves all your party at 1 HP. So he helps you to kill him. xD



again, it seems like it would take "effort" to maintain such a low lvl by the time you got to Omega weapon. unless you just instantly learned encounter none, which again, imo, it barely took any extra time to get that OP in VII, and considering the amount of time it takes to draw magic in the beggining of the game...it doesnt go very quick there either.

Not really. AP you get from cactuars & boss battles.
If you want to farm AP without gaining xp, you can transform the mobs in cards.
It's not very quick, but it's 1000 times faster than grinding lvls in any other FF.



I guess again, being OP at 20-30...is the same as being OP at higher lvl

Exactly & that's why it is broken because maintaining low lvl, makes everything else easier, you can have OP characters early in no time.



also, its only "broken" as you say, if you choose to do so...the game doesnt make you stay at 20-30, or use invisible, or heroes, its choice. If it was broken, it would just happen.

Maybe, maybe not. Why would the final product would have such Easy-access holes? That's bad design, even if you have the choice to exploit it or not.

Withope
02-19-2011, 03:29 AM
Beating Ruby WEAPON & Emerald WEAPON the ol' fashion way. KOTR, Final Attack + Life2, & Elixirs. Especially with Ruby since I only beat him with one character. Oh, I was so proud =0

Pos
02-19-2011, 04:00 PM
I gotta say my most gratifying victory was Schizo on FFVII took me weeks to kill him I just could not do it and when I did I was so proud.