Orie
10-14-2008, 07:43 PM
(http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=994&u=12356261)

RD Sennou Chousashitsu ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK (https://mega.nz/#!KBYTSZzb!FT_aRCLCzGGSuMp-mengZ0plF47Pm--IvfxO5ZaE5RA)

Release date: 2008.08.27
Catalogue number: VPCG-84878
Label: VAP

Music by: Yoshihisa Hirano (DISC 1), Hideki Taniuchi (DISC 2)


Tracklist:

Disc 1
1. Wanderland (RD Sennou Chousashitsu ver.)
2. RD Theme
3. Minamo on the Beach
4. Kushima (The Variations on the Theme by Paganini)
5. Iris
6. Arguments
7. Minamo Runs Back and Forth
8. Toward the Light!
9. Reliance
10. Dive to You - Instrumental Version
11. Beach at Twilight
12. Looking back the Past
13. Delusion
14. Dive
15. Con Fuoco
16. Approachers
17. Forest
18. Dive to You for Piano
19. Ike! Dap
20. Dive to You for string
21. Friends
22. Light
23. Dive to You for Chamber Orchestra
24. Minamo Talking to Herself
25. Duo-Minamo And Kushima plays Paganini
26. Emergency (well, not really....)
27. Onlookers
28. Labyrinth of Thinking
29. Confront
30. Self-righteousness
31. Emergency
32. RD Theme (Revised)
33. Dive to you
34. Katahiza no Yogore (TV SIZE)

Disc 2
1. Artificial island morning
2. The old man and the sea
3. Artificial island afternoon
4. Antique Gull
5. Action
6. Kanrakugai
7. Pleasure
8. Rehabilitation
9. Moody
10. Artificial island evening
11. Minamo thinks
12. Heartwarming
13. Minamo reckless
14. Tender
15. Mind commutes
16. Minamo runs
17. Denriken
18. Minamo
19. Minamo sad
20. Serious
21. Mind each other
22. Fishy
23. Cantrip
24. Tension
25. Worry
26. Slump
27. Regrettable
28. Girl
29. Worry
30. Past
31. Sea of metal

tangotreats
10-16-2008, 12:10 PM
C'mon guys, this is easily the best score of the year - well, Hirano's contributions are, anyway... Thank you to the original poster!

And, though this will sound preachy, hear me out: If you ever thought you might buy something you saw hear and liked it, let it be scores like this. Expensive orchestral scores like this don't get recorded for pennies, and consequently producers don't use them as often as they should. Show your support, put your hand in your pocket, and buy the soundtrack CDs. I really mean that. If the CDs sell well, the producers realise that an orchestral score is worth having, and that it sells discs - and the next time he makes an anime, he might just fight that little bit harder to get the budget for a decent score, rather than going the usual route of hiring some guy, a keyboard, and an electric guitar player.

Support the art - support the composers, support the people who make them. These are clever people - unlike the people who "write" 99% of the cheapo anime scores out there, and they deserve that much. Show them that you've noticed the effort they put in.

I imported this CD on release date - WELL worth the money.

Sermon over - thanks folks. :)

Orie
10-16-2008, 07:09 PM
you're sermon cant work on me :D
I am favor on suport our favorite artists and everything. I suport my favorite bands and singers (crematory, Nightwish, Turmion Katilot), but in the country I live it IS IMPOSSIBLE to suport, for example, my favorite anime composer, Kenji Kawai (or Yoko Kanno). This country is a hole on the breach of imagination. The sense of taste of music in this country is so bad that it is VERY RARE to talk to someone about a soundtrack in specific way. No one cares about Orchestrations. So damn Lame!...
The only anime Soundtrack I have ORIGINAL are the Dragon ball Z Ongakushu 2 and now Metropolis ost. I just recently aqcuired this ost wich i love a lot.
I already had it in mp3.... But we cant ignore those pretty booklets in every music cd, even for a metal band.
And also recently, I saw for the first time in my life, in this country an ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK of a Tim Burtun movie. Danny Elfman's Edward Scizorhands OST. I was born 22 years ago, and...22 years later I finally saw a ost being seled in this crappy world.
I should say that in Portugal the TRUE MUSIC GENIUS are not know, becuase everyone here wants to listen music that is fashion...
*KILL EM ALL*

tangotreats
10-16-2008, 08:12 PM
Buddy, it's not just in Portugal. It seems to be in most Western countries. It's sad, to be sure - but it doesn't feel so bad when you know that there IS a small, hard core of people who are capable of independent thought... :)

As to your choices for favourite composer - well, Kenji Kawai drives me completely up the wall, and Yoko Kanno is a lying thief - but I have the utmost respect for you for having that sort of conviction, and for liking something because you like it, not because it's the current "thing" that you "should" like, because society tells you it's true.

You can *always* support the people who touch you. Music, the one true universal language of the world - for which we don't need subtitles or explanations - the only true requirement is a heart. You don't even need ears to experience the power of music - deaf people feel it, and Beethoven didn't need hearing because he heard music playing inside his head.

There isn't a great deal of mainstream anime availability in this country (England). There is a small shelf of soundtracks in HMV (Oxford St) and a pretty respectable section for DVDs - but you can guess what's there... Akira, Overfiend, etc.

Since I got into anime music (only two years ago) and then anime itself (yes, I really did get into it all that way around) I've gone to a great deal of trouble to support the artists I love in any way I can. I import (ridiculously expensive) CDs from Japan, and I buy DVDs. In today's society, there's a curious thought that everything should be free, and all things should be available to all people. I agree with this from a purely altruistic, artistic point of view (art should be available to everybody, not just the wealthy) but the fact of the world is, if it's all take take take, and no give - soon enough there will be nothing left to take.

Getting back to the point, Real Drive didn't need a score like this. It really didn't. All it needed was yet another cheap synthy television score - it would've done the job, and that's pretty much all anybody would expect. Most of the time, that's all they get. But occasionally somebody with a great passion decides that, maybe this one is worth spending some money on... And they hire a truly talented, 21st century genius (Hirano) and fifty musicians, pay them all, and record music that isn't just a score to an anime show, but is great music too.

Now, commercial interests are just as big in Japan as anywhere else - although they tend to find ways to mix quality and commercialism, contrary to the Western ideal which is to commercialise at the expense of *anything*, and quality is usually the first thing to go.

So, anime show producer pays for great music to be written for anime show, and devotes a fair bit of budget to that cause. People will watch the anime no matter what the music is like, so he can't tell if he made the right decision by looking at DVD sales or TV ratings. He therefore releases a soundtrack CD. What happens next?

If the sales are crappy, he believes that nobody cares about his �50,000 score and so he might as well spend that money somewhere else, next time around. And next time, you get some idiot playing a cheap keyboard, and everybody says "Waah, the music is shit!" and nobody buys that soundtrack either. But Mr Producer doesn't care, because as long as people are watching his anime, his family get somewhere to live and he earns a living.

But, if sales are exceptional, or even just respectable, he'll know he's on to something... Maybe he might even go that little bit further next time, spend some more money, get a bigger orchestra, more music, etc, etc.

Look at the wonderful things you get when somebody takes a risk. Risks have to pay off, though, otherwise producers will stop making them.

It's a crappy time as far as quality music for film and television is concerned ANYWAY - every good score is a miracle. They will dry up all together if he only sells one CD and somebody pirates it a billion times, because as far as the record company is concerned, only one person thought it was good enough to be worth paying for. They have to pay for the music to be written and recorded, and if they're not making that money back, next time they won't pay as much... The cycle is complete. Crap music in television and film for the rest of eternity.

C'mon folks, if you've got any money and any affection for the music you're listening to here - at least consider putting your hand in your pocket and buying it. Your money will go to making the next one even better.

(Disclaimer: I don't work the the RIAA, although I *am* a composer. I'm not trying to sound like an anti-piracy killjoy prick - merely making a point that it's only courtesy for us to show our appreciation to the artists by not stealing their creations. I am a regular downloader and contributer here, but *always* buy what I download if I like it (and if I don't, it gets deleted) - and my uploads are always made with the thought of introducing people to something new and getting them out there with their wallets. :)

If he sells

Orie
10-16-2008, 10:01 PM
jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i did not need it to write that much XDXD
we got the point at first. :)

tangotreats
10-16-2008, 10:25 PM
Beg pardon...

Lawrence_Bastard
10-18-2008, 07:58 PM
As to your choices for favourite composer - well, Kenji Kawai drives me completely up the wall, and Yoko Kanno is a lying thief
That second part is a damning statement. I don't know what you have to back it up or if it's just "common knowledge".


In today's society, there's a curious thought that everything should be free, and all things should be available to all people.
No, I think greed started a lot longer ago than today.

I'd like to throw my two cents into this. I was once very desperate for some Patlabor stuff (Kenji Kawai rules), so I bought a few of the available soundtracks from CDJapan. At that time, I paid no import costs, just shipping. Fast forward a few years, and I decide to buy some Detective Conan stuff from CDJapan.

This time I did pay import costs, which combined with shipping to drive the price up from $30 to $50 (CAN). The best part is, I didn't even like half the songs; I bought the CD hoping that the songs I wanted were on it, and I got screwed. It couldn't be helped since the selection of DC stuff is sparse on the web.

It really does suck that the only way to support the artists is to pay more for the soundtracks than you should. What makes it even more annoying is that the sites that sell anime and VG soundtracks don't even make the effort to translate the tracklist and give appropriate composer credits.

Does that justify stealing it on the net? No because stealing is stealing is stealing. In addition there is another option. I'm pretty sure there are sites out there that sell individual songs for $1 each or something. I don't know how reliable the service is, but the fact that it exists means I no longer have any excuse not to shell out $17 for 17 mp3s.

So why don't I do it? I'm a greedy pig, money is scarce, and music is a luxury. But I'm not perfectly greedy. I did buy the V Gundam scores from CDJapan, and I bought the Silent Hill 2 OST and the Higurashi no Naku Koro ni vol. 2 OST from Amazon.ca because it was available. I'm willing to buy the CDs and support the artists; I just want to pay a fair price.

That pay per mp3 service pretty much shot whatever legitimate argument I had to hell. I won't use it anyway. If I'm gonna pay anyone for mp3s, it's going to be in the form of donations to the websites that rip, tag, and provide the mp3s for free download.


All it needed was yet another cheap synthy television score - it would've done the job, and that's pretty much all anybody would expect... But occasionally somebody with a great passion decides that, maybe this one is worth spending some money on... And they hire a truly talented, 21st century genius (Hirano) and fifty musicians, pay them all, and record music that isn't just a score to an anime show, but is great music too.
*Gasp!* You're a genre-discriminator! I guess that's not such a shock. There are people out there who believe that only classical music has any merit, or that every song has to have an electric guitar, or that rap is crap. I don't care for that kind of mentality; it severely limits the kinds of music one can enjoy. I keep the mindset of "if it's good, I like it". What's good to me has nothing to do with genre.

I can't convince you to change your mentality in differentiating between good and bad music. You've already decided your tastes. All I can say is that more instruments making more noise does not equal better. Motoi Sakuraba has taught me this, to my regret.


If the sales are crappy, he believes that nobody cares about his �50,000 score and so he might as well spend that money somewhere else, next time around.
You mean if sales are crappy in Japan. Remember, the Japanese companies that produce these shows don't actively market these soundtracks outside of Japan.

Actually I'm being presumptuous. I know they don't market them in Canada because I live there and I've never seen a VG or anime soundtrack on the shelves of CD or VG stores. I've never even seen an advertisement for them. The only exceptions are those soundtracks produced by Western composers (Halo, Bully, etc.). You want something from Masashi Hamauzu, you're out of luck.


It's a crappy time as far as quality music for film and television is concerned ANYWAY - every good score is a miracle.
Now there's a sweeping statement. It also depends on which composers you're talking about, but we don't have to get into this.


They have to pay for the music to be written and recorded, and if they're not making that money back, next time they won't pay as much... The cycle is complete. Crap music in television and film for the rest of eternity.
The second part's way too exaggerated, but I have to agree with the logic of the first part. There are no doubt consequences for mass downloading soundtracks; as the old saying goes, "Nothing is free, even when it's 'free'". As proof, Rogers' new download limits impose higher Internet costs for those who go over the monthly GB allowance.


C'mon folks, if you've got any money and any affection for the music you're listening to here - at least consider putting your hand in your pocket and buying it. Your money will go to making the next one even better.
I'm not interested in making sure that the next soundtrack is better. I'm more concerned with showing gratitude to the composer his or herself. I'll gladly pay for the soundtracks I've thoroughly enjoyed, when it's available at a FAIR PRICE. Conversely, when I get to a point in life where I have more income, I'll even settle for the BS import costs. I really do like owning the soundtrack instead of just the mp3s.

EDIT: Haw haw! My post is longer!

tangotreats
10-19-2008, 08:46 PM
That second part is a damning statement. I don't know what you have to back it up or if it's just "common knowledge".

I just don't like Kawai - except in Avalon, which is one of my favourite scores of all time. That's just a case of personal taste - I just don't think the guy is all that good. I'm always ready to have my opinion changed, however.

As far as Kanno goes, once again, I love the music, but the fact that a significant percentage of it is plagiarised from numerous (and varied) sources is inescapable, even from a fan such as myself. Kanno deserves not a cent of my money or anybody else's, when her success has been (to a sizable degree) created off the backs of countless, uncredited, considerably more talented, people.


No, I think greed started a lot longer ago than today.

Oh, absolutely... Greed has been around forever. But in a more focussed sense, I think that since the proliferation of free music (and easy availability thereof) on the Internet has shifted perceptions to the extent that it's not even greed any more. It's a God-given right. We are now living in an era in which a completely new generation of music lovers are growing up - none of whom have *ever* purchased a single track, and have absolutely no concept of why they maybe should do occasionally.


It really does suck that the only way to support the artists is to pay more for the soundtracks than you should. What makes it even more annoying is that the sites that sell anime and VG soundtracks don't even make the effort to translate the tracklist and give appropriate composer credits.

Completely agree. Obviously we're not that important to them - or perhaps there just isn't sufficient numbers of interested Westerners to make it financially worth their while. I suppose the feeling is "You're damn lucky we've even made this available to you, what more do you want?" because without them, we literally would have *no way* at all to obtain anime/VG music legally. Unless we learned Japanese, cajouled a Japanese speaking friend, etc... And most Japanese firms won't ship out of Japan, so add to that the need to find a friendly Japanese person *in Japan* to receive the shipment and then send it over to wherever you and I happen to live. Not a chance in hell.

Buying CDs supports artists in the sense of royalties, but looking at it a little wider... It also supports them because CD sales tells producers that XYZ composer is popular / good, etc, and encourages them to hire him again in the future. Therefore, CD sales contribute to an artist's continued viability in the industry - and therefore gives him more and more chances to develop his art.


Does that justify stealing it on the net? No because stealing is stealing is stealing. In addition there is another option. I'm pretty sure there are sites out there that sell individual songs for $1 each or something. I don't know how reliable the service is, but the fact that it exists means I no longer have any excuse not to shell out $17 for 17 mp3s.

No idea, and yes, the prices are completely exorbitant.


So why don't I do it? I'm a greedy pig, money is scarce, and music is a luxury. But I'm not perfectly greedy. I did buy the V Gundam scores from CDJapan, and I bought the Silent Hill 2 OST and the Higurashi no Naku Koro ni vol. 2 OST from Amazon.ca because it was available. I'm willing to buy the CDs and support the artists; I just want to pay a fair price.

But you're not from the (growing) culture that says "Sod the artists, sod the record companies, I take all my music for free because I like music, and why should I pay those fat cat bastards anyway, I'm poor and I want to listen to music, so bollocks to the lot of you."

And fair price, now there's something we'll NEVER get... I just imported a CD the other day (also by Hirano), and if you include shipping and import costs, it set me back �22 - I think that's about $35. The CD showed up and I found it contained 34 minutes of music, 15 minutes of which wasn't by Hirano and wasn't even in the series. Heh, wonderful - now that CD is going on eBay and I doubt it will sell at all, let alone help me recoup my investment. You win some, you lose some - but still, it's a bitter pill to swallow.


That pay per mp3 service pretty much shot whatever legitimate argument I had to hell. I won't use it anyway. If I'm gonna pay anyone for mp3s, it's going to be in the form of donations to the websites that rip, tag, and provide the mp3s for free download.

Which is pretty ironic, since you are paying thieves for stolen merchandise, instead of just paying the people who *made* the merchandise, or paying a company who would forward some of the income to them. Until the record companies pull their fingers out their backsides, and make it easy and convenient to obtain music legally online, this is going to continue. And we won't be supporting the artists in the slightest bit. In fact, we'll be giving them even more of the shaft than if we'd just pirated their stuff in the first place.


*Gasp!* You're a genre-discriminator! I guess that's not such a shock. There are people out there who believe that only classical music has any merit, or that every song has to have an electric guitar, or that rap is crap. I don't care for that kind of mentality; it severely limits the kinds of music one can enjoy. I keep the mindset of "if it's good, I like it". What's good to me has nothing to do with genre.

Wait a minute, not at all. I don't care about genre - I care about quality, and you can find quality in every single genre of music there is. Coming from a classical background, I have a vague bias towards symphonic music, but that's not to the exclusion of everything else. There are people out there who believe that *all* music within a certain genre is excellent, and that anything outside of that genre is crap. I don't care for *that* kind of mentality. (Note - not saying this is you, just observing different mindsets prevalent in the world today.) :)


I can't convince you to change your mentality in differentiating between good and bad music. You've already decided your tastes. All I can say is that more instruments making more noise does not equal better. Motoi Sakuraba has taught me this, to my regret.

On the contrary, my tastes are always willing to be changed - nothing makes me happier than discovering something new, or re-evaluating something I didn't like and finally "getting it" and realising that I like it.

But I *do* distinguish between good and bad music, and I tend to do it to slightly more obsessive standards than most people. There is a lot of crap music out there - fact. There are a lot of people out there who enjoy it regardless - fact. There's no problem with that - none at all; not every piece of music, score, song, or symphony has to be saturated in artistic genius, but I do think it's important to recognise what is and what isn't.

I really like the Cheeky Girls. They're complete shit. I know that, and I don't care, because I like them. I think they're great. But I wouldn't deny anybody the right to say that they weren't, because it's really a fact that you can't escape - their music isn't as intelligent as Beethoven's, nor as well arranged, nor was it created by musicians with anywhere near his talent. But it's bloody great to dance around to at a drunken party.

And, I have never, EVER once suggested the more instruments equals better. All that more instruments equals is more expensive, which often isn't better. One of my favourite scores of all time is Poledouris' "It's My Party" - which is one man (Poledouris) and a piano. But the music is good, and I mean it's good, worthy, intelligent, wonderful music.

Noise doesn't mean good music, and louder noise doesn't mean better music. Only good music means good music, and good music is good music, whether it's performed on comb-and-paper, or a 120 piece symphony orchestra.

Just take a look at some of the utter dreck coming out of Hollywood today. These movies have music budgets of over a million dollars. But the music is (with a few happy exceptions) rarely of any artistic merit - it's extremely loud, forceful, expensive, over-produced; but emotionally baren. Artistically baren. Yeah, it vaguely serves its purpose, but it's not anything we'll be remembering fifty years from now. Ben-Hur (1959) is *still* considered a classic - quality doesn't depreciate over time. You might not like it, you might like it - but you can't really argue with the sheer quality of it. Do you think we'll be discussing "Iron Man" or some rubbish like that in such reverred tones in 2058? I think not - I think we'll still be talking about Ben-Hur.

However - if you were a composer, writing music for TV - pick a show, any show, that's pretty cheap and intellectually vapid - and your music budget is basically zero, and you have a keyboard and maybe a guitar or something else with which to make your music... Are you really going to write something great? Are you going to waste your effort? Nah, you're just going to throw together some crap that does the job, take the money, and pray that your next project shows your talents a bit more respect.


You mean if sales are crappy in Japan. Remember, the Japanese companies that produce these shows don't actively market these soundtracks outside of Japan.

Actually I'm being presumptuous. I know they don't market them in Canada because I live there and I've never seen a VG or anime soundtrack on the shelves of CD or VG stores. I've never even seen an advertisement for them. The only exceptions are those soundtracks produced by Western composers (Halo, Bully, etc.). You want something from Masashi Hamauzu, you're out of luck.

True, true - we're not really the target demographic. And I think it's pretty safe to say that 99% of Asian scores aren't actively sold outside of Asia, and that the sales through places like Play Asia and CDjapan must be piffling peanuts compared to the sales in Japan. Since just about every single series ever made gets a soundtrack release, they must be selling CDs - or they wouldn't bother... Who knows?


Now there's a sweeping statement. It also depends on which composers you're talking about, but we don't have to get into this.

Well, yes, it was a very generalised statement, but it's a big topic, and to make a statement that didn't make any kind of generalisation at all, we'd have to fill up hundreds of pages, and bring in testimony from dead people, musicologists, fans, film critics, etc... Not likely.

What I was really getting at... Taking Real Drive as an example, isn't it amazing that music like this is written at ALL today, in the current climate of rock scores, Media Ventures, etc? Let alone for what is effectively a television cartoon show. And by a composer who has an enviable musical education at a prestigious college, and to cap it off, is incredibly talented...

In a world where talent and artistry doesn't really matter all that much (do you think Hollywood gives a crap if the score is actually good music, or do they just want to make money?) I stand by my assertion that it's a miracle when somebody shows up and writes something as exceptional as this. It could so easily have been a piece of crap. Probably nobody would have noticed. But the fact that it isn't - somebody loved it that much that they made what is effectively a labour of love... That kind of direct human influence isn't really seen too often in the commercial world.


The second part's way too exaggerated, but I have to agree with the logic of the first part. There are no doubt consequences for mass downloading soundtracks; as the old saying goes, "Nothing is free, even when it's 'free'". As proof, Rogers' new download limits impose higher Internet costs for those who go over the monthly GB allowance.

Exaggerated maybe, but it's a possible outcome. And I believe we can see evidence of this already, although clearly it hasn't happened yet, as we're still getting a respectable supply of quality (although almost all of it appears to be coming from Overseas!) it will most likely dry up, because nobody is noticing its presence any more.

For most people, it's difficult to get them to see the bigger picture, because as they rightly say, what difference to the world is it going to make if I - just one person on a planet of seven billion inhabitants? But if everybody thinks that way, you've got a bloody big difference.

I'm a composer (for the concert hall and the occasional cheap film,) but it's not my primary career - right now, it's a hobby. If it were my primary source of income, then piracy has a direct, extremely well pronounced impact on whether I can afford to eat this week, or turn on the central heating next week, or buy my mother a Christmas present. Right now, I barely get pirated at all, because I'm not in the slightest bit high-profile enough. But even now I get pirated. I pressed one copy of an album, gave it to a friend as a gift - he copied it and gave it to his wife, she copied it and gave it to her sister, she copied it, etc, etc, etc... And I never sold one single sodding copy, although about twenty or thirty people heard my album. Small potatoes, yes - but if I were popular, or high profile, or dependent on music for income, it could be a real problem.


I'm not interested in making sure that the next soundtrack is better. I'm more concerned with showing gratitude to the composer his or herself. I'll gladly pay for the soundtracks I've thoroughly enjoyed, when it's available at a FAIR PRICE. Conversely, when I get to a point in life where I have more income, I'll even settle for the BS import costs. I really do like owning the soundtrack instead of just the mp3s.

Most people will, by and large, make their first reaction "Sod off!" if somebody tells them they should show some gratitude for something that they enjoyed. So I took that particular route because it implies getting something back.

"Do this and you'll get something really good" works better than "Do this and you'll have the moral high ground" in most cases. ;)

Showing a composer gratitude can take many forms - financial gratitude, by buying his CD, or personal gratitude, by writing to him and saying how much you enjoy his work. I do both on a regular basis, but if you want to avoid being seen as an obsessive stalking fanboy, usually you get the best of both worlds with the "Buy it" option. You're recompensing the artist for his work, and demonstrating your respect for his talent. You're also supporting the evil corporation - which most people will see as a bad thing, but I don't, because the evil corporation is what is giving the composer work to do. The more money they make selling CDs, and more likely they are to call up that particular composer the next time they need some music - and the more he works, the more appreciated he feels - and the more music he gets to write, the better he is able to develop his talent. :)

HA HA - My post is EVEN LONGER! ;)

Orie
10-20-2008, 12:36 PM
My god!
This looks like a MORTAL KOMBAT!
XDXD


Okay, dannyfrench, HONEY, you seem that you CANT give opinions that no it doesn't cares for anyone's health.
I don't see the point of this conversation.
I'ts obviuos that you have a mental problem. I tell others to dont forget to suport artists, when this is a forum where everyone downlodas songs, perhaps....millions of peopple download from here.
i really dont like when people start talk like this. who are to talk about suporting our artists when you TOO donwload and do not suport it some specific artist.
I do agree on suporting our favorite artists. but in my case...no soundtrack artist can be suported by me as much i wanted.
I dont even have a credit card to order stuff outside. *I wish I had it. T_T*
I can only suport artists i like bu of bands. I would DIE if I could get my hands on any KENJI KAWAI SOUNDTRACK. I grown up with it's music.
I am a musician too, so this crappy talk has no sense. I have been recording songs and GIVING IT to some of my friends to spread the word and also a bar I like to go, has my band songs, and they also try to spread it.
So in my case, I dont care about money and I certantly dont want a label that makes me work on pressure. I just want to make music and if people are downloading my songs and not buying the original cds, i dont care, as long as they listen to my music.
That's my way of thinking, because I do that. I download a specific band album, maybe for curiosity or just because its a band i like; I download it and if I like it enough I'll go buy it. I prefer doing this rather then wasting money on thing that looks cool outisde and the content it's just trash. There is only some exceptions with some bands and singers i really like, that if i see it, I suddenly got a disease of "BUY IMMEDIATELLY" :P.
Nothing is better then to have an original cd or soundtrack. To see pretty covers and booklets...to have something...ORIGINAL.
KENJI KAWAI will alwys rule IN MY HEART! XD
YOKO "thief" KANNO still in my favorites. But when cames to taste, there is no reason AT ALL to be against it.

dannyfrench HONEY, you dont like what like, and I dont like what you like. Stick with this.
Iff you dont like, just shut up.
Although...everyone has the right to is opinion, but it's more better and nice, not to look offensive. :)
I'm not saying that I got offended with you but some of you writing can be misscompreehended.

Cheers up everyone!!
Were friends! :)

tangotreats
10-20-2008, 06:42 PM
[Blazing row deleted - issue resolved, everybody happy. Getting back on topic - thank you, gentlemen. :)]

guardedfromspam
10-20-2008, 07:53 PM
Morrigan, thank you so much for this upload! This is one of my most sought-after OSTs. The version of the opening on here is actually better than on the single, and orchestral music is wonderful.

I was especially surprised when I heard the Paganini theme while watching the show, then seeing later how it was integrated into the episode about just intonation.

tangotreats
10-20-2008, 09:52 PM
It's pretty great, isn't it?

This one was a completely blind buy for me - well, almost. I saw one episode of Real Drive and went straight over to pre-order it. As a happy coincidence, they accidentally shipped my copy a week before the release date! :)

The Paganini variations floored me - I think it's been a few years since a composer has attempted it, and the last place I would have expected to hear somebody try was in a TV anime. It really is a mini symphony based upon a very famous theme of Paganini, but completely Hirano's piece. It seems to follow the "hall of distorting mirrors" pattern, where at the outset you have a very straightforward statement of the theme, and throughout the piece it is distorted, twisted, manipulated until it's almost unrecognisable - and then as the piece finishes it gradually coalesces back into the original theme. VERY clever stuff indeed.

Actually, every orchestral track feels to me like a little symphony - Toward The Light is truly magnificent. A beautiful classical-esque theme explodes out of chaos. It breathes, it develops, it's organic - it weaves its own path. At 1:38 Hirano starts playing around with a tiny little fragment of the melody and it morphs into a glittering, dissonant brass fanfare - which eases a key change and grand restatement of the main theme - but with a wordless female vocalist now carrying the graceful main melody. The conclusion is pure Hirano - vague dissonance fading in and out, but never distracting from the loveliness of the piece.

I'm sorry - I could really go on about this for pages and pages and pages. Hirano NEVER disappoints, not EVER - in fact, he goes above and beyond the call of duty again and again and again.

As for Taniuchi's contribution, it's just not my thing... I'm sure it's used very appropriately in the series, but I'm afraid my love will always be for the first disc - pure, unadulterated CLASS, that appeals to the intellect and to the heart in completely equal quantities. :)

Orie
10-20-2008, 10:18 PM
I heard taniuchi on Otogi zoushi... not a big deal...
but Hirano I dont know very good. But I liked a lot hsi ost of Himitsu The Revelation. And this anime series I have to see it. It's Masamune Shirow Stories...I'm Fan of the man, I'm obligated to see it :D
BUt this ost i did not listen very well...
but yes... taniuchi did not impressed me that much :/

tangotreats
10-20-2008, 11:08 PM
Himitsu is wonderful, absolutely wonderful - a real branch out for Hirano as well. I prefer his more symphonic work, sure, but it's still utterly excellent stuff. He does Latin dance alarmingly well!

As far as Taniuchi goes, it all seems to be mainly ambient electronica, or heavy rock - but not particularly good in either case. I don't quite understand the logic of dividing the score between two musicians who are such complete polar opposites, but hey - at least we got some excellent Hirano music. :)

guardedfromspam
10-20-2008, 11:38 PM
Yoko Kanno is a lying thief


Heh, yanno, you could probably take it a little easier on her. After all, one could put up a good argument that Hirano's motif for this entire series is stolen from John Williams' ET motif. The music is still wonderful, even if I can't the image out of my head of Holon sticking out a glowing finger toward Minamo and saying a croaky voice "beee.....gooooood...."

tangotreats
10-20-2008, 11:41 PM
Haha! :)

The difference is, that's two notes in a whole score. If you can point me to any sections here where Hirano has done a verbatim copy and paste job from somebody else's score, or at the very least clearly based a cue upon another piece of music, or allowed his own style to disappear (or be so uncertain that you're not entirely sure just what it comprises) under the weight of his influences, I'll agree with you... ;)

[Edit: 0:57 in RD Theme (revised) is clearly a quote from Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony. But I'll maintain there is a clear difference between quotation/homage and outright lazy theft. Please see the Kanno thread for more - I don't think here is the place to go into great detail...]

[Edit: Sorry, the 6th symphony - I'm tired...]

guardedfromspam
10-20-2008, 11:45 PM
Here is the Paganini variation as interpreted by Brahms on the piano for anyone interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiTwSK8PvIM

tangotreats
10-20-2008, 11:47 PM
A fine performance - thank you. :)

Lawrence_Bastard
10-25-2008, 09:38 PM
Okay, dannyfrench, HONEY, you seem that you CANT give opinions that no it doesn't cares for anyone's health.
I don't see the point of this conversation.
I'ts obviuos that you have a mental problem.

i really dont like when people start talk like this. who are to talk about suporting our artists when you TOO donwload and do not suport it some specific artist.

Nothing is better then to have an original cd or soundtrack. To see pretty covers and booklets...to have something...ORIGINAL.

dannyfrench HONEY, you dont like what like, and I dont like what you like. Stick with this.
Iff you dont like, just shut up.
Morrigan, I don't think Danny said anything that warranted insulting his intelligence or telling him to shut up.

I'm getting the feeling that when he talked about people who download music without considering the musicians who lose money as a result, you thought that he was saying that you are among them. I don't believe that myself and I'm quite sure Danny doesn't.

We know that you care about the artists themselves. You started a discography page for two of your favourite composers, Kenji Kawai and Kou Outani. But you AND I shouldn't lose sight of the fact that we like these artists, but we don't support them. Sometimes we do when we can afford it.

In fact, I think there is only one moral justification for downloading soundtracks or game music. That's when the CD is out of print or there is no soundtrack to a game that's been ripped.

Anyway, these discussions about the morality of downloading free music can be pretty touchy. Nevertheless, Danny was not trying to create a fight. We were just discussing the merits of soundtracks with high/low production values.

I'm too lazy to post more.

EDIT: BTW I know that I'm posting a rather late response. Mid-terms. Go figure.

Cereus
10-25-2008, 09:53 PM
I love Hirano's works. It's a pity that the only place I can go to purchase OST's are in Kinokuniya Bookstores in downtown Seattle and even then they tend to overcharge for them. It's a good sixty bucks per CD and I've done the math conversions of the yen to USD. =_=;

However I love to support the artist/composers by purchasing CD's online where it's cheaper.

zaykho
10-25-2008, 10:04 PM
WOw WOw guys !!

Don't forget this > Say thank's if you like this album ^^

So, Than'k you "morrigan666" to have share this great album.

And for DannyFrench, I want just to say this:

I'm buying all japanese cd's what I find, even at 90€, but I'm living in very small Island in the Ocean indien, so its just impossible for me to buy some albums, and, thank's to Galbadia and his community to give me the chance to heard all this beautiful songs.

So, we downloading what we can't buy.....
Exemple, I have had the chance to buy a very very rare album >http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=59986> and if I share this album, its simply a respect for these artist, now, every guys who download this album know some artist like: Mai Kuraki, Wvyolica, Sakura, Sugar soul etc.......

And then, when these guys see these artists a her JapaneseMusicShop, they're will be buy it, because they are know what type of music is.

PS: sorry for my bad english, i do my best.

arsenaltillidie666
04-11-2016, 09:30 PM
Links don't work(((

Orie
04-28-2016, 08:43 PM
2016.04.28 Re Uploaded

I forgot how amazing and beautiful this soundtrack was. Well... the Hirano disc anyway.
:)

JJShanny
04-28-2016, 08:51 PM
Thanks Orie i found this soundtrack on another site a year ago or so but could not be arsed to download each track individually.