Square Enix's Yoshinori Kitase(Chrono Trigger,FFVI,FFVII and FFVIII director)
explained why a PS3 remake of Final Fantasy VII would be very difficult to do



In the same interview in which Toriyama explains the linearity of Final Fantasy XIII, he also mentioned the lack of towns was due to the fact that in producing HD quality graphics it would take far too much time for the developers to create.

Alongside such comments, Yoshinori Kitase also explains that such a problem relates to being unable to currently consider the continual requests for a Final Fantasy 7 remake.

He explains, “This issue is related to whether a Final Fantasy 7 remake will happen or not. It is very hard to make games on PlayStation 3 in the same style as the games in that era had. Making graphics will take enormous time.”
http://www.thelostgamer.com/2010/02/03/kitase-explains-difficulty-in-bringing-final-fantasy-7-remake-to-ps3/

Nomura laughs at this.

ok, so they've admitted that they made the game FFXIII linear because of HD graphics...
sorry but I prefer a non linear game with less impressive graphics.

Nope.According to Isamu they have deleted content enough to make another game because of storage problems and pacing like Lightning town , Nautilus and Nora base.
http://www.ff-reunion.net/ff/2010/01/13/ff13_developer_interview_part_deleted
The point is FF VII is hard to create NOW !11!!! Lulz

I wonder how long it'll be til this thread is closed down or when Neo Xzhan finds it.

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Is there any problem ?

You should've posted this info in this thread: FFVII remake debate finally over (Thread 73482), instead of creating a new thread.

Thanks Too late to know ):

Is FFVII remake BS all we're ever gonna see in this section anymore? Not to sound rude, but I think it's time we call it quits and just focus on what we know is on the way, not keep getting our hopes up for something that will likely never happen.

To put it in laymen terms the old way of developing a game would be like giving instructions to 1 person to do something. With PS3's new Cell Processor it's like giving instructions to 8 people to do something. Where the difficulty comes in is figuring out the best optimal methods to continually keep 8 people doing things and handling those results, when you've been used to just asking 1 person to do things and handling the results of that 1 person. I don't know if that makes sense but I'm speaking in terms of processors old vs new, psx vs ps3. Then on top of that like Nomura and Kitase have said, you have the graphics that would take an enourmous amount of time to redo all over again. Overall this is a unique scenario that would no doubt be one of the hardest developing achievements to be accomplished by any company. It's best to forget this hopeless argument and keep moving on. Like Nomura even said, consider yourself lucky if Cloud is even recycled as a guest character in future titles.

It's not so much of a problem for this thread to be honest, but I would be glad the day no more new threads pop up about remakes.

I will leave this thread open for debate as to why the whole linear thing vs graphics.

Just don't make a mess out of it.

"the linearity of Final Fantasy XIII, he also mentioned the lack of towns was due to the fact that in producing HD quality graphics it would take far too much time for the developers to create."
So, FF13 would have more towns if they didn't focus so much on graphics? Kill HD graphics for more towns/a longer game? And graphic whores think graphics are everything..tsk tsk.

As for FF7
Seems like graphics are the only problem..
“This issue is related to whether a Final Fantasy 7 remake will happen or not. It is very hard to make games on PlayStation 3 in the same style as the games in that era had. Making graphics will take enormous time.”

Makes me wonder, why not PSP? Disgaea 3, for example, is a PS3 game, but looks like a PS2 game. That and the PSP pretty much is like a handheld PS2 with all these ports nowadays, Disgaea 1, 2, Persona 3, Tales of Rebirth/Destiny 2, are the ones I can think of right off the bat. (Next thing you know, there's an FFX portable.)

Graphics may not be everything, and it doesn't hurt to look nice, but for the price of content, or the possibility of the game, it seems like a small price to pay. Kind of like an MMO. Minus that MMOs don't really get any graphical updates or anything. Except maybe a few. One game had something of the sort, but I can't remember what game it was and what the update did.

So, FF13 would have more towns if they didn't focus so much on graphics? Kill HD graphics for more towns/a longer game? And graphic whores think graphics are everything..tsk tsk.
I respectfully disagree with you . FF Versus XIII (spin-off) not only has towns
but also an Overworld and it is PS3 game .

The higher spec and HD graphics didn�t stop Versus XIII developers .

Graphics are not everything, look at how well are the sales of the wii, though I don't like the wii, it's the flesh and blood example of that you don't need good graphics to make fun...

They don't need to develop games with outstanding graphics, they need to create great engines & gameplay, that would be a well spent effort on using the capabilities of the 3 consoles, man I hate this generation of gaming, there's way to much competence.

I'm not sure I understand the problem here. Why would it be so hard to remake FFVII with characters that don't have bricks for arms and a setting that is generally touched up to a level on par with FFXII if not beyond? I'm not trying to argue for something that looks like Advent Children (as that is likely impossible at the current moment). But FFVII's graphics are a number of steps behind what is possible today, so I don't understand why they are stating that it is impossible to do on the PS3.

Note that I'm not some insane fanboy salivating for a remake, I'm just curious as to why they think it is currently impossible to remake it at this time.

modemusicman explains it pretty clearly puddles, the fans are asking for a full fledged remake with outstanding visuals as they were specting with the PS3 test trailer(or at least that's what Square is implicating) they've released & they can't afford to do that because it takes a lot of time, money & effort, so it's better that they release new games which it's something that I agree completely I'm hoping that square releases some good title that's not an FF or at least not an FFVII remake/remaster, heavyknight said something interesting, if the fans want a remake why not PSP?, look at Dracula X Chronicles & Maverick Hunter X.

Off-Topic: I want more 2D side-scrolling/platform games, I'm sick of 3D hack n' slash shitty games

I respectfully disagree with you . FF Versus XIII (spin-off) not only has towns
but also an Overworld and it is PS3 game .

The higher spec and HD graphics didn�t stop Versus XIII developers .

Though, it did seem to stop XIII developers.. if I remember.... both of the games have different teams working on them.
Makes it seem kind of weird. That or the experience of creating graphics in XIII leads to the growth of Versus XIII. I don't know, random guessing. -brain dead-

Versus XIII is being worked on by the KH team and they seem to be putting a lot more effort on it. That's why there haven't been any major KH releases lately. We would probably have KH3 by now if it wasn't for versus. Not that I'm complaining. Versus looks great.

Versus XIII is being worked on by the KH team and they seem to be putting a lot more effort on it. That's why there haven't been any major KH releases lately. We would probably have KH3 by now if it wasn't for versus. Not that I'm complaining. Versus looks great.

Yeah Versus XIII looks Darker & Edgier and a lot more promising than the other two XIII, I hope that the characters are not extremely whiny or extremely arrogant, that's my only concern.

storage shouldn't be an issue..pop the game on 2 blu ray disc and people will more than likely still pay any amount for the game because its that good...but yes..probably wont happen

I'm not sure I understand the problem here. Why would it be so hard to remake FFVII with characters that don't have bricks for arms and a setting that is generally touched up to a level on par with FFXII if not beyond? I'm not trying to argue for something that looks like Advent Children (as that is likely impossible at the current moment). But FFVII's graphics are a number of steps behind what is possible today, so I don't understand why they are stating that it is impossible to do on the PS3.

Note that I'm not some insane fanboy salivating for a remake, I'm just curious as to why they think it is currently impossible to remake it at this time.

In the interview they talk about how difficult it'd be to have large towns that are rendered real time and look beautiful. Especially since the towns in FFVII where all somewhat different architecturally. Not sure why the agito team can do this and the xiii team can't.....

storage shouldn't be an issue..pop the game on 2 blu ray disc and people will more than likely still pay any amount for the game because its that good...but yes..probably wont happen

...no.

this argument is 'graphics over gameplay' and gameplay most definately wins. Play something like ff7 or tomb raider now and you can hardly see a thing! "is that a switch?", "can i collect that item on the floor? or wait its part of the wall". But these games are way better to play then alot of the newer cooler shinier ones (blue dragon looked great but, well nevermind!)

oh and i would have killed for more towns and populated areas on fable2...

Since I've not actually played it, was FFXII much of a step up from FFX/X-2?

They did so well, between FFVII's new platform release to FFVIII. But at least in X-2 they basically... did nothing. Possibly to fit it in with the original more but still.

If there's any developer who just loves squeezing everything a platform has out of it... it's Square Enix (or at the very least... it use to be :P).

Meh, the PS3's been out for what? 3 1/2 years? Should be enough time to figure out how to program graphics.

Oh wait, they have...

this argument is 'graphics over gameplay' and gameplay most definately wins. Play something like ff7 or tomb raider now and you can hardly see a thing! "is that a switch?", "can i collect that item on the floor? or wait its part of the wall". But these games are way better to play then alot of the newer cooler shinier ones (blue dragon looked great but, well nevermind!)

oh and i would have killed for more towns and populated areas on fable2...

Because I've played the PS1 (and still play PS1 games), I know what they would look like. And you make it seem that it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to tell the difference between a design on the wall and a switch which, trust me, is kinda obvious.

Because I've played the PS1 (and still play PS1 games), I know what they would look like. And you make it seem that it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to tell the difference between a design on the wall and a switch which, trust me, is kinda obvious.

Oh, there ARE areas in a game like VII, or any older ps1 games, that if you're rushing through an area, you'll miss an item. An example!

Start of FFVII, as you're running to the reactor (when it's Cloud, Barrett, and Tifa) there is a gold chest in an area you don't have to go in, and if you're not paying attention, you'll miss it even if you are in the room. The only reason I saw it the first time I played it was because it shined for a split second.

Now, saying that EVERYTHING is hard to see in those games is a bit ridiculous imo, maybe the gamer just needs glasses. :)

Oh, there ARE areas in a game like VII, or any older ps1 games, that if you're rushing through an area, you'll miss an item. An example!

Start of FFVII, as you're running to the reactor (when it's Cloud, Barrett, and Tifa) there is a gold chest in an area you don't have to go in, and if you're not paying attention, you'll miss it even if you are in the room. The only reason I saw it the first time I played it was because it shined for a split second.

Now, saying that EVERYTHING is hard to see in those games is a bit ridiculous imo, maybe the gamer just needs glasses. :)

You know that reminded me to Parasite Eve, any Sprite in that game screams & hits you in the face. xD

And this thread is still going... gods, why can't people leave FFVII alone and move on to something else? sheesh.

And this thread is still going... gods, why can't people leave FFVII alone and move on to something else? sheesh.


I concur. How about that SW TOR?

ok, so they've admitted that they made the game FFXIII linear because of HD graphics...
sorry but I prefer a non linear game with less impressive graphics.

I agree with this. I think FF13 is still an okay game, but i recently loaded up an old save of FF7 and i by far have a lot more fun with that. Of course, this is just me.

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No idea why this double posted >.<

Yoichi Wada (CEO of SE) said they're now looking into the possibility of remaking FF7. I think it's becoming less and less of a pipe dream. ;)

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/03/22/square-enix-ceo-comments-on-final-fantasy-vii-remake/

FFVII was a good game, but a remake? What would be the point. Should'nt downloading it from PSN/X-box Live be enough? Re-making the game would kill it imo. Just look at recent remakes a-la Tomb Raider, Bionic Commando etc.
Even the hardcore fan-base know this, they just can't admit it.

FFVII was a good game, but a remake? What would be the point. Should'nt downloading it from PSN/X-box Live be enough? Re-making the game would kill it imo. Just look at recent remakes a-la Tomb Raider, Bionic Commando etc.
Even the hardcore fan-base know this, they just can't admit it.

Uh, since when was Tomb Raider: Anniversary a bad remake?

Yeah, Anniversery was fantastic.

Hold on, I know it will probably take a few years to probably remake this game in HD but one bugs me. If FFX showed us that we can still have towns in a game that big, how is ti that it cannot be possible in the remake and I am only speaking theoretically of course. Do you guys believe that it will take a long while to create towns with excruciating detail as seen in the previous games? I am only speaking theoretiocally.

I'm not one of these creppy FFVII fans and I really don't care if a remake happens or not. But let me tell you something... Square Enix can't make a decent games nowadays, let alone a decent remake of one of THE most beloved games that the company had ever made.

But I won't lie, I have hopes for that parasite eve game for the PSP, it looks interesting so far.


Yeah, Anniversery was fantastic.
http://forums.ffshrine.org/customavatars/avatar92165_72.gif

Why not make it in PS2 instead? Less graphics, awesome gameplay!

because only poor people still own only a PS2.

because only poor people still own only a PS2.

but the ellite own a PsOne still. Ha!

I have 2 PSXs. Does that make me even more elite?

Let this thread die.

I have 2 PSXs. Does that make me even more elite?

It means you're trying to compensate for something......

Let this thread die.

x2.

It means you're trying to compensate for something......

That I have 2 PSX and you only have one? I think it's more compare and contrast if you ask me. I have more. You have less. That kinda thing. Take what you will from it.

... and the mindless frivolity continues...

Yes. We appreciate your contribution to our cause :).

I don't have a PSX I have a PS3

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Well if really want a flame war.

FF7 is shit, any remakes will be shit, the main characters an emo who can't even use his own imgination. Oh, and the finall boss music fucking sucks.





















































































Well that should do it..

No. I mean the kind where people are hurling insults at each other.

For example: you're an idiot. But of course, these insults should be more extreme and they have to be paragraphs long with multi-quote stuff to work.

Patience. With mention of starting a flame war (in jest), should bring this thread's closure.

I don't get what the big deal is with people wanting to close threads. If this one goes down we all know another will just be made.