I believe this has been touched upon several times in the past, but never a topic made for this. I have watched through all of this several times, and while many of you may disagree with his overall slant towards the game, you have to say that his points are well presented and well demonstrated. What drove me to post this here though is the overall hilarity of the commentary he makes throughout the review so here goes.

[Part 1] (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1njLpZDfUCQ)
[Part 2] (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CiToL55zwRI)
[Part 3] (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cwyb8_s63Sw)
[Part 4] (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QcWsS3WLcTk)
[Part 5] (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oOhnG9kLkF8)
[Part 7] (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr3DeuoXnQ8) (Part 6 is actually about FF7)

So yeah, enjoy your endless hours of stocking up magic and playing a stupid collectibe card game that cheats, cocksuckers! :P

Ah yes, seen this a million times. It never gets old. What I love most is that the fankids are posting butthurt comments and FLAGGING the video because it discredits FFVIII.

Triple Triad, ftw.

You can put the cursor on memory. Drawing is pretty much automatic.

I'm not going to sit here and defend every point, becuase no one cares :p And because some just can't be defended :(

You can put the cursor on memory. Drawing is pretty much automatic.

You still have to sit through the animations of the drawing ability. 15 times if you're lucky, 34 times if you're not. :P

I usually put on movies :p

You still have to sit through the animations of the drawing ability. 15 times if you're lucky, 34 times if you're not. :P

This is actually not the case; you can draw 9 every time if you simply increase your magic stat, which can easily be accomplished by junctioning triple or death or quake or anything like that to it. Death and quake are easy enough to obtain through items and modification, as are most of the spells that are worth getting anyway. If you know what you're doing, the draw system is not in the least bit irritating; rather, it makes the game WAY THE FUCK TOO EASY.

Edit: Ah, I see. He's talking about the draw system from a first-playthrough perspective, which is entirely different. The first time through, you don't know enough to realize that all spells under the level of Firaga are a complete waste of time; I remember the days when I thought it was cool that I could draw Fira from an enemy, so I spent 15 minutes drawing it only to find out that it didn't do shit for my stats. Either way you look at it, though, the draw system is retarded, since you either waste time drawing useless magic, or you know how the system works and beat all of the bosses in two physical attacks.

The draw system doesn't make the game too easy; rather the junction system does.

I have no problem in principle with drawing magic out of enemies, although getting 100 of something at once could be a grind. But I actually liked the idea. I just think junctioning had way too big an influence on your stats.

Anyway the links in op? Two minutes through part one and feel compelled to object to your usage of the word "review" when "moan" seems more accurate.

Jesus if this goes on another thirty seconds I might dismiss your entire argument as period-induced and spare myself 60 minutes (6 parts, ten minutes each?) of verbal dribbling. I can go to the shop instead. That would be a hell more enlightening.

Anyway the links in op? Two minutes through part one and feel compelled to object to your usage of the word "review" when "moan" seems more accurate.

Jesus if this goes on another thirty seconds I might dismiss your entire argument as period-induced and spare myself 60 minutes (6 parts, ten minutes each?) of verbal dribbling. I can go to the shop instead. That would be a hell more enlightening.

Or you can present your counter-arguments in a concise and intelligent manner and spare yourself the embarassment of being seen as just another of those fan fuckwit troglodytes.

I don't have anyroom to call someone fanboy (as I clearly am), but that gentleman clearly missed the fact that the nature of the review is the point of the review.

I can find all the humor in the review, even if I can argue against some of the smaller complaints. But even those are fun to watch him rant about.

Or you can present your counter-arguments in a concise and intelligent manner and spare yourself the embarassment of being seen as just another of those fan fuckwit troglodytes.

Counter-arguments to what, a rant? That video is nothing short of a waste of time, and I'm not going to further waste time by treating it seriously.

Don't get me wrong, I don't quite like VIII. Played it once. Tried to replay it but was too bored to even continue. I could go on at length intelligently discussing the defective points of the game, and I wouldn't have to default myself to calling it gay in varying vocal pitches.

I don't have anyroom to call someone fanboy (as I clearly am), but that gentleman clearly missed the fact that the nature of the review is the point of the review.

I can find all the humor in the review, even if I can argue against some of the smaller complaints. But even those are fun to watch him rant about.
Personally I don't think a poorly written review makes for a good review.
As for the humour, nothing close to home.

Counter-arguments to what, a rant? That video is nothing short of a waste of time, and I'm not going to further waste time by treating it seriously.

You seem to be taking it way too seriously by your stick-in-arse attitude to how it presents itself. Read between the lines. Also, discussing about it discredits your statement doubly.


Don't get me wrong, I don't quite like VIII. Played it once. Tried to replay it but was too bored to even continue. I could go on at length intelligently discussing the defective points of the game, and I wouldn't have to default myself to calling it gay in varying vocal pitches.

Oh please, I am not born yesterday. I can spot an apologist spiel a mile away and this is no exception.


Personally I don't think a poorly written review makes for a good review.
As for the humour, nothing close to home.

Explain your points then. In what aspects does it fall short on humour and critic-wise? I mean, come on, you really are trying to make it look as if you are just dismissing the review just because it casts a negative light on FF8.

Personally I don't think a poorly written review makes for a good review.
As for the humour, nothing close to home.

I appreciate emo humor (hey, I can be self-depricating), but if this doesn't float your boat, I'm not about to argue that you should like the video.

I just want you to be aware that there are people who find enjoyment in it for what it was intended to be, both on the entertainment level, and the critical level.

You seem to be taking it way too seriously by your stick-in-arse attitude to how it presents itself. Read between the lines.
Woah step back and chill for half a second. Why the hernia? Can't stand the fact that someone somewhere disagrees with you?

I've read the lines, read between them, noted their width colour and vector, contemplated the metaphysics, correlated them against historical value and popular culture theories, and journeyed to the great mountain on a spiritual quest to beg the High Gods for true meaning behind game reviews, and have concluded that this video is shit.


Oh please, I am not born yesterday. I can spot an apologist spiel a mile away and this is no exception.
Then perhaps you were in fact born yesterday.

Knegative, sure thanks. At least you're being civil.
On the flip side of your post those who enjoy the video should realise that there exists folks who don't think it it at all entertaining and not in the brightest sense critical. And hopefully there won't be a holy war over the whole thread.

EDIT

Explain your points then. In what aspects does it fall short on humour and critic-wise? I mean, come on, you really are trying to make it look as if you are just dismissing the review just because it casts a negative light on FF8.
I won't explain at length, just bullet points for now:

poor character definition (esp. mid to late game)
poor character development, if any.
poor character motivation (ie when characters propel the player to keep playing)
poor plot motivation (ie when the plot propels etc etc)
poor plot.
poor battle system (draw/junction system left me feeling reluctant about using magic in battles)
utterly stupid gaming decisions (no towns on disk 4, repetitive battle sequences you must actively watch each time unless you want to do only ~50% of potential damage)

Just off the top of my head.

Woah step back and chill for half a second. Why the hernia? Can't stand the fact that someone somewhere disagrees with you?

Nope. Make a baseless assertion and you will be called on to it.


I've read the lines, read between them, noted their width colour and vector, contemplated the metaphysics, correlated them against historical value and popular culture theories, and journeyed to the great mountain on a spiritual quest to beg the High Gods for true meaning behind game reviews, and have concluded that this video is shit.

In other words, you got nothing.


Then perhaps you were in fact born yesterday.

Meaningless conjecture.


On the flip side of your post those who enjoy the video should realise that there exists folks who don't think it it at all entertaining and not in the brightest sense critical. And hopefully there won't be a holy war over the whole thread.

Then they should damn well know that they should present their counter-case instead of repeatedly asserting, in a true troglodyte fashion, their opinion in a hamfisted attempt to make their side sound legitimate.

Knegative managed to bring up a good point in the game's defense. You however did not, and that is why you are being called on to it. You say that it is unentertaining when you cannot explain why, you say that it's critical points fall flat, but you fail to explain that as well. Your words here make an exact same fingerprint as to what an FF8 fan tard would do given this situation, especially the apologetic spiel.


I won't explain at length, just bullet points for now:

poor character definition (esp. mid to late game)
poor character development, if any.
poor character motivation (ie when characters propel the player to keep playing)
poor plot motivation (ie when the plot propels etc etc)
poor plot.
poor battle system (draw/junction system left me feeling reluctant about using magic in battles)
utterly stupid gaming decisions (no towns on disk 4, repetitive battle sequences you must actively watch each time unless you want to do only ~50% of potential damage)

Just off the top of my head.

Uhh yeah, those are all touched upon in the videos. So you are now agreeing to what the video is saying? Make up your mind.

Dude you're talking shite.

Nope. Make a baseless assertion and you will be called on to it.
A baseless assertion you say? The matter was of opinion regardless of everything else. In fact, I don't recall seeing you putting a base to your assertion that the video is anyway good in the first place.

If you want to act like a polemical knobend follow the first rule of onus; since you made the first command of opinion you must explain why the video is good. I certainly hope you don't do this and begin to realise how you've been acting of late.


In other words, you got nothing.
Did you not read of my spiritual journey and metaphysical undertakings.


Meaningless conjecture.
A reciprocation of your part then.


Then they should damn well know that they should present their counter-case instead of repeatedly asserting, in a true troglodyte fashion, their opinion in a hamfisted attempt to make their side sound legitimate.
See your problem is you think people have to do things. I did say what I thought of the video earlier on in the thread, and I did indicate why this is so. I also told you specifically how little I thought of the video, so let this be the end of it.


Knegative managed to bring up a good point in the game's defense. You however did not, and that is why you are being called on to it. You say that it is unentertaining when you cannot explain why, you say that it's critical points fall flat, but you fail to explain that as well. Your words here make an exact same fingerprint as to what an FF8 fan tard would do given this situation, especially the apologetic spiel.
God you grow more insufferable...

You must have read the parts where I say that I don't quite like the game, because you quoted and addressed it, yes? Same to where I outline my problems with the game, including it's falling-flat critical points and lack of entertainment. Considering you seem to be reading my posts, try to remember them.

I'm not trying to defend FF8. Nor was originally trying to diss it (until I met your request for such). Your incessant labeling of me as a fan tard should discontinue, seeing as it was first spurred by your comment along the lines of, "that sounds like something a fantard would say." Ditto re: apologetic spiel.




Uhh yeah, those are all touched upon in the videos. So you are now agreeing to what the video is saying? Make up your mind.
I agree that the game isn't good. I am also saying that the review isn't good, as it presents itself as a pathetic squabble. The two positions aren't contradictory.

Dude you're talking shite.

A baseless assertion you say? The matter was of opinion regardless of everything else. In fact, I don't recall seeing you putting a base to your assertion that the video is anyway good in the first place.

If you want to act like a polemical knobend follow the first rule of onus; since you made the first command of opinion you must explain why the video is good. I certainly hope you don't do this and begin to realise how you've been acting of late.

Oh god, do I really have to spell it out to you? Unlike the traditional style of reviewing (Which is in text format) which leaves too much room for the author to hamfist their bias into it, or even the AVGN-style of reviewing which leaves too much room for retards like Armake to stuff an otherwise vapid and vacuous review with profanities, Spoony allows the game itself to present its flaws on its own, with his commentary serving to direct attention to the points.

Sure it has its slants...actually no, the review started off quite neutrally, then started to slant deep into the negative as more fuckups start to show itself. It actually took a lot more than 2 minutes before it got to the "moaning" you described. Which lead me to question if you have actually watched the damn thing in earnest.

The silly humour you seem to have an aversion for is actually a very refreshing change to the stiff or vulgar style of most other reviews I have seen with the reviewers sounding like someone put cornstarch in their pants.


See your problem is you think people have to do things. I did say what I thought of the video earlier on in the thread, and I did indicate why this is so. I also told you specifically how little I thought of the video, so let this be the end of it.

Actually I don't. I mean, if you want to look like a spazzing retard, be my guest. I am actually trying to help you and steer you away from that road, but eh...can't have everything.



God you grow more insufferable...

You must have read the parts where I say that I don't quite like the game, because you quoted and addressed it, yes? Same to where I outline my problems with the game, including it's falling-flat critical points and lack of entertainment. Considering you seem to be reading my posts, try to remember them.

I'm not trying to defend FF8. Nor was originally trying to diss it (until I met your request for such). Your incessant labeling of me as a fan tard should discontinue, seeing as it was first spurred by your comment along the lines of, "that sounds like something a fantard would say." Ditto re: apologetic spiel.

You are still not fooling me. Make up your mind and stick with it.


I agree that the game isn't good. I am also saying that the review isn't good, as it presents itself as a pathetic squabble. The two positions aren't contradictory.

True that they aren't contradictory, that does not mean that both positions are equally valid. You have explained/regurgitated from the video why the game isn't good, but not how you think it presents itself as how you described it.

He is being completely subjective... It's supposed to be a review not a bitch-fest. As far as calling the main characters gay, lol. But the reason they are fighting so intensely is, they are rivals (borderline enemies). And as far as the excessive drawing, it was not mandatory, your skills got you more of the spells than drawing ever could. The animations were so long because the first skill you'll, learn at least if you were me, is boost those long animations serve the purpose of beefing up your attack. And the whole rant on the gun-blade, it's not so ridiculous, there have been many guns whose secondary attack was a blade, and it's not just the bayonet.That's all I remember.



EDIT: Triple Triad is perhaps the best FF mini-game.

Oh god, do I really have to spell it out to you? Unlike the traditional style of reviewing (Which is in text format) which leaves too much room for the author to hamfist their bias into it, or even the AVGN-style of reviewing which leaves too much room for retards like Armake to stuff an otherwise vapid and vacuous review with profanities, Spoony allows the game itself to present its flaws on its own, with his commentary serving to direct attention to the points.

Sure it has its slants...actually no, the review started off quite neutrally, then started to slant deep into the negative as more fuckups start to show itself. It actually took a lot more than 2 minutes before it got to the "moaning" you described. Which lead me to question if you have actually watched the damn thing in earnest.

The silly humour you seem to have an aversion for is actually a very refreshing change to the stiff or vulgar style of most other reviews I have seen with the reviewers sounding like someone put cornstarch in their pants.
.........

I don't give a shit. Already told you that.
And for what it matters your analysis of the video is wrong.
But then again, I don't give a shit.


Actually I don't. I mean, if you want to look like a spazzing retard, be my guest. I am actually trying to help you and steer you away from that road, but eh...can't have everything.

You are still not fooling me. Make up your mind and stick with it.
Very good.


True that they aren't contradictory, that does not mean that both positions are equally valid. You have explained/regurgitated from the video why the game isn't good, but not how you think it presents itself as how you described it.
I started with the presumption that you viewed the video as well but the more you talk about it the less I believe this presumption. To pinpoint the exact location the video became a rant, 32 seconds. Then it's a downhill tumble to shitsville, unless you forget the part where he translates the Latin chorus as "real gay gay gay gay gay glory hole" etc , in which case you're probably ignoring the phrase "unresolved homosexual issues by sissy fighting with two of the stupidest weapons in history" too. On second thought I can see why you enjoyed this video.

Joan, I think the point that Tsukanda is trying to make is that a good review generally attempts to show both the good and the bad points of a game, whereas a rant has a clear tendency to focus simply on the bad. For example, a truly neutral review would note FFVIII's excellent music and reasonable card game, as well as the good (for its time) graphics, including the fact that every NPC in the game was individually designed, rather than the base copies used repeatedly in subsequent (and previous) FF games.

Incidentally, I didn't watch the videos, so I don't know for sure if the videos actually mention any of that stuff, but I gather from the way this discussion is going that they didn't. Actually, if someone could outline the main points put forward here, on both sides, that'd be good.

I should add that I am as enthusiastic a critic of FFVIII as any you will find around here, and you need only look through my post history to ascertain that.

Thank you. I agree, the music and FMV were fantastic for it's time, the end cutscene being one of the visual bests I've seen in any game of that era. However all Spooner can say is how gay it is. ok...

I can't outline the points put forward in the video because I couldn't watch it past two minutes.

Actually, if someone could outline the main points put forward here, on both sides, that'd be good.
If you mean in the videos then from what I remember (it's been a while since I watched them), his main points are that the character designs suck, the story sucks, the draw system sucks and there are a lot of bullshit rules associated with Triple Triad that make it more frustrating then it is fun.

I wish Spoony would get back to this series already. All the MST3K-esk stuff he's been doing lately is becoming kind of trying.

Yes, I did mean in the videos. Does he actually mention anything positive, or is it just, as I suspect, a rant?

rant-tastic, he over hypes the "faults", and marginalizes the pros.

He occasionally mentions good things in a 'I have to at least mention a few of these to cut back on the angry emails I'll receive" sort of way. In fact, I'm pretty sure he started the series by basically saying "I don't think FFVIII is a bad game, but it has a whole load of really dumb flaws". Predominantly it's just him laying into absolutely everything though. Which is funny.

To me it seems like he played less than a fourth of the game and thought that fraction warranted a review.

Its not that serious.....

Its just one cats take on said title.

While I think this guy has a habit of going over the top with some of the stuff he says, he also does make some good points. Though overall, I don't think his reviews are as reliable as they could be, they do have their moments and imo are pretty hilarious lol.

Its not that serious.....

Its just one cats take on said title.

Nobody is taking him seriously, I just think if it's a review I shouldn't be berated with opinions.

Nobody is taking him seriously, I just think if it's a review I shouldn't be berated with opinions.

People have had his videos flagged and have posted some outrageous comments....

I wonder what his most favorite/perfect game is however. Further, i'd like to know what some of the more "lofty" shriners favorite games are.

Oh, but I meant nobody here at least not me. I've seen this before I had a nice laugh I especially like how Zell makes the Perfect mentos commercial. The guys doing this for laughs nothing more, nothing less.

The guys doing this for laughs nothing more, nothing less.
I hope so but if there are seven ten minute long videos continuing on the trend, maybe he's passionate about it...

You do know he bitches about the bad points of FFVIII for the purpose of entertainment? don't you?

Yes. I'm also aware how little it entertains me. It's of equal quality to watching a fly bump into a wall.

Either you didn't get half of the jokes, or you just don't have a good sense of humour.

There's not much to get from calling something gay over and over. Fortunately I grew out of thinking that was funny years ago, and since then yes it's been a downward spiral regarding levels of humour, degrading from sarcasm to dry wit to irony. Someday I might find sophistication in humour, resulting in my prompt suicide I promise you.

There were more than just homosexual jokes. Were there any jokes you didn't understand? Because I thought the videos are pretty damn good.

There were more than just homosexual jokes. Were there any jokes you didn't understand? Because I thought the videos are pretty damn good.
There was nothing I saw which I didn't understand dude. Three minutes of gay jokes was more than enough reason for me divert my attention to something far away and remotely worthwhile, so perhaps I didn't get to the bit where he describes string theory through hai ku. Do fill me in.

I liked the MsBukakke. I lol'd so hard. Anyways, I like the game. It's all up to preference. Take me for example; I think FF7 was boring as shit!

I liked the MsBukakke. I lol'd so hard. Anyways, I like the game. It's all up to preference. Take me for example; I think FF7 was boring as shit!

Are you shitting me! The Barrett Dating and the Don Corneo scenes were totally hot and faptastic! :P

(Actually kidding but lol)

I am just gonna sit back and laugh at the fanboys spouting idiotic nonsense in their impotent attempt at a jejune result for a rebuttal and address the one and only post in here since my last reply that is actually sensible.


Joan, I think the point that Tsukanda is trying to make is that a good review generally attempts to show both the good and the bad points of a game, whereas a rant has a clear tendency to focus simply on the bad. For example, a truly neutral review would note FFVIII's excellent music and reasonable card game, as well as the good (for its time) graphics, including the fact that every NPC in the game was individually designed, rather than the base copies used repeatedly in subsequent (and previous) FF games.

Incidentally, I didn't watch the videos, so I don't know for sure if the videos actually mention any of that stuff, but I gather from the way this discussion is going that they didn't. Actually, if someone could outline the main points put forward here, on both sides, that'd be good.

I should add that I am as enthusiastic a critic of FFVIII as any you will find around here, and you need only look through my post history to ascertain that.

I don't think Tsukanda has any point other than to be an idiotic contradictory tit. You can't say that Spoony didn't try to give the game a chance. Like I mentioned earlier, the whole thing starts off neutrally, then starts to slant deep into the negative as more of these flaws showed up.

You make some good points on what he hasn't mentioned, but the series hasn't quite finished yet so he might be planning on mentioning those in future instalments. The exception was the minigame of Triple Triad, he's already covered that and explained extensively why it sucked. (Rules that change constantly, the final challenger being a cheating whore etc) As for individually-designed NPCs, I would argue that it was a waste of resources and the time could have been better spent refining the mechanics to be more balanced and less painfully tedious.

Another point that Spoony failed to mention is the pricing, because lol, everyone pirates. In all seriousness, have you seen the amount of money stores demand for this game? It's twice as expensive as FF7, and FF7 is already ridiculously overpriced as it is. I could buy an NDS with that kind of money.

I think you should go and watch the vids, it shouldn't take long and it would prove entertaining.

I am just gonna sit back and laugh at the fanboys spouting idiotic nonsense in their impotent attempt at a jejune result for a rebuttal and...


I don't think Tsukanda has any point other than to be an idiotic contradictory tit.

o O

Points for trying kid.

FFVIII is a pile of crap for reaons i've outlines numerous times.

Triple Triad is neat though.

I don't think Tsukanda has any point other than to be an idiotic contradictory tit. You can't say that Spoony didn't try to give the game a chance. Like I mentioned earlier, the whole thing starts off neutrally, then starts to slant deep into the negative as more of these flaws showed up.

In order to do a project like these videos, you would have highly likely had to decide upon your arguments and pov beforehand. His 'starting off neutrally' can thus be questioned as to its authenticity-it could just be a smokescreen to convey an illusion of neutrality. ThroneofOminous seemed to confirm that earlier on:


He occasionally mentions good things in a 'I have to at least mention a few of these to cut back on the angry emails I'll receive" sort of way. In fact, I'm pretty sure he started the series by basically saying "I don't think FFVIII is a bad game, but it has a whole load of really dumb flaws". Predominantly it's just him laying into absolutely everything though. Which is funny.

As for Tsukanda, he just went about his argument the wrong way, I think. After all, I don't think he was arguing with the points made by Spoony, rather the tone in which they were presented.

I happen to agree that mindless one-sided commentary is pretty retarded and, to be honest, if (quoted from Tsukanda's previous post) "real gay gay gay gay gay glory hole" is the general tone of the argument then I would probably agree with his assessment of the review.

That is not being contradictory, as I also feel FFVIII was poor by the standards of the series, but feel that its detractors should be able to present their arguments in a logical and reasoned manner instead of falling victim to the same evils of hyperbole and ignorance that fanboys are subject to.


You make some good points on what he hasn't mentioned, but the series hasn't quite finished yet so he might be planning on mentioning those in future instalments. The exception was the minigame of Triple Triad, he's already covered that and explained extensively why it sucked. (Rules that change constantly, the final challenger being a cheating whore etc) As for individually-designed NPCs, I would argue that it was a waste of resources and the time could have been better spent refining the mechanics to be more balanced and less painfully tedious.

In terms of Triple Triad, there is a perfectly good reason for the rule changing between towns-it adds variety to the game and makes it less monotonous. Even if the rules can occasionally be frustrating, I'd rather have something that alters the format every now and then rather than just the same thing repeated in every game.

Also, if you know how to 'use' the Card Queen, you can establish a modicum of control over how the rules are spread, and eventually abolish the rules you don't like. Granted, you can rarely excercise complete control, but if you were allowed to, the game would be far too easy.

As for the 'cheating whore'. I don't know which opponent that is referring to, exactly. Though if as you imply, it is confined to just one opponent, it should not be a huge detriment to the mini-game. After all, I've often defended blitzball on here, yet the initial game against the Luca Goers hands the advantage firmly to the Goers. Does that make the whole game bad? No, it just adds some level of difficulty to the minigame for those with zen-like blitzing abilities (such as my modest self).

Unless this particular opponent is physically impossible to beat, I don't see how it can be considered much of an issue, since we are only talking about one opponent here (I hope).

Finally, as for the NPCs, it's a matter of opinion as to how big of an issue that is, but it cannot be denied that it was something that FFVIII got right and nearly every other FF before and since has gotten wrong, to varying degrees. FFX-2 is the worst offender, as it very often has the same NPC design appear more than once in the same area (and, on one occasion, three times). For those gamers who appreciate such things as graphical detail, that can be quite a turn-off. It doesn't magically make FFVIII a good game, of course, but they deserve props for doing it.


I think you should go and watch the vids, it shouldn't take long and it would prove entertaining.

I can't watch them in university, as the publically-available computers don't have sound output, and I have no laptop or anything. I will, however, watch them when I next visit home, which will be in a few weeks' time.


Another point that Spoony failed to mention is the pricing, because lol, everyone pirates. In all seriousness, have you seen the amount of money stores demand for this game? It's twice as expensive as FF7, and FF7 is already ridiculously overpriced as it is. I could buy an NDS with that kind of money

I recently bought the PC versions of both FFVIII and FFVII in brand new condition for �20 from ebay which is fairly reasonable at �10 each. They are widely available for roughly that price, and used copies can set you back as little as 99p in some places. I don't think it's a huge issue though, as prices will always reflect demand. If people aren't happy with the price, it'll go down. Prices also depend on where you shop. Basically, it isn't something you can really weigh up as a pro or a con in the same way as the game itself because there are many variables.

Can't believe I wrote all this almost in sympathy with FFVIII :shock:

In order to do a project like these videos, you would have highly likely had to decide upon your arguments and pov beforehand. His 'starting off neutrally' can thus be questioned as to its authenticity-it could just be a smokescreen to convey an illusion of neutrality. ThroneofOminous seemed to confirm that earlier on.

It could have gone either way, I personally don't think it matters as the result would have been pretty much the same.


As for Tsukanda, he just went about his argument the wrong way, I think. After all, I don't think he was arguing with the points made by Spoony, rather the tone in which they were presented.

I happen to agree that mindless one-sided commentary is pretty retarded and, to be honest, if (quoted from Tsukanda's previous post) "real gay gay gay gay gay glory hole" is the general tone of the argument then I would probably agree with his assessment of the review.

He admits to not watching the thing in full, so his credibility on the subject is dubious at best. Naturally, his points happen to be in error, as his example is by no means the general tone of the review.


That is not being contradictory, as I also feel FFVIII was poor by the standards of the series, but feel that its detractors should be able to present their arguments in a logical and reasoned manner instead of falling victim to the same evils of hyperbole and ignorance that fanboys are subject to.

Which Spoony did, only with the tongue in cheek humour inserted for comedic effect.


In terms of Triple Triad, there is a perfectly good reason for the rule changing between towns-it adds variety to the game and makes it less monotonous. Even if the rules can occasionally be frustrating, I'd rather have something that alters the format every now and then rather than just the same thing repeated in every game.

Also, if you know how to 'use' the Card Queen, you can establish a modicum of control over how the rules are spread, and eventually abolish the rules you don't like. Granted, you can rarely excercise complete control, but if you were allowed to, the game would be far too easy.

As for the 'cheating whore'. I don't know which opponent that is referring to, exactly. Though if as you imply, it is confined to just one opponent, it should not be a huge detriment to the mini-game. After all, I've often defended blitzball on here, yet the initial game against the Luca Goers hands the advantage firmly to the Goers. Does that make the whole game bad? No, it just adds some level of difficulty to the minigame for those with zen-like blitzing abilities (such as my modest self).

Unless this particular opponent is physically impossible to beat, I don't see how it can be considered much of an issue, since we are only talking about one opponent here (I hope).

You may like the added challenge that it brings when different card players implement different rules that stacked the odds ludicrously in their favour. However, that still has to answer to the argument that it is an element of artificial difficulty and thus a symptom of poor design on their part. Very few gamers would appreciate cheap tricks tossed their way unexpectedly by the game, expecially when it concerns a mini game that players will eventually be forced to play and beat the top player with it in order to attain a device to advance the plot. People bought the game to play Final Fantasy VIII, and they definitely aren't likely to appreciate being shoved into a cardgame, that is just poor form. I am sure most cardgame enthousiasts would disagree, but how much of the FF8 gamer base consists of players who are also interested in card games?


Finally, as for the NPCs, it's a matter of opinion as to how big of an issue that is, but it cannot be denied that it was something that FFVIII got right and nearly every other FF before and since has gotten wrong, to varying degrees. FFX-2 is the worst offender, as it very often has the same NPC design appear more than once in the same area (and, on one occasion, three times). For those gamers who appreciate such things as graphical detail, that can be quite a turn-off. It doesn't magically make FFVIII a good game, of course, but they deserve props for doing it.

It depends on the issue. The individual NPC designs may be a good thing, but it is still a pretty cosmetic element of the game, were they to be cheap on the details and instead, spent the time and resources in refining the gameplay mechanics, the game would have been a lot better. Thus, my reasoning that the dev team choosing to work on individually designed NPCs is an abysmally poor decision.


I can't watch them in university, as the publically-available computers don't have sound output, and I have no laptop or anything. I will, however, watch them when I next visit home, which will be in a few weeks' time.

That sucks. I'll see what I can do to recap the videos in a next post in the near future if someone else hasn't done it already.


I recently bought the PC versions of both FFVIII and FFVII in brand new condition for �20 from ebay which is fairly reasonable at �10 each. They are widely available for roughly that price, and used copies can set you back as little as 99p in some places. I don't think it's a huge issue though, as prices will always reflect demand. If people aren't happy with the price, it'll go down. Prices also depend on where you shop. Basically, it isn't something you can really weigh up as a pro or a con in the same way as the game itself because there are many variables.

I was talking about the original PSX versions. PC ports of console games are almost always dirt cheap. I saw a PSX jap import of FF8 in a display counter the other day and it reads $480 HK, while FF7 and FF9 went for $240 HK and $160 HK respectively.


Can't believe I wrote all this almost in sympathy with FFVIII :shock:

I lold. :D

Very few gamers would appreciate cheap tricks tossed their way unexpectedly by the game, expecially when it concerns a mini game that players will eventually be forced to play and beat the top player with it in order to attain a device to advance the plot. People bought the game to play Final Fantasy VIII, and they definitely aren't likely to appreciate being shoved into a cardgame, that is just poor form.

Now, it's been a long time since I played VIII - I only played it once as well. But I can't ever remember ever being forced to play Triple Triad in order to advance the plot. If I recall, I never even played it once (it's supposed to be the best part of the game according to many). Maybe it's just me being forgetful though.

If I recall, IX was the one that forced you into playing Tetra Master in order to advance the plot during the Treno trip on Disc 3.

(It's been about 4 years since I last played VIII so if it turns out that if you did need to play Triple Triad, please tell me :o)

You had to play Boreball errr blitzball in X too.....

I dont recall you having to play triple triad in VIII to advance.

You had to play Boreball errr blitzball in X too.....

I dont recall you having to play triple triad in VIII to advance.
Aye but you only had to put up with blitzball for one game, your performance never mattered.

RE: VIII, I don't recall that either.


He admits to not watching the thing in full, so his credibility on the subject is dubious at best. Naturally, his points happen to be in error, as his example is by no means the general tone of the review.
If you want to correct me on my observations of that video be my guest, there's a big post you decided to ignore up there. If you can't or won't do that, at the very least I expect to be insulted, lest your reputation improve.

rant-tastic, he over hypes the "faults", and marginalizes the pros.

As opposed to fankid apologetics chocked full of bullshit supposition about Squeenix's intentions with the game?

Also, Spoony wins for channeling Jayne from Firefly in the video with Quistis' introduction. "I'll be in my bunk."

Yes I will say that the fanboys are 10 times worse, and are 100% less humorous, but they don't label it as a review. To me the word "review" should insinuate a bit of decorum. Approach it with fact, not just "lol Gayz". Also they guy played less than 10hrs, and made a review. Not that I'm saying FF VIII is great.

With gags like "I'll be in my bunk" laced throughout his videos, I highly doubt that Spoony meant these to be "serious" reviews in the familiar sense. This is pure speculation, of course, but I'd wager a guess that these vids are a humorous attempt to drive traffic to his website, sort of like Order of the Stick was in the beginning for GiantITP.

Joan, I just skimmed over your last post, and I don't think there's much left to argue about, frankly, since there is either no disagreement, or I am not able to comment due to not having watched these things.

Anyway, I did however notice that you seemed to imply winning at cards was necessary to progress the plot. I can remember that being necessary in FFIX, but not in FFVIII. There is a decent chance it may have simply slipped my mind, I guess, but yeah, feel free to refresh it, if that is the case.

I think many parts of it are pretty funny, but the rant about the draw system is kind of misguided. Fire and Scan are both completely useless spells, at least to get 100 of, so there's no need to waste time drawing them. Also, with the magic refining abilities, you can get most of the good magic by refining items much more easily than finding enemies to draw from.

Other than that, though, I found many of his comments to be pretty humorous.

FF8 holds many memories for me for when it came out and all that. I enjoyed the game very much and to this day it remains a favorite, although I didn't find the junction system to my liking nor the draw system.

But all in all, the review was funny.

I don't agree with it, plus I think this guy had way too many bad days...or something...all that complaining gives me a headache.

Yeah, the review is funny, but this guy is way too harsh, and to put so much effort into it, why not do a positive review of something instead?

For the record, I think VIII is the weakest of the Playstation trilogy, but it's still a good game. The draw and junction system wasn't that great - I prefer to have a permanent source of magic, and using junctioned magic essentially made your character weaker.

Still, good on Square for trying something different in each game.

Yeah, the review is funny, but this guy is way too harsh, and to put so much effort into it, why not do a positive review of something instead?

Negative reviews tend to be quite controversial among die-hard fans. And nothing draws in hits/views like controversy.

Note: This is directed to anyone it applies to and no I didn't watch all the videos because they're really stupid.

Why would someone be so against a game like this? This is exactly the kind of mediocrity that is found from every FF forum/ego maniacs on YouTube and it's overwhelmingly ridiculous.

I hate to break it to you or anyone else, but people actually have their own preferences and opinions for games like they have for everything else. Since YOU or some biased reviewer doesn't like the game, doesn't mean that game is bad, regardless of which "points" you or he thinks he makes.

If you don't like the game be MATURE about it and not post anything about the game it it's own topic, just ignore it. Posting things like this (and someone posting videos like that) shows you're immature and that no one should take you seriously, especially by saying things like cocksuckers (Valerie Valens)......yeah that's original. It shows you're just trying to start arguments with people just to fill your childish egos behind the safety of your PC screen.

I'm not trying to start trouble, I'm trying to make a point and I think I've done that and you can make fun or me all you want by saying my points have flaws, or I'm just a FF8 "nerd" (I actually like all FFs), but the fact of the matter is, no matter how much someone says FF8 is bad (or any other game for that matter), THERE ARE STILL GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT LIKE THE GAME MORE THAN OTHER GAMEs (that's a fact), so what point are you trying to make?

I hate to break it to you or anyone else, but people actually have their own preferences and opinions for videos like they have for everything else. Since YOU or some biased reviewer doesn't like the video, doesn't mean that video is bad, regardless of which "points" you think you make.

If you don't like the video be MATURE about it and not post anything about the video it it's own topic, just ignore it. Posting things like this shows you're immature and that no one should take you seriously. It shows you're just trying to start arguments with people just to fill your childish egos behind the safety of your PC screen.

I hate to break it to you or anyone else, but people actually have their own preferences and opinions for videos like they have for everything else. Since YOU or some biased reviewer doesn't like the video, doesn't mean that video is bad, regardless of which "points" you think you make.

If you don't like the video be MATURE about it and not post anything about the video it it's own topic, just ignore it. Posting things like this shows you're immature and that no one should take you seriously. It shows you're just trying to start arguments with people just to fill your childish egos behind the safety of your PC screen.

Very original. I don't really see what point you're trying to make. Do you think my post was meaningless? Do you think I was biased against those videos? Try actually making a point to what you're saying instead of pliantly copying my post will very little differences.

If you actually noticed, my post wasn't mainly about the videos. It was mainly about people who are so against a simple game that they support mediocre videos like them. People are free to make them and I see why someone would agree with them, but for the most part I believe they're just immaturely bantering about being very bothered by people liking a game they don't like.

Once again, my point is that no matter how many people dislike the game, there will still be people who like it and the most die-hard fans won't give them a second glance because of their personal preferences for the game which most likely wouldn't be changed by them.

Also, I know no matter how many people make videos disliking a certain thing, unfortunately there will still be people who support them to.

You basically said "Respect my opinion and everyone who agrees, and fuck the rest of you who think differently. Oh, and I'm not biased."

You basically said "Respect my opinion and everyone who agrees, and fuck the rest of you who think differently. Oh, and I'm not biased."

Oh, really? How is that? Would you please give examples of how that is true because I don't believe I said anything like that, so I'd really like to know what you mean. Also, I don't think I said that you in particular are biased.

Quote - "Once again, my point is that no matter how many people dislike the game, there will still be people who like it and the most die-hard fans won't give them a second glance because of their personal preferences for the game which most likely wouldn't be changed by them."

What I meant by this was that individual people prefer different things (which everyone I'm sure knows.) Some people might like the Junction System in FF8, while others don't and say it's horrible. Does that mean the Junction System is horrible? No. The game still sold millions of copies during it's first week of release, so how (and many other FFs that match it's buyrate) could it be considered a "failure". That's what I mean. Same for the Battle System in FF10 which I really don't like, but I'm sure a lot of people do like. Since I don't like it, why should I make a video or post explaining how they're wrong and I'm the "genius" with all the "game knowledge" they never asked for? People have different taste in story, game mechanics, characters, and every other element of a game, that's why there are so many different Final Fantasies that people claim are the "best". Saying that it is a fact that a game is bad because it doesn't fit your taste is downright wrong.

Quote - "Also, I know no matter how many people make videos disliking a certain thing, unfortunately there will still be people who support them to."

What I meant by this is that people will always be against certain things and support other people who agree with them. Of course since it's against something I do like, I'm going to be bothered by it, but I'm also annoyed that, especially since the game is so old (and I don't have anything against "old" games) that they still are trying to change peoples minds. What is the point they're trying to make? They don't like the game and other's should agree with them or they don't know what a "real" FF game is? I know games can have flaws in them, but until someone can prove that someone's personal preferences for something are wrong, then I'll always disagree with them EVEN IF they say FF8 is the best.

Now, I didn't watch all the videos (because I don't like them), so I'm sure not all of this applies to him, but I've seen a lot of people on here that this does apply to. Also, I'm sure some of my opinions are flawed, but I'm sure most of it people would agree with (maybe not.)


You basically said "Respect my opinion and everyone who agrees, and fuck the rest of you who think differently."

I think they can fit in that category.

I hate to break it to you or anyone else, but people actually have their own preferences and opinions for videos like they have for everything else. Since YOU or some biased reviewer doesn't like the video, doesn't mean that video is bad, regardless of which "points" you think you make.

If you don't like the video be MATURE about it and not post anything about the video it it's own topic, just ignore it. Posting things like this shows you're immature and that no one should take you seriously. It shows you're just trying to start arguments with people just to fill your childish egos behind the safety of your PC screen.

Seriously, this alone should show you how stupid your post was. You're saying "if you don't like the game, don't rag on it" when anyone with a single brain cell could say "hang on, that could easily be applied to the video you bitched about!" What kind of idiot tries to berate something THEN say "if you don't like something, don't berate it" AND THEN say "I am not biased.


Now, I didn't watch all the videos (because I don't like them), so I'm sure not all of this applies to him, but I've seen a lot of people on here that this does apply to.

Then, your posts are nothing but bullshit, please know what the fuck you're talking about before you even try to complain about it.


I think they can fit in that category.

no.

Oh, really? How is that? Would you please give examples of how that is true because I don't believe I said anything like that, so I'd really like to know what you mean.

It was you in a nutshell.




What I meant by this was that individual people prefer different things (which everyone I'm sure knows.) Some people might like the Junction System in FF8, while others don't and say it's horrible. Does that mean the Junction System is horrible? No. The game still sold millions of copies during it's first week of release, so how (and many other FFs that match it's buyrate) could it be considered a "failure". That's what I mean. Same for the Battle System in FF10 which I really don't like, but I'm sure a lot of people do like. Since I don't like it, why should I make a video or post explaining how they're wrong and I'm the "genius" with all the "game knowledge" they never asked for? People have different taste in story, game mechanics, characters, and every other element of a game, that's why there are so many different Final Fantasies that people claim are the "best". Saying that it is a fact that a game is bad because it doesn't fit your taste is downright wrong.

A game selling well =/= a good game. It sold millions because it's a popular franchise.

This probably has a lot of typos lol...and yes it's really long again. But I'm so stupid it's not even relevant so just skip over all my post lol.

Good job. I applaud someone who finally gives clean cut reasons for their arguments on here (or at least semi-clean.) If you read more then you'll see that I said I didn't watch all the videos (I did however watch the 1st and 2nd), but this wasn't only directed towards them. Maybe, I did go overboard by making it look like it was only directed towards it (happy?), I never said I was a genius like you (sarcasm?). You have around 4,000 post so I'm sure you've seen people on here that fit into this category, regardless if you disagree with what else I've said or think it's "bullshit"(?).

My point was that people who dislike a simple game should ignore it and move on (but I of course know that will never happen because I'm so "stupid".) Why try to explain to people that it's wrong? I'm sure no one's favorite FF choice was changed by it. So what's the point? The point is that you don't like it, so we should all listen to you because you OBVIOUSLY know what you're talking about because you work for Square Enix and have created hundreds of best selling games that have clearly surpassed FF?

I know this might do me in people so feel free to quote it and say how "stupid" or "biased" I am or maybe I'm "not worth your time" because I'm so "stupid" and "biased"?: People with open minds can see that videos like that shouldn't even be notable because of what I've said (which I don't feel like re-typing).

I'm sure there's some more "geniuses" on here that will definitely prove me "wrong" with their incredible amazing "logic" that will make me cry some more.

(I'm gonna turn immature for a sec.) I'm sure you wanted a response like this, so if it makes everyone happy then......you're completely right, it's so obviously that I'm the dumbest person on here who has no idea what he's talking about...oh I forgot....bullshit, damn, stupid, retard......ok, I'm done.

I'm kind of tired so I'm sure this all is completely "wrong". (It might've been wrong even if I wasn't tired lol) <----let me knew if that's sarcasm again.

For those of you who are awaiting new installments in this series, it could still be some time before any new ones are released:

http://spoonyexperiment.com/forum/index.php?topic=2237.msg48838#msg48838

For those who don't feel like signing up to Spoony's forum:


Movie recaps may be a way off, as work is consuming most of my time right now and I don't have nearly as much time for personal projects as I used to. I have started planning out a few game reviews, finally getting some use out of the delightful donated SegaCD I received a while back. I'd really like to rip into Prize Fighter, Sewer Shark, and a copy of Bram Stoker's Dracula. I also have a Barbie game on the Genesis I've dared myself to endure. I'm also bowing to fan pressure and have started to record more footage for Final Fantasy 8 (which has a working title of "This Shit Is Getting Out of Hand").

Just so you understand my resistance to making more of the FF8 reviews, it's because I really do hate the game that badly, and as a bad RPG it takes a LONG time to play, there are no cheats to flip through the story quickly, and frankly I've voiced my biggest complaints already. The drawing/linking system and the crummy Triple Triad card game were especially heinous, and the gunblade is stupid. True, there's a lot of fun to be had just picking apart the game's loony story and its weird characterizations, but that requires me to play the whole thing. It stinks. I suppose I could just swipe footage from YouTube-- it's what I did for most of the card battling scenes-- but a lot of the best jokes come from my tinkering with the names.

Anyway, the other games don't take nearly as much time to play. FF8 is a slow, painful experience that just makes me feel dirty and depressed when I've finished. It's like porking Morguerat's ex-wife.

My point was that people who dislike a simple game should ignore it and move on (but I of course know that will never happen because I'm so "stupid".)

And I was merely pointing out how hypocritical you are for griping about the videos and then turning around and saying that folks who don't like the game should ignore it. Swami hit the nail on the head; you want your opinion to be respected, but anybody who disagrees with you shouldn't be voicing theirs.

This probably has a lot of typos lol...and yes it's really long again. But I'm so stupid it's not even relevant so just skip over all my post lol.

In general, when people make fun of you on a message board it's more effective simply to ignore it and present logical arguments. Essentially, show us why you aren't stupid, and don't try to lampoon someone for namecalling. People on this forum have potty mouths; taking it personally is the worst thing you can do.


Good job. I applaud someone who finally gives clean cut reasons for their arguments on here (or at least semi-clean.)

Careful with your tone. You sound much too high and mighty about your statements, almost as though you are far superior in oration to the rest of the shriners. I know you don't really think this about yourself, but you make it seem that way.


If you read more then you'll see that I said I didn't watch all the videos (I did however watch the 1st and 2nd), but this wasn't only directed towards them.

In general I find the "you didn't watch it all the way through so you can't say anything about it" argument to be rather weak, and I agree that you aren't really criticizing the videos themselves but the motivation behind them. I'll get to that part in a little bit.


Maybe, I did go overboard by making it look like it was only directed towards it (happy?), I never said I was a genius like you (sarcasm?). You have around 4,000 post so I'm sure you've seen people on here that fit into this category, regardless if you disagree with what else I've said or think it's "bullshit"(?).

Again, let it go. If you simply ignore the insults, nobody notices them, but when you respond to them people tend to make judgments about you.


My point was that people who dislike a simple game should ignore it and move on

Why? What does it hurt for people to criticize the game in a Youtube video? And anyway, the purpose of the videos is clearly for the purpose of humour; do you think he's trying to convince fans of the game to change their mind about its quality? I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't his purpose.


(but I of course know that will never happen because I'm so "stupid".)

You're really overdoing it at this point.


Why try to explain to people that it's wrong? I'm sure no one's favorite FF choice was changed by it. So what's the point? The point is that you don't like it, so we should all listen to you because you OBVIOUSLY know what you're talking about because you work for Square Enix and have created hundreds of best selling games that have clearly surpassed FF?

Again, he was just trying to make people laugh by making fun of the game. Some of his points are valid, some aren't, but that's not really what he's going for.


I know this might do me in people so feel free to quote it and say how "stupid" or "biased" I am or maybe I'm "not worth your time" because I'm so "stupid" and "biased"?: People with open minds can see that videos like that shouldn't even be notable because of what I've said (which I don't feel like re-typing).

If anything, you aren't worth our time because you're some random person on the internet that we don't know anything about. I'm trying to give you a few posting tips because you aren't completely worthless (for many of the new shriners, however, this is sadly not the case). I have quite an open mind, and I say that I enjoy FFVIII despite its flaws, but there are quite a few of them. My opinion is that FFVIII and FFVII are sub-par FF games in the execution of their plot and gameplay, but that's a completely different discussion that belongs in other threads.


I'm sure there's some more "geniuses" on here that will definitely prove me "wrong" with their incredible amazing "logic" that will make me cry some more.

Seriously though, don't do this. It makes it look like the person who called you stupid is right.


(I'm gonna turn immature for a sec.) I'm sure you wanted a response like this, so if it makes everyone happy then......you're completely right, it's so obviously that I'm the dumbest person on here who has no idea what he's talking about...oh I forgot....bullshit, damn, stupid, retard......ok, I'm done.

Alright, who the hell do you think you are, James Joyce? No stream of consciousness posts here (outside of General Discussion).


I'm kind of tired so I'm sure this all is completely "wrong". (It might've been wrong even if I wasn't tired lol) <----let me knew if that's sarcasm again.

Sarcastic self-deprecation isn't funny. Just letting you know that.

FF1WithAllThieves, what's the point? Nothing you say will get through his/her skull.

This probably has a lot of typos lol...and yes it's really long again. But I'm so stupid it's not even relevant so just skip over all my post lol.

Good job. I applaud someone who finally gives clean cut reasons for their arguments on here (or at least semi-clean.) If you read more then you'll see that I said I didn't watch all the videos (I did however watch the 1st and 2nd), but this wasn't only directed towards them. Maybe, I did go overboard by making it look like it was only directed towards it (happy?), I never said I was a genius like you (sarcasm?). You have around 4,000 post so I'm sure you've seen people on here that fit into this category, regardless if you disagree with what else I've said or think it's "bullshit"(?).

My point was that people who dislike a simple game should ignore it and move on (but I of course know that will never happen because I'm so "stupid".) Why try to explain to people that it's wrong? I'm sure no one's favorite FF choice was changed by it. So what's the point? The point is that you don't like it, so we should all listen to you because you OBVIOUSLY know what you're talking about because you work for Square Enix and have created hundreds of best selling games that have clearly surpassed FF?

I know this might do me in people so feel free to quote it and say how "stupid" or "biased" I am or maybe I'm "not worth your time" because I'm so "stupid" and "biased"?: People with open minds can see that videos like that shouldn't even be notable because of what I've said (which I don't feel like re-typing).

I'm sure there's some more "geniuses" on here that will definitely prove me "wrong" with their incredible amazing "logic" that will make me cry some more.

(I'm gonna turn immature for a sec.) I'm sure you wanted a response like this, so if it makes everyone happy then......you're completely right, it's so obviously that I'm the dumbest person on here who has no idea what he's talking about...oh I forgot....bullshit, damn, stupid, retard......ok, I'm done.

I'm kind of tired so I'm sure this all is completely "wrong". (It might've been wrong even if I wasn't tired lol) <----let me knew if that's sarcasm again.


cunt.

FF1WithAllThieves, what's the point? Nothing you say will get through his/her skull.

That's probably not true. And anyway, I figure he deserves a chance to see reason before he gets completely bombarded like most noobs do.

Let's see their rebuttal to TM's ever-so-friendly "cunt"

I`ve seen it. And actually i`ve not been touched by any of his arguments about the game. I know what I agree with, I know what I disagree with, and if you can`t normally admit someone`s offensive opinion about your beloved game, you should think about the way you love it again.