Im not looking foward mainly because they keep pushing the release date even further to 2010 from what i heard. And also its not a sony exclusive nomore so it killed my intentions to get it even more(No fanboy comments please). And the storyline and gameplay is gonna be crap because they focus on the graphics and if they focus on making the best looking environment, characters,etc it will lack storyline and maybe some gameplay.

So make up your minds of putting a REAL release date instead of saying it then you suddenly change it without notice it kinda pisses me off.

how do you know they won't have a story? you don't know any details about it, so for all you know, it could be the greatest story every created by humanity.

oh, and god forbid you have to wait for something. but no, you're right, that is a perfectly logical and sufficient reason for not wanting a game.

This game is a myth. You people haven't figured that out yet?

Wow, you've just evolved. Way to wipe the placenta from your eyes, FF's been doing that for a while. Play Star Ocean.

how do you know they won't have a story? you don't know any details about it, so for all you know, it could be the greatest story every created by humanity.

oh, and god forbid you have to wait for something. but no, you're right, that is a perfectly logical and sufficient reason for not wanting a game.

Im not really saying that it wont have a storyline but hey we will find out when it comes out then we be the judge.

And also i may be totally be wrong about what i say about it it may be the best FF game of all time but FF VII still is the best in my opinion.

This game is a myth. You people haven't figure that out yet?

Well obviously it is smartguy thanks for pointing out the obvious.

You're welcome~

Wow, you've just evolved. Way to wipe the placenta from your eyes, FF's been doing that for a while. Play Star Ocean.

I haven't been into the FF Series after i played X-2 and i didn't really enjoyed 12 much since the battle gameplay was way different but its nice though instead of taking turns hacking each other. And i havent played Star Ocean at all i might as well try it out for psp since theres one.

Im not really saying that it wont have a storyline but hey we will find out when it comes out then we be the judge.

And also i may be totally be wrong about what i say about it it may be the best FF game of all time but FF VII still is the best in my opinion.

I wonder how long it'll take you to retract that.

And also i may be totally be wrong about what i say about it it may be the best FF game of all time but FF VII still is the best in my opinion.

that explains so much, including your lack of punctuation.

l2like actual good ff's please, and not overrated garbage (inb4neg&6)

Im not looking foward mainly because they keep pushing the release date even further to 2010 from what i heard. And also its not a sony exclusive nomore so it killed my intentions to get it even more(No fanboy comments please). And the storyline and gameplay is gonna be crap because they focus on the graphics and if they focus on making the best looking environment, characters,etc it will lack storyline and maybe some gameplay.

That's a stupid reason to not purchase a game. And how would you know that the game is going to be crap just because a lot of time was put into the graphics? Wait I forgot, you must work for SquareEnix. My many apologies for questioning you sir :rolleyes:

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Im not looking foward mainly because they keep pushing the release date even further to 2010 from what i heard. And also its not a sony exclusive nomore so it killed my intentions to get it even more(No fanboy comments please). And the storyline and gameplay is gonna be crap because they focus on the graphics and if they focus on making the best looking environment, characters,etc it will lack storyline and maybe some gameplay.

So make up your minds of putting a REAL release date instead of saying it then you suddenly change it without notice it kinda pisses me off.

thats life dude.

lol, Ultimadream, where ta fuck you been?

To OP, If thats your attitude dont f***ing get it then!

Mabe i will, mabe i wont, it depends on the reviews when it comes out. If its good, mabe. If its not, then i wont get it.

Also you don't have to be an ass about it, jeez i was just sayin my opinions about it thats all. And you don't have to go off on me just because of my opinion about it.

That post sir, was dongish. You know deeeeeep down that FFXIII will take ova teh w0rld with its mziness.

It's a popular franchise. Pretty sure the complainers will still purchase it for the right to bitch.

lately i have been hearing OP everywhere, and i swear 6 months ago, i didn't here it at all.

WTF does it mean?

Original Post(er)

That post sir, was dongish. You know deeeeeep down that FFXIII will take ova teh w0rld with its mziness.

I hope so.
One thing I've heard as far as gameplay is concerned, is that they're "combining turn-based with ATB" but I can't remember where I read that, so It may be complete rubbish. Sounds interesting though. I really hope it isn't a mirror image of FFXII's battle system, because I didn't take to that :sad:, however, as this is PS3, the battle system may turnout to be revolutionary.

Only time will tell. :)

I tried to think of an upcoming Square Enix game I'm looking forward to and all I could come up with is Dragon Quest.

You just to conclusions too quickly :(

I love FFVII and FFVIII those were the first RPG i ever play,
FFIX disappointed me a bit cuz i like more realistic graphics instead of the cartoon like.
FFX was good but a lot of elements the previous game had have been remove
then FFX-2 come out it completely diminish my love for FF series
even more when i couldn't play FFXI cuz is online only to the point that when FFXII came out i completely ignore it didn't care anymore.

But it all change when i saw the first video of FFXIII i had so much hype for the game cuz of Lighting that my love for the series came back instantly
i was so hype that i finished FFXII and started playing FFVII and FF Tactics,
after i finish those 2 i will play FFVIII and maybe FFX and FFIX too just to get the RPG feel back.


But there are some things that are killing my anticipation very quickly
1) That new stupid looking character, i don't care if i don't know his story just looking at him was enough to fuck up my day
2) Pushing back the release date to 2010 because they want a multiplatform release on the US that is just stupid as hell some one at SquarEnix needs to be remove out of there for making stupid decisions
3) SquarEnix are giving much priority to XBOX and neglecting their own fanbase which most of them are all PS3 owners.
now i don't mind the multiplatform release but not at the cost of PS3 release dates, example FFXIII US and the release of Last Remnant to XBOX but for PS3 is still TBA WTF!!

i still gonna buy this game Lighting is too cool to ignore
for the time being it will do with FFVIII and Last Remnant (hope this comes out soon)

I think people are being too harsh on FFXIII. I'm still looking forward to it.

I really wasn't that excited about this game since it was announced.

So I heard it will be out in April 2010 or smthn...Yeah w/e,at least I will be able to get a PS3 till it comes,cuz now I can't afford it >.<

I do agree that the are stringing the release date out wayyy too far, but I think we should at least give it a chance/

I won't say yay or nay, but to tell the truth, i'm kinda tired of this game (which doesn't bode too well, considering). I won't go passing judgement on what i haven't seen yet, but i've got sort of a bad feeling about the whole thing.
Their whole PR deal has been eye candy and meaningless exposition through random text. I remember the trailers for FFIX or FFXII, back when i was a couple more (or less) cards short of a deck. I'd start thinking "oh cartoony, sucks",or "oh, those clothes suck" or something, but at least i'd get to think about it. For this game, the thought i associate it the most with is the xbox thing. And i don't really condemn it in itself either, but it's not like it's the same thing as when square moved to the psx all those years back. There's no format advantage, just more money. And for that they're now screwing over their overseas ps3 costumers by holding the game back so it'll be a simultaneous release (wonder how much more money they got from MS for that one), after implying and letting their fanbase think they wouldn't do such a thing. Their lack of sincerity along with the whole synthetic feel this game is giving out, aggravated by this ridiculous new waiting period (i think i had to wait less for a PAL conversion) is just maing me loose interest, in both the game and the company. It's sad really, 'cause i still like this series, but it's like it's turning into a friggin boys band.

I'm not looking forward to simply because I think the series had already peaked (just an opinion).
I'm also not liking the fact that FFXIII has been split up into 3 different titles(untitled, versus, agito).
I really don't think I'll be buying into XIII, and not just because I don't have an Xbox 360 or PS3.

It hasn't been split up.

FF XIII, Versus XIII and Agito XIII are 3 different separate games that share nothing between each others other than a vague mythology (whatever that means).

It hasn't been split up.

FF XIII, Versus XIII and Agito XIII are 3 different separate games that share nothing between each others other than a vague mythology (whatever that means).

all ff games share the same freaking mythology.

all ff games share the same freaking mythology.

Not really...

I think he's confusing creatures and names borrowed from our own myths with the games' actual mythologies.

As if Pireflies existed in all the games... Or Mist for that matter... or Lifestream... or that Crystals were regulating the balance in the world of Final Fantasy VI... And let's not forget Yu Yevon and Sin, of course.






A nice way to show your lack of discernment, Q-Tip Trepe.

Begin Rant...


all ff games share the same freaking mythology.

What do you base that on? According to what you said, FF1-12, FFT, FFTA, FFTA2, the whole FFVII compiliation, FFCC and every other FF, are all on one world.

....

No offense, but your an idiot.

Each FF, is it's own story, on it's own world. Each FF is unique in itself, and whole in itself.

There have been some 'linkages' or 'crossovers' (Information from FFcompendium.)
1st. Gilgamesh from FF5 reappeared as a summon in FF8. He also appears in a few places in FF9, where he's also called Alleyway Jack. He plays a prominent role in FF12.
2nd. In FFTactics, Cloud Strife appears as a playable character, via a quest. Even Aeris appears there, known as 'Flower Girl'.
3rd. The Magus Sisters: Cindy, Mindy and Sandy from FF4 also appear as powerful summons in FF10/X-2. They also *may* make an uncredited appearance in FF9 - there are three statues in Alexandria (to the right of the ticket booth.) One's short, one's fat, the other tall and lithe. However, there's no actual proof that this is an intentional crossover. In TA, there are three lamias called Mindy, Cindy, and Sandy as well.

Instead of making stupid comments, do some damn research first to back up your retarded claim first, before spewing your vomit.

...End Rant.

Sorry for going off track...

I've only heard a small amount of FFXIII... SE pushing the release date back, doesn't surprise me at all, and ppl who say that they're doing that only for the xbox 360 version, well... FFXI was released on PC, then PS2... and it was the PS2 version which was ported over to the xbox 360.

At this moment in time though, I'm going to hold back judgement or any opinions about FFXIII, until more information and/or release date is brought forward. To those who are complaining about waiting for it, there are other RPG's available to play. Take those blinders off and check them out.

FFT, FFTA, FFTA2 and XII are in the same world.

Ivalice Alliance and stuff.

I am still getting this game even though I know I wont be playing it much...
Or maybe...

I think he's confusing creatures and names borrowed from our own myths with the games' actual mythologies.

Wait - So do some of the characters' names come from myths?
I love FF character names. Rikku, Squall, Vivi and all that jazz.

Games just take longer to make these days, dont forget FFXII took a record 4 years.

I used to be angry about the whole Multiplatform thing, but thats because I invested an extra 300$ to get a PS3 and not an Xbox 360 for XIII. If thats why you're angry, so be it, but you shouldnt be angry just because its going to be played by 360 owners. It will prosper more, developers will be pushed harder to make the game better because itll be a bigger audience, and Square will make more money for the next game.

And what makes you think that the delays are due to their stressing over the graphics? There could be a billion reasons why its not taking as long. And I like good graphics, they make the game better. If that means I'm not a "purist" then so be it. Yes, its the smallest component of a games success, but ithey make the experience better.

XIII will hopefully be good. I loved FFXII, but that was mainly for its gameplay. One of the developers of XII admitted the story wasnt as good as other games in an interview. I dont think they'd make the same mistake twice.

The thing about games being made for a bigger audience is that sometimes it means that developers will simplify the gameplay to appeal to a larger audience.I believe this happened with Resident Evil 5, which really only included co-op as a major new feature and had a shorter storyline which was pretty simple to complete and lacked any real thought.

Chances are FF XIII will be good but yeah, the release date is quite a long stretch. I think one of square's major problems is that they release info about games too damn early in development. I mean, wasn't it like 2005 or something dumb that previews for XIII came out?It means many will lose interest but hopefully it'll be rekindled closer to the date. I doubt it'll be the best, IX is in my opinion and anyone after X I haven't particularly liked although there only has been one more 'proper' ff since which was XII.God it was pretty piss poor.

And the storyline and gameplay is gonna be crap because they focus on the graphics and if they focus on making the best looking environment, characters,etc it will lack storyline and maybe some gameplay

I thought this as well, but square have been known to bring out the best in consoles and still have amazing stories so... fingers crossed :)

Wow, you've just evolved. Way to wipe the placenta from your eyes, FF's been doing that for a while. Play Star Ocean.

lol my thoughts exactly.

I will still get FFXIII because I'm a collector nut and I'm intriuged about it. Other than that I'm more excited about Star Ocean 4.

Sorry, but Star Ocean 4's cast of characters just don't do it for me. I like the ones in 2 and 3 better.

As far as Final Fantasy XIII goes. I don't care how long it takes, as long as it's good. Why play a bad rushed game?

I have a feeling that Final Fantasy XIII will blow Final Fantasy VII's popularity.

I'm this confident about it.



Now let's hope they won't milk it to no end like they did with VII.
Hopefully, Fabula Nova Crystallis is just a common mythology that the "XIII" games are based on, and as such, each games aren't spin-offs of each others. So yeah, I'm still hopeful.

So confident... he put it in bold.

BOLD!

how do you know they won't have a story? you don't know any details about it, so for all you know, it could be the greatest story every created by humanity.

oh, and god forbid you have to wait for something. but no, you're right, that is a perfectly logical and sufficient reason for not wanting a game.

Well put, made me chuckle.

And also its not a sony exclusive nomore so it killed my intentions to get it even more

sony exclusive nomore

nomore

Stopped reading there. I swear, the final fantasy series is a magnet like no other for bitchy, waambulance-riding downs syndrome consumers. Go back to Gamefaqs/IGN. There are already enogh illiterate preteen consumers to laugh at, let's try to keep them grouped in the same place for organisation sake.

I lurve you, Vorian.

You just to conclusions too quickly :(


._.

I tried to think of an upcoming Square Enix game I'm looking forward to and all I could come up with is Dragon Quest.

Quoted for truth... but will still buy the new FF

As far as Final Fantasy XIII goes. I don't care how long it takes, as long as it's good. Why play a bad rushed game?


I agree. Whilst the Last Remnant is good, the 360 version was too rushed and we all saw the result of that ;-;

The world is filled with too many FF fan boys who have missed the point of FF all together.

There's a point? o_O

To play I through VI, man!

There's a point? o_O

I'm referring to those who would say something like, "OMG, FF13 is gunna sux b cuz it not liek FF(insert fanboy favorite number from 7 to 10)!!!"

Ah, ic.

As opposed to hating it cuz it's a Final Fantasy :D

YES!

So, the pres. of Sony doesn't like the internet?

That's like assbackwards. I'd buy it if Reggie Fils-UpChildren said it, mir?

To play I through VI, man!

Really? II and III kinda blow...

Really? II and III kinda blow...

I liked II,
Still have not played III yet.

It's a grind-y affair.

It's a grind-y affair.

Haha, yeah maybe.

So, the pres. of Sony doesn't like the internet?

Saw a youtube video about it earlier this morning. Probably one of the most ignorant, fundamentalist things I have ever heard. Should go down in the ages along with people who said nothing good would come of electricity; that the printing press would lead only to ruin; public education is a one way ticket to anarchy etc.

Fuggen Neo Luddites.

I think he's confusing creatures and names borrowed from our own myths with the games' actual mythologies.

As if Pireflies existed in all the games... Or Mist for that matter... or Lifestream... or that Crystals were regulating the balance in the world of Final Fantasy VI... And let's not forget Yu Yevon and Sin, of course.

A nice way to show your lack of discernment, Q-Tip Trepe.

THEY ALL DO!
>.>

<.<

Sure, Sephiroth wanted to use the lifestream to kill Sin but he could only move through pyreflies to retrieve the crystals, which are of course guarded by big-ass creatures that in classic pokemon fashion, you beat the shit out of and then they join you. But the last crystal is guarded by a entity named Yu Yevon and a few spiky haired-whiny-gunblade-wielding sociopaths named Tidus, Zidane, Squall and Cloud who you must first fight to get to this Yu Yevon.

BOOM!, Award winning plot line of Final Fantasy Negative (vs)XXVIII

..Seriously? People with PS3s are bitching about the release date while people with Xbox's are ALSO bitching about the release date while EVERYONE is bitching about how this game might turn out.

...Chill out people. I have to agree with..


Games just take longer to make these days, dont forget FFXII took a record 4 years.

I used to be angry about the whole Multiplatform thing, but thats because I invested an extra 300$ to get a PS3 and not an Xbox 360 for XIII. If thats why you're angry, so be it, but you shouldnt be angry just because its going to be played by 360 owners. It will prosper more, developers will be pushed harder to make the game better because itll be a bigger audience, and Square will make more money for the next game.

And what makes you think that the delays are due to their stressing over the graphics? There could be a billion reasons why its not taking as long. And I like good graphics, they make the game better. If that means I'm not a "purist" then so be it. Yes, its the smallest component of a games success, but ithey make the experience better.

XIII will hopefully be good. I loved FFXII, but that was mainly for its gameplay. One of the developers of XII admitted the story wasnt as good as other games in an interview. I dont think they'd make the same mistake twice.

XIII will be a better storyline(most likely), served to a wider fan-base, generating more money for Square Enix, so even if XIII blows like a killer whale, XIV will atleast be high-budget. =P


I have a feeling that Final Fantasy XIII will blow Final Fantasy VII's popularity.

I'm this confident about it.

Now let's hope they won't milk it to no end like they did with VII.
Hopefully, Fabula Nova Crystallis is just a common mythology that the "XIII" games are based on, and as such, each games aren't spin-offs of each others. So yeah, I'm still hopeful.


So confident... he put it in bold.

BOLD!

We can only hope for two things: That yes, it blows past the over-hyped PoS called VII(I still like it, strangely), and yes, that he is confident enough that it is BOLD!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

that explains so much, including your lack of punctuation.

l2like actual good ff's please, and not overrated garbage (inb4neg&6)

Pfff... people like you just think your cool for not "going with the crowd"...

FFVII has like THE most popular storyline in a game EVER. in the WORLD.

Final Fantasy VII is far from being garbage. Ill admit it does have its problems, but all games that old do, and it is superb for it's time.

If they made a remake with a simlar but completely bad ass fighting system and awesome graphics, also update the story with all the compilation stuff, and make it flow better, no game could compete.

Yes one of the most legendary magical games of all time (not an opinion, I would estimate over half of gamers feel this way) belongs in the garbage... You make perfect sense.

Yay for making up statistics~

Pfff... people like you just think your cool for not "going with the crowd"...

FFVII has like THE most popular storyline in a game EVER. in the WORLD.

Final Fantasy VII is far from being garbage. Ill admit it does have its problems, but all games that old do, and it is superb for it's time.

If they made a remake with a simlar but completely bad ass fighting system and awesome graphics, also update the story with all the compilation stuff, and make it flow better, no game could compete.

Yes one of the most legendary magical games of all time (not an opinion, I would estimate over half of gamers feel this way) belongs in the garbage... You make perfect sense.

A: Proof. Where's the proof for what you claim above?
B: Stop making shit up and smoking grass... or wait... is that oregano you're smoking?
C: As Denis Leary says : SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Nuff said.

A: Proof. Where's the proof for what you claim above?
B: Stop making shit up and smoking grass... or wait... is that oregano you're smoking?
C: As Denis Leary says : SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Nuff said.


Kids on this site... never come back with good responses just resort to yelling profanities like 10 year olds... sigh.... this forum sucks its like a hive of 13 year old fan bois who have no friends in real life so cling to each other and jump on peoples asses on the forums. Your arguments don't make sense... LOL.

FFVII is one of the most popular video game stories IN THE WORLD. This is not a made up statistic this is a fact, look it up on google Im not gonna do the work for you.

Neither is the fact I stated about half of gamers feeling this game has one of the best stories in the world. Just go to any gaming site and see how many people talk about this game, this not a made up statistic. This game is generally regarded as THE most popular final fantasy, that is not made up, It is just the way it is.

And if you could read correctly, you would see that I said that I ESTIMATED, about half of gamers feel this way. I didn't say this was a for sure statistic, this is called an estimation. It happens. I even thought I was making a rather low estimate.

Just the fact that SO many people want the game remade is enought o show you enough people care about that game alot.

And no, unlike you, I am smoking on the real shit, God's Gift :)

The world is filled with too many FF fan boys who have missed the point of FF all together.

Yes the point of FF all together is to come to the FF Shrine forums and care what every loser of here thinks of you so you jump on the bandwagon, act like FF7 is the worst game ever, and gang up on and throw personal insults at people that don't jump on the bandwagon and feel the same way.

Kids on this site... never come back with good responses just resort to yelling profanities like 10 year olds... sigh.... this forum sucks its like a hive of 13 year old fan bois who have no friends in real life so cling to each other and jump on peoples asses on the forums. Your arguments don't make sense... LOL.

Oh... I'm so sorry. You're obviously right. You obviously are a worthless piece of shit who can't come up with anything more original. Also, I am not a 'kid'. I've been playing the role playing games before you were even a gleam in your daddy's eye. If you don't like this forum, then get lost. You won't be missed.


FFVII is one of the most popular video game stories IN THE WORLD. This is not a made up statistic this is a fact, look it up on google Im not gonna do the work for you.

Says who? Militant fanboys like you who cream their pants in explosive delight at the mere mention of anything related to FFVII. Grow up child.


Neither is the fact I stated about half of gamers feeling this game has one of the best stories in the world. Just go to any gaming site and see how many people talk about this game, this not a made up statistic. This game is generally regarded as THE most popular final fantasy, that is not made up, It is just the way it is.

The people who you are referring to haven't matured. The game is 12 years old. Also, there are others who consider FFVII to NOT be the most popular from THEIR points of view. Not everyone shares the same perspective as a imbecilic life form such as yourself.


And if you could read correctly, you would see that I said that I ESTIMATED, about half of gamers feel this way. I didn't say this was a for sure statistic, this is called an estimation. It happens. I even thought I was making a rather low estimate.

Oh I can read correctly. I can also spell words correctly as well. Learn to spellcheck, it's embarrassing to read a post with spelling mistakes.


Just the fact that SO many people want the game remade is enought o show you enough people care about that game alot.

The development team who MADE FFVII have either A: Working on other projects; B: No longer work for SE. Also, as per the distribution agreement SE had to agree with SONY regarding distribution of FFVII, SE had to hand over the library files for FFVII to SONY. Those library files would be needed to make a remake of FFVII, and I seriously doubt SONY would just hand them over. Also... spellcheck for crying outloud or at least have a fucking dictionary next to your computer to find the correct spelling...


And no, unlike you, I am smoking on the real shit, God's Gift :)

Well, then he's obviously given you the weak ass shit.


Yes the point of FF all together is to come to the FF Shrine forums and care what every loser of here thinks of you so you jump on the bandwagon, act like FF7 is the worst game ever, and gang up on and throw personal insults at people that don't jump on the bandwagon and feel the same way.

You do realize that there are other people who don't share your deluded opinion that FFVII is the best game ever made right? Wait, you don't believe that people can have that thought can you? Most of the people who have raved on about FFVII are illiterate fanboys/girls who poke holes everywhere in the plot, who think there's more to the game than what is shown etc etc etc.

Final Fantasy VII is a game. It is not real.

Don't double post either.

Xiahou Dun, FF VII is still the intellectual property of S-E.

They're totally free to make a remake if they so want. Just like they did for III and IV.

Distribution doesn't change anything of it. The game was still created, published and copyrighted by S-E.

Xiahou Dun, FF VII is still the intellectual property of S-E.

They're totally free to make a remake if they so want. Just like they did for III and IV.

Distribution doesn't change anything of it. The game was still created, published and copyrighted by S-E.

Intellectual property yes. I'm not disputing that.

However, without the files they gave SONY, if they wanted to do a remake of FFVII, they'd have to do so from scratch.

You'll have to give me a source from where you got this.

I never once heard that S-E handed over their game to Sony.

And in fact, I believe that is probably a misinterpretation on your part.

Xiahou Dun, FF VII is still the intellectual property of S-E.

They're totally free to make a remake if they so want. Just like they did for III and IV.

Distribution doesn't change anything of it. The game was still created, published and copyrighted by S-E.



You'll have to give me a source from where you got this.

I never once heard that S-E handed over their game to Sony.

And in fact, I believe that is probably a misinterpretation on your part.

Look on the back of Final Fantasy VIII or IX, or even the PSX remake of FFVI (PAL) and FF Anthology (PAL), it states and I quote:

Library programs copyright 1993-2002 Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. exclusively licensed to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe. Published by Square Europe LTD.

Also :


As stated on Wikipedia

Planning sessions for Final Fantasy VII began in 1994 after the release of Final Fantasy VI.

Development of Final Fantasy VII resumed in late 1995,[29] and required the efforts of approximately 120 artists and programmers, using PowerAnimator and Softimage|3D software and a budget of more than US$30 million.

I recall reading in a british gaming magazine (unfortunately the name of which eludes me at this point in time), that the majority of said funding was supplied by Sony themselves.

Also, as you will see upon reading the back of the case itself, the Library programs copyright is from 1993-1999 (on the PAL release of FFVIII for PSX) it stands to reason that FFVII, as that was also released on the Sony PSX, it is ALSO covered under that copyright as well.

I hope that has answered your above statement.

There's nothing of the sort on the back of the US packaging.


Final Fantasy VII� 1997 Square Co., Ltd. All rights reserved. Final Fantasy and Square Soft are registered trademarks of Square Co., Ltd.

The Sony Computer Entertainment logo is a trademark of Sony Corporation. Playstation and the Playstation logos are trademarks of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. The ratings icon is a trademark of the Interactive Digital Software Association. Manufactured and printed in the U.S.A. THIS SOFTWARE IS COMPATIBLE WITH PLAYSTATION GAME CONSOLES WITH THE NTSC U/C DESIGNATION. U.S. AND FOREIGN PATENTS PENDING.

So yeah, I think it's most likely a misinterpretation on your part. If it was indeed partly owned by Sony, it would still be mentioned on the US packaging. But there is nothing of the sort on anything (box or manual) in the US packaging.

That the games were exclusively licensed to Sony doesn't mean Square-Enix can't remake the game. FF I-VI were all licensed to Nintendo, yet we still got the games for the PSX, and PSP.
A license doesn't necessarily mean the product is owned by the company it was licensed to. It can mean they were given permission to use said product. Here, it is mentioned that there was an exclusivity deal going with it. Said deal could have a duration clause.


And I've yet to find exactly what they mean by "Library programs". For all we know, that might not have anything to do with the game itself (in it's raw, non formatted form) , but rather the actual print of said program on a Sony Playstation disc.

EDIT: Oh, and of course, there is absolutely no mention of Sony on the PC version's packaging. I wonder what version of FF VII you have exactly, since I browsed most of the boxart files of FF VII on Moby Games and found nothing of what you mentioned there.

Oh... I'm so sorry. You're obviously right. You obviously are a worthless piece of shit who can't come up with anything more original. Also, I am not a 'kid'. I've been playing the role playing games before you were even a gleam in your daddy's eye. If you don't like this forum, then get lost. You won't be missed.



Says who? Militant fanboys like you who cream their pants in explosive delight at the mere mention of anything related to FFVII. Grow up child.



The people who you are referring to haven't matured. The game is 12 years old. Also, there are others who consider FFVII to NOT be the most popular from THEIR points of view. Not everyone shares the same perspective as a imbecilic life form such as yourself.



Oh I can read correctly. I can also spell words correctly as well. Learn to spellcheck, it's embarrassing to read a post with spelling mistakes.



The development team who MADE FFVII have either A: Working on other projects; B: No longer work for SE. Also, as per the distribution agreement SE had to agree with SONY regarding distribution of FFVII, SE had to hand over the library files for FFVII to SONY. Those library files would be needed to make a remake of FFVII, and I seriously doubt SONY would just hand them over. Also... spellcheck for crying outloud or at least have a fucking dictionary next to your computer to find the correct spelling...



Well, then he's obviously given you the weak ass shit.



You do realize that there are other people who don't share your deluded opinion that FFVII is the best game ever made right? Wait, you don't believe that people can have that thought can you? Most of the people who have raved on about FFVII are illiterate fanboys/girls who poke holes everywhere in the plot, who think there's more to the game than what is shown etc etc etc.

Final Fantasy VII is a game. It is not real.

Don't double post either.

Dude, I have played Final Fantasy VII, as well as Crisis core, one time each. And didn't even complete it 100%. I am far from a fanboy.

If I am a fanboy of any game I guess it would be xenogears/ xenosaga, but I just have enough sense to realize many many people DO in FACT enjoy FFVII... and I do not blind myself to the fact it is one of the most celebrated game stories of all time. I never said that everyone felt that way, can you not make an argument without putting words in peoples mouths?

I said many MANY gamers felt that way, and that is true, many gamers love the game. If you try to not acknowledge that, you are just a moron.

You care soo much bout hating on FFVII you are a bigger fanboy than I am jesus christ.

I don't spellcheck my posts on forums such as this because I simply don't care. I'm typing this fast to get it over with to hell with grammar/punctuation/spelling as long as it gets the point across. Who the hell cares. What are you a teacher? It's called a typo you fucking nerd.

Seriously, how rediculous can you get? I wrote "enought o". Its called a typo. I meant to type "enough to". Why would I need a dictionary next to my desk for that you moron? Not everyone is a nerd that keeps a dictionary by their desk cuz they write their posts online like an essay because they care what people online think about them so much. Grow the fuck up.

And you obviously don't know much bout blazing... God's Gift is an extremely potent heady bud sold in stores in Cali that has won the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam before... Yes I am smokin on weak shit indeed... and God didn't give it to me, I gave it to myself. Peace.

Pfff... people like you just think your cool for not "going with the crowd"...

FFVII has like THE most popular storyline in a game EVER. in the WORLD.

Final Fantasy VII is far from being garbage. Ill admit it does have its problems, but all games that old do, and it is superb for it's time.

If they made a remake with a simlar but completely bad ass fighting system and awesome graphics, also update the story with all the compilation stuff, and make it flow better, no game could compete.

Yes one of the most legendary magical games of all time (not an opinion, I would estimate over half of gamers feel this way) belongs in the garbage... You make perfect sense.

I agree in those points, but a remake?, for me it's a NO, because as you said the "compilation stuff".
Final Fantasy VII has not the most popular storyline in games ever, if we go that far, what about Peach being saved by Mario from Bowser?.
Most popular storyline in RPG's?... Arguable

The game has a divided legacy and year by year it's being hated even more. But everything is relative to the way of thinking of every person. As Spoony said in the FFVIII review, FF7 wasn't bad because the game itself, was bad because for what it did to gaming culture.
The game deals with prostitution in a part of the game (All Wall Market) and you need to disguise as a girl. Now let's take a look to it's rating.

Source:Wikipedia
Rating(s)
ELSPA: 11+
ESRB: T <- this the only one that i can consider valid.
OFLC: G8+
PEGI: 12+
USK: 12+

My opinion, love it or hate it, FFVII it's a good game, it's among my fauvorites FF.

Back on topic (before the moderators aim us with a 44.). Not looking forward to XIII:
1. I don't have a PS3
2. I found it so similar to advent children that makes me feel ill.
3. There are other PS3 RPG's that are more attractive to me.
4. XIV, though it's online, I'm looking foward to see how is the gameplay.

@ Hynad


There's nothing of the sort on the back of the US packaging.



So yeah, I think it's most likely a misinterpretation on your part. If it was indeed partly owned by Sony, it would still be mentioned on the US packaging. But there is nothing of the sort on anything (box or manual) in the US packaging.

That the games were exclusively licensed to Sony doesn't mean Square-Enix can't remake the game. FF I-VI were all licensed to Nintendo, yet we still got the games for the PSX, and PSP.
A license doesn't necessarily mean the product is owned by the company it was licensed to. It can mean they were given permission to use said product. Here, it is mentioned that there was an exclusivity deal going with it. Said deal could have a duration clause.


And I've yet to find exactly what they mean by "Library programs". For all we know, that might not have anything to do with the game itself (in it's raw, non formatted form) , but rather the actual print of said program on a Sony Playstation disc.

EDIT: Oh, and of course, there is absolutely no mention of Sony on the PC version's packaging. I wonder what version of FF VII you have exactly, since I browsed most of the boxart files of FF VII on Moby Games and found nothing of what you mentioned there.

I have the original PAL release version of the games. It has the information I stated listed on the back of the package.

Again, I quote from the back of the Final Fantasy IX PAL RELEASE:


FINAL FANTASY, SQUARESOFT and the SQUARESOFT logos are registered trademarks of Square Co., LTD. COMPUTER GRAPHICS MOVIE: Copyright 2000, 2001. Square Co., LTD & Square Visualworks Co., LTD. MUSIC: P & Copyright 2000, 2001 Square Sounds Co., LTD. ILLUSTRATION: Copyright 2000 YOSHITAKA AMANO

FOR HOME USE ONLY. Unauthorised copying, adaptation, rental, lending, re-sale, arcade use, charging for use, broadcast, public performance and internet, cable or other telecommunications transmission, access or use are prohibited. Distribution or extraction of this product or any trademark or copyright work that forms part of this product are prohibited. Developed by Square CO., LTD. All rights reserved. All other trademarks are the property of their respective companies.

Library programs copyright 1993-1999 SONY Computer Entertainment Inc. exclusively licensed to SONY Computer Entertainment Europe. Manufactured in Australia.

THIS PRODUCT IS LICENSED FOR SALE IN AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND ONLY.

I will now post what I have on the back of the PAL release of FFVII:


FINAL FANTASY VII Copyright 1997 Square Co., LTD. All rights reserved. Final Fantasy and Squaresoft are registered trademarks of Square Co., LTD.

FOR HOME USE ONLY. Unauthorised copying, adaptation, rental, lending, re-sale, arcade use, charging for use, broadcast, cable transmission, public performance, distribution or extraction of this product or any trademark or copyright work that forms part of this product are prohibited. Published by SONY Computer Entertainment Europe. Developed by Square Co., LTD.

Those are direct transcripts from the back of both games. As stated, they are official PAL releases, not pirate copies etc.

@xENOgEAR666


Dude, I have played Final Fantasy VII, as well as Crisis core, one time each. And didn't even complete it 100%. I am far from a fanboy.

And yet here you are trying to tell this forum that, and I quote from your earlier post:


FFVII has like THE most popular storyline in a game EVER. in the WORLD.

If that there isn't a indication of a fanboy, then our definition of the term 'fanboy' are two totally different concepts.


If I am a fanboy of any game I guess it would be xenogears/ xenosaga, but I just have enough sense to realize many many people DO in FACT enjoy FFVII... and I do not blind myself to the fact it is one of the most celebrated game stories of all time. I never said that everyone felt that way, can you not make an argument without putting words in peoples mouths?

While it is true that FFVII at the time of it's release did sell a large amount of copies, documented on numerous sites, where does it say about the equal amount of copies which were returned to stores? I clearly recall a friend of mine who worked at a game store say that they had numerous copies of FFVII returned within 2-3 months of it's release.

You come across in your earlier post, to which I responded to, as a fanboy due to how your post is written.


I said many MANY gamers felt that way, and that is true, many gamers love the game. If you try to not acknowledge that, you are just a moron.

It is also true that many gamers do NOT love the game. Having had to deal with numerous other fanboys spouting their FFVII is God's gospel etc, not to mention how some people may feel negatively about the whole FFVII Compilation as a whole, is their damn right to NOT like the game if they so choose. For you to label people as 'morons' because they do not like the game, makes you appear as a individual who is blinded by their love for a game and will not stand for anyone else who may say anything negative about said game.


You care soo much bout hating on FFVII you are a bigger fanboy than I am jesus christ.

Where the hell did I say I hate FFVII? Did I say that in any of my posts that I hate FFVII?


I don't spellcheck my posts on forums such as this because I simply don't care. I'm typing this fast to get it over with to hell with grammar/punctuation/spelling as long as it gets the point across. Who the hell cares. What are you a teacher? It's called a typo you fucking nerd.

Without checking your spelling, grammar, etc your post comes across as if it's written by someone who doesn't have a full comprehension of the english language, dialogue and sentence structure. A poorly written post tends to garner negative response.


Seriously, how rediculous can you get? I wrote "enought o". Its called a typo. I meant to type "enough to". Why would I need a dictionary next to my desk for that you moron? Not everyone is a nerd that keeps a dictionary by their desk cuz they write their posts online like an essay because they care what people online think about them so much. Grow the fuck up.

At least my posts are legible and can be read without the reader having to stop and translate a typo.


And you obviously don't know much bout blazing... God's Gift is an extremely potent heady bud sold in stores in Cali that has won the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam before... Yes I am smokin on weak shit indeed... and God didn't give it to me, I gave it to myself. Peace.

No I admit I don't know about blazing as I have better things to spend my money on besides trying to get high and kill myself slowly. There are better ways to get a buzz besides that, but then I doubt you know how.

xENOgEAR666 -

Don't worry, it is okay to like FF7. I'm one of those people who love it so much that I'm willing to try to novelize it. I would like to tell you, though, that the reason many people on this forum are so anti-FF7 is because of all the fanboys who come to this site to gush on about it. I don't really have a problem with it because I suppose I haven't been with this forum for so long, but the others have seen so much of it that they are sick of hearing anything about FF7, hence the responses you are getting to your comments. Rest assured, there are people who love the game like myself. But I'm just trying to point out that, for the most part, the people who hate the game on this forum seem to do so not because going against the grain is cool, but because they are sick to death of reading stuff about it.

Unfortunately that can sometimes create bad experiences for first time users of the forum who wish to express their appreciation for the game, but hey... So long as you have a thick skin you can learn to live with it, see through the cracks, and realize that most of these people used to love the game too. And possibly still do.

And yet here you are trying to tell this forum that, and I quote from your earlier post:



If that there isn't a indication of a fanboy, then our definition of the term 'fanboy' are two totally different concepts.


Once again, taking things I say out of context. that was an exaggeration if you couldn't tell, hence why I put the word "Like" in there, I don't regularly talk like a valley girl. Once again, if you are trying to deny that FFVII has ONE of the most popular video game stories of all time, you are in just that, denial. It isnt even close to my fav video game, but I can admit that it does have one of the most popular game stories of all time.




While it is true that FFVII at the time of it's release did sell a large amount of copies, documented on numerous sites, where does it say about the equal amount of copies which were returned to stores? I clearly recall a friend of mine who worked at a game store say that they had numerous copies of FFVII returned within 2-3 months of it's release.

You come across in your earlier post, to which I responded to, as a fanboy due to how your post is written.


?? Irrelevent. FFVII, in the video game industry is known as an innovator in the RPG genre, one that pushed boundaries in many ways. It is also generally regarded one of the great RPG stories. This is not just my opinion, you will see this in forums all over the place (yes along with people that hate it but theres people that hate everything), as well in professional gaming magazines etc. all that acknowledge FFVII for what it has given to gaming.

I really don't know why you are trying soo hard to prove that Final fantasy VII doesnt have a popular story, do you think your going to succeed?

Square Enix is a company all about their money, why would they make 5 FFVII spin offs if it wasn't their most popular game? Do you see how much sense your points make? none...



It is also true that many gamers do NOT love the game. Having had to deal with numerous other fanboys spouting their FFVII is God's gospel etc, not to mention how some people may feel negatively about the whole FFVII Compilation as a whole, is their damn right to NOT like the game if they so choose. For you to label people as 'morons' because they do not like the game, makes you appear as a individual who is blinded by their love for a game and will not stand for anyone else who may say anything negative about said game.


once again dont put words in my mouth. Im not calling you a moron cuz you dislike FFVII, im calling you a moron because you religiously try to prove that FFVII is not a popular story, calling me a fanboy when ive played it once, and because you care sooo much about my spelling like Im turning in an essay to you or something lol. Cry about it.




Without checking your spelling, grammar, etc your post comes across as if it's written by someone who doesn't have a full comprehension of the english language, dialogue and sentence structure. A poorly written post tends to garner negative response.



At least my posts are legible and can be read without the reader having to stop and translate a typo.


This is an extreme extreme exaggeration. I mean jesus if you cant see how far your stretching to make a point I dont know what to tell you. I mistyped one letter. I wrote "enought o" sorry you had to go back over it for 2 seconds, I was at work and typing that in a hurry so I could get back to work. Typo's were the least of my worries. If you care that much about something so insignificant you should become a teacher. And if you care that much about typo's on an internet forum you should honestly just kill yourself.



No I admit I don't know about blazing as I have better things to spend my money on besides trying to get high and kill myself slowly. There are better ways to get a buzz besides that, but then I doubt you know how.


I knew it, could tell the moment you started talking about it:) So now you show me your one of these fools that think smoking harmless Marijuana will kill you.. LMAO. If your against marijuana, you absolutely HAVE to be against alcohol and nicotine being legal. They are 20 times more deadly than marijuana. So I hope your out their lobbying for making cigs and beer illegal.

Marijuana if eaten and/or smoked out of a vaporizer has absolutely no adverse effects AT ALL. If anything marijuana injested in this way would BE HEALTHY FOR YOU.

BOY do you have some learning about the world to do, jesus christ.

xENOgEAR666 -

Don't worry, it is okay to like FF7. I'm one of those people who love it so much that I'm willing to try to novelize it. I would like to tell you, though, that the reason many people on this forum are so anti-FF7 is because of all the fanboys who come to this site to gush on about it. I don't really have a problem with it because I suppose I haven't been with this forum for so long, but the others have seen so much of it that they are sick of hearing anything about FF7, hence the responses you are getting to your comments. Rest assured, there are people who love the game like myself. But I'm just trying to point out that, for the most part, the people who hate the game on this forum seem to do so not because going against the grain is cool, but because they are sick to death of reading stuff about it.

Unfortunately that can sometimes create bad experiences for first time users of the forum who wish to express their appreciation for the game, but hey... So long as you have a thick skin you can learn to live with it, see through the cracks, and realize that most of these people used to love the game too. And possibly still do.

Totally man thanks for being a civilized dude :)

I understand all that, but Im not even coming in here gushing about FFVII. I love FFVII and think the story is awesome myself but am far from a fanboy. i barely beat the game one time.

I just think its funny how all these supposed Final Fantasy fans rag on FFVII like its the devil and the worst game EVER MADE. Literally you say one thing about it and 20 people gang up on you not even talking about the game, just telling you how stupid you are and laughing at each others jokes.

If thats not jumping on a bandwagon, I dont know what is.

You can't honestly say that FFVII is the worst game ever made, has a bad story, or is unpopular and no one likes it, and be serious. Just none of those things are true. This isnt an opinion, its fact. There are plenty games with worse gameplay and story, and FFVII in fact is one of the most popular games of all time.

These fanboy butt buddies trying to deny this are retarded. I just get mad when people like this jump on a bandwagon together and jump down peoples asses talking shit to them and insulting them all because they don't share the opinion of the status quo (which in this case, happens to be a shit opinion). I mean just check out the first page and how they ripped that dude a new asshole all cuz he had a different opinion. Seriously, grow up. (not you, puddles ;))

You can't honestly say that FFVII is the worst game ever made, has a bad story, or is unpopular and no one likes it, and be serious. Just none of those things are true. This isnt an opinion, its fact. There are plenty games with worse gameplay and story, and FFVII in fact is one of the most popular games of all time.


These fanboy butt buddies trying to deny this are retarded. I just get mad when people like this jump on a bandwagon together and jump down peoples asses talking shit to them and insulting them all because they don't share the opinion of the status quo (which in this case, happens to be a shit opinion). I mean just check out the first page and how they ripped that dude a new asshole all cuz he had a different opinion. Seriously, grow up. (not you, puddles ;))

I agree in your point but anyone CAN say anything about everything, that's why opinions exist.
I checked the first page and you're right indeed. It's sad to see how about 3 or more tell you that you're just wrong because you say that a game doesn't interest you + say that "that" game was the best for you.
And if they stick to denials, fine by them just don't take it personal, I'm telling you this because of the "grow up" comentary.
Applause on puddles for calming the waters. xD

Once again, taking things I say out of context. that was an exaggeration if you couldn't tell, hence why I put the word "Like" in there, I don't regularly talk like a valley girl. Once again, if you are trying to deny that FFVII has ONE of the most popular video game stories of all time, you are in just that, denial. It isnt even close to my fav video game, but I can admit that it does have one of the most popular game stories of all time.

Ok 'dude' where the hell in my posts here have I stated that FFVII is NOT one of the most popular video games? Where? I am not trying to deny anything about FFVII or such. My posts here have been in response to how have portrayed yourself as a arrogant know it all, who believes everything that is written on other sites etc about FFVII as gospel.

The story to FFVII, when you get right down to it, is one which has been told numerous times again, by different companies and on different forms of media. Once again where in my posts have I stated that FFVII doesn't have a popular story?


?? Irrelevent. FFVII, in the video game industry is known as an innovator in the RPG genre, one that pushed boundaries in many ways. It is also generally regarded one of the great RPG stories. This is not just my opinion, you will see this in forums all over the place (yes along with people that hate it but theres people that hate everything), as well in professional gaming magazines etc. all that acknowledge FFVII for what it has given to gaming.

Have I stated anywhere in my posts here that the story to FFVII is piss poor? I have stated that the story is old and has been used before, meaning the core story. Professional gaming magazines tend to biased towards certain games upon review. IIRC, most of the gaming magazines which did review FFVII gave it glowing reviews and a perfect score. Right there I have to say that's BS. There is no such thing as a perfect game. Perfection, as a whole, does NOT exist as each person's opinion of perfection is completely different to another persons.


I really don't know why you are trying soo hard to prove that Final fantasy VII doesnt have a popular story, do you think your going to succeed?

Why are you so hooked onto the inclination that I'm attacking FFVII's story? I am NOT trying to prove that FFVII doesn't have a popular story at all. As you are seemingly so caught up on that particular facet, makes me wonder why you are trying so hard to 'not' come across as a fanboy of FFVII.


Square Enix is a company all about their money, why would they make 5 FFVII spin offs if it wasn't their most popular game? Do you see how much sense your points make? none...

Hironobu Sakaguchi originally intended all the FF games to be a stand alone story on it's on. That they did not need any sequels/prequels/etc to expand on the story. The FFVII Compilation tries to tie everything together for people to see the 'whole story' as it were. Granted that there are still some questions upon completion of FFVII, but they are left open for the player to consider 'What if'. IMO, the rest of the FFVII Compilation was just a marketing ploy to fleece more money from the fanbase of one of SE's flagship titles, which it has succeeded in. I could go into more detail, but I digress...


once again dont put words in my mouth. Im not calling you a moron cuz you dislike FFVII, im calling you a moron because you religiously try to prove that FFVII is not a popular story, calling me a fanboy when ive played it once, and because you care sooo much about my spelling like Im turning in an essay to you or something lol. Cry about it.

All you are focusing on is the story of FFVII and that I'm attacking it with all guns blazing. Once again I am NOT attacking FFVII's story. If I'm attacking anything, it's you for your arrogant and ignorant rants. True I don't like FFVII much nowadays, however I do not hate it. I don't love it either. If anything I'm indifferent to it. I'm am calling you a fanboy because I've read similar lines of devoted fanaticism here on this forum before from other people who have 'seen the light of how awesome FFVII is, and must now go and convert others to this glory of gaming'. Everyone has their own opinion about what they like and do not like. Everyone has a choice to follow whatever they want.


This is an extreme extreme exaggeration. I mean jesus if you cant see how far your stretching to make a point I dont know what to tell you. I mistyped one letter. I wrote "enought o" sorry you had to go back over it for 2 seconds, I was at work and typing that in a hurry so I could get back to work. Typo's were the least of my worries. If you care that much about something so insignificant you should become a teacher. And if you care that much about typo's on an internet forum you should honestly just kill yourself.

And yet you are hung up on that and continue to throw that into your posts to add to your case. The reason I spoke about that in the first place is I enjoy writing stories in my free time, therefore I tend to spellcheck frequently. I wouldn't be a teacher nowadays even if I was paid an exorbitant amount of money either.

Considering that I have tried to kill myself six years ago due to the loss of someone who meant a great deal to me, the end of your above comment does infuriate me so just shut up.


I knew it, could tell the moment you started talking about it:) So now you show me your one of these fools that think smoking harmless Marijuana will kill you.. LMAO. If your against marijuana, you absolutely HAVE to be against alcohol and nicotine being legal. They are 20 times more deadly than marijuana. So I hope your out their lobbying for making cigs and beer illegal.

Due to the fact I have severe asthma I don't smoke cigarettes either and only occasionally drink beer. I have better things to do with my money than to spend it on drugs or alcohol. I never stated that I'm against it, go and smoke/inhale/whatever by yourself. I don't give a fuck.


Marijuana if eaten and/or smoked out of a vaporizer has absolutely no adverse effects AT ALL. If anything marijuana injested in this way would BE HEALTHY FOR YOU.

Taken from Wikipedia:


Cannabis has psychoactive and physiological effects when consumed. The minimum amount of THC required to have a perceptible psychoactive effect is about 10 micrograms per kilogram of body weight.[44] Aside from a subjective change in perception, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of psychomotor coordination, concentration, and short-term episodic and working memory.[45] Long-term effects are less clear.[46][47]

Classification
Main article: Effects of cannabis#Psychoactive effects

While many drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogen, cannabis exhibits a mix of all properties, perhaps leaning the most towards hallucinogen or psychedelic properties, though with other effects quite pronounced as well. Though THC is typically considered the primary active component of the cannabis plant, various scientific studies have suggested that certain other cannabinoids like CBD may also play a significant role in its psychoactive effects.

Everything has a effect to it. Nothing is completely harmless.


BOY do you have some learning about the world to do, jesus christ.

That also reflects on to you as well.

Ok, I've been skimming these last few pages and it seems its more about FFVII then FFXIII, I suggest a close and you guys take it to PM?

Or just carry on because i'm not really paying attention to what you guys are saying...

tl;dr: Ignore me.

Ok, I've been skimming these last few pages and it seems its more about FFVII then FFXIII, I suggest a close and you guys take it to PM?

Or just carry on because i'm not really paying attention to what you guys are saying...

tl;dr: Ignore me.

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Screw XIII, Versus AND Apollo Justice 2. Let's get some God of War III Ultimate Edition up in this bitch, mang!

Screw XIII, Versus AND Apollo Justice 2. Let's get some God of War III Ultimate Edition up in this bitch, mang!

I just think its funny how all these supposed Final Fantasy fans rag on FFVII like its the devil and the worst game EVER MADE. Literally you say one thing about it and 20 people gang up on you not even talking about the game, just telling you how stupid you are and laughing at each others jokes.

FF7 has good story, shit gameplay. Now who's gonna flame me? If it deserved a remake it would've been by now. /End Thread.

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