hello guys, its me,

today we discuss the meaning of man-nippl.... OH, WAIT, NO!
this isnt that gay forum im going to destroy.............
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where was i?

oh yeah, chrono cross..

ahem

VELCOME TO ZE CHRONO CROSS APPRECIATION THREAD!

in this thread, we shall discuss the good and the bad of this excellent game from -back then- squaresoft.



(please excuse the measly image, i just got a new pc and havent installed paint shop to make my own thread picture)

released in 1999 in weabooland and in 2000 in the fastfood nation (eurofagia didnt get this game) and sequel to the best damn rpg of all time, chrono trigger (CT), sets us in the role of serge, a retarded mute who hears voices in the middle of a date and ends up in a parallel world where everything is the same... except he died 7 years ago.

before i go on, let me bore you more with how CC came to my life

chrono cross (hereby CC) is a game that changed my gaming life. after beating CT with all its endings twice, i thought i could not find a good challenge, ff7 was good, but not godly (IMO), ff8 was better (imo) and thousand arms far surpassed both in my taste, until CC, thousand arms was the second best rpg i have ever played (today its ranked the 4th), with CT being the first, but then i go to a local game store, and while browsing the PSX list, my eyes catch the clock logo from CT, quickly overcoming my attention from the cute girl (yes, girls exist in the real world) next to me.
the title said CHRONO CROSS, and seeing it was from squaresoft, my mind started analysing the situation (chrono + squaresoft = sequel).
when i came to, i was walking away half the block with the game in a plastic bag, along with the receipt.
came back home, plugged my psx, and after the video, i could not stop playing. i was so dazzled it took me 10 hours (and several tries) to reach viper manor... by force... from the front gate....with pierre.


onwards to the appreciation of CC, the music.
very personally i think this is the best work of yatsunori mitsuda, i bought the OST a day later in a otaku store and it confirmed this (minus 2 or 3 tracks). i myself living near the sea, the ost always made me think about the sea, even the fight themes, it would make you think of a high budget pirate film, but the sea was always in my mind, no matter the track (except chronopolis).

THE BATTLE SYSTEM:
this is where it gets interesting, we have 3 types of attack: low, medium and high, each with a percentage which changes accordingly. and we have the elements (or magic, if you wish) wish have a color atribute that mostly resembles the stereotypical atribute (red=fire, blue= water, etc), but once you have used an element, you can use it again, so plan its use well.
using an element changes the field's color, which if all 3 fields are of the same color, the summoning of a powerful entity can be made possible.

the characters:
THEYRE OVER 9000!!!!..................minus 8960....that leaves 40, but still, thats a lot, and each have their own atributes and defects.
ranging from beautiful girls, faggots, weirdos and furries.
some are useful, others make you cry.
some characters can be recruited anytime, others can be recruited based on your decisions (which will make other characters unavailable), and others join you automatically as the story progresses, now, dont think that because a character left you doesnt mean you cant use him, because with an item called tele-porter, you can bring his/her/its ass back to your party.

THE STORY:
a cocktail of aids, cancer and emo faggotry.... thats not chrono cross, thats guitar hero.

the story is magnificent, from the questionable motives of kid, to the "everyone betrays everyone" point, to the cliched I AM YOUR FATHER (NOOOOOOOO). the story contains countless plot twists (some predictable, some pulled out of our asses), and the many references and direct conections to CT will make you WOW the whole time.
(specially in the dead sea...)

OVERALL:
its a great game that had a hard start because people were expecting a sequel to the events of CT (ie: use crono, marle, etc, again), but as time went and the game became widely known (and harder to find) people would sell their souls to get their hands on the game.

i encourage everyone to give this game a try, you will not be dissapointed.

Shouldn't this be in the reviews and recommendations forum?

Since it looks like a review...

it does? well, im appreciating the settings i posted, actually.
we are here to appreciate this unapreciated game, so of course i had to recommend everyone to play it.

Good job this game is a work of art I am very lucky to have gotten the copy I have. Just recently I went to a second hand recored shop and found it for $12, got FF8 for $20 & FF9 for $16, when I got to the house I proceeded to complete CC, took all 3 days the first time through. This my first copy to own, Not the first time to play. still haven't played my seconed time to own copy of FF8.

Isn't there already one thread dedicated to fankidding on Chrono Cross? At any rate, I'd like to correct a factual error on CATASTROPHE's part.

Chrono Cross is not hard to find. At all. It got a Greatest Hits rerelease, so anybody who can type should be able to find a copy. A quickie ebay search found sealed copies of CC going for 12-14 USD, before shipping. That's not quite "selling their souls."

LOL. I'm an idiot XD

Hey, Neg, care to establish some context?

Yeah, seriously. First time I read that, I was like, huhwha? I'm glad I'm not the only one a bit mystified by that, lulz. Anyway, some friends are coming over for good times, so I had better lay off the Shrine for a bit. ;)

Isn't there already one thread dedicated to fankidding on Chrono Cross? At any rate, I'd like to correct a factual error on CATASTROPHE's part.

Chrono Cross is not hard to find. At all. It got a Greatest Hits rerelease, so anybody who can type should be able to find a copy. A quickie ebay search found sealed copies of CC going for 12-14 USD, before shipping. That's not quite "selling their souls."

not everyone can do ebay.
if that were my case, i would have over 9000 games.
but go to any game shop and i bet you wont find a copy of CC.

Duh, almost nobody carries PSX titles anymore. Just because you can't (or won't) get on ebay doesn't mean that the other 99% of the population can't.

not everyone can do ebay.
if that were my case, i would have over 9000 games.
but go to any game shop and i bet you wont find a copy of CC.

we get it, you go to /b/

Was it really necessary to make a new thread just because a whole lot of people said they didn't like it in the other one?

no, i was planning to make this topic, because to me, its the greatest rpg to date, and im sure im not alone in this

I think it ranks up there with the great ones.
Final Fantasy 1-12, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Sukoden, Phantasy Star IV, Grandia, the list keeps going...

I'm just posting in here to say I have an ebay account.

Was it really necessary to make a new thread just because a whole lot of people said they didn't like it in the other one?

I thought I was the only one bellyaching about it in the other thread? Your point stands either way.


I think it ranks up there with the great ones.
Final Fantasy 1-12, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Sukoden, Phantasy Star IV, Grandia, the list keeps going...

Like I said in the other CC thread, lens flares and a Squeenix logo...

Anyway, Squeenix isn't the end-all, be-all when it comes to RPG's, JFTR. Way to totally not mention anything made by BioWare or Bethesda.


I'm just posting in here to say I have an ebay account.

Gara wins the thread. Lock plz!

CONGRATULATIONS CANCERFAGS! (specially you psyco cyan)

YOU HAVE GIVEN THIS THREAD CANCER!

i just wanted to make a topic where i could share my thoughts about my favorite RPG in history, and all i wanted was for people to post THEIR expetiences with this game, good or bad (bad in a way like " I COULD NEVER BEAT DARIO)

but NOOOOO, here comes cancer-filled furfags like cyan above talking about his cybernetic love the lens flare (because thats all he talks about).
HEY BUDDY, GUESS WHAT? I DONT CARE!

im gonna ask for this cancer-filled topic to be locked, because cancer-filled fags ruined it.

but, thats what cancer-filled fags do, ruin everything.

ill remake the topic once this one is locked, reminding everyone to KEEP THE CANCER AWAY.
wanna talk BAD (lens flare) about chrono cross? NOT IN MY THREAD, make your own.

goddamn it, not a single happy moment in this day... thanks, cancer.

EXPLODING PIKACHU, SAVE THE DAY!

So, Mods are only a problem to you when they are doing something you don't agree with (e.g., stating their actions w/o adding content to a thread, or closing necrofied threads). When you want us to do something for you, we're suddenly peachy keen.

Grow up, show a little respect to the staff, and learn to accept that people are going to disagree with you, without blowing up.

Note: The idiot comment is because I was going to move this to Reviews and Recommendations, but I keep forgetting I'm only on General Gaming not it and RPGs both XD. LOL, Imma idiot.

So, Mods are only a problem to you when they are doing something you don't agree with (e.g., stating their actions w/o adding content to a thread, or closing necrofied threads). When you want us to do something for you, we're suddenly peachy keen.


wasnt my sarcasm detectable when i said that to that mod?
strange, my sarcasm is always obvious



Grow up, show a little respect to the staff, and learn to accept that people are going to disagree with you, without blowing up.


grow up? and become a boring adult? no thanks, im happy the way i am.
as stated above, it was merely sarcasm, in my travels, i have seen mods like that and worse, and ive come to give up trying to change that since 6 forums ago (which i rarely visit now)
at least i was hoping people to RESPECT someone else's opinion.
but instead they come and whine. its ok to joke a bi, but giving cancer to the thread is WAY too much.
but ive come to realize not a single topic in the entire shrine can be taken serious, so i guess ill never make a thread again, users cant take something serious here




Note: The idiot comment is because I was going to move this to Reviews and Recommendations, but I keep forgetting I'm only on General Gaming not it and RPGs both XD. LOL, Imma idiot.

but this is no review or recommendation.

Sarcasm or not, the message you are sending is still the same.

"GOTTA LOVE mods who just announce and no actual content related to the topic at hand is posted."

because clearly that was an insulting, racist, difamatory, unrealistic and sarcasm-filled comment that claims the entire administration team of the shrine is a cancer-filled *AFRICAN*tit with nothing else to do than to grow fat and bald....

right....

yeah, you SOOO got me.

Holy lol.

What is it with people getting personal with threads they create? And CATASTROPHE, stop with the constant memes. Fucking christ, "cancerfags" and "over 9000" got old from you like a week ago.

CATASTROPHE FOR ADMIN

(you'd do a better job than...)

Er. Right.

Chrono Cross was a decent RPG experience for me which I've replayed a number of times. Although I haven't played it lately I sometimes do fan art (lies) and write fanfics (more lies). The story was totally believable (lies) and to this day, I go to the beach hoping to step on a dimensional rift. What really stood out to me was the excellent soundtrack which I still listen to somewhat regularly.

tdkryu, Phantasy Star IV is one of the great RPGs? Please listen to Psycho Cyan and partake of a good Western RPG or two. Your list will be revised, hopefully.

I also think Neg is kinda cool.

MAN I PLAYED WESTERN RPGS THEY SUCK FOR ME

(I MEAN REALLY I HATE THEM)

(REALLY)

(THEY AREN'T AS COOL AS PUFFBALLS INHALING PENGUINS)

HEY CATASTROPHE


we get it, you go to /b/

I appreciate Chrono Cross. But I also appreciate that everyone has their opinion and that pointless bickering will not change the persons mind, it will just make them more defensive and defiant.

Post count +1

Cyan- I've only mentioned 4 Square titles 3 others quit crying some of us are not SquareSoft...er... SquareEnix geeks. Capcom, Namco, Bandai, & Konami just to name a few companys that have RPGs that rank up there...

Doom- I said Phatasy Star IV was a great one also Shining Force, Breath of Fire, Azure's tower.

I'm a self proclaimed Die Hard Sega fan& Hardcore Sony fanboy Growing with Atari 2600 to NES Final Fantasy 1 was a godsend not that River Raid & Pacman wasn't fun. Sega opened new avenues.

That part of my post aimed to recommend you play a Western RPG since you haven't mentioned any though I've never heard of Azure's Tower, which I suppose could be one. (I think you might be talking about Azure Dreams)

But I see you've identified yourself as a fanboy so I will abandon that small hope.

doom- recommend some titles
I'm a RPG fan above all

Your right its Azure Dreams... my bad

Fallout 1 and 2

Cyan- I've only mentioned 4 Square titles 3 others quit crying some of us are not SquareSoft...er... SquareEnix geeks. Capcom, Namco, Bandai, & Konami just to name a few companys that have RPGs that rank up there...

You said FFI-XII. That alone is far more than four. Add in CT, CC, and Xenogears, and you have a baker's dozen with change to spare. My point was that you should try some Western RPG's (as in games with actual role-playing) that are far better than a good chunk of your list of best RPG's.


CONGRATULATIONS CANCERFAGS! (specially you psyco cyan)

Learn to spell, you illiterate half-wit. My user-nick is RIGHT THERE.


i just wanted to make a topic where i could share my thoughts about my favorite RPG in history, and all i wanted was for people to post THEIR expetiences with this game, good or bad (bad in a way like " I COULD NEVER BEAT DARIO)

In other words, you wanted everybody to form a circle and masturbate all over Chrono Cross. Go to eyesonff if this worthless junk is all you're capable of.


but NOOOOO, here comes cancer-filled furfags like cyan above talking about his cybernetic love the lens flare (because thats all he talks about).
HEY BUDDY, GUESS WHAT? I DONT CARE!

You sure seem to, seeing as you've mentioned me twice already. Since you obviously lack the intelligence to get it, my lens flares line is more or less a joke I carried over from the other CC thread. Y'know, the original, not-useless one?

Free advice: If you don't want folks to disagree with you, don't bother posting stuff like this on FFS. You should know this by now, though.

I want free advice.

You don't need it, you're not spamming "over 9000!" jokes and "cancer-fag" (whatever the fuck that is) nonsense.

I still want some. I'll take anything that's free, minus that which is detrimental to my health.

Okay, fine. I'll give you two bits of advice, 'cause I like you, and because you were persistent.

First, don't play Chrono Cross. It's not as good as it's supporters here are making it out to be.

Second, stop playing Sonic. He sucks. ;)

.......... I have a better idea, play the game & judge for yourself.

post +1

Way to ignore stuff directed specifically at you, mate. :rolleyes:

I agree Sonic sucks.

Learn to spell, you illiterate (<-wtf is this shit?) half-wit. My user-nick is RIGHT THERE.





and i care about GRAMMAR in the internet... why?

I dunno so we can read what you post instead of um not reading ...

I don't know really hi anyways

CATASSTROPHIE, for once, try not to be a cunt. I know it's really, really hard for you, but try just once and see how it goes.

In other words, you wanted everybody to form a circle and masturbate all over Chrono Cross. Go to eyesonff if this worthless junk is all you're capable of.

no, i wanted people to have a serious discussion regarding this game.




You sure seem to, seeing as you've mentioned me twice already. Since you obviously lack the intelligence to get it, my lens flares line is more or less a joke I carried over from the other CC thread. Y'know, the original, not-useless one?

what i dont care is about the lens flare you so much love.
lens flare didnt bothered me in 2000, doesnt bother me today.
not my fault you lacked the brain cellls to understand THAT.



Free advice: If you don't want folks to disagree with you, don't bother posting stuff like this on FFS. You should know this by now, though.


free advice, learnm to do something other than bitch around.
you will get friends that way.




CATASSTROPHIE, for once, try not to be a cunt. I know it's really, really hard for you, but try just once and see how it goes.


dont make me be a cunt then.
its your doing, so undo it.

no, i wanted people to have a serious discussion regarding this game.

No you didn't. You started with a sophomoric homosexual joke and you've already said, "wanna talk BAD (lens flare) about chrono cross? NOT IN MY THREAD, make your own." You wanted a fanwank session. I'm sorry I spoiled your boner.

Now, if you really want a serious discussion, what's so freaking great about this game? You gave us a bare-bones description of the "magnificent story," but you've said it's got cliched and predictable plot-twists. Those things generally aren't considered "good," let alone "magnificent." You gave us a bare-bones description of the battle system, and in the other CC thread, I pointed out how the system was outdated because games like Xenogears and Legend of Legaia (that were released earlier) did a far better job with the stamina/pick your attack system. I'll grant you that CC had good music, but I wouldn't credit the music for "putting the sea on my mind," considering that the game's setting IS A FREAKING ARCHIPELAGO.


what i dont care is about the lens flare you so much love.
lens flare didnt bothered me in 2000, doesnt bother me today.
not my fault you lacked the brain cellls to understand THAT.

The whole point of the lens flare bit is twofold. One, there were so freaking many lens flares that it was comical. As in, Resident Evil voice acting comical. Two, I've observed that Squeenix fankids seem to have a tendency to obsess over the more superficial elements of their preferred games and gloss over the "deeper" elements, like the gameplay.

There. You asked for "serious discussion," and I gave it to you, and I even managed to dispense with the ad hominem, even though you thoroughly deserve it. If you really wanted "serious discussion," then let's have it.

Two, I've observed that Squeenix fankids seem to have a tendency to obsess over the more superficial elements of their preferred games and gloss over the "deeper" elements, like the gameplay.


dont generalize.
neither square or enix are my favorite rpg making companies.
couldnt care less if ubisoft made chrono cross.
i dont love the game because of who made it, but because its awesome.
hell, i havent played KH, the so called best two games of squarenix.
i havent (and will not) play ff12.
and im NOT dying to play ff13, and when i get my ps3, dont even known if im gonna buy 13 or not.

labeling is a mistake you do not wish to make.

dont generalize.
neither square or enix are my favorite rpg making companies.
couldnt care less if ubisoft made chrono cross.
i dont love the game because of who made it, but because its awesome.
hell, i havent played KH, the so called best two games of squarenix.
i havent (and will not) play ff12.
and im NOT dying to play ff13, and when i get my ps3, dont even known if im gonna buy 13 or not.

labeling is a mistake you do not wish to make.

Way to ignore my entire post to focus on one tangential sentence.
Where's all your "serious discussion" about Chrono Cross?
KH, FFXII, and XIII have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Starting a new line for every sentence is really silly.
The Shift key is your friend.
Veiled/implied internet threats are for tenth-graders.

the rest of your post was full of unnecesary whining and wasnt relevant to my interests.

where is it you say? i think you know.
i think they do, as you are labeling me a squarenix fanboy, which im not.
internet teaching is for buttfaced niggers.

the rest of your post was full of unnecesary whining and wasnt relevant to my interests.

As in, I brought up actual discussion about CC and you wanted no parts of it, as it wasn't homosexual jokes and fanwanking.


where is it you say? i think you know.

Yeah, I know. It's nonexistent. After you cried so hard for some serious discussion. Way to avoid the point.


i think they do, as you are labeling me a squarenix fanboy, which im not.

No, I'm not labeling you. Yes, I'm accusing you of fanwanking over CC, but I haven't called you a Squeenix fankid yet. Bit of a difference, I should think.


internet teaching is for buttfaced niggers.

And "insults" like that are for three-year olds.

No, I'm not labeling you. Yes, I'm accusing you of fanwanking over CC, but I haven't called you a Squeenix fankid yet. Bit of a difference, I should think.

not directly, but indirectly, for the mere fact CC is my favorite game, you assumed i was a square enix fanboy, or else you would not have mentioned it.
there surely must be a game you like above all others, becaue even YOU must have one, or are you implying you are a complete ass because you have yet to find your favorite game and you turn over to who does? sad.




And "insults" like that are for three-year olds.

better to be a 3 year old than an ass nobody cares about.

not directly, but indirectly, for the mere fact CC is my favorite game, you assumed i was a square enix fanboy, or else you would not have mentioned it.

I didn't imply it, either. If I were calling you a squeenix fankid, I would have either come right out and said it or I would have made the implication blatantly obvious in a quasi-clever way. Now that this is cleared up, can you please dispense of your petty grade-school antics and have some of this serious CC discussion you were screaming about earlier? It's really cute how I'm a "cancerfag" for somehow derailing your precious thread, yet when I attempt to start a discussion, you call it whining and irrelevant and throw every tired flame you can come up with. Double standards much?

you have truly attempted to start a discussion, but not of the game.
i merely avoid getting on a full scale flamewar.

wanna see what i mean with SERIOUS DISCUSSION? read ahead:

poster 1: HAY GUIZ, I MAED DIZ TREAD ABOUT ARCANA!

poster 2 (me): ah, yes... ARCANA, a very obscure and rare game, i have so many fond memories of this game, back when it was new, i remember wandering the labyrinth for days, literaly. the ice pyramid is probably the dungeon i hate the most. it had so many dead ends, and very powerful enemies (for the time).
it also didnt help the fact that if one of your party (except the summon) died, its game over. even with though it was the epitome of frustration, it also was very fun to play and sometimes i would play for hours.
also, the music of the game was EXCELLENT, the flute was very realistically emulated.

poster 3: oh yeah man, arcana was wicked! that salah girl was cute as hell!
the game had HARD labeled everywhere in it. even choosing your weapons and armor in the shop was hard, but never the less, i enjoy hard games, and if you do, at least get it for rom, you will enjoy it

poster 4: lens flare.


see? is it so hard to do what i just did?

you have truly attempted to start a discussion, but not of the game.

So bringing up the game's shortcomings and agreeing with you about its music isn't discussion the game? Riiiight...


i merely avoid getting on a full scale flamewar.

By continuing to flame me after I ceased flaming you? Interesting tactic... :rolleyes:


wanna see what i mean with SERIOUS DISCUSSION? read ahead:

You're still butthurt over lens flares? Christ on a trampoline, give it a rest.


see? is it so hard to do what i just did?

So by your lofty standards, fanwanking is serious discussion, but bringing up a game's shortcomings in a generally logical, mature fashion isn't? Since I'm sure you won't know what I meant by that, I'll repost my "serious discussion" to clarify.

You gave us a bare-bones description of the "magnificent story" in the OP but then you said it's got cliched and predictable plot-twists. Those things generally aren't considered "good," let alone "magnificent." So why is the story magnificent?

You gave us a bare-bones description of the battle system, and in the other CC thread, I pointed out how the system was outdated because games like Xenogears and Legend of Legaia (that were released earlier) did a far better job with the stamina/pick your attack system. You called it "interesting" in the OP; what's interesting about a system that's a step backward from successful games released nearly two years earlier?

I'll grant you that CC had good music, but I wouldn't credit the music for "putting the sea on my mind," considering that the game is set in an archipelago.

You're still butthurt over lens flares? Christ on a trampoline, give it a rest.


jesus fucking christ....

(image of lireally that happening comes to mind)



So by your lofty standards, fanwanking is serious discussion, but bringing up a game's shortcomings in a generally logical, mature fashion isn't? Since I'm sure you won't know what I meant by that, I'll repost my "serious discussion" to clarify.

i didnt find a single negative thing on this game, the lens flare, as said 3 times already, didnt bother me.
what you can say its a negative, its an irrelevance to me.
PLEASE learn to accept the fact there are people called FANS, and refering to their expresions of the game "fanwanking" is as ofensive as calling your mom a bitch, or equal.


You gave us a bare-bones description of the "magnificent story" in the OP but then you said it's got cliched and predictable plot-twists. Those things generally aren't considered "good," let alone "magnificent." So why is the story magnificent?

because even if the plot twists were predictable, they made it so they will still amaze you (like lynx being serge's father AND be the feline creature that attacked serge, that second thing wasnt expected.)
and a story is not just plot twists, it ranges from an automated response from that npc in the corner of termina's marketfield to the "speech" of schala at the end.



You gave us a bare-bones description of the battle system, and in the other CC thread, I pointed out how the system was outdated because games like Xenogears and Legend of Legaia (that were released earlier) did a far better job with the stamina/pick your attack system. You called it "interesting" in the OP; what's interesting about a system that's a step backward from successful games released nearly two years earlier?


because not all gamers are fat guys who play games all the time? and i remember saying i didnt support the psx that much back then.
i havent played xenogears nor legend of legaia. so NATURALLY the attack system would seem interesting to me, or else i would have refernce those two. but of course you assumed i played those two withouth ever thinking i didnt, and quickly criticized my opinion.



I'll grant you that CC had good music, but I wouldn't credit the music for "putting the sea on my mind," considering that the game is set in an archipelago.

while i live near the sea, i travel a lot, and the OST always reminds me of the sea, even in "sealess" cities. when i talked about the ost, i mostly refered to the actual OST, ie, the cds you can play on any stereo.

Way to ignore stuff directed specifically at you, mate. :rolleyes:

splitting hairs, friend.

nobody said Sonic sucked back when they were playing the life out of it...save for the poor kids that couldn't figure out "A" "B" & "C" were jump.

splitting hairs, friend.

nobody said Sonic sucked back when they were playing the life out of it...save for the poor kids that couldn't figure out "A" "B" & "C" were jump.

i did, i owned a genesis and when i played sonic, threw up.
same with the subsequent sequels.
i havent and will not play sonic jam, seeing the failure it is.
the only worthy games are sonic adventure 1 & 2, either for DC of NGC.

i didnt find a single negative thing on this game, the lens flare, as said 3 times already, didnt bother me.
what you can say its a negative, its an irrelevance to me.
PLEASE learn to accept the fact there are people called FANS, and refering to their expresions of the game "fanwanking" is as ofensive as calling your mom a bitch, or equal.

Oh, so I'm not allowed to say you're fanwanking, but it's okay for you to call me a "buttfaced nigger," an "ass nobody cares about," a "cancerfag" (whatever the fuck that is), and throw out the implication that I'm a "fat guy" just because I had the sense back in high school to play games that were, y'know, good? Gee, you don't use double standards at all... :rolleyes:


because even if the plot twists were predictable, they made it so they will still amaze you (like lynx being serge's father AND be the feline creature that attacked serge, that second thing wasnt expected.)

Then why wasn't I amazed by the plot twists? I had put together the Lynx/feline thingie connection almost right away and "Luke, I am your father" is about the least original twist in the history of plot twists. The way the story was paced, anybody who took two seconds to think would know that they were about to get hit with a plot-twist, thanks to Squeenix repeatedly setting up supposedly "climactic" showdowns on disc 1.


and a story is not just plot twists,

But it's the plot twists that define the story. Otherwise, you'd be able to tell the entire story within an hour of starting the game. How fun would that be?


it ranges from an automated response from that npc in the corner of termina's marketfield to the "speech" of schala at the end.

How you interact with the world =/= the plot, dude. Merriam-Webster defines plot suchly:


3: the plan or main story (as of a movie or literary work)

Very few NPCs have anything to do with the main story other than the fact that they happen to be in whatever town you're in, and true to jRPG convention, will spill their deepest secrets to some random stranger simply because he's the game's protagonist. Before you take that the wrong way, that's just a humorous observation about the genre in general.


i havent played xenogears nor legend of legaia. so NATURALLY the attack system would seem interesting to me, or else i would have refernce those two. but of course you assumed i played those two withouth ever thinking i didnt, and quickly criticized my opinion.

I didn't criticize your opinion. Just the game. Just because you didn't play two fairly prominent games released before CC doesn't mean they don't exist. You don't have to get all butthurt because I'm looking at CC in an objective fashion. It has flaws; every game does. I'm just pointing them out since till now, I haven't had an actual discussion about CC's merits. I'm not telling you not to like Chrono Cross. Like I said, I'm looking at it objectively and pointing out its flaws. That's about as serious as a gaming discussion can get. If that isn't what you wanted, then next time, you should specify, especially when you say things like, "we shall discuss the good and the bad..."

not directly, but indirectly, for the mere fact CC is my favorite game, you assumed i was a square enix fanboy, or else you would not have mentioned it.
there surely must be a game you like above all others, becaue even YOU must have one, or are you implying you are a complete ass because you have yet to find your favorite game and you turn over to who does? sad.

but you are acting like a fanboy nonetheless. Cyan tried to talk about the game you claim to love so much, and yet you totally ignored him, maybe because you'd have to admit that the game actually has flaws and isn't the best thing out there



better to be a 3 year old than an ass nobody cares about.

jftr, most of us like cyan a lot.

anyway I have played Xenogears. I thought CC offered an intresting and different approch to the stamina system. Granted it could have been better, so could many other titles

you wanna know the reason why i didnt play xeno and legaia?
why do you think i HAVENT played them yet?

cant figure it out? no?
ill tell you then, BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO PLAY THEM, THEY BORE ME. specially xenogears.
the fact i havent played them doesnt mean i havent seen someone else play.
and from my visual experience:
xenogears: boring
legaia: lame.

but thats my opinion. if you are a whore for those 2, congratulations.its your taste, its your opinion. to me neither xeno or legaia are "good", because a good game or a bad game is defined by the player.
having that in mind, your claim that xenogears is better is invalid.




jftr, most of us like cyan a lot.

figures, because everyone here is like him.
fortunately the population of the shrine is less than .000000015 of the world population.
im loved and hated in the 34 forums i go to.
of course, being loved or hated by letters is of no concerne to me.
being loved by people i can touch, see and talk to, thats important.
but sometimes i end up tired of so much interaction.

actually, something being good or bad depends on the actual content. you can have your opinion on it, and like it or dislike it, but it will still be good or bad regardless of your opinion on it. for example, catwoman starring halle berry. it was a TERRIBLE film, and yet, i enjoyed it.

actually, something being good or bad depends on the actual content. you can have your opinion on it, and like it or dislike it, but it will still be good or bad regardless of your opinion on it. for example, catwoman starring halle berry. it was a TERRIBLE film, and yet, i enjoyed it.

terrible... and who said it was terrible? if you enjoyed it, then in your opinion its a good movie.

if i saw catwoman, i would have liked it or disliked it.


while it may be true that it depends on the content, its up to the viewer to judge if said content is good or bad.

when a movie comes out and none has seen it, its a movie.
once you have seen it and determined your thoughts about it, then its a good movie or a bad movie.

the very same applies to videogames.
millions found the simcity games to be fantastic works of art.
having played them, i consider them authentic pieces of shit.

or more recently (and better example).
both resident evil outbreaks.

when the first came out, it was hauled as an incredible game, that the online function was magnificent.
i myself supported this claims, because i played it and loved it.
my neighbor however, disliked it, and has since got rid of his copy.

then came out outbreak 2, which was criticized a lot and labeled a bad game, but to me and the other 500 or some people that did online playtroughs, it wasnt a bad game.
i remember reading an article about ob2 in.... gamepro? egm? cant remember... but the reviewer gave it a low score and said it was a bad game....for the sole fact he could not finish it.

I started Xenogears for the FMVs but got a lot more out of the story. Pretty much the same for CC, and any other RPG. CC I began to care for Serge & worry about Kid until she tried to kill me. The world of RPGs help me get away from this life. Bills get paid then I'm off to save a world. I don't watch TV, I play video games. I like CC, I played & beaten every Sonic I could get my hands on(even Game Gear). I wiII delight in a PSP port of CC(however unlikely), The game is good in spite of it's flaws.

actually, something being good or bad depends on the actual content. you can have your opinion on it, and like it or dislike it, but it will still be good or bad regardless of your opinion on it. for example, catwoman starring halle berry. it was a TERRIBLE film, and yet, i enjoyed it.

No sense continuing this. CATTY-boy's got no sense of objectivity at all, and he's pretty much proven beyond a shadow of a doubt his inability to have any sort of reasonable discussion about much of anything. Further, he doesn't understand that in any given media, be they books, games, movies, etc., there are standards of quality. Why else would high school English classes assign books like The Grapes of Wrath and Crime and Punishment and not the latest block of Magic: The Gathering releases?

Why else would high school English classes assign books like The Grapes of Wrath and Crime and Punishment and not the latest block of Magic: The Gathering releases?

because whoever assigned them as THE books considered them good?
go to another school and youll surely find another selection of books.

quality is yet another user-defined term.
just like those cult of scientologists, who believe battlefield earth to be "an unique experience", having myself read it, i laughed so hard at the incoherencies.

one's opinion is what determines what is good and what is bad.

on the other point, thank you for forging an innacurrate image of myself in your head, because thats how im gonna be with you until you chance your expressions towards me.
......ALL AS PLANNED......

as for everybody else, ill be the same cheeful and friendly person you have seen (except YOU, you know who you are, i know you will read this.).

Magic: the Gathering book series are good and I would have much rather them than the books they had. "A Wrinkle in Time" was cool though.

LoL, keep it up, Catty. You're funny!

they blew up Mars two hours ago...

wow

tap two of any colour and a forest to sommon

Okay, fine. I'll give you two bits of advice, 'cause I like you, and because you were persistent.

First, don't play Chrono Cross. It's not as good as it's supporters here are making it out to be.

Second, stop playing Sonic. He sucks. ;)

MAYBE WHEN YOU GET A BETTER CONNECTION, I CAN KICK YOUR ASS WITH THE BLUE BLUR! >:O>:O>:O>:O>:O>:O>:O>:O>:O

Getting your ass spiked three times =/= kicking mine. :P :P :P

Certainly was fun reading through all that.


doom- recommend some titles
I'm a RPG fan above all

Your right its Azure Dreams... my bad

Anyway, glad to hear a fanboy can still adhere to reason.

Some good recent titles are Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (PC, Xbox), Neverwinter Nights (PC), and TES: Oblivion (PC, 360, PS3), and Mass Effect (PC, 360).

Some excellent classics (older games) are Black Isle efforts like Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn (PC, NOT the Dark Alliance series), Planescape:Torment (PC), and TES: Morrowind GOTY Edition (PC, Xbox). Fallouts have already been mentioned, though I've only played Fallout 2 (PC).

Hope you enjoy one or (optimistically) all.



.......... I have a better idea, play the game & judge for yourself.

Seconded. It's excellent advice.

Getting your ass spiked three times =/= kicking mine. :P :P :P

Puh-LEEZE, Mr. Delay.

I only delayed b/c you haxx0rZ. Cheater.

Indeed, I use the "+" and "-" buttons on the Wiimote to increase or decrease YOUR lag. :p

I KNEW IT! :D

KOtR is the only reason I got the BOX,
that and Conkers L&R

ANYBODY WANT TO PLAY MEGA MAN?

Mega Man? X? Battle Net? 64?

just mega man

CLASSIC!!!

I'm In

I'm onto Mega Man II now (beat Mega Man) so man you better hurry up!

got Mega Man A.C. for PS2 all the Mega Man with the push of a button and a nifty anime episode. 8 is my fav.