First of all, I haven't posted a thing here in years.

Secondly, I just noticed the split second shot where squall has no face at the end. Yes, I know I'm years too late to notice this, and everyone else seen it years ago, but I can't seem to find any info as to why that shot of squall with a big hole in his face was ever made. Can someone explain to me please?

Maybe a symbol of him losing himself in Time Compression? I actually don't know what you're talking about because I don't believe I've seen it myself lol

I've certainly never seen it before and I've seen that vid countless times. wth? (it's shown quite clearly here, though)

YouTube - The Faceless Squall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDQm5ldp1ZM&feature=related)

I honestly don't know what to say. My guess is that it could be some kind of degenerative illusion on his part. Rinoa's helmet never shattered either, and everything in that particular scene is going haywire. Maybe it was just something they thought would look cool, idk.

That is the weirdest thing. I'm sure Square did that intentionally just to see who was paying attention though.

That is weird. I really don't know what kind of explanation would at all seem remotely plausible as to why he didn't have a face there.

Maybe the graphics went wonky. Imagine, all this hype over a mistake that Square hoped no one would notice LOL :D

Just kidding, maybe it was just for the attention or maybe it has a deeper meaning that just sky rocketed over our heads.
Try looking in the Final Fantasy VIII wiki it might give you an asnwer, as for me I'm not too bothered right now.

Whatever it is, I saw it in my dream last night :O

LOL :D That is so damn funny man!
Tell me, What kind of messed up dream is that??????????





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While doing some research on the matter, I came across something VERY interesting. It explains everything people don't like about the game (like the cliche-ness of it) along with a possible reason why Squall doesn't have a face there. Granted, this is a theory but one I haven't come across before and just like the person who created it says; with this theory, the whole story of Final Fantasy VIII makes a whole lot more sense than without it. And one of the reasons why I like this theory a lot is because it goes into detail about possible explanations and the sort. Check it out for yourselves and tell me your thoughts on it.

Here's the link. (http://squallsdead.com/)

After reading that, FFVIII is somehow more appealing...

LOL :D That is so damn funny man!
Tell me, What kind of messed up dream is that??????????




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Lol I dunno man, it was just this weird random dream where I kept seeing that imagine over and over and I woke up sweating profusely :-/ I think it was a dream that was not a good dream.

Now, as for that theory of Squall being dead, I honestly wondered about that during my first playthrough. It's been a while for me playing through it, but the fact of Squall appearing to be completely healed of his injuries immediately at the beginning of disc 2 had me baffled. The whole story after that point just seems to go every which direction and sometimes leave consistency and coherence in the dust.

Lol I dunno man, it was just this weird random dream where I kept seeing that imagine over and over and I woke up sweating profusely :-/ I think it was a dream that was not a good dream.

Maybe the game was out to get you :D


Now, as for that theory of Squall being dead, I honestly wondered about that during my first playthrough. It's been a while for me playing through it, but the fact of Squall appearing to be completely healed of his injuries immediately at the beginning of disc 2 had me baffled. The whole story after that point just seems to go every which direction and sometimes leave consistency and coherence in the dust.

I would agree with you. I did preferr the first part of the game to the end. Don't get me wrong I really enjoyed the game but I do feel as if I missed out on something in the end. Maybe that's my fault though.
However if someone has an explanation to this, I want to hear it.

Not only that though, you kinda get a better idea of what that ending was all about. And not only that, I always wondered why Ultimecia said what she said during that final fight. No matter how many times I beat it I just couldn't figure out what she was talking about (or at least find some kind of meaning behind it). But I do admit that it's possible that the reason why she said that is if this theory is correct.

I've never really came across a theory for FFVIII that deals with the whole story itself. Just random theories such as if Ultimecia is Rinoa from the future but not the whole plot of the game. But going by what Smarty already said, it at least makes FFVIII a lot more interesting. I'm sure if you play through the game again keeping this theory in mind, I'm sure the experience of the game will change compared to whatever experience you had before. You know what, I think I'm going to play it now.

I love games that try to fuck with my head. That's why I absolutely adore Silent Hill 2. When playing through Final Fantasy VIII however, I can't say that I paid attention to the story very much. There were some extremely absurd moments and after that Dr. (whatever his name was) showed up, I officially gave up on the plot. But seeing as how there might have been more to it, I think it deserves a little more careful examination. I'll try to find some time to play it again.

I would say the game deserves one more go.

By the way, does anyone know how to get this game on PSP?

It's availabe for download on PSN for 10$ I think.

I actually really enjoyed that theory.

I would say the game deserves one more go.

By the way, does anyone know how to get this game on PSP?

If you don't have a PS3 then download Sony Media Go! for your computer. Then you find the game, pay the $10 for it, and have it save the game to your PSP (can't remember the exact amount of space it uses so I'm going to assume you'll need a memory stick that has at least 1.5gigs of storage).

I already knew that theory, Stupid if you ask me...

That's some fan trying really hard to make sense the nonsense of the game's plot. And he even admits it.

The Wound wasn't in the chest it was near the shoulder, he didn't used the perspective where you can see that clearly.



We're talking of a world that they use Cure spells regularily, so he wasn't dead. So Cast Cure, Cast Sleep then to prison.

The Moombas stuff... BULLSHIT!

You're basically telling me that you deny the existence of furry like creature in a world where I can hold the fucking devil in a lamp?! Not to mention that we fight every day with giant butterflies & all kinds of creatures.

Fushururur blah blah.

That's just a plot-hole, NORG was just a recurrent element to add drama to the situation, the guys were going to send a message that missiles are coming, How do we make this more Dramatic? REBELION IN THE GARDEN.
Besides we see how the Garden treats badly cid at the point where they give you the Magical Lamp, before they send you to timber.

Fate blah blah.

This is not even a plot hole, is just the characters babbling about their series of experiences along their adventure, there's nothing "DEEP" about this.

Romance bullshit.

The romance doesn't make sense, that's all. Rinoa was a love interest of Seifer from a long time & Squall doesn't show any interest on Rinoa up Until Disc 3. It's just that Seifer was the bad guy & Rinoa was the Girl of the game. This is just poor written stuff.

Final Sequences

"Reflect on your... Childhood..."
"Your sensation... Your words... Your emotions..."
"Time... It will not wait..."
"No matter... ...how hard you hold on. It escapes you..."

Am I the only one that understands this? There's nothing scary on this, this is just like saying, no matter how hard you hold on to something life will take it away from you. That's it. In this case instead of Life let's change it for the word "TIME"

The quickshots & faceless Squall & etc. It's just an effect of TEH TIME COMPRESSOR!!!!!!!!!!!!, Yeah, it's that, they killed the bad guy by letting it complete it's purpose COMPRESS TEH TIME!!!!

So yeah that's it.

Final Words

If's Squall is dead, here comes a spider web... What we're saying is Squall's dead, then Laguna's Dreams have no significance, because. The first dream happened while he was still alive and Squall himself said that the dream had no importance & that they should all forget about it & concentrate on the mission. If everything that happens afterwards is an ilusion created by his mind while dying. The dream would be the last thing he thinks about.
The Whole Laguna plot goes to hell simply because there's no reason or justification or drugs that can make this work. And if he's really dead then why his friends have the same dreams as him if they have no reason or friendship or lost parents that are related or appear in the dreams.

Seriously the this is just lame storytelling. Most of the characters didn't have any arcs or backstory to support any of this. In the Hated FF7 we even had BARRET TO HAVE IT'S OWN BACKSTORY.

I'm not trying to sound like an FFVIII hater or anything, I love FFVIII, it's fun, hilarious, Acid, mind screw, Annoying, stupid but fun, it has poorly designed whorable battle system that makes it so fun, the side quests are greatly designed & the game is fast.

But saying that the plot makes sense or anything related to the plot is a masterpiece I just disagree with that COMPLETELY.

EDIT: Now I kinda like the Idea that bunch of mercenaries are send to kill the evil sorceress & they fail at it, End of story, Evil Rules the World.

It's an interesting theory imo........ I've only played through once. My bf might have a different thought on it though, viii is his favorite FF. Can't say that I ever caught the no face thing before....

I'm thinkin' of makin it my new desktop.......



........huh........ FFS seems to shrink images now......

That is the no-face of nightmares :O

^ that gives me an idea.....

*idea implemented*

That is the no-face of nightmares :O

Aww, are you still having that bad dream. I'm telling you it's out to get you.

Actually that picture is pretty spooky.

As for the theory, well... I can't say I agree with it at all. I sorta think that the whole dream thing seems a bit of a cop out (no insult intended to those who do agree with the concept). However I don't agree with most of what topopoz says either. Where as they are right with the whole cure thing and stuff, I wouldn't say that they are correct with thier assesment of the game.

If that cure thing was a factor, then why would it be such a big deal to Squall and co. that Seifer was executed? They could've just given him a Phoenix Down or used Life or something right? Same would go with the whole Aerith thing too. So that part is obviously going to have to be "cut". Besides, the status of a "dead" character would simply be KO.

If that cure thing was a factor, then why would it be such a big deal to Squall and co. that Seifer was executed? They could've just given him a Phoenix Down or used Life or something right? Same would go with the whole Aerith thing too. So that part is obviously going to have to be "cut". Besides, the status of a "dead" character would simply be KO.

You don't remember selphie casting cure to the moomba in the prision with the anti magic field?

EDIT: The Whole Aerith thing makes a little more sense, she has to die so that her soul goes to the lifestream so that the Holy Spell activates to counterattack Meteor.

As I stated in the picture, the wound of Squall wasn't in the heart or in the middle of the chest, it's more near to the shoulder.

^ that gives me an idea.....

*idea implemented*



OMG you're a genius! Now that's something I'd use as a desktop :D In fact, I am now!

You don't remember selphie casting cure to the moomba in the prision with the anti magic field?

EDIT: The Whole Aerith thing makes a little more sense, she has to die so that her soul goes to the lifestream so that the Holy Spell activates to counterattack Meteor.

As I stated in the picture, the wound of Squall wasn't in the heart or in the middle of the chest, it's more near to the shoulder.

The Moomba wasn't dead though. Just hurt. But that still doesn't alter the fact about the execution of Seifer being a big deal if they can just bring him back to life using an item or magic.

For example:

Quistis - "So Seifer's being executed."
Squall - "...ok? Why's that such a big deal?"
Rinoa - "How can you say that!? It doesn't bother you??"
Zell - "Yeah! That's fucked up!!"
Squall - "It doesn't bother me because we can either use a Phoenix Down or a Life spell. Then he'll be right as rain."
Everyone - "...good point."

See? Doesn't make sense.

You're right it doesn't alter the Seifer's Execution because like you've said, It's K.O. what you get in battle, not actually die.

But that doesn't alter the fact that Squall doesn't die in the battle against Edea, he just gets wounded.

That can still be a lethal blow though. His lung would be no more for one thing. Plus him falling off the roof afterwards. Even if he lived with that kind of wound, that fall would've definitely finished him off.

First it's not a roof. It's a parade cart, and it's about Squall's height. The fall COULD have finished him off. But for that to happen it would mean that Squall died because of a broken neck. However considering the angle, his back should touch the ground first. As for the ice spike; well; considering the material the ice could shatter and make a mess. Most Likely Squall would loose his arm. Maybe he would have a punctured lung, but mostly he would be dying from bloodloss.

Second, If you think about it. It would be pushing it a lot. We are talking about physics. The game doesn't give a damn about this considering that you can run on TRAIN'S ROOFTOP without no matter it's high speed or air pressure. Or the fact that a character can carry 5 ft sword with one hand without breaking it's wrist (Seifer). Like this there are other tons of other things that could & should have killed everyone from the beginning of the game.

In the end, You can't say for sure that he would die from the fall. So basically; all the theory is up to assumptions. There's no way to know for sure.

I really don't think Squall died either. Basically I think that ice shard was cast at him because Edea/Ultimecia just wanted him off her back so that she could continue with her plans. She wasn't intending to kill him. In fact it would have been counter productive to her scheme if she had.

Leaving that aside, there is another major flaw to that theory. When one has that "life flashing in front of their eyes" moment when they are at the brink of death, they are remembering what has happened IN THE PAST. They aren't imagining a future that will never exhist (well, because they're dead). How can he have events of his life flashing in front of his eyes that never happened prior to his death?
Also, if this theory were true, that would mean that Ultimecia never exhisted (she would be a figment of his imagination). If Ultimecia didn't exhist then that would mean that Edea was acting on her own accord, which wouldn't make much sense as she was supposed to be posessed. This means that not only does the later part of the game have no meaning but that the start doesn't make any concrete sense at all.
Ellone wouldn't have been at Balamb Garden (as there is no Ultimecia to distrupt time, therefore Ellone wouldn't have been compelled to ratify the past, present and ultimately the future), hence Squall would never have seen her for she wouldn't have needed to contact him. This means then that the whole vision of Laguna's time wouldn't have happened.
So thinking about it, what great mysteries would he have had to explore before he died? Nothing, because the plot would be over before it even started the way this theory is going.

What we have here is a powerful sorceress that dwells in the future who is trying to create the perfect immortality for herself. If she rules time, she rules everything. She even puts a halt on her own demise since she could control time in that Time Compressed World. She doesn't exhist in the past, so in order for her to compress the past to the future she must influence and control a person who lives in the past. First there was the mighty Adel but she was defeated, then she went to Edea, however Edea proved to be useless. So then she went on the hunt for another vessel. This is where Ellone comes in (again, as we know from the Laguna flash backs that there was already an attempt to utilise her powers). In the end Ultimecia settles for Rinoa. This plot basically explains the whole Succession of Witches. And the storyline continues as we know it.

Ultimecia wants power, Squall and Co. are trying to stop her from seizing it. Simple but touching.

You guys have it all wrong. The entire game is a dream of a forty-five year old virgin who still lives in his mother's basement, and therefore it can legitimately make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT ALL AND THERE'S NO WAY TO RATIONALIZE IT.


Leaving that aside, there is another major flaw to that theory. When one has that "life flashing in front of their eyes" moment when they are at the brink of death, they are remembering what has happened IN THE PAST. They aren't imagining a future that will never exhist (well, because they're dead). How can he have events of his life flashing in front of his eyes that never happened prior to his death?

There was a Twilight Zone episode where there was a guy who was brought to the gallows to hang. The executioner put the noose around his neck, and he dropped from the hatch, but then he plunges into water, wrestles out of the noose, and swims away after narrowly being shot by guards posted around the area. He proceeds to escape into a forest and return to his home in the woods. He eventually comes across the light of his house and he sees his wife outside waiting for him. Just as he approaches, his neck suddenly snaps and his body hangs lifelessly at the gallows where he was the entire time. The theory that Squall dies at the end of Disc 1 is just like this episode (which, although fiction, convinced me that such experiences could occur).

I think the excuse that "the plot is completely retarded" isn't enough of a reason to postulate that Squall dies and dreams the whole thing. But you have to admit, it does have some strong points, like the fact that no one's surprised that Squally survived the attack/fall and didn't have a wound (remember, he even got a scar from fighting Seifer at level 7).

There was a Twilight Zone episode where there was a guy who was brought to the gallows to hang. The executioner put the noose around his neck, and he dropped from the hatch, but then he plunges into water, wrestles out of the noose, and swims away after narrowly being shot by guards posted around the area. He proceeds to escape into a forest and return to his home in the woods. He eventually comes across the light of his house and he sees his wife outside waiting for him. Just as he approaches, his neck suddenly snaps and his body hangs lifelessly at the gallows where he was the entire time. The theory that Squall dies at the end of Disc 1 is just like this episode (which, although fiction, convinced me that such experiences could occur).

I think the excuse that "the plot is completely retarded" isn't enough of a reason to postulate that Squall dies and dreams the whole thing. But you have to admit, it does have some strong points, like the fact that no one's surprised that Squally survived the attack/fall and didn't have a wound (remember, he even got a scar from fighting Seifer at level 7).

The whole theory sounds like a complete cop out to me. It just seems random and half baked and no episode of the "Twilight Zone" can rationallise three discs worth of "hallucinations". I mean come on, the theory even makes a mockery of and confuses things that make perfect sense in the game already. If you think about it, it hasn't really explained anything to a satisfactary conclusion, all it has done is raise more confused and befuddled questions.

"It was all a dream" I mean how LAME is that?
Regardless if you like the game or not, that is just pathetic.
There are loads of more plausible and practical ways to explain what happened to Squall after the fight with Edea. My dog could do better than that.

You guys have it all wrong. The entire game is a dream of a forty-five year old virgin who still lives in his mother's basement, and therefore it can legitimately make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE AT ALL AND THERE'S NO WAY TO RATIONALIZE IT.


Quality Post.

It reminds me of a comment I read somewhere else about this same theory. It goes something like this:

"The whole game takes place in a fictional world that's being written by a twenty two year-old virgin. It's his expression of all his angst over what he feels are his lost teenage years. After disc one he actually gets a girlfriend and gets laid and at that point he realizes what a whiny load of bullshit it was and he decides to kill off his character that once represented himself. A little later on he gets a new computer and the old one is handed down to his little thirteen year old brother who finds the story and decides to continue it on from that point."

I lol'd at this 10 mins non-stop the first time I read this.

Anyway +10 to Olde & Galaroval. You guys couldn't make it any clearer xD.

sorry to bump an old thread but i found this concept really fascinating. a lot of what was written on this site made sense to me. i can further justify it with my own analysis:

- KO = knocked out, not dead. although we assume theyre the same in battle
- story/battle deaths are different. it is not unreasonable to assume this ice shard killed squall
- the fact that he mentions "no scar?" when he wakes up is a hint that there should have been one. (you can argue that when seifer used fire on squall in the opening fight, he didn't get burned. however, you can kind of tell squall blocked the magic.)
- Edea says she'll end the ceremony with a sacrifice. Squall was the sacrifice
- "reflect on your memories, time it will not wait.." basically ultimecia was saying "this dream will be over soon, take a few more moments to reflect on your life before you pass away for good"
- time kompression is actually the transition between his near-death experience dream into eternal bliss. squall tries to prevent time kompression from happening at the end of the game, but is eventually consumed by the white light of nothingness

Some people have way too much free time.

Anyone knows what a "Nopperabo" is? A "Nopperabo" is a Yokai (the Japanese equivalent of myths, demons, ghosts, etc) and the main feature of this Yokai is that it looks like a human but (you're gonna love this) it has NO FACE! Go on, google it.

Final Fantasy VIII was made by Japanese, and the "Nopperabo" is a Japanese myth.

So it makes sense that they would include it on that part of the ending video (where the objective is chaos, time is compressing for a few minutes after all!) since it's rooted within the Japanese culture. It doesn't explain a whole lot really, but I can sort of picture this conversation between Square staff:

A: Hey, how's the ending FMV going along?
B: Great! Great! I'm now rendering that part when Squall looses it and starts seeing bits of previous FMV's at the same time!
A: Oh, you mean that part where everything goes haywire?
B: Yup! That's the one! Just finishing it, look, I'm inserting 10 milisecond long frames of different images now. But I don't know what to use anymore...
A: You've used Rinoa already?
B: Yeah, lot's of it.
A: Why don't you use Squall?
B: What? He sees himself? That's lame...
A: I got an idea! Remove his face, like a Nopperabo!
B: KEWL! I get another weird pic and a reference to our culture!
A: We ROCK!

Yes, we can always find a justification for that image, and we'll probalby never know the real reason they used it, I just think you're reading too much into this.

But hey! Keep the grey matter working ;)

Ignore this post.

Didn't notice the last post date huh? It's okay Tops, I'll let you off the hook this time. ;)