I usually hate these kinds of topics, but I seem to be mostly alone on this as far as I observe. To be fair though, I have not played 1-6, nor did I play 11 (I don't do MMOs). I reccommend you to read my whole post before replying, and anyone who thinks of tl;dring me can GTFO.

But I'll start by talking about the other games first.

I don't know where to get started on the FF7 fanpeople and how that game is way overrated, but from what I observed here I don't really need to since it seems that most of the shrine is with me on that. It's a decent game and all, I don't HATE it like a lot of you, but it's not even close to my favorite. Lame limit breaks compared to VIII, and in terms of gameplay, VIII has more interesting sidequests and secrets.

IX seems to be quite popular here and a favorite for a lot of shriners. I have trouble understanding why, and yes, I did read the "what makes this game so great" thread. Well, this is probably more of a matter of opinion than anything, but I liked Triple Triad a lot more than Tetra Master. To be honest I still haven't quite got Tetra Master completely understood, but I did read the rules, and who knows maybe I would like it more, but I love Triple Triad and the modding system and how some of the cards are hidden (were there any card-related QUESTS in IX? If there were I don't remember.)
This is also probably a little shallow, but IX had much more long encounter-filled areas (mostly caves) than needed, and VIII had a fair amount. Also, the cities in VIII were a LOT more attractive to me than in IX. In VIII you get Deling which is full of neon lights, and Esthar which is self-explanatory, and Dollet full of a lot of tacky stuff. Timber is a little "ehh"... but it's kinda supposed to be, but certain places in Timber, like it's pub, are among some of the best designed urban places I've seen in all the FF-games I played.
In IX we get Alexandria, Lindblum, Conde Petie... maybe they're just not made to look better seeing as VIII is more futuristing and stuff, but Lindblum looks like a little model doll-town and Alexandria seemed to be mostly one color... I dunno if they have the same animators, but it seems they got lazy while making IX.
Maybe the city graphics in VIII were purposely done better to look futuristic, but hell, even X and XII's worlds which have amazing graphics didn't have cities that were on par with VIII. The only city outside VIII I can recall which is on-par with it, is Midgar.

X, X-2 and XII... they were good in their own ways. I like the PS1 games a lot better, probably because of the worldmap system and the multiple discs. X was my first FF, and I loved it. Made me more interested in the PS1 games, considering everything I heard about them, and VIII was my second, and I could see why the PS1 games were so popular. X and VIII are my two favorites in terms of the Limit break system (just reminded me another thing I HATE about IX, rubbish limits for Trance, bleh...), because of the variety of ways to pull them off, AND ways to learn 'em. VIII was a tad-bit more creative with limits than X, which is kind of diappointing since X had room for seven and VIII for six, and VIII was still more creative.

And does anyone else agree that VIII had THE best summon system (by that I mean everything about GF's system including the abilities outside of summoning them and effects of junctioning them). Red Materia is just a command and its over, Eidolons are lame in their whole system where you need special quirks for almost EVERYONE, Aeons are... cool, but there's only 8 of them, Espers have no familiar characters (all the familiar ones were replaced by airships!) and they almost all look the same like big mechanical things with halos. Plus, who in their right mind would come across the idea to petrify themselves to make Zodiark useful? GFs were very well balanced, a good amount of them and a simple concept of using them and a kickass boost system.


On to the storyline... yes, we all know about FFVII's convoluted story with the million little secrets about it, but they can keep making it more and more mysterious, it will never beat the concept of the Laguna dream sequences. Nuff said. Plus the fact that the dream sequences have cool sneaky secrets themselves which merit awesome rewards!


And my favorite part, we all can agree that VIII has an awesome soundtrack. I can't think of a single song I hate on there, while on VII and IX I can, but VIII's are the most tempting to learn to play and the most... interesting. VII IX had some great tracks, but IX was kinda rushed and VII's soundtrack was kinda killed by the fanboys. Liberi Fatali > One Winged Angel.
Believe it or not, and you'll probably question my soundtrack judgement after this, but my favorite (maybe second or third actually) track on VIII is "Residents". I like weird tracks. Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec definitely falls under it, and all the variations of it. "A Sacrifice" is a Fithos variation that especially gives my goosebumps. :)
Then there's all the "Eyes on Me" variations, and all the "Ami" variations, and the legendary "Man With the Machine Gun" which has been remixed a lot, and of course the ultimate track, "The Castle". I LOVE THIS PIECE ON PIANO I CAN PLAY IT ALL DAY AND NEVER GET SICK OF IT. Uematsu was definitely at his peak when composing this game's soundtrack. And I can't forget the little bits of Liberi Fatali in some songs like Landing or Premonition. I could go on....

X and XII have great tracks too, but they also have many wastes of space like "Fog Sea".


But anyway... I'm done. Anyone agree/disagree with me on any of these points?

I disagree, I hated the GF system.

I believe you want this thread. (Thread 9566) It's okay if you necropost in that one, assuming you have something to say (like you do in this thread); it's one of those on-again, off-again deals.

VIII is my favorite. Some people think just because a majority doesn't like some things about it, then it's absolute, but I disagree. I believe everyone has their own opinions and are entitled to them. And my opinion on VII is that I thought it fucking sucked. Boring as shit. Moved too slow for my tastes and the characters were ridiculously small. So I really liked VIII as that the characters were more 'life-like' in that department. Plus, me and Squall had a lot in common back then and still kinda do. That's why he's my favorite character in the series.

Well ff VIII was my first rpg game, and thanks to this, i learn about the worl of every else calls mmorpg o rpg, im now a fan of this can of games, and well , about GF emmm. can i say, i like??? yes i like, because mi first 2 times i pst the game, i was playing just with the gfs and let players rigth back.. but after that a release, and i thnk about try to rise and fight with the squal and the others pjs true power or might power, and then was when i start to like really FF8, an then i played FFx-2, and FF11... i know i must play the other sagas but i have no time really, cause i have playing a OMMORPG games an well.. maybe i play in this week FF7 to know more about the great success of square..

Well ff VIII was my first rpg game, and thanks to this, i learn about the worl of every else calls mmorpg o rpg, im now a fan of this can of games, and well , about GF emmm. can i say, i like??? yes i like, because mi first 2 times i pst the game, i was playing just with the gfs and let players rigth back.. but after that a release, and i thnk about try to rise and fight with the squal and the others pjs true power or might power, and then was when i start to like really FF8, an then i played FFx-2, and FF11... i know i must play the other sagas but i have no time really, cause i have playing a OMMORPG games an well.. maybe i play in this week FF7 to know more about the great success of square..

lolwut

I'm gonna take it that your first language wasn't English?

That's a safe bet seeing as--if it is fact true--he's from Argentina.

Feel free to count me in these ranks, embarrassed though I am of it--way too often :o

I liked VIII as far as the storyline and characters go, but the Junction System was a no go. On top of that no matter what level you reached, random battle monsters would always be on the same level. Then with the Draw System you obtained magic instead of learning which became bothersome.

As far as your comparison of cities and such, they all seemed a bit bland to me. IX's towns and cities were interesting and nice to look at, even simple places such Dali had a vibe and environment about them. Plus the music fit so well with each area. VIII went with the futuristic look and everything more or less looked alike.

Don't get me wrong though, I enjoyed VIII, but I believe it would be fair to leave it as a good/great game and not the best ever. Every FF has its positives/negatives so it's better to say they are each good in their own way and not the best of them all.

I liked VIII as far as the storyline and characters go, but the Junction System was a no go. On top of that no matter what level you reached, random battle monsters would always be significantly weaker than you. Then with the Draw System you obtained magic instead of learning which became bothersome.

If you knew how to manipulate the Junction System, you could kill bosses in two physical attacks for the majority of the game. Note that I don't consider this a positive aspect of the game.


As far as your comparison of cities and such, they all seemed a bit bland to me. IX's towns and cities were interesting and nice to look at, even simple places such Dali had a vibe and environment about them. Plus the music fit so well with each area. VIII went with the futuristic look and everything more or less looked alike.

I pretty much agree with you here.


Don't get me wrong though, I enjoyed VIII, but I believe it would be fair to leave it as a good/great game and not the best ever. Every FF has its positives/negatives so it's better to say they are each good in their own way and not the best of them all.

This is a pretty fair assessment, although you probably tone down criticisms of the games' quality a little bit too much. I think it's fair to say that FFIX was better than FFVII and FFVIII and that VII and VIII had problems with their gameplay and plot. Beyond that, I found both of them enjoyable myself.

Also, take a look in the notable threads list at the top of the FFVIII forums. There's one specifically for discussing the quality of FFVIII that you're allowed to revive in order to discourage the cropping up of threads like this one.

VIII is in my top three. I liked VIII because of the storyline and the Junction system. Using magic to boost the attributes made my three main characters super strong. When I fought Seifer in Deling City, I absorbed all of his fire attacks (yes, I had a lot of fire magic). Pain, Aura, Ultima, and all the other high magics were my buddies.
The characters were cool, Seifer was my favorite character because he was a bastard. Squall I definitely liked for his "cold" attitude. I don't like his relationship with Rinoa though. I just can't see it lasting long. D:

If you knew how to manipulate the Junction System, you could kill bosses in two physical attacks for the majority of the game. Note that I don't consider this a positive aspect of the game.

I must have not known the system very well, my end game damage was 2000-3000.

I still have yet to hear a counter argument about the music...

I still have yet to hear a counter argument about the music...

The music was actually really good; just about everything else was really bad though.

I still have yet to hear a counter argument about the music...

There are quite a few people who dislike the Esthar bleep bleep tracks. I personally don't, I think they fit in the futuristic image they're trying to shape FFVIII.

I actually would defend the city designs in FFIX compared to those in VIII. They were obviously going for a different feel to the towns in IX to fit in with its medieval-style setting and plot, hence the illustrations were used instead of photo-realistic backgrounds like FFVIII which has a much more futuristic feel.

It's all to do with the tone of the game and I liked the town designs roughly equally in both.

I enjoyed FFVIII, however It's not my favorite. I liked the music, and the story was interesting, so I can understand why VIII would be someone's fave FF :D.

As for the GF system.... Well yes! I love it! It`s so interesting, I could spend days rushing through FFVIII junction menus just to find some new techniques or something.
Storyline. I love it too, it`s not some sick fanboyism, there were parts that could have been different. But it`s just perfect. Many say that Squall is some emo-git that only knows "...." but what makes it all even more interesting is exactly Squall`s changing throughout the game. At first he almost doesn`t talk, he doesn`t even show any friendliness. But later, when he suddenly falls in love, becomes a part of world savers, had to lead Balamb Garden through the wat with Galbadia. Even FFVII didn`t have such scenes like that war between gardens in FFVIII, or the famous Ragnarok part.
Cities.... *I`m staying silent for a moment*
They were marvelous! When I first saw Esthar I wasn`t able to forget it for a long while, and I still haven`t forgot it yet. Labs, gardens, cities they were trully unique, they were truly better than FFIXs but I cannot say if they were better than FFVIIs, FFVII had such places like the temple of the ancients, that church where Aerith was growing those yellow flowers, the mighty Midgar and of course Gold Saucer - I truly love that one!
Music is good too, even now I wish to listen to it. Maybe I should take my OST dics and put them on my dvd player or something... It sure brings back memories.

geez..just like ffviis aerith and tifa problems..
the author wants gamers, playing with their own fantasy....
so....it is up to u who u want to be cloud's....

same here on FFVIII
doesn't matter who is squalls father...some thinks is laguna,and some thinks squall is a product of genetic engineering...
okay okay...go with ur own fantasy ^^...

why they named it final fantasy? cos the final results is up to ur own fantasy...

I luv this game...and make it my 1st favorited game ever...

Everyone point and laugh at the moron.

*Points and laughs at haseox*

Ok, I usually don't jump on the "mean" bandwagon, but...

*points and laughs*

geez..just like ffviis aerith and tifa problems..
the author wants gamers, playing with their own fantasy....
so....it is up to u who u want to be cloud's....

same here on FFVIII
doesn't matter who is squalls father...some thinks is laguna,and some thinks squall is a product of genetic engineering...
okay okay...go with ur own fantasy ^^...

why they named it final fantasy? cos the final results is up to ur own fantasy...

I luv this game...and make it my 1st favorited game ever...

You prolly intented to post this in the other active FFVIII thread.

When you post it there, rewrite it and correct every single mistake you made.


*joins with Prak*

*points and laughs*

same here on FFVIII doesn't matter who is squalls father...some thinks is laguna,and some thinks squall is a product of genetic engineering...
okay okay...go with ur own fantasy ^^...

why they named it final fantasy? cos the final results is up to ur own fantasy...

I luv this game...and make it my 1st favorited game ever...

So I'm taking it your theory is that the orphanage where Squall grew up was a front for a genetical engineering lab.....?

I had to ask, I have a feeling your answer may be even funnier.

BTW

*Points and laughs*

geez..just like ffviis aerith and tifa problems..
the author wants gamers, playing with their own fantasy....
so....it is up to u who u want to be cloud's....

same here on FFVIII
doesn't matter who is squalls father...some thinks is laguna,and some thinks squall is a product of genetic engineering...
okay okay...go with ur own fantasy ^^...

why they named it final fantasy? cos the final results is up to ur own fantasy...

I luv this game...and make it my 1st favorited game ever...

I haven't seen something this ridiculous since the "Is the wolf Aeris??" thread in the AC forum.

*points and laughs*

No, sorry.

*points and laughs at the moron*

I am not going to point but will laugh at every single one of you besides Prak.

geez..just like ffviis aerith and tifa problems..
the author wants gamers, playing with their own fantasy....
so....it is up to u who u want to be cloud's....

same here on FFVIII
doesn't matter who is squalls father...some thinks is laguna,and some thinks squall is a product of genetic engineering...
okay okay...go with ur own fantasy ^^...

why they named it final fantasy? cos the final results is up to ur own fantasy...

I luv this game...and make it my 1st favorited game ever...


ROFL

I think we might have a nominee for the award "worst thing said about anything ever in the history of mankind"

Haha I think he has quite the imaginative mind really. Its quite a different take on Final Fantasy I must say.

Plus, me and Squall had a lot in common back then and still kinda do. That's why he's my favorite character in the series.


When I first played the game, I thought I was like Squall. Now days though, I'm like Laguna. I'm okay with that though.

The GF system was a good idea, especially in terms of junctioning. Since most monsters level up as Squall does, if you keep your levels low, you can end up fighting a weak Ultimecia with high stat levels from higher level magic.

I liked Triple Triad a lot too. When Pokemon was going out of style, I put numbers on the cards...

I think the cities were designed pretty well, but I would like to see a more lively city than one that looks good.

I liked the limit breaks in this game as well. Going back to the Junctioning, early in the game, if your level is low, but you have a good magic to equip to HP, then you can have 500 hp or so, with a maximum of 2000 or so. In this case, the 500 hp will be decent for living through battles, and you can keep your limit breaks active. I think I like working on limit breaks more than having them come with a weapon though.

The characters were all good, but I would have liked to see some "optional" or "secret" permanent characters. If there are any characters like that that I am not aware of, then just disregard what I said.

FFVIII is one of my favorites.
More than VII. Then again, that might be because I played VIII before VII....

I enjoyed playing the game
The gameplay was really good
The graphics was... eh.
But the storyline...
I mean your teacher being a childhood friend. C'mon!

I get how it happens in the story but Quistis is like 30 and Squall is 20

Just strange! But it was a good game!

Quistis isn't 30 dude. She's a year older than Squall.

I enjoyed FFVIII, however It's not my favorite. I liked the music, and the story was interesting, so I can understand why VIII would be someone's fave FF :D.

I'm going to have to retract this statement. After playing my all the way through to Disc 3 and accumulating all of the GFs and most of all of the Player Cards, I'd have to say that this possibly my fave PS1 FF title right below Final Fantasy VI. The only things that irked me were how the system would automatically remove junctions and what-not even though the player could normally use the "switch" command at the menu to do so if he/she felt the need to.

I'm going to have to retract this statement. After playing my all the way through to Disc 3 and accumulating all of the GFs and most of all of the Player Cards, I'd have to say that this possibly my fave PS1 FF title right below Final Fantasy VI. The only things that irked me were how the system would automatically remove junctions and what-not even though the player could normally use the "switch" command at the menu to do so if he/she felt the need to.

But the horribly broken battle system and the worst plot twist, oh...EVER don't at all bother you?

That's your opinion. Sorry.

That's your opinion. Sorry.

Seconded.

That's your opinion. Sorry.

You don't need to apologize because I'm right, dood. ;)


Seconded.

Because you can't come up with a thought on your own? Great job! :rolleyes:

And you're right because you can formulate your own opinion making it absolute? Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me as "fact". People can agree with you if they share the same opinion, but only an idiot will call it a fact just because a majority agrees. I like the battle system. A whole lot better than most turn-based games I've played. For me, it's the simplest and easiest to understand. Let alone more enjoyable. But that's just me and obviously you think otherwise.

i loved this game! my favorite in the ff series, but ff x is pretty close to the top too

Because you can't come up with a thought on your own? Great job! :rolleyes:

Nope, because I fully agreed with the statement and wanted to strengthen it with my back-up.

Now if you'll excuse me, I must post on myspace because your harshness hurted me :(

That's your opinion. Sorry.

I beat most of the bosses in a couple of physical attacks. My characters were so powerful that I had literally no chance of getting a game over without being a total dumbass, and that was with very little effort. At this point, it ceases to be a matter of opinion.

As for the plot twist, are you truly going to defend it? Do you not find it incredibly cheap and ridiculous that nearly all of the main characters just happened to be from the same orphanage?

Nope, because I fully agreed with the statement and wanted to strengthen it with my back-up.

Because if enough people parrot the same opinion, it's obviously right, right? :rolleyes:


And you're right because you can formulate your own opinion making it absolute?

That makes so little sense that I shouldn't even reply, but hey, I'm bored. I'm right because of the facts. Unlike some people (namely you), I can look at facts (like those in FFVIII, which I'll certainly get to), and say, "hey, FFVIII's gameplay is hideously broken."

Fact #1: Monsters in FFVIII level up with you. Therefore, if you junction intelligently (which isn't hard) and just don't level up (by running from random battles), you'll be ridiculously overpowered. Smart ability selection, Mug, and the Refine abilities ensure that you get every important ability and lots of the best spells to Junction. Running from random battles doesn't even hurt your cash flow, seeing as you're on a SeeD salary. Not that you actually need to buy much in this game to begin with.

Fact #2: Every time you use magic, some stat or another gets nerfed, thanks to the Junction system. This encourages Limit Break spamming, especially with Squall and Zell. With Aura Stones, which are easily available, Renzokukens and Armageddeon Fists can easily become your default attacks, especially in the later parts of the game. If massive amounts of damage isn't your cup of tea, you can just simply win the fight with "The End." This strategy also has the side effect of making Ultimecia's Castle kindergarten-easy. You only need to unlock your "Limit" and "Item" abilities before taking out Ultimecia.


Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me as "fact".

That would almost be a valid point, except for the fact that I didn't even bring up facts until you did. There's quite a bit of irony in that.


People can agree with you if they share the same opinion, but only an idiot will call it a fact just because a majority agrees.

Again, where did I come up with anything having anything at all to do with "a majority?" If anything, that should've been directed at Wei Yan, whose blindingly useful post was, and I quote (again), "Seconded." At any rate, after that first non-sentence in your post, you've no room to be calling anybody an "idiot."

Quistis isn't 30 dude. She's a year older than Squall.

really!
my bad :-(

wait a minute

how old is Squall then? he seems like 18 meaning that shes a bit young to be a teacher

The Japanese have a thing about making characters as unrealistically youthful as possible.

Because if enough people parrot the same opinion, it's obviously right, right? :rolleyes:

No, it isen't. However if multiple people parrot the same opinion it means the people around them will have to take that opinion in a higher regard than the opinion of a lone man shouting in a desert.

You do seem to make quite a big deal of people agreeing with other people.


how old is Squall then? he seems like 18 meaning that shes a bit young to be a teacher

Squall is 17, Quistis is 18. Quistis supposedly is hypertalented and already was a full-fledged SeeD when she was 15. Hence the fact that she managed to become a SeeD instructer while only being 18 years of age.

Squall is 17, Quistis is 18. Quistis supposedly is hypertalented and already was a full-fledged SeeD when she was 15. Hence the fact that she managed to become a SeeD instructer while only being 18 years of age.

oh god i'm so confused:-(

tnx for clearing that up for me
when i first saw her i was thinking around 30 but 18!


The Japanese have a thing about making characters as unrealistically youthful as possible.

Yeah i suppose thats true. If uve seen Laputa: Castle in the Sky that boy looks around 12ish but is actually around 20 I think so nyway

Squall is 17, Quistis is 18. Quistis supposedly is hypertalented and already was a full-fledged SeeD when she was 15. Hence the fact that she managed to become a SeeD instructer while only being 18 years of age.

oh god i'm so confused:-(

tnx for clearing that up for me
when i first saw her i was thinking around 30 but 18!


The Japanese have a thing about making characters as unrealistically youthful as possible.

Yeah i suppose thats true. If uve seen Laputa: Castle in the Sky that boy looks around 15ish but is actually around 20 I think so nyway

No.


I hated the lovey-dovey bullshit the game tried to force down my throat. The Junction system was weak and you couldn't use your most powerful magic and not have it affect your status. That was lame.

No, it isen't. However if multiple people parrot the same opinion it means the people around them will have to take that opinion in a higher regard than the opinion of a lone man shouting in a desert.

A few things. One, you evidently don't know what "parroting" is, or you're missing its connotation. Two, how does somebody's opinion suddenly carry more weight just because somebody else is parroting it? Applying this to the current "discussion," why should I suddenly have more regard for the folks who like the game (or at least their opinion) just because you "Seconded" a four-word post that didn't really say anything at all? Is your collective opinion supposed to suddenly slap me in the face and make me realize, "hey, all these people really like this game even though it's really bad by an objective point of view, so I should maybe stop saying it's bad?"


You do seem to make quite a big deal of people agreeing with other people.

Not at all. It's the herd mentality that you seem to possess that I have a problem with.


I hated the lovey-dovey bullshit the game tried to force down my throat. The Junction system was weak and you couldn't use your most powerful magic and not have it affect your status. That was lame.

MOAR POSTS PLZ.

CyanCyde, you are toxic; I love it. :D

I thought about giving the game another chance, after all, it's been years since I last tried it out.

A few things. One, you evidently don't know what "parroting" is, or you're missing its connotation.


Must be my lack of English skills. As far as I know a parrot is an ara like bird with the ability to imitate human voices. They are also known to be attracted to pirates.

So, judging from that knowledge I could probably state that parroting is mindlessly imitating, perhaps in hope of a conditionated reward, � la Pavlov. Even in Dutch we have a literal translation for it meaning exactly the same: 'Papegaaien'. So I do know, but or I was tired, or I was using it with a sarcastic undertone. Either way doesn't matter anymore.


Two, how does somebody's opinion suddenly carry more weight just because somebody else is parroting it? Applying this to the current "discussion," why should I suddenly have more regard for the folks who like the game (or at least their opinion) just because you "Seconded" a four-word post that didn't really say anything at all? Is your collective opinion supposed to suddenly slap me in the face and make me realize, "hey, all these people really like this game even though it's really bad by an objective point of view, so I should maybe stop saying it's bad?"

Because the opinion of a group is more important that of an individual. I already said that. Why? Well, being the American you are, with upcoming elections, you should know why.

An FF related example. Lots of people go OMG FFVII IS DA BEST. Other people hear this. They play FFVII and have a revelation. OMG FFVII IS DA BEST. Opinion is like a disease for weakminded people. More disease-carriers= gg.

You will catch our disease soon enough... Soon... *evil laugh*

Objective? State criteria and objective scientific ways to prove me it is bad. Bad itself is a word that implies opinion and therefor subjectivity.

While you're at it, prove me god exists.



Not at all. It's the herd mentality that you seem to possess that I have a problem with.

Herds look awfull to people that aren't in it. But I'm sure you feel quite comfortable in your FFIX herd. Every social psychologist that ever lived proved that mankind isen't designed to live alone or not be influenced by anyone else. We're simply not cut out to be complete individuals with original conceptions, views and opinions. It'd burn our harddrive. ^^

But given, if it'll comfort you, I'll never second someone again.

Must be my lack of English skills. As far as I know a parrot is an ara like bird with the ability to imitate human voices. They are also known to be attracted to pirates.

Parrots also like chutney, JFTR.


So, judging from that knowledge I could probably state that parroting is mindlessly imitating, perhaps in hope of a conditionated reward, � la Pavlov. Even in Dutch we have a literal translation for it meaning exactly the same: 'Papegaaien'. So I do know, but or I was tired, or I was using it with a sarcastic undertone. Either way doesn't matter anymore.

Yes, that's the correct connection.


Because the opinion of a group is more important that of an individual. I already said that. Why? Well, being the American you are, with upcoming elections, you should know why.

And look whom a large group of people put into the president's office for the past eight years. Your point is dead.


An FF related example. Lots of people go OMG FFVII IS DA BEST. Other people hear this. They play FFVII and have a revelation. OMG FFVII IS DA BEST. Opinion is like a disease for weakminded people. More disease-carriers= gg.

How does this prove that the statement has any validity? All you're saying is that dumbasses might be more inclined to believe something if more people are saying it.


You will catch our disease soon enough... Soon... *evil laugh*

I believe he, like I do, has the antibodies.


Objective? State criteria and objective scientific ways to prove me it is bad. Bad itself is a word that implies opinion and therefor subjectivity.

There is a level of subjectivity, yes, but it is not totally subjective. Furthermore, most of the people who say the game is very good say things like "It has an incredible story and it was awesome" and never really explain what was good about the story or what made it awesome. On the other hand, the game's critics point to flaws in the writing of the plot and in the gameplay. Don't you believe that people who give specific examples to support their opinions are more credible?


While you're at it, prove me god exists.

"Final Fantasy VIII is an overrated game" and "There exists a supreme being that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent" are not in the same ballpark. They're not in the same sport.



Herds look awfull to people that aren't in it. But I'm sure you feel quite comfortable in your FFIX herd. Every social psychologist that ever lived proved that mankind isen't designed to live alone or not be influenced by anyone else. We're simply not cut out to be complete individuals with original conceptions, views and opinions. It'd burn our harddrive. ^^

There is a difference between coming up with your own arguments to support the quality of a game and simply repeating what someone else said, or copping out with the "it's just a matter of opinion and there's absolutely nothing related to any kind of fact in its quality." Compare the criticisms of FFVIII with those of FFIX. Just try to tell me that "The game has numerous plot holes and a badly executed plot" and "It was too kiddy" carry the same level of weight in a discussion of a game's quality.


But given, if it'll comfort you, I'll never second someone again.

20 bucks says you will.

FF8 is and always will be my favourite^^ I liked the game alot ^^ and the story line even if it was all over the place sometimes lol..I didn't care much for the GF system though ._.

There's going to be someone who always says "Final Fantasy [Insert Roman Numeral here] is overrated". And why? [Insert various opinions here]. By the time Final Fantasy has its Twentieth Installment, all of the games will be "overrated" for whatever reasons/opinions.

Final Fantasy VIII definately had the best story.........
but I really hated the magic draw system, but I guess they made up for it with the junction system.

That was cool

Because the opinion of a group is more important that of an individual. I already said that. Why? Well, being the American you are, with upcoming elections, you should know why.

So the internet's suddenly a democracy? Funny, that's news to me. ZOMG VOTE FF8!11! SQUALL IS T3H R0XX0RZ!1! :rolleyes:


Objective? State criteria and objective scientific ways to prove me it is bad. Bad itself is a word that implies opinion and therefor subjectivity.

"Objective scientific ways?" Are you seriously that stupid? Since you need everything spelled out, here's a definition of "objective", courtesy of dictionary.com:


5. not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

Funny how that says nothing about scientifically proving anything about a game. I actually have facts to back what I say (go back a couple posts, you'll find a couple good ones); you've got an imaginary internet democracy going for you.


While you're at it, prove *interrupted by loud fart*


But I'm sure you feel quite comfortable in your FFIX herd.

Yeah, 'cause actually supporting my opinions with facts every now and again totally makes me a sheep. It's a very rare thing for me to hide behind somebody else's views, mine are strong enough; ask anybody who's been here for any extended period of time. I've never claimed to be completely individual or original or any of that "I'm special" horsecrap. Nor have I said a person can't or shouldn't be influenced by others (great strawman on your part, btw). If you want to get personal, I believe that the ability to reason as an individual is one of the greatest gifts we as humans possess. Abandoning that just to follow what a group of people say is a criminal waste.


But given, if it'll comfort you, I'll never second *interrupted by loud fart*


CyanCyde, you are toxic; I love it.

And here I thought I wasn't even really getting virulent yet. Oh well, I'll be here all week. ;)


I thought about giving the game another chance, after all, it's been years since I last tried it out.

Check out the Stand/Fall thread to see what my "another chance" did to my perception of the game, roffle.

i don't think anyone asked for essays on

"Prove that Final Fantasy VIII is the best FF game, showing you have though about the FF fans opinions"

And look whom a large group of people put into the president's office for the past eight years. Your point is dead.

I merely said that the opinion of a large group of people is more important, not necessairly correct or valid. In my humble opinion, being able to place a complete jackass into the single most powerfull position in the world, is pretty important. My point stands. ^^


How does this prove that the statement has any validity? All you're saying is that dumbasses might be more inclined to believe something if more people are saying it.

It doesn't. But it does state that more people generate more people when there's still a reserve of morons avaible. Given, it doesn't make much sense to me neither looking back on it. Must've had a huge lack of sleep.


I believe he, like I do, has the antibodies.

Damn shame there. :)



There is a level of subjectivity, yes, but it is not totally subjective. Furthermore, most of the people who say the game is very good say things like "It has an incredible story and it was awesome" and never really explain what was good about the story or what made it awesome. On the other hand, the game's critics point to flaws in the writing of the plot and in the gameplay. Don't you believe that people who give specific examples to support their opinions are more credible?

If I'm not mistaken the first post in this thread did that remarkebly well. I disagree with the plotholes in the FFVIII story. It might be inferior to the other FF stories, but it sure as hell beats the crap out of 90% other games that attempt to have stories.

As for gameplay. A game is just as easy as you make it for yourself. Nobody forces you to exploit the lvling. +I doubt most of you realised you could do it on your first playthrough. I know I didn't. Maybe I'm just retarded.



"Final Fantasy VIII is an overrated game" and "There exists a supreme being that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent" are not in the same ballpark. They're not in the same sport.

You forgot the league. Being an atheist, both are subjective to me, belief in god and belief that FFVIII is bad. But again, reading it now it doesn't make that much sense. Oh well.




There is a difference between coming up with your own arguments to support the quality of a game and simply repeating what someone else said, or copping out with the "it's just a matter of opinion and there's absolutely nothing related to any kind of fact in its quality." Compare the criticisms of FFVIII with those of FFIX. Just try to tell me that "The game has numerous plot holes and a badly executed plot" and "It was too kiddy" carry the same level of weight in a discussion of a game's quality.

I don't recall myself mentioning that FFIX is an inferior game to FFVIII.




20 bucks says you will.

Gief money now pls.


So the internet's suddenly a democracy? Funny, that's news to me. ZOMG VOTE FF8!11! SQUALL IS T3H R0XX0RZ!1!

Merely a place where lotsa people with lotsa opinions clash. Like here.


"Objective scientific ways?" Are you seriously that stupid?


Yes, I am. I don't think you can objectively judge a game. It's opinion.


I actually have facts to back what I say.




you've got an imaginary internet democracy

CC for president in Wei Yan intawebz land.


Yeah, 'cause actually supporting my opinions with facts every now and again totally makes me a sheep. It's a very rare thing for me to hide behind somebody else's views, mine are strong enough; ask anybody who's been here for any extended period of time. I've never claimed to be completely individual or original or any of that "I'm special" horsecrap. Nor have I said a person can't or shouldn't be influenced by others (great strawman on your part, btw). If you want to get personal, I believe that the ability to reason as an individual is one of the greatest gifts we as humans possess. Abandoning that just to follow what a group of people say is a criminal waste.

I merely copy your terms. I did not mean to suggest that you have the exact views of the average ZIDANE FTW BECUZ THE FUTBOLL PLAIER GIEVS HEDBUTTS LOL FFIX fan. (That's a euro joke, unless you're a bit into soccer :))

I agree, but it's my opinion that that individual reasoning is only meant for the individual to decided which he groups he wants to be part of, and how much he wants to comform to the group's values and norms. But that's a discussion I'll gladly have with you somewhere else.


Oh, and btw.

http://www.axcan.com/images/lacteol-packets.gif

That should help against those farts :p



I don't think anyone asked for essays on

"Prove that Final Fantasy VIII is the best FF game, showing you have though about the FF fans opinions"

Had computer trouble so I haven't been keeping up. I barely remember why any of this started to be honest (and I haven't slept a wink yet). But from what I've seen, it seems that everyone is debating whether FFVIII is a 'good' or a 'bad' game. Like said before, everyone has a different opinion of every game (or something like that). Some will think it's horrid while others think its the best thing since Game Boy. Honestly, who cares what others think? The topic starter wanted to know who else favours FFVIII above the rest and some jackass decides to come in and say, "Sorry, but the game you think is great is actually shit! And here's my reasons why [blah blah blah]". I'm actually amazed at how...(lost train of thought because of a phone call >_<). You know what, I'm going to bed.

Night...er, morning?

FFVIII was my first FF game and although its a treat I'd have to go for FFX for my favourite...

FFVIII was my first FF game and although its a treat I'd have to go for FFX for my favourite...

if i hadn't actually played ffviii before ffx, then ffx would've probably been my favortie.

Final Fantasy VIII is a top notch game altogether but I wasn't really happy how the plot only really came into place on Disc 3 unlike pretty much all the other Final Fantasy games which start with the plot and develop over a series of events.

I can't be completely negative though, I absolutely adored the Junction System. Overall it is a really good game.

I merely said that the opinion of a large group of people is more important, not necessairly correct or valid. In my humble opinion, being able to place a complete jackass into the single most powerfull position in the world, is pretty important. My point stands. ^^

Only if your point is that the popularity of the game is important, even if the people who think it's good just think so because they're idiots.


It doesn't. But it does state that more people generate more people when there's still a reserve of morons avaible. Given, it doesn't make much sense to me neither looking back on it. Must've had a huge lack of sleep.

You obviously have too much of a life to post here. GTFO.


If I'm not mistaken the first post in this thread did that remarkebly well. I disagree with the plotholes in the FFVIII story. It might be inferior to the other FF stories, but it sure as hell beats the crap out of 90% other games that attempt to have stories.

Squall's stereotypical emo attitude and the whole "zomg we're from the same orphanage but we forgot about it oh wait that's stupid and doesn't make sense oh yeah GFs screw up our memory" twist are both examples of bad writing in the storyline.


As for gameplay. A game is just as easy as you make it for yourself. Nobody forces you to exploit the lvling. +I doubt most of you realised you could do it on your first playthrough. I know I didn't. Maybe I'm just retarded.

Go play Battletoads for the NES and tell me a game is just as easy as the player makes it.


You forgot the league. Being an atheist, both are subjective to me, belief in god and belief that FFVIII is bad. But again, reading it now it doesn't make that much sense. Oh well.

Belief in God wouldn't be subjective at all if God appeared one day and went "hay guys ud better not keep sinning or i pwnx0rz joo lol." The reason it's subjective is that the existence of such a being is impossible to prove or disprove with our limited understanding of the universe, so we are simply left to guess based on what we've seen. The quality of a video game, on the other hand, is subjective because the level of enjoyment is entirely subjective, even if aspects such as the quality of the writing and the functionality of the gameplay are not completely subjective.


I don't recall myself mentioning that FFIX is an inferior game to FFVIII.

I was simply stating why the proponents of FFIX, reffered to by you as the "FFIX camp" to which CyanCyde belongs, have far more substance to their defense of the game than do the proponents of FFVIII.


Gief money now pls.

You have to die, otherwise I won't be disproven.


Yes, I am. I don't think you can objectively judge a game. It's opinion.

Not with total objectivity, but you can definitely make factual arguments as to the quality of the writing of the storyline and the gameplay.



I merely copy your terms. I did not mean to suggest that you have the exact views of the average ZIDANE FTW BECUZ THE FUTBOLL PLAIER GIEVS HEDBUTTS LOL FFIX fan. (That's a euro joke, unless you're a bit into soccer :))

Even Americans know about Zinedine Zidane.


I agree, but it's my opinion that that individual reasoning is only meant for the individual to decided which he groups he wants to be part of, and how much he wants to comform to the group's values and norms. But that's a discussion I'll gladly have with you somewhere else.

I don't think it's really thought of as conforming in this case, because he isn't deciding to do it BECAUSE other people are doing it. Picking and choosing things you agree with out of all the different point of views is the polar opposite of conformity (making choices just to be different, on the other hand, is a different kind of conformity).

FF8 would be my favorite if it had a different ability system. The drawing and junctioning is my least favorite system of all the FFs. ;-;
But it had a great story and the best score of them all.

i liekd the gf system and rhe magic contrlaing your stats system it made the game more about stertagie than about blind beating thigns up plus haveing to build your own weapons were fun i liked all fo that

FF1, why are you bothering? Wei Yan's proven himself to be a total cunt by totally ignoring any semblance of a point, opting for ebaumsworld pics instead. :rolleyes:

FF1, why are you bothering? Wei Yan's proven himself to be a total cunt by totally ignoring any semblance of a point, opting for ebaumsworld pics instead. :rolleyes:

Because smearing noobs through inoffensive language is fun. I am quite impressed at your use of "reductio ad flatulum," by the way.

Wei surrenders. :(

Since CyanCide doesn't seem to enjoy the discussion as much as I do. :p

(Oh, calling me stupid ain't much of a point, thus rewarded with a silly pic.)^^

I am quite impressed at your use of "reductio ad flatulum," by the way.

Thankies. I learned from the best. :D


Since CyanCide doesn't seem to enjoy the discussion as much as I do.

Nope. Just internet probs. And it's CyanCyde. Is every noob on FFS freaking illiterate?


(Oh, calling me stupid ain't much of a point, thus rewarded with a silly pic.)^^

Thought you surrendered? Wanker.

You do realize that just arguing here is pointless. No one really cares what anyone has to say regarding opinion.

Live and learn I guess.

Um, wow, how did I miss this for so long? Erm... FFVIII. Not my favorite FF, not by a longshot. But it has a special place in the series for me, for several reasons.

geez..just like ffviis aerith and tifa problems..
the author wants gamers, playing with their own fantasy....
so....it is up to u who u want to be cloud's....

same here on FFVIII
doesn't matter who is squalls father...some thinks is laguna,and some thinks squall is a product of genetic engineering...
okay okay...go with ur own fantasy ^^...

why they named it final fantasy? cos the final results is up to ur own fantasy...

I luv this game...and make it my 1st favorited game ever...

It was named Final fantasy out of black humor because Square thought it will be the last of their products since things didn't look good for them before the first FF came out.

It's true that authors sometimes cling to ambiguous interpretation to personalize some aspects and concepts for wider audience, but I think you gave bad examples.

(It's my favorite game as well.)

lol Cyan got serious over the interwebs on a topic pertaining to opinions about FFVIII :rolleyes:

Loosen up, sir, it was pretty obvious Wei Yan was mucking about from the get go.

lol Cyan got serious over the interwebs on a topic pertaining to opinions about FFVIII :rolleyes:

Loosen up, sir, it was pretty obvious Wei Yan was mucking about from the get go.

You call that serious? :rolleyes:

Sure looks like it from many angles, if not all.

FFVIII is one of the best video game ever made.

If not THE best.

FFVIII is one of the best video game ever made.


If not THE best.

Neither of you have played many games then. At all.

I think post 77 and 78 of this thread should be tossed into an abyss. Absolutely pointless revival.

I was thinking maybe we could get some lulz making fun of them?

All we need now is MarvinStraight to post here with a giant pic of Nelson saying "HAW HAW"

I think post 79 should too for utter shallowness.

Well, I think you're a cunt, so I suppose that makes it even?

VIII is vastly mediocre.

VIII IS SUPERIOR!

VIII is Godly. I don't think I need to stress that.

Well, I think you're a cunt, so I suppose that makes it even?

If you're the first one to have to resort to that over something like this, then I'm not exactly sure what that makes you, but okay.

Instead of attacking you back I'll simply say that if you were to see anything I say elsewhere or knew anything about me, you probably wouldn't think that.

Whatever you say...

man

this is not the way that thread necromancy is supposed to be~