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Thanks joyrider!

another Lossless soundtrack to add to the collection ;)

This from a physical?

I'm not being a git on purpose, but this isn't entirely accurate... This is Kevin Kaska's promo CD; it IS a legitimate, pressed disc - but represents mostly only the pieces that Kaska wrote, with about ten minutes of Debney's score at the end. The music is great - but for obvious reasons, Kaska wrote the "filler" and Debney wrote the major cues. (I'm not saying this to denigrate Kaska's effort - but it's a little misleading to say this is Debney's Lair, when in fact it's "extra bits" that were written by somebody else to free up Debney's time.)

To my knowledge, the full score has never received a physical edition. There is the (excellent) rip by OrangeC from a couple of years back, and there's the iTunes edition, which is now no-longer available. I remember reading that the rights were sold to some library music firm........ but I'm not sure what happened after that.

Damn shame. If there's one score that deserves a proper, deluxe CD treatment, it's this one. If there's one score that deserves to be ignored, denied a proper release, grudgingly given a shoddy release on iTunes which is quickly withdrawn, then sold off to the lowest bidder and left to rot in cheap TV dramas and as background music for Big Brother... it's NOT BLOODY THIS ONE!

Thanks for posting though - Kaska's stuff is still great and the sound quality is, as expected, superb.

[EDIT: DAMN! The Debney cues are lossy-sourced. The few Kaska cues I've checked do appear to be from a lossless source.]

This from a physical?

its the bootleg cd yeah.



I'm not being a git on purpose, but this isn't entirely accurate... This is Kevin Kaska's promo CD; it IS a legitimate, pressed disc - but represents mostly only the pieces that Kaska wrote, with about ten minutes of Debney's score at the end. The music is great - but for obvious reasons, Kaska wrote the "filler" and Debney wrote the major cues. (I'm not saying this to denigrate Kaska's effort - but it's a little misleading to say this is Debney's Lair, when in fact it's "extra bits" that were written by somebody else to free up Debney's time.)

To my knowledge, the full score has never received a physical edition. There is the (excellent) rip by OrangeC from a couple of years back, and there's the iTunes edition, which is now no-longer available. I remember reading that the rights were sold to some library music firm........ but I'm not sure what happened after that.

Damn shame. If there's one score that deserves a proper, deluxe CD treatment, it's this one. If there's one score that deserves to be ignored, denied a proper release, grudgingly given a shoddy release on iTunes which is quickly withdrawn, then sold off to the lowest bidder and left to rot in cheap TV dramas and as background music for Big Brother... it's NOT BLOODY THIS ONE!

Thanks for posting though - Kaska's stuff is still great and the sound quality is, as expected, superb.

[EDIT: DAMN! The Debney cues are lossy-sourced. The few Kaska cues I've checked do appear to be from a lossless source.]

i can assure you that the respected track are individually credited and tagged correctly. i just didnt remember the guy's name when i made the thread. the lossy sourced tracks is probably the way the studio worked at. record companies are lazy and its seldom.

i can assure you that the respected track are individually credited and tagged correctly. i just didnt remember the guy's name when i made the thread. the lossy sourced tracks is probably the way the studio worked at. record companies are lazy and its seldom.

I never thought you'd faked it! ;)

I was just merely upset that this - which looked like a lossless source for a few of the Debney tracks that are only available elsewhere in lossy formats - turned out to be a badly mastered, lazy-sod-studios, lossy-master disc. Looks like Kaska just plonked some of the Debney iTunes tracks straight onto his CD before he sent it off for duplication! ;)

What would really, REALLY be nice (and doesn't currently exist) is a full length promo of the entire score.

If you gave me a time machine, a baseball bat, a bullet-proof vest, and a bus ticket to Abbey Road, I could sort it out for you... ;)

What do you wanna do with the baseball bat ???Knock down the entire crew? :)

Direx

A swift clonk on the head for the night watchman, sneak in there with a CD recorder and nick the recording sessions tapes - all done. ;)

I never thought you'd faked it! ;)

I was just merely upset that this - which looked like a lossless source for a few of the Debney tracks that are only available elsewhere in lossy formats - turned out to be a badly mastered, lazy-sod-studios, lossy-master disc. Looks like Kaska just plonked some of the Debney iTunes tracks straight onto his CD before he sent it off for duplication! ;)

What would really, REALLY be nice (and doesn't currently exist) is a full length promo of the entire score.

If you gave me a time machine, a baseball bat, a bullet-proof vest, and a bus ticket to Abbey Road, I could sort it out for you... ;)

some people enjoy low quality compressed music for listening and like paying near to the original cd price for it, so record labels have little insenive to work from master recording originals.

some people enjoy low quality compressed music for listening and like paying near to the original cd price for it. they also like watching the dvd instead of the blu ray too.


Maybe they don't have enough space to store uncompressed datas..;or never heard about lossless files.
Maybe they don't want to pay for a HD TV and a bluray player...and renew their very good home cinema. ;)

Maybe they don't have enough space to store uncompressed datas.
Maybe they don't want to pay for a HD TV and a bluray player...and renew their very good home cinema. ;)

Really? ape has incredible small file sizes and hard drives are quite cheap. as cheap as a video game. HD is inevitable. like vhs to dvd, everyone will move once terestrial tv switches to digital.

on your home cinema point, you'd only be changing the tv. your reciever and speakers would remain the same with optical in for sound sourcing.

some people enjoy low quality compressed music for listening and like paying near to the original cd price for it, so record labels have little insenive to work from master recording originals.

The only incentive they should need is a desire to produce the best possible product, and a concern for artistic and moral integrity. Of course, we all know that this isn't the case, and they'll happily sacrifice both in a heartbeat to save a few pence or a few minutes extra effort.

I also imagine stupidity has a part to play - as does the inevitable case of human error. Studios obviously have lossy copies of whatever they're producing, floating around going to artists for demos, reviewers, managers for signing off, etc - it's inevitable that once in a while, somebody's going to get given the wrong master and, because lossy compression is so good these days, will accidentally send that off to the mastering plant.

It makes me laugh - people say they need a spectrograph scan to prove losslessness. If you can't tell from LISTENING, then said individual can't actually hear the difference between lossless and lossy, and therefore don't need lossless! Lossless encoding then becomes a status symbol which no longer has anything to do with perceived sound quality.

I also imagine stupidity has a part to play - as does the inevitable case of human error. Studios obviously have lossy copies of whatever they're producing, floating around going to artists for demos, reviewers, managers for signing off, etc - it's inevitable that once in a while, somebody's going to get given the wrong master and, because lossy compression is so good these days, will accidentally send that off to the mastering plant.


i agree with your point on stupidity and human error. there's no reason for studios to work with lossy. material can be burnt on a cd and given to work with. better yet it can be uploaded. i seriously doubt record labels have 56k in their office.



The only incentive they should need is a desire to produce the best possible product, and a concern for artistic and moral integrity. Of course, we all know that this isn't the case, and they'll happily sacrifice both in a heartbeat to save a few pence or a few minutes extra effort.



100% agree. your paying full price for a product and there's no reason to not expect a full delivery on quality for your money.




It makes me laugh - people say they need a spectrograph scan to prove losslessness. If you can't tell from LISTENING, then said individual can't actually hear the difference between lossless and lossy, and therefore don't need lossless! Lossless encoding then becomes a status symbol which no longer has anything to do with perceived sound quality.

if you cant hear the difference between lossy and losseless its down to the individual [just like wearing glasses / contacts, everyone has different levels of senses] and equipment. alot of people settle for the default headphones they get with their portable music player or live with a �30 logitech speaker system they got from asda. to get the most out of your cd, you need good speakers / headphones. its like watching a blu ray movie on a crt television. i'm not saying waste money on fancy equipment, because alot of the case is, some brands rip you off. your more likely to come across a very old speaker system that is better by spec compared to a modern system on the basis that manufacturers know people listen to mp3, so theres no need to make the speakers better for that level of quality.

I can't image human errors on lossy masters.
I think this is a matter of $�� and immediat profit.
Ie GI Joe...3/4 of the score is lossy...
Human error ? NO WAY !!!
This is the reason why I won't buy this one.

I know this is an act of necromancy, but I was curious to know if anyone might happen to still have this particular disc in FLAC...