In the beginning of the game, the two are relative equals as seen in the opening FMV to teh game... Each gave the other a scar.
At the end of Disk 1, Squall beats Seifer one-on-one.
However, every fight after this requires Squall getting assistance from two others to take down Seifer. (sure you can opt to do it Solo but the inherent "plot" idea is that Squal has two people helpign him)

Thoughts?

I honestly believe it depends on what is junctioned to Squall, but if you choose not to have anything junctioned, I believe Squall and Seifer are really about the same.

I would say Squall is stronger, Seifer was just hanging out with Edea, so i dont think he trained much after he left balamb, but nobody will ever know if he did?

Well, I'm pretty sure he did. He uses new Limit Breaks and stuff.

That is true, hmm...?

In the Brady Games guide, they say that the first time you face Seifer (in Deling) Seifer's physical attack is relatively weaker because he hasn't been "training."

The second time you fight him (Galbadia Garden), they say he has become considerably stronger.

I'm not sure about the last time you fight him. I think he's supposed to be pretty strong right?
After all, he does defeat the almighty Odin.

How does giglamesh come from odin's demise?


but I think seifer was a bit stronger,if I remember corectly it took 3 people and some GF power to knock em out.

How does giglamesh come from odin's demise?

Well, to start off, it's a wide misonception that Odin and Gilgamesh are related. They aren't as far as we know.

As for your question, look here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIUKzW5mMg

See that line in the air when Odin's sword flies off and right before the hand catches it? That is basically a tear in the dimension or fabric of existence/spacetime. Gilgamesh slips in through that tear, grabs the sword, then pwns Seifer. The "dimensional interval" arrives and transports him out after this.

Thats awesome...any reason known why he continued to help them?

thanks I know it off topic lol.

It's fine. And I don't think there is a reason why he helped them given in the game.

I honestly believe it depends on what is junctioned to Squall, but if you choose not to have anything junctioned, I believe Squall and Seifer are really about the same.

You're out of your fucking mind.

I'm not sure about the last time you fight him. I think he's supposed to be pretty strong right?
After all, he does defeat the almighty Odin.

I don't think he's all that strong, but that's just a matter of opinion.


You're out of your fucking mind.

Why's that?

Seifer FTW

I don't think he's all that strong, but that's just a matter of opinion.


Well, I'm not speaking in terms of "how hard he was to defeat."

Rather, in terms of "how strong he is from a storyline point-of-view."

Because, none of the bosses are particularly difficult from my own point of view. And that's because I'm playing a no-level up game.

However, in a storyline point of view, Seifer may have gotten stronger than he was at the story's beginning.

But, to answer the topic question, Seifer is obviously never stronger than Squall, because, from a storyline point of view, Squall always defeats Seifer (except at the very beginning I guess)

However, Seifer does get (from the same perspective) "strong" at the end of the game. His ability to survive Odin's Zantesusken proves it.

Well, I'm not speaking in terms of "how hard he was to defeat."

Rather, in terms of "how strong he is from a storyline point-of-view."

Because, none of the bosses are particularly difficult from my own point of view. And that's because I'm playing a no-level up game.

However, in a storyline point of view, Seifer may have gotten stronger than he was at the story's beginning.

But, to answer the topic question, Seifer is obviously never stronger than Squall, because, from a storyline point of view, Squall always defeats Seifer (except at the very beginning I guess)

Okay, storyliine point-of-view, I believe he's stronger than most of your characters, but not stronger than Squall otherwise everyone would have been really screwed when they faced Seifer.

I honestly think Squall is stronger than Seifer. I noticed as the game progresses, Squall does seem to become emotionally stronger than Seifer which winds up making Squall the winner in the end. I don't know if it's just me or not, but the reason Seifer boosts his ego at the expenses of others is because he seems to have a lower self esteem deep down inside. That's what make's him weaker than Squall.

Now Squall did also seem to have some self esteem issues going on, but he didn't boost his ego at the expense of others.

I've noticed that it all effects their battles too in the story. When Squall says "you're losing it Seifer". Then as the game progresses Seifer goes ballistic while letting his so called confidence eat him up inside XD. That's how I've analysed it anyway.

Squall cause of the leather

Seifer's ass FTW

:smrt: fix'd

Well, Squall never beats Seifer mono-e-mono except at the end of Disk 1. As explained, the official guide for FFVIII states Seifer wasn't training.


After this, in a storyline perspective, Squall needs 2 other people to fight Seifer.

From a psychological perspective, Squall did grow stronger than Seifer but that's mainly due to one had the luxury of growing mentally stronger.Squall was laying around falling in love.
Seifer? His head was being fucked around with by Ultimecia and he had to repeatedly fight the woman he apparently used to love.
I don't expect his mental state to improve under these conditions.

true true, but its not like we had a choice to face seifer without help, ultimatly i think the squall grows stronger as the the game unfolds but seifer gets weaker because he is being used as a "lapdog" in minor tasks. While Squall is doing alot extreme stuff and getting stronger with the help of his friends. Thats just wat i think.

hmmm i think squall if much stronger.cause he is the hero of final fantasy?

I think it all depends. In the begining Seifer was acting all tough and everything, but in the end it was Squall who ended up saving everyone's asses (along with 3 other plays etc, etc.) But basically everything everyone already mentioned is a pretty good answer :laugh:

They`re both weak until the end of the game.
Does it really matter which is weaker?

Laguna kicks both their pansy asses.

Laguna kicks both their pansy asses.

Agreed.
Laguna made that game.

they both were weak

Well, to start off, it's a wide misonception that Odin and Gilgamesh are related. They aren't as far as we know.


Holy Shit. It only occurred to me right now that when Gilgamesh says "You gave me the fourth one" he refers to Zantetsuken. The first eight years I thought he meant something like giving him his fourth incarnation or something. I'm sooo lame :-(

Wow, this thread was revived for all the wrong reasons...

Revived? If a thread is really dead why doesn't the person who has the authority to do so lock it?

It was nearly dead. Check the last post date. Plus, I wouldn't have been as negative if the comments posted hadn't been so stupid and pointless. None of them gave any real opinion, one was a stupid retard post, another was someone quoting it and agreeing with it. Phoenix Wright had something to say, but it wasn't anything particular. And yours was saying you were lame for not noticing something.

I suppose that a valid reason the revive is it?

And its up to the mods what they do. Not you. And im assuming it wouldnt need to be locked if it was just left alone.

It was nearly dead. Check the last post date. Plus, I wouldn't have been as negative if the comments posted hadn't been so stupid and pointless. None of them gave any real opinion, one was a stupid retard post, another was someone quoting it and agreeing with it. Phoenix Wright had something to say, but it wasn't anything particular. And yours was saying you were lame for not noticing something.

Great stuff :rolleyes:

:objection:

The thread hasn't been around long at all. And your hostility's not masked quite well enough for me to take it easily at all. For myself and for the person I quoted whose opinion you dismissed by calling their post retarded, I say 'Suck my big fat hairy Australian balls'. And yes that is a distinct lack of respect I'm showing.

Someone don't like it? Ban my ass, there are plenty of Final Fantasy forums out there where a person's opinion isn't dismissed so callously.

:rolleyes: Fuckwit...


I suppose that a valid reason the revive is it?

And its up to the mods what they do. Not you. And im assuming it wouldnt need to be locked if it was just left alone.

Ohhh Nice Edit. Too bad the original shows up in what I quoted...
Amazing what replacing two words and an emote can achieve in terms of how something comes across. Not good enough though. BTW part of that didn't even make sense. OUCH.

Laguna kicks both their pansy asses.


Agreed.
Laguna made that game.

You are a moron. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you say things like that.

And if there are other forums that don't point out idiocy, go join them. You wanker.

Also, I don't give two flying fucks what my edit says. It is it to the mods on what they decide to do about certain threads. Not you.

Like I said, although the thread isn't that old. The posts that brought it back to the top of the list were stupid.

You are a moron. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you say things like that.

And if there are other forums that don't point out idiocy, go join them. You wanker.

Also, I don't give two flying fucks what my edit says. It is it to the mods on what they decide to do about certain threads. Not you.

HAHAHA. You have nothing. And yes, I am a member of one such forums. I believe I stated that in the PM I just sent you.
I'm singling you out as you made it personal in my eyes. But half this damned forum follow each other's actions like dogs.

Grow the fuck up, this isn't the school yard from primary school.

You are a moron. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you say things like that.

And if there are other forums that don't point out idiocy, go join them. You wanker.

Also, I don't give two flying fucks what my edit says. It is it to the mods on what they decide to do about certain threads. Not you.

Like I said, although the thread isn't that old. The posts that brought it back to the top of the list were stupid.

I'd also like to point out how most everything spoken on these boards are not to be taken seriously. I can easily pull a few things out of your post history that shows how much of a moron you are.

HAHAHA. You have nothing. And yes, I am a member of one such forums. I believe I stated that in the PM I just sent you.
I'm singling you out as you made it personal in my eyes. But half this damned forum follow each other's actions like dogs.

Grow the fuck up, this isn't the school yard from primary school.


I have the fact that you agreed with a stupid fanboy comment. Whether or not you accept that is your call. If you don't like it here, then piss off. You said in your PM that the other forum you visit is slow. I don't care. Go join another.

If you look at what I originally posted, it wasn't hostile, nor was it personal. I just said that it was a set of pointless posts. I was then called on that, and here we are.

Edit@ Drakston

I will say the same to you. If you don't like it here. Then fuck off.

I have the fact that you agreed with a stupid fanboy comment. Whether or not you accept that is your call. If you don't like it here, then piss off. You said in your PM that the other forum you visit is slow. I don't care. Go join another.

If you look at what I originally posted, it wasn't hostile, nor was it personal. I just said that it was a set of pointless posts. I was then called on that, and here we are.

I hope you're not denying the negative connotations of words such as 'stupid' and 'retard' as well as 'moron'. If you're gonna take the higher road, you honestly have no right to talk like that.

And fanboy comment my ass, you must have been the Spam King to get 2K posts since a couple months ago.

Your post was hostile. It negatively described people's opinions. Fan boy opinions or no, they're still valid. And it was personal as you involved me directly through mention of my post, and linking it to a post better than half what I have seen here which you called retarded.

Oh yeah...

I have the fact that you agreed with a stupid fanboy comment. Whether or not you accept that is your call. If you don't like it here, then piss off. You said in your PM that the other forum you visit is slow. I don't care. Go join another.

If you look at what I originally posted, it wasn't hostile, nor was it personal. I just said that it was a set of pointless posts. I was then called on that, and here we are.

Edit@ Drakston

I will say the same to you. If you don't like it here. Then fuck off.


It's not that I don't like it here, I just don't like how contradictive you're being O:]. I mean, you yourself were just speaking about morons reviving threads, then why are you still posting in here?

It's not that I don't like it here, I just don't like how contradictive you're being O:]. I mean, you yourself were just speaking about morons reviving threads, then why are you still posting in here?

I think that should be fairly obvious.


Silver89...


Wow, this thread was revived for all the wrong reasons...

I fail to see the hostility in this post. And yes, this was the first one i posted, if you look. You will see that I was called on this. And that's when there was some hostility

None of them gave any real opinion, one was a stupid retard post, another was someone quoting it and agreeing with it. Phoenix Wright had something to say, but it wasn't anything particular. And yours was saying you were lame for not noticing something.

You were called on it, but did it warrant your further actions?
No. You went too far. But to be perfectly fair, I have turned you into a scapegoat. Looking around you actually seem to be one of the better ones here.

Whatever, it was still wrong. I must leave now to get ready for a course I'm doing. I'll be back around a few hours before this time in three days. If I'm banned, I'll be on MSN. Nothing I like better than a good tongue lashing. :D

It was nearly dead. Check the last post date. Plus, I wouldn't have been as negative if the comments posted hadn't been so stupid and pointless. None of them gave any real opinion, one was a stupid retard post, another was someone quoting it and agreeing with it. Phoenix Wright had something to say, but it wasn't anything particular. And yours was saying you were lame for not noticing something.

I did check the date. It was only a month. I've seen a thread (2005) that was left alone for 2 years and then it was revived (2007) for quite some time then abandoned and then again revived at some point at 2008. You got a point about the posts being pointless but taken in consideration that saying Seifer is stronger than Squall or vice versa, is equally pointless and not an actual opinion since there's nothing inside the game that can justify it. So all the irrelevant revival posts are just as valid.


And its up to the mods what they do. Not you.

That's what I think too. If the admins haven't decided to lock it then I believe I can post something - anything. I can't see why if locking it wasn't there intention some random guy comes and begins a crusade against revival of older posts. I have maybe less than 3 days that I've signed here and all I see is people saying this and that thread shouldn't be revived. Can you guys give me a break? I didn't sign here to start flamewars.

In all honesty, Cookie, there really was no reason to point out the thread being revived with a stupid comment.

My original post regarding the matter was just a passing comment. It said nothing of any post imparticular. I would have been happy to say nothing else. However....you see what happened next.

Jaja, but don't dwell on the comments of noobs. They don't matter, anyway. >.>

Actually, noobs matter a great deal. Especially when they decide to stay. This whole topic is retarded and I believe the game itself proved Squall can kick Seifer's ass, so there is really no point in dwelling on it.

I think I remember this thread, sort of.


Actually, noobs matter a great deal. Especially when they decide to stay. This whole topic is retarded and I believe the game itself proved Squall can kick Seifer's ass, so there is really no point in dwelling on it.
QFT