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khalbrae
05-05-2008, 08:35 PM
I have to say, the two ObsCure games were really good as far as Survival horror goes. Some of the best music in the genre. The gameplay was pretty good too, but stressful when multiplaying.

Prak
05-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Threads like this go in General Gaming, not a music forum.

khalbrae
05-05-2008, 08:47 PM
My apologies... I had mentioned the music of the game in the body.

I meant to post it in general but I guess I was confused by the similar post " What's the biggest, most popular game ... you've NEVER played ??" that was just below it and hadn't really been moved for 2 months. I didn't mean to put in in the wrong spot. ;)

doomjockey
05-05-2008, 09:15 PM
Underrated? Under-hyped?

That's practically every game I consider as classic.

One of these is Killer7. A lot of people were put off by the lacklustre gameplay, but it more than makes up for it with memorable characters, mature imagery, and a surprisingly intelligent plot.

Kayfabe
05-06-2008, 12:59 AM
Mystical Ninja: Starring Goemon for N64. I cant even count how many times I played this gem through. Seems shabby at first but you really get into it.

Goren
05-06-2008, 01:43 AM
Mystical Ninjas - Super Nintendo

This game was fun.

and so was the one mentioned above

Glitch
05-06-2008, 05:26 AM
Both Castlevania games for the PS2, they both share the same problems but were fun to play, and the music was excellent.

Locke_FF36
05-06-2008, 02:46 PM
Mystical Ninjas - Super Nintendo

This game was fun.

and so was the one mentioned above

I love that game. I play through it once in a while, it is so simple, but I love the graphics and story and gameplay altogether. Awesome game.

execrable gumwrapper
05-06-2008, 04:13 PM
POCKIE AND ROCKY (2)

Neg
05-06-2008, 04:18 PM
Constantine (Thread 46610) ^^

Hynad
05-06-2008, 04:37 PM
Super Mario Bros.

Vess
05-06-2008, 05:35 PM
Starship Troopers: Terran Ascendancy.
A wonderful extension of Heinlein, which manages to incorporate the few good points of the film and mix it with the novel, the TV series and original concepts to create an excellent new universe...



http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/starship-troopers-terran-ascendancy
http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?id=4290

RikkuYunaRinoa
05-06-2008, 06:51 PM
Final Fantasy VII


...oh wait...


Also, it might just be me. But I don't hear much talk about Time Crisis. And I think that series is amazing. Again, It might just be me, but I seem to see very little talk about it.

Krusty's super funhouse for the SNES was very addictive. And was a great game.

Rezonater
05-07-2008, 02:23 AM
I would say Descent 3 for the PC. It has excellent graphics for a 3d game from 1998, and It's a first-person shooter with 6 degrees of freedom. It will give you motion sickness, too. It has multiplayer, but only about 8 people are online at any given time.

Lord Brimstone
05-07-2008, 02:50 AM
Blaster Master and Blaster Master: Blasting Again for starters.

Ngrplz
05-07-2008, 02:57 AM
I agree with Cookie, Time Crisis was pretty underrated. And let us not forget it's rival shooter Point Blank which was oodles of fun.

J. Peterman
05-07-2008, 02:58 AM
Star Ocean 2

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DaKine
05-07-2008, 03:41 AM
Also, it might just be me. But I don't hear much talk about Time Crisis. And I think that series is amazing. Again, It might just be me, but I seem to see very little talk about it.

Hell yeah, the original is an absolute classic - far better than any of the horrendous sequels.

Also, I do recall a game called Silent Bomber (by Bandai, of all companies) which I found to be pretty damn fun.

All Seeing Eye
05-09-2008, 03:50 AM
Many, but

Under-rated:

Star Ocean 3 should have got much higher scores by the so-called game reviewers.

The comic book shooter XIII should have gotten much higher scores. The game was based on a French comic book. So....

Under-hyped:

The entire Panzer Dragoon Series. It's a crime that these epic games are not as popular as they should be.

Vagrant Story. That Action/RPG simulator was great, but many people found it too complicated. That's why I don't think it will ever have a sequel.

doomjockey
05-09-2008, 04:55 AM
The comic book shooter XIII should have gotten much higher scores. The game was based on a French comic book. So....

That is the coolest thing I've read in a while.

Excellent game.

cihant
05-09-2008, 02:19 PM
i would say urban chaos the way you are able to smash enemies with your shield...

instant classic..:)

ROKI
05-09-2008, 11:32 PM
Soldier of Fortune 2. God, I love that game. It deserved much better support from Activision, and more online players.

Landlord of Sector 7
05-10-2008, 09:44 AM
grand theft auto iv




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J. Peterman
05-10-2008, 09:46 AM
landlord you liar

Psycho_Cyan
05-11-2008, 05:56 AM
Underrated? Earthbound.

Underhyped? Castlevania: SotN. Best damn psx game released and it was 2-d.

jkr2krz
05-11-2008, 06:05 AM
I second Cyancyde as the whole Mother (earthbound) series being very underrated.

As for underhyped, but very very good IMHO.. Jet Force Gemini, It landed... and was forgotten so fast.

Firebrand-X
05-12-2008, 06:40 AM
Demon's Crest for the SNES and Namco X Capcom for the PS2

All Seeing Eye
05-12-2008, 08:45 AM
Underrated? Earthbound.

Underhyped? Castlevania: SotN. Best damn psx game released and it was 2-d.

Castevaina: SOTN is far from underhyped. Many people call it one of the best video games ever made.

I do agree with Demon Crest which someone else posted.

blahblah123
05-22-2008, 02:42 AM
the best underrated game i played was shadow of the colosuss. god do i love this game

Hynad
05-22-2008, 02:59 AM
Castevaina: SOTN is far from underhyped. Many people call it one of the best video games ever made.


Castlevania SOTN is a cult video game if I may.

doomjockey
05-22-2008, 04:15 AM
the best underrated game i played was shadow of the colosuss. god do i love this game

Where do you get your reviews from? When was this game underrated? On the contrary, every review I read praised it with high marks. Under-hyped? A very weak maybe, since it came on the back of a truly under-hyped title, Ico.

Hynad
05-22-2008, 04:24 AM
And it's no secret that Ico was actually way over Shadow of the Collossus in terms of design and overall quality.

All Seeing Eye
05-22-2008, 06:35 PM
Castlevania SOTN is a cult video game if I may.

You may, but I disagree. SOTN gets more than enough credit, at least compared to the many other great games people can chose.

All Seeing Eye
05-22-2008, 06:36 PM
You may, but I disagree. SOTN gets more than enough credit, at least compared to the many other great under-rated games people can chose.

Hynad
05-22-2008, 06:43 PM
You disagree about what exactly? The claim that Castlevania SOTN is underhyped isn't from me, and in any case, you mistake the word underhyped with underrated.


It's still a cult videogame. Certainly not a game in the vein of Halo or GTAIV.

All Seeing Eye
05-22-2008, 06:46 PM
You disagree about what exactly? The claim that Castlevania SOTN is underhyped isn't from me.


It's still a cult videogame. Certainly not a game in the vein of Halo or GTAIV.

Plenty of people know about it. Certainly not underhyped or underrated in the least. Call it what you want, but most gamers you mention SOTN to will know what you're talking about.

Hynad
05-22-2008, 06:49 PM
Yeah, just like most people will know what I'm talking about when I mention Scarface. And it's still a cult movie.

All Seeing Eye
05-22-2008, 06:56 PM
Yeah, just like most people will know what I'm talking about when I mention Scarface. And it's still a cult movie.

That's interesting, since everybody and their grandmother call easily tell you where they heard "Say hello to my little friend" from.

Actually, I heard people say Scarface was OVER hyped, and OVER rated.

Hynad
05-22-2008, 07:00 PM
Is that your way of debating?


Facts: Scarface, Pink Floyd The Wall, The Evil Dead, Taxi Driver, Blade Runner, Pulp Fiction are all considered cult movies. That everyone likes them or not has no weight in the balance.


All Seeing Eye, but not an All Comprehending Brain.

All Seeing Eye
05-22-2008, 07:02 PM
Is that your way of debating?


Facts: Scarface, Pink Floyd The Wall, The Evil Dead are 3 cult movies. That everyone likes them or not has no weight in the balance.


All Seeing Eye, but not an All Comprehending Brain.

The only thing you got right about that post was The Evil Dead, Blade Runner, and The Taxi Driver.

Scarface and Pink Floyd the Wall, Pulp Fiction doesn't qualify. And you know what they say about the debater who is quick to throw insults. Keep it civil.

Furthermore, just because a movie is a cult hit doesn't mean its underhyped or underrated.

Hynad
05-22-2008, 07:05 PM
They aren't considered Cult Movies? Seriously, do you have any idea what I'm talking about? What you like or not has no bearing in all this.

I state facts, not personal opinions.

Go read some articles about cult movies. Educate yourself, then come back. Until then, I see no point in continuing arguing with an ignorant like you.

All Seeing Eye
05-22-2008, 07:12 PM
They aren't considered Cult Movies? Seriously, do you have any idea what I'm talking about? What you like or not has no bearing in all this.

I state facts, not personal opinions.

Go read some articles about cult movies. Educate yourself, then come back. Until then, I see no point in continuing arguing with an ignorant like you.

Very well, nice chatting with you.

IDX
05-22-2008, 09:49 PM
A lot of people here know about SOTN. I honestly hated the game. Didn't see why everyone thought it was amazing.

matt damon
05-22-2008, 10:09 PM
Rule of Rose

Zulu
05-22-2008, 10:19 PM
The first two Oddworld entries (Abe's Oddysee and Abe's Exoddus) were such brilliant games, and even though they both received critical acclaim, I dont' think they received the right amount acclaim from the gamers. They are by far the best games I have ever played.

discodan
05-22-2008, 10:21 PM
Underrated? Earthbound.

Earthbound/Hellbound, not so much underhyped though, i remember the huge box it came in. I belive it was on the cover of Nintendo Power mag, the change in name rukus, $30 strat guide (expensive at the time).... I dont remember any tv spots, a good game nonetheless with cool music.

Dysfunction
05-23-2008, 03:26 PM
over-hyped - Halo 3
underrated - SNk vs Capcom for the dreamcast

execrable gumwrapper
05-23-2008, 06:15 PM
The only thing you got right about that post was The Evil Dead, Blade Runner, and The Taxi Driver.

Scarface and Pink Floyd the Wall, Pulp Fiction doesn't qualify. And you know what they say about the debater who is quick to throw insults. Keep it civil.

Furthermore, just because a movie is a cult hit doesn't mean its underhyped or underrated.

Scarface, Pink Floyd: The Wall and Pulp Fiction are considered cult classics because YEARS after their release they have received a following. When the movies were first released, they were not exactly box office hits. Yeah, even Scarface.

All Seeing Eye
05-23-2008, 08:13 PM
Scarface, Pink Floyd: The Wall and Pulp Fiction are considered cult classics because YEARS after their release they have received a following. When the movies were first released, they were not exactly box office hits. Yeah, even Scarface.

Maybe, however SOTN was quite the success when it came out, therefore it doesn't qualify. In fact, all 2D Castlevaina's are commercial successes last time I checked.

Now Thunderforce V would qualify. Einhander would qualify. Elemental Gearbolt would qualify. Legend of Kain Series would qualify as cult hits.

ROKUSHO
05-24-2008, 09:21 AM
underated: castlevania and legacy of darkness (both for the N64)
these games... kicks ass.
not only where they the first attempt to 3D castlevania, but the gameplay is pretty much the same as 2-d castlevanias!
lots and lots of platforms, fall 3 feet and you will die, no rpg elements and precision was needed for jumping.
the music, specially in legacy of darkness, was GODLY.
this games were heavily panned mostly for one VERY simple thing: the camera.
in CV you couldnt do much about it except choose 3 modes which made little difference and it would sometimes interfere in fights.
but in LOD, you could change angles and even zoom in and zoom out.
another fact (which is more underground) was the inclusion of one of the most bizzare enemies in the history of castlevania, no.. im not talking about vampires (a first in CV games), im talking about motorcycle-riding skeletons. the mere fact it was the 1850's and there were motorcycles in it made it very akward, but hey, if people in 1700's believed jesus had green hair (see richter's holy cross in SOTN for more information) why cant there be biker skeletons?
a personal favorite of mine is that the intro of LOD featured a skeleton so evil he was BEATING A HOUSE THAT WAS ON FIRE, not even dracula was so evil.
if youre asking which castlevanias are better in 3d, the answer is NONE, castlevanias should always be in 2-d, but the less sucky are definetely the 64 games, because lament of innocence was so boring and the story so bad i traded ir the very day i beated it.
a very bad start for the belmondo legacy.
and curse of darkness is a poorly made attempt to make SOTN into 3d but the result was a boring as hell game that made you walk in seemengly endless corridors most of the time.


underhyped:

both megaman and megaman x collections for ngc/ps2/xbox/.
the ultimate and probably last sets of collections of megaman games EVER.

megaman collection features megaman 1-8 with the inclusion of megaman power battle 1 and 2, which were exclusive to weabooland.
the gamecube version had the two main buttons switched, which confused some veterans, including myself, but it had a much better main extra than the ps2 version, which was an interview with keiji inafune, creator of megaman.
the ps2 version had the first episode of that awful megaman cartoon from the 90's and remixed music for some games as optional.
the xbox version has all the extras the two previous versions have.

megaman X collection features X1-6, and includes megaman battle and chase, the first (and hopefully only) megaman cart-racing game.
the two versions (canceled for xbox...yep, the game was THAT underhyped) were near identical except in loading times, favoring the NGC version.

both collections have their ups and downs, where in my opinion, X collection suffered the most (predominantely: the exclusion of the weaboo voice acting in x6 and the cannon having more chance of NOT hitting the colony)
the two collections didnt get the attention they deserved, specially X, thats probably why capcom released so few copies of X collection, and has come to be a true collector's item.
if you ever see the X collection, dont hesitate and GET IT!


Mystical Ninja: Starring Goemon for N64. I cant even count how many times I played this gem through. Seems shabby at first but you really get into it.

i beg to differ, gambare goemon 64 was one of the best N64 games.
it had very high ratings and even now there are petitions everywhere to port this game for the wii's VC, i would support them, but i already own it on my 64 (i talk about games i own (or owned, in the case of lament of innocence) only)

matt damon
05-24-2008, 05:27 PM
tl;dr

jewess crabcake
05-24-2008, 05:30 PM
I'm not sur how much this fits the criteria but Star Ocean 3.

jalvarez82
05-24-2008, 08:14 PM
I'm going to say Skies of Arcadia just because I never heard anything about it around the time of it's Dreamcast release. Now it is one of my all-time favorite games.

doomjockey
05-24-2008, 08:51 PM
I'm not sur how much this fits the criteria but Star Ocean 3.

If anything, I consider that game a bit overrated. I blame my unreasonably high expectations for exploring the galaxy instead of being stuck on one planet for half the game.


I'm going to say Skies of Arcadia just because I never heard anything about it around the time of it's Dreamcast release. Now it is one of my all-time favorite games.

I've never understood the lure of this game. I found it boring the entire time.

On topic, All Seeing Eye has reminded me of Elemental Gearbolt (PSX) which is lying around here somewhere, and Saga Frontier II (PSX). Saga Frontier II pleasantly surprised me with it's Phantasy Star III reminiscent use of generational heroes, stunning watercolours, and great soundtrack. To this day, one of my favourites.

jewess crabcake
05-24-2008, 09:41 PM
I find it underrated because once people hear the voice acting they condemn it to death. And I know a lot of people that don't like the battle engine. But yeah being stuck on Elicor II for about 1/3 of the game was a bit much.

lenneth
05-24-2008, 10:45 PM
over/under-rated/hyped threads are always difficult because games that are over-rated/hyped in the general mainstream might not be that way among the people here at FFS, ora ny other gaming community.

Earthbound is a game I hear a ton of shit about on FFS and I couldnt' really get into it. I haven't played enough to make a fair judgment, but as far as mainstream goes, I'd imagine its under-rated. As far as gaming communities go, I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was over-rated.

Star Ocean 3 I didn't enjoy and to me it was over-hyped/rated (in gaming communities), especially when compared to Star Ocean 1/2. But I've already covered this in a few other threads D:

Battle engine is fun in SO3. I didn't like the skills setup, especially compared to SO1 & 2. Nor the item creation, which sorta goes hand in hand. As far as voice acting goes, if I could tolerate SO2, I can tolerate anything. And as far as not exploring the galaxy goes, anyone who has played an SO game before knew what to expect. It'll be interesting to see what SO4 does, as it does promise more in the way of non-linear (?) exploration, but compared to what?

All Seeing Eye
05-24-2008, 11:17 PM
I personally thought SO3 was a above average game that was underrated in the mainstream gaming community. The battle system was excellent, the story was average at best, but tolerable, and the soundtrack was a little better then Star Ocean 2.

With that said, Star Ocean 2 is the better of the two, and also can be looked at as Underrated and Underhyped in a way.

lenneth
05-25-2008, 12:24 AM
I prefered the SO2 soundtrack more, but I guess I am a bit of a fan girl + the game itself was older and sound quality wasn't nearly as good as SO3. Not to say I don't enjoy SO3's soundtrack -- one of a handful of things I did enjoy about the game.

I guess it isn't so bad, but they screwed up so much stuff going from 2 to 3 and I can't understand why they'd take out such awesome, enjoyable features and replace them with ones that I have a hard time understanding how anyone would find them more enjoyable.

I will probably try and replay SO3 at some point in time.

Hex Omega
05-25-2008, 05:20 AM
metal gear solid 4

Psycho_Cyan
05-25-2008, 08:13 AM
Castevaina: SOTN is far from underhyped. Many people call it one of the best video games ever made.

SotN was totally overlooked at its release. FFVII, probably the most hyped game ever, was released a mere month earlier and Metal Gear Solid info was just starting to come out. Whatever hype SotN has gotten has been pretty much after the fact. Wikipedia labels SotN's so-called hype a "cult following."


I'm not sur how much this fits the criteria but Star Ocean 3.

Holy crap, we agree on something. I thought SO3 was definitely underrated. SO2 had no hype at all, either. It only has a 79% on Gamerankings.com, which is ridiculous, as it's one of the best jRPG's released on the psx.

ThroneofOminous
05-25-2008, 08:38 AM
I don't know how underrated I would call Star Ocean 3. It received relatively positive reviews from critics and was one of the few non-FF/DQ JRPGs to sell over a million copies worldwide. Sure, it has a pretty bad reputation among many Star Ocean fans but then so does FFVIII among FF fans. Then again, I guess it would depend on how you define 'underrated'.

As for underated games I've 'loved', the only two I can think of are Arcanum: Of Magick and Steamworks Obscura and Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne. Arcanum seems to have mostly been forgotten by CRPG enthusiasts and Nocturne is tragically overlooked for what is one of the best JRPGs on the PS2. Hopefully the recent reprint and relative popularity of other SMT games like Persona 3 will help to change this.

execrable gumwrapper
05-25-2008, 11:22 AM
SotN was totally overlooked at its release. FFVII, probably the most hyped game ever, was released a mere month earlier and Metal Gear Solid info was just starting to come out. Whatever hype SotN has gotten has been pretty much after the fact. Wikipedia labels SotN's so-called hype a "cult following."

I didn't hear about SotN until about 4-5 years ago... >.> And that was just HEARING about it. I never saw actual gameplay until like 2 years ago.

radioactiverhino
05-25-2008, 06:43 PM
Tales of Symphonia
DK Jungle Beat
Mega Man Battle Network (ONLY NUMBER 1)
And, I truthfully believe this, SSBB

All Seeing Eye
05-25-2008, 08:19 PM
Sorry, but from what I've seen, SOTN was a success. Not on the level of FFVII, but still a success. Now if you mentioned Castlevaina X for the PC Engine CD as a cult following, I would agree, because that game definitely qualifies. A game that was popular enough to get a Saturn port, and a bad port at that, doesn't strike me as overlooked. They're many popular games some people didn't hear about, that doesn't mean the game was overlooked or ignored.

khalbrae
05-25-2008, 09:52 PM
Sorry, but from what I've seen, SOTN was a success. Not on the level of FFVII, but still a success. Now if you mentioned Castlevaina X for the PC Engine CD as a cult following, I would agree, because that game definitely qualifies. A game that was popular enough to get a Saturn port, and a bad port at that, doesn't strike me as overlooked. They're many popular games some people didn't hear about, that doesn't mean the game was overlooked or ignored.

Didn't castlevania/dracula x have an SNES port?

All Seeing Eye
05-26-2008, 02:58 AM
Didn't castlevania/dracula x have an SNES port?

Yeah, but it's nothing like the PC Engine CD version. The graphic's and music are nearly the same(kudo's to the SNES), but a lot of stuff is missing. The Anime cut-scenes, the ability to play as Maria, the different endings, the level design is better, etc.

Psycho_Cyan
05-26-2008, 04:47 AM
Sorry, but from what I've seen, SOTN was a success. Not on the level of FFVII, but still a success. Now if you mentioned Castlevaina X for the PC Engine CD as a cult following, I would agree, because that game definitely qualifies. A game that was popular enough to get a Saturn port, and a bad port at that, doesn't strike me as overlooked. They're many popular games some people didn't hear about, that doesn't mean the game was overlooked or ignored.

1. Not only is "success" a very ambiguous term, I didn't even bring up the question of SotN's success. I've only brought up its lack of hype. Maybe you won't ignore the facts surrounding its release if I repeat them.

It was a 2D game released after 3D games had become mainstream.
It was released only a month after FFVII. The hype behind that game was so monumental as to bury pretty much any other game released in the next several months.
According to wikipedia, Konami even low-balled the game for US release.


2. Since the Saturn port wasn't released outside Japan, I fail to see what bearing it has on the conversation.

3. Nearly all of SotN's popularity came pretty well after the fact, which is pretty much the definition of "cult following."

All Seeing Eye
05-26-2008, 06:05 AM
1. Not only is "success" a very ambiguous term, I didn't even bring up the question of SotN's success. I've only brought up its lack of hype. Maybe you won't ignore the facts surrounding its release if I repeat them.

I'm not ignoring facts, I'm reading your opinions.


It was a 2D game released after 3D games had become mainstream.

So was Street Fighter Alpha and Street Fighter Alpha 2. They did pretty well.


It was released only a month after FFVII. The hype behind that game was so monumental as to bury pretty much any other game released in the next several months.

Sorry, but the entire gaming world didn't revolve around FFVII. Yes, the game was hyped, but not Halo 2 hyped.


According to wikipedia, Konami even low-balled the game for US release.

According to Who?


Since the Saturn port wasn't released outside Japan, I fail to see what bearing it has on the conversation.

It actually was released outside of Japan, but very briefly, like Panzer Dragoon Saga. The point is, the game was liked enough to have another console version a year after it's release. success and popularity go hand and hand.


Nearly all of SotN's popularity came pretty well after the fact, which is pretty much the definition of "cult following."


Once again, the game achieved commerical success at it's release. Just because the spotlight was on FFVII doesn't mean any other game at that time was forgotten or ignored.

Psycho_Cyan
05-26-2008, 08:16 PM
I'm not ignoring facts, I'm reading your opinions.

I'm beginning to see why Hynad stopped bothering with you. :rolleyes:


So was Street Fighter Alpha and Street Fighter Alpha 2. They did pretty well.

Commercial success and hype are two different things. At any rate, 2D fighters are still pretty popular. Look at Smash Bros. SotN was a 2D platformer released for a system that already had many 3D platformers like Crash, Spyro, and Tomb Raider. Why would it be talked about?


Sorry, but the entire gaming world didn't revolve around FFVII. Yes, the game was hyped, but not Halo 2 hyped.

Bad example, seeing as Halo 2 came out nearly a decade after FFVII. The industry's changed quite a bit. Anyway, at the time, there had never been a game with the kind of hype FFVII received. So yes, the gaming world did very much revolve around FFVII, at least for a time.


According to Who?

:rolleyes: Don't be a cunt.


It actually was released outside of Japan, but very briefly, like Panzer Dragoon Saga. The point is, the game was liked enough to have another console version a year after it's release. success and popularity go hand and hand.

The wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlevania:_SOTN) page on SotN says the following:


In 1998, Symphony of the Night was ported to the Sega Saturn by Konami Computer Entertainment Nagoya with some extra features. This port was never released outside Japan.

Searching gamefaqs.com for any CV title on the Saturn yielded no results.

In other words, without compelling evidence to the contrary, you're wrong about your fact, and you're not even in the right discussion if you're bringing up success and popularity. Neither of those are the same thing as hype.


Once again, the game achieved commerical success at it's release. Just because the spotlight was on FFVII doesn't mean any other game at that time was forgotten or ignored.

Once again, success does not equal hype. The 'spotlight' you just brought up is the hype I'm talking about. SotN received next to none. There were no ads. There was hardly any talk about it. Magazines weren't printing multi-page previews for it. Hell, I don't remember even a full-page preview, tbqh.

All Seeing Eye
05-26-2008, 09:33 PM
I'm beginning to see why Hynad stopped bothering with you. :rolleyes:

Then you take forums way to seriously, like he/she does. Life is short, have fun with it.


Commercial success and hype are two different things. At any rate, 2D fighters are still pretty popular. Look at Smash Bros. SotN was a 2D platformer released for a system that already had many 3D platformers like Crash, Spyro, and Tomb Raider. Why would it be talked about?

I don't know, because it was the first Castlevaina on a 32-bit system, maybe? Also saying 2D fighters were still popular is a contradiction on your part. I'll leave you to find it.


Bad example, seeing as Halo 2 came out nearly a decade after FFVII. The industry's changed quite a bit. Anyway, at the time, there had never been a game with the kind of hype FFVII received. So yes, the gaming world did very much revolve around FFVII, at least for a time.

I disagree, the gaming world did not revolve around FFVII, the game was spotlighted, but it didn't stop gaming traffic any more then talk about FFVIII or FFIX did. In fact, I could argue that Zelda: Ocarina of Time got more hype then FFVII. Also Halo 2, Metal Gear Solid 2, Halo 3, or any game can be used as an example, time period doesn't matter. Hype is Hype.




The wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlevania:_SOTN) page on SotN says the following:



Searching gamefaqs.com for any CV title on the Saturn yielded no results.

In other words, without compelling evidence to the contrary, you're wrong about your fact, and you're not even in the right discussion if you're bringing up success and popularity. Neither of those are the same thing as hype.

Hype is the build up and prediction that something will be Successful and popular. They relate quite a bit.

Pedia is not compelling evidence either. Get a statement from Konami saying the game was a cult hit, then I'll shut up. At least on this topic. ;)



Once again, success does not equal hype. The 'spotlight' you just brought up is the hype I'm talking about.

hype doesn't chose what becomes a hit or a cult hit. A lot of things are hyped and turn out garbage. Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness is a good example, or are you going to play the time period game here too?



SotN received next to none. There were no ads. There was hardly any talk about it. Magazines weren't printing multi-page previews for it. Hell, I don't remember even a full-page preview, tbqh.

Then you must not read Gamepro who were following the game till it's release, giving it a perfect score. Gamepro was one of the biggest Gaming Mags back then so...

I also remember a commercial too.

Hynad
05-26-2008, 10:41 PM
All Seeing eye, you have quite a bad memory, or you were too young to remember how the world revolved around FF VII in 1997.

All Seeing Eye
05-26-2008, 10:54 PM
All Seeing eye, you have quite a bad memory, or you were too young to remember how the world revolved around FF VII in 1997.

You seem to have bad comprehension. Yes, FFVII was the talk of 1997, but it didn't stop other games from becoming noticed by gamers, that is my point. Fighting Force came out the same year as FFVII with hardly any hype, but the game did very well. Like I said, I don't judge cult status by a games hype, I judge it by a games success and how long it took for that success.

Vastalis
05-27-2008, 07:50 AM
Blaster Master and Blaster Master: Blasting Again for starters.
Ditto, although I haven't played the 2nd one.

Another game I thought was good and off most peoples' lists, and one of my favorites of all time: Crystalis (NES).

Psycho_Cyan
05-28-2008, 12:57 AM
You seem to have bad comprehension. Yes, FFVII was the talk of 1997, but it didn't stop other games from becoming noticed by gamers, that is my point.

I'm not saying that SotN went completely unnoticed. I've only been saying that FFVII stole quite a bit of limelight from it and it should've gotten more. Since you won't see my point, feel free to consider yourself the winner of your infantile pissing contest. Congrats!

Hynad
05-28-2008, 01:34 AM
LMAO

All Seeing Eye
05-28-2008, 01:53 AM
I'm not saying that SotN went completely unnoticed. I've only been saying that FFVII stole quite a bit of limelight from it and it should've gotten more. Since you won't see my point, feel free to consider yourself the winner of your infantile pissing contest. Congrats!

No need for anger.

No congrats needed either.

I wasn't trying to win anything, and nice chatting with you.

Zulu
05-28-2008, 01:54 AM
Brake it up you little hoodlums. Make love, not war. :-*

matt damon
05-28-2008, 04:45 AM
Brake it up you little hoodlums. Make love, not war. :-*

craft

Rapture
05-28-2008, 08:17 PM
Shenmue.

Psycho_Cyan
05-29-2008, 10:40 PM
craft

I prefer StarCraft if it's all the same to you. ;)

edit: SC2 is in the works! w00t!

matt damon
05-30-2008, 01:00 AM
awww, cyancyde, don't yas get it?!

execrable gumwrapper
05-30-2008, 01:27 AM
I prefer StarCraft if it's all the same to you. ;)

edit: SC2 is in the works! w00t!

It's been in the works for the last 5 years...

ThroneofOminous
05-30-2008, 05:30 AM
And will probably be the works for 5 years more.

execrable gumwrapper
05-30-2008, 11:46 AM
I doubt it. I'm thinking Spring '09 release.

Django
05-30-2008, 03:44 PM
Shenmue.
ah the game that brought us qte's, the most cheap and shallow form of "gameplay" i've had the displeasure of encountering

whoever come up with that idea took the biggest dump on gaming ever

ot: space giraffe

J. Peterman
05-30-2008, 06:14 PM
wow you guys are pretty but then some my gosh

Psycho_Cyan
06-01-2008, 06:41 AM
Geez, Gara! Thanks for crushing my self-esteem. I'm going to go wear black EVERYTHING, lose my tan, and write shitty songs about you!

InnocentBlood
06-08-2008, 09:13 PM
slight necropost lolwut


How the HELL has nobody mentioned God Hand yet?

jackiechaisson05
06-08-2008, 09:20 PM
Of the modern era (i.e. from DC era onward); I don't play PC games so this is strictly on consoles only.

1. INDEED, God Hand (PS2 - deeply misunderstood game) is on the top of my list :)
2. Okami (PS2 - hopefully gets 2nd chance at success on Wii)
3. Psychonauts (PS2, XBX - amazing game in so many ways; so much better than BG&E, another overlooked game)
4. Panzer Dragoon Orta (XBX)
5. Power Stone 2 (DC - at least it got a re-release on PSP)
6. Tech Romancer (DC - arcade brawler that never had a chance for mainstream success; never ported anywhere else)
7. Project Justice (DC - this one, too - never arrived anywhere else)
8. Pikmin 2 (GCN - many people don't even know this game exists)
9. Beach Spikers (GCN - AM2 really delivered an excellent gameplay experience here - DOA Extreme this was not, and that's why it's so good)
10. Shenmue 2 (DC version - the English voice-overs in the XBX version pretty much ruin it; only the DC version with English subtitles lives up to the original translation)

Honorable mentions: BG&E (PS2, XBX), Ikaruga (DC, GCN), Ico (PS2), Grandia 3 (PS2), Space Channel 5 Parts 1 and 2 (DC version)

Goren
06-08-2008, 09:20 PM
Why not Erhgiez!!!

stuorstew
06-08-2008, 09:44 PM
I would say Libero Grande

impudent urinal
06-08-2008, 10:55 PM
I'm the only person I know who paid full price for Metal Arms: Glitch in the System. Quite a decent 3rd person shooter that hardly anyone played. Even though the villain got away, we may never get a chance to chase him since the developer, Swingin Ape Studios, was bought up by Blizzard and last I heard was one of the many teams working on the vaporware title Starcraft Ghost.

Psycho_Cyan
06-09-2008, 02:40 AM
I actually liked Advent Rising. I'm a bit of a Card fanboy and I thought the 'flick-targeting' mechanic was neat.

radioactiverhino
06-09-2008, 05:28 AM
Hey, what about Viewtiful Joe? I just found that in a bargain bin for $2.99 at EB Games, and it made me sad, seeing how much I loved it. :(

execrable gumwrapper
06-09-2008, 11:42 AM
Why the fuck would that make you sad? I seriously doubt you work for Capcom.

Goren
06-09-2008, 04:29 PM
That would make me happy seeing that it was cheap and all....

but thats just me.......

Hynad
06-09-2008, 05:10 PM
I love my car, but I cry when I see the price of gaz at $1.40/litre.

But that's just me.

execrable gumwrapper
06-09-2008, 06:16 PM
$4.50 a gallon, here. ;_; Thankfully everything is within walking distance.

Glitch
06-12-2008, 05:21 PM
And will probably be the works for 5 years more.

Reminds me of Duke Nukem Forever: Forever in the works, Forever delayed
and so on.

radioactiverhino
06-13-2008, 06:29 PM
Why the fuck would that make you sad? I seriously doubt you work for Capcom.
I have no idea why you brought Capcom into this (besides the fact that they made the game). Although I liked the cheap price, [it shows that] Viewtiful Joe was a highly underappreciated game. Despite being critically acclaimed, it was not a hit with the consumers (though it should have been).

Goren
06-13-2008, 06:31 PM
hmm... this is not making sense?

impudent urinal
06-13-2008, 09:31 PM
I don't think Viewtiful Joe qualifies. It sold well enough to warrant 3 sequels, a port to the PS2 and an anime. That doesn't strike me as under-rated.

Harvai
06-29-2008, 11:16 AM
The most under-hyped game that I LOVE to BITS would be Amplitude for the PS2. Nobody I've spoken to has heard of it. Then again, there never was much of a market for Music games.

But still, it was made by the crew that did the Guitar Hero series, and it's fairly similar in gameplay, except instead of just guitar, you have to keep the drums, vocals, bass, snyth/FX AND guitar going. Easy to learn, an unforgiving bitch to master.

AncientSaurian
07-01-2008, 12:07 AM
In recent years, I would have to say Victorious Boxers series on the PS2. The first game was released in the United States 2 years before Fight Night 2004. It's a solid boxing sim despite what the stylized aesthetics may suggest. I didn't like the game at first, but it grew on me as I learned to play the game. Landing a solid punch in this game requires the right angle and distance in relation to your opponent's position, making footwork an important aspect of the game.

Secondtooth
07-02-2008, 01:25 AM
Kane and Lynch: Dead Men..I love that game

NapalmJason
07-02-2008, 08:32 PM
Dude, GodHand. Funniest game ever.

execrable gumwrapper
07-02-2008, 10:50 PM
Kane and Lynch: Dead Men..I love that game

The hell? K&L was over-hyped, if you ask me. And I think it was rated just fine. It's a rather average game.

Dude, GodHand. Funniest game ever.

I wouldn't say funniest, but definitely didn't get the exposure it deserved.

Secondtooth
07-03-2008, 12:46 AM
Kane and Lynch was first over hyped..and then after that bullshit with the review became underrated

execrable gumwrapper
07-03-2008, 12:55 AM
What bullshit? The game is mediocre at best. I played the demo and that was more than I could take. Stupid teammates, shitty cover system, clunky controls, the list goes on.

All Seeing Eye
07-03-2008, 01:00 AM
To be fair, Kane and Lynch controls quite well on the PC. In fact, the overall game is better on the PC.

Still, I'd say it was one of the examples of too much hype, and I lost all my respect for Gamespot because of the outcome. Giantbomb from now on.

Secondtooth
07-03-2008, 01:16 AM
They controls were fine..better than GTA4 ..the AI of the teammates were better than Gears...


Dude, GodHand. Funniest game ever.

I've got to get a copy of that

AncientSaurian
07-03-2008, 05:28 AM
I think all reviews should be taken with a grain of salt. There is little if any objectivity to the reviews to give you a real feel of the game. After all, it's only a reflection of the writer's personal taste.

Secondtooth
07-04-2008, 01:49 AM
Most over hyped game would have to be GTA 4...and it turned out to be fairly lame

Jessie
07-04-2008, 02:28 AM
I would have to say Parasite Eve 2, didn't get much if any hype in Europe and it's one of my favorite games.
Same with Vagrant Story no hype excellent game.

gutter_trash
07-06-2008, 06:06 PM
God Hand

Manyissues101Ali
07-07-2008, 01:20 AM
Dark Cloud

Valerie Valens
07-08-2008, 07:56 PM
Secret of Evermore, Vagrant Story and Serious Sam.

jlkirakun
07-14-2008, 12:04 AM
I would say Dragoneer's Aria. I thought it was pretty good..

B00gieP0p
07-20-2008, 09:55 AM
Clive Barker's Undying.

As under-rated as you can get next to.

Shadowgate.

mistamontiel00
07-20-2008, 05:24 PM
What happen to the good ol auto destruction ?? lol, I know Twisted Metal series sucks, but when I played Auto Destruct for the ps1 that shit was cool great gameplay good music sweet levels jeez I'd rather get back into that than Spy Hunter

Psycho_Cyan
07-20-2008, 10:32 PM
The first two Twisted Metals and TM Black were quite good, jftr.

TellKenzine
11-14-2008, 09:17 PM
Underrated? DEFINITELY Quest 64. I played that game so much when I was a kid.

jewess crabcake
11-14-2008, 10:44 PM
I hated Quest 64 soooo much.

doomjockey
11-14-2008, 11:05 PM
Well, since we were discussing it in another thread, XIII for Xbox original definitely qualifies.

slippyToad
11-15-2008, 03:12 PM
for me it's space station silicon valley. Besides the lowres graphics, the game was very original and well done.
It was funny to hear some parts of tunes of the game in grand theft auto 2 if i recall.

paddybee
11-17-2008, 11:49 PM
beyond good and evil, did really enjoy that game and the pig bloke (whos name has escaped me) was really funny

and the main character jade reminded me of the central girl from the half life game on ps3

paddybee
11-17-2008, 11:52 PM
What bullshit? The game is mediocre at best. I played the demo and that was more than I could take. Stupid teammates, shitty cover system, clunky controls, the list goes on.

co sign totally, just glad I paid a tenner for it

Maha Vailo
11-18-2008, 01:55 AM
My obscure favorite would be Einhander. I've only met a handful of people who've heard of the game, let alone play or own it. It's one of those games you can never get tired of. It didn't seem to get much publicity - the only reason why I know it is because it was on the demo CD that came with my PSX.

Tanis
07-21-2009, 12:38 PM
DS:
Legend of Kage 2 - Like the old school Ninja Gaiden, but easier (most of the time). Great art, graphics, story and a fairly complex magic system. Add in two characters that play differently enough to justify playing through both 'stories' and you have one of the best games Square has put out in YEARS.


PS2:
(Naval Ops Series) Warship Gunner 2 - Think Armored Core (but not as fucking slow, most of the time) with page after page after page of upgrades and ships types.
Play as everything from some little Currier to a submarine to an Aircraft Carrier and a story that's ripped out of the Ace Combat games, and you've got one of the most under looked games on the PS2.
The sales of this game were just plan shameful

Baroque - While this game does nothing to prepare you and, lets face it, the story you pretty much accidentally bump into, that's one of the reason you keep coming back. A tower that never seems to end, great character and monster designs, haunting music, difficulty that goes from a walk in the park to a walk in the hurricane, this game is just an odd kind of fun. A total throwback to dungeon crawlers like Diablo or Planscape: Torment, no game is ever exactly the same.
Add to it the fact that dieing actually makes you progress, and you've got one weird but fun game.

Dropship: United Peace Force - One of the odder games I've come across (and that's saying something) you play as well a..dropship that carries your other ships into combat and spy missions. With game play that goes from 'Ace Combat' to 'Tank Battle', there's really a variety of ways to complete missions and fun to be had. My biggest issue with this game is that the level are too damn long and while there are check points, they don't really help if you just want a quick play.

Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex - A GOOD anime based game? What the fuck, am I right? While not the best game in the world, the simple fact that this game is not total shit (SEE: GitS on the PSP) and has a GREAT 4 player multi-player mode with a decent story, great graphics, and controls that actually work, some really good weapons and combat, this is one of my favorite anime based games out there.

Giants: Citizen Kabuto - You play as a drunk alien British mercenary, a naked water chick, and a huge fucking dinosaur like thing. What's not to love? A game that never seems to take itself to seriously (SEE: Most lines of dialogue in the game), some great game play that differs from each storyline (or creature class), plus some really fun run and kill game play, and you've got an over looked gem.

Gitaroo Man (Also on PSP) - Gain a magical guitar, fight a baby demon in the tutorial and proceed to fight (with the power of music) skeletons and evil alien keyboards and you've got one of the quirkiest rhythm music games on the PS2. One big issue is that when you pause the game on a song you HAVE TO replay from the start, this has been fixed in the PSP port of the game (thank fucking god).

God Hand - Insane 2D beat-em-up but 3D, genuinely funny moments and ball busting difficulty. Add some of the best music in a game, with an amazing replay value and a custom combo maker and you've pretty much got the new school answer to Double Dragon or Battletoads...but without the shitty racing stages.

Gundam: Zeonic Front - Yeah, yeah I know...A gundam game, underrated or Under appreciated? What the hell am I smoking, right? Well, guess what, you'd be wrong.
This is the Gundam game for people who don't really like...well...Gundam games.
A tactical third person shooter (SEE: SOCOM) with mechs, this is one of those weird games were even people I know who don't give a crap/like Gundam (or anime for that matter) seem to enjoy this game.
While not the most complex or long game of its kind, there's something surreal about leading a group of 5 Zaku like you're a freaking general into the fray as if this were SOCOM or a online team up of some random FPS.
--------------------------OTHERS I NEED TO GIVE A REASON------------------
Klonoa 2
Okage: Shadow King
Oni
Psychonauts
Red Faction 1
Samurai Western
Shadow Of Destiny
Skygunner
Soul Nomad & The World Eaters
Sub Rebellion
TransFormers
VCL Presents: Motor Mayhem
Whiplash
Wizardry: Tale Of The Forsaken Land
Wrath: Unleashed
Zone Of The Enders 2: The 2nd Runner

BNX
07-21-2009, 01:27 PM
Ah, God Hand...I don't think I've ever seen gayer bosses than those two...

Tanis
07-21-2009, 01:29 PM
Ah, God Hand...I don't think I've ever seen gayer bosses than those two...

Don't go all broke back on us...
:-*

BNX
07-21-2009, 01:58 PM
Don't go all broke back on us...
:-*

You've played God Hand, you know what two bosses. :ohgod:

Tanis
07-21-2009, 02:03 PM
You've played God Hand, you know what two bosses. :ohgod:
Hence the line from them.

For those who are interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B212KPSzJc

mastermind777
07-22-2009, 12:17 AM
Boktai is a pretty under-rated series. It's got great puzzles, it's a good length, it can be played several ways, the story is awesome, it's a unique game, and yet it still didn't sell enough. That'ss why the third game was only released in Japan, and the fourth game on DS was renamed, and all references to the original series were taken out, except for a few.

ChazA4
07-22-2009, 01:18 AM
Fortunately for me, back in the 8 to 16 bit era, my dad rarely bought the 'name' or popular games. As such, I got to play a lot of fun games that didn't get a lot of press(if any).

NES

GI Joe: Having grown up shouting "YO JOE!", I was ecstatic when I saw this out. Slight disappointment set in when I saw how limited you were with character selection, but that didn't change how cool it was to battle it out with Cobra troops and hardware. And yet few people even knew it was out. I was king of the hill when my dad rented it, describing to my friends the different Cobra vehicles I was fighting(sometimes needing someone's help to identify one).

Desert Commander: Remembering playing army games with those plastic soldiers? Maybe with your GI Joe toys? That was this game in a nutshell.

Golgo 13: We know of him now, thanks to the popularization of anime, but back then? Very few people knew of, let alone played this game. As a bonus, it was the first to teach us the healing powers of a bedside romp.:D

Metal Storm: You played the pilot of a robot that could reverse gravity! How cool is that?

Genesis

Alien Storm: You know who to call for ghosts, but who do you call for an alien invasion? Reminiscent of Streets of Rage, this didn't enjoy nearly the same success, despite hitting the arcades too.

Decapattack: An amusing game with tons of name puns(Frank N. Stine, Chuck D. Head, etc), this is a classic platforming hit for all ages.

Starflight: Boldly seek out new worlds and explore the unknown...but this ain't the Enterprise you're on! You might want to keep a pen and paper handy for notes in this space exploration game...and save often!

Truxton: One of the first 'bullet hell' shooters, this didn't(and still doesn't) get nearly enough recognition)

Super Nintendo

Metal Warriors: If you liked mecha battles, this was all for you. Made back during the days of Lucasarts' perfection, you played a pilot who could pilot not only your 'mobile suit' through various missions, but you could also steal your enemies' suits!

Wing Commander: More space combat, you were responsible for various missions, the outcome of which affected the flow of the overall war! VERY advanced controls(you'll need a manual on hand), but intense and immersive(you will find yourself feeling like your comrades are real people).

BNX
07-22-2009, 01:24 AM
Gun Nac. If you like top-scrolling shoot 'em ups, just go play it. I'm not good at explaining why, so just trust me, it's amazing for an NES game.

Eshvoide
07-22-2009, 09:53 AM
Skygunner was a great game but to be truthful, I suck at it. The OST is awesome. I always hated protection missions especially at the castle or trying to bring down that robot.

Slavka
07-22-2009, 10:36 AM
It's gotten recognition over the years (particularly with the sequel being announced), but initially Beyond Good & Evil sold very poorly, which is a shame since it's a great game.

avilslare
08-04-2009, 09:22 PM
.

Prak
08-04-2009, 09:31 PM
Agreed

But for me Voodoo Vince was completely underrated. The level design was some the best I've ever seen, and the whole voodoo doll - pain to yourself causes pain on others - thing was very cool and innovative, yet no one I've ever spoken to seems to have heard of the game.

lolling @ you pointing out the existence of similar threads to someone else and then posting in one of the older ones.

Post moved to more current thread.

avilslare
08-05-2009, 12:37 AM
lolling @ you pointing out the existence of similar threads to someone else and then posting in one of the older ones.

Post moved to more current thread.

What's the point of posting in a new thread when there's already an existing one on the same subject?

avilslare
08-05-2009, 12:38 AM
I hated Quest 64 soooo much.

Agreed

But for me Voodoo Vince was completely underrated. The level design was some the best I've ever seen, and the whole voodoo doll - pain to yourself causes pain on others - thing was very cool and innovative, yet no one I've ever spoken to seems to have heard of the game.

Neg
08-05-2009, 12:39 AM
I never even saw this thread, hence why I didn't do anything with the other one.

Weird.

Wait, there's a third one? WTF

throwawaythis
08-05-2009, 02:35 AM
Parasite Eve isn't nearly as hyped up as it rightfully should be.

Byrd
08-05-2009, 03:22 AM
FF7 was such an underrated underhyped videogame man.

WHEN WILL IT GET TEH RECOGNITION IT DESERVES?!?!!?

And Halo.

kokujin
08-05-2009, 07:20 AM
Virtua Fighter 5-Easily the deepest fighting game engine crafted, bar none.
Baten Kaitos 1&2-The game's story is really silly, and voice acting is bad,especially in the first one, but the battle system is fun.
Last Remnant-Suffers from the same problems as Baten Kaitos, never played the 360 version, but the one for the PC is fun.

Those are some off the top of my head.Through my years, I notice people tend to favor the unimportant aspects of video games, and good games suffer because of this.

Crazy Novice
08-29-2009, 06:01 PM
GOD HAND IS WIN! That was such a great game and it didn't get any good attention!

What are you talking about FF7 is HUGE! at least around here it is..

Goren
08-29-2009, 06:25 PM
He is being funny...

Noxre
09-07-2009, 07:49 PM
I'd have to say the most underhyped and underated game that I ever loved was Drag-On Dragoon, both 1&2. (Drakengard in North America)

I dunno, the gameplay wasn't excellent, and it was repetitive, the music in the first game was pretty out of it, but I absolutley adored the game for the storyline. I've had both since release and I play them constantly. They're still actually quite challenging.

Another game series that I did end up loving despite the lack of recognition was The Legend of Zelda, Oracle of Ages/Seasons series. You don't hear about the game-boy games as much as the console ones, but I remember playing them on the bus on the way home from school, some good memories there.

Darkton
09-07-2009, 08:43 PM
I could go on with a joke about how Darkstalkers needs more love in the US, but I have to take a break sometime, don't I?

Instead, I'll simply say Capcom Fighting Evolution. Sure, Demitri and the other's sprites seem a little outdated compared to, say, Yun and Alex, but it's the gameplay that counts, right? The idea of each character having their own individual system is quite interesting, and the final boss is quite a challenge. A great opening to Capcom Fighters if you wanna see what it's like.

Alternatively, War of the Monsters. Kind of a spiritual prequel to the Godzilla Fighting Games, it's got a pretty good original cast. I haven't seen any reports about it anywhere, which is quite a shame. I guess it's one of those cult classics on the PS2.

strikeXfreedom
09-09-2009, 04:08 AM
i would definatly say Riviera: the promised land for GBA, but later remade for PSP. I own both and the battle system was weird to say the least but the music was incredible.

Darkton
09-17-2009, 02:24 AM
FF7 was such an underrated underhyped videogame man.

WHEN WILL IT GET TEH RECOGNITION IT DESERVES?!?!!?

And Halo.
After taking a trip around these forums, I want to agree and add Kingdom Hearts to the list.

And MGS2. Kojima is such a genius. We can debate if you want.

twiztidlestat
09-17-2009, 09:23 PM
Under rated: Bushido Blade
Matrix Path of Neo

Underhyped: Any of the bloody roars
Bushido blade

Marceline
09-17-2009, 09:36 PM
Ever17.

I don't even think the English version is in print anymore. :(

Noxre
09-17-2009, 10:55 PM
Just thought about it but I did end up loving Oracle of ages and oracle of seasons more than a lot of other games than I had. Don't know how popular they were though.

Another Mad Dancer
09-18-2009, 01:07 AM
Surely these have already been mentioned but... Ogre Battle: Person of Lordly Caliber for the 64 and PN03 for the Gamecube. Special mention goes to Legacy of the Wizard on the NEs and Final Fantasy Adventures series on the Phat Boy (except part 1, that one totally sucks) Yeah, old Nintendo fanboy here.
Edit: At slippytoad: Whoa you got "space station silicon valley" I looked like mad for that game a decade ago. Of course, it was back then before the Internet.

All Seeing Eye
09-18-2009, 01:38 AM
I would say Kya:The Dark Lineage for the PS2 was a very good platformer that focused on using the wind. It got decent reviews, but the game was completely overlooked. Beyond Good and Evil is another PS2 platformer, but recently it's gotten some notice, and a sequel is in the works.


Another game is ONE for the PSX. Kickass action game that got overlooked. Prototype reminds me so much of that game.

Knight From Beyond
09-21-2009, 06:52 AM
All 3 of the Ogre Battle series games I own. (Ogre Battle, Ogre Battle 64, and Tactics Ogre) Excellent games. I'm not a fan of SRPGs either.

I guess you could throw ICO into that as well.

Dr Faustus
09-21-2009, 12:52 PM
I guess you could throw ICO into that as well.

And SOTC

R-Chrome
12-14-2009, 12:38 PM
NetStorm
Descent 3
Fallout: Tactics
Wizardry 8
System Shock 1 & 2

ne-ne3102
12-16-2009, 03:05 AM
Mystical Ninja: Starring Goemon for N64. I cant even count how many times I played this gem through. Seems shabby at first but you really get into it.

Agreed I love that Game! and The music (yet I am so young lol)

Red Arremer
12-16-2009, 03:06 AM
The CD-i itself as a console, and its Nintendo-licensed games, as well as Tetris CD-i.

ne-ne3102
12-16-2009, 03:06 AM
No More Heroes ... It just doesnt seem to be known and Pikman no one gives it a try lol

Seru_Kai
12-16-2009, 03:18 AM
The CD-i itself as a console.

My uncle had that when i was a kid, back before my ps1. I thought it was the coolest thing ever haha. Never saw it in a store though, kinna bummed.

Then I got my ps1 and forgot all about the CD-i sadly.

Red Arremer
12-16-2009, 03:21 AM
My uncle had that when i was a kid, back before my ps1. I thought it was the coolest thing ever haha. Never saw it in a store though, kinna bummed.

Then I got my ps1 and forgot all about the CD-i sadly.

It was incredibly hard to come by, but it was released in Europe as well, so my father picked one up. He sold it later on, though, sometime in the late 90s together with our Pong console. Seeing how much each of those monsters is worth nowadays, I'd like to strangle him for that, as I've grown to be a collector of consoles and rare video game stuff. Though I probably wouldn't have enough room for the Pong arcade, heh.

monkeysrsocool
12-20-2009, 03:25 AM
With my super strength, i must say the Etrian Odyssey series. ISSOFUNNN!

Edge Maverick
12-20-2009, 05:49 AM
Bloody Roar*series*
Rumble Roses
Dynasty Warriors*series*
Enchanted Arms

Darth Revan
12-20-2009, 08:09 AM
Mystaria: The Realms of Lore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystaria). First game I played on the Sega Saturn, and first I bought when I found it again 8 years ago. Great game.

Tanis
12-20-2009, 08:23 AM
Nightshade (PS2)

Set in the same universe as Shinobi (PS2) it was ragged on pretty hard in reviews.
The game doesn't give a fuck about you, it's hard. It's really hard.

You die, period.
You'll get good, even feel like you're on 'god mode', and then you'll die.

Sometimes the deaths are cheap, other times the deaths are cheats, and most of the time it's because you and your dumbfuck ego forgot to move the right direction.

I love it.

CC
12-20-2009, 08:37 AM
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire for N64.

avilslare
12-20-2009, 09:07 AM
Mystical Ninja: Starring Goemon for N64. I cant even count how many times I played this gem through. Seems shabby at first but you really get into it.

I remember enjoying that game. I felt that the difficulty was a bit uneven in parts but other than that it was a fun ride, especially the FPS robot battles.

Sephiroth_
12-23-2009, 05:47 AM
Enchanted Arms for Xbox 360 and PS3. The game was good too me and I liked but it was under rated and under hyped and only sold around 500,000 copies.

Goren
12-23-2009, 05:59 AM
I have it, and it's not good, man.

It's ok.

Sephiroth_
12-23-2009, 08:45 AM
I have it, and it's not good, man.

It's ok.

I thought it was good though well the story I liked and battle system a little bit. I just hated the encounters every 5-15 seconds. Its not that bad of a game even though it fails in comparison to the FF games.

PsychoCyan
12-23-2009, 09:27 PM
Star Ocean 2 comes to mind, for me. As does Zack and Wiki.

Tom Toonami Tunes
12-27-2009, 09:32 AM
Alien Hominid - Gamecube

Contra like side scrolling shooter with co-op and the ability to chose any level to start on once you unlock it.

Shikuru
12-27-2009, 07:37 PM
Killer Instinct 1 & 2
Easy to learn, hard to master. The fighting mechanics are actually pretty deep. Play this game for a while, and you'll see how under-rated this great game is.

Argus Zephyrus
12-27-2009, 10:26 PM
Shadows of the Empire (N64) =P

Darth Revan
12-28-2009, 03:31 AM
Shadows of the Empire (N64) =P

The novel was a good read.

CC
12-28-2009, 06:59 AM
Shadows of the Empire (N64) =P

That was my answer too; didn't know there was a novelization.

Argus Zephyrus
12-28-2009, 07:41 AM
The novel was a good read.
Yes, written by Steve Perry. Probably the best of the Star Wars novels. Most of them tend to be in a galaxy of their own, not the same one as SW. =__='
I quickly grew tired of the novels.

Darth Revan
12-28-2009, 07:43 AM
That was my answer too; didn't know there was a novelization.

The novelisation is written by Steve Perry and is set between Star Wars Episode V The Empire Strikes Back and Star Wars Episode VI Return of the Jedi.

Taken from wikipedia

The main plotline is told in Steve Perry's novel, Shadows of the Empire, published by Bantam Books. It introduces Prince Xizor, the alien overlord of the largest criminal organization in the galaxy. His goal is to take Darth Vader's place at Emperor Palpatine's side. The novel also resumes the storylines of the usual characters. Han Solo is still frozen in carbonite, being taken to the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt by the bounty hunter Boba Fett. It shows Princess Leia's secret search for Boba Fett, the construction of Luke Skywalker's new lightsaber and Darth Vader's search for his son. It introduces a new character to the saga, Dash Rendar, a Han Solo-type smuggler, who acts primarily as a replacement for Han Solo and as a part of the action sequences.

Tanis
12-28-2009, 07:47 AM
I, Jedi was an epic SW book.

Tom Toonami Tunes
12-28-2009, 09:15 AM
Shadows of the Empire (N64) =P

I hate to say it but Shadows of the Empire was way hyped. SotE was an attempt to make a new Star Wars movie in some form or another but Lucas said no because he was planing on doing 1,2,& 3 so it turned into a major movie release with tie-in games, books, toys, comics, and even an OST (I should upload it some time) but no movie to go with it. Go figure.

Argus Zephyrus
12-28-2009, 10:04 AM
It was hyped? I didn't notice at the time. I mostly bought it because I had never tried a Star Wars game before and I saw it at Walmart. To this day I am not all that impressed with the Star Wars games I've played so far except Battlefront, but I have not had time to really sit down and play it more. It probably doesn't help that I only have an xbox (not 360) demo, lol.

SotE made me a Rendar fan, lol. He's second (or tied) only to Duke Nukem, James Bond, and the DooM marine. =P

Eshvoide
12-29-2009, 06:39 AM
Twinkle Star Sprites
- Youtube Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcfzlj1bwk4)

Tom Toonami Tunes
01-02-2010, 08:33 AM
It was hyped? I didn't notice at the time. I mostly bought it because I had never tried a Star Wars game before and I saw it at Walmart. To this day I am not all that impressed with the Star Wars games I've played so far except Battlefront, but I have not had time to really sit down and play it more. It probably doesn't help that I only have an xbox (not 360) demo, lol.

SotE made me a Rendar fan, lol. He's second (or tied) only to Duke Nukem, James Bond, and the DooM marine. =P

Not even Knights of the Old Republic? Before my computer crapped out on me I started playing Battlefront and while it's not to well balanced, you really only need to be a basic grunt and the flight controls are pretty stupid for PC even without the tiny flight ceiling over all I thought it was a fun team arcade shooter.

Argus Zephyrus
01-02-2010, 09:50 AM
Knights of the Old Republic? I do not remember that one at all. I'm pretty sure I didn't play it. Well, Google refreshed my memory somewhat. Sure didn't play that one, or I just do not remember diddly squat. >_<

The Terminator
01-02-2010, 10:05 AM
Shadows of the Empire (N64) =P

I love shadows, I always thought it would've made a more interesting story then how the prequels turned out. Dash is still one of my all time favorite video game characters as well as a star wars character.

Darth Revan
01-02-2010, 11:53 AM
Knights of the Old Republic? I do not remember that one at all. I'm pretty sure I didn't play it. Well, Google refreshed my memory somewhat. Sure didn't play that one, or I just do not remember diddly squat. >_<

Knights of the Old Republic is set 4000 years prior to Star Wars Episode One The Phantom Menace, and about 40-50 years after the first Sith War (Chronicled in Dark Horse Comics The Sith War) with Exar Kun and co.

I won't spoil it for you, but KotOR and it's sequel (set 4 years or so after the first) KotOR II: The Sith Lords.

Take from the back of the manual of KotOR:

Four thousand years before the rise of the Galactic Empire, the Republic verges on collapse. DARTH MALAK, last surviving apprentice of the Dark Lord Revan, has unleashed a invincible Sith armada upon an unsuspecting galaxy.

Crushing all resistance, Malak's war of conquest has left the Jedi Order scattered and vulnerable as countless Knights fall in battle, and many more swear allegiance to the new Sith Master.

In the skies above the Outer Rim world of Taris, a Jedi battle fleet engages the forces of Darth Malak in a desperate effort to halt the Sith's galactic domination.

And for KotOR II The Sith Lords:

It is a perilous time for the galaxy...

A brutal civil war has all but destroyed the Jedi Order, leaving the ailing Republic on the verge of collapse. Amid the turmoil, the evil Sith have spread across the galaxy, hunting down and destroying the remaining Jedi Knights. Narrowly escaping a deadly Sith ambush, the last known Jedi clings to life aboard a battered freighter near the ravaged world of Peragus...

If you like RPG's, I strongly recommend Knights of the Old Republic and it's sequel. Also... being able to create your own character and interact with others in the Star Wars universe is a bonus.

Q-Tip Trepe
01-02-2010, 01:18 PM
Tombi.

CC
01-02-2010, 10:08 PM
I was thinking about this thread last night, and decided I'd come here to say that another great game I love (but don't have right now) is called Blade of Darkness, or as some call it, "Severance: Blade of Darkness". It was originally called "Blade: The Edge of Darkness" upon its initial release, but here in the US they had to change the name because something else (a movie or a game, I don't recall exactly) had the same name, so as a result, it became "Blade of Darkness". Very gory game, definitely not for the squeamish. It's not really so much about story (the story is so unnecessarily convoluted you wind up not caring about it at all, since it's really only tacked on as an afterthought anyway) but more so about the gameplay, and just good ol' hackin' and slashin' away at the baddies. I've never in my life known anyone else who played it or even heard of it, so I think it definitely counts under this section.

If you're into bloody games, and I mean reeeaaaally bloody, then check out Severance: Blade of Darkness for something awesome!

Zulu
01-03-2010, 07:48 AM
I just found my old copy of "Swagman", and played it for the fist time in ten years. Wow, what a wonderful and completely underrated game! The music is incredible.

illlaymedown
01-05-2010, 10:27 AM
Has to be Final Fantasy VIII....but if I have to pick a non FF game I'd say, maybe thought Dark Cloud 2 could've had more acknowledgement.

Goren
01-05-2010, 10:28 AM
I still say...

Mystical Ninjas - Super Nintendo

This game was fun.

kouper
01-06-2010, 10:06 PM
Hmmm Too Human was terribly underrated. And underhyped. It got basically smashed by reviewers who in many cases (they even acknowledged it themselves) didn't even review the game, but took existing reviews and rewrote them in their own words...

TheKev
01-07-2010, 01:56 AM
Earthbound (aka MOTHER 2) it was relatively unknown in the US, or at least not as hyped as DKC.

topopoz
01-07-2010, 02:44 AM
Super Castlevania IV - The best castlevania game ever to me.

IDX
01-07-2010, 03:16 AM
Has to be Final Fantasy VIII...
I have a feeling we're going to be good buds down the road :).

kouper
01-07-2010, 11:56 PM
Earthbound (aka MOTHER 2) it was relatively unknown in the US, or at least not as hyped as DKC.

One of my all time favorite games.

CC
01-08-2010, 07:17 AM
There's three more games I need to add to this thread. Dungeon Siege, Age of Mythology, and Age of Empires III. All three, I heard/saw virtually no hype or advertisement for, and all three I absolutely love. Dungeon Siege may be linear, but its sequel certainly makes up for that. And the Age-Of games, namely Age of Mythology, are very addictive (for me at least). If any of these three games were hyped, I certainly missed it. But I know of no one else who plays them today, and I still get the same feeling of adventure from them that I did on my first playthrough, which is why I think they count. This also reminds me of another addition I need to make to the "most disappointing game" thread, too.

SS4Jake
02-03-2010, 08:15 AM
Underrated? Brave Fencer Musashi for PSX. Goes down in my books as one of the all time greats. Fun storyline with pretty tongue-in-cheek voice acting you can't help but love (Izzy from Digimon as Musashi) and the music is some of the best i've EVER heard in a game.

Damian Angel
02-03-2010, 11:57 AM
Phantom Dust for the XBOX
never going to sell that sucker

Tanis
02-03-2010, 12:02 PM
Phantom Dust for the XBOX
never going to sell that sucker
I wish there was a 2nd game for the 360/PS3.

Game is mad fun.

Damian Angel
02-03-2010, 12:19 PM
No Kiddin
I wonder if its backwards compatible with 360
yes folks i still own a x brick to play X box games on

Damian Angel
02-03-2010, 12:23 PM
God Hand is another one i love the hell out of
i dont know if this is under-rated or under-hyped
but im including Amazing Island for GC
must find

Shikuru
02-14-2010, 04:45 AM
I say Ikaruga, a fun vertical shmup (I said it right, right?) with the polarity system up-ing the difficulty.

"But Keii, they re-released it for the Xbox 360 Arcade"

And thats exactly my point: They re-released it ONLY for the 360. I propose they release it for the PS3 and if possible, the PSP.

Tanis
02-14-2010, 04:51 AM
Star Wars: Republic Commando


Maybe it's because I owned a PS2 at the time, it came out for the Xbox/PC only, but after a random purchase of the game for the Xbox used...wow.

It's a really good game, one of the best 'Star Wars' games released.

sdg657
02-14-2010, 09:17 AM
Dark Sector

Pisces Knight
02-14-2010, 10:14 AM
gee, thats a hard question for me.

i guess it would be warcraft 2.
while everyobody was jizzing their paints with starcraft, i was way happier killing orcs.
back then, i never really liked starcraft, and to this day, i still prefer the warcraft lore over the starcraft lore, including the "upcoming" SC 2

Zasoken
02-15-2010, 05:15 AM
God Hand ;D

TheGiftedOne
02-16-2010, 12:44 AM
For me Final Fantasy Tactics A2. I never hear about it.

CC
03-13-2010, 02:20 AM
Bram Stoker's Dracula for SNES.

Diabolico
03-13-2010, 03:20 AM





DON'T DARE TO ASK

Rock Lobster
03-13-2010, 03:25 AM
My favorite underrated game would have to be Megaman Legends. In my opinion, it was a great 3D take on the series, mixing classic Megaman action with Zelda-style adventure elements, but the puzzles were a tad less challenging(which I don't find a bad thing) The controls could be altered from the menu to be much more comfortable, so don't listen to the ignorant players who said the controls sucked. I can't really find any complaints with the voice-overs, either. Well, they were a gigantic step up from Megaman 8, in my opinion. The sequel was also good, and heck, Inafune himself said it was his favorite MM spinoff, and he'd love to make a new one! So I'd highly recommend giving these underrated gems another try.

Another game I find fun and underrated is Telefang for the GBC. It got a rather bad rap in the US because it was only released here in the miserably translated pirated guise of a fake Pokemon game, Pokemon Diamond(no, not the DS one). For anyone who's a fan of the older Pokemon games, it's a very good companion series, having its own wide roster of creatures to tame and control in a turn-based formula. A Japan-only GBA sequel was released, which thankfully never had to undergo the shame of being pirated. Like Pokemon, none of the games are exceedingly difficult to play in their native language, as there's not a lot of emphasis on dialogue, the game mainly focuses on battles. You'll just need to memorize which attack is in which position, really. Regardless of its similarities, it's very fun, and much more enjoyable than other attempts to dethrone the Pocket Monsters.

Kayfabe
03-13-2010, 06:32 PM
Perhaps Mystical Ninja: Starring Goemon on N64. Hilariously misplaced laugh tracks over "dry" but not boring dialogue, an overly ridiculous straight up retarded but still understandable storyline, and very fun creative gameplay. Just unbelievable locales throughout an exaggerated fictious japan. Amazing.

Tom Toonami Tunes
03-14-2010, 07:25 AM
Did I say Beyond Good & Evil yet?

avilslare
03-14-2010, 11:39 AM
Perhaps Mystical Ninja: Starring Goemon on N64. Hilariously misplaced laugh tracks over "dry" but not boring dialogue, an overly ridiculous straight up retarded but still understandable storyline, and very fun creative gameplay. Just unbelievable locales throughout an exaggerated fictious japan. Amazing.

I second this

Smarty
03-14-2010, 11:44 AM
gee, thats a hard question for me.

i guess it would be warcraft 2.
while everyobody was jizzing their paints with starcraft, i was way happier killing orcs.
back then, i never really liked starcraft, and to this day, i still prefer the warcraft lore over the starcraft lore, including the "upcoming" SC 2

I too was jizzing my pants with starcraft. You can't go wrong with that game. I never cared much about the warcraft series tbh.

Kayfabe
03-15-2010, 04:00 AM
I second this

x2

avilslare
03-15-2010, 05:11 AM
x2

I really enjoyed the mecha battles the most.

DesROW
03-20-2010, 09:54 PM
No More Heroes.
Best game ever for the Wii

GhostWriter73
04-02-2010, 03:35 PM
I'm gonna gun for The Legend of Dragoon. I don't remember much hype about that game back in the day and it remains one of my most treasured JRPGs. Fantastic game.

Kayfabe
04-02-2010, 05:17 PM
There's three more games I need to add to this thread. Dungeon Siege, Age of Mythology, and Age of Empires III. All three, I heard/saw virtually no hype or advertisement for, and all three I absolutely love. Dungeon Siege may be linear, but its sequel certainly makes up for that. And the Age-Of games, namely Age of Mythology, are very addictive (for me at least). If any of these three games were hyped, I certainly missed it. But I know of no one else who plays them today, and I still get the same feeling of adventure from them that I did on my first playthrough, which is why I think they count. This also reminds me of another addition I need to make to the "most disappointing game" thread, too.

Dungeon Siege was probably one of my first leaps into playing an RPG co-operatively online, which probably sparked my initial interest in Guild Wars, but if it wasnt for the vast intricacies of Guild Wars, I wouldn't have stuck with it for so long. From irc last night after jn was complaining he didn't like most MMOs =D:

This isn't really a spoiler, its just a big block of irc logs, so it might not be pleasant to have in the post.
(12:48:30 AM) Kayfabe: In guild wars, you have a map, you can travel to any town you've already been to in an instant, unlike wow's wandering about shit, only primary quests are required, and theres instanced areas right from the beginning of each campaign that you bring a full party into, is instanced, and you complete goals such as doing puzzles together and whatnot, and they progress the game's story via cutscene. The level cap is 20, and it takes a new player about a month to hit, and experienced players can get it in a few days, yet with normal methods, youd hit 20 about the end of the first third of the game yet it still scales up in difficulty, near the end of the game the combat gets very challenging and you must bring your 7 other players together to properly communicate to actually get anywhere. Then, after that, there's hard mode, to top it off.
(12:48:57 AM) Multeblink: a lot of mmorpgs have wandering shit though iirc.
(12:49:08 AM) jn: okay, that sounds pretty good
(12:49:12 AM) jn: puzzles
(12:49:13 AM) Kayfabe: lots of builds can make you play differently, such as basic ones where you will gain attack damage based on how many enchantments you have
(12:49:20 AM) ashin: wow is actually one of the better ones about not making you wander a ton
(12:49:22 AM) jn: holy crap, puzzles are what lack
(12:49:25 AM) Kayfabe: or ones where you can like strip enchantments off players,and stuff
(12:49:44 AM) Kayfabe: also, theres a class right from the first game that is about illusions and stuff
(12:49:45 AM) Kayfabe: its weird
(12:50:13 AM) jn: okay so that sounds like an interesting take on the genre
(12:50:26 AM) Kayfabe: one build that I love to use to show off the versatility of guild wars's combat system is in the very few areas where there's no enchantment stripping, something called a 55 monk can be played
(12:50:41 AM) Kayfabe: you drop your health to 55 using superior runes which give you stat boosts in exchange for max health
(12:51:04 AM) Multeblink: brb resetting this peice of shit
(12:51:08 AM) Multeblink left the room (quit: Quit: Quit massage).
(12:51:13 AM) Kayfabe: using the combination of those and this one offhand from a quest, you can get to 55. Then, you maintain protective spirit which means you cannot take more than 10% of your max hp in total damage from a hit
(12:51:35 AM) Kayfabe: and that rounds to 50 so you cant take more than 5
(12:51:50 AM) Kayfabe: and then shield of absorption which minimum reduces 5 damage off each incoming attack
(12:52:00 AM) jn: oh, haha
(12:52:02 AM) Kayfabe: of course it doesnt work everywhere, cause theres enchantment stripping nearly anywhere
(12:52:12 AM) Kayfabe: but theres a few places where it used to be used to farm... its not too great anymore.
(12:52:22 AM) Kayfabe: or there used to be one that was really cool
(12:52:33 AM) Kayfabe: where as a ranger you'd instead of using a bow like theyre supposed to
(12:52:50 AM) Kayfabe: you'd use the dervish's scythe, which can hit multiple enemies and dish out a lot of damage, by taking dervish as your secondary class
(12:53:17 AM) Kayfabe: you'd put tons of points into the ranger's expertise stat, to get your attacks to cost less energy, and then put on skills that up your dodge rating by a whole lot
(12:53:37 AM) Kayfabe: that was popular in pvp for a while
(12:53:51 AM) Kayfabe: no build is perfect though. land some burning or degen and escape scythe was done for
(12:54:03 AM) Kayfabe: i love that in guild wars theres no perfect build yet theres so many possibilities
(12:54:12 AM) jn: customization sounds good
(12:54:16 AM) Kayfabe: let me find a decent build on pvxwiki and you can look at the skills and youll see what i mean
(12:54:31 AM) jn: but it still sounds like the same core formula of mmo
(12:54:32 AM) Kayfabe: okay
(12:54:37 AM) jn: with some good variants
(12:54:38 AM) Kayfabe: paragon primary, warrior secondary
(12:54:39 AM) Kayfabe: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Imbagon
(12:54:53 AM) Kayfabe: the goal more or less is to keep save yourselves up as much as possibile
(12:55:05 AM) Kayfabe: i run this alot myself and at my kurz rank SY! runs about 4 seconds
(12:55:21 AM) Kayfabe: adrenaline is what save yourselves costs
(12:55:26 AM) jn: I didn't understand that
(12:55:28 AM) Kayfabe: 8 strikes meaning i have to hit an enemy 8 times to use it
(12:55:40 AM) Kayfabe: so with aggresive refrain i attack faster so i can get 8 strikes faster
(12:55:45 AM) jn: oh "save yourselves" is some kind of skill or buff
(12:55:46 AM) Kayfabe: and then focused anger i get double adrenaline
(12:56:00 AM) Kayfabe: so in four quick attacks i can use save yourselves and give all my allies +100 armor
(12:56:03 AM) Multeblink [[email protected]] entered the room.
(12:56:14 AM) Kayfabe: enemies like to attack low armor targets, and they'll come after me instead because i am not affected by the buff
(12:56:29 AM) Kayfabe: so im also crowd control cause they can body block the enemies to keep them in a bunch trying to get to me
(12:56:43 AM) Kayfabe: of course they break aggro and change targets shortly but you know how it is
(12:56:45 AM) jn: I'm getting an mmo headache
(12:57:21 AM) Kayfabe: or if you just look at a couple of these skills
(12:57:25 AM) Multeblink: man, you really lose all hope when you run into imps on FF2
(12:57:26 AM) Multeblink: :/
(12:57:28 AM) Kayfabe: they remind me of magic: the gathering cards... http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Mo/A_AP_Boon-Prot
(12:57:34 AM) Kayfabe: i used to play that game in grade 6 lol
(12:57:59 AM) Kayfabe: but jn, i think guild wars is so far out from the mmo genre that a lot of people refuse to call it an mmo
(12:58:24 AM) Kayfabe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_online_role-playing_game
(12:58:35 AM) Kayfabe: guild wars is huge on pvp too
(12:58:43 AM) Kayfabe: but it doesnt sacrifice its pve for that
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(12:58:56 AM) Kayfabe: getting into high end guild wars pvp is hard
(12:59:05 AM) ghost128: is there an admin or mod on this chat right now?
(12:59:12 AM) Kayfabe: i've played 1700 hours and never gotten into the hall of heroes OR done a guild vs guild
(12:59:27 AM) Multeblink: confusionnnnnnnnn
(12:59:35 AM) jn: ^
(12:59:35 AM) Kayfabe: when i get a new computer that can run it better im probably gonna start playing again
(12:59:37 AM) Kayfabe: i miss it a lot
(12:59:51 AM) jn: CORPG
(12:59:54 AM) jn: semantics
(01:00:02 AM) jn: MMOCRPG
(01:00:07 AM) Kayfabe: ok jn
(01:00:12 AM) Kayfabe: fine one last thing
(01:00:16 AM) jn: would work just as well
(01:00:20 AM) Kayfabe: if you wanna see how versatile guild wars is
(01:00:28 AM) Kayfabe: remember these are only the builds that recieve the top amount of votes
(01:00:43 AM) Kayfabe: this is just a list of character setups people really like, tis not near all the possibilities
(01:00:43 AM) Multeblink: WHY
(01:00:50 AM) Sarah: QuickStats by mIRCStats - The most active people today: Kayfabe: 4 lines, jn: 2
(01:00:50 AM) Kayfabe: this is just the top rated for PvE
(01:00:51 AM) Sarah: mIRCStats update for #ffshrine complete! Check out the stats at http://gh.ffshrine.org/chat/ffshrine.html
(01:00:51 AM) Kayfabe: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Great_working_PvE_builds
(01:00:53 AM) Kayfabe: its a big list
(01:01:14 AM) Kayfabe: pvp list is big too
(01:01:14 AM) Kayfabe: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Great_working_PvP_builds
(01:01:23 AM) ghost128: sarah are you a admin?
(01:01:56 AM) Kayfabe: the list of all on the site for pve regardless of rating is here http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:All_working_PvE_builds
(01:02:03 AM) Kayfabe: and its just ones people put up there
(01:02:10 AM) Kayfabe: i got tons of my own self created ones not on there
(01:02:32 AM) Kayfabe: its not like wow where your class picks one of three talent trees and basically just is the same as 1 third of everyone in their class
(01:02:41 AM) Kayfabe: i hated wow when i tried it after gw
(01:02:56 AM) Kayfabe: i just realized the all link i sent is organized in pages
(01:03:16 AM) jn: that's fine, I saw that there are loads of builds
(01:03:23 AM) Kayfabe: theres a next 200, previous 200 at the top
(01:03:32 AM) ghost128 left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
(01:03:40 AM) Kayfabe: i wonder what the math is in gw for how many builds there are
(01:04:22 AM) Kayfabe: There are 1319
(01:04:26 AM) Kayfabe: skills in the game
(01:04:37 AM) Kayfabe: according to http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Skill
(01:04:54 AM) jn: kayfabe
(01:04:56 AM) jn: I get it
(01:05:00 AM) jn: there are lots of builds
(01:05:02 AM) Kayfabe: dude
(01:05:06 AM) Multeblink: lol
(01:05:07 AM) Kayfabe: 1319 and you pick 8
(01:05:10 AM) jn: and guildwars is great
(01:05:19 AM) Kayfabe: yes man you must try it or at least wait for gw2
(01:05:21 AM) Kayfabe: seriously !
(01:05:26 AM) Kayfabe: arenanet is fucking amazing
(01:05:39 AM) jn: I just said it was great so you would stop posting builds
(01:05:41 AM) jn: :D
(01:05:48 AM) jn: I'm just kidding, it looks like a solid game


In addition, I agree with the bit about the Age Of games, except my favourite had to be AoE 2, with the expansion. Things after that felt really clunky or poorly designed to me, so I couldn't really handle that. Getting new units on reaching a new age felt silly to me in mythology, and I found the tiny maps a bit depressing. AOE3's round map just made my brain hurt. Maybe it was just a case of familiar vs. unfamiliar, however.


For me Final Fantasy Tactics A2. I never hear about it.

Most definitely. I took the time to beat all 300 quests in this one, and I was tempted to make an all-one-race run of it, but the 40 storyline missions requiring Luso made me worry trying this with anything other than hume could just pretty much punish me. Did you play hard or normal? There wasn't really much point in normal, hard didn't change much except that you did less damage and the enemy did more. It made me just do some sidequests earlier and that's really it. Also; vaan is a god, stole ninja tabis for my whole party =D

supdup
04-03-2010, 11:13 AM
Legend Of Dragoon even though it was kinda medium hyped.

taintmusic
04-05-2010, 12:22 AM
Suikoden IV
I loved the game despite what the ratings and reviews are though i do wish the explain more of the hero's background more though...

kidhero10000
04-05-2010, 11:05 PM
Splinter Cell: Conviction Demo

Tom Toonami Tunes
04-06-2010, 05:21 AM
Splinter Cell: Conviction Demo

I'm unsure if a game demo can be considered an actual game :/

Darth Revan
04-06-2010, 09:27 AM
I'm unsure if a game demo can be considered an actual game :/

Only if the person who said it, plays only demos of games (as they are usually free) and refuses to pay full price for the complete game.

supdup
04-06-2010, 01:36 PM
Tetris 2.

EDIT:

thought I'd chuck a pic in there to show how modern it is in graphics, looks, artwork etc.

Tom Toonami Tunes
04-06-2010, 05:54 PM
Tetris 2.

EDIT:

thought I'd chuck a pic in there to show how modern it is in graphics, looks, artwork etc.

I remember the ad for that with the bird exploding. I think a fat guy also exploded but that might just be the Yoshi tv spot.

Vrykolas
04-07-2010, 02:55 AM
Mine would be Cross Edge (so much better than the critics gave it credit for) and Clive Barker's Jericho (which is utterly, utterly awful, but I love horror games, and enjoyed the story and characters, so...)

Hotspot
09-06-2010, 07:54 AM
Well I really enjoyed Kya Dark Lineage, but most people have never heard of the game before!

I also agree with Suikoden IV, I liked it unlike most people who didn't like it.

As well as Malice, Scaler, Sphinx & the Cursed Mummy and beyond Good & Evil.

Smarty
09-06-2010, 08:11 AM

Smarty
09-06-2010, 08:11 AM
Edit: Sorry for the double post, my browser was being weird...

ROKUSHO
09-06-2010, 09:25 AM
onechanbara bikini zombie slayers - wii.
seriously, whats not to love about a cute girl in a bikini with cowgirl boots and hat slashing the fuck out of undead humans?

sanjo900
09-08-2010, 08:33 AM

Boomon
11-24-2010, 08:07 AM
UNDERRATED, definitely:
-The Haunted Mansion-PS2, GC (movie-release game) (completely different from the terrible Eddie Murphy movie by the same name)
-Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy-PS2, XBOX, GC (extremely underated)
-Alter Echo-PS2 (very interesting ideas and fun to play)
-Dual Hearts-PS2 (came out at the same time as a very popular series with a similar sounding name, Kingdom Hearts, but this was still very fun)
-Mad Maestro-PS2 (pressure sensitive game about conducting music, very fun music game)
-Bloody Roar-the ENTIRE SERIES-multiple consoles(loved the series, but not very well loved by fighting game fans)
-Shadow Hearts-PS2(all 3 of them, especially the best one, Shadow Hearts: Covenant; if you like RPGs, you're doing yourself a disservice by not playing this game)
-Street Fighter EX3-PS2(i know it doesn't play like a Street Fighter should, but I really liked some of the ideas/characters they created in this series, like Area, Doctrine Dark, and Skullomania)
-Fatal Frame-Series-PS2 (the entire series is damned creepy; I'm surprised the 1st one only got a T rating in the states b/c it is arguably the scariest)
-Culcept-PS2, XB360 (fun card game that mixes classic CCG with Monopoly; odd sounding, but very addicting)
-Blood Will Tell-PS2 (based on Tezuka Osamu's story Dororo, this action game played well and had a good story)
-Chaos Legion-PS2 (Devil May Cry with summonable squads of legions; played well and had hard boss fights, IMO)
-Mister Mosquito-PS2 (funny and odd game about sucking peoples blood as a mosquito; hilarious and quite difficult)
-Stretch Panic-PS2 (odd arthouse game about a girl and her demon-handed scarf; basically 12 interesting boss fights)
-Tomba-PS1 (fun platformer)
-Mystical Ninja starring Goemon-N64 (i'm starting to wonder about this one; apparantly a lot more people liked this one then I'd originally known)
-Onimusha Blade Warriors-PS2 (party fighting game ala SSB, but with characters/settings from the Onimusha series; FUN, FUN, FUN)
-Rygar-PS2 (recently got a crappy Wii remake, but the original PS2 version is pretty epic)
-Yakuza-series-PS2, PS3 (underated b/c of unknown reasons, it is pretty much the same team that made Shenmue; fantastic story and brutal beatings)
-Samurai Shodown-series-many consoles (c'mon, any fan of 2d fighters should know this series, but many fighting game fans don't clamor over it like they should) (in my top 3 of favorites game series of all time)
-Brave Fencer Musashi-PS1 (amazing action RPG; many liked the game better than the reason they initially bought the game (FFVIII demo))
-Musashi Samurai Legend-PS2 (in the same vein as Brave Fencer Musashi, but with not so good results; still a decent action RPG, though)


I'd call these underrated if I could, but they get press attention, so they're not technically underrated:

-Beyond Good and Evil (Jade was just recently named one of 30 game characters who defined the 2000-2010 decade by Game Informer, and I totally agree)
-Darkstalkers-also known as Vampire Savior/Hunter-PS1(Morrigan and Felicia get plenty of appearances in Capcom's vs. titles, and the guy who did SF4 severely wants to do a Darkstalkers game in SF4 format (3d fighters on a 2.5d plane)
-Eternal Darkness-GC (in every Top 10 list for scariest/creepiest game list, and I totally agree)
-Golden Sun-series-GBA(underated just by Nintendo itself, not at all by its fans though)
-Dark Cloud/Dark Cloud 2 (aka Dark Chronicle)-PS2 (want to say their underated, but their actually what put Level 5 on the map)
-anything by Clover Studios (but Amaterasu and Viewtiful Joe get tons of press know that they're going to be in Marvel vs. Capcom 3)

ROKUSHO
11-24-2010, 08:35 AM
youre saying samurai spirits is underrated, and fatal frame too? what is wrong with you?

Crysta
11-24-2010, 08:46 PM
Oh gawd this game sucked so much. I could not stand this game. The story was lame and the music was horrible.

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like i said this game sucked so badly!

Jitan Toraibaru
11-24-2010, 10:02 PM
Ace Attorney {Whole damn series} and Blood for the PC. Some mighty fine gamin', right there! =P

topopoz
11-24-2010, 10:16 PM
Blood for the PC. Some mighty fine gamin', right there! =P

Talk about timing, I was talking about this game today...

Voodoo shit for tha zombie farmers xD

Jitan Toraibaru
11-24-2010, 10:45 PM
I fucking love that game...I'm doing a video LP of it on youtube. Yeah, I know, it's stupid but I've already done 2 chapters of the game...XD

Darth Revan
11-24-2010, 10:57 PM
Oh gawd this game sucked so much. I could not stand this game. The story was lame and the music was horrible.




like i said this game sucked so badly!

It was a ok game, nothing to stand out about though. The sequel, Legaia 2 Dual Saga:



was pretty good.

Crysta
11-24-2010, 11:19 PM
It was a ok game, nothing to stand out about though. The sequel, Legaia 2 Dual Saga:



was pretty good.

May try it one day...maybe

CC
11-25-2010, 01:33 AM
My answer, at this exact moment and time, would be 'Bram Stoker's Dracula' for SNES. Simple game by today's (and even it's day's) standards, but still holds a wealth of fun memories for me from childhood. That, and try playing it as a five year-old; it's kinda creepy!

ROKUSHO
11-25-2010, 08:11 AM
genesis version was superior, mainly because it wasnt censored.
yes, there were impaled people in those poles at the intro.
why the fuck would there be empty poles?

seither2k
02-09-2011, 02:48 AM
The Last Remnant. Holy shit, did reviewers crap all over it and give it terrible ratings, mostly because of slow-down issues. Meanwhile, a game like Fallout: New Vegas can have game crippling bugs and still receive perfect scores. Am I the only one that doesn't make sense to?

Jitan Toraibaru
02-09-2011, 03:22 PM
Another underrated Gem that's had a small gleam of press then little else - Anyone play Ghost Trick on the DS? Chances are you probably didn't...

Well, you really should - it is a solidly fantastic game! That is all. :P

Galdr
02-09-2011, 05:24 PM
Under-Rated:

Breath of Fire III and IV.
They're still my favorites regardless~

Not trying to be a newb, which I am a little bit technically, but I have no freaking idea what "under-hyped" means. XD I guess it's like "the game with least excitement"? Someone correct me if you will, and if you know, please. XD